Rare Guns you've never heard of
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Every BF1 player knows the Hellriegel
😭
Yeah
I saw the thumbnail and its the only reason I clicked on lol.
@@colereiner5976
Same, but also for the random box. :)
Yea.. ranging from historical accurate players, cheaters, hackers and even soy boys
Who wouldn't know the Hellriegel M1915, the standard issue firearm for both Allied and Central powers in WW1, made in millions.
I cant tell if this is a joke but the hellriegel m1915 was only made into a few prototypes
@@jayb4305 It's a reference to Battlefield 1. Everyone and their mother is running around with the Hellriegel.
@@garmenlin5990 Aye, can confirm this is still the case lmao.
@@jayb4305 this comment is tongue in cheek clearly bc of battlefield 1. World War 1 was not really known for fully automatic guns being issued to every infantryman
really? I thought they all fielded the SMG 08/18.
Simple history has been really appealing to us gamers lately even including featuring the mystery box in the thumbnail, can't wait to see the real life version of the ray gun
It would be nice if they portrayed each gun accurately though. The models themselves are good, but seeing an M3/M3A1 shooting at 900 rpm hurts.
And that time they added Mason and Reznov in the gulag/vorkuta episodes
Huh?
@@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401 the thumbnail is the mystery box from call of duty zombies.
What a disaster
*In an alternate timeline, the Hellriegel was a standard issue weapon.*
Bf1 reference lmao
If that's the case, I'm a ww1 veteran in that timeline, confirmed hundreds of kills with the hellriegel, bomber planes, on horseback, and in an armored train
You mean the alternate timeline everyone has superhuman strengh?
For all armies.
@@fionasabre You have just misstook bf2042 with bf1
Some of these are well known.
The Type 100 is a requirement for any ww2 shooter taking place in the pacific and is the go to smg option for japanese factions like how the Thompson is the default american smg in said games or the mp 40 for the German faction.
The fg42 is the gun given to elite German units in video games taking place on the western front of ww2, usually in later missions as a way to convey fighting elite units and making the game harder.
The kolibri and hellrigel were made well known by BF1, the kolibri as a meme weapon and the hellrigel as being a very power weapon in the assault class, the federav automant also getting some noterity from that game but also the game hunt showdown where it is a unpredictable terror.
Yeah, video games made most "rare/prototype" WWII weapons commonly known because game devs sought out to include these kinds of weapons to distinguish their games from the competition in the early 2000s... until the weapons are so commonly used in the setting that they become tropes in and of themselves.
@@Madara8989 not only that but inorder to have a proper selection of guns for bf1 they had to grab a number of experimental or limited production/briefly used guns so that most classes didn't get forced to use a bolt action.
@@stevencolor3389 Which just kinda made the ww1 setting pointless imo, still enjoyed the game but that fact never left me.
The de Lisle is reasonably well known to Sniper Elite players too, since it's in SE4, and Valkyrie Arms was making a reproduction about a decade ago.
@@stevencolor3389 Yeah, that was the mindset behind needing to pull a bunch of experimental SMGs out of obscurity, I also agree with BorderlinePathetic's sentiment that about it rendering the WWI setting pretty moot.
Though it also kinda gave a new perspective of the whole series for some of us - DICE can't seem to design a FPS that's not just a reskin of the WWII-era combat (with choppers for a splash of 'Nam).
Case in point: SMGs (and high RoF ARs) are meta all the time, despite the fact that SMGs haven't been relevant outside the criminal & law enforcement circles since ballistic armor and weapon ranges of 300+ meters became the norm (the latter of which DICE has refused to acknowledge... ever; they seem to think war is still fought at the 50m average ranges of WWII combat).
Bf1 players *PTSD intensifies*
Literally came here to say BF1 prepared me for this video 😂
*HEAVY BREATHING*
@@3RiversRips oh the memories 🤣
Was just playing Battlefield 1 ten minutes ago
My ps4s hard drive broke so I lost everything
on bf1
Remember when Simple History uploaded content that weren't just compilations of their other videos?
Yeah....
or just full of "murrica did/does everything alone"-BS^^ (like most of their vids about ukraine for example^^) yeah i remember... those were the good old time of this channel...
It's not just the use of plastic and metal construction, the M60 is essentially an upgraded belt-fed FG42. For reference look for the US made T44 machine gun prototype.
Upgraded is a strong word choice.
@@neighbor-j-4737 I mean it is hard to call anything that is safe to say on TH-cam except upgraded.
@@emberfist8347
Lol, no of course...
I was just making the joke about how the M60 was kinda a dogshit adaptation until about the F model, which was almost an entirely different weapon. The FG42, while flawed, fulfilled its intended role better than derivitive, even five times refined, ever did.
@@neighbor-j-4737 That's true, the M60 had major issues. But the FG42 I'm not so sure it was that effective: its myth/legend and propaganda have obfuscated its true combat effectiveness.
gotta love when operation paperclip just, outs itself with a neato gun design
Weapons of WW2 are particularly interesting to learn about, just by the sheer advances in technology in such a short time
Yeah large scale war has a tendency to do that
Just look at what happened with rifles alone. In 1936-40, the M1 Garand was easily the most advanced infantry weapon fielded by any nation in the entire world. Only a few years later, it'd essentially be rendered outdated due to the MP-43/44 which ended up starting the end of the heavy caliber battle rifle and the beginning of the lighter caliber assault rifle becoming the standard infantry weapon worldwide to this very day.
At 16:00 the Volkssturmgewehr is translated as Peoples(Volk) Assaultrifle(Sturmgewehr). While this is correct in grammar, it’s name actually came from the Volkssturm(the Homeguard) Gewehr(Rifle). Meaning it’s the Rifle of the Homeguard, not an Assaultrifle. It’s a bit confusing since the Homeguard is named Volkssturm.
Edit: Timestamp correction
Jonathan Ferguson would be proud
I think the best translation would be Militia Rifle. Since its called (Volkssturm)gewehr, with the reference to the militia unit. And its semi auto only, so it can't be a assault rifle to begin with.
@@serch3ster Yes that’s what I thought. It makes sense in German cause Sturm can have different meanings depending on the context.
The word Volkssturm was only used 1944/45. Historicaly correct would have been Landsturm. In old days of HRE those levie units had been called also Landwehr, Landmiliz, Landesaufgebot, Landesdefension, Landfahnen ( Fähnlein was german word for company or battalion used before french language was international langue) etc..
@@brittakriep2938 Yes, but the rifle was also developed at the end of the war. 5. November 1944 was start of production, while the Volkssturm was founded at the 18. October 1944.
I learned from video games:
Japanese soldiers were mostly issued Type 100s and didn't fire a single shot, but did a bayonet charge against everything because the health regeneration is too fast for those puny bullets.
And WaW was one of the better Call of Dutys...
Cap
I love waw because it's the only one my dad will play with me
in cod vanguard they were issued Mg42s and Stg44s
"What're you wearing?"
Man Armed with United Defense M42 wearing scarf, glasses, and Newsy Cap: "It's my butkicking outfit!"
The use of the De Lisle didn’t end with the end of W.W.II, the weapon went on to be used in both the Korean War and the Malayan Emergency, there’s also rumours that the British SAS made use of the weapon in the early days of the troubles in Northern Ireland.
Here’s another nobody has ever heard of even though it was officially adopted by the U.S. military, the Hyde-Inland SMG which was officially designated as the M2 SMG and was supposed to replace the M1 Thompson, only around 400 were ever produced, the contract was cancelled when the M3, an even cheaper design, came along.
Fun fact: The Hyde-M2 was actually really well made, but as you stated, it was expensive.
The early days of the troubles was right around the end of ww1
I think the most distinctive thing about the MAS-38 is its stock/recoil system. Rather than an inline path of travel for the bolt the '38's bolt reciprocates at an angle to the bore axis. The extra force required to push the bolt at an angle acts as a slight delay to lower the rate of fire and allows it to use a slightly lighter bolt than would be required from a more conventional action in the same cartridge.
It's a really interesting SMG from the design perspective. Easily in the top 5 most unique SMGs of its era.
“Nobody has ever heard of the Hellreigel”
Unless if you’re a Battlefield 1 player
You guys should do a video on the M30 Luftwaffe Drilling. It has a very interesting history.
Um, not that interesting, neither the gun nor it's history, drillings were and to a degree still are common weapons in Europe for hunting, and an avid hunter is the reason for the luftwaffe drilling being rather stupidly selected. It reminds me of the later US airforce survival bizarrogun in it's level of oddness in some ways.
@@noth606 - I still like it and the concept of Drilling Shotguns as a whole, adds even more versatility than you normally would see from the 12 gauge by adding a rifle to the mix.
Rare guns you've never heard of, The FG-42. Probably one of the most popular rifles of the Germans arsenal.
No most recognise the MG42, a crewserved machinegun.The FG42 is the paratrooper version with bipod and shorter barrel
@@JosephDawson1986 I mean popular as popular among people who like guns. I've never met someone who didn't know of the FG-42 that was into firearms. The Gewehr 43 would've been a better choice.
I've seen a lot of these in games. They're so unique and fun to play around with
This video should have featured an animated Ian McCollum 🤣
The Austrian inventor: "You know what? I'm done with these pocket watches, I'm inventing a pocket pistol!"
This was SUCH a fantastic video. Forgotten Weapons might be my favorite channel and this is a top notch compliment to that content
Very interesting and informative video. Loved the touch with the C.o.D zombies mystery box in the thumbnail. ;)
I played Bf1, CoD WaW and Sniper Elite. I knew every gun
everyone did, except the ppl at the infographics show apparently...
26:28 a 39.5mm case? That's one HUGE pistol cartridge!
Yeah they definitely needed that breakaction design, Its huge.
But it also makes sense - it uses a captive piston cartridge design, in addition to pushing a massive dart through water at lethal velocities. Gotta be huge to be effective.
Just putting together fragments of two videos from 2 years ago, you are a genius
All the BF1 players mention the Hellreigel, but OGs remember the WaW Type 100, FG-42 and Type 99
True OG'S REMEMBER COD FRONTLINE, RAISING SUN AND EUROPEA ASSAULT
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You did GREAT with this production. Only one firearm I had not known about. Please tell everyone involved. Thank You.
Hiya, could you guys do a video about the Merkava tank? You've featured it once in your video which talks about strange tank features. I am very intrigued!
Nice work, and cheers guys.
It’s crazy how many of these weapons I know because of playing early call of duties or various battlefields. Great video!
most of them are pretty known, i recommend zb vz26 or Mors wz39 for part 2. Anyway great video
I love the de lisle carbine, it’s so unique and ahead of its time, I would to own one and hang it on my wall
I have a reproduction one, and yes it is that quiet
@@spudhunt01 How much did it cost and where did you get it? I want one lmao
@@ricedbroccoli gunsmith here in NZ was making them to original designs. Slightly modified though but you can't tell
Only did a limited run of 14
I was curious how rare and costly the MAS-38 is. RIA says one auctioned for 6900 USD in 2017. That's really cheap for an NFA weapon, even back then.
Not much demand for it compared to other more cool weapons.
@@emberfist8347 Depends on what you want it for. I have a bunch of guns that I don’t use much compared to others, I just like tinkering with some and bringing them out occasionally.
For a rare collector’s piece, it’s already a great price. Factor in that it’s also an NFA item and it’s a deal.
Only other registered fully automatic automatics around that price are 🗑️ Macs. Even a DIAS, a little chunk of metal, is going for 20k+ now.
People have they’re tastes. I’ve got Glocks, wheel guns, ARs, AKs.. everyone has different tastes 🤷♂️
@@brian954 I honestly would say "cool" belonged in quotes. It is honestly a gun only known to the people that want it.
@@emberfist8347 Historical, rare, NFA weapons are pretty cool to a lot of people.
I’ll remember anytime I share my opinions anywhere from here on out to put them in quotes though so some guy in TH-cam comments is appeased.
I'd bet few people knew what it was or were in the market for it.
Gotta figure that RIA usually has the advertised big sellers to draw people in and many of the other lots are hit or miss.
I got so excited at first I thought it was like the the real life lore of the mystery box
I love your channel. Another great video
Then again, if the Kolibri was meant to be carried in a handbag, 9 times out of 10 any self defence engagement would usually be within arms reach. So technically it didn’t need to be rifled.
Exactly why rifle a handgun that bullet cant even pen a leathercoat
Not gonna hurt anything other than someone's feelings in either case. A very dangerous weapon indeed in that anyone shot with it may become irrational and resort to violence after 2/3 of a bb bounces off of their forehead lol.
It’s only use as a defensive weapon is the fact that it looks like a gun and may go bang.
simple history I love your videos at some point in the future could you do a video on the tdr1 which was a assault drown in World War II used by the Allies
People can’t figure out how the hellriegel works as a blowback weapon but I think it’s cause the gas block is also the sides of the mag well. It would make sense that it has double sided gas transference as the 2 prongs sticking out of the back are it’s buffer springs, 2 spots for the gas to blowout=2 springs for retention Using 2 also allowed them to be smaller to fit the sub machine gun profile
Isnt the Type 100 in like, literally every WWII game that covers Japan?
Pretty sure the FG42 is also reletavely well known too. I even heard a *bus driver* talking about with with a passenger before.
Not to mention that Battlefield 1 made knowledge of the Kolibri mainstream, and I never even played the game.
The Kolibri is the world record holder for the smallest handgun ever put in to production so it was pretty well known even prior to BF1.
It might not have been mainstream knowledge per se, but still, it was far from obscure.
When I was 13, back in the late 60’s, a friend of my fathers brought out a 7.7mm Japanese rifle just like the one shown in the video to use deer hunting. It was the earlier fully adorned one with the adjustable sight. It had a little kick to it. Deer were scarce back then compared to now. Bucks only. I did not get a chance to get one.
Where did you live? I was born in 86….. never shot a doe…. Bucks must have a minimum of 3 tines on one side to be legal. My first was a wide 4x4 at 8 years old (we don’t count eye guards)
You tried hunting Deer with a military rifle?!
@@jordandino417 it’s not that unusual, a lot of aisakas were “sporterized” for that exact purpose.
That thumbnail now makes me wonder what a Hellreigel wonder weapon would be like in CoD Zombies
BF1 players getting PTSD when the Hellriegel is mentioned.
PTSD*
Nice work simple history
The mystery box thumbnail is gold
I was expecting a guest appearance from Gun Jesus (Ian).
We have a Naambu 8mm, very fun (when it runs) The MAS 38 might be rare but its one of the cheapest priced sub mg, around $6k
5:30 The operating system went into the M60, too. Unique operating system, solves at least two of the Luftwaffe design requirements in one fell swoop, all while being about the only German gun that's actually simple. Louis Stange was a genius.
Not simple at all. It is designed to use both a closed bolt and open bolt depending on the setting the gun is on. That is needlessly complex even by German standards. There is a claim the Heer wasn’t willing to work on the project because it only existed in Utopia.
@@emberfist8347 Do you know the actual mechanism or are you just hearing that it fires from the closed bolt in semi-auto and the open bolt in full-auto and assuming that there's no other way to do that than complexity?
The MP40 and K98 are about as simple as you can get lol
@@smorrow I know the actual mechanism need to do something like that would be more complex than needed. Using two different modes like is always a complicated design. Since you need incorporate parts that allow it to be locked in battery in both closed and open bolt modes.
@@emberfist8347 Hint: The "closed" bolt when firing from closed on the FG is really more like "not all the way open". Switching from full to semi just translates the sear laterally so it's engaged with a different notch on the operating rod (oh, and brings in the involvement of a disconnector, because of course). The weird selector switch (where you pull it out first, then pivot) is an artefact of this.
As a person named after the founder of Marlin, thank you for bringing up the UD 42, (my dad is also named John Marlin)
I like the Cod Zombie mystery box reference 😁
Everyone who's played the fantastic _Return to Castle Wolfenstein_ is intimately familiar with the FG-42.
Is it a good game?
@@turkicslav5562 _Return to Castle Wolfenstein?_ Yeah, it's an excellent game, and among fans of the franchise, it's widely recognized as the best game in the franchise.
love your videos
Call duty zombies mystery box was a nice touch
I'm surprised that the Japanese copy of the garand didn't make it into this video if I'm not mistaken it was called the type 2 rifle.
No it was called the Type 4.
@@emberfist8347 ah ok thank you for the correction it's been a while since I heard the name of it or looked into the rifle
@emberfist8347 Did you also realize that the rifle is in battlefield 1943 for the Japanese rifleman class
@@glennpruess6936 I did that game is one of the only reasons people know of the rifle even though they never adopted it.
27:44 Not true, the darts in the H&K P11 are in a five shot module and that module can be replaced.
(Reloading that module must be done at the factory.)
i live for these videos just nice and simple
I loveee the De Lisle Carbine, such an odd gun for what it is, but commandos could probably get tonssss of work done with it.
I love the fg-42
Same. If continued production after the war, I think the system could’ve been a rival for the FAL if it was chambered in a lighter cartridge like 7.62 NATO.
Amazing lil documentary
Simple history: rare weapons you have never heard of
CoD/BF fans: Been there, done that
Rare guns you've never heard of!
*Looks at the thumbnail*
Battlefield 1 flashbacks kick in:
I have a "last ditch" Type 99 my wife's grandfather gave me before he passed in 2021. It's so unique, because it has the name of the U.S. service members name, date and location engraved with a knife on the stock of the rifle. It say's (from what I can read, its old) "Akin, Joseph Yokosuka, Japan SEPT 5, 1945.
The name on the rifle is not my wife's grandfathers name.
I miss Yokosuka
BF1 memes are just timeless tbh.
Really nice reference with the thumbnail!!!
I like how almost, if not all of these guns are well known because of video games.
I really like the look of the MAS-38, reminds me of a midpoint between the MP40 and the STG. Wish it'd turn up in a game.
It was in CoD 2: Big Red One in the first Africa level since that was the US vs Axis enlisted French soldiers
It’s also in Call of Duty WWII
@@Darthoblivion24You mean Vichy France?
4:20 i’ve seen this footage another video you’ve made I can’t recall which video but I remember the scenery and the Frenchman.
The DeLisle! I remember using that in the game Armed and Dangerous!
The FG-42 is a bit of a strange pick here...i think most people into WW2 weaponry will have heard of it.
FG 42 is beautiful 😍
Any M1919 browning as well as any stinger easily could’ve been fit with a sling for upper body support as well as a sort of chainsaw handle style grip on top to enable mobility while firing. Accuracy would have been egregious but who needs to be accurate when you can strike terror into your enemies
BF1 was such a good game.
Sidenote, my friend has an original sten (full auto and all). He got it from a family member who took it as a war trophy. The ATF does not know about it lmao although I do believe there might be a way for him to grandfather the gun. Still a very cool firearm. Literally an angry fencepost.
Did you know that the type 100 has the same fire rate as the ppsh in WAW? Underated weapon tbh
Almost every japanese soldier in WAW had the type 100
Anyone who played CoD WaW on Veteran knows and fears the Type 100
I don’t play on Veteran but every time I played Semper Fi I went for the Type 100 instead of the M1 it is so much more fun.
@@emberfist8347 Trust me, you so much as leave cover on Veteran in those levels, you get dropped in half a second. That's how fast that gun kills you.
sheesh, you guys make amazing videos!
Love the relation to the Hellriegel 1915 in the mystery box that's a custom modded weapon from custom zombies, I see that you're a custom zombies fan for whoever made the thumbnail!
One "Rare Gun" I was hoping you would cover here is the Dardick Model 1500. Designed by David Dardick in the late 1950's, it used triangular shaped ammunition called "trounds." According to Wikipedia, this innovation ". . . allowed the firearm's chamber to be open on one side, removing the requirement for reciprocating motion when chambering and ejecting a cartridge." Hopefully, Simple History will cover this oft-overlooked weapon and its designer in a future video.
That said, I found this video to be interesting and informative - as are most Simple History videos.
That revolver was actually a proof-of-concept for an autocannon with .50-calibre trounds. There's a video of that on TH-cam.
th-cam.com/video/psrZXa2WeQE/w-d-xo.html
Forgotten Weapons - Dardick model 1500
Ian is amazing for "forgotten weapons" and has some really obscure weapons on his channel.
@@BorderlinePathetic Thank you. I've never seen a detailed review of the Dardick 1500, before.
@@BorderlinePathetic He is the way and the light, except sometimes the light is just muzzle flash.
@@smorrow Praise Gun Jesus
Anything made by Marlin is quality
Any 9mm smg is good lol, why did we do away with the 50 round double mags?
New Title: "Rare guns the infographics show never heard of, but are known to every gamer on earth!"
That Kolibri wasn't a gun, was a free sample!😂
That thumbnail though 🔥
Cod WW2 has a lot of these and I still play with them to this day!!
Dude same!
The Hellriegel and even the Nambu Type 1(2A) are like obscure weapons that haven't even fully built beyond the concept stage...
- Read the title
- Saw the thumbnail
- "Okay you're lying. It's a damn Hellriegel"
France didn't want to waste money on the MAS38 as they'd rather spend that entertaining the Germans after the surrendered.
Not that they had money to begin with. France was economically still in the Great Depression and had struggles to mobilize the economy for war.
CoD Zombeis reference spotted
I love all the call of duty WAW/black ops references among this channel's videos
So when I went to France a few years ago, we took a day trip to Normandie. Some where on the beach, about a football field from shore (that beach is just like it is depicted in movies, it's crazy how long it goes for. Never seen any thing else like it)
I would love if these firearms gone back into production.
It would be cool to do a history of night vision technology video. I have a pair of Tabby night vision binoculars and there’s not too much information on them compared to later versions
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"you may not have heard of the type 100 or the FG42"
Call of duty world at war players: observe
The UDM42 looks so similar to the Thompson.
It’s like a unique and special variant Thompson chambered in 9mil.
Huh. Isn't this just a stream collection of previous videos of rare weapons Simple History covered?
Pretty much what a lot of their videos have been lately.
They might be rare, but not unheard of, all have appeared in modern 1st & 3rd person shooters.
Imagine ur a normal civilian and when you look up you see german paratroopers raining flammes down on you while mid parachute
2:17
>Simplifies SMG due to cutting costs
>accidentally creates better SMG
>"That wasn't supposed to happen"
Ah man the APS underwater pistol and assault rifle, totally gave me flash backs of playing deltaforce 2.
the delisle carbine is such a looker ,one of the most beautiful weapons in my op🐯
I love the Mystery Box on the thumbnail lol
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