True. But that was in 2019. When 9th Wonder was coming up people still believed only nerds used computers (little did they know). There was so much emphasis on street cred in the boom bap listening community that it applied even to producers - I mean, I remember people complaining when a rap track used synth samples because that isn't "real hip hop".
There are no "better ways" at music production. You just do what works for you, and that's it. Only insecure people that lack basic self esteem have others dictate to them on how to express their creativity.
@@djdspence Please do, it's disheartening AF to see people not getting the best out of themselves because they feel strangled into doing "what's right".
Funny story, 9th was a producer based in NC, and my father, who also sequences beats, had the pleasure of meeting him. They would become acquaintances and, according to my dad, 9th had actually stepped foot inside the house that I'm living in currently (I wouldn't know because I wasn't born yet). I'm glad that you mentioned Jay-Z's Black Album because I get the chance to show everyone some secret lore about 9th Wonder that I can assure no one knows. In 03', 9th was looking for a computer that he would use for beat making. My dad had offered one to him for free and they made the exchange at my house. 9th produced one singular beat on that computer and never used it again. The instrumental for "Threat" would end up on "The Black Album" by Jay-Z. When my dad met him after the album dropped and 9th gained his notoriety, he asked 9th, "So I guess you could say that you owe your career to me?" And 9th responded, "I guess you could say that." This story is so crazy even for me; I would've never believed my dad if he hadn't shown me a piece of paper with 9th Wonder's phone number on it.
this is so beautiful! I love this message! something i always preach in my lives too. "what are you doing it for?" if it is for a quick gain, clout and status then it won't last long.
I'm from Durham, right up the street where he went to school at NCCU with Little Brother. I remember when Little Brother distinquished that new sample boom bap back pack but hard hitting edgy sound that 9th Wonder developed with his production techniques. Fruity Loops was the wave for our generation, it was hated on by the old heads back then and many still today, but a real producer can make magic with any DAW. The man makes the DAW, DAW doesn't make the man. Dope video, brought back memories.
9th seriously deserves the world. He's able to make so much from so little, like he can use a simple sample loop for an entire beat and make it work like a fuckin genius. Super underrated.
doubling a single quarter note on someone else's genius performance is genius? Seems basic to me. Kind of reminds me of Vanilla Ice trying to explain how his "genius" contribution to Queen/Bowie's "Under Pressure" was doing a note repeat on one of the notes. These songs are successful because a talented musician wrote some amazing parts for it that would have sounded great whether including the minor alteration chops or played unaltered. .
@@AdamsOlympia Then why don't you go on and make a living by making beats better than 9th Wonder? I guarantee you have no music worth listening to yet you got so much to say about others talent. Lmfao
@@AdamsOlympialmao bums like you are hilarious. You can check old tweets from some of the greatest rappers dead or alive begging 9th wonder to make beats for him. Kendrick lamar for one. You got no idea what your talking about if you think what 9th wonder does is basic hahahaha. Otherwise why would you have rap talents like that literally begging that man for his beats he produces. Bruh
I think it was shocking to industry people who were used to big boards and studios. But what 9th did is par for the course for Indie Hip Hop, DIY approach. It’s like how people are making movies with phones for the past few years. You have nothing, you use what you have at your disposal and hopefully it works. Underground Hip Hop.
In the early 90’s we had Atari ST and Commodore Amiga computers with software like Protracker or Soundtracker. Many hiphop and house artists used software to create music. Fruity Loops is just a newer version of that. It’s not about the tools, it’s what you do with them that counts … or sounds in this case.
I made beats on FL back in the early 2000s. It was super shit on by default. I used to get the "you made that in Fruity loops?!". Like people didn't even want to believe that it had a sampler so you could load your own sounds and VSTs and connect it to keyboards and sound modules and play it with a MIDI controller. "Fruity" being in the title didn't help it any but the "loops" part made a lot of people think it was just MTV Music Generator and all you could do with is mix and match premade loops. The sounds that came with it were pretty cheesy though.
When I started making beats at around 05 using FL Studio, I remember lots of people saying that I should get an MPC or at least some other daw like Pro Tools. So when I heard that 9th Wonder uses FL Studio I knew that I don't need to worry about those remarks.
Maaaan. FL2 demo was my launching pad. When 9th took off with it, and Murs said "9th you made these beats on fruity loops!?" I was proud AF, like, the path was on point. Peace.
I automatically knew you'd say 9th Wonder. He's the most famous Fruity Loops producer. Well, the first famous at least. The most hated though? Although I guessed you would talk about him, I didn't know he was that much hated. To me, from the forums I used to frequent back in the days, 9th Wonder seemed to inspire more than outrage people. I can't even remember anyone hating on 9th. I've scoured the internet on many forums, so pretty surprised to hear that. The only outrage I've seen regarding online producers or rappers was a track called "Internet MC's" by Akrobatik, where he dissed people were writing online, or "keystyling" as he called it.
My knock on 9th is that he rarely switches his drums.You CAN tell a 9th beat.I NEVER repeat the SAME drums.The challenge is finding fresh drums and there's MILLIONS of drum samples.I prefer ALCHEMIST,DILLA,MADLIB,ILL MIND,BEATMINERS, ODDISEE.Nothing wrong with a "signature sound"though.
Great video! I've been making beats for longer than I want to say starting out with two HD VCR machines and a 4 second sample time to work with! Using the VCRs to overdub my tracks because they had CD quality sound that didn't degrade very much. Use what you have and can afford and be creative with it. You might just develop a new sound just by having to do some crazy work-around.
Been an FL user since 5.0 and also have a pretty decent collection of hardware. I've also been a huge fan of music made throughout the 1990's in trackers, the so-called demoscene. The early demoscene and SID (C64) scenes wrote some amazing music with extremely limited hardware features but the complexity and power of the software and the determination & perfectionism of artists like Audiomonster, Jogeir Liljedahl, LizardKing, Mosaik (aka. Radix, IMHO one of the most talented songwriters ever, 100s of tunes since a teen and nearly all absolute pure brilliance), and countless others. I've never doubted that you can make great music with a computer or with hardware. A computer gives you more direct hands on control to transfer what you hear in your head, real hardware gives you more options to explore and discover unexpected sounds you never imagined. Both are good, and anyone who disagrees should shut their hole.
I use DAWs because I like to be able to physically see what I'm doing. For example with EQ I'm listening to the sound but I'm also looking at the screen to start out with the EQ in a particular shape as a reference.
Choosed FL Studio cause I wanted to learn how to make sample beats. Glad 9th wonder paved the road for us to show artists daws are not junk. I tried hardware just not for me.
I live in a Third world country and sampled music really kicked out after FL Studio. No one could afford physical equipment or knew how to operate it. The sad part is that most of the music made today is still very poor quality. Same in Brazil and most parts of South America.
Wait, if he's making superior beats on an "inferior" instrument, doesn't that make him the superior producer....????? He gets hate for that?! That's like a chef being able to cook a 5 star meal with just a fire vs a chef cooking with all the highest kitchen technology.
Fruity Loops was far from being the first affordable way to make music at home with just a computer. Trackers had been around for over a decade by that point, starting with 1987's Soundtracker and by the early to mid 90's Scream Tracker, Fast Tracker and a bit later Impulse Tracker were firmly established as standards within the scene. Fruity Loops was initially mocked because it was categorized with Dance eJay, a software that was seen as just a highly commercialized toy instead of a real music production software. To be fair, trackers were far more versatile and powerful than either one of those two, even if the very basic idea of making music by rearranging and manipulating samples was the same. Having said that, people have always been quite tribalistic and gatekeepey about stuff, no matter if it's Fruity Loops vs. "real" music production, Scream Tracker vs. Fast Tracker, Amiga vs. PC vs. Atari ST, SoundBlaster vs. GUS, any modern DAW vs. any other modern DAW... it goes on and on. There's still something especially hilarious about hiphop producers of all people being so precious about what counts as the _real_ way to produce music.
When FL first came out it was literally like the software equivalent of somthing you'd find in a cerial packet but they stopped short of putting free CD's in corn flakes packets but instead got sued by the cerial company! The reason FL wasn't taken seriosly was because it wasn't serious software when it first came out, just a gimmick. I read somewhere once that the developer had no idea that it would continue to evolve the way it did. When it first came out it was just a basic drum machine type thing, just a bit of fun. Players like Cubase and Logic had already been in the game for years and other newcomers like Ableton and Bitwig came in with pro software right off the bat, but gradually over time FL lost the toy tag and by around 2007 it really started to give the big boys a run for their money feature wise.
I remember using FL Studio when it was still called Fruity Loops 4, and I chose it along with Adobe Audition 1.5 because it was the most affordable way to start recording. I still use Adobe Audition today because I'm very familiar with it and use it to edit some audio. Back in the day, I always felt like I wasn’t a 'real' producer because when people asked what I used for recording and I said FL Studio and Adobe, they’d look at me like I was dumb or amateur. It might have been my own insecurity, who knows. A few years later, I got a copy of Pro Tools and was hugely disappointed. I remember thinking, 'This is what everyone is using?' It seemed so counterintuitive compared to FL Studio. Even though FL Studio couldn’t record audio at the time (which is why I used the Adobe combo), I could program drums and patterns in FL and then import them into Adobe for recording. I tried other DAWs like Cubase, Cakewalk, and Sony Acid, but nothing felt as intuitive as FL Studio. Around 2008-2010, I noticed people producing hits in FL Studio, and the rap community started respecting it. Now, FL Studio is incredibly powerful, and I’m glad I stuck with it.
the computer made it better for the non having much of money.....but i still fuck with my mpc and keyboard plug ins and i still get that hiphop flavor that keeps me grounded in it...
When all you have is a laptop and a microphone, it pushes you to really get into what little you have and use them to their fullest potential plus I just don't really have the budget or space for everything else
Let’s just be honest, hardware is completely absurd and unnecessary at this point, how obnoxiously expensive and difficult it was to get your hands on things like mpc’s is the reason why I could never really start creating music on my own until I got much older and the technology allowed for it
9th wonder has been my favorite producer for years reason I started making beats in middle school on fl studio having no idea he started using that same program amazing to discover on this video thank you 👏
Are used to use a MPC 2000 XL and a Yamaha motif XS6. I used this set up for years and stood by it until I checked out logic Pro X in 2013 and used it and I never looked back. 😆 I took my production to a whole different level.
Even when using a computer for beats back in the day Fruity loops was looked down on compared to Reason or other DAW’s. But it was because “Loops” is in the title maybe “Fruity” didn’t help also lol.
I remember in 1999 I got chatting on my break with this nerdy colleague about making music. I was using Hiphip ejay 2 😂. The dude told me about this new digital audio workstation called Fruity Loops and actually hooked me up with a bootleg CD later that week. I remember thinking that the sky was the limit. Even back then there were haters talking about Reason or protools (Dr Dre uses protools - kids talk) being better and fruity loops was a gimmick but it was no different to playstation vs xbox nonsense.
Im most curious which monitor speakers he used. Anyway, i remember talking to this kid way back in early 2000s and he said, "Fruity Loops is too 'housy' for me.". He must have been confused by the 140bpm default and stock sounds as if he never thought to change the bpm or acquire drum samples from other sources. People are just dumb sometimes. Thats back when everyone thought if you were to produce on a comp that you need to use a Mac.
Can you speak on how Justice made their "Cross" album using early Garageband and Cubase in the mid 2000's era of DAW's? Even how the album still sounds epic to this day.🎧✌🏾
I use ableton, but with it i use Yamaha keyboard for differend sounds and Akai MPX8 for drums and samples. Ain't got no money for MPC i want so i use what i get make it work with Ableton or MPC Beats. Gear won't matter, it's your mind and how you overcome problems. :)
This is an interesting conversation to be having in 2024. Its been acceptable to make music via software for some time now. FL Studio might be the most used software in the industry for hip hop at this point.
Madlib said recently on Sway he uses an Ipad for 10+ years...whoever thinks its whatever than genius,can just look up what madlib put out since hes been using that Ipad shits nuts...its the guy behind it ,not the 'tool' nice video,enjoyed watching it
I started making beats with a tracker program named Med on an amiga 500, nowadays, I start chopping the sample on a laptop with edison and propellerhead recycle and finish the whole thing on my phone or tablet using caustic audio editor.
There's no doubt that fl might be the strongest daw for producing nowadays but back then it was the early 2000s and producing and mixing in the box was still laughed at
They are going to do same with A.I and then years later they be all over it and loving it. The way I see it, whenever I hear lots of people hating on something or someone, I know that something or someone is onto a winner. Within reason and the context. Haters are a distraction, brewed up with them wanting us to be like the status quo. People want to believe in dreams happen but not for someone else, but for them.
if FL wasnt called "fruity loops", didnt have such a "soft" looking visual interface and didnt open to those terrible 4 default drum sounds i think things would have been pretty different.
I would like to have the opportunity to describe myself in terms of why I would be one of the people “hating” on what some would call “bedroom producers” Now, before I proceed I’m not someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. I am not a boomer, and I have been making music for about 8 years now and my opinion stems from that. My issue is with producers who ONLY use their laptop. Let me try and explain what I mean: As producers, you should use EVERY tool available - Omnisphere, etc. but a lot of music producers will learn about ghost notes and rely on just their piano roll on fl studio. And that’s it. That’s ALL their knowledge - something on a computer screen. There isn’t many transferable skills doing JUST that. If I placed a piano in front of you. Can you even play the melodies? Most producers I have spoken to say no, most of em have admitted to not being able to play with 2 hands… A MUSIC PRODUCER SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRODUCE MUSIC. You should be aiming to pick up a guitar and learning how to create unique, ROYALTY free melodies.. not sampling the same thing everybody else is sampling.. that’s why our market is oversaturated with mediocre beats imho the best producers know how to incorporate the new technology, but utilise the old methods to. Knowing how to really switch the sound up and be creative is a big advantage to getting your music heard on a wide scale - but unfortunately most people just re-release the same almost identical type beats and expect it to do numbers lol But whatever they want to do, is their choice. I ain’t gonna kick em for doing what they think is best. I just don’t personally agree with it
Lol my boy introduced me to this program when it just came out. I used it until part 3 then switched to reason because my computer couldn't handle the graphics 😂
The majority of people hating on fl studio producers have no understanding of how to even utilize fl studio and make good music it's not what you use it's how you use it
Just as long as the person who makes Beats on the computer can recognize himself as a programmer more so than a musician, I as a artist who plays actual instruments have no problem.
9th is one of the greatest producers, period. 9th makes it look easy and that's what pisses some people off. They cannot do what he does and the output be on a level that others cannot just comprehend. FL is accessible, but that doesn't mean people know how to bend it to their will. It's like making sniper rifles free on the market, no background check, no license, and everyone that gets one thinks they can now hit a moving target 1000 yards away. That's the difference. Everyone can go out and buy a basketball for a few bucks, how many people are Jordan with that ball in their hand?
hardware is only relevant for the tradition, and the changes in sound are honestly much more indebted to the workflow of the hardware than any small audio deviance. i hate hardware fetishism
Madlib produced Freddie Gibbs' whole album on an iPad... and he said it best: "If it sounds good, that's all that matters"
Neither of us are Madlib tho 😅
@@TK_Type2and we never will be lol Just do u
@@gaboon7777 your response just emphasizes my point
@@TK_Type2 but are you trying to sound just like Madlib or have your own sound ?
True. But that was in 2019. When 9th Wonder was coming up people still believed only nerds used computers (little did they know). There was so much emphasis on street cred in the boom bap listening community that it applied even to producers - I mean, I remember people complaining when a rap track used synth samples because that isn't "real hip hop".
There are no "better ways" at music production. You just do what works for you, and that's it. Only insecure people that lack basic self esteem have others dictate to them on how to express their creativity.
What you just said should be a quote for all music producers and artists alike. Im stealing it
#Respectfully
Truth.
💪🏽 That is so true. I have my own process of making music and it works so i stick with it. My newest upload is HERE.
@@djdspence Please do, it's disheartening AF to see people not getting the best out of themselves because they feel strangled into doing "what's right".
Your process is your process. I hate on no one that craft's a great process.
Funny story, 9th was a producer based in NC, and my father, who also sequences beats, had the pleasure of meeting him. They would become acquaintances and, according to my dad, 9th had actually stepped foot inside the house that I'm living in currently (I wouldn't know because I wasn't born yet). I'm glad that you mentioned Jay-Z's Black Album because I get the chance to show everyone some secret lore about 9th Wonder that I can assure no one knows. In 03', 9th was looking for a computer that he would use for beat making. My dad had offered one to him for free and they made the exchange at my house. 9th produced one singular beat on that computer and never used it again. The instrumental for "Threat" would end up on "The Black Album" by Jay-Z. When my dad met him after the album dropped and 9th gained his notoriety, he asked 9th, "So I guess you could say that you owe your career to me?" And 9th responded, "I guess you could say that." This story is so crazy even for me; I would've never believed my dad if he hadn't shown me a piece of paper with 9th Wonder's phone number on it.
You love bragging about a story you weren't really born to be apart of...yet so confident it's true.
You from Durham? I’m from Durham.
how is this is a funny story?,....
@@SBG_ArsenyBruv you gotta realize these famous people are actual people that interact with other people, and these other people use the internet
its just funny how small the world is i guess@@jorgepadilla9945
this is so beautiful! I love this message! something i always preach in my lives too. "what are you doing it for?" if it is for a quick gain, clout and status then it won't last long.
Absolutely! Good to see you btw Sunny
haha whats good Sunni.
small f'in world!! let's go!!! @@Trevor7
A true artist is not limited by their tools.
HUGE FACTS!!!!
Factsss
Also they dont take shieeeetyone too
I read once where 9th said, "if i can score 50 points wearing Chuck Taylors, why do i need Air Jordan's? "
I'm from Durham, right up the street where he went to school at NCCU with Little Brother. I remember when Little Brother distinquished that new sample boom bap back pack but hard hitting edgy sound that 9th Wonder developed with his production techniques. Fruity Loops was the wave for our generation, it was hated on by the old heads back then and many still today, but a real producer can make magic with any DAW. The man makes the DAW, DAW doesn't make the man. Dope video, brought back memories.
Little Brother? You remember Foreign Exchange? Their album Connected was a classic 🔥
9th seriously deserves the world. He's able to make so much from so little, like he can use a simple sample loop for an entire beat and make it work like a fuckin genius. Super underrated.
doubling a single quarter note on someone else's genius performance is genius? Seems basic to me. Kind of reminds me of Vanilla Ice trying to explain how his "genius" contribution to Queen/Bowie's "Under Pressure" was doing a note repeat on one of the notes.
These songs are successful because a talented musician wrote some amazing parts for it that would have sounded great whether including the minor alteration chops or played unaltered. .
@@AdamsOlympia Then why don't you go on and make a living by making beats better than 9th Wonder? I guarantee you have no music worth listening to yet you got so much to say about others talent. Lmfao
@@AdamsOlympia can't believe there are still dorks who listen to Pink Floyd crying about sampling in 2024
@@AdamsOlympialmao bums like you are hilarious. You can check old tweets from some of the greatest rappers dead or alive begging 9th wonder to make beats for him. Kendrick lamar for one. You got no idea what your talking about if you think what 9th wonder does is basic hahahaha. Otherwise why would you have rap talents like that literally begging that man for his beats he produces. Bruh
@@AdamsOlympia🤡🤡🫵🫵ik you just didn’t compare ice to 9th😂 let see you take a beat if it’s so easy
I think it was shocking to industry people who were used to big boards and studios. But what 9th did is par for the course for Indie Hip Hop, DIY approach. It’s like how people are making movies with phones for the past few years. You have nothing, you use what you have at your disposal and hopefully it works. Underground Hip Hop.
In the early 90’s we had Atari ST and Commodore Amiga computers with software like Protracker or Soundtracker. Many hiphop and house artists used software to create music. Fruity Loops is just a newer version of that. It’s not about the tools, it’s what you do with them that counts … or sounds in this case.
FL was also critical to a lot of reggaeton production
I made beats on FL back in the early 2000s. It was super shit on by default. I used to get the "you made that in Fruity loops?!". Like people didn't even want to believe that it had a sampler so you could load your own sounds and VSTs and connect it to keyboards and sound modules and play it with a MIDI controller. "Fruity" being in the title didn't help it any but the "loops" part made a lot of people think it was just MTV Music Generator and all you could do with is mix and match premade loops. The sounds that came with it were pretty cheesy though.
Back then he had the invest money to make beat and get into this game. That was another reason why people really hated on software users
When I started making beats at around 05 using FL Studio, I remember lots of people saying that I should get an MPC or at least some other daw like Pro Tools. So when I heard that 9th Wonder uses FL Studio I knew that I don't need to worry about those remarks.
Threat and a woman’s threat are some of my favorite songs and I had no idea they shared the same beat but just reversed.
People usually hate change because it removes familiarity, and therefore removes comfort.
Maaaan. FL2 demo was my launching pad. When 9th took off with it, and Murs said "9th you made these beats on fruity loops!?" I was proud AF, like, the path was on point. Peace.
I automatically knew you'd say 9th Wonder. He's the most famous Fruity Loops producer. Well, the first famous at least. The most hated though? Although I guessed you would talk about him, I didn't know he was that much hated. To me, from the forums I used to frequent back in the days, 9th Wonder seemed to inspire more than outrage people. I can't even remember anyone hating on 9th. I've scoured the internet on many forums, so pretty surprised to hear that. The only outrage I've seen regarding online producers or rappers was a track called "Internet MC's" by Akrobatik, where he dissed people were writing online, or "keystyling" as he called it.
How in the hell did the algorithm figure out i make crappy beats on fl studio to reccomend me this?
9th wonder was the man and I always loved his beats..one of my favorites. The listener doesn't care how the beat is made lol
he's still the man
@@Crates94 you right let me edit
last part so true... the listeners that care abt that are not part of the majority of listeners
He makes beats in fl but his beats are very authentic
Yet since late 90s, engineers used software for major lps.
My knock on 9th is that he rarely switches his drums.You CAN tell a 9th beat.I NEVER repeat the SAME drums.The challenge is finding fresh drums and there's MILLIONS of drum samples.I prefer ALCHEMIST,DILLA,MADLIB,ILL MIND,BEATMINERS, ODDISEE.Nothing wrong with a "signature sound"though.
And 9th will cop an attitude when folks tell him he uses the same drums on every track.
“Yes, 9th really made these beats on Fruity Looos”- murs
one of the best music channels on the tube.. great content!
Thanks bro it means a lot but i got literally no vids on this channels yet tho thanks tho
The modern argument now is Beatmakers vs completely AI generated beat-makers.
Its scary
I stick to old school approach
Great video! I've been making beats for longer than I want to say starting out with two HD VCR machines and a 4 second sample time to work with! Using the VCRs to overdub my tracks because they had CD quality sound that didn't degrade very much. Use what you have and can afford and be creative with it. You might just develop a new sound just by having to do some crazy work-around.
9th uses machine now
This video was a real pleasure to watch! I'm so glad I found you and subscribed!
I spent the entire past weekend on another 9th wonder kick. So this content came just in time!
Been an FL user since 5.0 and also have a pretty decent collection of hardware. I've also been a huge fan of music made throughout the 1990's in trackers, the so-called demoscene. The early demoscene and SID (C64) scenes wrote some amazing music with extremely limited hardware features but the complexity and power of the software and the determination & perfectionism of artists like Audiomonster, Jogeir Liljedahl, LizardKing, Mosaik (aka. Radix, IMHO one of the most talented songwriters ever, 100s of tunes since a teen and nearly all absolute pure brilliance), and countless others. I've never doubted that you can make great music with a computer or with hardware. A computer gives you more direct hands on control to transfer what you hear in your head, real hardware gives you more options to explore and discover unexpected sounds you never imagined. Both are good, and anyone who disagrees should shut their hole.
This was really interesting bro! 💪🏽 really needed this bro. 💯
the word "hated" can indeed change the future trojecory of an artists legacy just by the use of the word.
I use DAWs because I like to be able to physically see what I'm doing. For example with EQ I'm listening to the sound but I'm also looking at the screen to start out with the EQ in a particular shape as a reference.
What makes the hardware better is the converters and pre amps what makes the DAWs better is easier workflow
Choosed FL Studio cause I wanted to learn how to make sample beats. Glad 9th wonder paved the road for us to show artists daws are not junk. I tried hardware just not for me.
I live in a Third world country and sampled music really kicked out after FL Studio. No one could afford physical equipment or knew how to operate it. The sad part is that most of the music made today is still very poor quality. Same in Brazil and most parts of South America.
Wait, if he's making superior beats on an "inferior" instrument, doesn't that make him the superior producer....????? He gets hate for that?! That's like a chef being able to cook a 5 star meal with just a fire vs a chef cooking with all the highest kitchen technology.
As a musician who plays bass drums keyboards and guitar. FL Studio is all I use, and I love it.
Props just for using the Saigon - Dreams beat in the intro. I love that song.
Fruity Loops was far from being the first affordable way to make music at home with just a computer. Trackers had been around for over a decade by that point, starting with 1987's Soundtracker and by the early to mid 90's Scream Tracker, Fast Tracker and a bit later Impulse Tracker were firmly established as standards within the scene. Fruity Loops was initially mocked because it was categorized with Dance eJay, a software that was seen as just a highly commercialized toy instead of a real music production software. To be fair, trackers were far more versatile and powerful than either one of those two, even if the very basic idea of making music by rearranging and manipulating samples was the same.
Having said that, people have always been quite tribalistic and gatekeepey about stuff, no matter if it's Fruity Loops vs. "real" music production, Scream Tracker vs. Fast Tracker, Amiga vs. PC vs. Atari ST, SoundBlaster vs. GUS, any modern DAW vs. any other modern DAW... it goes on and on. There's still something especially hilarious about hiphop producers of all people being so precious about what counts as the _real_ way to produce music.
been using the triad of Fruity Loops, Cool Edit Pro, and Acid since the 90's
When FL first came out it was literally like the software equivalent of somthing you'd find in a cerial packet but they stopped short of putting free CD's in corn flakes packets but instead got sued by the cerial company!
The reason FL wasn't taken seriosly was because it wasn't serious software when it first came out, just a gimmick. I read somewhere once that the developer had no idea that it would continue to evolve the way it did.
When it first came out it was just a basic drum machine type thing, just a bit of fun. Players like Cubase and Logic had already been in the game for years and other newcomers like Ableton and Bitwig came in with pro software right off the bat, but gradually over time FL lost the toy tag and by around 2007 it really started to give the big boys a run for their money feature wise.
I remember using FL Studio when it was still called Fruity Loops 4, and I chose it along with Adobe Audition 1.5 because it was the most affordable way to start recording. I still use Adobe Audition today because I'm very familiar with it and use it to edit some audio.
Back in the day, I always felt like I wasn’t a 'real' producer because when people asked what I used for recording and I said FL Studio and Adobe, they’d look at me like I was dumb or amateur. It might have been my own insecurity, who knows. A few years later, I got a copy of Pro Tools and was hugely disappointed. I remember thinking, 'This is what everyone is using?' It seemed so counterintuitive compared to FL Studio.
Even though FL Studio couldn’t record audio at the time (which is why I used the Adobe combo), I could program drums and patterns in FL and then import them into Adobe for recording. I tried other DAWs like Cubase, Cakewalk, and Sony Acid, but nothing felt as intuitive as FL Studio. Around 2008-2010, I noticed people producing hits in FL Studio, and the rap community started respecting it. Now, FL Studio is incredibly powerful, and I’m glad I stuck with it.
All innovators get hated on. People bond over their fears
the computer made it better for the non having much of money.....but i still fuck with my mpc and keyboard plug ins and i still get that hiphop flavor that keeps me grounded in it...
NOT SUPPOSED TO HATE ANOTHER MANS HUSTLE. YOU TAKING FOOD OFF THE TABLE. 💀
The first rap song came from a dude from North Carolina, and the first producer to break using fruity loops seriously was also from North Carolina.
People can hate on 9th all they want but the fact is that man is a top 10 producer period.
Losers are people that cant do but critique what u do.
When all you have is a laptop and a microphone, it pushes you to really get into what little you have and use them to their fullest potential
plus I just don't really have the budget or space for everything else
I never knew them hits was made with fl studio. I hated on it at first until I got it. I love it now and I still love hardware
Let’s just be honest, hardware is completely absurd and unnecessary at this point, how obnoxiously expensive and difficult it was to get your hands on things like mpc’s is the reason why I could never really start creating music on my own until I got much older and the technology allowed for it
9th wonder has been my favorite producer for years reason I started making beats in middle school on fl studio having no idea he started using that same program amazing to discover on this video thank you 👏
Are used to use a MPC 2000 XL and a Yamaha motif XS6. I used this set up for years and stood by it until I checked out logic Pro X in 2013 and used it and I never looked back. 😆 I took my production to a whole different level.
Even when using a computer for beats back in the day Fruity loops was looked down on compared to Reason or other DAW’s. But it was because “Loops” is in the title maybe “Fruity” didn’t help also lol.
I remember in 1999 I got chatting on my break with this nerdy colleague about making music. I was using Hiphip ejay 2 😂. The dude told me about this new digital audio workstation called Fruity Loops and actually hooked me up with a bootleg CD later that week. I remember thinking that the sky was the limit. Even back then there were haters talking about Reason or protools (Dr Dre uses protools - kids talk) being better and fruity loops was a gimmick but it was no different to playstation vs xbox nonsense.
Ppl get mad when you find a way to make shit easier, and money is a top one.
Crazy because 9th Wonder is literally my favorite producer of all time. People gotta stop judging books by their cover
Im most curious which monitor speakers he used. Anyway, i remember talking to this kid way back in early 2000s and he said, "Fruity Loops is too 'housy' for me.". He must have been confused by the 140bpm default and stock sounds as if he never thought to change the bpm or acquire drum samples from other sources. People are just dumb sometimes. Thats back when everyone thought if you were to produce on a comp that you need to use a Mac.
3:40 the hear to hear that and flip it the way he did is what separates them from us
Can you speak on how Justice made their "Cross" album using early Garageband and Cubase in the mid 2000's era of DAW's? Even how the album still sounds epic to this day.🎧✌🏾
9th God Step Son album was DOPE, thank you for that masterpiece 9th!. Legend!
This is easily in my opinion the best song deconstruction channels. Great content!
I use ableton, but with it i use Yamaha keyboard for differend sounds and Akai MPX8 for drums and samples. Ain't got no money for MPC i want so i use what i get make it work with Ableton or MPC Beats. Gear won't matter, it's your mind and how you overcome problems. :)
I love your videos coz they come with demonstrations 🙌🏽🙏🏾✔️
This is an interesting conversation to be having in 2024. Its been acceptable to make music via software for some time now. FL Studio might be the most used software in the industry for hip hop at this point.
Madlib said recently on Sway he uses an Ipad for 10+ years...whoever thinks its whatever than genius,can just look up what madlib put out since hes been using that Ipad
shits nuts...its the guy behind it ,not the 'tool'
nice video,enjoyed watching it
I started making beats with a tracker program named Med on an amiga 500, nowadays, I start chopping the sample on a laptop with edison and propellerhead recycle and finish the whole thing on my phone or tablet using caustic audio editor.
9th made it cool for all of us!
FL introduced so many people to the game
'is she the reason' is a personal 9th gem from that DC album
There's no doubt that fl might be the strongest daw for producing nowadays but back then it was the early 2000s and producing and mixing in the box was still laughed at
i thought i was the most hated. but i guess someone took my crown.
They are going to do same with A.I and then years later they be all over it and loving it. The way I see it, whenever I hear lots of people hating on something or someone, I know that something or someone is onto a winner. Within reason and the context. Haters are a distraction, brewed up with them wanting us to be like the status quo. People want to believe in dreams happen but not for someone else, but for them.
if FL wasnt called "fruity loops", didnt have such a "soft" looking visual interface and didnt open to those terrible 4 default drum sounds i think things would have been pretty different.
I remember early 2002 I was using FL my first gateway computer to mix accapella to instrumental of different songs
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 🥂, it’s not the tool, it’s the builder
9th is the damn goat!!!
his tapes are LEGENDARY!!!
FruityLoops 3.5 , I remember they used to bash us for using fl studio. I first started using fl studio 3.1 back in 2002
I would like to have the opportunity to describe myself in terms of why I would be one of the people “hating” on what some would call “bedroom producers”
Now, before I proceed I’m not someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. I am not a boomer, and I have been making music for about 8 years now and my opinion stems from that.
My issue is with producers who ONLY use their laptop. Let me try and explain what I mean:
As producers, you should use EVERY tool available - Omnisphere, etc. but a lot of music producers will learn about ghost notes and rely on just their piano roll on fl studio. And that’s it. That’s ALL their knowledge - something on a computer screen. There isn’t many transferable skills doing JUST that.
If I placed a piano in front of you. Can you even play the melodies? Most producers I have spoken to say no, most of em have admitted to not being able to play with 2 hands…
A MUSIC PRODUCER SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRODUCE MUSIC. You should be aiming to pick up a guitar and learning how to create unique, ROYALTY free melodies.. not sampling the same thing everybody else is sampling.. that’s why our market is oversaturated with mediocre beats
imho the best producers know how to incorporate the new technology, but utilise the old methods to. Knowing how to really switch the sound up and be creative is a big advantage to getting your music heard on a wide scale - but unfortunately most people just re-release the same almost identical type beats and expect it to do numbers lol
But whatever they want to do, is their choice. I ain’t gonna kick em for doing what they think is best. I just don’t personally agree with it
Lol my boy introduced me to this program when it just came out. I used it until part 3 then switched to reason because my computer couldn't handle the graphics 😂
4:50 this producer scene
The majority of people hating on fl studio producers have no understanding of how to even utilize fl studio and make good music it's not what you use it's how you use it
I even had a music TEACHER at College give me shit for using FL Studio. I'd rather use FL Studio than Cubase that shit is awful
9th was right. As an artist or musician, you learn through experience that it’s never the gear, it’s how you use it.
Its just like why they would criticize you for making beats in a real regular studio,, when you can make beats with software 💁🤦
People will do or say anything to place themselves above others.
Either way works for me. What matters is the beat not the equipment.
Madlib made the No more Parties in LA beat on an iPad
As well as the entirety of Bandana
damn i thought it was busy works beatz (Still respect the guy fr)
Hardware, software, both, use whatever YOU like, end of debate.
Just as long as the person who makes Beats on the computer can recognize himself as a programmer more so than a musician, I as a artist who plays actual instruments have no problem.
If it works for you, great. I like to use hardware because of the feel, it is more of an organic workflow. Otherwise I could care less.
Threat 1 of my fav didn't no 9th made it interesting,also didn't know he caught the hate for using fl dats crazy
FL Studio been pissing people off since 1997 😂
9th is one of the greatest producers, period. 9th makes it look easy and that's what pisses some people off. They cannot do what he does and the output be on a level that others cannot just comprehend. FL is accessible, but that doesn't mean people know how to bend it to their will. It's like making sniper rifles free on the market, no background check, no license, and everyone that gets one thinks they can now hit a moving target 1000 yards away. That's the difference. Everyone can go out and buy a basketball for a few bucks, how many people are Jordan with that ball in their hand?
Dope breakdown very accurate imo
What about the classic computer cats with Fairlight CMI’s like Herbie Hancock and Kate Bush?
Why should we hate him?
People be hating so much nowdays
hardware is only relevant for the tradition, and the changes in sound are honestly much more indebted to the workflow of the hardware than any small audio deviance. i hate hardware fetishism
ALL those mentioned equipment have imbedded computers!! IYKYK
My brother was making beats on fruity loops in the early 2000s and studio techs and rappers used to laugh at me.