When you brought up Midoriya's quirklessness, it reminded me of this fanfic called 'Deku? I think he's some pro'. It's part of the For Want of a Nail series. In it he doesn't receive One For All and actually goes on to become a hero without a quirk. I loved it because it seemed like the anime kinda brushes off his being quirkless after he received a quirk and the fanfic goes into detail about how hard it is to be quirkless in a society that practically revolves around quirks. The same series also has an entry where Izuku says fuck it and becomes a quirkless villain called 'Mastermind'. I actually find myself reading and enjoying these stories more than the anime in fact. And now I guess I understand why. Everyone was written well enough except for poor Izuku
I am so surprised to find another person that saw those fanfics! To anyone wondering they are on Ao3, made by the author "Clouds". I also recommend "Virdian: The green guide"!
Deku's biggest flaw isnt even his personality, is how the universe bends around him and ruins what he should have been, instead of the underdog hes first introduced as, he gets god like powers from the best of the best , in the first season, then he only gets more overpowered as the show goes. also, the side characters have more depth than deku, so thats a problem.
If you think that the superficials side characters of MHA have more depth than Deku, you have a reading comprehension problem. Deku is not a conventional MC of a shonen nekketsu, he has a not very common personality for this type of shows. It by far better than all the tropes of side characters in this show (MHA), but I understand that the corny anime fanbase underestimates this characters and said things like this. You only generalize the character, you don't analyze anything.
@@doctordyrroth pretty much, and as the show goes on, he collects more quirks than a weeb collects bodypillows, from the let go , by just merely having one move of one for all, he outclassed like, 90% of his class
My biggest issue with deku is that despite wanting so desperately to be a hero, he did NOTHING to make that happen before the story. No training, no conditioning, no martial arts training, nothing. It makes it seem like, despite showing that he was willing to put his life on the line for it, he just didn't give a shit.
@@dharrman6799 he doesn't has to do that imo. Character like Aizawa and Hero Killer exist in MHA. I think quirkless Deku can be a hero if he really want to.
Tbh Hitoshi Shinso would make a good MC for Mha, having him would really take a deep dive into the discrimination of quirks and the wrongs of society, deku proves nothing about that because he has a “heroic” quirk (stated by Hitoshi himself)
The guy went through mild teasing and called it discrimination. He's just a petty fucker that does nothing to achieve his goals. He's even worse than Deku in that regard
" discrimination"? The guy was teased by his classmates and even all of them said he had a super cool quirk, he is the definition of a bitter teen who expects everything to go their way
Deku is someone I really used to like but my main problem is that he confirms to a society that would normally expell him. Horikoshi is someone who can build up a massively flawed hero world but he didn't flesh out these plot points. Even though Deku has stated that all men aren't born equal he follows regulation that don't help everyone. His desire to become the Nr 1 hero is a responsibility that Deku would still need to comprehend. Ever since Deku received a quirk that made him lose his uniqueness. Deku also doesn't seems to be open to reforming his villains. The spinoff manga vigilantes is actually what Deku's story should have been.
@@monkfruit That is not his fault and what do you want him to do about that? The only other time he ran into someone that was quirkless was Melissa from the first movie and he said that he feels bad for her but she says that she doesn't really care.
@@Killa312 so he just didnt mention being quirkless ever since? and where was the other 20% in the first place? only quirkless we have seen were all might and deku which makes no sense lol and it just makes deku's character so much worse when u realise that fact
I think Deku is a great character, but his beliefs are never challenged giving him a chance to display character or growth. Then Horikoshi is inconsistent when it comes to the consequences with his actions. Him being good is not an issue. He’s very similar to Spider-Man and Captain America I think Deku is interesting because his heroic attributes are a result of trauma and being bullied. He has NO self worth so in his eyes the most valuable thing about him is the quirk he was given, hence why he will always destroy himself to save others.
Agree that he is similar to Captain America, though the difference is their struggle. Steve Rogers (and I’m talking about MCU version) struggle with his environment, being in a different world than he's used to and having to move on only to discover that the people he worked with are either evil or want to do things that goes against being a hero, and he still keeps being a good person and still help people even if it means becoming a criminal. Midoriya is like the video said, the struggle of his own powers, which is not a bad thing, but there isn’t really much to reflect on society or the hero system. The closest thing we gotten is his fight with Gentle and that’s it, and sure, he did gone rogue and became a vigilante, but that’s gotten reversed pretty quickly to the point where there is no point or reason for that to happen, just checking the mark of ‘protagonist goes on a depression arc before the third act’ on their Hero's journey. I am not saying Midoriya isn’t a bad character, not good either, just poorly executed due to worldbuilding being thrown out the window.
@@TheYarheeguy yeah I agree with that, and that was more or less my point. They’re fundamentally the same character; Deku was just utilized poorly and his struggle (with power/quirk) is not as interesting as seeing his world views challenged and having him struggle with that, like captain america This video was saying his character (altruism, selfless) was boring and a part of what made him a bad MC
Deku was liked for being the "underdog," and we all love to root for the underdogs, but now he's not the underdog anymore. Hes just a "dog" to the system. Even having gained Allmight's quirk I would have loved to see him use his "privilege" to improve the lives of other quirkless and inspire them. Its almost like he is becoming Allmight, the same Allmight who was once quirkless himself and told a previously quirkless Deku he could never be a hero without a quirk. Like the message from Deku's characterization is "you cant be a hero without power and if one power isnt enough then you can just use another." They make it seem like theyre promoting togetherness and teamwork, "no hero can do it alone," then constantly showcase Deku surpassing/bodying everyone and how he can "do ot all on his own," people who have years of experience learning their quirks. We only really notice the other characters now because theyre more interesting, not because they're getting any spotlight, nothing focused on them anyways. And sure some of class 1A has had their own arcs and family drama, but Deku was at the center of each one, yes he's the main character but if we're focusing on the Todoroki family struggles we dont really need Deku, if youre there to support your friend then support your friend not "steal the show." The manga does a better job at not completely focusing on him during some of them but its not much better than the anime. I was literally cheering for Deku during the sports festival and now... I'm not even interested, we all know "this is the story of how i become the #1 hero" so the ending is set. Its not even Satisfying when he masters a new Quirk... Cause its not a matter of "how" its a matter of "when." We watch the show and read the manga for the other characters, and we only care about Deku to see how close he is to his dream
Because Deku was never supposed to the underdog of the series. He wasn't supposed to fight for the under privilege he was supposed to be the greatest hero the symbol of peace to gain a helping hand to everyone.
(TL;DR at the bottom)He's in his first year of UA. What privilege does he have? He's not swaying crowds or anything, he's just a hero student. Second, i don't know where people get this idea that the quirkless are discriminated against. You can assume sure but it's all headcannon. I say this because every time someone makes fun of Deku it's because he wants to be a hero. One like All Might especially. It's never stated it's like a disability that people make fun of but that Izuku with his quirklessness still wants to be a hero. We have no idea how the rest of the world views quirklessness. Third, about the theme. Izuku wants to be a hero like All Might not just a "hero". All Might is right in saying Izuku cannot be the Symbol of Peace without a quirk because have you seen the power of a flick of One For All? All Might doesn't say "Quirkless can become heroes like me!" he says "You can become and here's my quirk to do so." Is it a bit more bleak to say quirkless people can't be heroes like All Might? Yeah, but it's realistic. See my earlier statement of a flick of OFA. Horikoshi would either have to make it that Izuku somehow becomes the Symbol of Peace while quirkless or have him change his dream. One is straight unrealistic and the other is way worse for your theme. Imagine Naruto is like I can't actually be a Hokage, I should be an advisor or something. Not motivating at all. I think it's better that we have something like "Use your chances to the best of your abilities" that MHA gives. TL;DR. What privilege does he have? Second, Give me proof the quirkless are discriminated against and it's isn't jut because Izuku wants to be a hero. I'll wait. Third, Izuku cannot be the type of hero he wants to be without a quirk. Fourth, That's better than having the theme to be to change your dreams for something realistic.
Deku has a major savior complex and it’s pretty obvious. He needs to be the savior even when is obvious others can take care of themselves. The only explanation for such an annoying main character is that the people that wrote it don’t understand the difference between a real hero and someone with a savior complex. Also no one is 100 all good a lot of anime seem to forget that.
@@centipedekid9824the worst part is the manga rewarding this behavior and pushing on our throats that he is a "true hero" because of it. It would have made so much character development if he tried to save someone and made things worse for him to realize that his savior complex is unhealthy.
@@assssaaasasass THIS. I always noticed how Dekus lack of self preservation due to low self esteem, combined with a savior complex, are ALWAYS rewarded. Horikoshi treats having your limbs literally twisted and crushed into a pulp like a papercut. He never follows through with the threat that, if Deku breaks his limbs a few more times, he doesnt get to keep them. Every time Deku destroys his body, he wins the fight. Every tine hes where hes not supposed to be--stain, kamino, Gentle Criminal--it end up being a good thing where he wins the fight and no one else gets hurt, abd they "couldnt do it without him" Not only that, but the adults in his life never take him to task for it. Nezu, aizawa, all might, and his mom never do more than say "nuuu stahp" a MILLION times. Theres no consequences, suspension, expulsion, therapy--nothing And then when we get the setup of Deku having a quirk thats going to destroy him, a setup that, at sone point, is going to FORCE him to change or be forever disabled...and he gets 7 other powers that fix it all, AND that he masters in like two months. Deku has great potetial. I guess Horikoshi didnt
@@aceclover758 And whose gonna handle Toga, Machia, AFO, Dabi and prison escapees ? You situation require the story to remove all this characters from the equation entirely. Multiple quirks were introduced to make better fights and add choreography with diverse moves and combos rather than just punching each other really hard. Manga spoilers ahead I would rather have a epic final battle rather than whatever the fu*k DS tried to do. The final battle was horrible as Tanjiro barely has in involvement. Working together sounds good but looks bland as shit. Not to mention the fu*king power spike which can be already seen with fodder like Jiro being able to push back AFO. Oh lord not that shit with Shiggy. It's better if we get a epic 1v1 rather than a lame team battle.
@@aceclover758 Mary Sue means perfect from the start. Deku isn't perfect from the start. All these powerups are at the end of the story. Endgame main characters are all Mary sure if powerful means Mary sue no matter what the anime.
@@Agent-57 You can become one too And that is what Deku became Given many powers and stronger versions of them from their previous owners Now can use OFA with no drawbacks? And Deku achieved all this before the end game It invalidated him.
I think they should have given bakugou an older sibling who has close to both deku and bakugou but died protecting deku after he was 'diagnosed' as quirkless. This could help stem deku and bakugou's motivations and explain their bad friendship fallout better. Deku and baugou both trying to be heroes because of this one incident would have been intresting and a connecting factor. Plus it would also explain the defenless izuku or useless title better.
I hate takes like these because they're so ignorant. Like, yea fanfics can surpass the original story but that's props to the guys that made it. It's not why something is bad. They over 300,000 fanfics of mha, makes sense that some of them are written by some talented people. Second, Upload schedules for fanfics just don't exist or are not nearly as harsh as Shounen jump ones. Fanfic authors sometimes post every other month or not at all for years. If we were forced into those hours, I doubt our work would be as good as Horikoshi's. Third, and the biggest one. It's so easy to modify and change stuff as supposed to making your own. When starting out a fanfic you already have a rich, diverse set of characters that you don't have to build up for the audience to care about. If All Might was to die at the start of a fanfic, I would be upset but if that was the stat of MHA, I wouldn't give to shits. See why OC's are usually notoriously bad in fanfics now?
@@anonymoust6226 not really. you have a point but the fact is the source material is so bad. deku is literally a textbook mary sue going on a power trip. the premise is cool but the plot feels like something written by a middle schooler.
@@mroblige1018 it would end up being a copy and paste. you realize deku was supposed to be quirkless but shonen jump said no, why would anyone want their story to make it to shonen jump if they actually cared about it.
Ironically, the "Anime Batman" was the original goal. Shonen Jump, the compony, basically said no. Which is how we get the "Chosen one" aspect as a second hand option. Oddly, the lack of "human element" isn't really an issue to be honest. Some irl individuals are mentally lacking with particular drives which could very well have helped them, but doesn't cross their minds. I just find it nice to see a good one track mind character in a similar vein to Goku. Though as someone has pointed out, it could very well be the fact of idealism or childhood fantasy. But again, all the issues that you can point to where it all started was with Shonen Jump. We could have had the Anime Batman, but didn't because they said that it wouldn't be as cool. We could have had a decent story line where we learn about the world and see where things could have gone, have him use his mental ability to win fights instead of punch/kick to win. But with how Shonen Jump forces the artist to basically suffer under the wight of deadlines, it's hard for Horikoshi to actually put enough effort without making things feel like there hand-me-down's. And that's where I think we will need to focus more on.
In defense of Deku’s character: I believe his motivations does come from a human place, idealism or childhood fantasy, as children most us would see something on TV or in the real world and be like, I wanna be that when I grow, (most likely cause it looked cool) Deku was denied and insulted for his dream for most of his life and then is suddenly given the chance to achieve it through all might. Problem is he learns that his dream job isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, he sees many of flaws within this hero society: selfish Heroes only caring about popularity and status, the failed trainees that slip through the cracks of the system, and most of all how society creates its own villains. Through these experiences he gains a wider perspective on his dream of “being a hero to everyone.” He realizes that it’s not just the citizens and even other heroes that need saving but the villains too. Most of them people that got screwed over by society similar to him, it doesn’t excuse their actions by any means, but by learning the stories of the victims he can help make changes to society to slow of stop the creation of more monsters, that’s how he’ll surpass allmight, whose presence dissuaded monsters, Deku reforms them and stops them before they show up. And briefly on the topic of class 1A, the series has been clear in showing that society can’t stand on the back of one pillar else the entire thing crumbles when that pillar is gone, thus the importance of other rising heroes that Deku has trained with and inspired. Thanks for reading if bothered to.😂
Except whatever you said is either never expanded upon, more than maybe a chapter or is left too shallow. You can argue his motivations come from childhood fantasy, but the issue is after seeing the good and the bad side of the hero society he never questions it. The most we know about his motivation is that he is inspired by that one video of allmight, we never get to know why that video is something that he holds in such a high regard other than he saved people...okay? And what made him think unconditional heroism is cool considering his ass was bullied. Hell kirishima has more well developed reason to believe in unconditional heroism than deku, bakugou's reason for loving allmight was fleshed out better than deku. The problem is even after getting allmight's power and seeing the darker sides of hero society, his motivations are never questioned and his ideals are never once challanges The story tries to sell the fact that hero society can't be supported by one piller, and then proceeds to have the entire freaking war arc centred around super deku and hyper shiggy. Sure there are fights going on here and there by its beyond freaking obvious that they simply don't matter in the grand scheme of things as whoever between deku and shiggy wins can and will single-handedly turn the tide of battle.
For me I think It's all about the emotions of a child What deku experience is just because of his childhood like 1. Mom not encouraging him to become hero 2. Friends making fun of him being quirkless 3. Bakugo bullying him in childhood All he wanna do is to save people like the no.1 hero But the society broke his heart like this When he got chance to become hero he took it And about why he didn't questioned about bad side is because whom will he tell this , to public. But how Let's take an example: even if a politician want to ban alcohol he can't if his citizens don't want him to. It's like this but I really love his saving people spirit and his character development.
The problem is, the show NEVER AGAIN dives into his possible reasons. Pretty quickly, he never again feels anything or things about his abused and lonely past. He never again thinks about other Quirkless people. Never thinks deeper about the society that put him through hell for 14 years. Like someone said before, he went from being treated like a dog by society, to being a dog of that society
Yeah Deku is a pretty vanilla... He is even blander than boiled chicken with no seasoning I feel like the problem with Deku is that he is the main character... Let me explain alot of main characters in anime or cartoons usually have they're flaws removed as time goes to make them more Jesussy, so anything controversial or anything that would make the fan base be disappointed him is removed.... It's why alot of MC's get so boring as time goes on they're not allowed to have flaws or go through interesting character arcs all in an attempt to make them the moral center of the story It's why the rivals and supporting characters have the better characters arcs
that's a good point! definitely a lot of MCs who aren't given room to fail or be flawed. I think some authors are afraid of giving their MCs flaws because they're afraid of people not liking the series
@epicdude it's because people believe that he's always in the right which is so wrong. All the time Deku is in wrong like when he was being a vigilante pushing others away and trying to do everything himself. All the times that he destroys himself just to save someone. Sure it seems like he's doing a heroic thing but is it really?
Deku does have flaws. His recklessness and lack of self-preservation. These aren't just flaws that are just there either, he had these flaws becuase of his bullied past and discrimination against him, these flaws are even more apparent in the war arc. As even though his limbs are broken he's torn becuase he dosen't want to go back to the "useless deku" he was always called in the past. Same with the vigilante arc where he abandons everyone for their safety, not taking his own into account. Multiple charecters state how his mindset isn't healthy as well.
@@monkfruit You can make the same comparison to Boruto vs Deku as characters both characters are overpowered ,but Deku as a character is constantly repeating his character issues and unable to move on from them thanks to the rushed arcs In "My Hero Acdemia". While Boruto does change his attitude and perspective from what's happening between him and Kawaki. Boruto complained like a spoiled kid in the first chapter a lot in the beginning ,but now Boruto respects Naruto and loves him for being the Hokage. Boruto now has something to fight for and wants to protect. Boruto now wants to save both Kawaki and Naruto now despite the whole ninja world is against him. Deku being a vigilante now has not changed his character Deku may want to fight to understand villains but he will not change his opinion on him self. changing a characters personal perspective is "which is what character development is about" he still is just making stronger punches while fighting against his enemies what's even worse that Deku being a vigilante has not changed the hero organization's perspective of him they still consider Deku an ally which means Deku being a vigilante is a stupid cop-out to make him seem like Deku's taking a cool risk factor but in reality he's not taking any risks at all story wise.
to be honest if they wanted to have deku saving people make him be like the animated flash in dc animated series helping people by not just saving them but helping them out on a personal level while adding variety to how he needs to save people instead of just punching the next villain in the face and calling it a day. Have deku show that he goes out his way to help the small nobody by doing simple task like painting their fences for them or something that adds more substance, or if he could try to talk the villains down from doing bad things first before trying to blow their heads off with his quirk first. All deku is now is some strong guy that punches the strong villains to save the day. One arc almost got this right the Vigilante Story Arc started to do this but it went in a stupid way.
@@gimp7915you right. He got his license for being a hero so hes not a vigalante. What should have happened earlier in the story is that he fails to get the license. That would make the arc make more sense to why his class would want to go save him.
@@madsoulzz2087and like, the other heroes were behind watching him and planning with him so how he would be doing a "illegal activity" if he had the heroes approval on doing so?
@@assssaaasasass yep the story kind of falls apart under any nitpick. Hes not really a vigilante in the arc at all. The best way to tell if a story will be long lasting is if it can stand the test of time, aka still be good even after you've had time to relook at a piece of work & see if it all adds together correctly and doesn't have too many plot holes. A good writer would make a world & work to insure if their are as few plot holes as possible or if their are, they are either fixed or at least retconned so the story can still make sense and not break in on itself. My hero is facing this right now. For instance the mirio reveal in the arc just before vigilante was rushed and not set up well. Sure they had some of the steps in place but it just fell flat upon rereading the scene. He shows up does nothing then leaves the story like nothing happened next chapter. You'd think the writer would take more care and maybe save that moment for another arc or at least have mirio have a important role going foward, or atleast have something in between showing the progress was already very close and now a flashback just after he returns does not count its just lazy. Of course he just adds it in to generate hype then forgets about mirio ever existed after he got his powers back.
This comment has me crying 😭😭 straight up violated Deku but who honestly made that drawing??? Deku never once deserved the torch to be passed to him. He was a horrible mc from episode 1
@@BananasPogo He never was a horrible main character from the first episode. He has a decent start, and he had the potential to be one of the best new gen protagonists, but Horikoshi executed him wrong, which led to him becoming a failure of a protagonist.
@@darkwinter2009 You’re not completely wrong. First few episodes I didn’t hate/dislike Deku, I just thought to myself he was very predictable and one dimensional. Never thought highly of him, or thought he could become the best new Gen protagonist. But I didn’t hate him, just found him boring. As the series went on you’re right the mangaka did a horrible job with him, and I find most of the other side characters to be way more interesting/cool. Deku has little to no growth emotionally, he doesn’t have his values questioned, he doesn’t really face or grow from his failures. It’s one emotional speech + the power of friendship and he’s completely back to normal. If you take a look at s1 Bakugo or Todoroki, they’re completely different by season 5/6 and have grown to be better people. Deku is literally the exact same as episode 1, no growth. He’s just whiny and SO pathetic… really drags the series down. Even Ochako is a female version of him, so he doesn’t even have an interesting love interest that helps him grow. He started off as boring while MHA started off as unique with high potential. By season 4 it tanked and has become one of the biggest jokes in modern anime. Especially now with shows like Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, and Hell’s Paradise are out… MHA will only be remembered mostly for it’s cringe fandom shipping and nothing else.
Fuck Bakugo. That's all I can say. (for the record, I'm halfway through Season 5 at the moment, and I don't know if he gets better later, and I'm trying to avoid spoilers)
@@ilana6105true but like bakugo literally told him to jump off a building like i meannnn isn’t that suicide encouragement?????like dekus way to soft to forgive others like nah uh i ain’t forgiving someone who told me to jump a cliff😭🤧
It's been a while since I've seen the anime but man does this video hit the feelings i've had about the series. At the beginning of MHA I had the same idea that you had of Deku becoming a Batman-like character fighting with his brain instead of brawn, and they even had the roots established with the hero support course being brought up as well as a crazy pinked haired tech girl who had way more likeability and personality compared to the gravity girl Ochako(she peaked during bakugo fight).
i would like him so much more if he took the lessons he learned from being quirkless and applied them to real life. like trying to make a difference and change the prejudice against quirkless people, yknow?
Deku was never supposed be that he supposed to the greatest hero on how extend his helping to others when no one couldn't. The prejudice angle between quirk to quirkless wasn't supposed to main thing or major thing in the series knowing the context.
My problem with Deku has a protag is that when consider the amount of luck he had to get OFA is crazy. Like he would be dead if All Might wasn’t thete to save him when he suicide missioned to save Bakugo. Again when he tried to save bakugo with his friends, they were all fucked if the heroes didn’t show up. And don’t try to bring the “oh but he trained hard to deserve it” that’s not what I’m talking about. Deku never would have even trained to get stronger physically if he didn’t meet all might. My problem with him is that despite wanting to be the best, he never trained physically before meeting all might and afterwards despite knowing so much about heroes and training for so long he’s still reckless with his body and with other ppl’s lives. He’s a wet sack of an anime protagonist bc his entire story was 50% luck
but whats wrong with luck?? yes he was extremely lucky to get ofa, but mastering it and making it his own was his own doing. from breaking his bones to where he us now was definitely not luck, but because he worked insanely hard for it. definitely not 50% luck. the reason he didnt work before he got his quirk was explained by deku himself. because he a;ways knew deep inside that he could never be a quirkless hero, and stayed in hus delusion for the pure reason of not hurting himself mentally by giving up. which is why as soon as all might told him he couldnt be a hero, he immediately gave up. bc that small percentage of hope he had died.
They meant a lot of it came down to luck (like the universe bends to his will) not that luck in general is bad, and yes there is something wrong with that @reem6087 . Witnessing a growth in power isn't as compelling as watching an MC grow in character and Deku doesn't grow much in that aspect. This is what I've noticed: the more compelling MCs work on their character --> they unlock their potential --> and are rewarded with strength. Deku is the opposite. He grows in strength so unbelievably quickly (it's almost silly) to compensate for his character flaws rather than just work on those flaws in the first place which unlocks his potential. Instead, he gets what he wants with almost no repercussions and even when he loses a battle, he still gets what he wants in the end (so not even a proper loss). Abusing his body to get physically strong quickly seems all show and doesn't actually have meaningful long-term consequences. With that kind of abuse, he shouldn't be able to walk. This makes him an uninteresting and sometimes obnoxious character to a lot of people. I've never once thought of him as the underdog even though that's what the show keeps implying.@@reem6087
@@quin1455 NO A COMPELLING MC DOESN'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING. think of shinji and madoka( madoka magica) Madoka doesn't really do anything except watch the other character so she can make the right choice in the end. Shinji goes from extremely whiney to kinda relatable
In my experience, Deku's main problem is his likability. It wasn't as easy to like Deku as it was to like other characters like Naruto, Asta, Natsu, or even Tanjiro. Deku isn't really that charismatic compared to other shonen protagonists. Those characters personalities and backstories made them more magnetic. Deku's personality in season 1 is understandably weak and meek, it's somewhat annoying, but after that, he's kinda uninteresting as a person. Iruma-kun from Mairimashita Iruma-kun is a lot more likable despite having similar personality traits like being a pushover. however when Iruma acts weak are less out of fear but more out of kindness. Deku just doesn't feel as human as other characters from anime.
Id say tanjiro is reaching (but maybe its just me because i find him personally very lame) but i agree with this, it was so difficult for me to like midoriya and no matter what the anime does it just doesn’t do it for me
I’ve never thought about If Deku went the Support Hero and honestly it’s an amazing idea. He could’ve been on the same level of Saitama in the MHA verse. Like during the forest when he took on muscular it could’ve had even more weight as we see this support hero take on a villain as strong as that. He could’ve gotten control over his quirk much sooner and we could see him control how much power he has, or see him get rid of the restraints. Maybe limited people know how strong he is so everyone seeing Shigi try to take this support hero would be cool and Bakugou taking on AFO would’ve had more weight. Maybe he becomes a support hero because he felt like he didn’t deserve OFA, but eventually has to go to the front lines you know?
It only really took him a year And remember he saw all might as a god in his mind one for all isnt his quirk but all mights And god forbid he does anything different from all might
While I agree that batman deku would have been fun, he got the power in like the first 2 episodes. Its a minor annoyance built on preconceptions. There were a lot of ways that the story could have been more cohesive. For example, Deku attempts to train but hes denied because of lack of quirk. Or perhaps his bullies find out and torment him into giving up.. He tells his mom/teachers and they do nothing + the bullying gets worse. It explains his weakness and reluctance to do anything about his situation while tying in the quirk discrimination in a believable way. Hell, you could have had a scene where he overhears his dad leave specifically because of him being quirkless, adding to his issues. Then after he gets his powers society treats him better. His bullying could have led to an antisocial and distrustful attitude about him, leading to misunderstanding and drama with class A mistaking him for being a more polite Bakugo. Or he maintains his original attitude either through a mask or his improving situation. You could have had him witnessing a child being quirkless and either ignoring it and leading to self-loathing (even better if it happends around the eri arc) or getting involved, leading to different kinds of issues like for example one of his classmates trying to let the kid down gently and he just blows up at them, the situation hitting too close to home. Bonus points if theres a suicide of a quirkless kid leadong to the reveal that most quirkless are actuallu old people since quirkless kids rarely reach adulthood. Even more bonis points if this increase coincides with Allmights rise and his unintentional deification of power based heroism based on a superpower arms race. That could lead to a cobtrast between Allmights time and dekus, where batmanesque heroes existed but allmight made them irrelevent or something. All for one could further complicate things by having exquirkless minions with the quirks of their bullies, willing to die for him. I could go on.
My main issue is I don’t see what makes him different than other heroes other than his power which was given to him out of sheer luck. Like MHA tries to tell you he deserves it because of how he ran in to save Bakugo but seriously? Knowing the students in mha is the anime trying to tell me they wouldn’t have done the same in Deku’s situation? I don’t see what makes him different, as far as I am concerned MOST students have the same attitude as Deku and would give their life to save another. Yes I have read the manga and personality wise I still don’t think he is different from the other students
I get what you mean but that's why we have students like Iida, Ochaco, and Shoto who don't start off by wanting to become heroes for the reason Izuku does, to truly save people and be an actual hero. All the students we see do have heroic attributes but most if not all have other motives, such as ochaco doing it for the money and shoto doing it to prove his dad wrong (neither of which are bad or immoral but neither are truly heroic.) This is also why Stain is so important as he points out the need for fame, money and popularity in most heroes. This is why Deku is different, something Stain and others point out and it's what made All Might different
@@driplord7139 Even if their motives weren't pure, they still would have run in to save Bakugo, most of them would, which is what made All Might choose Deku, however I don't believe EVERY SINGLE student in that class had unpure motives in the begining, my point being Deku is not unique despite the show trying to tell us this many times, yet it simply isn't true. If the ENTIRE hero school was watching that Slime fight and no one stepped in to help Bakugo, then yes, Deku would be uniqie out of them, but we all know that wouldn't happen.
@@pipercharms7374 Good point but I think it's also the fact he was quirkless and was the ONLY person to step in even in the presence of not only civilians and capable heroes, but also the NUMBER ONE hero. When Bakugo asks why deku was chosen and not him All Might says because bakugo already had a strong quirk, deku had the heroic spirit but didnt have a quirk. Deku doesnt realise it but his own initial quirklessness is what makes him unique and gives him the necessary perspective to be such a great hero (same with all might being quirkless). Deku can see everyone else for how amazing they and their powers are, but always sees himself as inferior, (something that would benefit his character a heap if he himself addressed it, hopefully horikoshi decides to explore it)
@@driplord7139 That still in my opinion doesn't make Deku unique, there are still other people who are quirkless in this world, did All Might go around checking if every single one of them had the mindset to be a hero? No. He chose Deku because Deku was lucky enough to have an encounter with him beforehand and Deku was there at the right time, just running out to try and save someone and being quirkless, shouldn't be the way to pick someone for the most powerful quirk ever? For me it felt pretty unfair that Deku had only a summer of training, picked for the most powerful quirk under lucky circumstances, and surpassed all his classmates, some who had been training all their lives and some had as pure motives as Deku, some who eventually didn't at first but eventually would be JUST as worthy. I just don't see the students in the class any less worthy than Deku. In my opinion the kid who could float through stuff, can't remember his name, was just as worthy as Deku, not saying he should have got it instead but I just did not buy how the anime was trying to tell me, only Deku was good enough and worthy for it. In my opinion there were plenty of worthy candidates and Deku is not special, yes he was quirkless but it's not like Deku had any control over that, it even feels a little annoying that a allmight would use something at birth that Deku had no choice over, to pick him for the most powerful quick, like why should any kid who had a quick be disqualified in allmights opinion? Its not their fault, they were born with a weak or powerful quirk, and Allmight tried to frame it as "I gave something to Deku to let him step in the ring" with the other people with quirks, I'm like no, Allmight you gave Deku something that would help him become a world champion IN the ring, that eventually no one could surpass, thats VERY different! Theres a difference in helping someone become equal in a skill with their peers and helping and giving them something that would make them surpass their peers and become the "strongest" ever.
The problem with deku is that even in his villain hunter arc he feels the same, I wanted to see him growing a backbone maybe drop some one-liners once in a while
YOU PUT IT PERFECTLY!!! "Deku is so unrealistic that he can't engage with hero society. He needed to interact more with hero society." "He needed to care about the quirkless." That hits hard. Man, I've been wondering whats wrong with Deku and why I don't like him for YEARS! Thank you for putting it in a way I can understand! Great video btw.
Yes exactly during the story he has always been one sided. It felt as though something was missing and you put it perfectly. We never hear him mention anything about another quirkless person. I'm the Stain arc he encounters Stain who mentions fake heroes in his society. But after that fight it isn't brought up any more at all. He doesn't get a chance to question the hero system itself. Or simple giving someone the title of hero and villain. That line of thinking makes no sense in my opinion considering.
Mha also got me into anime 5 years ago. But i dont understsnd why people say deku is one of the best mcs. People say he gets one of the best development, but he just got a huge, flashy power handed to him and the other ofa users had to babysit him. Also, deku's powerups arent exciting anymore. Hes basically the most op hero in the verse. He doesnt have any flaws. At least tanjiro wants to turn his sister back to normal. But deku has no real reason to be top 1 hero, like what you said. This is why i liked the rogue hero arc because thats when deku started to realise that the world isnt perfect. He was by himself and he had so much potential for development. But then UA brought him back and hes back to square one.
THIS is the reason bnha is so disappointing to me, you have some cool shit happen, someone dies or gets captured, a city gets destroyed, and then the fricking bell rings and it's time to go back to school. I'm sorry, just an episode ago Deku and company were risking their life during a suicidal mission to stop a ridiculously powerful villain and now you expect me to care about their homeroom activities? Lol no. Edit: And I'm not saying you need to constantly ramp up the stakes without pause, but the backlash you get from all the jumping around between massively contrasting events undermines the whole show.
@@ignatz2THIS. Like the school part is what I realized is also a big flaw in MHA. What I don’t like is how a school that is about teaching kids how to be superheroes, somehow doesn’t have them go through more heavy training? Like, how is it that a school dedicated to making the next batch of superheroes teaches English of math. Like shouldn’t those classes be taken away and instead have different sets of classes that focus on more stuff that’s considered “heroic”. Also the lack of events that happen in a school is astonishing too. We only get the sports festival, but I feel as if though there should be more.
the vigilante arc was so cool it literally could've been perfect if it was WAY longer and deku didn't go back to UA for a longer time and when he DOES go back to UA he should be changed since he would've gotten development if horikoshi just did more with it 😭😭
0:10 YOU TOO?! Also, You’re amazing at downplaying how horrible Endeavor is. Like you can’t call the things he’s done, treating most of his children like failed experiments, a „shortcoming“
Except the story itself treats it like a shortcoming. A slap on the wrist is basically what he gets for all the s*** he puts his family through. Instead of his horrible actions being exposed and him being thrown in jail, he has an effing redemption arc...
@@MahiMahi-yu5joHe goes through more suffering than he would get in jail and atone for his sins and become a better man. How would the story be better if he was just put in jail?
When they relaunched the DCEU on animated movie, when Green Lantern thinks Batman is some vampire/metahuman like him he is shocked to learn that Batman is just a guy in a cape wearing a bat costume. This has always been peak character building of Batman since the 1930s because he is the normal man fighting against God Like threats alongside God Like colleagues. Deku was supposed to be the first quirkless hero since in MHA universe there was no such category and it would have been awesome. There are so many characters who's abilities do not give them a physical boost yet they found ways to give themselves a leg up. Nezu is the principal and he beats the students in his exam just by toppling some buildings like dominos. Night Eye trained his body like mad to supplement his quirk. He also learned martial arts and much more wielding 5kg paperweights and stamps as weapons with just his finger strength. Aizawa is pretty much fighting as a quirkless person especially if he is up against a mutant he has to take them down without so much as a knife. The potential was there yes that there are already pro heroes who fight in a quirkless style in function but no we got a whiny nerd who does nothing and everything wrong. I can forgive all that! Once he gets One For All he botches it up so badly. He wrecks his arm for what? He doesn't even train himself properly to use it without breaking his bones. He has to go to Gran Torino to learn to use only 5 % but he never really has tech or anything to support him. Basically he is trying to be an All Might clone and is wrecking his body needlessly.
I think the idea of him wanting to save people with a smile is a side of him unconsciously trying to become All Might without him knowing that. We can see it in season 4. I'm not going to spoil anything, in case of someone didn't see that. But yeah, he might not have anything just like you said, but the reason of WHY he doesn't. It's because he had a friend from 4 years old as a bully who said to Izuku to kill himself so he can born into something more useful 10 years later, with the idea of his IDOL and MANY OTHERS told him that he can't to suddenly his idol told him that he CAN be a hero was like a point where he needs to prove All Might that he can do it which had shaped Izuku's personality into what you said. Now, I do agree that there was no build up, but there we can't help it. Also Izuku is both perfect and bland character which you can put him in any kind of fanfic and it will STILL FIT. Sorry if I sound rude or anything
@@theshadowking3198 and slowly after some seasons having to know him, he sees him as father figure. You legit saw All Might wanting to give him food, caring about him, and etc
I still think the series would've been a lot better if he stayed quirkless. It would've further pushed the idea that "with enough hard work, you can be a hero too" and it can make him relatable and fights involving him would be more fun. but.. alas..
Anime Batman would need to learn martial arts. This is Japan. Schools in Japan have martial arts clubs such as Karate, Judo, Wrestling, Kendo, Archery, and so forth. Deku spent all his time taking notes, Tower of Babel, that no one cares about. Mumen Rider is over 9000 times a better man than Deku will ever be.
Even if Deku was to become Anime Batman....I think the world building as it is now in the manga will probably get in the way tho... He still have to find a way to get to a school to be a hero and a license...Even tho in the beginning Deku say they can even allow quirkless people to a hero and go to U.A. But....That's never happen tho... I still believe Deku is a better MC than most others....But I can understand your opinions why you think otherwise.
He could literally be a vigilante. The world told him he can't be a hero by conventional means so why not take it into his own hands and do it anyway like in vigilantes. You don't need a license to do hero work you do need it to get credit. Which to me is what it always seemed like Deku was about he was the glory of being like all might. He wants the public's affection that they never gave him. He wants to be a symbol a icon like all might. If he really wanted to be a hero he'd and to just help people he'd be like koichi. The original heroes were vigilantes and now because of house society works they treat them like a relic of the past when in reality they are no different then a licensed hero.
I think, honestly, Deku's development is not just powerscale. Its prooving himself. Feeling that others could have been given the power, Mirio for example, but it was him, so he wants to proove himself. Beyond saving everyone, I think it is also that. But I respect your opinion. I am gratefull for you finally not being one of those that judges him for crying a lot
I think he did talk about Deku having to prove himself. The problem is he already did, hes one of the most promising young heroes of his gen if not THE most. Its that afterwards he hasnt moved since. It might seem like he did but he didnt.
I mean that would be perfectly fine imo. But he would have to actually prove himself. Both my favorite and least favorite moment in the show was Mirio vs Overhaul when Mirio lost his quirk, yet that didn't stop him. He kept fighting even after being put in the same position Izuko was at the start of the show. Which just showcases what Izuko could and should have been like.
Being a "nice guy" doesn't mean you have no room to grow. The only things that limit that character type are the writer's closed mind and the audience's even more skeptical perception of the archetype. Nightwing (Dick Greyson) and the Flash (Wally West) are *the* nice guys incarnated in the Western superhero media, yet they're some of the most beloved. They're morally decent, funny, and dorky, yet at the same time they're put in difficult situations where they become paranoid and act out of characters, argue with each other or question themselves, only to reunite and be better heroes and friends later on. This is how you progress the 'nice guys' by subtly shifting the 'scale': you put the characters in different sorts of challenges and corruptions that they can only overcome by being true to themselves, becoming more mature, more compassionate as well as becoming better people and heroes than they were. Contrary to many people's beliefs, being a 'nice guy' in modern society is something you *earn, maintain* and *develop,* not something you have and be done with it. Deku *does* have the definitive 'human' elements: he's an Otaku and a borderline hopeless hero worshipper. You can write countless dramas out of those qualities without sacrificing his decency: The fact that he can no longer treat superheroes like fun and cool pastime, the fact that the real world is grittier and more dangerous than what's shown on TV, the fact that his hero turns out not as great as he thought, the fact that people around him may get hurt or die because if his reckless actions, and the fact that everything he believes about being a superhero or the world is wrong, and that disappointment's what killing him from the inside. The only way Deku can become the #1 hero is to prove that he is virtuous no matter what kind of adversary he meets, not just bad guys that he fights, but also things that ideologically challenge his very core character. After all, personal virtues and ethics are the things that define a superhero, not what sort of quirk you have or how hard you can punch or kick bad guys. All in all, it boils down to Horikoshi being a bad writer. He may be capable of creating a main character that resonates with people, but he does not understand the essence behind the superhero genre or how to develop a good protagonist. He also doesn't seem to be the guy who cares that much about superheroes despite writing about them. He would rather spend time building up bad guys or framing how bad society is without juxtaposing it with the heroic standpoints and counterarguments. The way Deku turned out in the ending after everything he's done is REALLY telling about his piss poor attitude toward the character.
According to a comment somewhere in this comment section, he wanted to but his editors and other higher ups in shonen jump said no. Along with very tight weekly deadlines.
I had an oc who was similar to your idea at 11:08. I had his backstory of him wanted to become a hero, but because he saw his mom with a hero who he tried to save but the oc's mother died, my oc became a villain
I agree. I also hated tanjiro for this very reason. his character is one dimensional. deep hate for only the demon king, and would try to "talk" with demons even upper. but when they attacked people infront of them they get mad. ignoring the fact they ate alot more people. Tanjiro vs Daki, he actually was mad and asked if killing was ok for them, but that only happened after he saw people hurt. and even then he let them reconcile. as if they didn't almost kill his best friends and a hashira with the entire village with it. but the scene in the anime when his sister was burning gave tanjiro alot more humanity. he was choosing between his sister and killing an upper moon and saving THREE lives. we all hear him contemplating whether to go and save them or find a way to save both, but we ALL saw the choice he already made. whether it was intentional or unintentional, he chose his sister. being selfish for once, even if he's trying to save the others he never MOVED an inch from his sister. meaning he already chose to save his sister than ending a man that killed thousands.
I can understand Tanjiro feeling sadness or sympathy for the demons after he's already ended them because his sister is a demon and therefore he views them as more human, but yeah, trying to talk things out with beings that have clearly eaten hundreds of people is pretty stupid. I wish the mangaka gave him more hard choices. Even the one you mentioned, which I also really liked, was just waved away by the plot 5 seconds later by upgrading Nezuko again. It's like the plot saw that he was about make a morally wrong decision and just said, "Oh, let me take care of that for you." I kinda wish that he was kicked out of the Corps after the Hashira found out about Nezuko and had to fight the demons and the demon slayers trying to kill his sister. That would've been interesting
1.What is the point of mha?? 2. what are the themes the author wants to explore?? 3. How will deku change the society by being no 1?? 4. How will the discrimination of quirkless people be solved or atleast lessen? I had watched up to season 4 or 5 but i can't seem to find these things in the story. If anyone knows please inform me.
I watched MHA from season 1 - 6 so here are my response to your questions: 1. "What is the point of mha??" To be another shonen battle anime. 2. "What are the themes the author wants to explore" How society is shit. 3. "How will Deku change the society by being No. 1?" He won't change anything. 4. "How will the discrimination of quirkless people be solved or atleast lessen?" No clue.
@@iem-axoltleaterI have Einstein memory I don't even forget about the chapters I read in my college but my hero academia for the first time in my history I can't remember anything about season 6 which just ended like7 months ago I remember anieks which I have like watched some decade ago but can't remember MHA that's how borring season 6 was like it's like I forced myself to watch it
1. It’s a shonen manga about a superhuman society 2. Anyone can be a hero 3. We don’t know because he’s not no 1 yet 4. There’s literally no way that he can. He’s 15, how do you expect him to fix a large scale systemic problem like that?
On god, Deku would've made for a much more interesting character if he had become a villain, I remember reading this one Fan comic and my god its pretty well written.
@@TheManUnderTheSun i dont remember the title 😭 but I found it on youtube and it was about if Deku was never able to become a hero. And instead worked with All for One and the others. Imho it was pretty wholesome near the final chapter and Deku actually felt like a proper mc but I couldn't find the next continuation of the story.
I agree. His development in my opinion could have had him slowly become cold and a “do what needs to be done” attitude to counter Bakugo’s development.
One person that does the whole I want to be a hero thing, right is Shirou Emiya from why he wants to be a hero is because he wants to see happiness of helping others like he saw when Kirisugu save them from the fire of Fuuki and they are on cemented that ideal by promise to being a hero of justice as his adoptive father died he saves others to see himself. He’s utterly selfless because he’s selfish because he is the only survivor of the tragedy.huge survivors guilt. And places others before himself because of it I can’t stand when others protect him, or go in harms way for him he has more motive, more reasoning to become a hero or what it means to be a hero, then Deku that doesn’t even get started on the relation of power and theme of the entire story as it fits perfectly fate stay night is literally a story of Shirou emiya
Except the entire fate show out side the time line repair stick and goofy moments in multiple branches, are about how what Emiya wants is a giant contradiction that leads him to a path of self destruction unless Rin is involved. The show smacks you in the head with a stick several times in the Emiya is being a dumbass, don’t do this camp.
I enjoy the Alternate Universe fanfictions more than the series. I remember a very good one that, for some reason that I won't bother explaining, because you already know it, Deku commits suicide, only he was found by some villains who took him in and dehumanized him. The fanfic focused on the fact that no one knew who the new Deku was, and while everyone was investigating about it, they realized the weaknesses that existed in the school, in a poor classification system, attention, environment, and how everyone perceived them, even some villains end up feeling sympathy for the boy, who is now more of a walking sack of meat and has so many problems in his head that he can barely carry on a conversation without exploding or breaking down. He ended up becoming a kind of analogy and I loved him. Here's the kicker: I read this when I hadn't seen the series, and when I finally saw it (and read the manga) I was extremely disappointed that what I was seeing was simply a modern Dragon Ball, excellent for new members of the anime community , but I'm already past that time.
I have an MHA OC, an adult woman who is quirkless and desperately wanted to be a hero when younger, like Izuku at the beginning: however, in the present day, she runs a restaurant with her husband, and is pretty damn happy with her life. To show what Izuku's future could have been without a quirk.
Deku would have been more interesting if he instead of getting quirks became some sort of science genius or something and used that to compensate lack of quirk. Like oh I got no powers fine I’ll become a hero in different way but no the universe just gives him stuff bc protagonist. Just and idea
Yeah. I went to watch Boku no Hero after watching a certain magical Index. I found both worlds very similar, on one side a city made up of heroes with hero schools etc, on the other a city made up of Esper children who also go to school etc. But I realized that Boku no Hero sends the message that if you don't have powers, you are automatically weak and useless, while in Index they show that power is not the only thing that matters. 60% of Espers in Index were not lucky enough to awaken their powers, but this does not stop them from seeking their own strength through alternative sources: knowledge, artillery and military training, martial arts, street freestyle and even ultra-resistant robots and suits provided by the city where they live. And yet the struggles are determined by a combination of power, knowledge and strategy and not just power.
the most confusing about deku is that he kinda never get consequences for his actions especially when he goes full one million percent and causes him to lose his main weapon of one for all and you could argue that shoot style is get getting to learn but until the war arc where he magically can use one million percent of his power to his arms which the doctor said he could lose his ability to used his arm ever again why kinda ruined his action has consequences other mc get to suffer the consequences of their actions like tanjiro they called him a traitor and should be killed because he had Nezuko and asta even he saved the clover kingom get accused by the attack because he had the powers of a demon and whenthey force him to reveal his power just to saves marie and still get hated by the royals even saitama could always get consequences like he destroy the meteor which caused to shatter and destroy multiple houses and nearly lost genos for being late on time
@epicdude yes exactly but now he getting knew quirks out of nowhere and can use it properly without drawback where the learning to master one for all and not breaking you're bones
@@atstriker947 that probably the only consequence the mha face when hawks kill twice In cold blood he some heroes didn't acknowledge this or his student and endeavor when he abuse his family he didn't get hate by his sidekick or agency or two random people
@@atstriker947 when he already master it the quirk every minute and know what to do with them and the gauntlet from the first movie didn't show how he got it he didn't struggle when he decides to go all out while using all of his quirks without difficulty
Deku was designed to be a Batman initially but this proposal got rejected by JUMP. Mangaka cannot create everything they want if they belong to a company. I like many characters in MHA because how Hori San depicted them for the societal issues. I agree with you that Deku is too flawless. Even after the “dark Deku”, his character arc isn’t as strong as others One thing I hate the most is too see him got used to using “one more” new ability in a few minutes while other people need to practice for years. I know he’s endeavoring but everyone else is ALSO endeavoring. What makes him special? Isn’t he the one to represent Quirkless?
Tbh, I disagree with pretty much every point this video has since a lot of it seems mostly subjective. A lot of people's problems with Deku more or less come down to what they wanted out of him as opposed to his arc as it is. That's more or less the pattern that I see with these kinds of videos. Tbh, I'm not exactly different since Endeavor's character arc is kind of similar. I really dislike how Endeavor's arc has been handled. A lot of it more or less has to do with people wanting different things out of the story.
@@alifhaiqal9965 While that's not necessarily what I'm saying, I do feel like there isn't much that really needs to be changed about My Hero if the themes and narrative all remain the same. Again, the only character who I've genuinely grown to dislike is Endeavor, and tbh, his arc as is probably would work for me if it was tweaked slightly.
@@You-Tube-n5k Well Endeavor did state to Natsuo who hated him specifically that he wants to atone for what he did, not forgiveness. The only real issue here with Endeavor's whole arc of redemption is that Endeavor, while he has clear backstory of him being abusive with his family, we do not know jack shit what he was like before that. So unless Horikoshi puts out time to explain the origin of his, we will be left in a dark about his entire arc regarding his own past.
@@MaksFaks-kl1zj Tbh, I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with us not knowing much about him before he was abusive. The issue for me is that he hardly goes out of his way to atone. He honestly does jack sh*t to atone overall. He does one thing that ultimately doesn’t add up to much. And the only reason he does anything involving his family later on is because he’s actively forced to.
@@You-Tube-n5k Perhaps so, which is why we need a backstory of Endeavor's character, because if it does turn out that he was abused in the past even by harsher standards, then that attitude might have carried on to him later in his life (this is of course pure conjecture, and it is not guaranteed to be that way, as sometimes, stuff happens and writer messes up the story), which would lead the audience to actually understand and empathize with what he did. Without a backstory, we do not understand completely for his wish to atone for what he did, and honestly, it would have been far more selfish of him to ask for forgiveness, at least as of now, because he hasn't atoned for what he did. And that is made perfectly within the series itself, as Shoto tells him that he will wait and see where it goes, as he at least will give a chance to see if such sudden change of Endeavor's will lead to something, but ultimately, Shoto has stated explicitly that he will not forgive him. And as of now, he obviously is right, so the whole debacle regarding Endeavor will end once Horikoshi... I dunno, give Endeavor a backstory before he became a man he is in the current plot setting.
My problem with midoriya is not his base character, but the digression of it ever since the final arc. The whole point of the dark hero/villain hunt arc was about him learning that hes more than just the host of ofa. And in the final arc its ALL he talks about. Theres barely a single line where he isnt thinking about his quirk and it makes him exactly what he wasn’t supposed to be
I remember back when I first realised Deku's failure as a protagonist, I asked myself "what went wrong?" I think this video sums it up pretty well. It's also extremely upsetting to see what he could've been. Not in the fan concepts or interpretations, but the actual beta concepts for his character; specifically Yamikumo (I think that's his name). I genuinely want to see a video talking about Yamikumo because he's so interesting. He's (from my interpretation at least) a quirkless child that learnt that being cruel is the only way to garner some dignity for himself. Looking at the real art of him, I get the vibe that he's either batshit crazy, or some manipulator that's willing to lie his way to the top. An arc of Yamikumo learning how to earn respect honestly, but also coming to grips with the fact that he's becoming exactly like the system that hurt him and then striving to change that for other quirkless people is so much more interesting than what we have now. I also think Shinso would make a good deuteragonist in a story with Yamikumo. Villain personality + villain quirk.
11:20 Gentle is a perfect narrative foil for Deku and encapsulates a lot about what you’re saying in this section. Further down the line he faces Aoyama, where it’s revealed that he was also quirkless and that builds a whole different atmosphere. Lady Nagant was a hero who went mad due to the corrupted hero system set in stone and she teaches Deku about the imbalances of society. Read up.
I really don't understand Deku I get it he's kind and wants to save everyone but he's trying to save Shigaraki who murder hundreds of people, destroyed cities and once he left the control of all for one and still wants to create chaos. DEKU STILL WANTS TO HELP HIM. Like isn't that too far what about the families who lost everything because of Shigaraki. NOT EVERYONE CAN BE SAVED.
Ur not wrong but gran Torino literally said it himself that killing is another way of saving, implying that deku "saving him " is most likely him going to have to kill shigaraki expecally with AFO trying to takeover his body currently
I find it really funny that if someone kills a lot of people pointlessly Deku wants to "save them". But if you experimented on a SINGLE child you are the most evil being in his eyes. (And at least Chisaki had a plan and a clear objective while Shigaraki for half of the series did what he did for shit and giggles)
Deku for me is too perfect. He seems to have no flaws and it makes him unrelatable. Most conflict is resolved by him at the end too, and sometimes it feels like they forced him into being the resolution to challenges faced by other characters that would be far more satisfying to see them solve on their own. I think a great way to deal with "too perfect" savior type characters is to unironically kill them off. I think it would be incredible to matyr deku and have all these great side characters pick up the torch and deal with the darkness of their inspiring friend that both brought them together and that they relied on to fix everything is suddenly ripped from their lives. Maybe this could also strengthen the reliance certain characters have on one another and pull other ones apart
Honestly, the fact that the main character is one of the least interesting characters in MHA is disappointing to me. Like, I can get behind the Chosen One trope when it's done well, and a character that starts out as 'just a good guy' is nice and all, but when a main character is so static they fall behind even side characters- like Mineta when he stopped- it's just sad. Even the Vigilante Arc doesn't really do anything for Deku's character. Once the Arc's over he just returns to being the same as before.
13:25 if you actually read the series you find out Deku’s character pivots about mid-way through the series and it becomes exactly that. When he gets back to UA he even says: “this is the story of how I became the greatest hero - no, how we ALL became the greatest heroes. It’s pretty hard to miss you know.
@@jeffali5157 no, all of class 1A, the pro heroes and even society is there too. The reformed hero ranking system in the final chapter solidifies that too. It’s a major shift in the story’s theme that is without a doubt displayed in the narrative.
the ranking system didn’t get reformed, it got expanded to include others but the gist of the ranking is still there to include who’s the best when it shouldn’t be, so it’s a shift that ended up going nowhere as many of the big issues didn’t get fixed or just insanely rushed.
I think you could have given Deku One for All at the start of the series. However, Izuku himself needs to be different. At the start of the series, he has given up on being a hero. He is more jaded because of his realistic approach to life. I do this because it'll be easier for Izuku to change his viewpoints on villains and hero society as a whole. For example, during his encounter with Stain. I would have it a pure 1v1. This forces Izuku to fight such an overwhelming force on his own. However, his intelligence comes into play during the fight. He doesn't know how Stain's quirks fully function. However, he knows that he can't let Stain lick the blood off of the blade. It shows he is paying attention, on the fly thinker, and given enough time to grow. He would be a genius on the battlefield. Eventually, Stain asks Izuku why he is desperately trying to protect a person like Iida. Izuku replies that if he left now. He would be abandoning him to the fate that Izuku had been abandoned. Whenever he got beaten by other quirk users. He was left alone to lick his wounds. He doesn't want other people to feel what he has to experience. This tells us that Izuku is here to save people, not just stop people. Stain recognized this to be just like All Might's ideals but different enough. However, it's something Stain can get behind, and ultimately, this spares Deku a death sentence. Izuku learns a lot from Stain, and as the story goes forward, Izuku's perceptions continue to change. Even to the point of realizing what La Brava and Gentle are to each other. The two saved the other. This forces an inner conflict within Izuku. Does he let the two mere pranksters go so that they could continue saving the other from their own demons, or does he take them in and condemn them. As both will be separated. Remember, he wants to save, not stop. He could save them, but only if he let's them go. Yet, he would have to keep this a secret, and he isn't able to tell everyone why he missed the dance concert. This forces Izuku to grow, and we can see more of the grays of society and how they would have an impact on Izuku as a whole. That even with One For All, it's not easy being a hero.
My biggest issue with Deku is the direction in which he is taken. Deku is different than other children. Deku is constantly discriminated against, considered less by society, considered incapable. Sounds familiar? It's because this could be taken as a strong symbolism for minorities in our own society. I see myself in Izuku, because I'm neurodivergent, I live this struggle every day. So I was expecting an overcome. I was expecting Midoriya to rise as a hero and show this society that, with or without a quirk, he is capable. But no, what I got was a typical "chosen one" plot with Deku miraculously receiving his powers from the number one hero. C'mon! It's seems like this story is telling me that Deku can only be a hero if he has a quirk. Doesn't that mean that my quirkless ass can simply not be one too? See how problematic that message is? It's like it's telling us that we can't win unless we are different the who we are, and that's really fucked up.
12:44 it also happens in the joint training arc when blackwhip emerges and Deku can’t trust OFA entirely. He verbatim says he needs to finish his fight with Monoma and Shinso quirkless. In the recent manga chapters it’s the same thing But amplified.
Deku is my favorite character in the show however some story I created did something similar where he still has OFA and never loses it at all but he also has PS4 Spider-Man intellect and technological prowess and Batman’s tools, analytical skills, and his master strategist abilities. On top of that he has a ninja sword that Stain gave them when the two just talked out their problems and a pistol designed specifically for killing Nomu.
@@generalhorsecok7331people like endeavor who originally thought being a hero was about being number 1 with certain heroes doing it only for fame or money or just a job that needed to be done that's it.
I completely agree with you there most of what he achieved was served by a silver platter, the most that he struggled with was that he always felt weak even after training for so long (just like tanjiro for at least half the series)
7:04 Omfg the anime community has to stop hating on Tanjiro, just because he’s a bland protagonist doesn’t make him bad cuz blandness can have meaning (for example Denji from CSM). His character arc is interesting because he has a good reason to want to save demons because they were once human. He also just wants to heal his sister which is refreshing to see in Shonen. End of rant (but you add on to my comment by analyzing his character in a positive light)
I honestly hate how they make the whole world revolve around him. Like i get it, he is the main character, we are hearing HIS story. But why does he always have to be the one to end the fight? In most of the anime he isnt even the strongest person, he is just a student. Yet he always gets nosy and jumps in as if he is the "only" saviour of the world. There honestly a lot better quirks than one for all. One for all is supposed to be just a power quirk but it was made better thanks to the quirks of previous wielders. If consider one for all alone, other quirks like todoroki, bakugou, eraser head, creati and many more seem a lot better since they can be used more strategically. All deku can do is punch, kick or blow air.
My biggest buff with him is that he is a crybaby who simps his own bully, I mean imagine naming your hero alter ego by the slur that was used to be used to undermine you and claiming that the name now means "I can do everything" lol
Embarrassing story: I used to take a Japanese language and culture class. I asked my teacher what deku means and she said she doesn’t know because it isn’t a real word in Japanese.
The Story of Anti-Villain Deku: After being bullied by Kacchan, saving him, getting yelled by Pro Heroes, All Might turned his hopes down and Society criticized him, he's not going to let that corrupt him. He knows that there's another way to become a hero. After he saw and heard a quirkless, former, Pro Hero's speech about how he's a skilled fighter on the internet, Deku started to train like hell. After that, he decided to be a vigilante and did a great job at saving people and defeating villains. Some Pro Heroes are jealous that Deku, a quirkless vigilante is doing a better job than them, so they decided to brutally humiliate him to Society who actually enjoyed it. After that, AFO "saved" him. Anti-Villain Deku's new goal is to kill the ones who deserves it and change the world's ugliness.
You say that Deku should interact with Hero society more, but isn’t that what he is doing in Season 6 vigilante arc and the manga especially with the Nagant arc and him wanting to save the villains (I don’t actually read the manga but hear a lot about it)? Even early on with gentle criminal I feel like he confronts this. Or when he inquired more about what led to Muscular becoming a villain.
One thing that really annoyed me was dekus willing to forgive. I just wish he could learn that some villains dont need to have a backstory to become evil, and i wish we could have a more of a conversation about if killing villains is okay if its for the greater good, and how sometimes that is the case. And when endeavour got revealed to be an abuser or even when he first heard about it back in season one, i wish that could have been used for him to question the hero society, quirk discrimination and how not all heroes are good. Especially since he is a person who always admired heroes, and especially since he was bullied by someone who wanted to be a hero. Edit: Another thing that annoyed me was even though he was warned he could lose his arms if he kept using ofa, he kept using it and turned out okay even if he used 100%. He doesnt really have any consequenses in the show, none of his friends or family dies or gets so hurt they cant use their quirk anymore, nor does that happend to him. And it makes the fights kinda boring in a sence that you know he wont die (hes the mc so obviously he wont die, but you get what i mean) nor will he get knocked out even in the first season when he couldnt control his quirk. Like you said in the video i wish he could have learned to fight without ofa, especially since then they could open the question of "can quirkless people become heroes" since it feels like they forgot about and answered it pretty fast considering how deku only got to be a hero bcuz he had a good quirk.
Da fuck you mean deku only wants to be number 1 hero just so he be good guy!? It literally tells you he wants to be the best hero because he wants to save people with a smile on his face like all might. When In a dire situation you need a beacon of light to come save you and that exactly what deku wants to do is he wants to help the little guy out who has no chance against all the evil in the world he doesn’t just do it for himself but for others. Deku literally embodies what it means to be a hero💯 Note:you don’t need to be a superhero to be a hero.
I feel like all of your criticism was resolved in the ani/manga, but wasn't enfasized enough. Like the powerless problem or someone that he couldn't save: those topic were touched, but really briefly, they weren't explored enough. (Sorry if my spelling was horrible, english is not my first language)
wtf I guess people with these thought are never going to enjoy the anime , They are not able to relate with Izuku, When I see the first episode , I got addicted to the series because the feeling the emotion it's offering it creates a hype that various anime shows are not able to offer it is simple as that, it has no high level animation but the hype izuku creates it is obove any animation .
my main issue with deku is he never went through some super serious training to achieve his power, he was given it by the strongest person in the world, sure he did that little training arc that as a whole lasted not even a minute in the episodes, but all might stated that it was "barely enough to get a quirkless kid into U.A"
Everything you said, people said about Naruto Uzumaki 15 to 20 years ago. It was the real young ones at the time that loved Naruto and pushed the series into the stardom it has now, the same us happening to Deku and Tanjiro. Then when the next generation comes, they're going to compare the next gen protagonists to characters like Deku and Tanjiro, because kids become adults and their issues, regardless of how simple they seem to us older folk, will mean a lot to these kids.
You clearly know how to make a good video production wise but the research for this was very bad. You can tell by the fact that all of your major arguments for this video can be disproven. My advice, just continue the series! I don’t know where you left off but based on your criticisms you would really like the direction it’s going in. Peace.
My biggest gripe with Deku and My Hero as a whole is that they did NOTHING with the whole "Quirkless" thing. What originally hooked me (even though it didn't last that long) was that Deku wasn't "special." He's our main character without a Super Power in a world where 4/5 of the population is born with them. The setup for his character to be "Anime Batman" was there, and that's where i thought his character was going. After being told to unalive himself by a peer he idolized, to being told he couldn't be a hero from his favorite person in the world besides his mom, it was a setup for a more broody character. Hence, Anime Batman. And then... they just piss all over that idea by saying "fuck it, let's make him the successor to Superman." Which would be fine... except that it proves Bakugo right. Deku wouldn't have been a hero if he hadn't lucked into it. Which isn't the message i necessarily... expected? I expected Deku to prove them wrong by signing up for UA and doing it "his" way. Maybe, like you suggested, he tries to go for support, but he does so well in the exam by using his wit and knowledge that he's put into 1A instead. We could've gotten an arc where, even though his classmates are nice to him, he still has to earn their respect because "he's quirkless" and him getting into UA "could've been a fluke", with the only one having any sort of belief in him being Ochako. This could've given even more weight to the "Deku v Bakugo" fight, and that fight could've been the first signs of respect from Bakugo, who underestimated this "quirkless loser", which also would've given more meaning to his apology later on. But no. Instead of that, instead of all these interesting ideas, lets instead make the Bully character right. Deku couldnt be a hero without a quirk. And that just infuariates me. Deku may not have been "special" because he didnt have a quirk, but that ironically MADE him special. Talk about a wasted opporunity.
And what makes this SUCK even more is the fact that the mangaka makes him Teacher Iron-man in the end!!! Making all that nepo baby hypocrisy ultimately mean nothing. This is what I call an "Oreimo Move", they go all out with the bad idea for the entire series onky to renege on it at the last chapter...
You're wrong. Deku WAS good, up to a certain point. The most interesting thing about him is his suicidal selflessness and the fact that this is portrayed as a bad thing. At first, I kind of felt as you did about him technically being op at the start instead of going a Batman esque underdog route, but actually, him getting OFA is cool because he has to rip himself apart to use it, which is especially worrisome given his personality. Where it started going down hill is when he panicked and went back to going 100% with his arms, and this had no real consequence, even though the scene made it feel like it was gonna. When, after Black Whip, he was mastering the new quirks too easily. How he finally snapped, went vigilante to protect the school at the price of his mental and physical health, and it seems to me like we're just gonna move on from that without anyone really talking about it.
And he kinda gave up way too easily when encountered with his classmates. I get he was tired and all but Horikoshi could've just made Deku escape and continue the vigilante arc where we get to see how his mental state has been from the previous events and maybe even see some of his trauma from bullying while seeing how terrible the hero society was changing Deku's view of things. It honestly could've been like the best shit we could've ever gotten from the series honestly.
I understand that deku follows anime tropes too much, but he is the only one that does (if you don't count tanjiro from demon slayer). I know that conflicting characters are interesting and complex, but it is because deku isn't like that that I love mha. It's a story that holds the tropes and uses them to their fullest potential, making an enjoyable, even if not complex, power fantasy that I, personally, find refreshing amongst the other anime like jujutsu kaisen and aot that try to get emotion from the viewer through their philosophical and gory scenes instead of the overanimated, goosebump-generating fights like mha does.
A huge flaw of deku and good characterization is his self-destructive personality. As an anime only watcher, it was clearly show. Throughout the series, but they never directly addressed and resolved it. He just takes a bath and lets his friends help him. No closure or solution to his self destructive nature.
11:05 Ok I find it ironic that you mention this since this is well my character will have this tragic backstory that made him into a villain and this is going to be in my MHA comic. 😂
I could only watch until season four before i had enough with the story just pulling plot out of their ass. Literally give jim a single negative traight that IS his fault, make him take accountability. I love ururaka and she gets hard sidelined for the sake of love plot with her, which is also just as neglected. Literally every single side character is more interesting than the main protagonist. Even the guy whos quirk is a tail, hes weak, he knows it, but thats a flaw and id rather see him try and improve rather than deku. HECK EVEN THE INVISIBLE GIRL, SHES MORE INTERESTING THAN DEKU
Fax, they should just make an episode where Kirishima and Mina or Kyoka and Denki actually interact, it shouldnt be all about Deku, that takes it too far
So clearly there's a lot of people who think like you, 2k of likes, however I think that Deku does grow a lot during the series. First of all he got the powers of All Might (basically Superman) but he can't do shit with them without training his body. Then when he managed to control some of it it was at the expense of getting injured, and when he managed to get that under control he started facing enemies way stronger than him with a fully unleashed Shigaraki and the return of All for One. We see him go into a dark and lonely path on S6 second half in order to avoid putting others in danger, and he had a bad habit on getting himself on harm's way in order to achieve any goal without thinking of relying on others to share his burden, however he was proven wrong by his class mates. So yeah, I get it that for some people the support characters or other main characters might be more interesting, but I don't consider him a failure of a character either, that's my opinion.
Deku is like Goku but without what makes goku interesting. Goku is a completely static character, but what makes him interesting is that he's a wall. Other characters either die or change in the face of Goku.
Uh, Takewimpy never wanted to be the number one delinquent to save Hina. That was a delusion he had crushed by the reality of Kiyomisa and his gang kicking the stuffing out of him and his and making them their lackeys. That was the whole point of that dream. It was never a long-term goal the story built around like Naruto's wanting to be Hokage.
The reason why I love fairytail is that the protecting a family is more important than following rules and that the bonds of family brings out more in a fight than magic
If only there was a quirk therapy institution for those that are shunned for their quirks, or a special institute for the quirkless...thats how it would've been in thr real world if quirks were real. You don't shun people with disabilities. You care for them, show them that it doesn't diminish their qualities as a person...
I mean to go with the Xy thing, he has theoretically the strongest quirk and still feels that he needs to be more than that. I agree about him gaining a quirk but even when he got it he was more or less going through season 1-2 quirkless. I also feel like his goal is valid too, it kinda goes without saying I feel that he wants to be the number one hero so he can make people smile like all might, he wants to be the next symbol of peace yk? And I don’t agree about the case of doing what all might can, he has his powers but none of the one for all users that we know of haven’t had the same powers not potential and the quirk grows and evolves differently like deku having full cowling and not all might. I get where you’re coming from and I see what you’re trying to say but this is just my thoughts, he could be a better character but I don’t think it’s that bad
My problem with Deku is that he was initially presented as a smart person with great analyzing skills, but whenever he actually needs to use brains, he just didn't, it's always outpowered by the need to SAVE EVERYONE, to the point he's willing to sacrifice the person's safety so that he can show how heroic he is. Batman would beat Deku up for such recklessness. He's only smart when he needs to give exposition, explain how an action scene worked, but never to move the plot. Shit just happens to him and he doesn't use the world's movement to benefit. Like, if he dreamt of becoming a hero, why didn't he do anything for it? No training, no learning how to make stuff, no studying of strategies or anything (fanboying doesn't count, weebs aren't exactly geniuses), hell, he doesn't even understand how a human body works, he keeps on breaking his own limbs despite what the nurse says and his go-to battle strategy is "punch hard". Bakugo came into UA already understanding his body, having special moves, an idea of a costume that would enhance his powers, great physique - you can't tell me he had all of it just because he was lucky to have a good quirk! That's determination and Deku doesn't have it!
6:58 Glossing over Deku’s self worth issues that stemmed from the cjnstant bullying he received at the hand of Bakugo. The manga makes a deliberate point to show that his selfless altruism is flawed and would only do harm further on. For real, just look at the dark hero arc, it’s spelled out for you.
When you brought up Midoriya's quirklessness, it reminded me of this fanfic called 'Deku? I think he's some pro'. It's part of the For Want of a Nail series. In it he doesn't receive One For All and actually goes on to become a hero without a quirk. I loved it because it seemed like the anime kinda brushes off his being quirkless after he received a quirk and the fanfic goes into detail about how hard it is to be quirkless in a society that practically revolves around quirks. The same series also has an entry where Izuku says fuck it and becomes a quirkless villain called 'Mastermind'. I actually find myself reading and enjoying these stories more than the anime in fact. And now I guess I understand why. Everyone was written well enough except for poor Izuku
Where can I find those fanfics? I really want to read it now.
Dude I had an exam but despite that binged the full story thanks to this comment.
I am so surprised to find another person that saw those fanfics! To anyone wondering they are on Ao3, made by the author "Clouds". I also recommend "Virdian: The green guide"!
THIS! This is exactly what I wanted!
@@kiizetsu8382thank you!
Deku's biggest flaw isnt even his personality, is how the universe bends around him and ruins what he should have been, instead of the underdog hes first introduced as, he gets god like powers from the best of the best , in the first season, then he only gets more overpowered as the show goes.
also, the side characters have more depth than deku, so thats a problem.
If you think that the superficials side characters of MHA have more depth than Deku, you have a reading comprehension problem. Deku is not a conventional MC of a shonen nekketsu, he has a not very common personality for this type of shows. It by far better than all the tropes of side characters in this show (MHA), but I understand that the corny anime fanbase underestimates this characters and said things like this. You only generalize the character, you don't analyze anything.
@@SH-bs8pdare you biased
@@SH-bs8pdhow tf are they generalizing things
"Gets god like powers" could he use those powers tho?
@@doctordyrroth pretty much, and as the show goes on, he collects more quirks than a weeb collects bodypillows, from the let go , by just merely having one move of one for all, he outclassed like, 90% of his class
My biggest issue with deku is that despite wanting so desperately to be a hero, he did NOTHING to make that happen before the story. No training, no conditioning, no martial arts training, nothing. It makes it seem like, despite showing that he was willing to put his life on the line for it, he just didn't give a shit.
he studied. which is cool and all, but i don’t know how the fuck that was gonna help him against someone like muscular. or literally anyone
@@dharrman6799 he doesn't has to do that imo. Character like Aizawa and Hero Killer exist in MHA. I think quirkless Deku can be a hero if he really want to.
@@spiralspural8806they have quirks tho but isee your reasoning
His dream was to become number one.
@Spiral Spural there's a key difference though. Both of them were extremely capable in combat, as well as being in good condition.
Tbh Hitoshi Shinso would make a good MC for Mha, having him would really take a deep dive into the discrimination of quirks and the wrongs of society, deku proves nothing about that because he has a “heroic” quirk (stated by Hitoshi himself)
FAX
Shinso would be better as the main character of MHA. Either him, Shoto or Bakugo.
The guy went through mild teasing and called it discrimination. He's just a petty fucker that does nothing to achieve his goals. He's even worse than Deku in that regard
" discrimination"? The guy was teased by his classmates and even all of them said he had a super cool quirk, he is the definition of a bitter teen who expects everything to go their way
I LITERALLY BRING THAT UP ALL THE TIME OMG 🫡
Deku is someone I really used to like but my main problem is that he confirms to a society that would normally expell him. Horikoshi is someone who can build up a massively flawed hero world but he didn't flesh out these plot points. Even though Deku has stated that all men aren't born equal he follows regulation that don't help everyone. His desire to become the Nr 1 hero is a responsibility that Deku would still need to comprehend. Ever since Deku received a quirk that made him lose his uniqueness. Deku also doesn't seems to be open to reforming his villains. The spinoff manga vigilantes is actually what Deku's story should have been.
yeah crazy how Deku just forgot about the 20% of the population that is quirkless as soon as he got OFA lmao
@@monkfruit That is not his fault and what do you want him to do about that? The only other time he ran into someone that was quirkless was Melissa from the first movie and he said that he feels bad for her but she says that she doesn't really care.
I'm not trying to be rude but are we both reading the same manga.😅
Japan likes good bois who follow the law and don't break the status quo
@@Killa312 so he just didnt mention being quirkless ever since? and where was the other 20% in the first place? only quirkless we have seen were all might and deku which makes no sense lol and it just makes deku's character so much worse when u realise that fact
I think Deku is a great character, but his beliefs are never challenged giving him a chance to display character or growth. Then Horikoshi is inconsistent when it comes to the consequences with his actions.
Him being good is not an issue. He’s very similar to Spider-Man and Captain America
I think Deku is interesting because his heroic attributes are a result of trauma and being bullied. He has NO self worth so in his eyes the most valuable thing about him is the quirk he was given, hence why he will always destroy himself to save others.
Agree that he is similar to Captain America, though the difference is their struggle.
Steve Rogers (and I’m talking about MCU version) struggle with his environment, being in a different world than he's used to and having to move on only to discover that the people he worked with are either evil or want to do things that goes against being a hero, and he still keeps being a good person and still help people even if it means becoming a criminal.
Midoriya is like the video said, the struggle of his own powers, which is not a bad thing, but there isn’t really much to reflect on society or the hero system. The closest thing we gotten is his fight with Gentle and that’s it, and sure, he did gone rogue and became a vigilante, but that’s gotten reversed pretty quickly to the point where there is no point or reason for that to happen, just checking the mark of ‘protagonist goes on a depression arc before the third act’ on their Hero's journey.
I am not saying Midoriya isn’t a bad character, not good either, just poorly executed due to worldbuilding being thrown out the window.
@@TheYarheeguy yeah I agree with that, and that was more or less my point. They’re fundamentally the same character; Deku was just utilized poorly and his struggle (with power/quirk) is not as interesting as seeing his world views challenged and having him struggle with that, like captain america
This video was saying his character (altruism, selfless) was boring and a part of what made him a bad MC
Are you watching in reels MHA.... Lol 🤣🤣🤣 very worst character in whole series inferiority complex, no development, reckless etc
Him being good isn’t good because I don’t like it*
Deku was liked for being the "underdog," and we all love to root for the underdogs, but now he's not the underdog anymore. Hes just a "dog" to the system. Even having gained Allmight's quirk I would have loved to see him use his "privilege" to improve the lives of other quirkless and inspire them. Its almost like he is becoming Allmight, the same Allmight who was once quirkless himself and told a previously quirkless Deku he could never be a hero without a quirk. Like the message from Deku's characterization is "you cant be a hero without power and if one power isnt enough then you can just use another." They make it seem like theyre promoting togetherness and teamwork, "no hero can do it alone," then constantly showcase Deku surpassing/bodying everyone and how he can "do ot all on his own," people who have years of experience learning their quirks. We only really notice the other characters now because theyre more interesting, not because they're getting any spotlight, nothing focused on them anyways. And sure some of class 1A has had their own arcs and family drama, but Deku was at the center of each one, yes he's the main character but if we're focusing on the Todoroki family struggles we dont really need Deku, if youre there to support your friend then support your friend not "steal the show." The manga does a better job at not completely focusing on him during some of them but its not much better than the anime. I was literally cheering for Deku during the sports festival and now... I'm not even interested, we all know "this is the story of how i become the #1 hero" so the ending is set. Its not even Satisfying when he masters a new Quirk... Cause its not a matter of "how" its a matter of "when." We watch the show and read the manga for the other characters, and we only care about Deku to see how close he is to his dream
Joe Yabuki and Kaiji are far more interesting & engaging underdogs then deku imo
Because Deku was never supposed to the underdog of the series. He wasn't supposed to fight for the under privilege he was supposed to be the greatest hero the symbol of peace to gain a helping hand to everyone.
@@milliondoller06 everyon3 except quirkless people lol
(TL;DR at the bottom)He's in his first year of UA. What privilege does he have? He's not swaying crowds or anything, he's just a hero student.
Second, i don't know where people get this idea that the quirkless are discriminated against. You can assume sure but it's all headcannon. I say this because every time someone makes fun of Deku it's because he wants to be a hero. One like All Might especially. It's never stated it's like a disability that people make fun of but that Izuku with his quirklessness still wants to be a hero. We have no idea how the rest of the world views quirklessness.
Third, about the theme. Izuku wants to be a hero like All Might not just a "hero". All Might is right in saying Izuku cannot be the Symbol of Peace without a quirk because have you seen the power of a flick of One For All? All Might doesn't say "Quirkless can become heroes like me!" he says "You can become and here's my quirk to do so."
Is it a bit more bleak to say quirkless people can't be heroes like All Might? Yeah, but it's realistic. See my earlier statement of a flick of OFA. Horikoshi would either have to make it that Izuku somehow becomes the Symbol of Peace while quirkless or have him change his dream.
One is straight unrealistic and the other is way worse for your theme. Imagine Naruto is like I can't actually be a Hokage, I should be an advisor or something. Not motivating at all. I think it's better that we have something like "Use your chances to the best of your abilities" that MHA gives.
TL;DR. What privilege does he have? Second, Give me proof the quirkless are discriminated against and it's isn't jut because Izuku wants to be a hero. I'll wait. Third, Izuku cannot be the type of hero he wants to be without a quirk. Fourth, That's better than having the theme to be to change your dreams for something realistic.
@@KvngLeroy1 my dude he is a hero he fights for everyone the quirkless discrimination isn't a big part because that not how society is set up
Deku has a major savior complex and it’s pretty obvious. He needs to be the savior even when is obvious others can take care of themselves. The only explanation for such an annoying main character is that the people that wrote it don’t understand the difference between a real hero and someone with a savior complex. Also no one is 100 all good a lot of anime seem to forget that.
Yup he's obsessed with saving everyone even when acting isn't the right decision and can make things worse.
@@centipedekid9824the worst part is the manga rewarding this behavior and pushing on our throats that he is a "true hero" because of it.
It would have made so much character development if he tried to save someone and made things worse for him to realize that his savior complex is unhealthy.
kamijou touma only "good" protagonist i respect.
@@centipedekid9824perfect example of this is when he first met Eri
@@assssaaasasass THIS. I always noticed how Dekus lack of self preservation due to low self esteem, combined with a savior complex, are ALWAYS rewarded. Horikoshi treats having your limbs literally twisted and crushed into a pulp like a papercut. He never follows through with the threat that, if Deku breaks his limbs a few more times, he doesnt get to keep them.
Every time Deku destroys his body, he wins the fight. Every tine hes where hes not supposed to be--stain, kamino, Gentle Criminal--it end up being a good thing where he wins the fight and no one else gets hurt, abd they "couldnt do it without him"
Not only that, but the adults in his life never take him to task for it. Nezu, aizawa, all might, and his mom never do more than say "nuuu stahp" a MILLION times. Theres no consequences, suspension, expulsion, therapy--nothing
And then when we get the setup of Deku having a quirk thats going to destroy him, a setup that, at sone point, is going to FORCE him to change or be forever disabled...and he gets 7 other powers that fix it all, AND that he masters in like two months.
Deku has great potetial. I guess Horikoshi didnt
When he was given multiple powers instead of improving OFA ane getting over its weaknesses, Deku became a Mary Sue
To be fair the villain is cracked as hell
@@Agent-57 Yea and they could’ve gone down the route of everyone working together to finally put him down instead of Deku 1v1 him
@@aceclover758 And whose gonna handle Toga, Machia, AFO, Dabi and prison escapees ?
You situation require the story to remove all this characters from the equation entirely.
Multiple quirks were introduced to make better fights and add choreography with diverse moves and combos rather than just punching each other really hard.
Manga spoilers ahead
I would rather have a epic final battle rather than whatever the fu*k DS tried to do. The final battle was horrible as Tanjiro barely has in involvement.
Working together sounds good but looks bland as shit.
Not to mention the fu*king power spike which can be already seen with fodder like Jiro being able to push back AFO. Oh lord not that shit with Shiggy.
It's better if we get a epic 1v1 rather than a lame team battle.
@@aceclover758 Mary Sue means perfect from the start.
Deku isn't perfect from the start. All these powerups are at the end of the story.
Endgame main characters are all Mary sure if powerful means Mary sue no matter what the anime.
@@Agent-57 You can become one too
And that is what Deku became
Given many powers and stronger versions of them from their previous owners
Now can use OFA with no drawbacks?
And Deku achieved all this before the end game
It invalidated him.
I think they should have given bakugou an older sibling who has close to both deku and bakugou but died protecting deku after he was 'diagnosed' as quirkless. This could help stem deku and bakugou's motivations and explain their bad friendship fallout better. Deku and baugou both trying to be heroes because of this one incident would have been intresting and a connecting factor. Plus it would also explain the defenless izuku or useless title better.
When fanfiction writers do better with your story than the original author you might have a problem
I hate takes like these because they're so ignorant. Like, yea fanfics can surpass the original story but that's props to the guys that made it. It's not why something is bad. They over 300,000 fanfics of mha, makes sense that some of them are written by some talented people.
Second, Upload schedules for fanfics just don't exist or are not nearly as harsh as Shounen jump ones. Fanfic authors sometimes post every other month or not at all for years. If we were forced into those hours, I doubt our work would be as good as Horikoshi's.
Third, and the biggest one. It's so easy to modify and change stuff as supposed to making your own. When starting out a fanfic you already have a rich, diverse set of characters that you don't have to build up for the audience to care about. If All Might was to die at the start of a fanfic, I would be upset but if that was the stat of MHA, I wouldn't give to shits.
See why OC's are usually notoriously bad in fanfics now?
@@anonymoust6226 not really. you have a point but the fact is the source material is so bad. deku is literally a textbook mary sue going on a power trip. the premise is cool but the plot feels like something written by a middle schooler.
@@twistedmetal15I wanna see you do better. Let's see your shit make it to Shonen jump
@@mroblige1018 it would end up being a copy and paste. you realize deku was supposed to be quirkless but shonen jump said no, why would anyone want their story to make it to shonen jump if they actually cared about it.
@@twistedmetal15 So what you're saying is that you clowns can criticize but can't do any better? 🤔
Ironically, the "Anime Batman" was the original goal. Shonen Jump, the compony, basically said no. Which is how we get the "Chosen one" aspect as a second hand option.
Oddly, the lack of "human element" isn't really an issue to be honest. Some irl individuals are mentally lacking with particular drives which could very well have helped them, but doesn't cross their minds. I just find it nice to see a good one track mind character in a similar vein to Goku. Though as someone has pointed out, it could very well be the fact of idealism or childhood fantasy.
But again, all the issues that you can point to where it all started was with Shonen Jump. We could have had the Anime Batman, but didn't because they said that it wouldn't be as cool.
We could have had a decent story line where we learn about the world and see where things could have gone, have him use his mental ability to win fights instead of punch/kick to win.
But with how Shonen Jump forces the artist to basically suffer under the wight of deadlines, it's hard for Horikoshi to actually put enough effort without making things feel like there hand-me-down's. And that's where I think we will need to focus more on.
this actually makes me angry, "anime batman" has so much more potential to be an interesting and cool show.
@@twistedmetal15 Seriously. Any American comic book fan can attest how cool actual Batman is
In defense of Deku’s character: I believe his motivations does come from a human place, idealism or childhood fantasy, as children most us would see something on TV or in the real world and be like, I wanna be that when I grow, (most likely cause it looked cool)
Deku was denied and insulted for his dream for most of his life and then is suddenly given the chance to achieve it through all might. Problem is he learns that his dream job isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, he sees many of flaws within this hero society: selfish Heroes only caring about popularity and status, the failed trainees that slip through the cracks of the system, and most of all how society creates its own villains.
Through these experiences he gains a wider perspective on his dream of “being a hero to everyone.” He realizes that it’s not just the citizens and even other heroes that need saving but the villains too. Most of them people that got screwed over by society similar to him, it doesn’t excuse their actions by any means, but by learning the stories of the victims he can help make changes to society to slow of stop the creation of more monsters, that’s how he’ll surpass allmight, whose presence dissuaded monsters, Deku reforms them and stops them before they show up.
And briefly on the topic of class 1A, the series has been clear in showing that society can’t stand on the back of one pillar else the entire thing crumbles when that pillar is gone, thus the importance of other rising heroes that Deku has trained with and inspired.
Thanks for reading if bothered to.😂
Except whatever you said is either never expanded upon, more than maybe a chapter or is left too shallow.
You can argue his motivations come from childhood fantasy, but the issue is after seeing the good and the bad side of the hero society he never questions it. The most we know about his motivation is that he is inspired by that one video of allmight, we never get to know why that video is something that he holds in such a high regard other than he saved people...okay? And what made him think unconditional heroism is cool considering his ass was bullied. Hell kirishima has more well developed reason to believe in unconditional heroism than deku, bakugou's reason for loving allmight was fleshed out better than deku.
The problem is even after getting allmight's power and seeing the darker sides of hero society, his motivations are never questioned and his ideals are never once challanges
The story tries to sell the fact that hero society can't be supported by one piller, and then proceeds to have the entire freaking war arc centred around super deku and hyper shiggy. Sure there are fights going on here and there by its beyond freaking obvious that they simply don't matter in the grand scheme of things as whoever between deku and shiggy wins can and will single-handedly turn the tide of battle.
For me I think
It's all about the emotions of a child
What deku experience is just because of his childhood like
1. Mom not encouraging him to become hero
2. Friends making fun of him being quirkless
3. Bakugo bullying him in childhood
All he wanna do is to save people like the no.1 hero
But the society broke his heart like this
When he got chance to become hero he took it
And about why he didn't questioned about bad side is because whom will he tell this , to public. But how
Let's take an example: even if a politician want to ban alcohol he can't if his citizens don't want him to.
It's like this but I really love his saving people spirit and his character development.
What ever you say deku's character is trash.
The problem is, the show NEVER AGAIN dives into his possible reasons. Pretty quickly, he never again feels anything or things about his abused and lonely past. He never again thinks about other Quirkless people. Never thinks deeper about the society that put him through hell for 14 years.
Like someone said before, he went from being treated like a dog by society, to being a dog of that society
That's a badass concept
Yeah Deku is a pretty vanilla... He is even blander than boiled chicken with no seasoning
I feel like the problem with Deku is that he is the main character... Let me explain alot of main characters in anime or cartoons usually have they're flaws removed as time goes to make them more Jesussy, so anything controversial or anything that would make the fan base be disappointed him is removed.... It's why alot of MC's get so boring as time goes on they're not allowed to have flaws or go through interesting character arcs all in an attempt to make them the moral center of the story
It's why the rivals and supporting characters have the better characters arcs
that's a good point! definitely a lot of MCs who aren't given room to fail or be flawed. I think some authors are afraid of giving their MCs flaws because they're afraid of people not liking the series
@epicdude it's because people believe that he's always in the right which is so wrong. All the time Deku is in wrong like when he was being a vigilante pushing others away and trying to do everything himself. All the times that he destroys himself just to save someone. Sure it seems like he's doing a heroic thing but is it really?
Deku does have flaws. His recklessness and lack of self-preservation. These aren't just flaws that are just there either, he had these flaws becuase of his bullied past and discrimination against him, these flaws are even more apparent in the war arc. As even though his limbs are broken he's torn becuase he dosen't want to go back to the "useless deku" he was always called in the past. Same with the vigilante arc where he abandons everyone for their safety, not taking his own into account. Multiple charecters state how his mindset isn't healthy as well.
@@monkfruit You can make the same comparison to Boruto vs Deku as characters both characters are overpowered ,but Deku as a character is constantly repeating his character issues and unable to move on from them thanks to the rushed arcs In "My Hero Acdemia". While Boruto does change his attitude and perspective from what's happening between him and Kawaki. Boruto complained like a spoiled kid in the first chapter a lot in the beginning ,but now Boruto respects Naruto and loves him for being the Hokage. Boruto now has something to fight for and wants to protect. Boruto now wants to save both Kawaki and Naruto now despite the whole ninja world is against him. Deku being a vigilante now has not changed his character Deku may want to fight to understand villains but he will not change his opinion on him self. changing a characters personal perspective is "which is what character development is about" he still is just making stronger punches while fighting against his enemies what's even worse that Deku being a vigilante has not changed the hero organization's perspective of him they still consider Deku an ally which means Deku being a vigilante is a stupid cop-out to make him seem like Deku's taking a cool risk factor but in reality he's not taking any risks at all story wise.
That’s true
to be honest if they wanted to have deku saving people make him be like the animated flash in dc animated series helping people by not just saving them but helping them out on a personal level while adding variety to how he needs to save people instead of just punching the next villain in the face and calling it a day. Have deku show that he goes out his way to help the small nobody by doing simple task like painting their fences for them or something that adds more substance, or if he could try to talk the villains down from doing bad things first before trying to blow their heads off with his quirk first. All deku is now is some strong guy that punches the strong villains to save the day. One arc almost got this right the Vigilante Story Arc started to do this but it went in a stupid way.
I agree with you
How is izuku a vigilante in that garbage of a arc
@@gimp7915you right. He got his license for being a hero so hes not a vigalante. What should have happened earlier in the story is that he fails to get the license. That would make the arc make more sense to why his class would want to go save him.
@@madsoulzz2087and like, the other heroes were behind watching him and planning with him so how he would be doing a "illegal activity" if he had the heroes approval on doing so?
@@assssaaasasass yep the story kind of falls apart under any nitpick. Hes not really a vigilante in the arc at all. The best way to tell if a story will be long lasting is if it can stand the test of time, aka still be good even after you've had time to relook at a piece of work & see if it all adds together correctly and doesn't have too many plot holes. A good writer would make a world & work to insure if their are as few plot holes as possible or if their are, they are either fixed or at least retconned so the story can still make sense and not break in on itself. My hero is facing this right now. For instance the mirio reveal in the arc just before vigilante was rushed and not set up well. Sure they had some of the steps in place but it just fell flat upon rereading the scene. He shows up does nothing then leaves the story like nothing happened next chapter. You'd think the writer would take more care and maybe save that moment for another arc or at least have mirio have a important role going foward, or atleast have something in between showing the progress was already very close and now a flashback just after he returns does not count its just lazy. Of course he just adds it in to generate hype then forgets about mirio ever existed after he got his powers back.
I remember seeing a drawing of Goku passing the torch to Deku. That drawing aged like milk left outside during a hot Florida summer.
I feel like someone is going to draw holy all burnt by the torch sand snatches it back from deku and says “I don’t think you deserve it now!!”
LMAO
This comment has me crying 😭😭 straight up violated Deku but who honestly made that drawing??? Deku never once deserved the torch to be passed to him. He was a horrible mc from episode 1
@@BananasPogo He never was a horrible main character from the first episode. He has a decent start, and he had the potential to be one of the best new gen protagonists, but Horikoshi executed him wrong, which led to him becoming a failure of a protagonist.
@@darkwinter2009 You’re not completely wrong. First few episodes I didn’t hate/dislike Deku, I just thought to myself he was very predictable and one dimensional. Never thought highly of him, or thought he could become the best new Gen protagonist. But I didn’t hate him, just found him boring.
As the series went on you’re right the mangaka did a horrible job with him, and I find most of the other side characters to be way more interesting/cool. Deku has little to no growth emotionally, he doesn’t have his values questioned, he doesn’t really face or grow from his failures. It’s one emotional speech + the power of friendship and he’s completely back to normal.
If you take a look at s1 Bakugo or Todoroki, they’re completely different by season 5/6 and have grown to be better people. Deku is literally the exact same as episode 1, no growth. He’s just whiny and SO pathetic… really drags the series down. Even Ochako is a female version of him, so he doesn’t even have an interesting love interest that helps him grow.
He started off as boring while MHA started off as unique with high potential. By season 4 it tanked and has become one of the biggest jokes in modern anime. Especially now with shows like Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, and Hell’s Paradise are out… MHA will only be remembered mostly for it’s cringe fandom shipping and nothing else.
I just hate him for letting Bakugo walk all over him while worshiping him.
Fuck Bakugo. That's all I can say.
(for the record, I'm halfway through Season 5 at the moment, and I don't know if he gets better later, and I'm trying to avoid spoilers)
@@OwenOgletreewon't spoil u but he has crazy character development, catch up with the manga if you have the time :)
@@ilana6105true but like bakugo literally told him to jump off a building like i meannnn isn’t that suicide encouragement?????like dekus way to soft to forgive others like nah uh i ain’t forgiving someone who told me to jump a cliff😭🤧
@@ilana6105 What character development?? He is literally the same ahh, as from ep 1 🤦🏻
@@OwenOgletree Then finish the rest before commenting ffs.
It's been a while since I've seen the anime but man does this video hit the feelings i've had about the series. At the beginning of MHA I had the same idea that you had of Deku becoming a Batman-like character fighting with his brain instead of brawn, and they even had the roots established with the hero support course being brought up as well as a crazy pinked haired tech girl who had way more likeability and personality compared to the gravity girl Ochako(she peaked during bakugo fight).
Why don't you watch Batman then? Batman also done horrible sh*t couldn't even save his own people
Batman only works cause of his absurd plot armor, money, and the fact he’s crazy.
Batman definitely uses brawn
i would like him so much more if he took the lessons he learned from being quirkless and applied them to real life. like trying to make a difference and change the prejudice against quirkless people, yknow?
Deku was never supposed be that he supposed to the greatest hero on how extend his helping to others when no one couldn't. The prejudice angle between quirk to quirkless wasn't supposed to main thing or major thing in the series knowing the context.
@@milliondoller06 i’m not saying it was, i’m saying i’d like him better if that was his main character trait
My problem with Deku has a protag is that when consider the amount of luck he had to get OFA is crazy. Like he would be dead if All Might wasn’t thete to save him when he suicide missioned to save Bakugo. Again when he tried to save bakugo with his friends, they were all fucked if the heroes didn’t show up. And don’t try to bring the “oh but he trained hard to deserve it” that’s not what I’m talking about. Deku never would have even trained to get stronger physically if he didn’t meet all might. My problem with him is that despite wanting to be the best, he never trained physically before meeting all might and afterwards despite knowing so much about heroes and training for so long he’s still reckless with his body and with other ppl’s lives. He’s a wet sack of an anime protagonist bc his entire story was 50% luck
deku: crying but have much luck xd
mark grayson: WORST LUCK EVER
but whats wrong with luck?? yes he was extremely lucky to get ofa, but mastering it and making it his own was his own doing. from breaking his bones to where he us now was definitely not luck, but because he worked insanely hard for it. definitely not 50% luck. the reason he didnt work before he got his quirk was explained by deku himself. because he a;ways knew deep inside that he could never be a quirkless hero, and stayed in hus delusion for the pure reason of not hurting himself mentally by giving up. which is why as soon as all might told him he couldnt be a hero, he immediately gave up. bc that small percentage of hope he had died.
@@reem6087cry more
They meant a lot of it came down to luck (like the universe bends to his will) not that luck in general is bad, and yes there is something wrong with that @reem6087 .
Witnessing a growth in power isn't as compelling as watching an MC grow in character and Deku doesn't grow much in that aspect. This is what I've noticed: the more compelling MCs work on their character --> they unlock their potential --> and are rewarded with strength. Deku is the opposite. He grows in strength so unbelievably quickly (it's almost silly) to compensate for his character flaws rather than just work on those flaws in the first place which unlocks his potential. Instead, he gets what he wants with almost no repercussions and even when he loses a battle, he still gets what he wants in the end (so not even a proper loss). Abusing his body to get physically strong quickly seems all show and doesn't actually have meaningful long-term consequences. With that kind of abuse, he shouldn't be able to walk. This makes him an uninteresting and sometimes obnoxious character to a lot of people. I've never once thought of him as the underdog even though that's what the show keeps implying.@@reem6087
@@quin1455 NO A COMPELLING MC DOESN'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING. think of shinji and madoka( madoka magica) Madoka doesn't really do anything except watch the other character so she can make the right choice in the end. Shinji goes from extremely whiney to kinda relatable
9:13 Exactly, quirkless people are completely ignored. If they struggle with discrimination, why don't they fight against it? Is whole 1/5 of society!
In my experience, Deku's main problem is his likability. It wasn't as easy to like Deku as it was to like other characters like Naruto, Asta, Natsu, or even Tanjiro. Deku isn't really that charismatic compared to other shonen protagonists. Those characters personalities and backstories made them more magnetic. Deku's personality in season 1 is understandably weak and meek, it's somewhat annoying, but after that, he's kinda uninteresting as a person. Iruma-kun from Mairimashita Iruma-kun is a lot more likable despite having similar personality traits like being a pushover. however when Iruma acts weak are less out of fear but more out of kindness. Deku just doesn't feel as human as other characters from anime.
Na I dont agree with that mainly because I feel he has similar features of them all.
@@atstriker947 no he doesn't
@@dyllannudo310 yes he does
Id say tanjiro is reaching (but maybe its just me because i find him personally very lame) but i agree with this, it was so difficult for me to like midoriya and no matter what the anime does it just doesn’t do it for me
I agree with you
I’ve never thought about If Deku went the Support Hero and honestly it’s an amazing idea. He could’ve been on the same level of Saitama in the MHA verse. Like during the forest when he took on muscular it could’ve had even more weight as we see this support hero take on a villain as strong as that. He could’ve gotten control over his quirk much sooner and we could see him control how much power he has, or see him get rid of the restraints. Maybe limited people know how strong he is so everyone seeing Shigi try to take this support hero would be cool and Bakugou taking on AFO would’ve had more weight. Maybe he becomes a support hero because he felt like he didn’t deserve OFA, but eventually has to go to the front lines you know?
Lmao the leg part really get me too, like how does he take that long to realize that he has legs
It only really took him a year
And remember he saw all might as a god in his mind one for all isnt his quirk but all mights
And god forbid he does anything different from all might
While I agree that batman deku would have been fun, he got the power in like the first 2 episodes. Its a minor annoyance built on preconceptions. There were a lot of ways that the story could have been more cohesive. For example, Deku attempts to train but hes denied because of lack of quirk. Or perhaps his bullies find out and torment him into giving up.. He tells his mom/teachers and they do nothing + the bullying gets worse. It explains his weakness and reluctance to do anything about his situation while tying in the quirk discrimination in a believable way. Hell, you could have had a scene where he overhears his dad leave specifically because of him being quirkless, adding to his issues. Then after he gets his powers society treats him better. His bullying could have led to an antisocial and distrustful attitude about him, leading to misunderstanding and drama with class A mistaking him for being a more polite Bakugo. Or he maintains his original attitude either through a mask or his improving situation. You could have had him witnessing a child being quirkless and either ignoring it and leading to self-loathing (even better if it happends around the eri arc) or getting involved, leading to different kinds of issues like for example one of his classmates trying to let the kid down gently and he just blows up at them, the situation hitting too close to home. Bonus points if theres a suicide of a quirkless kid leadong to the reveal that most quirkless are actuallu old people since quirkless kids rarely reach adulthood. Even more bonis points if this increase coincides with Allmights rise and his unintentional deification of power based heroism based on a superpower arms race. That could lead to a cobtrast between Allmights time and dekus, where batmanesque heroes existed but allmight made them irrelevent or something. All for one could further complicate things by having exquirkless minions with the quirks of their bullies, willing to die for him. I could go on.
Holy shit this is WAY more interesting than what we got!! so much missed opportunity 😕
@@KCapybara21 good fics do fix that
Nah hes trash
Why do u have to make me suffer? Like why is the anime not like that?!
If mineta undergoes character development (even if he just becomes taller) that would save the show.
My main issue is I don’t see what makes him different than other heroes other than his power which was given to him out of sheer luck.
Like MHA tries to tell you he deserves it because of how he ran in to save Bakugo but seriously? Knowing the students in mha is the anime trying to tell me they wouldn’t have done the same in Deku’s situation? I don’t see what makes him different, as far as I am concerned MOST students have the same attitude as Deku and would give their life to save another.
Yes I have read the manga and personality wise I still don’t think he is different from the other students
That’s slightly true
I get what you mean but that's why we have students like Iida, Ochaco, and Shoto who don't start off by wanting to become heroes for the reason Izuku does, to truly save people and be an actual hero. All the students we see do have heroic attributes but most if not all have other motives, such as ochaco doing it for the money and shoto doing it to prove his dad wrong (neither of which are bad or immoral but neither are truly heroic.) This is also why Stain is so important as he points out the need for fame, money and popularity in most heroes. This is why Deku is different, something Stain and others point out and it's what made All Might different
@@driplord7139 Even if their motives weren't pure, they still would have run in to save Bakugo, most of them would, which is what made All Might choose Deku, however I don't believe EVERY SINGLE student in that class had unpure motives in the begining, my point being Deku is not unique despite the show trying to tell us this many times, yet it simply isn't true. If the ENTIRE hero school was watching that Slime fight and no one stepped in to help Bakugo, then yes, Deku would be uniqie out of them, but we all know that wouldn't happen.
@@pipercharms7374 Good point but I think it's also the fact he was quirkless and was the ONLY person to step in even in the presence of not only civilians and capable heroes, but also the NUMBER ONE hero. When Bakugo asks why deku was chosen and not him All Might says because bakugo already had a strong quirk, deku had the heroic spirit but didnt have a quirk. Deku doesnt realise it but his own initial quirklessness is what makes him unique and gives him the necessary perspective to be such a great hero (same with all might being quirkless). Deku can see everyone else for how amazing they and their powers are, but always sees himself as inferior, (something that would benefit his character a heap if he himself addressed it, hopefully horikoshi decides to explore it)
@@driplord7139 That still in my opinion doesn't make Deku unique, there are still other people who are quirkless in this world, did All Might go around checking if every single one of them had the mindset to be a hero? No. He chose Deku because Deku was lucky enough to have an encounter with him beforehand and Deku was there at the right time, just running out to try and save someone and being quirkless, shouldn't be the way to pick someone for the most powerful quirk ever?
For me it felt pretty unfair that Deku had only a summer of training, picked for the most powerful quirk under lucky circumstances, and surpassed all his classmates, some who had been training all their lives and some had as pure motives as Deku, some who eventually didn't at first but eventually would be JUST as worthy.
I just don't see the students in the class any less worthy than Deku. In my opinion the kid who could float through stuff, can't remember his name, was just as worthy as Deku, not saying he should have got it instead but I just did not buy how the anime was trying to tell me, only Deku was good enough and worthy for it.
In my opinion there were plenty of worthy candidates and Deku is not special, yes he was quirkless but it's not like Deku had any control over that, it even feels a little annoying that a allmight would use something at birth that Deku had no choice over, to pick him for the most powerful quick, like why should any kid who had a quick be disqualified in allmights opinion? Its not their fault, they were born with a weak or powerful quirk, and Allmight tried to frame it as "I gave something to Deku to let him step in the ring" with the other people with quirks, I'm like no, Allmight you gave Deku something that would help him become a world champion IN the ring, that eventually no one could surpass, thats VERY different!
Theres a difference in helping someone become equal in a skill with their peers and helping and giving them something that would make them surpass their peers and become the "strongest" ever.
The problem with deku is that even in his villain hunter arc he feels the same, I wanted to see him growing a backbone maybe drop some one-liners once in a while
YOU PUT IT PERFECTLY!!! "Deku is so unrealistic that he can't engage with hero society. He needed to interact more with hero society."
"He needed to care about the quirkless." That hits hard.
Man, I've been wondering whats wrong with Deku and why I don't like him for YEARS! Thank you for putting it in a way I can understand! Great video btw.
Yes exactly during the story he has always been one sided. It felt as though something was missing and you put it perfectly.
We never hear him mention anything about another quirkless person.
I'm the Stain arc he encounters Stain who mentions fake heroes in his society. But after that fight it isn't brought up any more at all. He doesn't get a chance to question the hero system itself.
Or simple giving someone the title of hero and villain. That line of thinking makes no sense in my opinion considering.
Desiring realistic mcs is where you’re wrong
Mha also got me into anime 5 years ago. But i dont understsnd why people say deku is one of the best mcs. People say he gets one of the best development, but he just got a huge, flashy power handed to him and the other ofa users had to babysit him. Also, deku's powerups arent exciting anymore. Hes basically the most op hero in the verse. He doesnt have any flaws. At least tanjiro wants to turn his sister back to normal. But deku has no real reason to be top 1 hero, like what you said.
This is why i liked the rogue hero arc because thats when deku started to realise that the world isnt perfect. He was by himself and he had so much potential for development. But then UA brought him back and hes back to square one.
THIS is the reason bnha is so disappointing to me, you have some cool shit happen, someone dies or gets captured, a city gets destroyed, and then the fricking bell rings and it's time to go back to school.
I'm sorry, just an episode ago Deku and company were risking their life during a suicidal mission to stop a ridiculously powerful villain and now you expect me to care about their homeroom activities? Lol no.
Edit: And I'm not saying you need to constantly ramp up the stakes without pause, but the backlash you get from all the jumping around between massively contrasting events undermines the whole show.
@@ignatz2THIS. Like the school part is what I realized is also a big flaw in MHA. What I don’t like is how a school that is about teaching kids how to be superheroes, somehow doesn’t have them go through more heavy training? Like, how is it that a school dedicated to making the next batch of superheroes teaches English of math. Like shouldn’t those classes be taken away and instead have different sets of classes that focus on more stuff that’s considered “heroic”. Also the lack of events that happen in a school is astonishing too. We only get the sports festival, but I feel as if though there should be more.
@@ignatz2I agree with you
@@VeronicaGarcia-yy8wntrue
the vigilante arc was so cool it literally could've been perfect if it was WAY longer and deku didn't go back to UA for a longer time and when he DOES go back to UA he should be changed since he would've gotten development if horikoshi just did more with it 😭😭
0:10 YOU TOO?!
Also, You’re amazing at downplaying how horrible Endeavor is. Like you can’t call the things he’s done, treating most of his children like failed experiments, a „shortcoming“
Except the story itself treats it like a shortcoming. A slap on the wrist is basically what he gets for all the s*** he puts his family through. Instead of his horrible actions being exposed and him being thrown in jail, he has an effing redemption arc...
@@MahiMahi-yu5joHe goes through more suffering than he would get in jail and atone for his sins and become a better man. How would the story be better if he was just put in jail?
When they relaunched the DCEU on animated movie, when Green Lantern thinks Batman is some vampire/metahuman like him he is shocked to learn that Batman is just a guy in a cape wearing a bat costume.
This has always been peak character building of Batman since the 1930s because he is the normal man fighting against God Like threats alongside God Like colleagues.
Deku was supposed to be the first quirkless hero since in MHA universe there was no such category and it would have been awesome. There are so many characters who's abilities do not give them a physical boost yet they found ways to give themselves a leg up.
Nezu is the principal and he beats the students in his exam just by toppling some buildings like dominos. Night Eye trained his body like mad to supplement his quirk. He also learned martial arts and much more wielding 5kg paperweights and stamps as weapons with just his finger strength. Aizawa is pretty much fighting as a quirkless person especially if he is up against a mutant he has to take them down without so much as a knife.
The potential was there yes that there are already pro heroes who fight in a quirkless style in function but no we got a whiny nerd who does nothing and everything wrong. I can forgive all that!
Once he gets One For All he botches it up so badly.
He wrecks his arm for what? He doesn't even train himself properly to use it without breaking his bones. He has to go to Gran Torino to learn to use only 5 % but he never really has tech or anything to support him. Basically he is trying to be an All Might clone and is wrecking his body needlessly.
He does have tech he uses but yeah I agree with your other points
I think the idea of him wanting to save people with a smile is a side of him unconsciously trying to become All Might without him knowing that. We can see it in season 4. I'm not going to spoil anything, in case of someone didn't see that. But yeah, he might not have anything just like you said, but the reason of WHY he doesn't. It's because he had a friend from 4 years old as a bully who said to Izuku to kill himself so he can born into something more useful 10 years later, with the idea of his IDOL and MANY OTHERS told him that he can't to suddenly his idol told him that he CAN be a hero was like a point where he needs to prove All Might that he can do it which had shaped Izuku's personality into what you said. Now, I do agree that there was no build up, but there we can't help it. Also Izuku is both perfect and bland character which you can put him in any kind of fanfic and it will STILL FIT. Sorry if I sound rude or anything
Yeah
Deku sees all might as a sort of a god
@@theshadowking3198 more like a father figure
@@soul8648 bro the show itself said Deku viewed allmight as a god watch the training arc with Gran Torino
@@theshadowking3198 and slowly after some seasons having to know him, he sees him as father figure. You legit saw All Might wanting to give him food, caring about him, and etc
@@soul8648 your right he does change
Omg changed Deku isn’t a static character in fact he’s the best anime character 😂
I still think the series would've been a lot better if he stayed quirkless. It would've further pushed the idea that "with enough hard work, you can be a hero too" and it can make him relatable and fights involving him would be more fun. but.. alas..
Anime Batman would need to learn martial arts. This is Japan. Schools in Japan have martial arts clubs such as Karate, Judo, Wrestling, Kendo, Archery, and so forth. Deku spent all his time taking notes, Tower of Babel, that no one cares about. Mumen Rider is over 9000 times a better man than Deku will ever be.
Even if Deku was to become Anime Batman....I think the world building as it is now in the manga will probably get in the way tho... He still have to find a way to get to a school to be a hero and a license...Even tho in the beginning Deku say they can even allow quirkless people to a hero and go to U.A. But....That's never happen tho... I still believe Deku is a better MC than most others....But I can understand your opinions why you think otherwise.
He could literally be a vigilante. The world told him he can't be a hero by conventional means so why not take it into his own hands and do it anyway like in vigilantes. You don't need a license to do hero work you do need it to get credit. Which to me is what it always seemed like Deku was about he was the glory of being like all might. He wants the public's affection that they never gave him. He wants to be a symbol a icon like all might. If he really wanted to be a hero he'd and to just help people he'd be like koichi. The original heroes were vigilantes and now because of house society works they treat them like a relic of the past when in reality they are no different then a licensed hero.
Batman isnt a crybaby
@@javierlopez9789 who said he was
I think, honestly, Deku's development is not just powerscale. Its prooving himself. Feeling that others could have been given the power, Mirio for example, but it was him, so he wants to proove himself. Beyond saving everyone, I think it is also that. But I respect your opinion. I am gratefull for you finally not being one of those that judges him for crying a lot
I think he did talk about Deku having to prove himself. The problem is he already did, hes one of the most promising young heroes of his gen if not THE most. Its that afterwards he hasnt moved since. It might seem like he did but he didnt.
I mean that would be perfectly fine imo. But he would have to actually prove himself. Both my favorite and least favorite moment in the show was Mirio vs Overhaul when Mirio lost his quirk, yet that didn't stop him. He kept fighting even after being put in the same position Izuko was at the start of the show. Which just showcases what Izuko could and should have been like.
@@kunalthakran7844 I feel Dekus story is more about understanding what he is striving for and willing to give up on the way
Being a "nice guy" doesn't mean you have no room to grow. The only things that limit that character type are the writer's closed mind and the audience's even more skeptical perception of the archetype. Nightwing (Dick Greyson) and the Flash (Wally West) are *the* nice guys incarnated in the Western superhero media, yet they're some of the most beloved. They're morally decent, funny, and dorky, yet at the same time they're put in difficult situations where they become paranoid and act out of characters, argue with each other or question themselves, only to reunite and be better heroes and friends later on. This is how you progress the 'nice guys' by subtly shifting the 'scale': you put the characters in different sorts of challenges and corruptions that they can only overcome by being true to themselves, becoming more mature, more compassionate as well as becoming better people and heroes than they were. Contrary to many people's beliefs, being a 'nice guy' in modern society is something you *earn, maintain* and *develop,* not something you have and be done with it.
Deku *does* have the definitive 'human' elements: he's an Otaku and a borderline hopeless hero worshipper. You can write countless dramas out of those qualities without sacrificing his decency: The fact that he can no longer treat superheroes like fun and cool pastime, the fact that the real world is grittier and more dangerous than what's shown on TV, the fact that his hero turns out not as great as he thought, the fact that people around him may get hurt or die because if his reckless actions, and the fact that everything he believes about being a superhero or the world is wrong, and that disappointment's what killing him from the inside. The only way Deku can become the #1 hero is to prove that he is virtuous no matter what kind of adversary he meets, not just bad guys that he fights, but also things that ideologically challenge his very core character. After all, personal virtues and ethics are the things that define a superhero, not what sort of quirk you have or how hard you can punch or kick bad guys.
All in all, it boils down to Horikoshi being a bad writer. He may be capable of creating a main character that resonates with people, but he does not understand the essence behind the superhero genre or how to develop a good protagonist. He also doesn't seem to be the guy who cares that much about superheroes despite writing about them. He would rather spend time building up bad guys or framing how bad society is without juxtaposing it with the heroic standpoints and counterarguments. The way Deku turned out in the ending after everything he's done is REALLY telling about his piss poor attitude toward the character.
According to a comment somewhere in this comment section, he wanted to but his editors and other higher ups in shonen jump said no. Along with very tight weekly deadlines.
I had an oc who was similar to your idea at 11:08. I had his backstory of him wanted to become a hero, but because he saw his mom with a hero who he tried to save but the oc's mother died, my oc became a villain
I agree. I also hated tanjiro for this very reason.
his character is one dimensional. deep hate for only the demon king, and would try to "talk" with demons even upper.
but when they attacked people infront of them they get mad. ignoring the fact they ate alot more people.
Tanjiro vs Daki, he actually was mad and asked if killing was ok for them, but that only happened after he saw people hurt.
and even then he let them reconcile. as if they didn't almost kill his best friends and a hashira with the entire village with it.
but the scene in the anime when his sister was burning gave tanjiro alot more humanity. he was choosing between his sister and killing an upper moon and saving THREE lives.
we all hear him contemplating whether to go and save them or find a way to save both, but we ALL saw the choice he already made.
whether it was intentional or unintentional, he chose his sister. being selfish for once, even if he's trying to save the others he never MOVED an inch from his sister.
meaning he already chose to save his sister than ending a man that killed thousands.
I can understand Tanjiro feeling sadness or sympathy for the demons after he's already ended them because his sister is a demon and therefore he views them as more human, but yeah, trying to talk things out with beings that have clearly eaten hundreds of people is pretty stupid. I wish the mangaka gave him more hard choices. Even the one you mentioned, which I also really liked, was just waved away by the plot 5 seconds later by upgrading Nezuko again. It's like the plot saw that he was about make a morally wrong decision and just said, "Oh, let me take care of that for you." I kinda wish that he was kicked out of the Corps after the Hashira found out about Nezuko and had to fight the demons and the demon slayers trying to kill his sister. That would've been interesting
1.What is the point of mha??
2. what are the themes the author wants to explore??
3. How will deku change the society by being no 1??
4. How will the discrimination of quirkless people be solved or atleast lessen?
I had watched up to season 4 or 5 but i can't seem to find these things in the story. If anyone knows please inform me.
I watched MHA from season 1 - 6 so here are my response to your questions:
1. "What is the point of mha??" To be another shonen battle anime.
2. "What are the themes the author wants to explore" How society is shit.
3. "How will Deku change the society by being No. 1?" He won't change anything.
4. "How will the discrimination of quirkless people be solved or atleast lessen?" No clue.
@@sonicbattleplayer5762 thanks bro. Looks like I won't be picking up mha anytime soon
My hero academia is just a slice of life anime in a world with superpowers.
@@iem-axoltleaterI have Einstein memory I don't even forget about the chapters I read in my college but my hero academia for the first time in my history I can't remember anything about season 6 which just ended like7 months ago
I remember anieks which I have like watched some decade ago but can't remember MHA that's how borring season 6 was like it's like I forced myself to watch it
1. It’s a shonen manga about a superhuman society
2. Anyone can be a hero
3. We don’t know because he’s not no 1 yet
4. There’s literally no way that he can. He’s 15, how do you expect him to fix a large scale systemic problem like that?
On god, Deku would've made for a much more interesting character if he had become a villain, I remember reading this one Fan comic and my god its pretty well written.
Are you perhaps talking about good and evil fanfic? That fanfic is really good and i love it alot more than mha tbh.
@@TheManUnderTheSun i dont remember the title 😭 but I found it on youtube and it was about if Deku was never able to become a hero. And instead worked with All for One and the others. Imho it was pretty wholesome near the final chapter and Deku actually felt like a proper mc but I couldn't find the next continuation of the story.
Not really it would be cringe message to the niggas. If he becomes he's ending would more pathetic than shigaraki's one
I agree. His development in my opinion could have had him slowly become cold and a “do what needs to be done” attitude to counter Bakugo’s development.
One person that does the whole I want to be a hero thing, right is Shirou Emiya from why he wants to be a hero is because he wants to see happiness of helping others like he saw when Kirisugu save them from the fire of Fuuki and they are on cemented that ideal by promise to being a hero of justice as his adoptive father died he saves others to see himself. He’s utterly selfless because he’s selfish because he is the only survivor of the tragedy.huge survivors guilt. And places others before himself because of it I can’t stand when others protect him, or go in harms way for him he has more motive, more reasoning to become a hero or what it means to be a hero, then Deku that doesn’t even get started on the relation of power and theme of the entire story as it fits perfectly fate stay night is literally a story of Shirou emiya
ShiGOAT Emiya is a far better character and exploration of the ideals of a hero
Except the entire fate show out side the time line repair stick and goofy moments in multiple branches, are about how what Emiya wants is a giant contradiction that leads him to a path of self destruction unless Rin is involved. The show smacks you in the head with a stick several times in the Emiya is being a dumbass, don’t do this camp.
I enjoy the Alternate Universe fanfictions more than the series. I remember a very good one that, for some reason that I won't bother explaining, because you already know it, Deku commits suicide, only he was found by some villains who took him in and dehumanized him. The fanfic focused on the fact that no one knew who the new Deku was, and while everyone was investigating about it, they realized the weaknesses that existed in the school, in a poor classification system, attention, environment, and how everyone perceived them, even some villains end up feeling sympathy for the boy, who is now more of a walking sack of meat and has so many problems in his head that he can barely carry on a conversation without exploding or breaking down. He ended up becoming a kind of analogy and I loved him. Here's the kicker: I read this when I hadn't seen the series, and when I finally saw it (and read the manga) I was extremely disappointed that what I was seeing was simply a modern Dragon Ball, excellent for new members of the anime community , but I'm already past that time.
Mind if you can tell me the name of that fanfiction, please?
I have an MHA OC, an adult woman who is quirkless and desperately wanted to be a hero when younger, like Izuku at the beginning: however, in the present day, she runs a restaurant with her husband, and is pretty damn happy with her life. To show what Izuku's future could have been without a quirk.
Deku would have been more interesting if he instead of getting quirks became some sort of science genius or something and used that to compensate lack of quirk. Like oh I got no powers fine I’ll become a hero in different way but no the universe just gives him stuff bc protagonist. Just and idea
Yeah. I went to watch Boku no Hero after watching a certain magical Index. I found both worlds very similar, on one side a city made up of heroes with hero schools etc, on the other a city made up of Esper children who also go to school etc. But I realized that Boku no Hero sends the message that if you don't have powers, you are automatically weak and useless, while in Index they show that power is not the only thing that matters. 60% of Espers in Index were not lucky enough to awaken their powers, but this does not stop them from seeking their own strength through alternative sources: knowledge, artillery and military training, martial arts, street freestyle and even ultra-resistant robots and suits provided by the city where they live. And yet the struggles are determined by a combination of power, knowledge and strategy and not just power.
Thank you for not only making good points, but also having possible fixes
the most confusing about deku is that he kinda never get consequences for his actions especially when he goes full one million percent and causes him to lose his main weapon of one for all and you could argue that shoot style is get getting to learn but until the war arc where he magically can use one million percent of his power to his arms which the doctor said he could lose his ability to used his arm ever again why kinda ruined his action has consequences other mc get to suffer the consequences of their actions like tanjiro they called him a traitor and should be killed because he had Nezuko and asta even he saved the clover kingom get accused by the attack because he had the powers of a demon and whenthey force him to reveal his power just to saves marie and still get hated by the royals even saitama could always get consequences like he destroy the meteor which caused to shatter and destroy multiple houses and nearly lost genos for being late on time
@epicdude yes exactly but now he getting knew quirks out of nowhere and can use it properly without drawback where the learning to master one for all and not breaking you're bones
@@cronus555him getting new quirks had nothing to show it could never happen
I mean the consequence is
1. Losing all might the symbol of peace
2. What the world had turned into
@@atstriker947 that probably the only consequence the mha face when hawks kill twice In cold blood he some heroes didn't acknowledge this or his student and endeavor when he abuse his family he didn't get hate by his sidekick or agency or two random people
@@atstriker947 when he already master it the quirk every minute and know what to do with them and the gauntlet from the first movie didn't show how he got it he didn't struggle when he decides to go all out while using all of his quirks without difficulty
Deku was designed to be a Batman initially but this proposal got rejected by JUMP.
Mangaka cannot create everything they want if they belong to a company.
I like many characters in MHA because how Hori San depicted them for the societal issues.
I agree with you that Deku is too flawless. Even after the “dark Deku”, his character arc isn’t as strong as others
One thing I hate the most is too see him got used to using “one more” new ability in a few minutes while other people need to practice for years.
I know he’s endeavoring but everyone else is ALSO endeavoring. What makes him special? Isn’t he the one to represent Quirkless?
Tbh, I disagree with pretty much every point this video has since a lot of it seems mostly subjective. A lot of people's problems with Deku more or less come down to what they wanted out of him as opposed to his arc as it is. That's more or less the pattern that I see with these kinds of videos.
Tbh, I'm not exactly different since Endeavor's character arc is kind of similar. I really dislike how Endeavor's arc has been handled. A lot of it more or less has to do with people wanting different things out of the story.
So what you trying to say is that you don't find anything about the story and characters need of changes...?
Well I can respect that.
@@alifhaiqal9965 While that's not necessarily what I'm saying, I do feel like there isn't much that really needs to be changed about My Hero if the themes and narrative all remain the same. Again, the only character who I've genuinely grown to dislike is Endeavor, and tbh, his arc as is probably would work for me if it was tweaked slightly.
@@You-Tube-n5k Well Endeavor did state to Natsuo who hated him specifically that he wants to atone for what he did, not forgiveness. The only real issue here with Endeavor's whole arc of redemption is that Endeavor, while he has clear backstory of him being abusive with his family, we do not know jack shit what he was like before that. So unless Horikoshi puts out time to explain the origin of his, we will be left in a dark about his entire arc regarding his own past.
@@MaksFaks-kl1zj Tbh, I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with us not knowing much about him before he was abusive. The issue for me is that he hardly goes out of his way to atone. He honestly does jack sh*t to atone overall. He does one thing that ultimately doesn’t add up to much. And the only reason he does anything involving his family later on is because he’s actively forced to.
@@You-Tube-n5k Perhaps so, which is why we need a backstory of Endeavor's character, because if it does turn out that he was abused in the past even by harsher standards, then that attitude might have carried on to him later in his life (this is of course pure conjecture, and it is not guaranteed to be that way, as sometimes, stuff happens and writer messes up the story), which would lead the audience to actually understand and empathize with what he did. Without a backstory, we do not understand completely for his wish to atone for what he did, and honestly, it would have been far more selfish of him to ask for forgiveness, at least as of now, because he hasn't atoned for what he did. And that is made perfectly within the series itself, as Shoto tells him that he will wait and see where it goes, as he at least will give a chance to see if such sudden change of Endeavor's will lead to something, but ultimately, Shoto has stated explicitly that he will not forgive him. And as of now, he obviously is right, so the whole debacle regarding Endeavor will end once Horikoshi... I dunno, give Endeavor a backstory before he became a man he is in the current plot setting.
My problem with midoriya is not his base character, but the digression of it ever since the final arc. The whole point of the dark hero/villain hunt arc was about him learning that hes more than just the host of ofa. And in the final arc its ALL he talks about. Theres barely a single line where he isnt thinking about his quirk and it makes him exactly what he wasn’t supposed to be
I remember back when I first realised Deku's failure as a protagonist, I asked myself "what went wrong?" I think this video sums it up pretty well. It's also extremely upsetting to see what he could've been. Not in the fan concepts or interpretations, but the actual beta concepts for his character; specifically Yamikumo (I think that's his name). I genuinely want to see a video talking about Yamikumo because he's so interesting. He's (from my interpretation at least) a quirkless child that learnt that being cruel is the only way to garner some dignity for himself. Looking at the real art of him, I get the vibe that he's either batshit crazy, or some manipulator that's willing to lie his way to the top. An arc of Yamikumo learning how to earn respect honestly, but also coming to grips with the fact that he's becoming exactly like the system that hurt him and then striving to change that for other quirkless people is so much more interesting than what we have now. I also think Shinso would make a good deuteragonist in a story with Yamikumo. Villain personality + villain quirk.
11:20 Gentle is a perfect narrative foil for Deku and encapsulates a lot about what you’re saying in this section. Further down the line he faces Aoyama, where it’s revealed that he was also quirkless and that builds a whole different atmosphere. Lady Nagant was a hero who went mad due to the corrupted hero system set in stone and she teaches Deku about the imbalances of society. Read up.
I really don't understand Deku I get it he's kind and wants to save everyone but he's trying to save Shigaraki who murder hundreds of people, destroyed cities and once he left the control of all for one and still wants to create chaos. DEKU STILL WANTS TO HELP HIM. Like isn't that too far what about the families who lost everything because of Shigaraki. NOT EVERYONE CAN BE SAVED.
He has a savior complex
@@centipedekid9824facts but I don’t think a savior complex is bad as long as it’s nicely explained why that person has a savior complex.
Ur not wrong but gran Torino literally said it himself that killing is another way of saving, implying that deku "saving him " is most likely him going to have to kill shigaraki expecally with AFO trying to takeover his body currently
I find it really funny that if someone kills a lot of people pointlessly Deku wants to "save them".
But if you experimented on a SINGLE child you are the most evil being in his eyes. (And at least Chisaki had a plan and a clear objective while Shigaraki for half of the series did what he did for shit and giggles)
@@kamaleonte04 like I said, saving shigaraki is most likely having to kill him bc of him being to far gone
Deku for me is too perfect. He seems to have no flaws and it makes him unrelatable. Most conflict is resolved by him at the end too, and sometimes it feels like they forced him into being the resolution to challenges faced by other characters that would be far more satisfying to see them solve on their own.
I think a great way to deal with "too perfect" savior type characters is to unironically kill them off. I think it would be incredible to matyr deku and have all these great side characters pick up the torch and deal with the darkness of their inspiring friend that both brought them together and that they relied on to fix everything is suddenly ripped from their lives. Maybe this could also strengthen the reliance certain characters have on one another and pull other ones apart
Honestly, the fact that the main character is one of the least interesting characters in MHA is disappointing to me. Like, I can get behind the Chosen One trope when it's done well, and a character that starts out as 'just a good guy' is nice and all, but when a main character is so static they fall behind even side characters- like Mineta when he stopped- it's just sad. Even the Vigilante Arc doesn't really do anything for Deku's character. Once the Arc's over he just returns to being the same as before.
13:25 if you actually read the series you find out Deku’s character pivots about mid-way through the series and it becomes exactly that. When he gets back to UA he even says: “this is the story of how I became the greatest hero - no, how we ALL became the greatest heroes. It’s pretty hard to miss you know.
When only a few can prove to be the greatest and handle big threats, that line gets lost in the way
@@jeffali5157 no, all of class 1A, the pro heroes and even society is there too. The reformed hero ranking system in the final chapter solidifies that too. It’s a major shift in the story’s theme that is without a doubt displayed in the narrative.
the ranking system didn’t get reformed, it got expanded to include others but the gist of the ranking is still there to include who’s the best when it shouldn’t be, so it’s a shift that ended up going nowhere as many of the big issues didn’t get fixed or just insanely rushed.
I think you could have given Deku One for All at the start of the series. However, Izuku himself needs to be different. At the start of the series, he has given up on being a hero. He is more jaded because of his realistic approach to life.
I do this because it'll be easier for Izuku to change his viewpoints on villains and hero society as a whole. For example, during his encounter with Stain. I would have it a pure 1v1. This forces Izuku to fight such an overwhelming force on his own. However, his intelligence comes into play during the fight. He doesn't know how Stain's quirks fully function. However, he knows that he can't let Stain lick the blood off of the blade. It shows he is paying attention, on the fly thinker, and given enough time to grow. He would be a genius on the battlefield. Eventually, Stain asks Izuku why he is desperately trying to protect a person like Iida. Izuku replies that if he left now. He would be abandoning him to the fate that Izuku had been abandoned. Whenever he got beaten by other quirk users. He was left alone to lick his wounds. He doesn't want other people to feel what he has to experience.
This tells us that Izuku is here to save people, not just stop people.
Stain recognized this to be just like All Might's ideals but different enough. However, it's something Stain can get behind, and ultimately, this spares Deku a death sentence.
Izuku learns a lot from Stain, and as the story goes forward, Izuku's perceptions continue to change. Even to the point of realizing what La Brava and Gentle are to each other. The two saved the other. This forces an inner conflict within Izuku.
Does he let the two mere pranksters go so that they could continue saving the other from their own demons, or does he take them in and condemn them. As both will be separated.
Remember, he wants to save, not stop.
He could save them, but only if he let's them go. Yet, he would have to keep this a secret, and he isn't able to tell everyone why he missed the dance concert.
This forces Izuku to grow, and we can see more of the grays of society and how they would have an impact on Izuku as a whole.
That even with One For All, it's not easy being a hero.
My biggest issue with Deku is the direction in which he is taken.
Deku is different than other children. Deku is constantly discriminated against, considered less by society, considered incapable.
Sounds familiar?
It's because this could be taken as a strong symbolism for minorities in our own society.
I see myself in Izuku, because I'm neurodivergent, I live this struggle every day.
So I was expecting an overcome. I was expecting Midoriya to rise as a hero and show this society that, with or without a quirk, he is capable.
But no, what I got was a typical "chosen one" plot with Deku miraculously receiving his powers from the number one hero. C'mon!
It's seems like this story is telling me that Deku can only be a hero if he has a quirk. Doesn't that mean that my quirkless ass can simply not be one too?
See how problematic that message is? It's like it's telling us that we can't win unless we are different the who we are, and that's really fucked up.
I don't have any issues with deku. He's my favorite character, but I understand your opinion
12:44 it also happens in the joint training arc when blackwhip emerges and Deku can’t trust OFA entirely. He verbatim says he needs to finish his fight with Monoma and Shinso quirkless. In the recent manga chapters it’s the same thing But amplified.
Vigilantes shows that you can be a hero without a quirk. Knuckleduster of Deku if he actually trained.
Deku is my favorite character in the show however some story I created did something similar where he still has OFA and never loses it at all but he also has PS4 Spider-Man intellect and technological prowess and Batman’s tools, analytical skills, and his master strategist abilities. On top of that he has a ninja sword that Stain gave them when the two just talked out their problems and a pistol designed specifically for killing Nomu.
Deku is a true hero, In a society full of fake ones. It’s the reason Al might chose him,
He’s literally our hero.
What's the difference between a true hero and a fake one?
Ew
@@generalhorsecok7331people like endeavor who originally thought being a hero was about being number 1 with certain heroes doing it only for fame or money or just a job that needed to be done that's it.
@@milliondoller06so that means that all the heroes are fake?
@goodguyd6719 not all but they made it a point that the heroes of the current generation didn't had the right mindset while going into the profession
I completely agree with you there
most of what he achieved was served by a silver platter, the most that he struggled with was that he always felt weak even after training for so long (just like tanjiro for at least half the series)
7:04 Omfg the anime community has to stop hating on Tanjiro, just because he’s a bland protagonist doesn’t make him bad cuz blandness can have meaning (for example Denji from CSM). His character arc is interesting because he has a good reason to want to save demons because they were once human. He also just wants to heal his sister which is refreshing to see in Shonen.
End of rant (but you add on to my comment by analyzing his character in a positive light)
I honestly hate how they make the whole world revolve around him. Like i get it, he is the main character, we are hearing HIS story. But why does he always have to be the one to end the fight? In most of the anime he isnt even the strongest person, he is just a student. Yet he always gets nosy and jumps in as if he is the "only" saviour of the world. There honestly a lot better quirks than one for all. One for all is supposed to be just a power quirk but it was made better thanks to the quirks of previous wielders. If consider one for all alone, other quirks like todoroki, bakugou, eraser head, creati and many more seem a lot better since they can be used more strategically. All deku can do is punch, kick or blow air.
My biggest buff with him is that he is a crybaby who simps his own bully, I mean imagine naming your hero alter ego by the slur that was used to be used to undermine you and claiming that the name now means "I can do everything" lol
Embarrassing story: I used to take a Japanese language and culture class. I asked my teacher what deku means and she said she doesn’t know because it isn’t a real word in Japanese.
I wish Deku was mad I never liked how forgiving he was
@@Jadacarebear yeah it’s a spin of dekude or something 🤷♂️
Deku itself isn’t a word
The Story of Anti-Villain Deku:
After being bullied by Kacchan, saving him, getting yelled by Pro Heroes, All Might turned his hopes down and Society criticized him, he's not going to let that corrupt him. He knows that there's another way to become a hero. After he saw and heard a quirkless, former, Pro Hero's speech about how he's a skilled fighter on the internet, Deku started to train like hell. After that, he decided to be a vigilante and did a great job at saving people and defeating villains. Some Pro Heroes are jealous that Deku, a quirkless vigilante is doing a better job than them, so they decided to brutally humiliate him to Society who actually enjoyed it. After that, AFO "saved" him. Anti-Villain Deku's new goal is to kill the ones who deserves it and change the world's ugliness.
You say that Deku should interact with Hero society more, but isn’t that what he is doing in Season 6 vigilante arc and the manga especially with the Nagant arc and him wanting to save the villains (I don’t actually read the manga but hear a lot about it)? Even early on with gentle criminal I feel like he confronts this. Or when he inquired more about what led to Muscular becoming a villain.
And it all ended so abruptly in a bath
One thing that really annoyed me was dekus willing to forgive.
I just wish he could learn that some villains dont need to have a backstory to become evil, and i wish we could have a more of a conversation about if killing villains is okay if its for the greater good, and how sometimes that is the case. And when endeavour got revealed to be an abuser or even when he first heard about it back in season one, i wish that could have been used for him to question the hero society, quirk discrimination and how not all heroes are good. Especially since he is a person who always admired heroes, and especially since he was bullied by someone who wanted to be a hero.
Edit: Another thing that annoyed me was even though he was warned he could lose his arms if he kept using ofa, he kept using it and turned out okay even if he used 100%. He doesnt really have any consequenses in the show, none of his friends or family dies or gets so hurt they cant use their quirk anymore, nor does that happend to him. And it makes the fights kinda boring in a sence that you know he wont die (hes the mc so obviously he wont die, but you get what i mean) nor will he get knocked out even in the first season when he couldnt control his quirk. Like you said in the video i wish he could have learned to fight without ofa, especially since then they could open the question of "can quirkless people become heroes" since it feels like they forgot about and answered it pretty fast considering how deku only got to be a hero bcuz he had a good quirk.
Da fuck you mean deku only wants to be number 1 hero just so he be good guy!? It literally tells you he wants to be the best hero because he wants to save people with a smile on his face like all might. When In a dire situation you need a beacon of light to come save you and that exactly what deku wants to do is he wants to help the little guy out who has no chance against all the evil in the world he doesn’t just do it for himself but for others. Deku literally embodies what it means to be a hero💯
Note:you don’t need to be a superhero to be a hero.
These people like dude in the video forgot what makes hero like super man and spider man popular.
I feel like all of your criticism was resolved in the ani/manga, but wasn't enfasized enough. Like the powerless problem or someone that he couldn't save: those topic were touched, but really briefly, they weren't explored enough. (Sorry if my spelling was horrible, english is not my first language)
wtf I guess people with these thought are never going to enjoy the anime , They are not able to relate with Izuku, When I see the first episode , I got addicted to the series because the feeling the emotion it's offering it creates a hype that various anime shows are not able to offer it is simple as that, it has no high level animation but the hype izuku creates it is obove any animation .
my main issue with deku is he never went through some super serious training to achieve his power, he was given it by the strongest person in the world, sure he did that little training arc that as a whole lasted not even a minute in the episodes, but all might stated that it was "barely enough to get a quirkless kid into U.A"
Everything you said, people said about Naruto Uzumaki 15 to 20 years ago. It was the real young ones at the time that loved Naruto and pushed the series into the stardom it has now, the same us happening to Deku and Tanjiro. Then when the next generation comes, they're going to compare the next gen protagonists to characters like Deku and Tanjiro, because kids become adults and their issues, regardless of how simple they seem to us older folk, will mean a lot to these kids.
Bingo
Endeavor short comings 😂 that's a nice way of putting it
You clearly know how to make a good video production wise but the research for this was very bad. You can tell by the fact that all of your major arguments for this video can be disproven. My advice, just continue the series! I don’t know where you left off but based on your criticisms you would really like the direction it’s going in. Peace.
My biggest gripe with Deku and My Hero as a whole is that they did NOTHING with the whole "Quirkless" thing. What originally hooked me (even though it didn't last that long) was that Deku wasn't "special." He's our main character without a Super Power in a world where 4/5 of the population is born with them. The setup for his character to be "Anime Batman" was there, and that's where i thought his character was going. After being told to unalive himself by a peer he idolized, to being told he couldn't be a hero from his favorite person in the world besides his mom, it was a setup for a more broody character. Hence, Anime Batman. And then... they just piss all over that idea by saying "fuck it, let's make him the successor to Superman." Which would be fine... except that it proves Bakugo right. Deku wouldn't have been a hero if he hadn't lucked into it. Which isn't the message i necessarily... expected? I expected Deku to prove them wrong by signing up for UA and doing it "his" way. Maybe, like you suggested, he tries to go for support, but he does so well in the exam by using his wit and knowledge that he's put into 1A instead. We could've gotten an arc where, even though his classmates are nice to him, he still has to earn their respect because "he's quirkless" and him getting into UA "could've been a fluke", with the only one having any sort of belief in him being Ochako. This could've given even more weight to the "Deku v Bakugo" fight, and that fight could've been the first signs of respect from Bakugo, who underestimated this "quirkless loser", which also would've given more meaning to his apology later on.
But no. Instead of that, instead of all these interesting ideas, lets instead make the Bully character right. Deku couldnt be a hero without a quirk. And that just infuariates me. Deku may not have been "special" because he didnt have a quirk, but that ironically MADE him special. Talk about a wasted opporunity.
And what makes this SUCK even more is the fact that the mangaka makes him Teacher Iron-man in the end!!!
Making all that nepo baby hypocrisy ultimately mean nothing. This is what I call an "Oreimo Move", they go all out with the bad idea for the entire series onky to renege on it at the last chapter...
You're wrong. Deku WAS good, up to a certain point. The most interesting thing about him is his suicidal selflessness and the fact that this is portrayed as a bad thing. At first, I kind of felt as you did about him technically being op at the start instead of going a Batman esque underdog route, but actually, him getting OFA is cool because he has to rip himself apart to use it, which is especially worrisome given his personality.
Where it started going down hill is when he panicked and went back to going 100% with his arms, and this had no real consequence, even though the scene made it feel like it was gonna. When, after Black Whip, he was mastering the new quirks too easily. How he finally snapped, went vigilante to protect the school at the price of his mental and physical health, and it seems to me like we're just gonna move on from that without anyone really talking about it.
And he kinda gave up way too easily when encountered with his classmates. I get he was tired and all but Horikoshi could've just made Deku escape and continue the vigilante arc where we get to see how his mental state has been from the previous events and maybe even see some of his trauma from bullying while seeing how terrible the hero society was changing Deku's view of things. It honestly could've been like the best shit we could've ever gotten from the series honestly.
8:39 All Mights hair strands don’t resemble rabbit ears, they’re the two fingers you hold up when you do the piece sign. Symbol of peace.
I understand that deku follows anime tropes too much, but he is the only one that does (if you don't count tanjiro from demon slayer). I know that conflicting characters are interesting and complex, but it is because deku isn't like that that I love mha. It's a story that holds the tropes and uses them to their fullest potential, making an enjoyable, even if not complex, power fantasy that I, personally, find refreshing amongst the other anime like jujutsu kaisen and aot that try to get emotion from the viewer through their philosophical and gory scenes instead of the overanimated, goosebump-generating fights like mha does.
Lol no.
A huge flaw of deku and good characterization is his self-destructive personality. As an anime only watcher, it was clearly show. Throughout the series, but they never directly addressed and resolved it. He just takes a bath and lets his friends help him. No closure or solution to his self destructive nature.
11:05
Ok I find it ironic that you mention this since this is well my character will have this tragic backstory that made him into a villain and this is going to be in my MHA comic. 😂
I could only watch until season four before i had enough with the story just pulling plot out of their ass.
Literally give jim a single negative traight that IS his fault, make him take accountability.
I love ururaka and she gets hard sidelined for the sake of love plot with her, which is also just as neglected.
Literally every single side character is more interesting than the main protagonist.
Even the guy whos quirk is a tail, hes weak, he knows it, but thats a flaw and id rather see him try and improve rather than deku.
HECK EVEN THE INVISIBLE GIRL, SHES MORE INTERESTING THAN DEKU
Fax, they should just make an episode where Kirishima and Mina or Kyoka and Denki actually interact, it shouldnt be all about Deku, that takes it too far
So clearly there's a lot of people who think like you, 2k of likes, however I think that Deku does grow a lot during the series. First of all he got the powers of All Might (basically Superman) but he can't do shit with them without training his body.
Then when he managed to control some of it it was at the expense of getting injured, and when he managed to get that under control he started facing enemies way stronger than him with a fully unleashed Shigaraki and the return of All for One.
We see him go into a dark and lonely path on S6 second half in order to avoid putting others in danger, and he had a bad habit on getting himself on harm's way in order to achieve any goal without thinking of relying on others to share his burden, however he was proven wrong by his class mates.
So yeah, I get it that for some people the support characters or other main characters might be more interesting, but I don't consider him a failure of a character either, that's my opinion.
Deku is a Gary Sue.
Deku is like Goku but without what makes goku interesting.
Goku is a completely static character, but what makes him interesting is that he's a wall. Other characters either die or change in the face of Goku.
Flat arcs in a nutshell
Question
Has deku even aged one year between episode one and current chapter?
It’s actually very complicated in middle school. Midoriya was 14 now he’s 16.
Uh, Takewimpy never wanted to be the number one delinquent to save Hina. That was a delusion he had crushed by the reality of Kiyomisa and his gang kicking the stuffing out of him and his and making them their lackeys. That was the whole point of that dream. It was never a long-term goal the story built around like Naruto's wanting to be Hokage.
I feel like some of the points you tried to make were already answered and some of them kinda made me confused. I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude😅.
Nice video, but the music was a little overpowering sometimes, especially around the 6 and 13 minute marks.
The reason why I love fairytail is that the protecting a family is more important than following rules and that the bonds of family brings out more in a fight than magic
If only there was a quirk therapy institution for those that are shunned for their quirks, or a special institute for the quirkless...thats how it would've been in thr real world if quirks were real. You don't shun people with disabilities. You care for them, show them that it doesn't diminish their qualities as a person...
Idk I like him
I mean to go with the Xy thing, he has theoretically the strongest quirk and still feels that he needs to be more than that. I agree about him gaining a quirk but even when he got it he was more or less going through season 1-2 quirkless. I also feel like his goal is valid too, it kinda goes without saying I feel that he wants to be the number one hero so he can make people smile like all might, he wants to be the next symbol of peace yk? And I don’t agree about the case of doing what all might can, he has his powers but none of the one for all users that we know of haven’t had the same powers not potential and the quirk grows and evolves differently like deku having full cowling and not all might. I get where you’re coming from and I see what you’re trying to say but this is just my thoughts, he could be a better character but I don’t think it’s that bad
My problem with Deku is that he was initially presented as a smart person with great analyzing skills, but whenever he actually needs to use brains, he just didn't, it's always outpowered by the need to SAVE EVERYONE, to the point he's willing to sacrifice the person's safety so that he can show how heroic he is. Batman would beat Deku up for such recklessness. He's only smart when he needs to give exposition, explain how an action scene worked, but never to move the plot. Shit just happens to him and he doesn't use the world's movement to benefit.
Like, if he dreamt of becoming a hero, why didn't he do anything for it? No training, no learning how to make stuff, no studying of strategies or anything (fanboying doesn't count, weebs aren't exactly geniuses), hell, he doesn't even understand how a human body works, he keeps on breaking his own limbs despite what the nurse says and his go-to battle strategy is "punch hard". Bakugo came into UA already understanding his body, having special moves, an idea of a costume that would enhance his powers, great physique - you can't tell me he had all of it just because he was lucky to have a good quirk! That's determination and Deku doesn't have it!
i think this is why the vigilante ark is so cool
bro y'all some haters bru
6:58 Glossing over Deku’s self worth issues that stemmed from the cjnstant bullying he received at the hand of Bakugo. The manga makes a deliberate point to show that his selfless altruism is flawed and would only do harm further on. For real, just look at the dark hero arc, it’s spelled out for you.