Champ PH44XL Oil Filter vs. 45 Year Old Kmart K-5 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison
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Today we'll open up a 45-year-old Kmart oil filter! Let's see how it compares to a new Champ 44XL oil filter!
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I found that filter at a thrift shop not long after our last Kmart shut its door about 8 years ago ! I thought that would make an interesting video ! Your the best whip ! great video ! 🍺
Yes, that was nice to see.
Thanks👍
That's pretty cool, man, thanks for sharing!
Maybe back in the day K Mart Oil Filters were a Blue Light Special.
Thanks, Scotty and Thanks for the Kmart oil filter. I had fun making this video.😊
@@WhipCityWrencherYea looks like the ol Motorcraft Classic String Tie off... For a 1979 engine and it's tolerances of the day, Kmart worked just fine... But today's basic type of " filtering media is far superior, even at it's shorter lengths... Great Video!!!
K Mart filter is an old old Purolator filter. Back when I was in college back in 1980 I used to cut open all my used oil filters. I had a 1974 Ford Pinto Station Wagon and I alternated between that K Mart filter, Lee and what ever National Auto had on sale. Sure K Mart had that filter for $1.97 but National Auto had Lee on sale for $1.67. I used what ever house brand oil was on sale. It was usually just a rebadged Valvoline oil.
My dad always used lee oil filters back when the local ames department store carried them in the 80's.
Thanks for Sharing, Great Info👍
That strange metal ring you couldn't identify was part of the drain back valve operation' it was a stiffener for the flimsy rubber ring. Pre silicone Old school tech, Great video's keep them coming! Thank you.
Agreed. Needed something to support the thin poorly formed adbv.
Thanks For Sharing 👍Yep I figured that out after I made the video
Although the K-Mart oil filter had more light shining through the filtering media, It's application was made for engines that called for thicker oils. Thicker oils would force the filter [engine] into by-pass mode sooner than today's oil, stopping the filtering of oil anyway.
That "springy-round thing" that you found was to keep that flimsy rubber anti-drainback valve in place. Today's valves are thicker, using custom molded rubber eliminating that thin "springy-round thing".
Also those engines had much more blowby and carbon deposits in their oil, caused by carburetors and looser engine manufacturing tolerances.
Yep. Back in the days of cast iron engines, 20W-50 with STP (or Casite Motor Honey) was the poor man's engine overhaul.
Yep, I remember using 10w40 oil in my cars back then.
I only use NOS 1970s and 80s filters
I used to buy those filters all the time on the blue light special for 99 cents. The can and everything looks exactly the same.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
You're Welcome Jason👍
My thoughts exactly
Damn, a 45-yr.-old Kmart filter in its original carton. It should be a collector’s item! The filter media could use some work, though.
Just looked, if interested a K Mart filter in box can still be purchased on ebay.
Yhup. Plenty of retro filters on ebay. Looks like a lot of them have survived.
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I only buy those NOS Filters and not modern Chinese crap
Back in the 1970's, oil change intervals were 2,00 miles...3,000 miles .....different technology with carburetors......conventional oils, etc. Cars did not have computer controlled ignition and fuel injection under computer management, Cars had steering and suspension parts that had to be serviced and greased with a grease gun. Some had grease zerks on the drive shaft.
Thanks for Sharing, Great Info👍
The champ filter has to filter better than the K Mart filter because it has to filter out all the excess glue. Lol thanks for the video
🤣🤣🤣..... Nice one!
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It was a 3 hour drive to the nearest KMart, so Dad never used their oil filters back in the 70s. Though there are pictures of me changing the oil in several of our cars using Mopar & Motorcraft filters & Pennzoil. 🤠
If memory serves, Purolator filters used to come with the string around them.
Yep, some of the Purolator made Motorcraft filters used to have them.
"Aisle 4 we have a blue light special on K5 oil filters!!!"
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Those old Kmart oil where quite popular back in the day. You just couldn’t beat the price for an oil filter made by Purolator. Another forgotten oil filter brand is the Lee Oil Filters which were often sold inside popular drug store chains.
Thanks for Sharing👍
Bruce Lee Operated that company
Back in the day, I likely used a K Mart oil filter. They used to have a good selection and b&m WalMart stores not common. I can't decode date code but going say made by Champ Labs or second Purolator. I think the extra metal collar on KM serves as extra backing for the thin poorly formed nitrile adbv, to keep inlets covered on shut down. Up until they closed KM used to have selection of Purolator P1 filters. Yeah, CL XL wins, but different era filters. Thanks to Scotty for the filter, and you Whip for the vid.
Yep, I'm sure I used the Kmart filters a few times also. Thanks for Sharing👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Yeah, it's been a while but feel sure I used at least one. Likely a Lee filter or two, too.
I am actually quite surprised how well and contemporary the Kmart filter looked and was constructed overall.
Great Job Pete!. Despite its age, it is still a pretty nice filter. the welding issues aside it has no excess glue and the components seem to be pretty nice. Probably a typical cellulose media. No question of what I would use today, but it is nice to see what an old one that I would probably use back then looks like.
Thanks, Jim👍
Good video. I used to buy those K Mart filters on occasion for my 1974 AMC Hornet with the 232 cu. in six cylinder. It took 10W-40 or 10w-30 oil. When I used to cut those open with a hacksaw I noticed they were very similar to a Purolator with the string around the filter media. They were probably made by Purolator. I have an old Lee filter from the 1970's still in the box. Maybe you would like to cut it open.
Now that I'd like to see. I remember when Lee oil filters were common place!
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👍Baldwin used the string for a long time on many of their filters. Not sure what it’s purpose was.
Assembly string still seen on some of the larger Purolator made oil filters. Just used to hold media pleating in place during assembly. Thus, the name.
My first car was a 1972 AMC Gremlin, in-line 6 bright yellow.
Hey Whip, is there still a KMART still in your area?
Great video as always.
Thanks!
Yes we had a few Kmarts in my area but they all closed down
That Kmart is very, very old Purolator from the mid to late '70's era when they were still operating out of NJ. Kmart also contracted for a 'Dual' stage filter they sold around that same time from Lee/Lee Eliminators I believe (also made in NJ). I think it was the 'KD' line. Same as the Lee Maxi Filter. Purolator has had so many owners and moved physically so many times the filters now are nothing like they used to be. They finally landed in Fayetteville under Facet. I have a Pure One from the Mid '90's that says 'Mark IV' with a Tulsa address. That particular filter (your Kmart) was made 5-6 owners back. Give or take 1. I had some Purolator air filters with that same date coding from the '70's.
Thanks for Sharing, Great Info👍
I think that thin piece of nitrile rubber plus the finned metal disc = the adbv on the K-Mart filter. Remember the adbv on that huge Bentley filter I sent you? Very similar concept.
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That drain back valve you showed in photo looks like one from a GM 2.5 iron duke engine. It installed in the block. Rebuilt engine, had to change that out.
Used K-Mart filters on my '76 Vega....
What an awesome video. It’s still fascinating how big Kmart was at one point. I’ve always like the old Kmart logo. Great video.
Thank You👍
Thanks, Oddly interesting…
It's Friday!!!! 😊
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i remember those kmart filters for 99Cents also.
Attention K Mart shoppers! Blue Light Special 💡$1.97 for K5 oil filters
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Good day friend have a great weekend great info 👍
Thanks, Christina
Have a Great Weekend Also.👍
Champ for the win. 😅
1979, good year! Another informative, good review.😊
Thanks, Merri
Yep 1979 was a good year😊
I miss the days when I could go to my local K-Mart and buy points and condenser in a blister pack plus spark plugs and a set of plug wires. They also had small tools like feeler gauges, socket sets and timing lights and dwell meters for doing tuneups. I sure miss those days.
Thanks for Sharing👍
I colllect new oil filters and I have a few Kmarts
Keep up the great work, Whipman!!!
Thanks 👍
Thank you for taking us back in time with the great video. WhipCityWrencher 🔧
You're Welcome WrenchingMafia⌚
Thanks!👍💯
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Awesome video! This was the filter that I used when I first started changing oil on my Dad's car. Always wondered what was inside ..45 years and not much has changed
Thanks Kevin👍
In the late 1970s there was no domestic oil sold in the United States that was synthetic. And a lot of our oils were still from Pennsylvania wells and refineries.
The molecules of synthetic oil are all the same size and a lot smaller than the molecules of non-synthetic oil. Therefore this Kmart oil filter wouldn't be compatible (in other words perform well) with synthetic oils today. It was good for non-synthetic oil engines back in their day. And I would run it before I'd run any Fram oil filter on absolutely ANYTHING!
I miss Kmart.
Great info 👍 👁️👃👁️
Champ wins this One, better built and better filter media. Size Kmart is bigger. If time travel is possible would like to go back compare the Kmart filter to K&N , Wix and OEM of 1979 era.
Yep, that would be a good comparison😊
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Nice video.. thanks for sharing 👍
Glad you liked it, Thanks👍
Kmart was my main source of oil and filters from 1980 something to maybe ten years ago. I can tell by the face plate that was a Purolator filter, they were the only ones that covered the whole base plate with sheet metal. I think the Purolator branded ones probably had better quality. What happened to $3.00 Purolator filters? Well I guess if you don’t mind them painted red they are now only $7.00 at Tractor Supply. 😄
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Kmart? Wow! Hoodathot?
That filter was the oem fit for the dudes that made the pyramids.
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Wonder if 45 years of storage affected the amount of light allowed through the KMart filter in the microscope analysis...
Maybe, but I doubt it. JMHO
Kmart flimsy rubber seal with a metal spring backing. That Silicon rubber version was probably not invented for general use yet.
I believe the acid content in the filter media is the reason it is degraded.
I kinda doubt it, besides the microscope pic, the media looked fine. I've opened some new filters that have looked as bad or even worse under a microscope. JMHO
Like a book. Yeah maybe 🤔
If the Kmart filter sold for $1.97 in 1979 that would be $8.37 today. So that was really not A discount filter. I Rember FED-MART discount store in so. cal. sold their own brand of oil filter in the 60's and 70's the can was so thin it just collapsed if you rut a filter wrench on it.
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$1.97 FOR THE FILTER(45 YEARS AGO-MADE IN THE USA) $16,99 TODAY(MADE IN CHINA)!!
That wasn't welding. The threaded hole was formed with a friction drill and tapped. Guessing the tooling was worn out... And the slag around all those, definitely made either Friday quitting time or to a tight budget.
That champ... Definitely spared no expense on glue...
Thanks for Sharing👍
All of that extra glue on the Champ filter, I think you need to buy two identical filters at the same time and open them both up to see if quality control is the same. Two filters you know use glue, do they both have globs of it?
I may do that.
Thanks for the suggestion👍
Quite a bit disappointed by the sloppy gluing of the Champ filter. Saw the same issue with the VP Racing filter they also make in one of your videos. Guessing the Amsoil filters they also produce have the same problem, but I'd need to re-check one of your old Amsoil filter reviews to be sure. Disappointing because the VP Racing & Amsoil filters are marketed as high-end long-interval filters.
The funny-looking "doohickey thingie", thin metal plate with multiple cuts in it on the base of the Kmart filter core bottom puts tension on the flimsy black rubber anti drain back valve. [I see that has been posted already]
Why didn't you measure the thicknesses of each of the cans with your calipers? Some of us would like to know. [smile face emoji inserted here]
I did
go to the 5:17 mark in the video.
@@WhipCityWrencher thank you. I will try to get back to it at a better time.
@@WhipCityWrencher When I was a teenager [early 80's] I bought all I could find of the equivalent FL1-A oil filters: Kmart, Fram, Wix, Motorcraft, and Delco then cut them apart. The Motorcraft back then had a cotton fiber blend filter media which was better than most of the rest. It looked white, not yellow. I probably still saved the "Ford Shop Tips" magazine that showed that to me.
And the Fram had cardboard ends on the filter media then. They have not changed to this day. I don't trust cardboard under high pressure situations. They can blow up. That has been known to be the culprit for destroying the variable cam phasers, control solenoids, and other such parts in an engine on Fords. Im just a geek like that who likes/needs to know what is better for my car and why (construction of parts and superior engineering as well). Just a Gearheaded Geek. Thank you. Have a good day and good luck with your videos.
P.S. I've learned from other people's mistakes and my own, and I've made up a saying: "Being cheap is no way to save ANY money".
@@WhipCityWrencher I see the differences of thicknesses on the screen. THANKS!
Just a thought, you saw some rust/corrosion on the Kmart filter, possible the filter part may be falling apart as well? Dry rot and such.
Do you mean on the base plate? Could be?
@@WhipCityWrencher no the filter element, the fiber part that does the filtering.
@@paultomaszewski1964 I dont think so. The paper filter media seemed to be held together just fine.
I'm sure that K fart filter was perfectly fine for a Gremlin
LOL🤣
Is Caltric oil filter any good? Made for 4 wheelers and motorcycles
Hi Mike,
I dont know, I never opened one up.
What's worse ,all the excess glue on the Champ ,or all the pinholes on the K5 Kmart filter 🤔
Good Question❓
Is it possible the K Mart filter paper had dried and degraded a bit over time causing the pattern that showed microscopic spaces?
No.
I doubt it, JMHO
I'll bet the oil didn't stay very clean with the K -mart filter
Anti drain back valves should not be needed on filters that mount filter down. Maybe the rubber serves as a baffle to spread the oil flow to the filter element? An interesting note is on Subaru's that mount filter up I have noticed that oil drains out in a short time. Not much of an anti drain back. Maybe if it is leak back is slowed down, debris won't be pulled off the filter?
I think that Champ filter is actually made by Fram.
Made by Champion Labs, Champ Labs for short. Beside the construction type, says it on the box.
@@faxmen09
I Googled it and Fram bought Champion labs July 31, 2020
Some of the FRAM line is made by Champ, the FRAM endurance line of filters
Fram bought Champ labs July 31, 2020
@@RicArmstrong Nope. First Brands (formerly Trico) acquired Fram filters and later Champion Labs.in separate purchases. As accurately noted, topic filter made by Champion Labs, stamped spring is one of many clues. In lower tier Champ Labs made filters it also serves as "clicker type" bypass. Only Champ Labs uses that design, not Fram.
I dunno... I'd feel like a CHUMP driving around with a Kmart oil filter on. I'd have saved-up my allowance, and splurged for the Fram.
("Hey ladies... look at me in my cool K-5s".
Yeah, every girl I've ever gone out on a date with asked me to pop the hood open to find out what oil filter I was using before she would approve of me...
@@LA_Commander The way I had the girls come was riding or driving one of my living breathing horses! Women come to horses like a magnet to iron. Unfortunately the horse received most of the attention!
@@frederickbooth7970 LOL!!
What's a Kmart?
Kind of like a Walmart
If you don't know what is K-Mart, you missed out on some good times in old 20th century America.
They were a discount department store and competed with the likes of Sears and Montgomery Wards. Back when America was a actually a rich country and not the indebted mess that we've become.
@@BlackPill-pu4vi Still have many tools from Wards & Sears including a small tachometer / engine diagnostic tool that`s all electronic but hand held. Anyone heard of or use Hastings oil filters? That`s the brand we started out with in 1973 with our first Ford sedan when we began to work on our families vehicles myself.
.. seems wrong cutting open a piece of 70's History .. 🧰👨🔧🚫
Can't keep everything.