Eminem's Unintentional Curse on Hip Hop
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What happens when a beloved legend inspires a legion of artists who are generally loathed by Hip Hop? That’s the increasingly prevalent question when it comes to the one and only Marshall Mathers.
He’s undoubtedly one of the most talented MC’s and sharpest wordsmiths to ever step foot into a recording booth, with his wizardly wordplay, unparalleled emotional vulnerability, and demented sense of humor. But Eminem’s once-cemented place in the GOAT conversation has been questioned in the past few years, partially for his 2017 album Revival, which was so universally despised that he spent his entire follow-up album Kamikaze sifting through the rubble of backlash.
But Em’s legacy isn’t being double-checked primarily for his work, contrary to what his harshest critics say. Eminem’s status in rap history is in danger because of the generation of rappers Eminem has inspired, who are at best, cheesy and eye-rolling, and at worst, an incredibly obnoxious plague on the culture.
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"The Real Slim Shady" was a premonition, not a parody, and its one that came true.
Oh damn. Didn't think of it that way!!!
and "Stan", and "Just Like Me", and "White America", and
Have you seen the culture of hip hop these days? They are all lean clones of eachother
Bruh...😆
Facts! I just thought about that after this video 🤯
“And theres a million of us just like me who cuss like me, who just don't give a fuck like me Who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me And just might be the next best thing, but not quite me!”
-Eminem, 2000
Back when Eminem was actually a beast and not trash.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff you’re drinking the kool-aid
@@jaywilliams6250 Em sucks now
@@DontDrinkthatstuff you prolly a cool guy 👍🏼
@@aim2mobile997 Thanks
You got to feel bad for Eminem being such a lover of hip hop and the culture and everything behind it to have a fan base that completely disregards all of that.
I don’t feel bad he knows where he stands and so do hip hop legends!
For real it’s super wack. They real go against everything he stands for.
It’s ironic that most of his fans refuse to listen to other rappers mainly because they’re bIack, they’ll always say something stupid and absurd like “eminem raps about his life, he doesn’t rap about drugs, b*tches, hoes, or money” lmmaaoo, have they not listened to his earlier stuff in the 90’s??? The ironic thing is, eminem is probably 10x more controversial than most black rappers out there, “Slap hips, support domestic violence
Beat your b*tches ass while your kids stare in silence” and it’s ironic how Tom MacDonald heavily idolizes Eminem but criticize rap and “black” culture for promoting gang violence. The irony.
@@marioncarbonell6047 I have never heard someone who likes eminem say they wont listen to black artist. What the fuck are you on?
@@marioncarbonell6047 bingo! I’ve always said this. Especially the “Eminem is more controversial with his subject matter than most black rappers part”.
Eminem to Dax : “That’s the type of thing make me not wanna meet each other.”
underrated comment lmao
And you know Em is intentionally avoiding Dax, because Em will literally reach out and shout out extremely skilled/talented/original artists who only get like 2,000 views per video. Em even shouted out RJ Payne the other day.
@@musicthemusicalperson4316 Props for Eminem for doing that, Dax is a shitty person
Facts
@@musicthemusicalperson4316 tbh Dax is more influenced by Tupac and technine if you ask me he barely sounds like Em
one of the things i respect most of Em is that he's absolutely loyal to the culture he grew up in. Nearly every single recent track of his has to mention Eric B and Ramkin as his inspirations, and speak with great nostalgia of what the game was back in the day. You listen to him in interviews and you get the sense that he's at heart a massive hiphop nerd lmao
Yeah, but it's clear he has a bias for what he grew up on, not really showing much passion or love for anything that was released after himself and Fif.
@jalazel6447 Cap. He shouts out new rappers he respects, such as Kendrick, Big Sean, Logic, J Cole, Cordae, Joyner Lucas etc.
@@nasirthesenatejohnson6935 "Big Sean, logic, j Cole, Cordae, Joyner" 😂 From 7 years ago? He shouts out the most popular rappers, not the most talented or even the most lyrical. The man is disconnected 😭
@@jalazel6447 So he's obligated to only like underground rappers? I don't see your point
@@nasirthesenatejohnson6935His love for Hip-hop as a whole isn't the same as his love for Rapping. That his love for Hip-hop only really exists within a certain era, he listens to some of the wackest underground 80s shit and loves it - He doesn't dig like that for modern Hip-hop, anyone calling themselves a Hip-hop head when your knowledge of the genre doesn't extend past 2004 is laughable. He isn't involved in the culture by choice, which is okay.
My ex is a local rapper who is an Eminem/Marilyn Manson facsimile. He is a blight on his craft and the world. The unspoken part of "would the real slim shady please stand up" is "now the rest of you sit tf down"
Yet you dated him so you can't say anything lol
@@tonyshipps6179 her dating him is irrelevant. She's just stating a fact about who he was. I doubt she dated him because of his rap style lol.
Marilyn Manson and Eminem in the same sentence is disgusting lmao
@puffball4484 I liked him before I heard his music and his music ultimately caused us falling out
@greendoritoman2464 a lottt of people like both artists, you'd be surprised
Eminem’s existence single handedly gave us tom macdonald 💀. A curse fr
😂
The channel even liked it
People will forget the clones in a few years, it doesn’t put his 🐐 status in question, I think that’s a stretch
now if only Em could diss him 😂
Tom doesn’t have lyrical venom?
It's genuinely tragic, Em truly loves hip hop, he's been a student and lover of it his whole career. So imagine knowing your legacy on the culture is the most unliked, annoying, corny strain of modern rappers. He already gets enough shit in his own right, and on top of that he gets shit for the next gen rappers who sound like him. Its fucked up man, he just wants to rhyme words and wear beanie caps, let him live 😂
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I mean he did created the people who made the song “death to mumble rappers” which is as cringe as it sounds 💀
🤣💀
The fact he inspired at least lyrical talent over mumble rap and mumble rap is bigger for some god awful reason is an even bigger red flag in the fans. Lotta dumbed down people out there obviously
@@brandygammon9784 rather listen to mumble rap than hibity hobity rap
I've been saying for a while that Eminem's FANS are primarily why he receives so much hate... I'm a Em fan myself, but I'm also a true hip hop head. Most Em fans just aren't real hip hop fans but they VIGOROUSLY express strong opinions about what good hip hop is and Em's place in the culture constantly
Nailed it.
Funny how these types of comments only have 10 likes and the "Eminem is the GOAT no matter what black people think" gets 850 likes.
@@jalazel6447 some random white guy be like: Eminem and Tom McDonald are the Goats, these other rappers are dumb with their bitches
Likes - 850
Replies be like - I'm a 69 year old retired Vietnam war veteran with my dick amputated and I relate to Tom McDonald!
bro you have 69 likes rn
Stans are the most disgusting fans ever to exist. I don’t fw Em becuase of them and he KNOWS what they are but he don’t say sh*t about it. Nah F Eminem
Shiii I think we need to talk about Wayne's uninentional curse
I have this exact video coming out next week 🤫
for sure
The baby voice for sure
@COMBAT GARDENER I think most rap fans are. The problem is the cringe lyrical miracle rap fanbase are usually the type to completely overlook the thousands of artists making incredible pieces of writing and art, while simultaneously uplifting largely meaningless strings of multisyllabic rhyme schemes with little to no clever writing or wordplay or meaning. I mean, if you asked an Eminem fan about someone like Nostrum Grocers, Qwelle Chris, Rap Ferreira, Cambatta, Greydon Square, etc they'd look at you like a deer looking at headlights. Lol
@@musicthemusicalperson4316 Cambatta is my guy. I live in Tampa and have seen him preform here several times. Underrated as fuck lyrics
My first hip hop album was the Eminem Show. I was instantly an Eminem fan and bought the Marshall Mathers LP, and later the Slim Shady LP. Thru those albums I learned the names of Dr. Dre, Snoop, Nate Dogg, etc. My next album was Get Rich or Die Trying. After that I stumbled upon All Eyez on Me at the record store, got me into 2Pac, eventually got me into the first Death Row albums, and even eventually got me to love P-Funk and know more about that than any other band or music. I didn't listen to Em much after that, but if it weren't for his music I wouldn't have fallen down the hip hop rabbit hole that was amazing to discover. He was a good influence for me
Best comment on here... Salute..
Yeah I’d have never found Bog daddy kane, Jurassic 5, fucking naughty by nature other than what my cousin had burned on CDs. I was mostly rock when I was a kid but I met my hip hop head friend in 8th grade and from there we started sharing immortal technique, diabolical, aotp. Now I’m just a fan of mostly everything. Some lil baby, that “abcde fuck you” song or whatever, cyndi lauper, a dying fetus. So I just like the arguments and videos for that other perspective. Because honestly I could listen to 2000s shit forever. Em, POD, xzibit was so good back then, static x. That era is just a gem to me.
You can always figure out what an eminem fan knows. I know people learned about treach cause they saw how hyped eminem was in that art of rap scene 😂
Same bro. Em got me into Rap and HipHop as a 10 yo suburban kid. His constant name dropping opened the door to a whole new world. He does it on purpose to this day and no matter how much I dislike his newer stuff, I'll always respect his love and dedication for the culture and art.
Same. I was in elementary school when The Eminem Show came out and it sparked my love of rap.
The thing is Eminem as a "white" rapper in a black dominated genre made such a huge impact , that every "white" rapper that comes next , will always be called a wannabe Eminem , its just Eminem can never be replaced , because he will be just that one rare gem forever.
Can't recall Mac Miller ever being called an Eminem wannabe.
@@jalazel6447 You named one guy and thought you did something.
@@jalazel6447😂😂😂😂but as a huge fraud...mr.wisdom🥴💩🙈racists real dumn
@@raymonds7492 Jack Harlow. Logic. EP. Rugged. Malcomore 😂
@@raymonds7492yeat
He changed his rapping style due to going sober. He had to relearn how to rap. Thats what he and others have said. Thats why relapse and beyond sounds so different from the work before encore. Also he genuinely lived what he talked about and more importantly is from a different generation. Back then you had to be able to battle to be considered elite. As you traveled, dudes from other cities would challenge you. Add the fact he was around living legends early in his career, you get a once in a lifetime person. Same thing goes for 50. It was special circumstances that cant be recreated.
It's like coming back from the fuckin dead....
I see what you’re saying but adjust might be a better word than relearn. Like you said, getting sober/richer/older and just past his wave. But still enjoys making music that millions of ppl will listen to good or bad. It’s what it’s all about
You start to cater to your fan base instead of the rest of world. But Eminem got so big that everyone has to choose a line to stand on for some reason. Idk
More like cloned
Bruh there are rappers that are older than Eminem that still make better music then he does. Stop w the excuses
Em rapping fast is like 1% of his entire discography. Unless we are skewing the definition of fast rap.
Exactly! I'm like don't they know this man is the last flow bender and the last word bender? 😂
@@forbiddenbox and the last bender
@@forbiddenbox no and no. Horrible take
His fast rap coincides with social media. People are too lazy to find out more about his work
Exactly people only hear rap god and Godzilla and assume all he does is rap fast and rhyme words
eminem did rap fast back in '95 with a track called biterphobia he was still finding his flow back then
True
Yeah, but that wasn't his "style" back then. Listen to the 'Infinite' album from 96...that was his inherent style
22 years later & "All you other Slim Shadys, are just imitating" really hits different now.
What’s funny is that the “lyrical miracle” joke line is from Em’s BET cypher where he mocks this sort of rapping...
but em doesn't do that
He has said that back in 99 and he didn't make it up its been a hip hop thing for a while. I think the first time it was said was like 93
@@mrstrangeworld5977 Nobody's saying he did lol down boy I know you love him
Oooh I’ve been thinking that was the Westwood freestyle but yeah that’s when slaughterhouse was there.
@@mrstrangeworld5977 he says “lyrical miracle individual in your swimming pool” I’m pretty sure and they all get fake hype and then he starts rapping so idk if i understood you wrong but he did do that.
NF is vastly underrated. His lyrics are personal to him, his story telling can paint pictures, he can portray emotion to the listener, uniquely articulate the processes of his mind and characteristics he has identified as problematic, and has a lot of songs about relationship problems/ideals.
He is more than an Eminem clone and idk why the narrator would point out how many rappers used to bite Em hard and then single out NF as the worst imitator. I've listened to Tom McDonald, Mac Lethal, Token, Hopsin, Joyner and have really liked songs by all of them but Joyner and NF are ones I go back to still (with a few Hopsin tracks) because of their lyrics having a message and the subject material being relatable.
NF has some tracks with heavy emotional depth, Eminem can get you there with his anger or his love for his daughter"s"...but as a Stan that is very familiar with Em's entire discography myself, you just won't find anything of his anywhere near the sadness and grief that NF's "How Could You Leave Us?" buries you under when you hear it. He also showed fantastic creativity and storytelling in "Story" which further exemplifies his unique excellence in visual storytelling that he displays in nearly every one of his videos.
Comedians share the same phenomenon of sounding like other performers in their industry and many will talk about beginning their careers with cadence and delivery that they would start to notice was similar to the way the guys that they idolized, which (once seen, can't be unseen) forced them to find their own voices.
They are some of the meanest, insulting, ball busting, deviants that are able to take one look at a person and can dissect them so thoroughly enough to identify their deepest insecurities, often tearing into hecklers egos with ease and shaming them in front of the audience .
They save the funniest and most brutal for roasting fellow Comedians that they consider close friends.
Yet, they all give each other much more benefit of the doubt when it comes to directly imitating someone purposefully or joke stealing which is the capital murder of comedy...
I said all that to say, maybe NF has tracks in which he appeared to be attempting to sound and look like Em (the fashion of someone who you idolized and inspired you will be more appealing to you just because they are wearing it I.E. white tee's, baggy blue jeans, and blonde hair🤔) but, his cadences, topics, emotional vibe and vulnerability (like admitting to needing therapy or having self-esteem/depression issues) don't resemble Eminem AT ALL!!🤷♂️ He has flow patterns that can sound a lot like Em here and there, but come the fuck on, Eminem has used so many different delivery methods and rhyme patterns that trying to avoid sounding similar would be impossible.
NF deserves more respect, or at the least, less hate.💯
I don't know if I'd say he's underrated, but it also seems to me that a lot of the hate directed towards him is unwarranted and baseless. You made some great points about how he sets himself apart and your passion inspires me to check out more of NF's work
@@Wuprrr NF is solid. not in my top 10, but he's a class act of an artist
Exactly bruhhh, Em has a large discography which makes it possible that he has nearly touched on every flow, delivery pattern and rhyme scheme there is! It’s impossible to not sound similar when trying to rap any fast flow
I mean, how can NF have radio hits like Lie and If you Want Love and they still claim he's an eminem clone?
I believe they put NF on this list & how they put him on this list because he said it himself that he copies a lot of what ‘‘em does (specifically recovery ‘em). He blatantly stated that he copies Eminem religiously. His music also speaks on that matter without his statement too. My friend was a big fan of NF & showed me an album of his & at first I saw potential. However, that album was already a few years old & I continued to listen to his other material & they all literally sound the same or are at least difficult to tell apart. The potential I saw at first was him being able to have a nice steady flow or cadence. You can definitely feel the emotion that he put within his work almost right away. However, when the rest of your work long after continues that whole entire subject matter and delivery, it gets old and at the end of the day just sounds like a dude crying and complaining about the same stuff over and over again. It gets old and instead of inspiring and relatable It gets redundant and eye rolling. NF‘s biggest problem is similar to Hopsin‘s problem: They have all the potential to grow, and all the potential that they use they instead stick with the same stuff because it worked the first time. If you want your craft to grow and inspire more and more people you yourself need to want to grow and evolve.
The fast rap Eminem spits is so high quality. That's the difference between him and the copies. Eminem throws bars in those fast raps. And he sounds good. And he doesn't do that for entirety of songs he goes up and down , slow and fast.
If we’re being objective here the faster he goes the more he sacrifices lyrical ability and stuff like that is blatantly shown in rap god and godzilla
There was definitely some good bars in the fast verse of Godzilla. I agree with you on rap god although I think at that time of mmlp2 Em wasn’t all in to punchline rap yet. That didn’t really pickup until maybe revival or kamikaze
@@Youngsickbacchus Lyrical ability is only a part of rapping. Technical skill ( fast rapping included) is another part of rapping. Rapping fast is not a bunch of words thrown together randomly that are accelerated in a high speed. They have to rhyme constantly and they have to be constructed in a way that they flow smoothly when rapped in a high speed.
@@ImxMiLLzx Apparently you have not heard of Evil Twin.
For every 1 Em clone, there's 10 clones of mumble rap.
@DREW lone The one you refer to in your first sentence...
@DREW lone talent > lit. but that just my view.
“Mumble rappers” 🤓🤓
Bro I can’t understand shit Kodak says tbh
I don’t, I tried but it just doesn’t sound good to me. I like Future and some other “mumble” rappers but Kodak ain’t it for me.
Put it this way Eminem made most people change genres. I was in high school when he came out. Everyone was listening to Rock and grunge. Everyone did a complete 180
Because he’s white and therefore relatable to the masses, he’s like Elvis for Rock or Miley Cyrus for twerking. Except Eminem and Elvis were good at it.
That’s exactly what happened. Eminem basically made it socially acceptable for white kids to really listen & be into rap & hip hop.
It’s wild how Eminem inspired so many of these lyrical miracle rappers when he basically birthed the term and was already makin fun of rappers who do that in the slaughterhouse cypher on the bet hip hop awards. Either way great video once again.
-T.
How did he make fun of lyrical rappers? You aren't very bright
Most in the videos thumbnail are rappers Eminem have praised. I don't even know why Tech N9ne is even there since they came around same time but Em took Joyner on a song and have given props to Hopsin in lyrics, have a song with Logic etc.
@@Ge0rge_0rwell He's not dissing lyrical rappers. He disses "Lyrical miracle" rappers, which are basically guys that mostly just rap fast to rap fast with no substance or clever writing. The term "Lyrical Miracle" was popularized by Eminem in his BET cypher, where he disses "lyrical miracle" rappers.
He didn't birth the term shock g did on "same song". Its been used since the 80s or 90s.
@@Ge0rge_0rwell
Dude watch the beginning of his verse in that cypher....
"Lyrical miracle spiritual individual criminal subliminal in your swimming pool "
Yeah he did
I would say that the speed of Eminem's verse only played a small part in what made his verse in Forever amazing. If he rapped like he did on that song for an entire album that would be insanity.
I think Rap God was the real changer when we're talking about the lyrical spiritual stereotype
Rap God was dope.
@@yokaigypsy okay?
Rap god is actually lyrically sound and has the message of attacking the critics, the issue is that these clones copy ems style but don’t have the technical capability to keep up with it
@@sccdddf1595 id say at least half of his songs are about those topics
@@tofuteh2348 huge exaggeration, Rap god was one of the only songs that mentioned critics in the album
token had a good moment with his new album, 'pink is better.' it has more of a focus on beats and storytelling and has a consistent message. I hope he keeps branching out and developing his style to where he can be seen under a light of respect rather than ridicule.
Idk Token peaked with exception and happiness. He even was able to Collab with Tech and fumbled the bag by doing a song called TH-cam rapper with someone who isn't a TH-cam rapper. He should've picked a better concept
I could listen to Em and J Cole all day and not get bored. They both know how to mix it up instrumentally with the beats as well as the lyrical subjects and delivery on the mic.
Never passing the aux to you.
@@BT--tw3oq fr😂😂😂
Bruh you know you're lying
Would be more realistic if you just said old Eminem
Just say the Old Em 🌚
"There's a million others rappers just like me
Who cuss like me
Just don't give a f*** like me
Who walk, talk and act like me.
They just might be the next best thing but not quite me."
Em predicted this s*** decades ago
I can't lie and say that I used to be a "Lyrical Miracle" kinda guy. I used to trash on mumble and Gangster rap, mostly because of my mom, while only really listening to Eminem. However, I started listening to more rap and can safely say that I grew to love all kinds of rap, and when writing my own rap, I take from Eminem's style of writing lyrics and phrasing, moreso than the fast rap. I focused more on slowing down my rap style, focusing on pronouncing and articulating words, and focusing on the lyrics and making every word have meaning, like Eminem does and his pretenders don't/
Another Eminem curse was alluded to by Conway - that Em’s fans only listen to him or care about him. As an Eminem fan myself I find that so annoying and an unfair stereotype. I’ve been listening to HipHop for 30 years and literally grew up listening to all the legends that inspired Em. Most of the Eminem fans that I know are the same.
That isn't em fans that's toxic em stans that don't listen to anything else
@@mrstrangeworld5977 facts, but ppl don’t make that distinction
@@Kiki-xx3fj There is a large portion of Eminem’s fanbase that don’t listen to hiphop in it’s entirety and some say that they like Eminem because “he isn’t a thug” like Em wasn’t talking about the same stuff the others were.
@@imanigordon6803 lol, his fan base is millions of ppl. You can’t make generalizations like that. He literally has one of the biggest fan bases in music, not just in HipHop. It’s because it’s so big and diverse that you get comments like the example you gave.
@@Kiki-xx3fj He has a big fanbase but we are not going to act like the main chunk is white folks specifically from Midwestern areas or Beverly Hills type of areas who don’t consume hiphop. There needs to be an honest discussion of what Eminem said in his song white America where he clearly says if he wasn’t white folks wouldn’t have flocked to him. His whiteness played a huge favor into his fame.
The last part should’ve been, just because you’re good at rap doesn’t mean you make good music
nah, his version was way better
Same goes for just because you make "good music" that doesn't mean you can rap or be talented further than selecting a good beat. Even then the props primarily goes to the producers.
@@LowkeyTijuana “can rap” is very subjective tho depending on the context of what that artist is bringing to the table that makes people say “Yo such and such makes good music” you feel me?
Also it doesn’t necessarily just goes to the producer because at the end of the day you still need that piece to finish the puzzle
Yes but if you're a hip hop fan that's what you enjoy
This
Token used to be a part of that category, but in the past 2 to 3 years, he's really stepped out of it. He actually has credited people like Future (who would be considered mumble rapper) as being one of the best lyricists. I feel like Token has evolved the most and is not really a corny rapper anymore
Ehhh
Token is a fuckin beast
Token dumb as fuck if he thinks thugger is lyrical lmao 😂
@Calvin Sledge being a great lyricist doesn't mean you have to be lyrical
@@YungSlink He's neither
I want to point out Twista another fast spitter, he's the fastest spitter of all times but yet he actually rapped about something of substance all while rapping at that type of speed and plus he's versatile so he could rap it either way you want to go with it. You can understand about every rhyme he said and he had a nice lil taste of commercial success with an hand full of hits under his belt. Twista is real deal underrated. So rapping fast miracle lyrical bars is cute an all it has its space but at some point everyone doesn't want to hear that all the time. Rapping rhymes of substance is just as important if not the most important because that can bring the emotion to rap in relation to what people feel and connect too. All of this have to be balanced every song should be for every mood.
Nah tech 9 have twista beat
@@wyntahb3968 Tech is raw I like Tech. Tech and Twista have rapped together on tracks. But it's all subjective on who got who beat but both make some dope ass music.
17 year old white girls listen to Twista,
@@deontaymarshall5704 Imagine actually bringing up Twista's wack ass. Twista is absolute trash and always was.
@@wyntahb3968 bro get tf outa here
Just like Wayne inspired some rappers who are good and bad. Eminem did the same thing, I wouldn't say it's Eminem fault because Kendrick, Cole, Big Sean, Tyler, Xxxtentacion and a plethora of others had the skill to take it to the next level.
Eminem didn’t inspire them .. they just say that so white fans can give them money 😂😂😂
@@lilshsjsj1904 you do realize most of the people at any rappers concerts are indeed... white. Saying you're inspired by somebody doesn't guarantee you "money" you have to actually be good at what you do
@@jayintee it all comes down to money bro .. it’s not authentic ... when they’re done saying that bullshit and drive off none of them are playing em
Tyler inspired by ye
Kendrick got more inspiration from Wayne then Eminem and Kendrick got inspiration from soul music and gospel too whereas Eminem has none of that. but I did heard some Em in his Control verse for sure.
He inspired nearly all new rappers like NF. Nf is full of substance, I need him to pop out a new album
It’s coming brother
stop the cap
I see the influence in NF's music, but please don't downplay NF's message or fan base. He literally has his own unique style. Although he started out sounding like Eminem, he has evolved over time to his own sound, just like J. Cole and Kendrick did.
Man just said "Taylor Swift is full of substance"
@@davethangjam you probably can’t name more than 3 NF songs without google he’s a great rapper but don’t even bother checking him out if your going into something expecting it to be a copy of someone even if it isn’t you will see the similarity’s
9:28 “All I listened to for 4 years straight was Eminem.” That tells you all you need to know about these clones.
Well same thing can go to a fan that only listens to lil Uzi and carti. There people that listen to only 1 artist or maybe 2 more with the same music style
@@yungtommybeats3226 Carti and Uzi don’t have the same style .. you don’t know a goddamn thing
@@yungtommybeats3226 There isn’t an epidemic of Uzi clones tho
@@ggallintedtalk yes they do
@@ggallintedtalk they have kinda similar styles. Both being produced by Pierre
"And there's a million others just like me
Who cuss like me, who just don't give a fuck like me
Who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me
And just might be, the next best thing, but not quite me"
- Real Slim Shady
They’re not even the next next thing lol
Nothing will ever match eminems 1999-2002 run of albums
I know a lot of people who are fans of NF and I've definitely told them on many accounts that the guy is a copy and paste version of Eminem with the profanity, to which I received outrage. The Eminem curse sucks because it's not like he set out to make people want to rap like him and truly was original in his own approach, but he's definitely unintentionally created MANY clones of him and his style.
He's better than eminem currently is at MAKING MUSIC and I don't even listen to NF like that.
NF is not like Eminem that mean u haven't heard his music
@@otherkynd1087 lol never
@@otherkynd1087 someone needs to take away your access to the internet this instant
NF is unbelievably cringe on so many levels, sorry NF fans.
"Just cause you're good at rapping, doesn't mean you're a good rapper"... damn 💀
Dumbest shit I’ve heard all day that’s like people that say their degree is as hard as STEM to make themselves feel better. True cognitive dussonance
takeoff summed up in one sentence in my opinion. the most technically gifted migo but the dude just cannot hit like offset. offset has the perfect blend of commercial value and technical skills. takeoff is like a god damn robot.
It reminds me of the basketball quote " Just because you're a good dribbler, doesn't mean you're a good ball handler."
Well that's a great contradiction
@@suppression2142 Yeah, it's just a bullshit that sounds cool. If you're good at rapping you're a good rapper, period. Then if you're making bad music overall you're still a good rapper but a bad musician/artist overall. We've got specific terms to name things, but I guess people have to be cool with this shitty misleading statements.
“Anyone with the ability to talk fast and access rhymezone can do this” spot. on.
😂dont think you orehe can spitt 12words a second....
i mean thats like saying 'anyone with the ability to sing can write can do this'. tho i get the point its uninspired
Those rappers who're "inspired" by Eminem involved themselves in dramas so petty it's cringeworthy-they seem to think Eminem is all about the fast rap and complexity of rhymes when it should be a manner of poetry mixed with lyricism (like Kendrick does). About Eminem, his intent, in the first place, is just to make fun of those who made fun of him and doesn't want the future generations to do what he says in his music. Em doesn't intend these kids to be inspired by him but to learn lessons he instilled in his lyrics (be it Shady or Em or Marshall) and that they should just keep it real. It's not a curse, but a mere misinterpretation of what Em is here for in the first place.
Kendrick is garabge
@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 Your opinion
@@tevingmusiclover no shit. What else you wanna enlighten me with? Water is clear? Air exists? Gravity holds you on earth?
@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 I’ve just said that is your opinion why are you overreacting
@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 i practically want to enlighten u how much of a crybaby u are bcoz u got offended on something that u shouldn't be, ever.
Speed rap when it's done by Eminem is pleasing to hear in my opinion.
exactly
It’s because he’s had a career of not doing it for a chunk of his life the new rappers only know and listen to fast Eminem and Eminem creating annoying clones
Yeah because you are white and don't know what you're talking about
@DREW lone Exactly. someone gets this. it's good he made the legendary album, "the eminem show" but after his first 4 albums, it feels like his only way to sell, is to rap fast.
His fast shit has no replay value imo.
Eminem is one of a kind you can’t replicate it
7:20 i see that you’re a man of culture
Y’all gotta look at the good things too. Hopsin and token are evolving. And Eminem brought us the most underrated rapper in rap right now, Westside boogie.
Most underrated for sure
Yeah but the cons outweigh the pros. He unintentionally influenced this mindset that if you’re not a quick hit fast rapper then you’re not worth listening to which is not true, it’s just pretentious.
Yeah, hopsin wants to be a cult leader, he ain’t far off
Griselda too.
@@tomv2063 y’all realize he ain’t start doing fast rap bs until like 2010 🤣 his whole first half of his career isn’t fast rap at all, and most fast rappers have substance, y’all just never actually looked into the lyrics cuz it was fast and it got disregarded
“Just because you’re good at rapping, doesn’t mean you’re a good rapper”. Interesting statement.
Em’s upbringing possessed the correct formula like a cheat code. No other white rapper will ever be able to duplicate that. Rightfully so when you try to retrace someone else’s hard work and blessing.
Yelawolf lol
Absolutely right. Since hip hop is dominated by mostly black males like myself, we are not extremely accepting of white rappers. Because if we’re being honest most of em are corny. Of all the white rappers that hip hop has bought us I like Yelawolf, & believe it or not MGK in like the beginning/middle of his career.
@@pweezy5661 What about Necro, Apathy, Paul Wall, Ill Bill ?
How is this Em’s problem? Em has always been a student of hip hop and paid his respects. I could understand if he were signing these people but he signed people like 50 cent, westside boogie, Griselda, D12. As a black em fan it sucks that some of his fans don’t respect hip hop like he does but it’s not his problem 🤷🏽♀️
It kinda is because his fanbase is uplifting all of these lames and goobers
@@imanigordon6803 its not. What has he to do with what his fanbase listen or dont listen to ?
It's almost like the " Unintentional" part completely flew over your head. Even Eminem himself has acknowledged this problem with a lot of his fanbase. No one said it's his problem. It's just an unforseen side effect that stems from his fanbase.
@@obba40 Because it's your fanbase. If a large portion of your fanbase is constantly engaging in unfavorable behavior, the artist has a platform to be able to reach those fans.
@@musicthemusicalperson4316 since when is it my fanbase? No how is that the artist responsibility?
this video inspired me. i'm a stand up comedian and musician in the uk. going to try and learn more about exploring what my flow might be. I always counted aesop rock as my biggest white hip hop influence. But i have been affected by the em curse and you helped me open up a new investigation into the genre. anyone who wants to suggest seminal artists please. I would be grateful.
Mini from otp
Doseone, Brother Ali, Eyedea, Slug, Dessa
@@aleksanderadriangabel6314 I had Borther Ali already. the rest all new to me. but i'm hooked already.
That whole “these guys are just copying him”. Yet every fucking thing on the radio sounds the same right now, turn up that auto tune, mumble, talk about the trap life, all off beat.
Being anti mumble rap is the new lame thing though my dude. Hating what’s popular and creating something even more lame is why people make fun of TH-camr fast rappers.
i‘ll take it over middle aged men bitching about how they miss real hip hop over karaoke machine ass beats
WHO TF LISTENS TO THE RADIO? No one from the new generation listens to the radio. They all use streaming services and other music sharing/discovery apps. There in lies your problem. You think the radio is an accurate reflection of the new generation when it couldn't be further from the truth. Radio has been dead for years. And because they have almost no listeners besides the random casual randomly tuning in, they get no feedback and it becomes a feedback mechanism. You seriously need to get with the times, dude. Because there are tens of thousands of absolutely incredible artists from the new generation. Rap/Hip Hop is literally in the most diverse place it's ever been, and there's more unique hip hop being created everyday more than at anytime in history.
You need to be influenced by more then one artists otherwise it becomes copy and paste. And that's the worst thing you can do in hip hop culture.
Yep that is 100% correct.
takes time for obvious influence to disappear , for some it never has.
ofc
I agree with everything except for Token, Joyner, and NF.
Token has stated multiple times that he did the fast rap because it was big at the time, so it was an easy way to get a fan base. If you listen to his new songs, they are not like Em at all. He rapped fast once or twice on his new album.
This is the same with NF. He sings on lots of his hooks and his songs like “How Could You Leave Us” are not comparable to Em.
And, once again, same with Joyner. His storytelling on “I’m Not Racist”, “Frozen”, and more are not products of Ems influence.
Out of all the clones, these are the three who I think are developing more of their own style as they grow but all generally started with that Em vibe, just like Kendrick and Cole.
As someone who grew up as one of the white kids who listened to Eminem, the older I got the more I realized how little I really knew about hip hop. Lucky I grew up in Pittsburgh the same time Mac Miller was blowing up and it helped me open my eyes to the rest of the world of rap. The problem these guys have is they get stuck in that Eminem bubble and they don’t leave. They might listen to Dre and guys like Royce but they won’t seek anything else out.
Exactly. You 100% get why people hate his fans and they have such shitty opinions on hip hop when they don’t listen to that much outside of the Eminem bubble. Mac has done more positive for the culture than Eminem has if we’re being honest.
J Cole dethroned eminem as my favorite artists a few years back. Then Mac Miller snatched the crown. I used to knoe nothing about hip hop, at while Em is in my top 5 to this day, I'm so glad I started to give a chance to the genre and listen to Kendrick, JID, Cole, Mac, 21 Savage, G Herbo, Juice wrld, lil durk, Jack Harlow, Da baby, etc, etc, etc. While I think some of those names are mid at best, giving them a chance is worth ir just to say "yeah I've listened to drill, not really my thing but I got a few tracks I like" or "yo, this JID guy deserves all the praise he's cathcing latley". Not to mention having atrists on my spotify besides eminem pass 100 liked songs on my spotify
I would say all of the recent Eminem hate has been solely thanks to his Stans. I mean all the bad music helped but the stans are what really set him aside as a "trash" Rapper.
I respect that lil shoutout Em did on stage, that's dope.
Legacy will always be my favorite thing from Eminem. The emotions he displays with that song are perfect and he called out his whole career. But when I hear the beat I’m tempted to make another attempt at it, I’m infinite. And he’s still making attempts to this day.
Eminem and Jay Z status is already solidified. There's nothing you can say to take that away from them!
Paul Wall so dope and naturally cool y’all forgot he was white and didn’t mention him. Houston Boys Up A Million Points 😎🤘🏾🔩🍇💯
Tokens actually pretty good imo. He def started off just rapping fast coz he could. But he’s coming into his own now and I’m interested to see where he goes.
I’ll agree to that. Token was just 16 and probably shouldn’t have been judged harshly for the Eminem startup. 2 albums on a label and he is coming into his own. He’s finding himself, and I’m happy for that for sure. I feel NF fits that box too. He’s like 5 albums in now well real albums at least, and he’s finding his own spot but still close to NF than token is
I agree on Token his Team Backpack and Cypher Effect stuff is great but most of it is battle rap so he only has to come up with witty responses and what not
I love this video because I can relate to it. I used to pretty much only listen to Eminem, and when I did, I thought that pretty much any hip hop that didn’t sound like Eminem was bad and not worth listening to. Ever since lessened my Eminem intake, I’ve been able to listen to and appreciate a lot more music. Not just hip hop but music in general honestly
I've had such a similar experience that's crazy. keep at it, I've explored entire other genres recently and it's a blast. I have always listened to artists besides eminem, but it's gone from like 100 a year to 1500
Seems like a lot of kids go through that phase, including me. Eminem is perfect for teenage boys. The anger, the sex jokes, and especially how easy it was to digest. Em really made you start to think that Rapping a million syllables a second equals being a great MC.
yeah bro i used to think any rapper that didn't rhyme every line with multi syllabics was trash😂
@@jalazel6447oh nah we got a hater here
😂
Rappers who can rap fast and still sound good are Twista, Eminem, and Tech9ine they all have their own original flows that make them sound good
Edit: there’s many more rappers I didn’t mention btw
All 3 of them plus Busta Rhymes as well ☺️☺️
@@music18021 forgot abt him he’s also very talented
Twista is such a goat and the more you listen the more you hear him saying . His rhythms are drum like and wild and tight at the same time. How come we never see Twista wannabes?
@@papidiesel6627 the Welcome To My Hood remix where Busta and Twista were back to back with their verses was just legendary ☺️☺️
With those 3, there's a rythym to their flow even when its fast. Most of the other fast rappers just sound like a little kid trying to show you how fast he reads but they're not even saying the words.
bro NGL I fuck heavily with NF he has changed into his own style he even mentioned how he is doing his own thing now and how he would have given anything to be seen by em but now he is in his own spotlight.
Irony of it is Em used to get labelled a Nas and Redman wanna be in the early days. I've been a massive Em fan since day one but he isn't the be all and end all of hip hop, we need diverse styles and unique flows or the music just don't work its like they say variety is the spice of life 💯
*FACTS. Eminem literally LOVES and appreciates Hip-Hop + his peers like Lil Wayne, Ye, Cole, Kendrick and many who are original and wants his fans to actually listen to other rappers while the tom mcdonald type rappers literally are the complete opposite and are not about the culture.*
Man Tom McDonald *literally* said he hates all hip hop, *on a hip hop track.* He's the WORST thing to come out of this Em clone thing by a country mike.
@@MiketheNerdRanger Tom is what happens when you take the worst parts of Eminem and make it into a TH-cam rapper
@@MiketheNerdRanger dude isn’t even a real rapper he’s a political activist posing a rapper lol dude is a complete clown
I will not stand for this NF slander
Yeah NF is the same voice and style but not the same substance it’s like comparing two dishes with the same ingredients that taste entirely differently because of the proportions and alternate cooking methods
The world needed this. The "I'm going to complain about mumble rappers and bring real hip hop back" thing is wasted energy. And is usually made by people who don't know what real hip hop is to begin with
Facts, you know they’re just talking when they say Wayne’s name. Even eminem loves Wayne. People are just outside fans
This was a fantastic video, I like how you weren’t trying to discredit Eminem’s legacy. Although I feel sometimes people sleep on Logic as a MC, and some people don’t realize that Jack Harlow said Em was a huge influence on him.
Jack Harlow can like Eminem but Jack is clearly different from him which is why folks like him
“Eminem’s legacy” lol I wish we could see exactly how many albums he would have sold if no white people bought it 😆
@@kay-collins regardless of the amount of albums sold he’s still respected by hip hop greats. Only ignorant listeners make irrelevant statements like this
Well Jack even if he was influenced has his own originality and genuine coolness that made him different. You could tell by his voice and delivery that he hangs out with and has at least some respect for black people without him having to say it. A lot of these white boys probably think they aren't racist because they have black friends if you get me. Jack just sounds comfortable on hiphop tracks cause he's comfortbale with the people and culture. These other rappers want the culture to change.
Logic is slept on heavy and needs go be COMPLETELY REMOVED from WHITE RAPPER categories. Is drake a white rapper? Cole? No. Biracial bobby deserved RESPECT
“So will the Real Slim Shady please stand up” 🤣
If you didn’t live thru MTV and Eminem’s albums, you don’t quite understand how big and impactful Eminem was. Like there isn’t a rapper tofay that touches how big he was in his hay day.
If you didn't live thru the MTV and MC Hammers albums, you don't quite understand how big and impactful MC Hammer was. Like there isn't a rapper tofay that touches how big he was in his hay day
@@thedonmega91 lol
@@thedonmega91 The difference being Hammer's only got like 2 hits.
Tf that gota do wit shit
Eminem was the most played artist in 2022. People do understand how big he is. With TikTok kids discovering this man he is still growing. Insane never before seen shi. I was also young when discovered him long after his “prime”
Logic needs to be COMPLETELY REMOVED from WHITE RAPPER categories. Is drake a white rapper? Cole? No. Biracial bobby deserves RESPECT. And lyrically mad underrated
Token was what, 17 when he made Doozy? He has some pretty deep hard hitting songs that are pretty slow paced on his last 2 albums, but nobody's gonna mention that
"spiritual miracle lyrical" rap is just as dismissive as people saying "mumble rap"
Agreed @james
@DREW lone you're telling me that you understand the deep meaning of what lil xan says when he repeats "you're not from around here" 30 times in a song? 😂 at least the fast rappers are technically good at rapping. sure they can't make good music though
@DREW lone that doesn't answer my question and let me guess, your how old?
@@fuosdi64 bro really brought up lil xan as a representation of mumble rap.
@@caydenl.4878 I mean, lil pump, lil xan, smokepurpp, etc. Take your pick, they're all the same. Shitty formulaic terrible music of that time period.
The Tom McDonald stuff is wild. Alot of Em’s influences were boom bap masters. Then he ripped g funk beats for years with Dre
Hey man! I've been watching 8 videos of your channel one after another in a row and honestly... i really liked all of them, it's a really good writing and great insight of the hip-hop world that, i really like it, even if it's not my favorite of all music genres, great work! 😁
(And sorry for my English, i even edited it a little with a translator but i think that's still not stayed perfect, hope it's still readable heh)
Appreciate that man ❤️
U can't diss NF like that bruh unacceptable
Tbf you can. Now that I've seen the comparisons and where the disses are coming from I get what they mean, but he's getting better as time passes
7:20
My boy PolitikZ still relevant I'm so proud of him XD
“it’s a miracle how he get so lyrical and proceed to move the crowd like an old Negro spiritual “ MF DOOM -Beef Rap 2004 For any rap aficionados this is the origin of that reference… I propose we start calling lyrical spiritual rapper DOOMBOTS
That NF portion was kinda starwman being that clip was referring to his earliest music not current. His current music has its own sound.
Mac Miller set himself apart for sure. Rip Mac 🙌🏿
Mac didn’t even fast rap rlly he was more in the experimental “nerdy” guy rap with guys like Tyler the Creator, Aesop Rock, and JID
@@LosHitman yeah i think Wiz had a bit of an influence on him too.
man people of this age will never understand how golden the slim shady lp and marshall mathers lp was back in the day. This new em isn't even close to his old form.
Its not age.
Its 2023 generation 🤕🥴😵they dumb as fugg.
No idea what rap is....they think ih ah banana is rap....like tue racist in the video:just listen to him....he is huge racist!hes rapidy fst stile is all he canfind,as it was a skillless thing.....they can do nothing but bla bla bla about LEGENDS....they eben say Mike Tyson was a bad boxer.....sooo😂
This is why I really hope Eminem goes back to his slow flow with the next album, it’s the perfect time to do that.
Eminem will always be my GOAT
Same here
Agreed
Man, Em didn’t put a curse on Hip-Hop. He made a path for himself when nobody else (before Dré) really wanted to give him the time of day. He was iconic and legendary because he was himself. The problem is that when people notice that “your style” worked for “you”, they try to copy it, hoping that their version will be either just as good or better, which I personally find insulting. He didn’t curse anyone. They’re just too stubborn and too scared to walk their own path.
People suck of Mac Miller and Jack Harlow and Kendrick and JCole and forget all of them LOVE AND ADORE EMINEM, and Were HEAVILY HEAVILY influenced by him(especially mac miller, Harlow, and cole)
@DREW lone condemning rappers for having any Eminem influence at all sounds incredibly biased. It's like ya forgot rap cadence in the 80s/90s was slightly quicker because it was rhythmic slick talk that leaned to mantras, hooks and choruses, not just melodies and autotune.
I hear alot more Drake and Wayne clones being thrown on the radio for shits and giggles than I hear about any Em clone. You have to actually find those guys. Everyone else is literally pushing mediocre artists. I'll even flip it and say you can't tell me Lil Baby is better than JID but Lil Baby is praised like a 2nd coming of Christ rn. The artists in question aren't even makin noise.
I'm an Em fan but I love the classic Hip Hop line up of Wu Tang, Big Pun, Biggie, Big L, Tupac, Redman, SlickRick, Eric B and Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big daddy Kane, Ice Cube, Canibus, DMX, Jay Z, Jadakiss etc. The literal greats. I'd be here all day if I put the real list. I almost did and feel like I should but I digress.
Logic, NF, Joyner, Yelawolf and that other dude they mentioned here are wack as hell. I know Hip Hop bruh, modern Hip hop is very weak. What sets Em's fast bars apart is the intricacy of maintaining subject matter while maintaining the flow, clarity, syllable placement, tone, breathing, pauses, patterns and seamless fashion. It's not always perfect, hell nah but at times it's entertaining because it's like a sport side to bars. Em just always did both I never disliked it even when I was a kid but can I also listen to Stylez P, Kiss, or Sean Price ? Yea.
I'm like in the 0.01% category that casually name these artists
I mean, "nerdy" raps has always been a thing. Being "lyrical miracle spiritual" didn't originate with Eminem, in fact, it was a hallmark of the specific rappers that he regards highly (Rakim, Treach, Canibus, etc.). I think the distasteful attitudes shown by white rappers towards the culture is disrespectful and comes off racist. It's okay for us to vocally have a problem with that. I just think we'd be making a mistake associating white rappers with multi syllabic rhyming at a fast pace. Kendrick does it too, but he's also a respectful person who loves hip hop. So does Busta, Twista and even Big Pun. The fundamental difference is, white rappers with condescending attitudes towards the culture are distasteful, and that's primarily why we dislike them, it's also why Tom Macdonald is considered the worst.
Well that’s cause white rappers come in hating the culture and try to peddle their music as “real music” because the subject matter is basically “real stuff”. But really, what is token, a Jewish kid with a nice home gonna rap about that would be thought provoking when out the gate he’s rapping only about shitting on rappers, the illest, and fucking women on tour. NF is fake deep, and it’s sad to watch. Logic is just a biter, and I’ll never let him slide after that suicide song “I don’t wanna be alive, who can relate? Wooh” Jack Harlow and mac miller are the only white rappers that have built a career in hip hop with respect.
@@SpliffyHusk SOME* white rappers yeah, but not all of them. Also, that's not particularly what I was talking about. There is, at least to me, nothing wrong with rapping about shitting on rappers. Treach did it. Big Daddy Kane did it. Canibus did it. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's the condescension regarding trap rapping and autotune. Looking down at that as "mumble rap". That's what I have a problem with regarding many white rappers, tho, some black rappers (like Snoop) also shit on "mumble rap", but when a white person does it in a black art form, it feels more like it has racist undertones. Other than that tho, if a white rapper just comes in, raps crazily, flipping syllables and shitting on other rappers in a healthy competitive way, I have NO problem with that. I ain't never been into gate keeping art.
I think its more so referring to corny white dudes who think rapping fast and using tongue twisters means you're lyrical. Meaning, rapping fast and using tongue twisters and making that your whole gimmick. Or the whole i-can-do-mumble-rap-better-than-mumble-rappers shit. Annoying.
It's always weird to me when I see all these Eminem clones and stans because Em has always made it clear that his biggest influence was Treach and you can even hear the similarities in their flow and wordplay. He even thanked Treach when he won his first Grammy.
@@SpliffyHusk I don’t understand how people have so much energy to waste being negative. I’m curious why you would call NF fake deep when he’s just a depressed dude telling his own story. It’s not like he’s just screaming IM SAD on every track lmao. And Logic definitely let’s his influences shine too much but he’s done too much in the rap game to be called just a biter. Idk man people calling all these rappers corny for so long now is getting kinda old I mean you don’t have to like them but shit they’re doing something right cuz they’re making millions of dollars and that’s something 99% of this comment section won’t ever do. But yeah logics 1-800 song was kinda wack but he actually saved lives tho apparently cuz the amount of people calling the hotline went up tremendously after that song blew up. Imagine saving a fuck ton of lives from rapping man shits crazy
For your information, NF also stole the black balloons from Denzel Curry's Taboo album.
I don’t find fast rap bad or white rappers corny I just hate how they say new rap is trash what happened to music I’m lyrical blah blah blah
THANK YOU for this. This video encapsuates so perfectly the way I feel about Eminem fans. The line about "They don't like hip hop they just like Eminem" rings sooo true.
So Eminem is the Nissan GTR of rap basically.
@@raymonds7492more like some lamborghini
😂just make a rap battle with him...me.skill
What Hopsin said is a sad fact & it made me think. When did wanting to be like one of the greats become a bad thing? When did succeeding @ it become a worse thing?
Copying is always bad
@@shtickeh9715 tell the mumble rap community that
@@cryttrchallengetime7771 anybody that still uses that term unironically is out of touch.
@@shtickeh9715 when say mumble rap I'm referring to mainstream rap,......but you knew that
@@cryttrchallengetime7771 hopsin and Joyner Lucas are mumble rap Fs
Nf has stated hes not a Christian rapper. He just believes in god and refuses to curse.
The ironic thing about this is "Revival" didn't have fast rap and was more focused on promoting a message/Em's opinions but it was trashed by critics. Then Chloraseptic remix drops with the fast rap and people were like "where was this Em on Revival?". So Em doubled down on the formula for Kamikaze and MTBMB.
What I like about Em's fast rap vs others is that even though he goes so fast the words are clear. My brain's just a second or two behind 😅
My guy talking about token from when he was 18, have you not listened to any of his new stuff?
Man, that Drake song with all the rappers was the time when M reblossomed. glad I'm not the only that noticed that. He even didn't dye his hair. It was like a new Eminem.
I remember that; I was in middle school when this dropped and my head exploded. Feels like a lifetime ago
That “Drake song with all the rappers” really? you def one of these white boys that this video referring to and I’m a huge em fan but this comment is just cringe
I always skip to the end because he has the best verse
@@miraonthewall5284 What were they supposed to say?
@@PeterGriffin11 how about the actual fucking song title? Forever ft lil Wayne, Kanye and Em?
Jack Harlows a HUGE Stan. He's even said he doesn't like people disrespecting em. 😤
I grew up on 8Mile era.. so i can tell relapse is classic to me.. Dejavu song is almost perfect.. the storytelling, the rhyme patterns, the cadences, the wordplays, the bars are insane
I agree with what you're saying but, I disagree with the NF statement. His songs discuss mental health and actively bring awareness to it. He is really talented and doesn't boast about being a "lyrical rapper".
I can respect that, I don’t like him because of how repeltitvd his songs are, they all are different yes but have the same overlying mentally fucked underdog Montra, it’s like eating the same exact food every day, even the best dish can become boring and stale with overindulgence
Yeah I agree. There were a few of those rappers he labeled corny and Em knockoffs that I actually think are decent. I guess I can hear in their music they're obviously influenced by Em, but I feel like they also combine it with their own style as well, so I don't really see them as "Em clones" but there were also a few he labeled as corny that I agree with and think they do just try to rap like eminem and it's lame. In response to your comment, NF is one that I would agree with you on.
@@anothergamingchannel2656 token and Hopsin should have been given some more respect, same thing for Joyner
Yeah. Even tho he says on the video that these other rappers rap fast with no substance. Yet NF DOES talk about things of substance.
@@Jeissecastillo I've listened to his whole catalog. It's just way too corny for me, and I just don't think he's that good. I don't think his lyrics are that good, and I think he's incredibly basic, sorry. I think a large part of the hate has to do with his fanbase. A large portion of his fanbase are people who are white and Christian (not that there's anything wrong with either of those things) that either don't listen to rap otherwise or only listen to a few other people, and get into his music because he's religious and his faith impacts his music in a big way - whether that be through talking about his faith or not swearing.
Some of these fans (who are hopefully a vocal minority) are the type to say things like he makes "real rap" and say stuff about how people who don't like him just don't enjoy listening to people who "make them think" and will generally point out a few popular artists who aren't very lyrical as a way to warrant that. So essentially, a lot of hip hop fans find that NF fans are disrespectful to the genre and to hip hop fans in general without actually knowing what they're talking about. When it comes to the actual music, there's a lot of reasons why most hip hop fans don't like his music. First of all, a lot of people perceive things like not swearing as gimmicky. Secondly, when it comes to things like production or technical aspects of rap such as rhyme schemes and flows, a lot of people find him to be super repetitive. It also doesn't help that some of his music is very pop-rappy (Let You Down, Paralyzed, etc.) Another big portion is that a lot of people don't think he's actually very lyrical or very thought-provoking at all. On his album The Search for example, obviously one of the bigger themes is depression. A lot of his fanbase point to this and songs from the album that talk about depression as an example of the "real rap" stuff. But the issue is that depression is something that's talked about A LOT in hip hop. Guys like Saba and Earl Sweatshirt for example are fairly prominent, well-respected artists that have made albums centered on depression and grief that are much more personal and in-depth. Most people just don't feel like his music brings anything new to the table with what he's talking about.
Hope that helps. I'm not an NF fan myself, but a lot of people close to me are and I've listened to most of his albums extensively since I love talking about hip hop with friends and family regardless of what they're into.
He certainly doesn't make bad music. Most of his stuff is definitely listenable. But there are absolutely valid reasons for why most hip hop fans aren't into him, whether that be because of some of his fanbase or due to the actual music. He's too direct. There's a lot of skill in putting together vivid descriptions through visuals, metaphors, etc. A lot of his fans say "that's deep" because NF directly tells them "I'm depressed and sad". There's nothing wrong with enjoying that music, but there's a ton of artistic skill in not being this straight forward. And the few times NF has tried it's just......bad, simplistic, very cringy, and very corny.
honestly the disrespect to token is CRAZY. listen to exception, happiness, new problems and you’ll see that token isn’t only that.
Token is actually trying to branch with his new album. His fans don’t like it but I’m here for his growth 👍🏾
I thought the same exact thing.
100%. Between Somewhere was in many ways a character destruction of who he sold himself to the world as on Eraser Shavings and Pink is Better is continuing the trend of Token evolving in his musical style/ability and being more vulnerable with his music. I'm glad to see so many people in the comments pointing out how dirty they did Token in the vid.
Not even a big fan of Token but I agree, he has found his own style now
His new album is one hell of a banger and 100% Token, not anything else
How embarrassing that copying Eminem was embarrassing 24 years ago and people still try it thinking no one will notice
I was heavy on NF but slowly drifted away from him because everytime I listen to him, I can hear the Eminem influence where I be questioning if Em is actually on the track.
NF bein or not being the em "clone" is what it is there is depth to his lyrics in my opinion
I see the influence in NF's music, but I don't like when people downplay NF's message or fan base. He literally has his own unique style. Although he started out sounding like Eminem, he has evolved over time to his own sound, just like J. Cole and Kendrick did.
I disagree with NF being a clone. Starting off he had similarities but he's come up into his own in his last 2 albums/ep. He talks and resonates with the people struggling or can't put the hurt into words or just dealing with life. His words are intelligent and intentional.
I 100% agree with what you’re saying
Idk. I think what you define as intelligent or resonating with hurt people is largely subjective. For me, it's very surface level and basic for me. Songs like illogic's "hate in puddle" resonate with me far, far deeper and ate levels and levels above anything NF has ever put out in terms of intelligence.
@@myjciskate4 your right about it being subject yes. Maybe I just connect with his music better.
Agreed
Yeah, it's a stereotype, if you're a LYRICAL rapper that takes the time to master the craft by reading the dictionary and writing a lot apparently you're an Eminem clone. But in my opinion how can you call yourself a lyricist if you haven't read a single page in the dictionary and the only words you know are words to carry a conversation that you were taught as a child? You see NF makes completely different music than Eminem and he's still called an Eminem clone just because he has good word play and the way he dresses sometimes. "He just raps fast on a dark beat" they obviously haven't listened to Clouds or Grindin. You wanna know the real curse to the hip hop game? That if you're actually lyrically talented you're an Eminem clone, even if you rap about completely different things. That hurts me, cause ever since I was 9 I read the dictionary trying to get my arsenal built up, reciting words over and over until I have them stuck in my head and busted my ass to master the craft just to be called an Eminem copy cat, dax, nf, logic, hopsin, Tom, token and joyner are all great lyricists and are doing their own thing, every single one of these artists make songs with substance but apparently being a great lyricist means you're copying Eminem. It's funny that the rappers that actually copy Eminem don't get called out, but oh if you happen to be great with words you're just copying.
And Nf is on a another level bro his lyrics have meaning.
I agree. Those who listen to nf are there for the meaning and emotion in the lyrics. I think people should keep calling nf a Christian rapper because hes just gonna come out with a song about that and out sell other rappers!
@@ashleycomer6119 He's gonna sell out the other rappers goes middle america is filled with hyper religous weirdos🤣🤣🤣🤣