Carl Swindell IV a man is made strong when he realizes his capacity for evil but tames it and keeps it in check. When your enemies realize threat of being annihilated is real they tend not to push too far in that direction. That’s not to say that you annihilate anyone you disagree with but god help the man who takes it too far with a capable man who has his aggression under control but is pushed too far.
I feel like a coward sheep now. I feel like I have the POTENTIAL to be dangerous but I'm so scared to use it because I don't trust my moral compass and fear bad consequences. Too much thinking. Too much thinking.
that's nearly spiritual warfare 101. got to know the enemies MO . otherwise he's going to hurt you.i think the physical side is a side show of life .the real game where all the action is in the spiritual realm as in fighting against thoughts /beliefs etc /most people are robbed blind of who they could be and aren't even aware that they're in a fight . and even worse than that just accept it as "that's life " .
Yup, i learned this somewhere a long time ago. It's kind of like the saying, "Keeps your friends close, keep your enemies even closer." You have to know what evil people are willing to do in order to overcome them.
"Civilized men in a civilized society are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split" Robert E Howard Creator of Conan the Barbarian You see this with smart-ass college kids probably the most but some of them will carry it later into life if they haven't been taught a lesson. They will run their mouths, and think they're tough because the one they mouth off to knows if they do something the asshole will sue them OR, they (the asshole) will call the cops and then better men than them will show up to enforce (with force if necessary) the norms and laws of the society. The guy who is truly tough doesn't let that asshole and his mouth get under his skin because he/she knows when push comes to shove they will prevail. The asshole on the other hand falsely believes they put someone in their place which they again falsely believe makes them tough. The mouthy asshole most of the time is blissfully unaware that only due to the consequences and some inner discipline the other guy exercised were they allowed to not be "damaged", to some greater or lesser extent. But if society ever breaks down, regardless of the cause, those assholes who love to run their mouths will either learn very quickly, become slaves or die.....probably on their knees, begging for their life.
@@tidefanyankee2428 Yes,I dislike people that flex their degree or think their untouchable just because of 'College smarts'.They seem to be very arrogabt everytime I hear 'You know I'm college educated and better than You!'
@@imtoofly3137 I have two degrees, but I also served in the military so I was around people that could be rather "savage" when they needed to be. Being around people like requires developing a "polite respect" for each person you serve with. Some college educated people don't know how to use what smarts they have and they are counting on society to protect them. It's like a guy who thinks he's tough just because he has a knife or even a gun. If they don't know how to use them effectively they could learn a hard lesson from someone who does. Strength and even ability without the right amount of discipline is far less effective than those who possess all 3.
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control." Shit, I wanna tattoo that to my soul.
Sorry for bad english and yeah he seems like also kinda using segways to translate jockos language or way so many even some normal people can relate and understand properly hes making it to elaborate his intent and point of view in a way the other people that want too understand understand lol and also hes at sametime hes focus on jockos helping him to express more properly and more elaborate way
@@Josh93Bwell at least one of your shoes understood his point. My boots just sat there staring at the ground like they didn't even hear what he was saying smh...
It's better to have too much food tha not enough food It's better to have 10 dollars when you need 5, than the other way around. It's better to have etc...
Jocko is like the coach who deeply cares about your future and pushes you hard because he knows you can. Peterson is like the dad many of us wish we'd had. What a great combo.
Im starting to realize that in the west and europe almost all families have no fatherly figures is that the reason of the rise of depressed and weak men ?
My dad, who was a cop, said the two proudest days of his life were the day I was born and day I graduated boot. Because he knew I wasn't going to a federal pen any more. Got into some trouble growing up but all I ever wanted was to be in the Navy and thank God for my recruiter!
Well done brother. We either submit to discipline or other disciplined men will force us to submit. It’s always better, cheaper and wiser to pay on the front end and suffer voluntarily.
The Navy Changed my life, i was well on my way to the prison life (was banging at the time and was about to do a stint in campo but the judge let me off when my recruiter spoke up for me and notified them of my intention of going to boot). Greatest choice i ever made, gave me direction and focus in life.
So are you planning on going seal? What’s ur mos? It takes a lot to even join the services so my questions shouldn’t be takin as any offense hopefully, I remember the day at meps that I made my oath to be an infantryman was the scariest and the coolest day of my life at that moment, just want to know if you followed this path or stayed on the ship so to speak
I was USAF, but still a very large warrior. I wrestled almost everyday with my daughter until she started developing at twelve years old. She could whip any boy her age at that time. My precious girl child is now a 41 year old lawyer. Kids need a dedicated father to adore and discipline them.
I love seeing Jocko’s discipline showing through in how he conducts interviews. Not a single word or attempt at a word the entire time Jordan Peterson was talking. The mark of a holistically disciplined soldier!
AND a mark of respect and wanting to learn, as opposed to the countless 'interviewers' who constantly TRY to 'take him down'. It's refreshing to witness.
@@ThisDesignLife Exactly. The truly capable man has that inner confidence and has nothing to prove to anyone. You can see the guys who strut around with false bravado all the time. That is them trying to convince those around them that they are capable. The people who go looking for trouble, generally aren't much of a problem for those who are prepared for it. Jocko is also smart enough to know that he doesn't know everything, so he is willing to listen to a man who obviously has something WORTH listening to.
I was watching Peterson elaborate on something and I didn’t see Jocko move at all. I almost thought the back of his head was photoshopped in the video bc he was so engaged
Best thing I ever did was to enlist in the Navy out of high school. Gave me the discipline that I needed to graduate from college and have a good career. Retired now and I still run or hit the gym everyday, do work around the house every day and study new subjects to improve my mind. It never ends. There is no finish line. Don't be satisfied.
“There is no finish line” that’s a powerful outlook on life. Day in and day out, keep fit. Keep organised, keep sharp. For there is no finish line, but the reward is huge.
John Sampson Stop kidding yourself. There’s no one in existence who truly aspires to “just relax and watch porn”, that’s the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard.
These talks should be on public TV stations on a regular basis instead of the garbage intended to lure people into impulsive reactions and low-class amusement.
Head cold at the moment. Lot of nasal congestion. Read your comment and a laugh tried to come out but my nose ran green and cleared instead. I SALUTE YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE 👍
Yep, the truly dangerous person is the quiet confident guy in the corner that the "angry man" knows to stay away from because he knows he (the angry man) will be exposed if he challenges, offends or forces him (the truly confident man) into action.
That is True... and false... That man, with a monster inside of him... but 100% "oblivious"... that's it's in there.... is most dangerous. "Any" human being... Like "That" Is Extremely Dangerous... Not only to themselves.... but especially... Everyone else... An aware man... is definitely more useful, and prepared... To Raise a Village. Being Dangerous... and having no clue "Why" you are... is also... A BIG "Bowl of Chaos" This is why... without knowledge of oneself... Is walking around, with a pocket full of loose 18650 Batteries.😅 🙆♂️🙈😴💣😳😬😖
I haven’t done jiu-jitsu yet but I am lifting weights for the past month and jogging and I’m feeling better about myself. I encourage anyone else to at least do the same!
I quite enjoyed that you went from "harmless" to the "gentle art" - It's like not wanting to be 'dangerous' but slightly more than 'harmless' haha. I mean I know people look at jiujitsu as some kind of combat training but it literally translates to the gentle art - which amused me a little. 😁 As Tanner said, if you commit to it, you will build yourself into the best version of yourself.
Jocko and Peterson are opposite on the hero spectrum. They have different experiences and they are both leaders to a better understanding of society and its people. I loved it.
Except 99,9% of people lack the required "very specialised set of skills, aquired over long career" to even know where to begin let alone succeed and make it out alive
This is an awesome duo. Jocko exemplifies physical dominance while Jordan exemplifies mental dominance, yet both recognize and respect the contributions of the other. It's impressive to see both absorbing information from the other.
This is the new age version of times gone past of the Warrior seeking the advice of an Oracle of thruth and wisdom. Thank you for allowing us to view and listen to this JBP and JW
In a society where masculinity is being sniffed out ,I cannot express in words the importance of having essential genuine masculine characters to refer to like these 2,way points of masculinity ! Blessed to have access to these guys
Dangerous and masculinity are not synonyms at all. It's really not. A masculine force doesn't need to be dangerous at all. It can be STRONG but this has nothing to do with dangerous.
Wow I love that. I love the Chronicles of Narnia, and that’s a really good point. Aslan isn’t safe; he’s dangerous, but he uses that for the good of others.
I've been in the military, I was an LEO for some years, former sniper, an expert in firearms instruction and tactics. Now, I'm a full time cattle rancher, and it is a wonderful. So grateful for the training and experience I have, but I find more pleasure in having love, compassion and being kind towards people and if needed I will still be a protector using violence if needed. My six year old has always talked about being a Navy Seal. All he does is run around playing commando. The other day I called him my little cowboy, indignant he says I'm not a cowboy, I'm gonna be a cop and a seal. I told him I was a sniper and he was shocked, his new hero. He has the warrior mindset.
Awesome hearing about clear vision at a young age! Build a world of inspiration around him! Thank you for your service. BUILD THAT LITTLE MAN to honor and respect those who went before him. He (and those with him) are our future.
This is one of my favorite conversations. One thing my mother told me when I was younger regarding picking a husband, "Love comes after respect". I thought of this when you were talking. We want power but also the ability to be good.
The Bible actually doesn’t even call a woman to love her husband. It calls her to respect and submit to him. Definitely ties in with what your saying. As I learned the hardway in my marriage, if she doesn’t respect you through her actions she doesn’t really love you no matter what she says. Respect 1st, love 2nd your mom was correct.
@@dr.vonslifeinvesting6485 It does say for the husband to love his wife though (as Christ loved the Church), and she may start out respecting her husband, but if he abuses that over time with harsh words about her appearance, character, and actions then that respect will evaporate. So, it's very much a two-way street.
Guys like Jocko being willing to teach our youth how to be disciplined warriors is one of the reason this is the best country in the world. My grandfather raised me and he was a WWll vet that taught me how to be dependable, truthful and a word and a handshake is a serious and binding as any arrangement can be.
@@uhtredofbebbanburg5493 There's no "objective" best country in the world. Anyone is free to feel that they live in the best place on Earth. The USA isn't perfect by any means, but there are reasons why people are patriotic and love to live there.
There’s legions of us though. We’re in the dojo, the gym, on the wrestling mat, at the job site, in the shop, at the gun range, under the car and more. Have faith brother.
Don’t let the loud mouths on social media discourage you. Like the previous comment said there are legions of us working hard to become better men And to become better people.
If a man is diciplined -- he has one form of rare strength. Strength isn't always physical -- and mental strength without physcial support will wane prenaturely.
@@jakwire Well said. Force applied across time requires discipline, preparation and patience. But that's how you REALLY apply a force multiplier. Once unleashed, suffering AoE across time is a surefire way to die at the hands of one who is initiated.
Jocko: We got guys that are aggressive, with criminal mindsets, guys that are into drugs and worse that often ended up in jail Jordan: I love Harry Potter
I absolutely love how they both just bounce and feed ideas off of one another. Imagine, for a second, our political environment looking like this. Imagine where humanity could go? We would go further in the next 5 years than we have in the last 100 years combined.
It's the difference between those who discuss to learn & those who just like the sound of their own voice, want to be right & want to try to destroy the other person's views, experiences, knowledge etc. Interesting stuff.
It was like that once and it was stupidly and ignorantly called "The Dark Ages". Some of the greatest advances in early science and architecture was made in that 1000 year period. But The Black Legend pervaded everything starting during the not-so-enlightenment period. People weren't killed during the Dark Ages for dissenting opinions. Google "The Carmelite Massacre" or "The Battle of Vendee". "Enlightened " society literally slaughtering innocent people.
I love how these clips have very clear non-clickbait titles. You can instantly see the point being discussed and how relevent it is to you. Awesome stuff.
Got out of a 6 year relationship yesterday and just found your podcast today. I've been taking it pretty well, I'm emotionally wrecked but gonna keep working hard and improving my life
I actually love the ideas of both of them. Seeing that they actually fit together like : JW as the practical and illustration side and JP on the theorical part is really pleasant. Sorry if my english is bad, I'm from Madagascar 😅
As a psychological researcher, psychologist, and psychology professor Jordan Peterson spent a few years working at a maximum security prison where he spent many hours interviewing legit serial killers. He may have been mildly concerned with Jocko describing himself in that way and felt the need to correct him like(I've met them and you’re seriously not like that I promise).
Theres two ways to interpret this. 1. He doesn't look like a serial killer because hes not creepy enough. 2. Serial killers just look like regular people, not exactly creepy, and so people cannot tell the danger. I prefer the second interpretation lol
"You don't make men safe by making them weak, in fact they are much more dangerous when they are weak because they will stab you in the back when they get the chance, or take advantage of you when they get the chance, you make men safe let's say by making them strong, and then by making sure they are disciplined..." Also heard JP say that if people don't like their male bosses/leaders/rulers/husbands to be strong, wait and see if people like their male bosses/leaders/rulers/husbands to be weak. I am paraphrasing that one but that is what he meant.
@@carlswindelliv2701 The ones who act like that are weak and maybe even the weakest. They can't handle their work or control their work environment and so the stress just piles and piles up until they lash out and blame everyone else in order to feel some semblance of control.
This video confirms everything iv been looking into for months about being a man and how to interact with the world around you. Being capable with not only a physical presence, but being smart enough to move the pieces in your life to your desire. It really makes you feel like you can own whatever amount of the world you want.
@@darkstar3116 I’m 17 years old. I’m enlisted in the marines. As soon as high schools over I’m on my way to be a soldier. You probably feel smart just being a comment hater, you’re not. You’re nothing 😂
"A harmless man is not a good man... A good man is a very very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control." - there is something about that which resonates and is just so true. Wow
@timwins31 ps nice work with the dicipline of fighting. I find it a very extraordinary thing to be able to do. Warriors are so rooted in history with men of ages past. What disgusts me is that this dicipline and masculinity itself and is attacked and looked down upon in this ridiculous post modern world. As men we were created to fight protect and strive. Awsome stuff. God bless
“One must shed the bad taste of wanting to agree with many. "Good" is no longer good when one's neighbor mouths it. And how should there be a "common good"! The term contradicts itself: whatever can be common always has little value. In the end it must be as it is and always has been: great things remain for the great, abysses for the profound, nuances and shudders for the refined, and, in brief, all that is rare for the rare.” Beyond Good and Evil
Being a warrior, and living through so many life and death altercations, is the root of my confidence. Were it not for that I would be a broken man. Rudder-less and without focus. I am one of the lucky ones. Thank you both for shedding light on what it truly means to be a good man.
"Extreme ownership" and "12 rules for life" are literally the last two books I ve read... you guys are really inspirational and make us face the truth with no BS. Thank you for sharing your knowledge like you did 🙏✊🙂!!
These were my springboards too. I struggle with impulsivity, but the relief is immense, even despite my physical limitations. Even when I can't overcome, I don't have to whine or despair, I have a dedicated set of steps I can follow to find out the cause and adapt myself in case it comes up again. I can't always prevail in the immediacy. But I will never let the conditions that triggered me the first time to trigger me twice. That is as close to solving my problem as I can get. And it's enough. Like Clara Sousa-Silva with her strategy for building her enormously complex database. Adaptation is often at odds with perfection. I cant perform perfectly. But I can adapt my own consciousness to each failure to ensure my mistakes are limited to a single occurrence.
When Jocko gives a best man speech at your wedding and starts talking about how he can defeat almost anyone he encounters in a physical altercation and in battle he can destroy in an efficient way.
There are lots of men exactly like Jocko, minus the integrity, in prison. Also many of them only had just a lapse of it, and are now behind bars the rest of their life.
Reminds me of a guy I went to high school with - Dan smith, Cinnaminson nj- look him up. Dan had the strength and fortitude to be Jocko-esque. As you can see if you googled his name, he choose to be a felon. Unfortunately, I believe too many people do not choose the jocko route.
This reminds me of my favorite saying: “the best defense against evil are men that are skilled at violence.” If all men were a combination of these two we would have our Utopia.
Unfortunately our population of men is quickly being de-masculinized at an increasing rate. We need protective, strong , alpha type men bc we are left defenseless without. Be able to depend on yourself not the police or a gov agency. The best defense is being capable of self defense
M Kinnison well no it would be the same as it is, it certainly wouldn’t be utopia?! I like the quote though 👍🏾 people make choices and sometimes the violent disciplinarian goes rogue and outdoes the violent skilled right doer. Utopia is a ideology that doesn’t work with the natural law of the world
I really like how jordan peterson never just runs away from a question and most and almost all the time gives a well defines and meaningful answer. Really shows how much work he's put into it
For a long time i thought i was alone in this mentality. I was made fun of for wanting to be a commando like jocko said. I feared people would see me as violent or simply put me down bcuz i was quite frankly a shrimp of a kid. It wasnt until recently that i found out that the warrior mentality is something that is highly regarded. The idea of being the best of the best and putting my life on the line to save others is the exact reasons why i went down a path of law enforcement. Im getting a CJ degree and plan on becoming a police officer with the ultimate goal of joining the FBI’s hostage rescue team. Idk if i truly have what it takes but until im put to the test ill be training to be a better me than the day before
This video made my brain click. This is the most important video ever made to me, I watch it almost daily, the epiphany I had the first time has revolutionized my life and I've found my purpose. Thank you Jocko, and thank you Dr. Peterson, truly.
Jocko Willink & Jordan Peterson are two very different men with two very different kinds of power and strength. Great to see that both are able to understand that and respect each other. Very interesting to listen to. Great conversation. Thank you.
How so? I am considering it, just don't know if such a physical and technical route is right for me. Im not science or engineering oriented, and have a 4.1, take AP classes, and I am not sure if the military would be the most suited path for me. I am aware it opens many doors and I love the idea of such self - discipline. Any suggestions? Thanks
@@amrygalaxy7139 you will never know unless you try. And judging purely by your comment, you seem like you’re at the age to take risks, try new things and still have enough time to do other things if they don’t work out
As Dr. Peterson put it once before 'Become a civilized beast'. A civilized man does not become a a beast, but the beast becomes a civilized man. It's important to stay in touch with the beast within us but maintain discipline and be civil. Great video.
This reminds me of the time I helped the school bully with his Science assignment and we had a deep conversation about light speed and infinity. I was terrified and surprised at the same time. That kid always looked out for me after that and protected me from his psychotic buddies.
I grew up the same way as Jocko, obsessed with Special Ops/ Swat Teams and how heroic and super hero-like they are. War movies, toys, and books my dad bought for me about spec ops. After high school I fell into drugs and alcohol and it wasn’t until I hit 30 I decided to enlist because I had turned my life around. Unfortunately due to childhood medical issues I couldn’t get into the military. It left me depressed for alittle while because I have this deep sense of a savior complex. I’m the protector of my family and friends, I constantly think tactically of scenarios in public of how to protect those around me, and I feel like a guard dog in a way. God has led me to the medical field and I’m just starting it now so I hope it fulfills this “warrior mentality” Jocko and alot of men like us have.
This is so true. I used to struggle with my decision to leave the Corps. I had one goal. Recon. No Raiders back then. I was in waiting for BRC. Then had to be pulled. Had a mother who was mentally ill. Tough choice to be honest. I always have felt I did not belong. Catch wrestling and BJJ (black belt under Carlos Catania) gave me an outlet. I enjoyed my time in infantry. I now am a mechanical engineer and also have a PhD. There is life outside of being a commando. But nothing fit me as well as being a war fighter. Thank you gentlemen.
I would be very interested in hearing these two highly-experienced, disciplined men discuss how children can cope with a mentally ill, abusive parent. Many of the bullies I've seen come from homes where they learn their skills by being viciously bullied by a parent (or parents) or an older, stronger sibling who is not restrained by adults.
Good question. I think of the thousans upon thousands of authors releasinh books every year, most go unnoticed. When one becomes hugly popular maybe it shows not only the author intuitivly knows the hero archytype Story but the audience as well. The audience does not have the intuition to create the story but they can recognize ot
@@codinginflow Rowling is a clever marketer. She cobbled together all the world’s fairy tales into a literary and film blockbuster. Her first book was so badly written, I had to be persuaded to read the second. Clearly, taught herself how to write better as she went along - but marketing is what she excels in. I don’t read novels now. Seemingly, most novels can be sorted into specific genres. A smart author writes what people are willing to pay for.
No, search for JK Rowling’s planning tables for the Harry Potter series. She literally planned out the character arcs based on archetypes. She’s brilliant.
Any detractor of JP should just be pointed to this video to realize his/her failure in understanding where he comes from or his endeavour. I would say it’s almost impossible for an academic to be on the same page as a warrior. I mean truly sharing meaning and perception of things. One of the best interactions I’ve seen. Honesty, self-consciousness and depth, shared by both… thanks for the opportunity to witness such an amazing conversation.
I admire this conversation. A man with more physical experience then any man I've ever met and a man who has read more literature then what I have in my personal library.
The market crash and high inflation had me really stressed out and worried about retirement. I've been in the red for a while now and although people say these crisis has it perks, I'm losing my mind but I get it,Investing is a long-term game, so I will focus on the long run.
I should be retiring in 3years, you see l've got good companies in my portfolio and a good amount invested, but my profit has been stalling, does it mean this recession/unstable market doesn't provide any calculated risk opportunities to make profit?
Trevor James Beckerman is a highly knowledgeable investment advisor and financial planner who helps me navigate the complexities of investing. His insights and recommendations have been instrumental in growing my portfolio
Absolutely brilliant! These two individuals seem to be from opposite sides of the socialogical spectrum, but through the powers of logic and discipline, they can have a profound and meaningful conversation with each other - one that I've not yet had in real life.
They hate him because they think he is antifeminist and right wing allied. People automatically dismiss anything right wing and apply their form of hatred on them
Yeah ive notices the radical left is pretty hateful but a part of me thinks its just a small group that speaks the loudest cause the media is bought and paid for both social and mainstream and theyve got bots on the internet and everything else i like to thjnk most of America is nothing like that at all just ypung kids who dont have life experience and quality education and just ignorant people and internet trolls. At least i hope its like that id hate to think a good portion of america is the intolerant leftist nutcases. Cancel culture is outrageous most Americans should be patriots who want freedom of speech. The media embarrasses the usa
@@tylerm7300 Questioning Dr Peterson's IQ is something that many have done before. An IQ above 150, depending on the test/result type, (WISC, Stanford-Binet...etc, 15SD/16SD) has a rarity of roughly 1/1100. This makes more than 350000 people in Canada and America with an IQ of 150+. I think I've made my point...
It's funny to hear dr. Peterson say the things that he says, I always tell my clients that a week fearful dog will bite a child. A strong confident discipline dog will not
Man, I am just so damn glad there are people in the world like you two. I get mentally beaten up by all the ads and bad examples that I can't seem to keep from showing up in my normal day to day. Knowing there are people out there that exemplify the things I know to be true (the truth rings like a bell) gives me hope for my kids.
I agree to some extent. They are talking about a warriors path. Not everyone is a warrior- even some men. You can be inclined to aggression but be very “heady” at the same time. There are also artists and people that don’t/ won’t/can’t fight.
Maybe re-frame what a "warrior" is. It doesn't have to be someone that goes into battle or has the physical attributes to be a fighter. The mind of a warrior, or in this case, discipline, is something all of us should strive for. It's as much, perhaps more, of a mental state of being versus the physical. In fact, this very conversation holds both. Jocko is a disciplined warrior in both the physical and mental sense. Jordan, without question, is a warrior in terms of his discipline in teaching the world by using a non aggressive approach.
The old boy I served my apprenticeship with in the UK during the 1980s was an ex WW2 veteran who'd been badly wounded by a sniper in North Africa. We were talking about the football hooligan problem in the UK at the time, and he said such aggressive young men had always existed. But with no wars to fight, they were somewhat directionless, and fighting on the football stadium terraces was their outlet for that aggression. He said that 40 years before, they'd have been winning medals and getting killed, and lauded as heroes.
I really admire your podcasts and I feel this to the core. you have no idea jocko. My brother became a seal and I went that other route you talked about in this episode. He is my biggest inspiration to be honest. I am still picking up the pieces of my life and I enjoy listening to your podcast. It gives me motivation to do the right thing.
Mr Jocko, is an incredible man. A true renaissance man, warrior poet, king and priest, he is a product of intelligent and logical reaction to his history and reality of the world, not how he wishes it to be but how it truly is, I enjoy and better informed by his presentation...
I once stayed at a men's shelter in my community and it was a learning experience . Before that I had no idea how men can be so week but violent at the same time.
That’s an interesting observation. I spent time at a men’s shelter exclusive to veterans. There is no one more generous, polite, and giving than dangerous men in the company of other dangerous men.
@@josephhall7600 Dangerous men without a purpose are usually only a danger to themselves.. Just saying, I'm not a vet I know a few from support groups with my own PTSD and I think the label of dangerous men slapped onto vets is a danger in itself, some of them are just trying to become normal again and don't want to be reminded that they're potentially dangerous.. it's a two way street with vets, some are proud and want to remember and others want to forget, remember that.. not all battle scars are visible.
These two individuals are so extraordinarily articulated in their speech that it influenced me to work like i never had before to improve my speech and writing. Thanks Jocko and Jordan.
"You don't make men safe by making them weak." Damn.
You also don't make men safe by making them evil either by telling them to break all the rules control other men beat the shit out of others!!!!!!
Carl Swindell IV a man is made strong when he realizes his capacity for evil but tames it and keeps it in check. When your enemies realize threat of being annihilated is real they tend not to push too far in that direction. That’s not to say that you annihilate anyone you disagree with but god help the man who takes it too far with a capable man who has his aggression under control but is pushed too far.
I guess too bad for folks who try to make other folks weak. It's kind of obvious tho
They become slimy veasily type. Backstabbing garbage.
@@The_Annoyed_chef spoken like a true atrocities apologist. Good for you.
"A good man is a very, very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control." Agreed.
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I feel like a coward sheep now. I feel like I have the POTENTIAL to be dangerous but I'm so scared to use it because I don't trust my moral compass and fear bad consequences. Too much thinking. Too much thinking.
@@Yetipfote You don't have the moral compass to be dangerous?
What about a good man who isn't dangerous?
@@CJ0101 A weak man? Or perhaps a man who hasn't been truely tested yet.
9:58 "unless you can think the way that an evil person thinks, then you're defenseless against them."
damn that hit me hard!
that's nearly spiritual warfare 101. got to know the enemies MO . otherwise he's going to hurt you.i think the physical side is a side show of life .the real game where all the action is in the spiritual realm as in fighting against thoughts /beliefs etc /most people are robbed blind of who they could be and aren't even aware that they're in a fight . and even worse than that just accept it as "that's life " .
True shit !!
This reminds me of Andrew Tate got invited to a private party lol
Yup, i learned this somewhere a long time ago. It's kind of like the saying, "Keeps your friends close, keep your enemies even closer."
You have to know what evil people are willing to do in order to overcome them.
"If you're around people who are dangerous but disciplined, everyone watches their step."
stable psychopaths :D
"Civilized men in a civilized society are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split"
Robert E Howard
Creator of Conan the Barbarian
You see this with smart-ass college kids probably the most but some of them will carry it later into life if they haven't been taught a lesson. They will run their mouths, and think they're tough because the one they mouth off to knows if they do something the asshole will sue them OR, they (the asshole) will call the cops and then better men than them will show up to enforce (with force if necessary) the norms and laws of the society. The guy who is truly tough doesn't let that asshole and his mouth get under his skin because he/she knows when push comes to shove they will prevail. The asshole on the other hand falsely believes they put someone in their place which they again falsely believe makes them tough. The mouthy asshole most of the time is blissfully unaware that only due to the consequences and some inner discipline the other guy exercised were they allowed to not be "damaged", to some greater or lesser extent. But if society ever breaks down, regardless of the cause, those assholes who love to run their mouths will either learn very quickly, become slaves or die.....probably on their knees, begging for their life.
@@tidefanyankee2428 never thought I would prefer to be a Savage, but I do here. Good quote.
@@tidefanyankee2428 Yes,I dislike people that flex their degree or think their untouchable just because of 'College smarts'.They seem to be very arrogabt everytime I hear 'You know I'm college educated and better than You!'
@@imtoofly3137 I have two degrees, but I also served in the military so I was around people that could be rather "savage" when they needed to be. Being around people like requires developing a "polite respect" for each person you serve with. Some college educated people don't know how to use what smarts they have and they are counting on society to protect them. It's like a guy who thinks he's tough just because he has a knife or even a gun. If they don't know how to use them effectively they could learn a hard lesson from someone who does. Strength and even ability without the right amount of discipline is far less effective than those who possess all 3.
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control." Shit, I wanna tattoo that to my soul.
The Biblical Jesus in a nutshell. Church tradition made Him into a soft beta man.
@@patrickvangelder8088 You’re wrong. Ain’t NObody forgettin the time when he flipped that table
@@biggSHNDO this comment is fantastic 😆 love it
Or when Peter cut that ear off! The apostle weren’t no bitches
Probably one of the greatest quotes I have ever heard and words to live by
Jordan is a true gangster. Jocko talking about SEALS and Jordan instantly segways to Harry Potter. Love it.
and it makes sense to boot! lol.
More people can relate to harry potter than what it takes to be a SEAL.
Sorry for bad english and yeah he seems like also kinda using segways to translate jockos language or way so many even some normal people can relate and understand properly hes making it to elaborate his intent and point of view in a way the other people that want too understand understand lol and also hes at sametime hes focus on jockos helping him to express more properly and more elaborate way
@@Josh93Bwell at least one of your shoes understood his point. My boots just sat there staring at the ground like they didn't even hear what he was saying smh...
indeed a segway to HP..ONLY Jordan could have done that!
“It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.”
platitude. sounds great but no substance. this was a bar talk conversation between Jocko and Peterson, not an intellectual conversation.
@@carryclass6807 A conversation between 2 intellectual people discussing their particular area of expertise, and you say its not intellectual lololol
It's better to have too much food tha not enough food
It's better to have 10 dollars when you need 5, than the other way around.
It's better to have etc...
Dr. Siracha - it’s better to have a doctor when you need sriracha than sriracha when you need a doctor 🤭
this is what bruce lee had said
Jocko is like the coach who deeply cares about your future and pushes you hard because he knows you can. Peterson is like the dad many of us wish we'd had. What a great combo.
Reminds me of coach Taylor from Friday night lights. Fuck yes.
Accurate
Coach em hard and hug em harder.
Im starting to realize that in the west and europe almost all families have no fatherly figures is that the reason of the rise of depressed and weak men ?
Get Some!
The archetypal wise old man meets the archetypal warrior.
woah nice catch
Fr
Hey man, Jocko’s not THAT old
@@jamesmckeown4045 The wise old man is Jordan, not Jocko haha.
@@darrenwang8879 I think that was the joke lol peterson is a warrior as well just a different kind
“If you are not capable of cruetly, you are absolutely a victim to anyone who is”
JBP
😊
Minor correction: If you are not capable of ABSOLUTE cruetly, you are absolutely a victim to anyone who is.
Stoney McMechan I learned this the hard way.
@@stoneymcmechan3210 Not true.
I played that line for 5 times for it to sink in deeper.
@@stoneymcmechan3210 What do you mean by "ABSOLUTE cruelty?"
The thing about Jorden Peterson is he is able to articulate things that the rest of us know instinctively but are told to shut up about.
Really well said. One of the best descriptions of him that I've come across. Thank you for that.
Yes, because you cannot explain it properly.
He-Man lets see your example asshole.
@@wonder777warrior6 wow hostile.
💯
My dad, who was a cop, said the two proudest days of his life were the day I was born and day I graduated boot. Because he knew I wasn't going to a federal pen any more. Got into some trouble growing up but all I ever wanted was to be in the Navy and thank God for my recruiter!
Well done brother.
We either submit to discipline or other disciplined men will force us to submit.
It’s always better, cheaper and wiser to pay on the front end and suffer voluntarily.
The Navy Changed my life, i was well on my way to the prison life (was banging at the time and was about to do a stint in campo but the judge let me off when my recruiter spoke up for me and notified them of my intention of going to boot). Greatest choice i ever made, gave me direction and focus in life.
@@strykrpinoy Awesome!
So are you planning on going seal? What’s ur mos? It takes a lot to even join the services so my questions shouldn’t be takin as any offense hopefully, I remember the day at meps that I made my oath to be an infantryman was the scariest and the coolest day of my life at that moment, just want to know if you followed this path or stayed on the ship so to speak
I was USAF, but still a very large warrior. I wrestled almost everyday with my daughter until she started developing at twelve years old.
She could whip any boy her age at that time. My precious girl child is now a 41 year old lawyer.
Kids need a dedicated father to adore and discipline them.
I love seeing Jocko’s discipline showing through in how he conducts interviews. Not a single word or attempt at a word the entire time Jordan Peterson was talking. The mark of a holistically disciplined soldier!
AND a mark of respect and wanting to learn, as opposed to the countless 'interviewers' who constantly TRY to 'take him down'. It's refreshing to witness.
Confidence as well. Nothing to prove by butting in
@@ThisDesignLife Exactly. The truly capable man has that inner confidence and has nothing to prove to anyone. You can see the guys who strut around with false bravado all the time. That is them trying to convince those around them that they are capable. The people who go looking for trouble, generally aren't much of a problem for those who are prepared for it. Jocko is also smart enough to know that he doesn't know everything, so he is willing to listen to a man who obviously has something WORTH listening to.
@pagansforbreakfast Might be. Also he's extremely well prepared. Makes it easy to listen to
I was watching Peterson elaborate on something and I didn’t see Jocko move at all. I almost thought the back of his head was photoshopped in the video bc he was so engaged
Best thing I ever did was to enlist in the Navy out of high school. Gave me the discipline that I needed to graduate from college and have a good career. Retired now and I still run or hit the gym everyday, do work around the house every day and study new subjects to improve my mind. It never ends. There is no finish line. Don't be satisfied.
“There is no finish line” that’s a powerful outlook on life. Day in and day out, keep fit. Keep organised, keep sharp. For there is no finish line, but the reward is huge.
@SeljakMagnum I am married.
@SeljakMagnum Retired
@John Sampson That sounds boring and depressing. Accomplishment is where meaning lies.
John Sampson Stop kidding yourself. There’s no one in existence who truly aspires to “just relax and watch porn”, that’s the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard.
These talks should be on public TV stations on a regular basis instead of the garbage intended to lure people into impulsive reactions and low-class amusement.
Dumb down the masses, make them weak, lower their mental strength to overcome them
Precisely @King Jango Bradock
Very nicely said, sir.
@@kingjangobradock7181 That is another way to put it.
@@AndreasNeophytou It would be very useful to hear ideas like these on a regular basis. All the best to you!
Only Jordan Peterson can look Jocko Willink in the face and liken him to Harry Potter, without being killed.
Lmfao!!!
Haha 🤣
Great take!
Head cold at the moment. Lot of nasal congestion. Read your comment and a laugh tried to come out but my nose ran green and cleared instead.
I SALUTE YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE 👍
Red Oz lol. Good observation
An angry man is not dangerous. A man that controls his anger is a man to fear
Yep, the truly dangerous person is the quiet confident guy in the corner that the "angry man" knows to stay away from because he knows he (the angry man) will be exposed if he challenges, offends or forces him (the truly confident man) into action.
That is True... and false...
That man, with a monster inside of him... but 100% "oblivious"... that's it's in there.... is most dangerous.
"Any" human being... Like "That"
Is Extremely Dangerous... Not only to themselves.... but especially...
Everyone else...
An aware man... is definitely more useful, and prepared...
To Raise a Village.
Being Dangerous... and having no clue "Why" you are... is also...
A BIG "Bowl of Chaos"
This is why... without knowledge of oneself...
Is walking around, with a pocket full of loose 18650 Batteries.😅
🙆♂️🙈😴💣😳😬😖
Donald Trump isn't dangerous?
That’s true
Ares P your vape is a weapon .... lol
“A harmless man is not a good man”
Gosh that’s deep to me. Idk about anyone else. Makes me want to try jiu-jitsu.
Best decision you could ever make
Try jiujitsu
commit for at least 5 years, find a good gym with a good coach. It will make you a better person than you could ever imagine.
I haven’t done jiu-jitsu yet but I am lifting weights for the past month and jogging and I’m feeling better about myself. I encourage anyone else to at least do the same!
I quite enjoyed that you went from "harmless" to the "gentle art" - It's like not wanting to be 'dangerous' but slightly more than 'harmless' haha. I mean I know people look at jiujitsu as some kind of combat training but it literally translates to the gentle art - which amused me a little. 😁
As Tanner said, if you commit to it, you will build yourself into the best version of yourself.
Jocko and Peterson are opposite on the hero spectrum. They have different experiences and they are both leaders to a better understanding of society and its people. I loved it.
Alfa Mindset not opposite just different journeys
@@ManuelTorres-gn2zw True. Thank you for sharing the nuance.
Enjoy the day
would u still class peterson a hero?
@@TheBlueskyson i still do.
If my children knew the things i would do to protect them, they probably wouldn’t like me.
Discipline is self love.
Those of us who get it are all hoping a 'Taken' type scenario never happens, but know if it comes to it that that would be us in a heartbeat.
Except 99,9% of people lack the required "very specialised set of skills, aquired over long career" to even know where to begin let alone succeed and make it out alive
Not just your kids. Everyone in your life.
@john sampson my point exactly
nauxsi absolutely
This is an awesome duo. Jocko exemplifies physical dominance while Jordan exemplifies mental dominance, yet both recognize and respect the contributions of the other. It's impressive to see both absorbing information from the other.
This is the new age version of times gone past of the Warrior seeking the advice of an Oracle of thruth and wisdom. Thank you for allowing us to view and listen to this JBP and JW
Getting recommended this video by TH-cam algorithms is akin to an oracle in ancient times? Goddamn you uneducated incels are something else...
@@steven5054 i think they mean jocko asking questions to peterson, chill with the whole "incel" thing.
Agreed. Except I'd imagine Peterson would object to the term "new age", as that term has acquired a post-modern connotation over the years haha
This is the way of all successful men. be strong, be dangerous, be disciplined, be deep, and seek the consul of those like yourself.
Winchestah I think he pays for quality whores, being educated as he is. I have a friend who does the same.
Dangerous and disciplined. Small wonder we love John Wick so much.
Kingshuk Mukherjee fantastic call man.
John Wick is a man of.....focus....commitment...sheer will. He once killed 3 men in a bar with a pencil.
A fucking pencil.....who does that???
Savage!
Didn't even equate the two, but so true. Right on man.
@ miserable prick
In a society where masculinity is being sniffed out ,I cannot express in words the importance of having essential genuine masculine characters to refer to like these 2,way points of masculinity ! Blessed to have access to these guys
Agreed!
True.
Hellz Yea
@Darkstar clearly that’s spellcheck but thanks for your amazing input !!
Dangerous and masculinity are not synonyms at all. It's really not. A masculine force doesn't need to be dangerous at all. It can be STRONG but this has nothing to do with dangerous.
"Course he isn’t safe. But he’s good." -The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Wow I love that. I love the Chronicles of Narnia, and that’s a really good point. Aslan isn’t safe; he’s dangerous, but he uses that for the good of others.
Well played sir...well played👏
forgot to add the author to that so here.. C.S. Louis
The lion, the witch, and the audacity of this son of a bitch
That is my favorite quote in all the Chronicles of Narnia. Well used here!
I've been in the military, I was an LEO for some years, former sniper, an expert in firearms instruction and tactics. Now, I'm a full time cattle rancher, and it is a wonderful. So grateful for the training and experience I have, but I find more pleasure in having love, compassion and being kind towards people and if needed I will still be a protector using violence if needed. My six year old has always talked about being a Navy Seal. All he does is run around playing commando. The other day I called him my little cowboy, indignant he says I'm not a cowboy, I'm gonna be a cop and a seal. I told him I was a sniper and he was shocked, his new hero. He has the warrior mindset.
Keep inspiring him. We need more men like you in the world.
Awesome hearing about clear vision at a young age! Build a world of inspiration around him! Thank you for your service. BUILD THAT LITTLE MAN to honor and respect those who went before him. He (and those with him) are our future.
Great story. I have 2 sons, both still very young. I am patiently excited to see them develop into productive aspiring children.
Sniper or not I’m sure you’re his hero simply by just being a good dad. It’s a tough job
Some kids just eat that stuff up.. I know I did when I was a kid. Keep fueling that fire!
Incredible segment blessed that there is still real men like these lads here this country has some hope
👍
This is one of my favorite conversations. One thing my mother told me when I was younger regarding picking a husband, "Love comes after respect". I thought of this when you were talking. We want power but also the ability to be good.
That made me think for quite a while. Love comes after respect - what exactly did you mean by it?
nolesrbin94 Otherwise, you’ll end up loving someone while ignoring traits that aren’t respectful.
R Rgz exactly
The Bible actually doesn’t even call a woman to love her husband. It calls her to respect and submit to him. Definitely ties in with what your saying. As I learned the hardway in my marriage, if she doesn’t respect you through her actions she doesn’t really love you no matter what she says. Respect 1st, love 2nd your mom was correct.
@@dr.vonslifeinvesting6485 It does say for the husband to love his wife though (as Christ loved the Church), and she may start out respecting her husband, but if he abuses that over time with harsh words about her appearance, character, and actions then that respect will evaporate. So, it's very much a two-way street.
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very dangerous man, who has that under voluntary control." I feel better about myself!
Because you're soo dangerous
@@MlRAAK 🤣🤣🤣🤔
@Star missle Except you're missing the point
@Star missle stfu
Im a weak man
Guys like Jocko being willing to teach our youth how to be disciplined warriors is one of the reason this is the best country in the world. My grandfather raised me and he was a WWll vet that taught me how to be dependable, truthful and a word and a handshake is a serious and binding as any arrangement can be.
The USA isn't by any means the greatest country in the world, unless by greatest you're talking about military size and spending.
@@uhtredofbebbanburg5493 There's no "objective" best country in the world. Anyone is free to feel that they live in the best place on Earth. The USA isn't perfect by any means, but there are reasons why people are patriotic and love to live there.
The comment about not having the imagination for that kind of evil. Such a true statement. This dude is spot on.
I am in my 60s and I have never seen anyone as spot on as J.P. The guy is a one man truth bomb.
watchman56able Got that right!
@@watchman56able Which explains why we are so hungry for his talks! Decades in the waiting...
@@pattifeliciano7221 I liken him to Christopher Hitchens.
@@IndigoDisco far more polite.
Most of the time.......
I have met weak men, strong men, and disciplined men. Sadly, nowadays, it is rarer and rarer to see a strong and disciplined man.
There’s legions of us though. We’re in the dojo, the gym, on the wrestling mat, at the job site, in the shop, at the gun range, under the car and more.
Have faith brother.
Don’t let the loud mouths on social media discourage you. Like the previous comment said there are legions of us working hard to become better men And to become better people.
If a man is diciplined -- he has one form of rare strength. Strength isn't always physical -- and mental strength without physcial support will wane prenaturely.
@@jakwire Well said. Force applied across time requires discipline, preparation and patience. But that's how you REALLY apply a force multiplier. Once unleashed, suffering AoE across time is a surefire way to die at the hands of one who is initiated.
David & Goliath? I pick David:|~~~
Jocko: We got guys that are aggressive, with criminal mindsets, guys that are into drugs and worse that often ended up in jail
Jordan: I love Harry Potter
I absolutely love how they both just bounce and feed ideas off of one another. Imagine, for a second, our political environment looking like this. Imagine where humanity could go? We would go further in the next 5 years than we have in the last 100 years combined.
It's the difference between those who discuss to learn & those who just like the sound of their own voice, want to be right & want to try to destroy the other person's views, experiences, knowledge etc. Interesting stuff.
Bull Falls
We want the government to be small. We don’t want the government to “do things”
It was like that once and it was stupidly and ignorantly called "The Dark Ages". Some of the greatest advances in early science and architecture was made in that 1000 year period. But The Black Legend pervaded everything starting during the not-so-enlightenment period. People weren't killed during the Dark Ages for dissenting opinions. Google "The Carmelite Massacre" or "The Battle of Vendee". "Enlightened " society literally slaughtering innocent people.
@@TacosnZorro HAHA!! Yes!! The Nazis thought themselves enlightened too didn't they.
First thing you'd have to do is get all the 5 years olds out out the parliament.... there's alot of them...
I love how these clips have very clear non-clickbait titles. You can instantly see the point being discussed and how relevent it is to you. Awesome stuff.
Got out of a 6 year relationship yesterday and just found your podcast today. I've been taking it pretty well, I'm emotionally wrecked but gonna keep working hard and improving my life
You have everything you need in you brother. Discover it, develop it and find peace. Best wishes
How has it been? It gets easier bro, but it can take some time. Use this experience to strengthen your mind
@@marttram2183 Honestly not terrible. Just been working hard and staying sober ✊️
@@tubeofnoob4683 glad to hear it buddy!
Keep going
Two legends together.
Ulisses legends*
@@Mirristal Thank you! :)
if i was there, it would have been 3 legends
@@mojo5093 lol
I actually love the ideas of both of them. Seeing that they actually fit together like : JW as the practical and illustration side and JP on the theorical part is really pleasant.
Sorry if my english is bad, I'm from Madagascar 😅
"I look like a serial killer for practical purpose."
"Not creepy enough."
Absolutely brilliant!
I don't get it
Mind explaining
And then a huge black dude shows his big guns wtf xd
As a psychological researcher, psychologist, and psychology professor Jordan Peterson spent a few years working at a maximum security prison where he spent many hours interviewing legit serial killers. He may have been mildly concerned with Jocko describing himself in that way and felt the need to correct him like(I've met them and you’re seriously not like that I promise).
Theres two ways to interpret this.
1. He doesn't look like a serial killer because hes not creepy enough.
2. Serial killers just look like regular people, not exactly creepy, and so people cannot tell the danger.
I prefer the second interpretation lol
This is like watching someone talk to their therapist 10 years after they've healed from whatever they went to the therapist for in the first place.
This is what having good conversation sounds and look like. Those are real MEN
"You don't make men safe by making them weak, in fact they are much more dangerous when they are weak because they will stab you in the back when they get the chance, or take advantage of you when they get the chance, you make men safe let's say by making them strong, and then by making sure they are disciplined..."
Also heard JP say that if people don't like their male bosses/leaders/rulers/husbands to be strong, wait and see if people like their male bosses/leaders/rulers/husbands to be weak. I am paraphrasing that one but that is what he meant.
This is why Nipsey Hussle died.
"Only strength can truly cooperate"
"Weakness can only beg"
Dwight D. Eisenhower.
"All cruelty springs from weakness"
Seneca
Ur forgetting that alot of times these bosses act like real tyrants so don't forget that dude
Yup had on eof those weak bosses thats the shittiest work enviroment ever
@@carlswindelliv2701 The ones who act like that are weak and maybe even the weakest. They can't handle their work or control their work environment and so the stress just piles and piles up until they lash out and blame everyone else in order to feel some semblance of control.
This video confirms everything iv been looking into for months about being a man and how to interact with the world around you. Being capable with not only a physical presence, but being smart enough to move the pieces in your life to your desire. It really makes you feel like you can own whatever amount of the world you want.
@@darkstar3116 I’m 17 years old. I’m enlisted in the marines. As soon as high schools over I’m on my way to be a soldier.
You probably feel smart just being a comment hater, you’re not. You’re nothing 😂
Being disciplined automatically makes you dangerous
Not rly
@@miceatah9359 depends what your disciplining🤣
Yes, it does.
Of course
slaves are disciplined, they must be, but they are not indeed dangerous
"A harmless man is not a good man... A good man is a very very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control." - there is something about that which resonates and is just so true. Wow
timwins31 same boat as you. Good stuff man
@timwins31 ps nice work with the dicipline of fighting. I find it a very extraordinary thing to be able to do. Warriors are so rooted in history with men of ages past. What disgusts me is that this dicipline and masculinity itself and is attacked and looked down upon in this ridiculous post modern world. As men we were created to fight protect and strive. Awsome stuff. God bless
“One must shed the bad taste of wanting to agree with many. "Good" is no longer good when one's neighbor mouths it. And how should there be a "common good"! The term contradicts itself: whatever can be common always has little value. In the end it must be as it is and always has been: great things remain for the great, abysses for the profound, nuances and shudders for the refined, and, in brief, all that is rare for the rare.”
Beyond Good and Evil
An evil man is not a good man!!!!!!!!!!
I have been harmless my whole life and I feel alot better than the evil men I see on the news commiting crimes
What an amazing episode. Every women and every man should listen to this episode.
Jocko Willink would have been a Level 100 Mafia Boss.
La Cosa Nostra boss, not mafia boss.
He has the makings of a varsity athlete
Guys in the mafia are weak and worthless cowards. Jocko is the opposite
no he's the one you'd need to take down to get to the boss.
@@oSTYNCLSYo lol., you mean a friend of ours
Let it be known that the importance of self-reliance can't be overstated, especially in this day and age.
This is the classic warrior/philosopher combination we good men needed.
Being a warrior, and living through so many life and death altercations, is the root of my confidence. Were it not for that I would be a broken man. Rudder-less and without focus. I am one of the lucky ones. Thank you both for shedding light on what it truly means to be a good man.
"Extreme ownership" and "12 rules for life" are literally the last two books I ve read... you guys are really inspirational and make us face the truth with no BS. Thank you for sharing your knowledge like you did 🙏✊🙂!!
we need to appreciate for our own sakes how important and precious this interview is . great comment
These were my springboards too. I struggle with impulsivity, but the relief is immense, even despite my physical limitations. Even when I can't overcome, I don't have to whine or despair, I have a dedicated set of steps I can follow to find out the cause and adapt myself in case it comes up again. I can't always prevail in the immediacy. But I will never let the conditions that triggered me the first time to trigger me twice. That is as close to solving my problem as I can get. And it's enough. Like Clara Sousa-Silva with her strategy for building her enormously complex database. Adaptation is often at odds with perfection. I cant perform perfectly. But I can adapt my own consciousness to each failure to ensure my mistakes are limited to a single occurrence.
When Jocko gives a best man speech at your wedding and starts talking about how he can defeat almost anyone he encounters in a physical altercation and in battle he can destroy in an efficient way.
Imagine if Jocko had gone to crime holy shit that would have been scary
This is why some countries have warlords and such. That temperament with no aim towards the good? Terrible.
There are lots of men exactly like Jocko, minus the integrity, in prison. Also many of them only had just a lapse of it, and are now behind bars the rest of their life.
@@Steve-cc6xc All professional soldiers are good guys? Thats a VAST generalization.
Reminds me of a guy I went to high school with - Dan smith, Cinnaminson nj- look him up. Dan had the strength and fortitude to be Jocko-esque. As you can see if you googled his name, he choose to be a felon. Unfortunately, I believe too many people do not choose the jocko route.
He basically admits that criminals and soldiers/police are one and the same. How is this dude tough with his badge?
This reminds me of my favorite saying: “the best defense against evil are men that are skilled at violence.” If all men were a combination of these two we would have our Utopia.
Unfortunately our population of men is quickly being de-masculinized at an increasing rate. We need protective, strong , alpha type men bc we are left defenseless without. Be able to depend on yourself not the police or a gov agency. The best defense is being capable of self defense
M Kinnison well no it would be the same as it is, it certainly wouldn’t be utopia?! I like the quote though 👍🏾 people make choices and sometimes the violent disciplinarian goes rogue and outdoes the violent skilled right doer. Utopia is a ideology that doesn’t work with the natural law of the world
Your dreams of Utopia are childish and impossible.
Cannot be. Survival of the fittest
Doesn’t exist anymore. People are too complacent.
By definition, utopia is an imaginary place, soooo
I really like how jordan peterson never just runs away from a question and most and almost all the time gives a well defines and meaningful answer. Really shows how much work he's put into it
For a long time i thought i was alone in this mentality. I was made fun of for wanting to be a commando like jocko said. I feared people would see me as violent or simply put me down bcuz i was quite frankly a shrimp of a kid. It wasnt until recently that i found out that the warrior mentality is something that is highly regarded. The idea of being the best of the best and putting my life on the line to save others is the exact reasons why i went down a path of law enforcement. Im getting a CJ degree and plan on becoming a police officer with the ultimate goal of joining the FBI’s hostage rescue team. Idk if i truly have what it takes but until im put to the test ill be training to be a better me than the day before
I've found a brother
Update pleased? Did you make it? Or quit like the rest of the things you've done in life?
im only a random stranger but thats an honorable resolve. wonderfull purpose. i believe in you.
@@randysterling4700 I don't think your in a position to make judgemental comments like that on other people's lives when you don't know them
@@Sammy-vc3nu agreed.
This video is a masterpiece. Absolutely brilliant.
This video made my brain click. This is the most important video ever made to me, I watch it almost daily, the epiphany I had the first time has revolutionized my life and I've found my purpose. Thank you Jocko, and thank you Dr. Peterson, truly.
Jocko Willink & Jordan Peterson are two very different men with two very different kinds of power and strength. Great to see that both are able to understand that and respect each other.
Very interesting to listen to. Great conversation. Thank you.
"A Harmless man is not a good man, A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under control."
Joining the military put me way above my high school peers. Best decision I ever made.
How so? I am considering it, just don't know if such a physical and technical route is right for me. Im not science or engineering oriented, and have a 4.1, take AP classes, and I am not sure if the military would be the most suited path for me. I am aware it opens many doors and I love the idea of such self - discipline. Any suggestions? Thanks
@@amrygalaxy7139 you will never know unless you try. And judging purely by your comment, you seem like you’re at the age to take risks, try new things and still have enough time to do other things if they don’t work out
I am a combat vet, I haveto say not all warriors serve, warrior is a mindset
What color is your Bugatti?
@@gabrielvicini1633 that’s how you measure success? By the color of your Bugatti? 🤦♂️🤡
Credit to both these guys that they communicate so well on an intellectual basis. Jocko is not stupid and he appears disciplined.
As Dr. Peterson put it once before 'Become a civilized beast'. A civilized man does not become a a beast, but the beast becomes a civilized man. It's important to stay in touch with the beast within us but maintain discipline and be civil. Great video.
This reminds me of the time I helped the school bully with his Science assignment and we had a deep conversation about light speed and infinity. I was terrified and surprised at the same time. That kid always looked out for me after that and protected me from his psychotic buddies.
JP and Jocko in one room. My life is complete!
Screwed up for 31 years of my life," sense I was 1 years old !
Finally did something right the next year & am still working on success !...
good for u buddy
I grew up the same way as Jocko, obsessed with Special Ops/ Swat Teams and how heroic and super hero-like they are. War movies, toys, and books my dad bought for me about spec ops. After high school I fell into drugs and alcohol and it wasn’t until I hit 30 I decided to enlist because I had turned my life around. Unfortunately due to childhood medical issues I couldn’t get into the military. It left me depressed for alittle while because I have this deep sense of a savior complex. I’m the protector of my family and friends, I constantly think tactically of scenarios in public of how to protect those around me, and I feel like a guard dog in a way. God has led me to the medical field and I’m just starting it now so I hope it fulfills this “warrior mentality” Jocko and alot of men like us have.
Only Jordan Peterson could break down the mindset of a warrior like this!
This is so true. I used to struggle with my decision to leave the Corps. I had one goal. Recon. No Raiders back then. I was in waiting for BRC. Then had to be pulled. Had a mother who was mentally ill. Tough choice to be honest. I always have felt I did not belong. Catch wrestling and BJJ (black belt under Carlos Catania) gave me an outlet. I enjoyed my time in infantry. I now am a mechanical engineer and also have a PhD. There is life outside of being a commando. But nothing fit me as well as being a war fighter. Thank you gentlemen.
A disciplined person knows the difference between right n wrong ! That's the strength!
That "yeah" at 3:22
Like, bro you just summarized my life in a way that I didn't even realize.
Happens often to me when I listen to JBP
"When I was a kid, I wanted to be a commando"...first sentence in! WAW, dude is a natural leader!
I would be very interested in hearing these two highly-experienced, disciplined men discuss how children can cope with a mentally ill, abusive parent. Many of the bullies I've seen come from homes where they learn their skills by being viciously bullied by a parent (or parents) or an older, stronger sibling who is not restrained by adults.
Best qoute may have been at 11:20 "A good man is a very very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control."
I wonder if authors like JK Rowling just understood these concepts intuitively
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Good question. I think of the thousans upon thousands of authors releasinh books every year, most go unnoticed. When one becomes hugly popular maybe it shows not only the author intuitivly knows the hero archytype Story but the audience as well. The audience does not have the intuition to create the story but they can recognize ot
@@csf.outdoors7933 makes sense 👍 Thanks for answering
@@codinginflow Rowling is a clever marketer. She cobbled together all the world’s fairy tales into a literary and film blockbuster. Her first book was so badly written, I had to be persuaded to read the second. Clearly, taught herself how to write better as she went along - but marketing is what she excels in.
I don’t read novels now. Seemingly, most novels can be sorted into specific genres. A smart author writes what people are willing to pay for.
No, search for JK Rowling’s planning tables for the Harry Potter series. She literally planned out the character arcs based on archetypes. She’s brilliant.
Any detractor of JP should just be pointed to this video to realize his/her failure in understanding where he comes from or his endeavour. I would say it’s almost impossible for an academic to be on the same page as a warrior. I mean truly sharing meaning and perception of things. One of the best interactions I’ve seen. Honesty, self-consciousness and depth, shared by both… thanks for the opportunity to witness such an amazing conversation.
Thank you gentleman for a great discussion
Great line from Game of Thrones from arguably the toughest man in the show, Ned Stark, "War was easier than daughters".
I admire this conversation. A man with more physical experience then any man I've ever met and a man who has read more literature then what I have in my personal library.
Plot twist, jocko is both of those things 😝
Proverbs 16:32
He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.
Amen
Jordan Petersons wisdom makes my head hurt... Learning so much!!
The concept of 'grow through discipline, not brute force' resonates deeply. Jocko and Jordan are a perfect duo to discuss this!
3:22 I love this little moment where Jocko is like, "Wow this guy knows how to talk."
Understatedly, one of the finest analytical Podcasts on living near the valley of darkness and fearing no evil -that I've ever heard, bar none.
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Absolutely brilliant! These two individuals seem to be from opposite sides of the socialogical spectrum, but through the powers of logic and discipline, they can have a profound and meaningful conversation with each other - one that I've not yet had in real life.
These two are great together.
Why people hate on Dr.Peterson will for ever be a question for me.
They do??
They hate him because they think he is antifeminist and right wing allied. People automatically dismiss anything right wing and apply their form of hatred on them
Yeah ive notices the radical left is pretty hateful but a part of me thinks its just a small group that speaks the loudest cause the media is bought and paid for both social and mainstream and theyve got bots on the internet and everything else i like to thjnk most of America is nothing like that at all just ypung kids who dont have life experience and quality education and just ignorant people and internet trolls. At least i hope its like that id hate to think a good portion of america is the intolerant leftist nutcases. Cancel culture is outrageous most Americans should be patriots who want freedom of speech. The media embarrasses the usa
Jordan's IQ is on a whole different level.
Lol no it isn't. At best he's around 140-150. Which is genius level. But I have several relatives around 150-160.
Tyler M Lol that’s extremely unlikely
Tyler M Jordan has an IQ above 150.
@@PrabhsimranSingh13 I highly doubt it's above 160. He's definitely high but not 170+ level. He's had his ideas debunked before.
@@tylerm7300 Questioning Dr Peterson's IQ is something that many have done before. An IQ above 150, depending on the test/result type, (WISC, Stanford-Binet...etc, 15SD/16SD) has a rarity of roughly 1/1100. This makes more than 350000 people in Canada and America with an IQ of 150+. I think I've made my point...
It's funny to hear dr. Peterson say the things that he says, I always tell my clients that a week fearful dog will bite a child. A strong confident discipline dog will not
Man, I am just so damn glad there are people in the world like you two. I get mentally beaten up by all the ads and bad examples that I can't seem to keep from showing up in my normal day to day. Knowing there are people out there that exemplify the things I know to be true (the truth rings like a bell) gives me hope for my kids.
I agree to some extent. They are talking about a warriors path. Not everyone is a warrior- even some men. You can be inclined to aggression but be very “heady” at the same time. There are also artists and people that don’t/ won’t/can’t fight.
Maybe re-frame what a "warrior" is. It doesn't have to be someone that goes into battle or has the physical attributes to be a fighter. The mind of a warrior, or in this case, discipline, is something all of us should strive for. It's as much, perhaps more, of a mental state of being versus the physical. In fact, this very conversation holds both. Jocko is a disciplined warrior in both the physical and mental sense. Jordan, without question, is a warrior in terms of his discipline in teaching the world by using a non aggressive approach.
@timwins31 Picking your battles is indeed a trait of a warrior.
That would be an Enneagram 8 type. The Warrior. Jocko has managed to intergrate well.
The old boy I served my apprenticeship with in the UK during the 1980s was an ex WW2 veteran who'd been badly wounded by a sniper in North Africa. We were talking about the football hooligan problem in the UK at the time, and he said such aggressive young men had always existed. But with no wars to fight, they were somewhat directionless, and fighting on the football stadium terraces was their outlet for that aggression. He said that 40 years before, they'd have been winning medals and getting killed, and lauded as heroes.
I really admire your podcasts and I feel this to the core. you have no idea jocko. My brother became a seal and I went that other route you talked about in this episode. He is my biggest inspiration to be honest. I am still picking up the pieces of my life and I enjoy listening to your podcast. It gives me motivation to do the right thing.
How's life been since this comment brotha
Mr Jocko, is an incredible man. A true renaissance man, warrior poet, king and priest, he is a product of intelligent and logical reaction to his history and reality of the world, not how he wishes it to be but how it truly is, I enjoy and better informed by his presentation...
Hey i dig this
I once stayed at a men's shelter in my community and it was a learning experience . Before that I had no idea how men can be so week but violent at the same time.
That’s an interesting observation. I spent time at a men’s shelter exclusive to veterans. There is no one more generous, polite, and giving than dangerous men in the company of other dangerous men.
@@josephhall7600 Dangerous men without a purpose are usually only a danger to themselves.. Just saying, I'm not a vet I know a few from support groups with my own PTSD and I think the label of dangerous men slapped onto vets is a danger in itself, some of them are just trying to become normal again and don't want to be reminded that they're potentially dangerous.. it's a two way street with vets, some are proud and want to remember and others want to forget, remember that.. not all battle scars are visible.
These two individuals are so extraordinarily articulated in their speech that it influenced me to work like i never had before to improve my speech and writing. Thanks Jocko and Jordan.
The more I listen ... the more I like Dr Jordan Peterson . He is so great for America, or even the world. 💪🏽👍🏽
A strong man is the one who can control his anger. Being strong isn't about people fearing you.
That young age passion comes from the Lord. I felt the same way about my profession. When I was 18 I went in to business and never looked back.
voldermort ?
or michael flatley lord of dance
"A good man is a very dangerous man that has that under control."