What Moves You Will Move the World | Jocko Willink | EP 420
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- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with retired Navy SEAL, author, speaker, and podcaster, Jocko Willink. They discuss Jocko’s new speaking tour, the catharsis and upward momentum gained from genuine connection, the morality of a soldier, what a real leader is, and how to become one yourself.
Jocko Willink is a retired U.S. Navy SEAL officer, co-author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win, Dichotomy of Leadership, host of the top-rated Jocko Podcast, and co-founder of Echelon Front, where he serves as Chief Executive Officer, leadership instructor, speaker, and strategic advisor. Jocko spent 20 years in the SEAL Teams, starting as an enlisted SEAL and rising through the ranks to become a SEAL officer. As commander of SEAL Team Three’s Task Unit Bruiser during the battle of Ramadi, he orchestrated SEAL operations that helped the “Ready First” Brigade of the U.S. Army’s First Armored Division bring stability to the violent, war-torn city. Task Unit Bruiser became the most highly decorated Special Operations Unit of the Iraq War.
This episode was recorded on December 29th, 2023
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(0:00) Tour Update 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:20) Intro
(3:40) Jocko on tour
(6:46) PTSD, regret, and dealing with dramatic mistakes
(12:34) Extreme Ownership
(15:11) The fundamental attribution error
(16:48) When to discipline your child
(18:04) Why matters more than what
(19:08) Meet and greets, lecturing, live Q&A’s
(30:28) The real thing, Vivek Ramaswamy, Donald Trump
(32:32) Relaxation is not the greatest reward for success
(35:25) Know your prime motivators, the joy in helping others succeed
(39:07) Survival strategy, mosquitos versus humans
(45:39) Sacrifice and investment creates heightened returns
(50:31) “Intent has a smell”
(53:14) Your guiding star will manifest itself in everything you do
(56:31) Everyone sees what you’re doing
(59:56) How to get people to listen to you
(1:06:04) The fourth law of combat leadership
(1:07:29) Group division arises from ego
(1:10:04) The antithesis to power and force
(1:14:29) Psychological reactance
(1:17:04) the narrative theme of nearly all female pornography
(1:18:07) All traits become toxic if taken to an extreme
(1:20:09) Virtue is not reducible to one aspect
(1:23:40) Leadership is like woodworking
(1:26:16) Knowing when to let others communicate for you
(1:30:36) Self-consciousness is a facet of negative emotion
(1:35:11) The authoritarian mindset within the military
(1:39:21) Skimming, culture, and openness
(1:43:53) Leaving Bill Maher speechless, ARC
(1:45:54) How the military prioritizes targets
(1:48:00) Understand the why, and lead by invitation
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Jordan: Clean your damn room.
Jocko: at 4:00 a.m.
His watch, the same Ironman watch he tweets out every morning.
hahahahahaha
It’s a goddamnd good time to rearrange your flat or tidying up everything. Only my neighbors s*cks lol 😂🤷♂️
David Goggins: And make sure to do no less than 974 pull-ups after you're done 😂
Jocko looking constipated AF....😂😂
“Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.”
- Marcus Aurelius
I'd love to see Jordan and Marcus Aurelius do a podcast together ... if only Marcus were still alive 😭😅
AI Marcus to keep us on track 😅
@brianbachmeier34 - I just shared that quote with my grandson. He's a good young man.
Good is subjective. Nazis thought they were good. Liberals who want to mutilate genitals think they are good guys.
I like Stoics. It’s a cool quote. But it implies we all seek the same good.
Jacko's arms won wars...
This should be called Reacher and the preacher
Underrated af 😂
😂😂😂😂 love it
😂
Just finished watching Jack Reacher. 😁
lol
The fact that we can listen to this essentially for free is revolutionary.
Amen. We are watching philosophers, the Socrates of our time.
Time buddy. We are paying for it with our Time. Investing time. Vs spending it 🫂
And watching commercials
thats honestly the worst part.. the commercials are PART of the videos now..i get it, everyone wants to get paid.. but when you pay for YT Premium and STILL have to watch ads... really makes me second guess my subscription...@@genekookang8935
The price is we are all on a Government watch list deemed intellectuals.
For those who are fatherless, those 2 men are good examples to follow and thrive
Education is the best father and the best mother.
Both are leaders to follow, especially we fathers of sons and daughters
Both remain with their heads screwed tightly on.
Wow, they are both really high.
Yes, the kid will learn how to talk for an hour without saying anything
Never clicked on a podcast so quick. A Scholar and a Warrior (truth be told, there's an element of each within either man) both unite in Truth and Courage. The full embodiment of the healthy masculine spirits that stand up against tyranny and chaos
@@cjjohnson7095 I wasn;t understimating Jocko's brain power at all, the opposite actually. Which is the foundation of their message of the proper leadership that Jocko preaches and embodies. You don't just become a platoon commander of two joint unit task forces of SEALS by shear brute force and top down enforcement. Jocko's intelligence and understanding of human behaviors (especially under stress) supersedes the average person, but he also can take the average Joe out via combat if necessary.
damn this comment is gay
Jocko is very unpopular in the SEAL community
@@dundabird3203 your mother did not love you, did she?
@@dundabird3203 I don't believe it
Jocko and Jordan.. What an epic duo.. The absolute thinker and the absolute doer.. We're here for it.
None of them is an absolute anything. Still, a good conversation. (Jocko Willink is a writer and a thinker as much as a doer for example.)
@@xyxy5978 You make a valid point
The exact opposite of who you’d expect as a guest for episode 420.
Snoop Dog had a prior engagement.
My thoughts
We could expect him on episode 430
The exact opposite of 420 is exactly what this country needs.
Cause this guest is dope
“A leader is best when people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, who talks little, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, They will say, “We did this ourselves.” -Lao Tzu
yeah, tell me about it
and you can never expect anyone to remember what you did and help you when you need it either
its why im done with the world
ya'll can kiss my ass
@@wrongfootmcgee that is a very bad attitude
Oh God, a ridiculous Chinese fake quote 😂. Actually get to know the Chinese, you will find they have a lot of growing up to do.
@@wrongfootmcgeeOh God a whiner.
That is a good definition of what a leader should aspire to be that we should try to be like too, however what we presently see happening around the world of humans is bad leadership (Globalists), bad managers (Presidents) who do the orders from bad leaders, and people who blindly or unquestionably follow these bad managers. If more people would practice what Lao Tzu advise and do leadership not only for ego reasons then maybe the world of humans can grow into a system that's more ethical and more beneficial to participate in.
When Jocko was talking about the mutual connection, I literally broke into tears... I have alone felt alone my whole life. Being on my on since 16 has had its challenges.
Podcasts and good genuine human beings have been my only companion through my darkness. .. but I'm a recovering addict who have given up smoking and who is back to fitness everyday and becoming more and more a person I can be proud to be
Thank you
Good job man!
good for you, brother
@michaelsiegfried3878 thanks man....everyday day I get stronger. I truly believe that if I can do it....anyone can
@admtech69 thanks buddy! Means a lot bro
Keep it up. 💪🏻
Jordan, just wanted to tell you, that you were ON FIRE last night in Providence! My partner and I were in the 2nd row. I was wearing the red lobster tie during meet and greet. Unbelievable experience. Thank you.
Thats awesome. How would you describe the talk?!
@BLAISEDAHL96 it was electrifying, engaging, authentic, and motivational, to say the least. Having consumed just about every piece of peterson content available, I'd assumed the kickoff to this tour might be a bit scattered, but he was very much on the ball and came out swinging for the fences! The conclusion was an explosive, no... a thunderous standing ovation! If you haven't decided whether it's worth the money to go? Spend the money! You will NOT regret it.
@cjjohnson7095 his opening statement was something like "whether you realize it or not, we are all wrestling with God."
@@cormQerTHEworlddo you think it will be as easily accessible for someone less versed in his work? What were some of the topics? Debating on getting tickets as he’s coming to my state soon.
Makes me wanna see ya, in Phx - JBP
2 guys that changed my life in 1 podcast. Much respect to you both.
I'm a 32 year old man that has worked in mental hospitals. I'm an avid JBP fan, and there are many struggling young men that I have shared his pearls of wisdom with, and it always seemed helpful. Except for one patient, he seemed to already know what I was emanating about JBP. He was avid about me looking up Jocko Willink, and studying some of his concepts. I never got around to consuming content in time to share any of it with him. This one's for you bud 💯
Holy cow it's Christmas in February!
I love hearing Jordan Peterson speak. I wish Jocko, the guest, spoke more....
My first impression from this episode is “gosh, Jocko is quite a wonderful listener…”
Well, it's hard to talk if Jordan keeps going and going....
While I completely agree about wanting to hear more from Jocko here, listening more and talking less is one of Jocko's principals of leadership.
He puts out four or more hours of podcasts a week if you want to hear mote
yes! Jordan talked way too much
You could no doubt run a country with their combined knowledge.
Jordan/Jocko2024?
@@armouredjester1622that would be fascinating
@@armouredjester1622 both he said
It's being run by far less!
Thank you Peterson, I was a nobody 8 years ago when I stumbled upon your lectures at a low point in my life. Now I've started two companies both with successful exits. Telling the truth, adopting responsibility, and aiming upward toward the highest good. It just works.
Nice!
Then you woke up
@@user-gf5nu9os2n haha, wide awake here.
@@user-gf5nu9os2n haha, I’m wide awake.
Can’t wait to see Dr. Peterson next month in Phoenix.
Are tickets still available?
As much of this type content I consume, I’m rather shocked that this is my first introduction to Jocko. And at 28 minutes in, I have to say that I’ve got another new favorite.
Jocko is something else, his background as a seal is remarkable. He has his own “Jocko Podcast” which there are an incredible number of profound conversations & stories to be found.
The first podcast Jocko was ever on is his 2015 appearance on the Tim Ferriss show. I would recommend giving that a listen.
@@BLAISEDAHL96 I absolutely will!! Thank you for replying!!
I came across them both about the same time, saw a couple of short things from each. I can't remember which of the two I was looking up to find more of, but I found an early Jocko Podcast with Peterson as his guest. I watched it and immediately became a huge fan of both of them.
I think it was this episode that I'm linking below or possibly Jocko Podcast Episode 112 that I first saw (one of the first two times they talked). I think Jordan has been on Jocko's show three times, and now Jocko's been on Jordan's about the same number of times. th-cam.com/video/23dArPpXgCM/w-d-xo.html
And yes, as others have said, you'll definitely want to check out more of Jocko. He's outstanding!
Get the Discipline Equal Freedom. Beautiful book of man poetry. Then listen to Jocko read it. Don’t worry if Your balls drop a bit. That’s normal.
@@tinytim71301 thank you for the recommendation thrash metal head. Testament is my underrated favorite.
At 4 minutes in I can say I have already been preaching this at my corporate job. The most manipulative and least best to lead are those that seemed to get into leadership and corporate America.
Its so annoying when that happens in the military. Its like having a professor that never did a day's work in his field. He is there because he can't make it out in civilian life and managed to stick around the longest ( ie. He was a paperpusher, maybe never deployed anywhere, his knees still work and his back aint broke)
@@cjjohnson7095 A whole lot more trying to be there in middle management
Yep
It’s like that in the military also. Bullied in school i enlisted thinking it would be different but it just ended up being the same azzholes just in a uniform now. After 22 years it ended up being a cool kids club where the useless ones with manipulative personalities and a pretty smile got promoted, and fast.
I would watch them slack off and not do their job then leaving it for the next shift to pick up and it would be viewed as “leadership, he gets others to do his work for him”. Boom achievement medal or commendation medal then promotion.
It’s 100x worse in the officer ranks where they become sniveling yuppies claiming credit for things they never even touched and then become worthless politician yes men with stars on the collar.
It’s bad in the military too, likely worse because that’s where you want the qualified manning the guns not miss congeniality.
I lived in a corporate company entry level position; the ones who get promoted are the ones who are not the best qualified, it's the ones who kiss ass and don't have a IQ level of 101
Now it's only a matter of time until Jordan Peterson does a podcast with David Goggins...
“If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.”Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. Thank you for this conversation 💪
Two great men in one place. What a blessing!
Two of my favorite minds together again. Philosopher and Warrior
This is like my dad an therapist talking to each other
Jordan's innocence in being transparent about his thoughts and passion on the subject is the irrefutable proof of his honesty and authenticity.
Love to hear it!
My children are at the age where they explore on their own without me there. I continuously get compliments from the parents of the children they play with about how kind, respectful, and polite my daughters are. I don't take much pride in things, but every single time I hear that from another parent, my heart balloons with joy and contentment. ❤
I have gotten a lot of slack for being a stay at home parent throughout the years from my own peers & family members. I stick it out and still only work occasionally, because I've learned from my own childhood that if a competent adult was present before and after school to help me grow, I would've been able to take on challenges better than I had in my young adult life.
My goals aren't material. They are maternal. ❤
I loved reading this so much. Thank you for sharing. “My goals aren’t material. They are maternal.” …That was so well said! I decided that a while back, even without children. Especially as women, we need to define our own measurement of success, instead of just absorbing the world’s goals, which tend to be more masculine. (And that’s totally ok, it just is.) So many of us just internalize what the world says is important. For example, I decided at a certain point some years ago, that I would rather not have a brand new car, work less, and have more time and space to be a peaceful, non-stressed force in the life’s of my friends, family, and anyone I’m of service to. Thank you for being a stay at home mom. Our most important resource as a country is having securely attached good kids that turn into good adults. 💗
@leahrush8545 Good for you for taking care of yourself and knowing what is best for you! 🦋
Yes, we have an obsession in this country, especially in certain states, that "keeping up with the Jones's" is the main focus. Unfortunately, our children suffer in most of these circumstances.
Take care. Keep up the good work! 😊
Wish we had men like these leading my country
For a guy who's an all round badass and a scary giant, Jocko's smile lights up the whole room.
Ive been saving this one. I was being taught by a great teacher today. She had the quiet demeanor, the eye contact, the even tempered speaking voice. I was impressed. Some other students were immediately submissive and brown nosing. She wasnt moved. I had the pleasure of engaging her as an equal status student to teacher. So i knew it was time to listen to these great leaders. Soaking the wisdom all up 💪🔥
Finally someone succeeds in looking angrier than JP in the thumbnail
The physical presence and might of Jocko is matched equally by the intelligence and will of Jordan. Love these two guys.
Dr. JP giving me tools to heal my self-inflicted traumas again. Thank you sir. This was a big one. You are a miracle.
That is why there is the sacrament of confession
I haven't watched past a few minutes... what do you mean?
I love Jordan B Peterson. I'm almost 6 decades old and he still teaches me every video he makes. Jocko Willink is one of the most interesting people alive as well as a great 'MALE' model to live up to. AMAZING VIDEO!
Awesome to see these two great men speaking together in person!!
Awesome combination of two great men. Would also love to see Jordan and David Goggins have a discussion
Always enjoyed how deep the Jocko Podcast episodes with JBP were. So glad you're collaborating again. 🙂
I would love to see these two do more together. They could be such a force for positive change in people’s lives. Especially in a world where there is insufficient roll modeling. I love them both. Jocko for president!
These two helped me change my life around this year i get to celebrate 5 years without alcohol and 4 years of a being a plumber if your in a dark place definitely listen to what these men have to say you can change and life will get better
The first Jocko-Jordan podcast literally changed my life. It had an unbelievable effect on me.
🙏
*a believable
I am here at 6am listening during my workout.
Where in the world are you located? Somewhere in the pacific or something
I got chills the moment I seen this posted
Lifting up others is more rewarding than helping yourself
Jordan Peterson always explains the disadvantages of being agreeable but rarely talks about the disadvantages of being disagreeable.
I find some people who are being too disagreeable have problem in personal development because they don’t do stuff that they don’t want to do. Thus, skills in interpersonal relationship communication and self-care can’t be developed and the disagreeable people become too dependent.
I’m glad Jocko Willink mentioned having the balance is the way out.
The way Jocko does his tours proves his intent perfectly. The fact that before the show, during, and after, he immersed himself with the audience is amazing. He also makes sure he is available for everyone who would like to speak with him. I really love that he does this. He also does that because he wants to full stop. It was actually a little shamful to hear Jordan say that he does 15-second formal meet and greets and only for those who can pay extra on top of ticket price. People always think someone's lying when they say their intent is to help others. I think Jocko is an example that shuts down that idea very clearly in this conversation.
Yeah it sounds like JBP simply ran into logistical issues trying to make time for everyone, so his team streamlined the process for the live meet and greets and QAs. His audience is massive so it allows him to meet with more people and respond to the best questions.
Shameful seriously? Grow tf up. He has thousands of people to talk to you think he can give them each a bunch of time? There could be chaos without streamlining it
If Mr Jordan Peterson can see this comment I just want you to know you changed my life, and it will never be the same again. I’m confident and ready to handle life. You are amazing thank you for bringing my true self out into this world with confidence.
It was nice to hear a little bit more on the idea of "no difference between thinking about yourself and being miserable". I've been very curious about it since hearing it on Chris Williamson's conversation with JBP.
Mr Willink’s Book (Extreme Ownership) is actually sitting underneath my phone on my desk off to the side. What a coincidence.
Was very fortunate to have attended his "12 Rules for Life" tour a few years ago. So much has changed since then! Even though I didn't discover JBP until my early-40's, very grateful to have done so. Thank you for all of the great lessons Dr. Peterson!
2 of the bravest men alive. Thanks and God Bless you both.
Scholar and Warrior connect, deeply. What a blessing to the world. Thank you for making this happen and sharing you words with the world.
GRATEFUL AND BLESSED to make time to learn! u2 ROCK!
Love this! 2 great men keeping me sane!
Im humbled by this whole 420 podcast. I've learned so much about my own demons. Accountability is humbling. Faith & true leadership @ its best. Thank You Jordan & Jocko along with 4:33am Team
Thank God for men like Jordan and Jocko! We still have hope.
2 of my favorite people on the planet in one interview. I cant wait to see how this rolls out
I just realized for myself Jocko Willink book and here your video is coming out that's incredible.
I feel like people in my city need to hear you speak. I live in clovis new mexico and there is a lot of violence that happens here and its mostly people my age 18-20 and sometimes even younger that are either the cause or the victim of gun violence and other forms of violence and idk how much people here would come to see you and hear you speak but i sure would.
The best part of this video is the non-verbal communication dynamics between those two admirable men.
Love you and jocko together
0:4:36 knowledge plus understanding equals Wisdom. I would guess that's why people are drawn to both of you. Well all three, shout out to Mr Charles 🥰
I could listen to these 2 have a conversation every week until i die.... and beyond
congrats, Doc. The fact that you’re getting out with your next series is a great inspiration to everybody else, especially when we see what’s going on with you in your life.
And I can’t blame you for keeping your series below the border.
I just hope we get to see it online.
Thanks for everything you do. Best stuff ever.
Why did this have to drop the day I slept in and didn’t make my bed
To remind you to hold the line!
Love when JP hits the accelerator
Jocko is a MAN. Something that the country and world desperately need right now. God bless you both.
I love that this is an in-person interview. Changes the dynamic!
I'm looking forward to your academy Mr. Peterson, I've wanted to pursue psychology for a while and can't wait to see what you have in store for your school
I freaking love this show Jordan!
You have made TH-cam more than a decent place to be but a place to learn fun and exciting things.
I’m a business owner 4th generation and I rely on the inspiration I get from people like you to make it happen and carry it to my son when he’s ready to take it over. Just thank you thank you thank you on so many levels. Love you brother! 😊
My nickname was Caveman i came with very little and i was demoted and on extra duty for my first 45 days of employment. I took this as a badge of honor to show other my strength is when I'm weak praise be to God❤
the chemistry between them is good. they share the same views and understand each other’s points. the conversation between them is just flowing.
Lets freaking go!! Another excellent discussion.
Great interview! Jocko and Jordan complement each other very well.
Great news for your Tour! A great man with a great mind!
The best episodes I've seen from either Men are when they visit each other. This material is priceless. I hope to God these are handed down.
Jocko is the man.
annnnd Jordan is also the man. ❤
finally! another peterson/jocko collab!
01:03:33 - General Stanley McChrystal covered his experience implementing this distributed decision making in the Military in his book "Team of Teams".
Thanks For Another Great Video Thanks Dr. Peterson.....and thanks to Jocko..... much Respect From Anaheim California.....
Warrior poets, both of them in their own way.
Just the episode I needed for today👍👍
I got to ask you a question during the VIP Q&A at your Phoenix lecture about 28 months ago regarding how to overcome PTSD related to things people have done.
I work with an intensive inpatient military PTSD unit and many have returned from duty having done things they deeply regret. The answer you gave (which is covered in the first minutes of this episode) have subsequently helped many of my patients.
Thank you 🙏 so much for helping me to help others.
I’m looking forward to seeing you front and center in Sioux Falls in two weeks with my daughter.
Thank you again.
So excited to see Jordan tomorrow!
I cannot wait to see Dr. Peterson tomorrow evening ❤ very excited for this tour
I’m Jelous!
Yes a special moment hope it hits the mark for you ❤
@@carolinekerr9950 thank you! I'm 38 years old and have never gone anywhere or done anything without my parents or husband taking the lead....so, I see this as a worthy "adventure" for me to get myself there on my own, as embarrassing as it is to admit. But I know I have to, and it's thanks to JP's personality lectures and books that I finally understand this.
Your discussions involving leadership have been as useful as those on parenting and Mr. Willink has been a very interesting and informative guest. Could you two arrange another discussion to cover topics you guys didn't get to today?
Jocko on target. "Intent has a smell." Abso-frickin'-lutely! Appreciate your work, both of you!
The world needs more people like the both of you true to one's self much love and respect❤
This one deserves a second listen for sure
This is amazing! Thank you for this amazing episode. I bought my son Jocko’s children’s book. ❤ very happy with it.
These 2 talking together almost make the adds tolarable 2 legends right here 👌👌
This episode came at just the right time. I needed this
So good, I had to upvote twice!
I haven't seen a Jordan video recommendation this year. Not even notifications. Plus the censorship in the search bar.. We need to stop this virus.
I've listened to Jordan and Jocko for hundreds of hours each online. Always great to listen, learn and love the content. Great to see JP back in full stride. Best of health and success my friends.
Two of my favorite modern intellectuals, so awesome!
What an encounter of Titans!
Their kids should intermarry.
Those grandkids would be legit.
Why is TH-cam censoring this channel?? It's fantastic! I have been helped so much by these videos.
Love when these two get together.
This conversation between Jordon and Jocko was so delightfully meaty; thank-you.