BOTH STILL DAMN MEDIOCRE AT BEST. BOTH MHA AND JJK VILLAINS MOSTLY ARE COOKIE CUTTER TYPE OF ANTAGONIST. JJK IS ALL ABOUT STEREOTYPICAL SHONEN BATTLE MANGA. BEEN THERE DONE THAT. WHILE THE PLOT AND WORLD BUILDING ARE MID. RECENT CHAPTERS KEEP BECOMING LESS AND LESS INTERESTING SINCE GOJO GONE.
MEGA SPOILER ALERT the funny thing about all of this is that in the mha manga bakugo dies, wich is a big turn in the story, but then just 20 chapters later comes back, as of right now in the last chapter of the mha manga, deku lost both of his arms, its implied that its going to be permanent
Even after all the complaints about "killing for shock value", I cant do but love how Gege really did put all of jujutsu society's weight on one man's shoulders, and in bout three hours after he is sealed half the cast is dead. Only then I think you start to understand what Gojo's figure implies and why are all of them risking their lives for a chance for him to get free
Not only the deaths, after gojo gets sealed, several other actions were taken such as the culling games start, the execution of yuji coming into motion again and yuta coming to japan again
I’ll never completely understand the “shock value” allegations. This is fucking war, and the good guys just lost by far their most important chess piece. Obviously, they are going to take heavy losses.
Geto implied Gojo could singlehandedly eliminate all non sorcerer life on earth, so if that's HIS peak, we can reasonably assume that, yeah, it'd end all life on earth easily
@@minejack7773 thats mostly by virtue of the fact nothing humans have could actually hit gojo, and his power being infinite thanks to being able to constantly reset his technique's stamina, he could basically just blow up every country if he wanted.
@@collenjets123 My point is that "if the single strongest sorcerer could do that, multiple lesser sorcerers could as well". Geto himself was on his way to getting to that level, so just by general scaling using statements made by other sorcs, it'd make sense that an all out war would end all human life
I agree with you but I also think it's a matter of translation, in French for example, the Shibuya incident is called "le drame de Shibuya" and "drame" has a much more negative connotation, a "drame" is a disaster whereas an incident feels more neutral. And from my (brief) research and what I've heard on the subject, the word for incident in Japanese "jiken" seems to often be used in relation with disasters, like murder cases, terrorist events or war events like the "Nanjing incident" for example.. Sorry for such a long message when in reality your message is right, an actual war in jjk would be absolutely terrifying if Shibuya is just an isolated case
I'd agree with you if I weren't so far into the manga. I'm not lauding being a "manga reader" over anime-only watchers, but Gege's formula effectively trained me to not care about anyone living or dying. In fact, it makes it so that I'm cheering for the villain because everything's just tipped into his favor. MHA doesn't make use of killing off their cast of characters impactful enough, and ironically, after the Shibuya Arc, so does JJK.
The not caring for the heroes and cheering for the villains is honestly true. Even a big reactor (JAMIUWU ) was saying things like "should Maybe I should start rooting for sukuna, atleast that way I won't feel hurt" after the nobara death (i think). Mha has no deaths that are impactful, we didnt know nighteye for long enough to cry over him and midnight could have been impactful but they didn't even show her corpse let alone her dying, they just showed her broken glasses and Class A students crying over her. So rn I'm pretty numb when it comes to death In both the series. Jjk kills So many people that idc anymore, whereas Mha just doesn't kill characters that I'd be sad over (Gran Torino, Hawks, Endeavor & even All might for that matter).
@@mohammadjunaid2683the payoff is when the antagonist finally lose. A few characters dying doesn’t mean Sukuna will win. They’ve been building up Yuji from the beginning for a reason
@NFLDRAFT2018 Yeah, but the problem is that (SPOILERS) Sukuna became so mind-numbingly powerful that I just can't accept him losing. Like, okay, depending on what Gege has built up, maybe I can accept certain answers. But it just won't be easy to accept.
@@kamelo2219 Killing off important characters to show that the stakes are high is a pretty legitimate way of conveying that the situation they're in is real to not just the characters within the show, but to the audience. Too many shows either pull back, or if a character does die, they're either brought back by some shonen miracle only available within that universe, or the characters were too minor to begin with. I'm not saying that killing off minor characters can't have a significant weight attached, and nor am I saying that resurrecting a character after a conflict is inherently bad, but when you see it enough times, it takes the winds out of the sails.
The end of the shibuya incident arc (atleast in the anime so far) is probably the best turning point I’ve ever seen in anime. You see all the disaster curses, sukuna himself, geto, etc fighting the jujutsu sorcerers and going full carnage mode. And what cements this arc at the end is the real world consequence of what happened. We see how gojo was judged accomplice to the incident, we see the chaos that will remain for long in the whole of Japan. But most of all we see our protagonist, Itadori Yuuji get sentenced to death and his executioner is none other then the protagonist of the jjk movie, another really strong sorcerer that we have grown to love.
Yeah, especially when the anime takes time to showcase the environmental change during and after Shibuya. We see and feel the utter devastation that came in the wake of Sukuna, Jogo, and Mahoraga as the primary culprits for all the destruction. Not only in how messed up the streets and buildings look, but also by just how dead everything is. There’s little working street lights with fires littered around the place, the occasional blood splatters among the wrecked cars and buildings with even a portion of Shibuya being reduced to a giant wasteland of a crater that can be seen from space. That all made me feel the utter bleakness and depression of the situation more than everything MHA’s war arc tried to sell because the ATMOSPHERE made it all the more darker as opposed to MHA lighter and more colorful atmosphere which just makes things look like generic destruction. Then there’s just how quite things become afterwards as you see the parts of Japan that AREN’T destroyed yet they’re equally as quiet and empty as Shibuya, showing how the terror of Shibuya has caused everyone to hide as things got worse with that scene of the two women getting eaten by a curse in a sort of jump scare moment showing that even then when they hide in buildings, they’re not safe anymore.
@@wizardwolf1020The way you say it makes me think that MHA tried to mix the light vibe with dark vibe but failed and went full family friendly. JJK however, succeeded. We saw some gags in earlier arcs but at some point there are serious moments. It's well placed.
@@charles_teak MHA started off with some very nice ideas. It had a dystopian world and All Might, the hero society, even UA, were not meant to be looked up towards. It had this light tone vibe but it did not shy away from showing how these kids were essentially in-training child soldiers who would grow up to be sent into an industry that favored media attention and marketability. And then Hori (or Editor-san) decided to hard shift the series into full pandering mode and turn everything into a fan wank.
Another key factor when analyzing Shibuya is taking into consideration how many of the villains were killed off compared to the heroes. Overall, I view the Shibuya arc as a win for the villains, but only slightly. When you consider that the bad guys lost Mahito, Jogo, Hanami, Dagon, Haruta, Choso (switched sides) and, to an extent, Toji, it really makes the deaths of Nanami, Nobara, Naobito, Todo (in terms of his CT), and the capture of Gojo feel earned. This was a true war arc in which sacrifices had to be made for the heroes to prevail, and they still couldn’t take out Kenjaku, Urarame, and Sukuna.
I'm really surprised MHA never had one of Class A die, especially in this arc. Like the cast is so massive it can afford to lose one or at the very least have one suffer a major scar/long-lasting injury. The story wants to do a 'now things have gotten more dire than ever' moment but never commits to hit by applying it to our protagonists.
yeah. even just some random. just enough to show this isn't some joke. hell. why not have one or die during the USJ or even camp. to show, this is no simple hero show. hell. they kept saying izuku would lose the use of his arms if he kept breaking it. why not have him lose one of his arms during the war arc.
Because the publisher is a greedy coward. Think about how much money just one of those characters is worth in merchandising. Bakugou dying in a way that leaves his arc unresolved would be an emotional gutpunch if done right.
@@bobaorc7839 I guess, but other series have gotten away with selling merch for characters that have had stuff happen to them so I don't think it's an excuse e.g. Re:Zero and Rem being probably the most merchandised character despite what ended up happening to her.
JJK actually had teeth. Yes, both war arcs end with serious social ramifications as the general population deals with the aftermath of the villains "winning", but in MHA, the heroes can rally together because almost nobody died; in JJK, it's a struggle to get back up and find a shoulder to lean on, because so many great sorcerers either die, are sealed, permanently injured, unjustly prosecuted, or bounced altogether.
In MHA Midnight and some other no name heroes die, Eraser Head loses a leg, many heroes are notably injured, several quit, etc. In JJK it’s notably worse in its aftermath but both were still really bad Though What happened in Shi
@@MrMagnetron2I’m still mad that the reaction to midnight dying only had a panel and torino somehow lives being gutted like a fish despite being a fossil
@@MrMagnetron2 Believe me, I was super sad when Midnight died, but call me edgy, but I think this super bloody war did not go far enough. Yes, heroes got maimed, but they return to the fight right afterwards; and most of the heroes that died were no names that we didn't really bond with aside from Midnight. Meanwhile, Gran Torino got pierced through by Shiggy and survived even though it would have been perfection to see him pass away and give the cape to Midoriya, starting his descent into the Dark Hero Deku. But nope, he's a-OK. And don't get me started on Bakugo and his death scares. JJK had death scares too, yes, but at least Gege was not afraid to gamble on losing beloved characters like Nobara and Nanami to make sure that the war felt threatening.
Just after the strongest is sealed, which really heightens Gojo's presence in jujutsu and how even his presence missing in this whole event managed to lead to so many casualties, and how many people devoted themselves to releasing the strongest, being the trump card of the sorcerers, which in the current manga chapters sadly makes Gojo's whole being more than a weapon or another entity than a human like the others, viewing his role as the strongest as something inhuman, incomprehensible, substantial and even "monstrous"... Just for Bakugo to casually come back even after getting pierced... *Sigh*
Something that I found interesting about JJk is how they treat the character Jogo. I had a realization during the arc that we had really only seen him fight Gojo and with the difference in power he ended up being a bit of a joke. We did not take him as seriously. So when he appeared to the other sorcerers and just obliterated them, it was a reminder of how powerful and dangerous he actually was. It was also another reminder of how much the sorcerers need Gojo. That arc was so good and after reading the manga I was so so excited about seeing it all in action and finally animated. I do not have those same feelings about MHA
Same as in manga right now Sukuna didn’t come out that much but ppl think he can easy take down by a few cast, like WHAT? the king of curse live for 1000yr only to take down so easy by a few cast in a few chapter??😂
Even that showed nothing to me tbh because they were all already beaten up by another special grade curse and were caught off guard. Now I'm not saying they'd have stood a chance regardless but that particular scene doesn't really sell his strength to me either
I didn't realize the mha arc did bad for me it was awesome until after the battle it slows down way to much and the big fight between deku and shigaraki was way to brief
Except for Midnight death no important character has suffered any type of permanent injury. Every student who doesn't even have half a year of experience survived Gigantomachia. No one in MHA suffered any direct impact of this huge war.
@@ayush9202 Hawks had his wings burned by Dabi and got a scar, Gran Torino was donuted and put into the hospital, Bakugo was skewered and we see scars from that in the bath scene, Mirko lost a leg, and Aizawa lost a leg and an eye.
@@ayush9202 besides midnight's death and eraser head and mirio losing body parts and the deaths of villains who were victims of society. And hawks suffered greatly physically and internally. Losing his wings. There was definitely impact from the war. I do wish there was a few more deaths in it. But the character growth in the characters makes it up for me. I'll take that over the random pointless deaths that get much worse in jjk.
@@jasonjones3328 i said any permanent and significant effects of war. Hawks wings grew back to full, and Mirko and Bakugo ware back to full health after less than 1 month. Aizawa never lost eyes he was using it against shigarakai in current arc. And Gran tarino should have been dead. He was more seriously injured Midnight but for some reason author killed Midnight but not Gran Tarino
Something about Shibuya is every major moment can be built up by a question. What is Toji going to do with his return? He shows in Dagon’s domain. Where is the Kyoto High cast? Todo shows up to help fight Mahito. The big moments come as a result of payoff of the questions readers may ask
@@grayve2122With the implication that he has no more purpose to stay alive because his pleas with Gojo did go through years ago. It was a brief ass-whooping, but it was a good brief ass-whooping.
Sadly i see hot takes online where people said its overhyped and they dropped it early cause they didnt answer questions fast enough aka they couldnt wait one episode to get their questions answered like you said and got angry. Also they think fighting doesnt tell a story when it does. Its too subtle even when its not.
One of the things I love about Hunter x Hunter, is how real the stakes are. Thing is, the stakes are not society breaking, world ending ones (save for one in particular, but that one comes in the later part of HxH). The stakes are proving one self, facing your demons, being able to grow as a character, and the fun part is, characters actually fail constantly, making it feel so damn powerful when they do fail, and so damn satisfying when they prevail. I really liked MHA, but if you are going to have a "war" and can't kill anyone, then just, don't have one. people die in wars, those are the stakes. If you cant come through that, or can't shift the focus to how war affects people and have the stakes be how characters are affected by what they are forced to do (like what they did with Endevor), then why have one in the first place. I understand that MHA is not a dark show, but if it's not, why go to dark places if you can't actually go through. You don't need to kill the cast, but if there are no real stakes in anything they do, whats the point.
One great part of HxH is when Gon and Killua try to get put on the Chimera Ant mission in NGL. Knuckle and Shoot say its too dangerous for them, but will allow it if they can beat them. You expect the duo to figure something out or use teamwork to win in a typical shonen way, but they actually lose. And both of them really beat themselves up about it afterwards. There's a lot of stake in it since Gon is still worried for Kite, and doesn't even know he's dead yet. I love that HxH isnt obsessed with making their protagonist the strongest in the verse, they are just a piece in a bigger world.
For me it’s the fact midnight died but it’s like no one in the mha universe cared, no flashbacks to relieve the time she was alive from her coworkers or maybe her family or even a funeral, nada.
I found this interesting, many people in the war arc do DIE, and are SHOWN. There are a lot of impactful moments in the manga that when released people were scared. However, I think the problem is that the anime adaptation is at fault. The composition was cheerful, the art direction was awful. The animation was EXTREMELY LACKLUSTER. It got hit with the backfire of COVID on the industry. Jujutsu Kaisen's adaptation was the opposite, while yes killing off main characters can be impactful, it can also just be a little TOO MUCH, when every single character turns out to just be a plot device so that itadori can become a little more angry, It starts to dullen the impact of a main side character depth. However, the staff of JJK were EXTREMELY PASSIONATE about the series, in the anime they added SO MANY NEW SCENES that showed the destruction of the city, the danger of curses ect. ect. Honestly i think that both jjk are on opposite sides of the spectrum, neither one better than the other. TLDR: the staff at bones fumbled where the INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE at jjk didn't (FUCK MAPPA)
I disagree with your point on the jjk part considering that he was only mad about junpeis and nanamis death which were both pretty far apart in terms of time. And then there was kugusakis death and the deaths of many of shibuya just broke him. If you think the side characters’ only purpose is the make Yuji more powerful, then you just don’t understand the characters
@@subzero8520 I think you are right, I did not mean that the ONLY point of side characters were to make him more "Powerful". I just think there is less impact in deaths when it happens so often. For example, he mentions fakeout deaths, when kugusaki gets her face blown off and they straight up say next episode "SHE MIGHT LIVE"? Is that not kinda a fakeout death, not like i have any problem with it. I just want to point out the fact that it shouldnt BE a problem. "manga spoilers" Choso just got stabbed through his chest by both hands. JJK fans did not really react in a shocked way. This death isnt going to have a huge impact. And if he doesnt die, well, we can easily compare it to the "huge sin" of bakugo getting impaled being a fakeout death. My point is both series is good, trying to find a complex reason why mha war arc wasnt very impactful is useless. The fact is, bones did not care nor try as hard as the jjk staff team did. They fumbled.
@@lazreyeswdym didnt react. people are sobbing rn. i think youre missing the point. in a war you expect people to die, after the shock, we expect it. it still fuckinf hurts. but thats life. lets be realistic. yuji should be dead and i hope he dies. SORRY! he shoukd be with nobara and megumi, if they dont come back.
@@jojobod Yeah, sure, man. Like the fakeout when choso pierced itadori's liver and chopped his shoulder down. My point is fakeout deaths are fine, they aren't something to get upset about. The thing we should really never compare is how good each series "is" because how good something is, is relative.
@@lazreyes The problem with fakeout deaths with MHA is that it overuses it. To the point where people are starting to just get pissed off. And, I don't think you realize that Itadori did almost die. A better example of a fakeout would be earlier in the series when Itadori did actually die, but Sukuna kept him alive. This wasn't that bad, since JJK doesn't overuse it. But, for MHA... It is a different story. The amount of fakeouts for Bakugo's death have been absolutely insane, and leaves me dissapointed.
I'd argue that the War arc and the Shibuya are, are two fundamentally different points in their respective stories. The former marks the finale and the latter a major lasting change in the status quo.
@@Chris-rj4bt in either case it'd probably be more accurate to compare the current ongoing arc in JK to the War arc. Which wouldn't be fair as the former is not finished.
@@Chris-rj4bt I was looking for someone saying exactly this in the comments. I really think Shibuya should be compared to the Kamino incident rather than the War Arc, and Horikoshi handled All Might's situation way better than Gege handled Gojo's
@@maxche1285 Yeah that arc is far better than Shibyua imo with way better emotional peaks. The lasting impact of the arc on the world is far better than what is done with JJK on the manga imo
@@vincegalila7211 Even then I think Mha is trying to do more with its characters and world than what JJK is doing currently. But the current JJK arc has been way more fun than the Mha war arc
MHA and JJK are so different though. Shibuya arc is more like the Kamino for JJK. It sets the ground from the upcoming act, while the War Arc is more of a central Act introduction. Not going to spoil, but this becomes very evident when you read ahead in both series. The Shibuya arc sets ground work for Yuuji to grow while ridding of so many characters to ease the writing, almost like an Origin story. MHA focuses more on the message and how to define each individual conflict for a final showdown. The series are so different to compare and I enjoy them both differently.
So true ❤ I really like both in their own ways so I was surprised to learn that people are making comparison (sometimes to trash one series or the other). But if we have to, I do like the comparison to Kamino, it's kinda more fitting.
Yeah comparing JJK to MHA is a crazy comparison, they’re really different shows, and you can’t really compare Shibuya’s gruesome arc to the war arc since the character deaths are not gonna be as gruesome Still Spolier alert Katsuki’s death was horrible, his heart got blown out and he got his arm absolutely destroyed
They're both Shonen but that's where the similarities end as both shows have completely different central themes and philosophies as shown through both arcs as MHA is about the breaking point of hero society and all the filth that was being hidden by that society as said by Shigaraki as it questions the ideals and morality of heroes with it's aftermath.
That's also what JJK is about. It's about the breakdown of artificial societal standards. Cursed energy literally rots society as it leaks out of humans, and the strongest sorcerers all collectively either hate or aren't accepted by Jujutsu Society. Jujutsu High has collapsed, all the Big Three are falling apart, etc. And this is all shown with Gojo. He was the pillarv of society, and we're seeing the results of him being removed. Rather, he was a damn holding back a flood, and the pressure has built up too much.
@@muntu1221 then this is worst than i thought ,you're calling jjk pale enhanced copy of mha For adhd people (since mha is older and the buildup is fast) please don't compare the two you might get hurt
@@LovElieLovElie Yeah, no. Stories being similar doesn't mean the older one is better. Also, "copy" implies they have the same story when I'm talking about themes. Don't try to go blow for blow about writing with me, or _you_ might get hurt.
@@muntu1221i dont think jjk is about how societal issues i mean it has bit of that but idk thats the main thing. I mean cured spirts cant even interact with most of the population and most of the population dont know about cursed spirts to decisions amoung them is non existence. The story is about cursed spirts and jujutsu sorcerers. And they exist outside society really they kind of do there own thing.
@@DromusTH well u clearly don't care, and that's fine, but your missing some very key themes in MHA then. That's a very black and white view point, when the world is more gray than simply good and bad. Something important to consider in this show. If you didn't understand that after watching 6 seasons of the show. 1. Pay more attention to the story 2. Improve on your literary understanding on themes. If you just want a fist fight and shouting with heat moments thats understandable too and im glad you found your piece of media. To each their own. tl;dr : just read what i wrote, it'll prove my point if u read this first.
He mentions in the video that Twice's death is the most impactful death of the war arc because we got to know him well in My Villain Academia. It's the heroes' deaths he has a problem with because we barely get to know Crust and Midnignt.
@@yohobin ???, they can do a war arc, it’s just going to have a difference in implications. Gege likes to kill off many characters before they culminate in any sort of arc, leaving just potential. I didn’t feel anything when Nobara died, or mechamaru, or mostly anyone except for Nanami, because he actually had something we saw in the prior season that made his death impactful.
@@yohobin I don’t think you get what I’m saying. You can clearly still have conflicts within a story. While MHA is about hope it also shows the flaws of the hero society the ones that fall through the cracks that end up being a villain. The only thing that both war arcs have in common is that it happens after the strongest in their world leave the playin field.
I mean they can both do a war Arc, but their main goal would just be different. JJK would go the route of “the world is a cruel place, nothing you love with stay, that’s that and this is this.” While mha is going with “despite war is cruel and we lost many people, there is still hope in different places”
Though I understand the complaint of feeling a lack of stakes due to lack of death. Story wise the stakes are there. In every other arc the hero’s never lost and faith in the hero’s was there. However this also held up the complicated and flawed hero system. However this arc though the hero’s got the jump on the villains there plan completely failed and they lost. Endeavor was exposed the hero system crumbled as some gave up and the people lost faith. The city was completely chaotic. Story wise we’ve never seen the lack of faith in the hero’s like this. The villains completely exposed the flawed system. Plus this wasn’t technically the “war arc” but a failed mission. The war arc is what’s happening in the manga and this failed mission set up the stakes for how dangerous the villains truly are. Also the fact of the matter is mha is just a more light hearted show. Story wise the arc works however I can understand not feeling it as much cuz the show is more light hearted.
I do kinda agree, but also some of the liberation war arc felt kinda meaningless. There were lots of great moments like hawks and twice, but theres also moments that just cheapen the entire arc (like when bakugo "dies" but the next episode we find out he didnt) and shigaraki was suddenly 10000000 times more powerful
@@BenBeClownin Idk why everyone assumes Bakugo taking the hit for Deku as him dying. I never thought that for a second. Did y'all think Endeavor getting stabbed also killed him? It does come down to interpretation, but it also gets disproven very quickly, so what's the reason to be upset by that? And what's this about Shigaraki "suddenly" getting 10000000 times more powerful? He was clearly shown to be getting upgraded while in the pod. The Doctor outlines VERY CLEARLY he will be much stronger after that operation at the end of MVA too. There's nothing sudden about it.
I mean, the war in Season 6 is literally called the "Paranormal Liberation WAR Arc". So like, pretty sure they both count as War Arcs. Otherwise I think you make a good point, especially with MHA being more light-hearted. I'd argue it should've gotten a bit darker after Season 5 but that didn't really happen.
Personally, I think both the War Arc and the Shibuya Incident Arc accomplished what they were intended to do. In MHA, the War Arc was the breaking point in society, and it effectively set in motion and laid the building blocks for the Second War Arc which is my favorite arc by far. It's wrapping up every loose end and bringing some awesome fights and turns. I think Shibuya was also amazing, but it went about it a different way. Curses aren't known to the entire world like Quirks are so you can't really compare the 2's climaxes like this. While I agree that Shibuya did do somethings better, I think that the War Arc did one thing better that was pretty important, and it was not killing significant characters off for what felt like no reason. I remember when Nobara died, I though, "That was pretty unnecessary." I've always had a problem with JJK killing characters constantly, most recently with Gojo, Kashimo, Choso, and Higurama. Both were incredible arcs and laid down many questions for how the story would progress and what will the protagonists do with the villains in a beneficial position though and I love both series a lot.
@@Noritoshichoso ?? The official Shonen translation says "Wanna race, you brat?", followed by Choso saying, "He disappeared!" then being impaled. The text doesn't tell you anything, it's left to the reader's assumption
I want to add here because im also an animator in training so i like to analyze stories and see what i can apply to my future work as wel. I think the problem MHA war Arc that i do agree is how certain characters purpose in the story is not truely define like how JJK treats their characters. In Shibuya, When characters start getting killed one by one its not just for shock value or just "Throwing away some characters to be safe emotionally on the audience", Gege picks the characters with character arcs that are halted like Nanami or Characters with no true future goal but still is a deeply meaningful person to the main character and the Audience like Nobara. It spares no one but at the same time gives characters their end and give meaning to their ends, showing that there is consequences to the actions of these characters. In MHA war arc everyone that dies wasn't properly build up, and the ones would would make sense to leave the story doesn't. Even if u dont want to kill them it would make sense to put some of these heroes out of commission so that when the Vigilante arc happens, it does feel like the heroes give up. All in All, both are pretty good but i do feel like Shibuya has been well written compared to MHA war arc. Thank u for reading if u do manage to get to this point :3
@@mangamandrew Hahahaa i think i detect ure sarcasm but it does actually remind me, I actually realised they made a point to say that a lot of the heroes quit during the arc. I actually didn’t realise that fact because it was more towards the side characters that are actual heroes. Most of the teacher stayed, all students we know are still actively trying to be heroes and the pro heroes like Hawks, Endeavor and best jeanist are still fighting crime. However there we’re actually a lot of heroes who died or quit, I personally just dont feel the impact of them quitting
@@ahmadfarishbinfaisalhamdi1548 Well to be fair, we did have one well known hero that quit, Death Arms. And that felt impactful to me because while he was a minor character, we saw that he actually cared about helping people and being a hero and him leavening showed the strain society was on. And while we have all the characters we know still fighting, we see that they still had trouble dealing with the villains. The fact that the heroes were unable to round up all the escaped vilians was proof for why we need so many heroes in the first place.
Im gonna be 100% I feel people who have read and or watched MHA and got to the "war" arc really understand what it was meant to do. I dont even consider it a war arc it feels more like a raid like how it was with overhaul. I do think it couldve been more darker with more heros losing their life, however it did perfectly because it showed just how much the hero society was crumbling... With some heroes beinf exposed tfor who they truly are like Endeavor (who got exposed to the whole world), then we have heroes who lost their lives (crust, midnight, and probably others but most probablt were offsceeen), then we get to see effects of the raid like how literally 90% of Heroes of Japan retired/quit because they couldnt handle the villians no more (because their not powerful enough to do so, and becuase they dont want to), or how many heroes were injured beyond repair with, Deku basically in a coma, bakugou bleeding out, endeavor was badly hurt, and gran torino all in the hosptial, and mirko now losing her arm and leg, then we have the decline in trust of the heroes by the public (as development of it was shown in season 7 or vigilante dekus story arc). The pure difference between both of these Arcs is that Jjk technically had the Heroes still win, though with a cost of many lives, and then MHA basically has the villians win with a lot more costs like the almost all hero giving up, some heroes losing their lives, the repuation of the hero society declining, Im sorry as much as i enjoyed the shibuya arc the MHA war/shigaraki war arc was better and it by no means failed.
@@tastylynx Yeah, idk what version of JJK this person saw. But like- Gojo stayed sealed. Nanami who was a top 5 sorcerer was killed. Thousands of curses were released. Thousands of curse users were created. And Kenjaku/Geto, the mastermind of the whole thing, escaped unharmed and with Mahito's power absorbed into his. Not to mention millions lost their lives and both the mayor and prime minister of Japan are missing. Plus the Japanese economy is crashing. On all accounts the heroes lost in JJK. They were beaten outright and Geto is now basically opposition free if you don't count Sukuna and possibly Yuta. I don't think I've ever seen heroes lose so badly. Their only victory was getting rid of Jogo before Geto absorbed him too. And even that was a side objective for Geto. Also, Sukuna, who's a villain with his own agenda killed Jogo. So it technically wasn't even the heroes who did it.
Kishinoto and oda are also friends but they also never learn from each other to make their works better. They do this for fun, not to please a bunch of virgin aholes. To quote stan lee: "If you want to tell a story tell it to please yourself. Not to please others"
@@motor4X4kombat Calm down bro. No one's getting offended here but you. As consumers were allowed to criticize their product. That doesn't make us "Virgin aholes"
@@motor4X4kombat Kisimoto and Oda Did Learn and Help Each Other. Kisimoto Helped Oda With Doffy When Oda Was sick. Oda even asked Kisimoto if he could borrow some things for Choji and use it for Luffy. More Specifically Pre Timeskip Luffy Like at Enies Lobby and MarineFord. And Armament Haki was inspired by Frog Kata Another Naruto Ability.
I think Horikoshi was not prepared for how loved (And demanded) MHA would get when the manga was published and perhaps as well due to the nature of the manga industry, that if a story kicks off well that means it will most likely be forced to last as long as possible for the money to keep raining in, besides that Horikoshi simply had good concepts and ideas but lacks the corage to, as you said, take risks, have consequences, we're still stuck at Deku's monologue introduction and it is ironic that the very firsts episodes foretold the story's main and greatest flaw with Allmight's hair method, the story still sells but that's that. Meanwhile Gege has had a clear idea and image of his story since practically the beginning, He doesn't care what the fans of the story think about him, (The good, the bad and the horrendous) he doesn't care he has basically traumatized an entire audience Berserk style, he is here to tell the tragedy of a broken system that perpetuates a neverending cycle of death, destruction and despair, it's victims and the flawed, self-destructive mentality of selflessness at the cost of the individual and how those most selfish actually succeed in life, he sticks to his guns and to top it all of he does it in a way that WORKS, the story is edgy done right, you love the villians, you love the heroes, you love to hate certain characters and the story pulls the rug under your feet not in a half-assed way but one that impacts the story, impacts THE AUDIENCE, he himself has stated to (understandably) HATE Gojo, the most popular character of the story and he doesn't pull a 'Kill Neji bc I don't like him and I want him out, story be damned' like in Naruto, no, he bids his time, he develops the character, takes him out of the way when necessary, pulls him back AND THEN he kills him off, is he too brutal? I think so sometimes but what I respect the most in a story is the commitment to the bit, wether be comedy, drama or tragedy, Gege is the one calling the shots here and no amount of tears and death threats are going to stop him from breaking us apart mentally and emotionally and my masochistic ass is gonna enjoy (And cry) every second of it.
What flaw are you referring to by “the very first episodes foretold the story’s [MHA’s] main and greatest flaw”? (Not a rhetorical question, I’m genuinely confused)
I disagree about Gege having everything planned out since the beginning. Culling Games was clearly rushed in certain parts, especially towards the end, and don't even get me started on the current arc. It started out great and then just turned into a huge mess. Reading it while reliving Shibuya through the anime was like seeing two different series, writing quality wise.
Funnily enough, one of JJK's themes is self-actualization and being true to yourself (possibly even selfish). Gege follows that theme to a tee with his writing.
You're mostly right, until you read the manga of jjk and realise that Gege just loves Sukuna way too much, he's basically the main character with how much the plot bends to his will.
Jesus gojo fanboys are so salty, gojo had to lose for the plot, it's not the story bending to sukunas will it's just basic story telling, if gojo beat sukuna jjk ends nothing else, gojo can kill kenjacku with ease and no character arcs get solved, and yuji does nothing kashimo yuta and every other character does nothing. It would be bad writing to let gojo win he had to lose for the plot to continue.
@@thefarmer6541 Actual insanity ehat you just wrote, if Gojo has to lose because of the plot then that just means that it is bad writing. Gojo not immediately killing Uraume, Kenjaku and Sukuna when he escaped from the prison realm is bad writing. You can't say that Gojo has to lose because of the plot and then proceed to say that it would be bad writing to let him win, you're advocating for lazy writing and stupid decisions.
honestly I feel like a lot of the problems in the MHA arc could be fixed with a single mention of a time skip at the very least, a lot of things would make way more sense like how it could be construded how deku is able to use 100% after like 2 more years of training as a 3rd year in highschool and how he's able to use all his new quirks at a high level of proficiency. Also it would just make more sense how the other students are able to even contribute a little bit into the bigger battles with afo and shiggy instead of some random 1st years being able to hold their own against the strongest villian in existence. I'm so mad that horikoshi kept it like this when a time skip would've made so much sense. Of course that doesn't address a lot of other problems and a time skip has its own problems too, but it still would've been so much better than what trainwreck we have now. Not only in the war arc but for deku's whole dark hero arc would make more sense in terms of the time of events, cuz how do all these things happen in the matter of one school year????
before the war, in the manga I think (if I remember right) they mention that they are already in second year of school. It's not much but is something.
To say nothing changes when the entire country has a shift in perspective and trust in heroes after they lose is crazy. Not only were there people having to fight alone against villains but there was lawless sections that allowed for people to get away with things. The arc isn’t about the class and focusing on that as the main point when MHA hasn’t necessarily always been fully focused on 1-A as a whole seems like a misunderstanding on what the point really was. Another example of this is when this guy mentions the festival arc. While Jiro was important to the show, the main characters were Gentle, La Brava, and Deku. It’s an arc about different forms of heroism.
Thank you, I couldn't have said better. It feels like the author of the video either missed the point of the arc, the stakes at play or he is simply being disingenuous. A pretty pointless comparison in the end.
@@angstyteen6042 the simple fact you're not even talking about the arc being talked about here, is enough to say you're disingenuous. I'm not gonna explain to you something so basic to understand.
I can’t agree about the war arc being forgettable. There are moments I will never forget same with the Shibuya arc. For example: Shigaraki decaying an entire city, Kirishima being clutch as usual, Kaminari saving a squad of heroes with his quirk, Aizawa cutting of his leg, Endeavor showing how much of a beast he is fighting solo against Shigaraki without getting touched once physically and etc- deaths? Not so much. Tbh if I didn’t have manga spoilers I wouldn’t have realized Midnight died.
Yea I agree with u except midnights death did make me sad not for the right reasons. not cause I liked her so much but cause she was under utilized til her final moments
@@jeffali5157 To each their own. Not sure how they’re forgettable moments though, they’re the culmination of story beats of those characters and explicitly moments where they get to shine. Can’t really forget Mina almost getting turned into ground beef and Kirishima not only saving her but throwing the sedative before himself getting smashed into the ground. The heroes leading the charge also all would have been fried if not for Kaminari rushing to the front to act as a lightning rod. Just cause it ain’t the MC and his bffs don’t mean it ain’t hype. I’d honestly have to argue that if that’s forgettable then yall don’t be watching anime fr and forget a lot of shit.
I think you just don't get that MHA isn't meant to be nearly as mature and violent as other shonen happening rn. It's meant to be like older, longer shonen where characters don't really die, but it's fun to watch them. The fact that a character as important as Twice was killed surprised me; I didn't think they were gonna kill anyone. Even Midnight was surprising cause she consistently shows up and is enjoyable to watch. Also if we're talking about "nothing happened", multiple characters were permanently disabled from that fight. Miruko lost two limbs, Aizawa lost his leg and potentially his eye, Gran Torino is effectively retired, Mirio is back, etc. Also All for One and basically every major villain was freed, as well as Shigaraki escaping. There's a BUNCH of other stuff too, but I won't bore you. I jus think your expectations of the show weren't really what the show was about. It was potentially the darkest tone so far in the story. The heroes lost, and BAD. JJK is a much darker, grittier anime, it's meant for that kind of stuff. You wouldn't expect a character in MHA to get their head blown off, even off-screen.
Not dying is another thing. But atleast 1 important character should have suffered any direct impact of this big war. Literally no one had any direct effects of fighting Shigarakai and Gigantomachia and other villians. Everyone was safe and chilling the next day.
It’s less complaining about too many dying and more the gojo simps having a straight up stroke cuz he became go/jo -also cuz losing everyone in the cast but like 4 people is devastating-
I think it's because there's a sort of a balance between killing off no one and killing off several characters. If no characters are killed, then the story doesn't really have high stakes. However, if too many characters are killed off, the author risks having the audience decrease their investment in the story (if any character at any time can be killed off, what's the point in being invested in what's going to happen to them?). Since both extremes are bad (if you're aiming for high stakes), you have to find a balance between killing too few characters and having your audience not take it seriously, and killing too many and making your audience apathetic.
Also something that doesn’t make sense is that people complain about Spolier Bakugo coming back from being dead, but those exact same people are the one who are begging for Gojo to come back 💀 So bring characters back or not?, plus same with Nobara
@@montserratmarroquin400 because nobody knew yuji will get so goated, everyone just came wanted gojo back since he was the only one with a realistic chance at beating sukuna if he came back again, the same for nobara with her CT that could affect him from afar bakugo on the other hand is not that special, he's not essential against either AFO or shigaraki
Honestly I dropped my hero after Mirko had gone to the lab to try to prevent Shigaraki's awakening. I know a shit ton of stuff happened since then but the few bits and pieces Ive seen make me not regret my decision. I think MHA was one of the pillars of the "hype" generation of new anime(like Fire Force, Black Clover etc), started off with a bang then couldnt keep it going in the long run. People were too quick to comapre them to the Big 3 and it showed that they were in fact not even on the same league. A shame, I want to have that hype again for MHA but right now nothing could make me go back, and your video just proves me that the downfall is indeed real
The key moment that really broke me in the Shibuya incident was the expression Yuji makes after seeing the obliterated city. His look of absolute horror, screaming about being a murderer, vomiting etc. We literally watch him have a mental breakdown as he finally comes to the reality that is Sukuna and what the king of curses is truly capable of. MHA still has yet to absolutely rip my heart out like JJK did with that scene.
It's funny how in their respective arcs so far sukuna and shigaraki have both pulled moves that turn the area around them to nothing but ash and its repeated in the manga couple of times difference is in shibuya we see civilians die, toge loses an arm and we see its consequences, the burden of sukuna killing those people with his domain lingers on yuji for up to the most recent chapters in the manga. But in mha shigaraki is always countered, the heroes we cared about avoid the decay, civilians were evacuated and in the mangas current arc everytime shigaraki has used decay its been negated
@@Cook1e2396 In MHA the heros were able to save some people but not very many in the scheme of things and it completely changed the tone of the story going forward. And while none of the major characters have been killed off their stories are still ongoing and we get to see the impact of the events on all of them.
For me twice death was as impactful as nobora and nanami deaths but the teacher's death i felt the most nothing in the show . students were crying but i felt nothing and the purple lady was hyped by manga fans but i felt nothing from her maybe the adaptation wasn't perfect but overall i enjoyed the season 8/10.
What people fail to see is while yes, the stories both have different messages and tones, one actually has villainous traits and real world consequences. You can't just punch a hole through somebody, have a decaying ability, and not decay them immediately afterwards. This is exactly what JJK does that MHA doesn't
The war arc felt like a light scuffle while the shibuya incident was an actual war, with casualties, a couple people died in the mha “war” where in shibuya people weren’t people they were just collateral damage, no one was gonna save them.
@@chideraumejiaku3895 Because none of the main characters seem to feel any real consequences in the arc. You can write all this explanation about how it supposedly impacted them. But if you don’t actually see it impact the main characters, aka the focus of the story, it doesn’t matter. This is a textbook example of “show don’t tell.” Or rather the lack thereof in MHA’s case.
@@helios2664 every character was negatively affected by the war, literally look at the state of everything after it happened Death doesn't equal a good story
With Shigaraki’s power set and what he DID with them, what he did in the War Arc (y’know, leveling entire cities/ sections of cities instantly) should have been a mass civilian casualty event like Shibuya. But it’s always shown that the heroes somehow evacuated _everyone_ just in time, or the casualties are only lightly wounded people. Though, I think part of the problem is that MHA is marketed towards a slightly younger audience than JJK, and thus is a bit more afraid to show mass death even at the hands of villains. It’s similar I guess to the difference between Justice League (animated) and Invincible. I think it just comes down to a fundamental difference in how the shows are constructed and themed.
In MHA ,A hero just gave up being a hero bcs he got hopeless seeing the devastation caused by villains. He couldn't take it anymore that no matter how hard he try he can't save everyone.
@@Vor567tez In terms of media depictions, yes. “Not save everyone” could mean anything from death to wounding or loss. It’s totally unclear how many people have died in the MHA War Arc whereas it’s very clear many hundreds have died in JJK. The fact that Shigaraki dusting an entire city didn’t outright have similar casualties to Shibuya shows what different audiences and messages they are going for.
@@Zarastro54 MHA did showed the causality and it's aftermath. I don't know why r you omiting that. They gave confirmed deaths of many heroes and showed how they died and tragic response of kid heroes on seeing the lifeless body of their teachers. Then a hero while rescuing in the remains giving up bcs of the devastation bcs there's no end. While Uraraka helplessly watches the hero lossing hope. The very thing that define her arc. This is great indication of the severity. If you r talking about civilian casualty that that's kinda weird bcs saying the characters you never saw, their death matters to you than those who were seen. They r numbers. Fans don't even remember how many deaths happened anyways.
So something I realized while watching the video is that while you were talking about how MHA's War Arc is failing in tension, you didn't really bring up how the Shibuya Incident was better. You sort of crammed it all in the end once you were done ranting about the War Arc. Now, I'm not trying to insult you and I agree with your opinion to an extent; however, I feel like when doing comparison videos like this it's important to make sure you compare more scene and characters from both shows rather than just primarily focusing on one for most of the time.
its just that the villains in jjk felt like they did something impactful, mahito killing nanami, killing kugisaki, heavily injuring todo, breaking yuji physicly and mentaly. while shigaraki, umm, almost killed a 60 year old? and caused eraser head to lose his leg, but nah both the 60 year old and eraser survive and are completly fine.
In retrospective, this is what happens when you send a ton of love letters cheering your favorite character like if it was a real person, to the guy who created such character and happens to be an actual person and also expects recognition but nah. Gege really went full Game of Thrones just to put a vendetta over y'all, lmao.
@@Roy-sr6gsHey don't go changing it you said everyone is immortal that said Midnight & Twice are really the only characters we spent enough time with to be considered important.
@@adambump5297 Oh no we lost two characters in a WAR ARC You expect to lose more important people when the arc has "War' on its name, not 2 side characters (But Twice was kinda important for the manga so I'll let that slide)
You choose to pick what matters in the arc, by ignoring the important changes to say "nothing matter". And you end by saying this arc was forgettable. Funny how you pretty much boil downs everything to "kill characters". You're definitely biased.
I havented watched MHA so take this with a grain of salt, but from what i can see JJKs art sytle and colouring really help with the "Pivotal moment for the villains" look, the intros blacks and reds and shibuyas dark streets really help characters like Mahoraga, jogo, Sukuna, and just CE really stand out while also helping with the dark tone.
I wasn't really planning to comment on this as writing is often personal and depends on the person but i just want to say something as these are two favourites of mine. I like to believe MHA is a story about society and not necessarily the people themselves and JJK is the opposite. To explain what i mean i want to ask a question, what did Midnight's death mean or do? From my perspective, nothing but i think that's what MHA is good at. Midnight dying didn't change momo during the fight like most manga would but instead hori used midnight's last words before the signal was cut as a way to improve momo, the death was an unfortunate bi-product. Now i know nanami does something similar but i want to expand on that. I believe in nanami's case that his death hit yuji first and then the words which is the opposite of what MHA does. (I know this seems a bit of a bad explanation but hold on) i believe hori is a writer that takes hope and then meets it with tragedy and gege is the opposite, there are stakes in both series and a ton of people die in both but they are fundamentally different. MHA doesn't kill characters because for its story it just wouldn't do anything because look at All Might, All Might didn't have to die for society to weaken just his powers but then when we look at gojo the same can't fully be said as it wasn't only Gojo's power but also him himself being able to influence Jujutsu society so gojo unlike All Might had to be removed for some impact to happen. I know it is gojo's powers that allow him to be so influential but he doesn't need to does he? He can just choose to leave everything to the higher ups the same way All Might does but he doesn't. I know this probably seems all over the place but i just wanted to say a few things that maybe a few others could streamline. Btw I'm 17 so I'd also like to propose the idea that the feeling towards the different arcs could be connected to fan's ages and the amount of anime seen in their lives.
I see your point but the hollowness of MHA future arc’s it’s very true (SPOILER ALLERT!) In this arc i felt no pressure or stakes cuz everyone kept not dying and the characters mostly didn’t changed (except basically Deku that went berserk); the few that died were so irrelevant or straight up unknown they had no impact, even if u say Hori if purposely not killing cuz it would be pointless then u have to show the consequences in other way, society in MHA changes so little and so slowly it basically don’t change at all. Te liberation army’s riot is so underwhelming it feel like a joke and the fact i know no students will ever die makes the events pointless, like i already know they are gonna succeed, and even if they don’t they wont die of face any consequences so every mission feel irrelevant. The final war arc is basically the worst version of this one, it’s supposed to be this big showdown of every villain and every heroes (outnumbered 1 to 1789) with this clever plan to use portals end stuff and basically everyone gets their spotlight fighting some major villain, witch to me fells kinda funny since they’re kids and the real pro heroes are no where to be found; and the worst part is none of this matters, none, the only fight that actually maters is Deku vs Shigaraki cuz they are so higher in the power rank they can easily go 1 v all the other after they’re done with their fight. I feel ridiculous that two students try to stop AFO and actually survive, like, the guy has offed every previous OFA user, matched fairly w All Might twice and has the dippers bag of the story. JJK actually present you w consequences in the small and grand scheme, ppl actually die and I’m not talking about sm side characters no one cares about but relevant one you actually had time to know, big events happen even on a international level and it directly ties into the next arc. The heroes effectively lose, the lost Gojo and some of them died and immediately everything changes: culling game kicks off, Yuji is sentenced to death, many revelation happened so even in the knowledge aspect things changed (Kenji revelation, Choso brother link, back of the box location…) It’s true that for some time no one major dies but than you get hit w Gojo’s death, Higaruma’s one, sukuna’s real form appearance, Geto’s apparent death and you feel the stakes; literally everyone can die and the world will inevitably change after this arc. That’s why the two stories had different success, not necessarily the way the choose to portray stress and pressure but the fact MHA effectively lacks consequences, nothing actually matters while in JJK the events feel impactful. The fact ppl are numb about characters death is something personal not necessarily a narrative problem. - ofc this is just my opinion i hope no one felt offended in any way, I’m sorry for any eventual grammar error (not my first language) -
@@lorenzoaccristo8712 (i will be mentioning something that hasn't been animated yet i believe so you have been warned) i agree with you on some things besides the point about MHA's society. In the manga (i think the anime has even reached the point) society doesn't just fall, international support is cut, boarders are closed and heroes just up and leave. I get that it was fast but i wouldn't say nonexistent as the other seasons and hell even the movies give the viewers a sense of the importance of the international connections and relationships in that world. I believe the consequences of MHA aren't the lives of the characters but instead how the world can easily be broken which we do see. A certain American doesn't die because we were meant to care for them but instead to see that international help was really needed as a couple jets weren't enough but i can understand why people wouldn't like that as much as hori does push it to the forefront as much as he should.
@@Arrakuu (spoiler warning but u already know that) i get it, maybe i explained myself poorly; it seems to me that the changes the society goes trough have a small affect on the story, sure u get some racist panels where ppl hate on heroes, you se the society start to crumble but after the heroes initially get in contact with it for the first time the theme gets left behind. Now we are in the final arc of MHA yet I didn’t felt the heroes were out numbered cuz they kept winning or at least get a tie; the hate on the gifted ppl (like the shark girl) has not been relevant since that episode. My critic is essentially that, the consequences aren’t long lasting and the society doesn’t affect enough the story. At the end this is only my opinion and I’m not a writer so…just different opinion. Thanks for sharing your view I appreciated it :)
@@avid4288Wouldnt that make it more realistic? Sukuna is the strongest, he should live up to that. This ain't another anime where the power of friendship solves the situation.
MHA isn't a series that kills characters alot. Typically they get maimed/permanently injured etc. You don't need actual death for stakes although a big death every now and then would help to heightened the stakes I suppose. The MHA arc was good, with the only significant issue being Gran Torino not dying but you kinda have to see it play out to see what Hori is gonna do with his character for the epilogue. I suppose its ok to annoyed/upset in the moment. The arc had a moment that outtrended the US election. It definitely had things going for it. Jjk killed so many characters in Shibuya that half the cast are new/relatively characters that alot of people don't even care about. With Gege introducing characters with no backstory that are conveniently powerful enough to deal with the series biggest threats.
JJK killed about 5-6 characters, not sure if that counts as so many, but it also felt a lot more impactful especially with how the war escalated. MHA has many issues, but the war arc I’ll admit was decent
i feel like ppl miss the point in JJK’s constant death and killing of characters in that, the whole nature of jujutsu sorcery is more so about the strong/competent surviving and what it truly means to be strong. As well as the value of humanity in our characters. Both the deaths of heroes and villains show this in my opinions and that’s why i think a lot of the deaths work except for one death in the manga.
Yea the anime also spells this out during Mahitos “You are me” speech by showing not only nobara was dead but hanami as well. Also Nobara and her death by proxy is embedded a little deeper into the thematic elements of the store. The whole idea of selfishness and growth as a sorcerer, as well as what it means to die a good death. The deaths really have meaning beyond shock value and character development
@glogangglory probably would've hit harder if those characters didn't have 7 minutes of screen time combined. Also stop kidding urselves its all for shock value. I mean look at fraudjo his shit happens off screen for shock value.
I kind of agree. Mha did really remove the stakes here for a "war arc". It's much easier to call the current point of the manga the actual war, because here we see characters seriously injured and some deaths. Jiro for example had one of her ears destroyed, like damn that's like making her quirk be less effective, that's gonna have consequences. Bakugou's supposed death was kind of just turned over, so that's a little less stakes, but Hawks also lost his quirk. There's a lot more stakes in the current point than in this failed war arc
@@Carbinatedfartt If you had taken the time not to just scim over what i wrote, you would see i wrote "Bakugou's supposed death was turned over". I litterally say that it made the stakes worse as his death was kind of just overwritten and lowered the actual stakes. Sure, it's good for shock value, but it just got turned over.
You do remember that both Hawks and Mirko got support tech that either allowed them to fully recover or mostly recover from the damage that impacted their quirks. At this point, technology in MHA is 100% plot convenient because we’re told characters like Hagakure and Momo MUST have their costumes designed the way they are because of the conflict with how their quirks function. Yet Mirio’s got a costume that completely works fine with his Quirk despite having a similar issue as them while Mirko is given an entire prosthetic limb to replace the one she lost that’s just as fine as the original, and All Might is given armor that allows him to fight toe to toe with prime AFO. So replacing Jirou’s lost ear when we see stuff like this shouldn’t be a problem. Hell, if you want to, you could also just have Eri Rewind the damage so that she gets her ear back since that’s all Eri is for these days, a healing plot device but of course, the story will just conveniently ignore her for the sake of the illusion of consequences
@@wizardwolf1020Im not fully caught up in the manga like with Hawks having support tech . I kinda gave up at the point where Hawks has his quirk taken. But yeah, all these stakes aren't really permanent at all for an arc that should be impactful, but IMO, it is still better than the first "war arc" with the paranormal liberation front
I'm a filthy casual who only watches the anime dubs, and took a while before I actually started watching MHA and JJK. But the issue I have with JJK is Gojo Satoru was probably the only character I found interesting, and when I found out about him dying in the manga I lost all interest in the series, I honestly don't find the other characters interesting enough to want to invest anymore time into the series, and the anime didn't give me enough reason to care about them. Yes MHA is a lot safer, but even that made me care about a handful of characters, with Twice being one, but I wasn't solely invested in Twice like I was with Gojo Satoru in JJK.
My big problem with the Shibuya incident is that the bad guys that got killed off are so overwhelmingly weak compared to Sukuna that, effectively, nothing has changed. It's Jogo syndrome - an intensely strong character getting absolutely fodderized because they only ever fought people stronger than themselves. Hanami's death SHOULD have been impactful, but we've seen barely any of the actual bond or friendship between the disaster curses. The big problem is that in my opinion Sukuna isn’t well-written, because his strength is so phenomenally overwhelming that every other villain in the series seems insanely weak by comparison. THIS IS A TEAM OF SPECIAL GRADE CURSES AND THEY ARE NON-THREATS APART FROM MAHITO! Hanami had the misfortune of only ever being shown fighting Todo and Yuji (at least it was an actual fight).
The thing about the shibuya incident was exactly what the name said incident meaning something is coming that's going to be crazy especially with kenjacho sus activities. And people are so desensitized to death you need it to feel something, and that's a little scary you don't experience it on a consistent basis or deal with psychopaths with Narssasistic syndrome these are kids if that are dealing with 15 year old minds.
@ggwp638BC people want the regular with anime and manga and this isn't it. It's inherently dark and twisted. It's not by the power of friendship we'll win vibe. And shibuya wasn't a war arc it was an intro to the next phase of events.
After the shibuya arc we have a impending sense doom, we saw that our favourite characters are not safe and we don't know who else will follow them, even yuji with his plot armour may not die but is fated with suffering worse than dead.
I honestly thought they gonna kill him. Surprised they did not which is honestly great. Instead they made him more bada** . By showing how he will fight for those who rely on him till his last breath!
Wut? First of all, all of them already got their official hero license. Which means, they are already eligible to do hero works and it's already been established that heroes that died in battle are normal occurence since season 3. So, for them it isn't something that they wouldn't expect so idk where you get these impressions that all of them are naive.
Honestly u couldnt b more wrong death isnt about stakes or consequence, its about the vacuum of despair it leaves. Nanami, nobara, or the disaster curses had 0 vacuum it was all on the fly. Twice left hawks in a state where he was prepared to let himself die to toga to repent because even he knew he killed a good guy who was forced n2 this lifestyle. It also made society see more of the gray area, that heroes will kill as long as it benefits what theyre going for(later reinforced by nagant). midnight resulted aizawa and mic depression, ashido maturing but also being conflicted on morals when seeing said killer, and its the first time those kids have to cope with death. In jjk after nobara and nanami died its a brief moment and its pretty much never mentioned by anyone other than itadori and megumi. Same with higaruma, yuki, and anyone else lol
did you even watch the mha war arc several people were losing limbs that they to this current chapter in the manga havent gotten back a lot of people did in fact die and there has been major consequences for example hawks losing his back to Dabi has left him severely weakened because his quirk has WAY less feathers now Miruko losing majority of her limbs and literally needing support items just to be able to help Twice being completely dead midnight being completely dead the entire world collapsing on itself I mean u say all of this about knowing the characters when we've got basically 0 character from nobara other than her being a gag most of the time most of the people that did die in shibuya I couldnt give a rats ass about them because they werent developed and idk where you're seeing this development at unlike with twice who was a really lovable character the stories HAD consequences you're just undermining them because gege kills off a character every episode and that makes it feel like its got more consequences even though actions do have impact in mha and thats very clear from anyone who actually pays attention to the injuries we see and as for Deku it shouldve been obvious he'd build up more of a resistance seeing as he can now use 45% as oppose to the last time he used 100% he was only maintaining 5% of one for all him having more of a handle on it should be obvious we've seen lasting affects from this arc that I feel ur just ignoring like the mentality it gave Deku how society was ruined needed character development for Bakugo more input on the Todoroki family and then you bring up jiro vs all for one like she significantly beat him by herself and mahito does NOT feel more dangerous than shigaraki thats an atrocious take especially when his techniques dont even work on the main character while Deku literally has to pummel shigaraki so badly he cant even fight back just to stand a chance at winning ur tryna tell me itadori who cant be affected by mahitos instant kill and todo who can just switch places with anything he wants felt more dangerous than shigaraki who was going up against an entire team of heroes quirkless and winning alright buddy Itadori was literally a punching bag for several minutes until todo showed up and none of those punches had lasting affects on him just due to how much stronger and better he is than mahito and gran torino is hospitalized he is NOT fine lol you act like hes been on the front lines in the currect arc the entire time plus gran torino was still needed within the story to show Izuku that killing Shigaraki is another way of saving him and are you seriously bringing up machia being outsmarted the guy whose a literal dumbass that just follows commands and he wasnt even stopped by them until endeavor knocked him down multiple episodes later Iida punching Deku had more weight mainly because we had an entire arc of Iida doing what Deku was attempting to do and regretting it also you use events that will stick with you as a last argument meanwhile Bakugo saving Deku will hold way more impact to me than any moment in shibuya mostly because shibuyas moments are carried by memes like I would never talk about jogo vs sukuna if it werent for memes because i could give a rats ass when it comes to jogo meanwhile literally any moment with shigaraki sticks simply because of my villain academia
Holy shit bro chill out. First of all MHA does not contend with JJK its pacing is slow and their are parts of the war arc that are generally cool but the emotional build up for characters deaths and injurious are pitiful I care about Twice more than I care about Midnight dying because midnight was an emotionally shallow character that I could not give shit about while Twice had an emotional breakthrough and finally figured himself out while Midnight couldn't even get a on screen death. Also MHA has one of the most poorly paced fights and fairly boring heros at this point.
"moments are carried by memes like I would never talk about jogo vs sukuna if it werent for memes" ngl thats just you and your youtube page. Me personally i think that fight was heat
I think jjk is great because I genuinely don’t know what direction it’s going in, also there is a lot of mystery surrounding so many of the characters. Keeps me engaged 😊
I feel like both series have the opposite problem. MHA: Nobody ever dies so it's hard to care about what's happening since you known nothing truly bad can happen to them. JJK: Anyone can die at random so it's hard to get invested in any character or their arcs since they can just abruptly end at any time.
I've only seen the anime, but I don't think people suddenly die enough to not get attached to them. Yeah Maki, Junpei, Nobara, and Nanami had fairly sudden deaths. Junpei's death was alright with me since it gave Itadori motivation to kill and hate Mahito. Nanami, Nobara and Maki's death made the Curses seem more powerful and threatening. We also had a good amount of time to get invested with Nanami, Nobara, and maybe Maki, although I think she was a least devolved one in the anime, although if Maki gets more character in the movie let me know.
@@Roy-sr6gsbut they put so much emphasis on it like it’s some kind of twist, I was just done with MHA right when that scene happened in the manga, previous scenes were weird and didn’t add any weight, but they weren’t terrible, but the Dabi scene I was like “ok shut up”
2:39 The thing about Gojo getting sealed raising the stakes of the story is... MHA did the same thing with All-Might during Kamino (which you do mention). That moment was _supposed_ to be the start of the downfall of hero society and it was... in the background. I don't think it has to do with the deaths either. imo it's because the villains lost. Twice died, Compress was captured, Dabi's reveal was undermined because Jeanist was alive, Toga and Spinner... were there. The PLF were all defeated. What changes because of the war, really? Heroes started quitting? Stain's whole purpose was to show that the heroes were superficial and quit the second things got real. Crime rose? It was *already* rising. That's Red Riot's whole arc! Aizawa can't erase as good as before? So, USJ but again? The prison breakout? What was stopping AFO from doing that before the war other than plot? There was 2 seasons worth of build up around Shigaraki leveling up and all this tension around not letting him get to Deku at all costs, but when he does get to Deku, Deku is able to hold his own fighting Shigaraki after only more basic training. The JJK equivalent would be if Megumi had actually been able to fight back against Toji and do more than run for his life. And yes, Shigaraki had been fighting for a while by then and was incomplete, but he should've still been leagues above a teenage boy with broken arms. Midnight's death was downright silly. I don't think any hero could've looked cool if they died because of pocket concrete, even if the audience spent 10 seasons with them. The only real consequence of MHA's war arc that wasn't already happening was the Todoroki family drama becoming public.
Yes crime was already rising but after the war there were many citizens purchasing and using weapons to fight crime themselves which often caused more property damage and potential casualties then the average villain usually would since they were often just robbers with decent quirks. In the manga during the 2nd war it’s shown that Aizawa can’t use his quirk reliably at all even with the help of the water hero guy hydrating his eyes. This is way more pivotal then when the USJ invasion happened since shigaraki is a far greater threat and thus makes the reader or watcher deeply care about what happens to Aizawa. Prison break couldn’t have happened until after the war because the heroes would’ve gone to stop it instead of all being hospitalized, dead, or trying to evacuate everyone in the cities that were demolished in the war. I wouldn’t call Deku’s training basic since he specifically trained to better control black whip as well as using using uraraka’s quirk to quickly learn float. Also the point of showing that Deku was barely on par with shigaraki at shigaraki’s state during that fight (incomplete and already battle damaged like you said) is to show how much of a problem he would be when he would eventually become complete. That not only sets up the 2nd war arc but also helps justify deku’s vigilante arc by making it a big deal how dangerous a completed shigaraki and free AFO could be. Midnight didn’t technically die to the concrete she got killed off by a group of villains that showed up after she fell but I agree that it a dumb way to go out though
@@MonkeyMan-hx7hv Training to control black whip and float ≠ months of assimilating AFO's quirks, being tortured for his body to be able to handle it, and having his quirk level up to city-level destruction. Compared to what Shigaraki went through, Deku's training is basic. Deku was 100% keeping up with Shigaraki. If he wasn't he wouldn't have been able to pull him away from the heroes and save them. If Deku hadn't shown up, can you really say that the heroes fighting Shigaraki wouldn't have all died? Counterpoint to the buying of weapons and tech to cause more damage than average after the war: they were already doing that. Not the citizens, granted, but the entire Yakuza arc about quirk boosting drugs is about that and how the average villain was no longer 'average'. The heroes were all already stretched thin before the war. There's no way they would be able to stop several prison breaks at once on top of keeping the city criminals in check when they couldn't even catch the league at the Yakuza compound despite how many heroes were present. They couldn't even contain the damage caused by the PLF, who they had the jump on. More criminals would've been recaptured, yes, but the powerful ones like Nagant? I'm sorry but the #8 hero isn't stopping her. Whatever prison Endeavor was sent to would probably end up being the most contained, but he can't be everywhere at once.
@@BuzzabeelYT while it's true that in a powerscaling discussion, city level does not mean to have a city level feat, a few blocks is still much smaller than a city.
@@ajojofann what about seto, the tape guy? or the dude that speaks to animals? what about shugar gero who's literally jusr a gymbro, mineta? those people are so weak they should have never even been in class 1-A to begin with XD
one thing that honestly would've made the Paranormal liberation war arc better is if we just got to see shigaraki actually KILLING important characters, and not just severely injuring them. One of the most impactful moments in MVA was seeing shigaraki kill a ENTIRE CROWD of people, that honestly felt more brutal than anything he did during the war arc
i dont rlly know i enjoyed both arcs personally. im neurodivergent and my special interest currently is mha. i do find interest in seeing where it excelled and where it fell off though so this comment will only be about mha imo they both do what they're supposed to do but mha's feels a little lacking in a few aspects like... midnight's death felt useless. the only reason why i say this is because they don't necessarily give us a reason to care for midnight's passing. especially with the way her death is treated afterwards. (yes im talking about how aizawa reacted) theres also the characters that could've and should've died, while gran torino is obvious honestly i think they should've killed off pixie bob, rocklock (could've been a nice kill for shigaraki since he was doing. absolutely nothing next to aizawa), and maybe fatgum because we don't see him ever again after that 😭 those are my opinions though one thing i want to make clear is that i don't think character deaths would fix all the mistakes the arc had, i just think it would really push the stakes higher for the following war. which i think the second war is peak for me just please note that i am a silly neurodivergent teen who really likes mha. and this is just my opinion. everyone is entitled to like what they like and honestly, i really enjoy both jjk and mha. i think both authors are skilled and im excited to see where both mangas go
so because no one dies thats so dumb i think after jjk came out now EVERY anime fight had to have dire consequences and main/side characters HAVE to die its just so stupid the only people i hear complaining about mha are jjk fans and op fans
Nobody has to die. The war arc just didn't have much progression. It really just threw random events and such into the storyline without proper development. Overall, it feels more shallow in comparison to other arcs where the stakes were indefinitely higher.
I feel like this video all amounts to "I like one anime more than the other and so I care more about one than the other", but MHA's war arc would be flat out better if they eliminated talking it out as an option. That's what's killing it for me. The talk no jutsu crap has no place in such a huge conflict.
MHA has more well written and enjoyable characters that stick around through the story. I love the parallels and foils dynamics between them like Shouto and Dabi, Ochako and Toga and Izuku and Shigaraki. Plus all these characters are good on there own and plus has more that I didn't mention. But they all play a role in the story that matters.
Definitely not more well written, and the Izuku and Shiggy dynamic definitely isn’t touched up nearly as much since they barley interacted throughout the series and with how rushed the final act became. The rest though did have more structure though, most notably todofam. And that’s pretty much it lol.
for me most memorable jjk stuff was gojo being sealed, mahoraga vs sukuna, and nobaras death. I am 100 percent biased tho i never got very invested in jjk, but i remember vividly in mha twice dying, shigaraki leveling the city, shigaraki vs deku, aizawa getting crippled, toga vs uraraka, dabis dance, best jeanists arrival, and that glorious moment where afo calls izuku useless and flings him away as the villain's escape. Idk maybe the characters don't change much but that doesnt change the fact the entire vibe of the show is never the same again afterwards as most of the last arc has been in ruins and stormy, along with all of dark deku. eh idk why im saying this
yall instead of being fans off and anime and then making people mad just dont say anything and also bruh deku couldn't even move after using 100 percent after the fight
JJK is just built different in the Shibuya arc. Sure, there are similarities, but what made it different/interesting from the war arcs is the parts where there are antagonists twist their roles in the war (e.g. Toji temporarily "helping" the sorcerers in their dire situation by overpowering and killing Dagon who trapped them in his domain followed by killing attempts to Megumi, and then there's Sukuna who was thought to be on the side of the special-grade curses but doesn't completely side with them because of his one condition, and even OBLITERATES one of them FOR FUN followed by a massive collateral damage in Shibuya with EVERYONE in the vicinity, which is no mercy.)
Yeah you don’t really see any betrayals on either the heroes or villains sides in MHA. It’s all just clear cut from the audiences perspective and whatever twists and surprises they tried to sell were half baked or didn’t age well like Mirio returning, Compress’s backstory, Deku’s arms situation, Shigaraki basically becoming a vessel for AFO, Bakugou getting stabbed with death flags, Gran Torino getting impaled to the ground with death flags, Dabi’s big reveal gets uprooted by Best Jeanist coming back, etc.
The thing of Horikoshi not wanting to take risks isn’t just in the war arc, it’s prevalent throughout the whole series. And it really holds MHA as a whole back, since it simply causes it to undermine it’s own themes too much. JJK is a breath of fresh air in this regard, some people do have some complaints of the manga killing too many characters later on. However even _if_ that’s the case, I’d still take that over MHA never doing anything interesting with it’s characters.
@@helios2664 like the characters go on and on all the time about how dangerous being a hero is and how they could easily lose their lives but you legit don’t see a character die until the Overhaul arc. Up to that point, the only deaths you could find were maybe the occasional NPC character death.
"MHA's war arc would have been a lot more interesting if characters we had actually grown to know, died". Can't believe you said this and praised JJK. **NONE** of those characters have any personality. They're basically meat puppets for the grinder. The only person of substance who dies is Nanami. And he had NOTHING left to do in the story; which is a MAJOR flaw in Gege's writing. He has said it: when he has nothing left for characters to do in the story he kills them off. And it's EXACTLY why their deaths are hollow. On the opposite side of that spectrum: It's why Jiraiya's death is sad, there's still stuff left to TEACH Naruto and there's more bonding time to be had. Nobara is about to die, the pacing *stops DEAD* and then we get an episode and a half of flashback of her. It's like the author realized, moments before killing her, that he never actually made her a character. People need to stop pretending JJK is genius. It really isn't.
"nothing left for characters to do in the story he kills them off" jit, what are you gonna do with characters that have their arc's done? are you just gonna let them live till the end, especially in an arc where the major guy(gojo) got sealed and every single other characters attempt to unseal him? dude. a character that's done is a character that is DONE, why are you gonna let finished weight try and carry the story more when their arc is fully finished? by this logic you are basically saying that their deaths shouldn't have happened else they're hollow, which is stupid in a case of an actual WAR, or INCIDENT should i say also, in Nobara's case, you do realize that the author knew what to do with Nobara right? genuinely that's dumb if you think that "he never actually made her a character" by giving her a flashback before her death like, dude, that contradicts her whole flashback then since why bother making a flashback anyways. if she never had a character, why would you make a flashback then? theres no point in a flashback for someone who never had a character, because that's either called filler or a unimportant side character
not to mention at 8 minutes we had a previous arc where endeavour the #1 hero struggled to kill 1 high end nomu and then in the war arc we just see them being 10 v1d by nomus and they arent having near as much as a struggle
Bro, garaki literally explained to you that those are "near high-ends". They're not the same quality as the high end that endeavour face bruh. First of all, they literally just got awakened from their test tube so of course they would be lagging. Secondly, the police personally select the heroes that are perfectly fit for the job there not to mention they're fighting in an enclosed space where there are no civilians around so the pro heroes are able to use they're quirk much more broadly here than the one with endeavour. You are literally comparing a situation where there are only 2 pro heroes fighting in crowded places unprepared against ones that they meticulously planned and even knows they will fight those high ends since they have all the information.
(TL;DR at the end) This is what I like to call: the JJK effect lol. It’s when people who love JJK have been so normalised to half the entire main cast dying for no reason before they get barely any development and thinking that’s the only consequence that can exist in a story. (No offence, sorry that came out aggressive haha). Like I really can’t see how these are “fakeouts” or “safe writing”, ESPECIALLY with Bakugo. You probably picked the example that has one of the heaviest consequences out of the entire series. That moment not only starts a fire within Deku that doesn’t get put out until the end of the next arc, but also makes a start towards one of if not the biggest character development of the entire series, Bakugo’s apology which completely changes his relationship with Deku. In terms of the example with Gojo, yes I do agree that it’s smart to seal him off and therefore our sense of safety is gone, but… the way he gets sealed is just so pathetic I can’t believe it. The moment Gojo steps foot into Shibuya he just doesn’t feel the same. He’s suddenly on edge and seems so worried he might actually lose, which is a good way to build up suspense and tension yes, but we therefore expect to see him fight a huge villain and lose towards the beginning of the arc. Not get caught in a very easy trap like that that his season 1 version wouldn’t have even entertained. It just makes me feel cheated and like this isn’t the strong, cocky Gojo we all know, and therefore makes the rest of the arc much less convincing. Also the villains in JJK are an actual joke comparing to MHA, even in both arcs mentioned here. Jogo’s a joke, Hanami’s bland as heck, Geto.. who the heck is he?? And Sukuna’s just the one who wants to destroy for the sake of destroying. And to top it all off, Mahito is actually okay but is the very cliche deranged villain and once again has barely any depth. Nothing nearly as close as interesting comparing to Shigaraki with very deep and interesting backstory and motives, Dabi which I don’t have to explain, Twice with his relationship with Toga, and Toga, being kind of similar to Sukuna in some ways in the fact that she’s literally just insane and there’s nothing really more to her villainy, but the anime still does something with that in making her love the people she’s supposed to kill, and figure out if they really are as bad as she thinks. Now onto the big part, the consequences of Shibuya Incident. Nobara and Nanami die. 2 main characters who barely got to do anything yet. And they get killed by Mahito of all people. 2 characters who still had so much potential die just like that to a villain who isn’t even that threatening (at least imo). Imo this doesn’t make the arc and its consequences impactful and rather does the opposite and just makes it less convincing due to the fact that they die just like that to Mahito. Something which people dont realise as well is imo the TRUE difference between these arcs, the times in which they happen. MHA’s war arc happens after 200 chapters of the series, and 6 seasons into the anime, literally starting the final saga. The Shibuya Incident happens in the second season of the anime, serving as one of the introductory arcs to the story. Now, there’s 2 types of war arcs that a series can adopt. A war arc which happens as a result of big events going on in the story and is the true height and climax of those events (most war arcs), or war arcs which serve to build the characters and get you to know more about them and deepen your bond with them (I mean I’ve only seen that in World Trigger with its Invasion arc around like 30 episodes in). MHA obviously adopts the first type and does it perfectly, as most series do since it’s near the end of the series and therefore all of the events have already happened. In MHA’s case, this is what the plot has been building up to ever since the beginning of Season 5 and really just after the AFO vs All Might battle. The problem with JJK is that it also adopts the first type and kills off characters as if we’ve gotten to know them for like 200 chapters, but, we just don’t. The Shibuya Incident just has no substance (for me at least) because it’s just events happening to characters that I barely even know, so essentially you could just replace them with blank NPCs and it wouldn’t honestly have TOO much of a difference. And moreover, there just is no big events that have happened for it to be the big climax of. I mean yeah there was a bit of build up with Geto mentioning the date, but literally nothing else. One date drop isn’t build up for an entire war where 2 major characters die and a huge part of an entire area gets wiped out lol. Back onto the consequences part, this is what I mean by the ‘JJK effect’. Consequences don’t always just mean characters dying. In MHA, characters suffered life-changing injuries, and the whole point of the 4 aftermath episodes and the Dark Hero Arc was to show the true consequences of the war, hero society. Shigaraki levelled an entire city bro, killing thousands of innocent people and completely destroying the public’s already shaky reception of heroes to bits. MHA has always went for a more mature and realistic approach, ESPECIALLY in this war arc. Stuff like Midnight’s death are ‘brushed over’ for example because the series is trying to teach us that it’s not all about them anymore, it’s about all of society. We do get to see the impact of her death on the students and it gets brushed over to show that it’s just one of the many casualties in the war and those casualties aren’t always people just dying or getting injured but it goes much much deeper into the civilians and hero society. Also the war arc literally starts the final saga of the series, by far the darkest and puts the world of MHA into a panic state where they could lose at pretty much any point and the whole of Japan could fall under AFO’s rule very easily. Seems like pretty big consequences to me. Also Deku just suddenly being able to use 100% against Shiagarki numerous times isn’t just a magical thing that happens with no consequence. He’s able to use it in the moment because of adrenaline and afterwards he’s literally paralysed and has to move with his mouth. In the arc after that, he has to use specially made cuffs to help him even withstand OFA’s power after all those blows he made to Shigaraki. To wrap this up, about Shigaraki and Mahito and how Mahito’s way more threatening and all because he kills more, I kinda already explained this with the whole consequences point but I’d like to bring up the fact that Shigaraki was quirkless during the entire fight with everyone and was still able to hold his own, cause major injures to the pro heroes and students, and was able to survive like 6-7 100% OFA blows at point-blank range. The fact that he was able to level an entire city from just touching the ground comparing to Mahito’s killing of 2 characters is immensely different. Imo that’s MUCH more threatening since we actually get to see the heroes’ strength versus just a portion of the villain’s strength and them getting absolutely humiliated while 2 main characters just get cheaply taken out by a villain who we’ve barely even seen except in 1 or 2 fights before. (TL;DR) Overall, it’s up to different tastes. Both series have consequences just different types. MHA goes for mature and realistic consequences whereas JJK goes for more shonen and traditional consequences (key word: traditional, not generic). In my opinion, the Shibuya Incident is a much poorer execution of a war arc than the Paranormal Liberation War because of everything which I’ve said above, but hey, as I just said, this is a case where it’s truly up to just different opinions.
I always took MHA as light hearted X Men…so I actually think it has done fine for the tone it has always aimed for. Plus I think the manga is better than the animation. There some really intense moments the anime flubbed. But props to GeGe because Shibuya changed the entire atmosphere of the manga. The War arc in MHA it was more of an escalation of what already existed.
Honestly, MHA can be so lighthearted that calling it lighthearted X-Men makes it sound more hardcore than it is, imo. It's clear that Kohei very much doesn't want to murder any of his action figure sales and no MHA story is as dark as people wanting to genocide all mutants.
6:25 they also said. if he broke his arms like that again, he would lose function in them. imagine THIS. he does this... but ends up losing one or even both his arms during the war. something that he always used. something he always relied on. it would also question whether he can fight All for one and shigaraki when he is stuck at a major disadvantage. hell. Gran torina should have died. he was the teacher of all might and deku. so him dying would hit hard as hell. also. yeah. should have killed some major heroes and even students. god, imagine if kaminari died? someone who's suppose to be comic relief... only to now be dead.
The doctors said that if Midoriya shatters his arms again too many times, his arms won't work anymore. He broke his arms against Shigaraki, big difference.
You still have to remember that mha is a show about kids with superpowers not some show full of death its meant to be somewhat chrerful (until this arc) but either way they wouldnt really just kill off children like that unless the author is a beast like Gege or Fujimoto
That’s my favorite thing about jjk they’re not afraid to kill children, if you’re going to have kids fighting in wars, not all of them are gonna live. It up the stakes even more
After taking a long break and watching the anime, I tried to read MHA's manga. At some point, I gave up because I found the story a bit slow after season 3 or 4, and the stakes didn't seem as high anymore. When MHA started to get dark, I expected it to have casualties that mattered, and because it didn't happen, I thought that the only reason to continue was if I liked some characters in the main cast because they would probably not die. And if they did, there would be a way to fix it. When I read JJK, the thing that attracted me was realizing that not everything said by characters in the manga is true. Sometimes, they don't know, lie, or are lied to. Another thing is that if somebody tells you that someone is a menace and you might die facing them, it's not an empty threat. Even though people say that JJK is not deep or that deaths became a cheap plot device, I am still reading it not because I like a specific character but because I want to see where the story ends, not just how many people are still there at the end but the journey to get there, the losses and victories along the way, the development of the characters' philosophies -good or bad, but also the acceptance that not everything will be alright for the main character and his allies because he is the main character.
Then there’s also the genuine question of if the heroes will even win in the end or if they all die with the villains winning. It’s so fascinating to me how JJK has a story that’s so willing to punish the main character for having typical Shonen protagonist ideals and mindset when other series like MHA would reward them for essentially being right.
I get what you’re saying for sure. They couldve added more emotional depth to War Arc. Killed out a more important hero or one of the kids. But I wouldn’t say it didnt have any consequences. So many heroes that didnt die, substained such grave injuries. Miriko probably wont ever fight again. Aizawa is missing a limb, which will surely take away the martial arts MASTER we know him to be. Gran Torrino has a leg decayed i think, can he still fly? And what i Will compliment the arc on as far as consequences is showing the aftermath of such a war. Gigantomachia ran THROUGH cities. And Shigaraki leveled his own fair share. Heroes that arent dead or maimed, had to retire because of backlash. The public lost all faith. Society became anarchy and started to collapse everywhere in Tokyo. MHA focused more on those consequences than the actual war. And maybe that wasnt the best choice but it was a creative choice. I dont think MHA was ever gonna be that anime that just killed ppl off and we knew that from the jump. It was always a little on the brutal side for a superhero show, but still way more light hearted than a JJk or a Chainsaw Man. MHA is about hope and heroes while JJK is about being thrown into despair and trying to live with it/overcome it. The whole power system of jjk is based off of negative emotions and energy and curses. I just dont think the two are super comparable in terms of realism and showcasing death and despair.
Mirko can still fight. Prosthetics exist that can also act as support tech meaning that a lot of the consequences of the war can be mitigated or outright negated with MHA plot device technology. Then there’s also Eri who could just rewind all the damages if the plot allowed it. And Shibuya did change the landscape in a way where there’s just no turning back even if the villains are beaten unlike MHA where society could just be largely returned to the way it was once the villains are beaten. JJK really takes the time to show that the change will be irreversible with it even extending to beyond Japan as the story so far was largely regulated to Japan only but with the word of Curses getting out, foreign powers will obviously get involved. Not only that but the consequences of Shibuya are much more great on the cast than MHA’s war arc. The 1-A students are basically still all sunshine and rainbows even though they literally fought in a way not long ago where teachers and heroes they knew died with classmates almost dying yet it seems like none of that mattered. Meanwhile, Yuji goes from the happy and cheerful guy he was to serious and depressed after Shibuya. Todou lost a hand which unlike MHA, can’t be easily replaced so he’s basically forced to retire, Nobara, Nanami, and Naobito are dead which will have varying consequences, Jujutsu Society now has the death penalty put on Yuji and Yaga which makes them targets, Megumi will also feel guilt for what happened in Shibuya because he both summoned Mahoraga and is largely the reason that Yuji was kept alive which allowed for Sukuna to cause all that chaos and death. Shibuya has consequences that will not only affect the world but also the characters on a very personal level because it’s like a chain reaction, one thing causes another then another and then another where things can be traced back to Gojo getting sealed and the chaos of Shibuya.
Am i the only one who thinks that the war arc would be a lot better if class 1a and 1b had bigger roles in it? Horikoshi wrote very interesting and diverse characters, only to barely use them after like season 3
They're are in action I'm currently watching the new episodes, problem is people are took quick to judge war arc just opening up and people making vedio without knowing a shit.
Analyzing The BEST Fight In JuJutsu Kaisen : th-cam.com/video/UYCR4HVje_s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=K5g2-7pYrntuiP2V
BOTH STILL DAMN MEDIOCRE AT BEST. BOTH MHA AND JJK VILLAINS MOSTLY ARE COOKIE CUTTER TYPE OF ANTAGONIST. JJK IS ALL ABOUT STEREOTYPICAL SHONEN BATTLE MANGA. BEEN THERE DONE THAT. WHILE THE PLOT AND WORLD BUILDING ARE MID. RECENT CHAPTERS KEEP BECOMING LESS AND LESS INTERESTING SINCE GOJO GONE.
MEGA SPOILER ALERT
the funny thing about all of this is that in the mha manga bakugo dies, wich is a big turn in the story, but then just 20 chapters later comes back, as of right now in the last chapter of the mha manga, deku lost both of his arms, its implied that its going to be permanent
Even after all the complaints about "killing for shock value", I cant do but love how Gege really did put all of jujutsu society's weight on one man's shoulders, and in bout three hours after he is sealed half the cast is dead.
Only then I think you start to understand what Gojo's figure implies and why are all of them risking their lives for a chance for him to get free
Not only the deaths, after gojo gets sealed, several other actions were taken such as the culling games start, the execution of yuji coming into motion again and yuta coming to japan again
What is funny is that if no one dies, there would be complains about plot armour 😂
@@viggokozak6468 Because if anyone survived the power based version of a CoD war like the War arch in BNHA, of course there would be complains.
I’ll never completely understand the “shock value” allegations. This is fucking war, and the good guys just lost by far their most important chess piece. Obviously, they are going to take heavy losses.
gege when i catch you gege
Honestly, considering how Shibuya was considered an “incident” I dread what a actual war in JJK would look like
Geto implied Gojo could singlehandedly eliminate all non sorcerer life on earth, so if that's HIS peak, we can reasonably assume that, yeah, it'd end all life on earth easily
@@minejack7773 thats mostly by virtue of the fact nothing humans have could actually hit gojo, and his power being infinite thanks to being able to constantly reset his technique's stamina, he could basically just blow up every country if he wanted.
@@collenjets123 My point is that "if the single strongest sorcerer could do that, multiple lesser sorcerers could as well". Geto himself was on his way to getting to that level, so just by general scaling using statements made by other sorcs, it'd make sense that an all out war would end all human life
Are you an incident because you happened in shibuya? Or are you shibuya because you had an incident?
I agree with you but I also think it's a matter of translation, in French for example, the Shibuya incident is called "le drame de Shibuya" and "drame" has a much more negative connotation, a "drame" is a disaster whereas an incident feels more neutral. And from my (brief) research and what I've heard on the subject, the word for incident in Japanese "jiken" seems to often be used in relation with disasters, like murder cases, terrorist events or war events like the "Nanjing incident" for example..
Sorry for such a long message when in reality your message is right, an actual war in jjk would be absolutely terrifying if Shibuya is just an isolated case
I'd agree with you if I weren't so far into the manga. I'm not lauding being a "manga reader" over anime-only watchers, but Gege's formula effectively trained me to not care about anyone living or dying. In fact, it makes it so that I'm cheering for the villain because everything's just tipped into his favor. MHA doesn't make use of killing off their cast of characters impactful enough, and ironically, after the Shibuya Arc, so does JJK.
The not caring for the heroes and cheering for the villains is honestly true. Even a big reactor (JAMIUWU ) was saying things like "should Maybe I should start rooting for sukuna, atleast that way I won't feel hurt" after the nobara death (i think).
Mha has no deaths that are impactful, we didnt know nighteye for long enough to cry over him and midnight could have been impactful but they didn't even show her corpse let alone her dying, they just showed her broken glasses and Class A students crying over her.
So rn I'm pretty numb when it comes to death In both the series. Jjk kills So many people that idc anymore, whereas Mha just doesn't kill characters that I'd be sad over (Gran Torino, Hawks, Endeavor & even All might for that matter).
I like how characters can and will die to the villains in jjk it means that each fight really feels like it could go either way.
@@mohammadjunaid2683the payoff is when the antagonist finally lose. A few characters dying doesn’t mean Sukuna will win. They’ve been building up Yuji from the beginning for a reason
@NFLDRAFT2018 Yeah, but the problem is that (SPOILERS) Sukuna became so mind-numbingly powerful that I just can't accept him losing. Like, okay, depending on what Gege has built up, maybe I can accept certain answers. But it just won't be easy to accept.
@@kamelo2219 Killing off important characters to show that the stakes are high is a pretty legitimate way of conveying that the situation they're in is real to not just the characters within the show, but to the audience. Too many shows either pull back, or if a character does die, they're either brought back by some shonen miracle only available within that universe, or the characters were too minor to begin with. I'm not saying that killing off minor characters can't have a significant weight attached, and nor am I saying that resurrecting a character after a conflict is inherently bad, but when you see it enough times, it takes the winds out of the sails.
The end of the shibuya incident arc (atleast in the anime so far) is probably the best turning point I’ve ever seen in anime. You see all the disaster curses, sukuna himself, geto, etc fighting the jujutsu sorcerers and going full carnage mode. And what cements this arc at the end is the real world consequence of what happened. We see how gojo was judged accomplice to the incident, we see the chaos that will remain for long in the whole of Japan. But most of all we see our protagonist, Itadori Yuuji get sentenced to death and his executioner is none other then the protagonist of the jjk movie, another really strong sorcerer that we have grown to love.
Yeah, especially when the anime takes time to showcase the environmental change during and after Shibuya. We see and feel the utter devastation that came in the wake of Sukuna, Jogo, and Mahoraga as the primary culprits for all the destruction. Not only in how messed up the streets and buildings look, but also by just how dead everything is. There’s little working street lights with fires littered around the place, the occasional blood splatters among the wrecked cars and buildings with even a portion of Shibuya being reduced to a giant wasteland of a crater that can be seen from space. That all made me feel the utter bleakness and depression of the situation more than everything MHA’s war arc tried to sell because the ATMOSPHERE made it all the more darker as opposed to MHA lighter and more colorful atmosphere which just makes things look like generic destruction.
Then there’s just how quite things become afterwards as you see the parts of Japan that AREN’T destroyed yet they’re equally as quiet and empty as Shibuya, showing how the terror of Shibuya has caused everyone to hide as things got worse with that scene of the two women getting eaten by a curse in a sort of jump scare moment showing that even then when they hide in buildings, they’re not safe anymore.
You discount the part where Mahito killed at least 1000 people.@@wizardwolf1020
That kind of realism in JJK got me hooked. Not too much, but also not too few.
@@wizardwolf1020The way you say it makes me think that MHA tried to mix the light vibe with dark vibe but failed and went full family friendly.
JJK however, succeeded. We saw some gags in earlier arcs but at some point there are serious moments. It's well placed.
@@charles_teak MHA started off with some very nice ideas. It had a dystopian world and All Might, the hero society, even UA, were not meant to be looked up towards. It had this light tone vibe but it did not shy away from showing how these kids were essentially in-training child soldiers who would grow up to be sent into an industry that favored media attention and marketability.
And then Hori (or Editor-san) decided to hard shift the series into full pandering mode and turn everything into a fan wank.
Another key factor when analyzing Shibuya is taking into consideration how many of the villains were killed off compared to the heroes.
Overall, I view the Shibuya arc as a win for the villains, but only slightly. When you consider that the bad guys lost Mahito, Jogo, Hanami, Dagon, Haruta, Choso (switched sides) and, to an extent, Toji, it really makes the deaths of Nanami, Nobara, Naobito, Todo (in terms of his CT), and the capture of Gojo feel earned.
This was a true war arc in which sacrifices had to be made for the heroes to prevail, and they still couldn’t take out Kenjaku, Urarame, and Sukuna.
least daddy todo was spared. Handless better than headless. Also Inumaki lost both his arms due to sukuna v jogo fight
On top of that, at least 50,000 civilians were killed and the story treats it like a HUGE deal
@@salamanderhillbillyweasel1629no it was sukuna versus mahoraga because sukuna cast his domain and it reached inumakis arm
@@crunchybutttero7283 rip my bad its badly explained in the anime
I mean mahito was absorbed so his power is conserved isnt it?
I'm really surprised MHA never had one of Class A die, especially in this arc. Like the cast is so massive it can afford to lose one or at the very least have one suffer a major scar/long-lasting injury. The story wants to do a 'now things have gotten more dire than ever' moment but never commits to hit by applying it to our protagonists.
Kill off Mineta, cause I hate that fucking toilet seat of a man
yeah. even just some random. just enough to show this isn't some joke. hell. why not have one or die during the USJ or even camp. to show, this is no simple hero show.
hell. they kept saying izuku would lose the use of his arms if he kept breaking it. why not have him lose one of his arms during the war arc.
Because the publisher is a greedy coward. Think about how much money just one of those characters is worth in merchandising. Bakugou dying in a way that leaves his arc unresolved would be an emotional gutpunch if done right.
@@bobaorc7839 I guess, but other series have gotten away with selling merch for characters that have had stuff happen to them so I don't think it's an excuse e.g. Re:Zero and Rem being probably the most merchandised character despite what ended up happening to her.
@@bobaorc7839Idk man, if one of my fav characters died I'd buy as much merch/stuff related to them *just because* I _miss_ them.
JJK actually had teeth. Yes, both war arcs end with serious social ramifications as the general population deals with the aftermath of the villains "winning", but in MHA, the heroes can rally together because almost nobody died; in JJK, it's a struggle to get back up and find a shoulder to lean on, because so many great sorcerers either die, are sealed, permanently injured, unjustly prosecuted, or bounced altogether.
In MHA Midnight and some other no name heroes die, Eraser Head loses a leg, many heroes are notably injured, several quit, etc.
In JJK it’s notably worse in its aftermath but both were still really bad
Though What happened in Shi
@@MrMagnetron2I’m still mad that the reaction to midnight dying only had a panel and torino somehow lives being gutted like a fish despite being a fossil
@@MrMagnetron2 Believe me, I was super sad when Midnight died, but call me edgy, but I think this super bloody war did not go far enough. Yes, heroes got maimed, but they return to the fight right afterwards; and most of the heroes that died were no names that we didn't really bond with aside from Midnight.
Meanwhile, Gran Torino got pierced through by Shiggy and survived even though it would have been perfection to see him pass away and give the cape to Midoriya, starting his descent into the Dark Hero Deku. But nope, he's a-OK. And don't get me started on Bakugo and his death scares.
JJK had death scares too, yes, but at least Gege was not afraid to gamble on losing beloved characters like Nobara and Nanami to make sure that the war felt threatening.
@3slicessenpai Nope. That's not edgy at all, thats reasonable.
Just after the strongest is sealed, which really heightens Gojo's presence in jujutsu and how even his presence missing in this whole event managed to lead to so many casualties, and how many people devoted themselves to releasing the strongest, being the trump card of the sorcerers, which in the current manga chapters sadly makes Gojo's whole being more than a weapon or another entity than a human like the others, viewing his role as the strongest as something inhuman, incomprehensible, substantial and even "monstrous"... Just for Bakugo to casually come back even after getting pierced... *Sigh*
Something that I found interesting about JJk is how they treat the character Jogo. I had a realization during the arc that we had really only seen him fight Gojo and with the difference in power he ended up being a bit of a joke. We did not take him as seriously. So when he appeared to the other sorcerers and just obliterated them, it was a reminder of how powerful and dangerous he actually was. It was also another reminder of how much the sorcerers need Gojo. That arc was so good and after reading the manga I was so so excited about seeing it all in action and finally animated. I do not have those same feelings about MHA
Same as in manga right now Sukuna didn’t come out that much but ppl think he can easy take down by a few cast, like WHAT? the king of curse live for 1000yr only to take down so easy by a few cast in a few chapter??😂
Jogoat literally was born strong because of Gojo
Even that showed nothing to me tbh because they were all already beaten up by another special grade curse and were caught off guard. Now I'm not saying they'd have stood a chance regardless but that particular scene doesn't really sell his strength to me either
@@inkkimiloSukuna actually lives up to his name so yeah
@@nnightkingjbro what? Jogoat will speedblitzed those f*ckers
I didn't realize the mha arc did bad for me it was awesome until after the battle it slows down way to much and the big fight between deku and shigaraki was way to brief
thats fine i think the main point is mha's war can be more forgettable due to lack of tension or impact
Except for Midnight death no important character has suffered any type of permanent injury. Every student who doesn't even have half a year of experience survived Gigantomachia.
No one in MHA suffered any direct impact of this huge war.
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Hawks had his wings burned by Dabi and got a scar, Gran Torino was donuted and put into the hospital, Bakugo was skewered and we see scars from that in the bath scene, Mirko lost a leg, and Aizawa lost a leg and an eye.
@@ayush9202 besides midnight's death and eraser head and mirio losing body parts and the deaths of villains who were victims of society. And hawks suffered greatly physically and internally. Losing his wings. There was definitely impact from the war.
I do wish there was a few more deaths in it. But the character growth in the characters makes it up for me. I'll take that over the random pointless deaths that get much worse in jjk.
@@jasonjones3328 i said any permanent and significant effects of war.
Hawks wings grew back to full, and Mirko and Bakugo ware back to full health after less than 1 month. Aizawa never lost eyes he was using it against shigarakai in current arc.
And Gran tarino should have been dead. He was more seriously injured Midnight but for some reason author killed Midnight but not Gran Tarino
Something about Shibuya is every major moment can be built up by a question. What is Toji going to do with his return? He shows in Dagon’s domain. Where is the Kyoto High cast? Todo shows up to help fight Mahito. The big moments come as a result of payoff of the questions readers may ask
Toji killed him self like 1 episode later
@@grayve2122With the implication that he has no more purpose to stay alive because his pleas with Gojo did go through years ago.
It was a brief ass-whooping, but it was a good brief ass-whooping.
@@grayve2122did you not watch the episode??
@@Sergio-wm5du i did man what do you mean?
Sadly i see hot takes online where people said its overhyped and they dropped it early cause they didnt answer questions fast enough aka they couldnt wait one episode to get their questions answered like you said and got angry. Also they think fighting doesnt tell a story when it does. Its too subtle even when its not.
Midnight's death hit me harder cuz I read the Vigilantes spin-off prequel manga. Her and Eraser Head play a huge part in that.
I still need to read that! I've heard nothing but good things.
One of the things I love about Hunter x Hunter, is how real the stakes are. Thing is, the stakes are not society breaking, world ending ones (save for one in particular, but that one comes in the later part of HxH). The stakes are proving one self, facing your demons, being able to grow as a character, and the fun part is, characters actually fail constantly, making it feel so damn powerful when they do fail, and so damn satisfying when they prevail.
I really liked MHA, but if you are going to have a "war" and can't kill anyone, then just, don't have one. people die in wars, those are the stakes. If you cant come through that, or can't shift the focus to how war affects people and have the stakes be how characters are affected by what they are forced to do (like what they did with Endevor), then why have one in the first place.
I understand that MHA is not a dark show, but if it's not, why go to dark places if you can't actually go through. You don't need to kill the cast, but if there are no real stakes in anything they do, whats the point.
Never felt like there were any stakes in HxH except in the chimera ant arc
One great part of HxH is when Gon and Killua try to get put on the Chimera Ant mission in NGL. Knuckle and Shoot say its too dangerous for them, but will allow it if they can beat them.
You expect the duo to figure something out or use teamwork to win in a typical shonen way, but they actually lose. And both of them really beat themselves up about it afterwards. There's a lot of stake in it since Gon is still worried for Kite, and doesn't even know he's dead yet.
I love that HxH isnt obsessed with making their protagonist the strongest in the verse, they are just a piece in a bigger world.
@@6pathuser344 Bro slept through the series lmfao
For me it’s the fact midnight died but it’s like no one in the mha universe cared, no flashbacks to relieve the time she was alive from her coworkers or maybe her family or even a funeral, nada.
@@6pathuser344York new and greed island both felt like they had stakes to me.
Heck so did the hunter exam itself
I found this interesting, many people in the war arc do DIE, and are SHOWN. There are a lot of impactful moments in the manga that when released people were scared. However, I think the problem is that the anime adaptation is at fault. The composition was cheerful, the art direction was awful. The animation was EXTREMELY LACKLUSTER. It got hit with the backfire of COVID on the industry. Jujutsu Kaisen's adaptation was the opposite, while yes killing off main characters can be impactful, it can also just be a little TOO MUCH, when every single character turns out to just be a plot device so that itadori can become a little more angry, It starts to dullen the impact of a main side character depth. However, the staff of JJK were EXTREMELY PASSIONATE about the series, in the anime they added SO MANY NEW SCENES that showed the destruction of the city, the danger of curses ect. ect. Honestly i think that both jjk are on opposite sides of the spectrum, neither one better than the other. TLDR: the staff at bones fumbled where the INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE at jjk didn't (FUCK MAPPA)
I disagree with your point on the jjk part considering that he was only mad about junpeis and nanamis death which were both pretty far apart in terms of time. And then there was kugusakis death and the deaths of many of shibuya just broke him. If you think the side characters’ only purpose is the make Yuji more powerful, then you just don’t understand the characters
@@subzero8520 I think you are right, I did not mean that the ONLY point of side characters were to make him more "Powerful". I just think there is less impact in deaths when it happens so often. For example, he mentions fakeout deaths, when kugusaki gets her face blown off and they straight up say next episode "SHE MIGHT LIVE"? Is that not kinda a fakeout death, not like i have any problem with it. I just want to point out the fact that it shouldnt BE a problem. "manga spoilers"
Choso just got stabbed through his chest by both hands. JJK fans did not really react in a shocked way. This death isnt going to have a huge impact. And if he doesnt die, well, we can easily compare it to the "huge sin" of bakugo getting impaled being a fakeout death. My point is both series is good, trying to find a complex reason why mha war arc wasnt very impactful is useless. The fact is, bones did not care nor try as hard as the jjk staff team did. They fumbled.
@@lazreyeswdym didnt react. people are sobbing rn.
i think youre missing the point. in a war you expect people to die, after the shock, we expect it. it still fuckinf hurts. but thats life.
lets be realistic. yuji should be dead and i hope he dies. SORRY! he shoukd be with nobara and megumi, if they dont come back.
@@jojobod Yeah, sure, man. Like the fakeout when choso pierced itadori's liver and chopped his shoulder down. My point is fakeout deaths are fine, they aren't something to get upset about. The thing we should really never compare is how good each series "is" because how good something is, is relative.
@@lazreyes The problem with fakeout deaths with MHA is that it overuses it. To the point where people are starting to just get pissed off. And, I don't think you realize that Itadori did almost die. A better example of a fakeout would be earlier in the series when Itadori did actually die, but Sukuna kept him alive. This wasn't that bad, since JJK doesn't overuse it. But, for MHA... It is a different story. The amount of fakeouts for Bakugo's death have been absolutely insane, and leaves me dissapointed.
I'd argue that the War arc and the Shibuya are, are two fundamentally different points in their respective stories. The former marks the finale and the latter a major lasting change in the status quo.
Exactly, if anything Shibyua is more like Mha’s Forest Training/Hideout Raid Arc. I would argue Mha did it far better than JJK too
@@Chris-rj4bt in either case it'd probably be more accurate to compare the current ongoing arc in JK to the War arc. Which wouldn't be fair as the former is not finished.
@@Chris-rj4bt I was looking for someone saying exactly this in the comments. I really think Shibuya should be compared to the Kamino incident rather than the War Arc, and Horikoshi handled All Might's situation way better than Gege handled Gojo's
@@maxche1285 Yeah that arc is far better than Shibyua imo with way better emotional peaks. The lasting impact of the arc on the world is far better than what is done with JJK on the manga imo
@@vincegalila7211 Even then I think Mha is trying to do more with its characters and world than what JJK is doing currently. But the current JJK arc has been way more fun than the Mha war arc
MHA and JJK are so different though. Shibuya arc is more like the Kamino for JJK. It sets the ground from the upcoming act, while the War Arc is more of a central Act introduction. Not going to spoil, but this becomes very evident when you read ahead in both series. The Shibuya arc sets ground work for Yuuji to grow while ridding of so many characters to ease the writing, almost like an Origin story. MHA focuses more on the message and how to define each individual conflict for a final showdown.
The series are so different to compare and I enjoy them both differently.
So true ❤ I really like both in their own ways so I was surprised to learn that people are making comparison (sometimes to trash one series or the other).
But if we have to, I do like the comparison to Kamino, it's kinda more fitting.
An actual intelligent comment
Yeah comparing JJK to MHA is a crazy comparison, they’re really different shows, and you can’t really compare Shibuya’s gruesome arc to the war arc since the character deaths are not gonna be as gruesome
Still
Spolier alert
Katsuki’s death was horrible, his heart got blown out and he got his arm absolutely destroyed
They're both Shonen but that's where the similarities end as both shows have completely different central themes and philosophies as shown through both arcs as MHA is about the breaking point of hero society and all the filth that was being hidden by that society as said by Shigaraki as it questions the ideals and morality of heroes with it's aftermath.
you such an og pal
That's also what JJK is about. It's about the breakdown of artificial societal standards. Cursed energy literally rots society as it leaks out of humans, and the strongest sorcerers all collectively either hate or aren't accepted by Jujutsu Society. Jujutsu High has collapsed, all the Big Three are falling apart, etc.
And this is all shown with Gojo. He was the pillarv of society, and we're seeing the results of him being removed. Rather, he was a damn holding back a flood, and the pressure has built up too much.
@@muntu1221 then this is worst than i thought ,you're calling jjk pale enhanced copy of mha For adhd people (since mha is older and the buildup is fast) please don't compare the two you might get hurt
@@LovElieLovElie Yeah, no. Stories being similar doesn't mean the older one is better. Also, "copy" implies they have the same story when I'm talking about themes.
Don't try to go blow for blow about writing with me, or _you_ might get hurt.
@@muntu1221i dont think jjk is about how societal issues i mean it has bit of that but idk thats the main thing. I mean cured spirts cant even interact with most of the population and most of the population dont know about cursed spirts to decisions amoung them is non existence. The story is about cursed spirts and jujutsu sorcerers. And they exist outside society really they kind of do there own thing.
Everyone seems to be forgetting about Twice’s death, wasn’t that like actually emotional and feeling bad for villain etc.
Lmao he's not gonna point out anything positive let him fit his petty narrative. But twice was more relevant than anyone who died in shitbuya 💀
Who the hell cares about Twice that serial killer had it coming.
@@DromusTH well u clearly don't care, and that's fine, but your missing some very key themes in MHA then. That's a very black and white view point, when the world is more gray than simply good and bad.
Something important to consider in this show. If you didn't understand that after watching 6 seasons of the show.
1. Pay more attention to the story
2. Improve on your literary understanding on themes.
If you just want a fist fight and shouting with heat moments thats understandable too and im glad you found your piece of media.
To each their own.
tl;dr : just read what i wrote, it'll prove my point if u read this first.
@@Nonooka In your dreams maybe, Nanami is a million times more relevant than that ridiculous villain
He mentions in the video that Twice's death is the most impactful death of the war arc because we got to know him well in My Villain Academia. It's the heroes' deaths he has a problem with because we barely get to know Crust and Midnignt.
two different types of manga. My hero is all about hope while JJK is all about despair.
Then maybe MHA shouldn't do a war arc then...??
@@yohobinyea maybe they shouldn’t
@@yohobin ???, they can do a war arc, it’s just going to have a difference in implications.
Gege likes to kill off many characters before they culminate in any sort of arc, leaving just potential.
I didn’t feel anything when Nobara died, or mechamaru, or mostly anyone except for Nanami, because he actually had something we saw in the prior season that made his death impactful.
@@yohobin I don’t think you get what I’m saying. You can clearly still have conflicts within a story. While MHA is about hope it also shows the flaws of the hero society the ones that fall through the cracks that end up being a villain. The only thing that both war arcs have in common is that it happens after the strongest in their world leave the playin field.
I mean they can both do a war Arc, but their main goal would just be different.
JJK would go the route of “the world is a cruel place, nothing you love with stay, that’s that and this is this.”
While mha is going with “despite war is cruel and we lost many people, there is still hope in different places”
Though I understand the complaint of feeling a lack of stakes due to lack of death. Story wise the stakes are there. In every other arc the hero’s never lost and faith in the hero’s was there. However this also held up the complicated and flawed hero system. However this arc though the hero’s got the jump on the villains there plan completely failed and they lost. Endeavor was exposed the hero system crumbled as some gave up and the people lost faith. The city was completely chaotic. Story wise we’ve never seen the lack of faith in the hero’s like this. The villains completely exposed the flawed system. Plus this wasn’t technically the “war arc” but a failed mission. The war arc is what’s happening in the manga and this failed mission set up the stakes for how dangerous the villains truly are. Also the fact of the matter is mha is just a more light hearted show. Story wise the arc works however I can understand not feeling it as much cuz the show is more light hearted.
I do kinda agree, but also some of the liberation war arc felt kinda meaningless. There were lots of great moments like hawks and twice, but theres also moments that just cheapen the entire arc (like when bakugo "dies" but the next episode we find out he didnt) and shigaraki was suddenly 10000000 times more powerful
@@BenBeClownin Idk why everyone assumes Bakugo taking the hit for Deku as him dying. I never thought that for a second. Did y'all think Endeavor getting stabbed also killed him? It does come down to interpretation, but it also gets disproven very quickly, so what's the reason to be upset by that?
And what's this about Shigaraki "suddenly" getting 10000000 times more powerful? He was clearly shown to be getting upgraded while in the pod. The Doctor outlines VERY CLEARLY he will be much stronger after that operation at the end of MVA too. There's nothing sudden about it.
I mean, the war in Season 6 is literally called the "Paranormal Liberation WAR Arc". So like, pretty sure they both count as War Arcs.
Otherwise I think you make a good point, especially with MHA being more light-hearted. I'd argue it should've gotten a bit darker after Season 5 but that didn't really happen.
Personally, I think both the War Arc and the Shibuya Incident Arc accomplished what they were intended to do. In MHA, the War Arc was the breaking point in society, and it effectively set in motion and laid the building blocks for the Second War Arc which is my favorite arc by far. It's wrapping up every loose end and bringing some awesome fights and turns. I think Shibuya was also amazing, but it went about it a different way. Curses aren't known to the entire world like Quirks are so you can't really compare the 2's climaxes like this. While I agree that Shibuya did do somethings better, I think that the War Arc did one thing better that was pretty important, and it was not killing significant characters off for what felt like no reason. I remember when Nobara died, I though, "That was pretty unnecessary." I've always had a problem with JJK killing characters constantly, most recently with Gojo, Kashimo, Choso, and Higurama. Both were incredible arcs and laid down many questions for how the story would progress and what will the protagonists do with the villains in a beneficial position though and I love both series a lot.
Choso isnt dead
@@Noritoshichoso no idea whether or not he died in that chapter but I just assumed he died
@@michaelplushproductions4654 nope he isnt dead you probably only see the panel and skips the dialoges
@@Noritoshichoso ?? The official Shonen translation says "Wanna race, you brat?", followed by Choso saying, "He disappeared!" then being impaled. The text doesn't tell you anything, it's left to the reader's assumption
@@michaelplushproductions4654 probably you are talking prevoius chapter read chapter 247
I want to add here because im also an animator in training so i like to analyze stories and see what i can apply to my future work as wel. I think the problem MHA war Arc that i do agree is how certain characters purpose in the story is not truely define like how JJK treats their characters. In Shibuya, When characters start getting killed one by one its not just for shock value or just "Throwing away some characters to be safe emotionally on the audience", Gege picks the characters with character arcs that are halted like Nanami or Characters with no true future goal but still is a deeply meaningful person to the main character and the Audience like Nobara. It spares no one but at the same time gives characters their end and give meaning to their ends, showing that there is consequences to the actions of these characters. In MHA war arc everyone that dies wasn't properly build up, and the ones would would make sense to leave the story doesn't. Even if u dont want to kill them it would make sense to put some of these heroes out of commission so that when the Vigilante arc happens, it does feel like the heroes give up. All in All, both are pretty good but i do feel like Shibuya has been well written compared to MHA war arc. Thank u for reading if u do manage to get to this point :3
Nobara does have a future goal, to meet with fumi and saori together... 😢😢
Yeah, none of the heroes in the war got out out of commission except for Aizawa and Hran Torino. Then there was Hawks who was permanently crippled.
@@mangamandrew Hahahaa i think i detect ure sarcasm but it does actually remind me, I actually realised they made a point to say that a lot of the heroes quit during the arc. I actually didn’t realise that fact because it was more towards the side characters that are actual heroes. Most of the teacher stayed, all students we know are still actively trying to be heroes and the pro heroes like Hawks, Endeavor and best jeanist are still fighting crime. However there we’re actually a lot of heroes who died or quit, I personally just dont feel the impact of them quitting
@@ahmadfarishbinfaisalhamdi1548 Well to be fair, we did have one well known hero that quit, Death Arms. And that felt impactful to me because while he was a minor character, we saw that he actually cared about helping people and being a hero and him leavening showed the strain society was on.
And while we have all the characters we know still fighting, we see that they still had trouble dealing with the villains. The fact that the heroes were unable to round up all the escaped vilians was proof for why we need so many heroes in the first place.
Killing Nobara is literally for shock value
Im gonna be 100% I feel people who have read and or watched MHA and got to the "war" arc really understand what it was meant to do. I dont even consider it a war arc it feels more like a raid like how it was with overhaul.
I do think it couldve been more darker with more heros losing their life, however it did perfectly because it showed just how much the hero society was crumbling... With some heroes beinf exposed tfor who they truly are like Endeavor (who got exposed to the whole world), then we have heroes who lost their lives (crust, midnight, and probably others but most probablt were offsceeen), then we get to see effects of the raid like how literally 90% of Heroes of Japan retired/quit because they couldnt handle the villians no more (because their not powerful enough to do so, and becuase they dont want to), or how many heroes were injured beyond repair with, Deku basically in a coma, bakugou bleeding out, endeavor was badly hurt, and gran torino all in the hosptial, and mirko now losing her arm and leg, then we have the decline in trust of the heroes by the public (as development of it was shown in season 7 or vigilante dekus story arc).
The pure difference between both of these Arcs is that Jjk technically had the Heroes still win, though with a cost of many lives, and then MHA basically has the villians win with a lot more costs like the almost all hero giving up, some heroes losing their lives, the repuation of the hero society declining, Im sorry as much as i enjoyed the shibuya arc the MHA war/shigaraki war arc was better and it by no means failed.
Heros did not win in jjk. They were not able to save gojo and everything went according to getos plan.
@@tastylynx
Yeah, idk what version of JJK this person saw. But like- Gojo stayed sealed. Nanami who was a top 5 sorcerer was killed. Thousands of curses were released. Thousands of curse users were created. And Kenjaku/Geto, the mastermind of the whole thing, escaped unharmed and with Mahito's power absorbed into his.
Not to mention millions lost their lives and both the mayor and prime minister of Japan are missing. Plus the Japanese economy is crashing.
On all accounts the heroes lost in JJK. They were beaten outright and Geto is now basically opposition free if you don't count Sukuna and possibly Yuta.
I don't think I've ever seen heroes lose so badly. Their only victory was getting rid of Jogo before Geto absorbed him too. And even that was a side objective for Geto. Also, Sukuna, who's a villain with his own agenda killed Jogo. So it technically wasn't even the heroes who did it.
El que salio de la alcantarilla:
What Jjk you were reading buddy? Heroes did NOT won 😂
I find it funny how Gege and Horikoshi are actually friends, maybe they shoud learn from each other...
Kishinoto and oda are also friends but they also never learn from each other to make their works better.
They do this for fun, not to please a bunch of virgin aholes.
To quote stan lee:
"If you want to tell a story tell it to please yourself. Not to please others"
blud stop yapping ong 🗣🔥💯@@motor4X4kombat
Funny, this video implies the latter should learn from the former
@@motor4X4kombat Calm down bro. No one's getting offended here but you. As consumers were allowed to criticize their product. That doesn't make us "Virgin aholes"
@@motor4X4kombat Kisimoto and Oda Did Learn and Help Each Other. Kisimoto Helped Oda With Doffy When Oda Was sick. Oda even asked Kisimoto if he could borrow some things for Choji and use it for Luffy. More Specifically Pre Timeskip Luffy Like at Enies Lobby and MarineFord. And Armament Haki was inspired by Frog Kata Another Naruto Ability.
I think Horikoshi was not prepared for how loved (And demanded) MHA would get when the manga was published and perhaps as well due to the nature of the manga industry, that if a story kicks off well that means it will most likely be forced to last as long as possible for the money to keep raining in, besides that Horikoshi simply had good concepts and ideas but lacks the corage to, as you said, take risks, have consequences, we're still stuck at Deku's monologue introduction and it is ironic that the very firsts episodes foretold the story's main and greatest flaw with Allmight's hair method, the story still sells but that's that.
Meanwhile Gege has had a clear idea and image of his story since practically the beginning, He doesn't care what the fans of the story think about him, (The good, the bad and the horrendous) he doesn't care he has basically traumatized an entire audience Berserk style, he is here to tell the tragedy of a broken system that perpetuates a neverending cycle of death, destruction and despair, it's victims and the flawed, self-destructive mentality of selflessness at the cost of the individual and how those most selfish actually succeed in life, he sticks to his guns and to top it all of he does it in a way that WORKS, the story is edgy done right, you love the villians, you love the heroes, you love to hate certain characters and the story pulls the rug under your feet not in a half-assed way but one that impacts the story, impacts THE AUDIENCE, he himself has stated to (understandably) HATE Gojo, the most popular character of the story and he doesn't pull a 'Kill Neji bc I don't like him and I want him out, story be damned' like in Naruto, no, he bids his time, he develops the character, takes him out of the way when necessary, pulls him back AND THEN he kills him off, is he too brutal? I think so sometimes but what I respect the most in a story is the commitment to the bit, wether be comedy, drama or tragedy, Gege is the one calling the shots here and no amount of tears and death threats are going to stop him from breaking us apart mentally and emotionally and my masochistic ass is gonna enjoy (And cry) every second of it.
What flaw are you referring to by “the very first episodes foretold the story’s [MHA’s] main and greatest flaw”?
(Not a rhetorical question, I’m genuinely confused)
Very few things beat an artist who is confident in his vision
I disagree about Gege having everything planned out since the beginning. Culling Games was clearly rushed in certain parts, especially towards the end, and don't even get me started on the current arc. It started out great and then just turned into a huge mess. Reading it while reliving Shibuya through the anime was like seeing two different series, writing quality wise.
Funnily enough, one of JJK's themes is self-actualization and being true to yourself (possibly even selfish).
Gege follows that theme to a tee with his writing.
This entire comment gotta be cap
You're mostly right, until you read the manga of jjk and realise that Gege just loves Sukuna way too much, he's basically the main character with how much the plot bends to his will.
Way better than having the plot favor the heroes every time tbh, adds to the tension
Jesus gojo fanboys are so salty, gojo had to lose for the plot, it's not the story bending to sukunas will it's just basic story telling, if gojo beat sukuna jjk ends nothing else, gojo can kill kenjacku with ease and no character arcs get solved, and yuji does nothing kashimo yuta and every other character does nothing. It would be bad writing to let gojo win he had to lose for the plot to continue.
@@thefarmer6541 Actual insanity ehat you just wrote, if Gojo has to lose because of the plot then that just means that it is bad writing. Gojo not immediately killing Uraume, Kenjaku and Sukuna when he escaped from the prison realm is bad writing.
You can't say that Gojo has to lose because of the plot and then proceed to say that it would be bad writing to let him win, you're advocating for lazy writing and stupid decisions.
its not even that bruh gege pulled a madara with sukuna thats gonna backfire on him pretty hard@@thefarmer6541
Because Sukuna is literally the last big bad of the series. Literally everybody of any threat level is dead at this point.
honestly I feel like a lot of the problems in the MHA arc could be fixed with a single mention of a time skip at the very least, a lot of things would make way more sense like how it could be construded how deku is able to use 100% after like 2 more years of training as a 3rd year in highschool and how he's able to use all his new quirks at a high level of proficiency. Also it would just make more sense how the other students are able to even contribute a little bit into the bigger battles with afo and shiggy instead of some random 1st years being able to hold their own against the strongest villian in existence. I'm so mad that horikoshi kept it like this when a time skip would've made so much sense. Of course that doesn't address a lot of other problems and a time skip has its own problems too, but it still would've been so much better than what trainwreck we have now. Not only in the war arc but for deku's whole dark hero arc would make more sense in terms of the time of events, cuz how do all these things happen in the matter of one school year????
I don’t remember the MHA timeline too well but are you saying that everything we’ve seen in MHA has taken place over only 1 year?!
Yep, all students we've been following I'm pretty sure are still only first years@@TairiqueTuray
@@TairiqueTurayClass 1-A hasnt even graduated yet 😭 so it's all within a year
@@munirahahmad oh wow that’s ridiculous 💀 that’s straight up nonsensical 🤣 thanks for letting me know
before the war, in the manga I think (if I remember right) they mention that they are already in second year of school. It's not much but is something.
To say nothing changes when the entire country has a shift in perspective and trust in heroes after they lose is crazy. Not only were there people having to fight alone against villains but there was lawless sections that allowed for people to get away with things. The arc isn’t about the class and focusing on that as the main point when MHA hasn’t necessarily always been fully focused on 1-A as a whole seems like a misunderstanding on what the point really was. Another example of this is when this guy mentions the festival arc. While Jiro was important to the show, the main characters were Gentle, La Brava, and Deku. It’s an arc about different forms of heroism.
Thank you, I couldn't have said better. It feels like the author of the video either missed the point of the arc, the stakes at play or he is simply being disingenuous. A pretty pointless comparison in the end.
@@roleoahotondji54please tell me the point of MHA's current arc because barely anything worthwhile is happening
@@angstyteen6042 the simple fact you're not even talking about the arc being talked about here, is enough to say you're disingenuous. I'm not gonna explain to you something so basic to understand.
@@roleoahotondji54 bruh, their both still war arcs but ok. What's the point of the first war.
@@angstyteen6042 Dude, I already told you, I've nothing to explain to you. You have already your biased opinions, I won't be arguing with you.
I can’t agree about the war arc being forgettable. There are moments I will never forget same with the Shibuya arc. For example: Shigaraki decaying an entire city, Kirishima being clutch as usual, Kaminari saving a squad of heroes with his quirk, Aizawa cutting of his leg, Endeavor showing how much of a beast he is fighting solo against Shigaraki without getting touched once physically and etc- deaths? Not so much. Tbh if I didn’t have manga spoilers I wouldn’t have realized Midnight died.
If they don't have top tier demon slayer animation then they are not memorable....
I already forgot everything that happened in the War Arc lol
Yea I agree with u except midnights death did make me sad not for the right reasons. not cause I liked her so much but cause she was under utilized til her final moments
The kirishima and kaminari part were very much forgettable, especially midnight. the rest though I agree
@@jeffali5157 To each their own. Not sure how they’re forgettable moments though, they’re the culmination of story beats of those characters and explicitly moments where they get to shine. Can’t really forget Mina almost getting turned into ground beef and Kirishima not only saving her but throwing the sedative before himself getting smashed into the ground. The heroes leading the charge also all would have been fried if not for Kaminari rushing to the front to act as a lightning rod. Just cause it ain’t the MC and his bffs don’t mean it ain’t hype. I’d honestly have to argue that if that’s forgettable then yall don’t be watching anime fr and forget a lot of shit.
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"Gojo cannot die in a war arc"
Jujutsu Kaisen. Chapter 236.
September 24, 2023. Pages 13 and 14.
SPOILERS YOU INCONSIDERATE MANGA READER
I think you just don't get that MHA isn't meant to be nearly as mature and violent as other shonen happening rn. It's meant to be like older, longer shonen where characters don't really die, but it's fun to watch them. The fact that a character as important as Twice was killed surprised me; I didn't think they were gonna kill anyone. Even Midnight was surprising cause she consistently shows up and is enjoyable to watch. Also if we're talking about "nothing happened", multiple characters were permanently disabled from that fight. Miruko lost two limbs, Aizawa lost his leg and potentially his eye, Gran Torino is effectively retired, Mirio is back, etc. Also All for One and basically every major villain was freed, as well as Shigaraki escaping. There's a BUNCH of other stuff too, but I won't bore you. I jus think your expectations of the show weren't really what the show was about. It was potentially the darkest tone so far in the story. The heroes lost, and BAD. JJK is a much darker, grittier anime, it's meant for that kind of stuff. You wouldn't expect a character in MHA to get their head blown off, even off-screen.
I disagree with mha not being mature and dark, we also see allmight blow afo's head off.
I don't think I agree, mha is indeed mature and violent, but it's not depressing
Midnight was like the lesst relevant hero in the series. Why is she even a hero? Many of the students could win in a fight against her easily.
“Main characters and fan favorites have a lot of plot armor”
“Gojo can’t die”
Chapter 236:
season 6 of mha was a blast for me... i couldn't care less about character not dying!
NPC
@@liocubing6337You calling others an npc is the most npc thing to do
This is Fax
I wish they let midnight live tho rip
But we got season 7 coming And MHA will be on top yet again
Not dying is another thing. But atleast 1 important character should have suffered any direct impact of this big war.
Literally no one had any direct effects of fighting Shigarakai and Gigantomachia and other villians. Everyone was safe and chilling the next day.
because its not the final war bro, it was just preliminary, the final war obviously will kill off people@@ayush9202
1:46 well that had aged like milk
Emphasis on "at this point in the story"
Damn I can’t remember anything from the war arc of my hero. I didn’t even remember that midnight died I was so surprised to relearn it in your video.
Yeah same
It must be real annoying for you that half the comments below just didn’t watch the video, huh Ent?
😞
Fr none of them have an attention span
It's mostly angry mha fans
@@mvjaganmohanreddy Where are these mad MHA fans, I'm scrolling through the comments. I don't see any.
So people complain about mha of how no one dies, and people complain about jjk about too many people dying. Got it
But most of the deaths were after Shibuya incident
It’s less complaining about too many dying and more the gojo simps having a straight up stroke cuz he became go/jo
-also cuz losing everyone in the cast but like 4 people is devastating-
I think it's because there's a sort of a balance between killing off no one and killing off several characters. If no characters are killed, then the story doesn't really have high stakes. However, if too many characters are killed off, the author risks having the audience decrease their investment in the story (if any character at any time can be killed off, what's the point in being invested in what's going to happen to them?). Since both extremes are bad (if you're aiming for high stakes), you have to find a balance between killing too few characters and having your audience not take it seriously, and killing too many and making your audience apathetic.
Also something that doesn’t make sense is that people complain about
Spolier
Bakugo coming back from being dead, but those exact same people are the one who are begging for Gojo to come back 💀
So bring characters back or not?, plus same with Nobara
@@montserratmarroquin400 because nobody knew yuji will get so goated, everyone just came wanted gojo back since he was the only one with a realistic chance at beating sukuna if he came back again, the same for nobara with her CT that could affect him from afar
bakugo on the other hand is not that special, he's not essential against either AFO or shigaraki
Honestly I dropped my hero after Mirko had gone to the lab to try to prevent Shigaraki's awakening.
I know a shit ton of stuff happened since then but the few bits and pieces Ive seen make me not regret my decision. I think MHA was one of the pillars of the "hype" generation of new anime(like Fire Force, Black Clover etc), started off with a bang then couldnt keep it going in the long run. People were too quick to comapre them to the Big 3 and it showed that they were in fact not even on the same league. A shame, I want to have that hype again for MHA but right now nothing could make me go back, and your video just proves me that the downfall is indeed real
The key moment that really broke me in the Shibuya incident was the expression Yuji makes after seeing the obliterated city. His look of absolute horror, screaming about being a murderer, vomiting etc. We literally watch him have a mental breakdown as he finally comes to the reality that is Sukuna and what the king of curses is truly capable of.
MHA still has yet to absolutely rip my heart out like JJK did with that scene.
MHA just never killed anybody major so theres no tension thats bout it tbh
@@obarich fr I completely forgot Midnight died😭😭
It's funny how in their respective arcs so far sukuna and shigaraki have both pulled moves that turn the area around them to nothing but ash and its repeated in the manga couple of times difference is in shibuya we see civilians die, toge loses an arm and we see its consequences, the burden of sukuna killing those people with his domain lingers on yuji for up to the most recent chapters in the manga. But in mha shigaraki is always countered, the heroes we cared about avoid the decay, civilians were evacuated and in the mangas current arc everytime shigaraki has used decay its been negated
@@Cook1e2396 In MHA the heros were able to save some people but not very many in the scheme of things and it completely changed the tone of the story going forward. And while none of the major characters have been killed off their stories are still ongoing and we get to see the impact of the events on all of them.
Skill issue tbh, shigaraki's backstory alone was worse to read
In other words, One Anime held back while the other didn't. What is your opinion on the Anime Akame Ga Kill?
For me twice death was as impactful as nobora and nanami deaths but the teacher's death i felt the most nothing in the show . students were crying but i felt nothing and the purple lady was hyped by manga fans but i felt nothing from her maybe the adaptation wasn't perfect but overall i enjoyed the season 8/10.
The same way when Nobara died I felt NOTHING maybe I would've felt something if the author didn't kill her just for cheap shock value
@@avid4288 bro really emptied himself out so he wouldn't have to feel anything 💀💀💀💀💀💀
(no way you didn't feel anything if you watched s1)
@@the1whoplayz Only thing I felt was the sense of unnecessariness it was only to create fake "sTAkeS🤓" and many dudebro fell for it for the bait
@@avid4288 horikoshi and gege hate women IJBOL
@@the1whoplayzno way you actually cared about her💀
"Main characters and fan favorites will always have a lot of plot armor"
Gege: "nah, you good"
😂
What people fail to see is while yes, the stories both have different messages and tones, one actually has villainous traits and real world consequences. You can't just punch a hole through somebody, have a decaying ability, and not decay them immediately afterwards. This is exactly what JJK does that MHA doesn't
The paranormal liberation arc was absolutely fantastic... Literally the best the show has been since the Stain fight.
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The best the show has been is currently in the manga by far in terms of constant peaks
@@thezigzags440it’s true best season of the anime so far
Did midnigt dead? I totaly forget about her.
The war arc felt like a light scuffle while the shibuya incident was an actual war, with casualties, a couple people died in the mha “war” where in shibuya people weren’t people they were just collateral damage, no one was gonna save them.
Gigantomachia ran through like 20 cities and killed thousands, the heroes being powerless to save anyone or stop him.
@@confusedbakugo1373cant really do anything when a gojo level character decides to do whatever he wants
"A slight scuffle" and all of hero society is destroyed,machia rampaging and destroying cities and killing hundreds
But yh small scuffle
@@chideraumejiaku3895 Because none of the main characters seem to feel any real consequences in the arc. You can write all this explanation about how it supposedly impacted them. But if you don’t actually see it impact the main characters, aka the focus of the story, it doesn’t matter. This is a textbook example of “show don’t tell.” Or rather the lack thereof in MHA’s case.
@@helios2664 every character was negatively affected by the war, literally look at the state of everything after it happened
Death doesn't equal a good story
With Shigaraki’s power set and what he DID with them, what he did in the War Arc (y’know, leveling entire cities/ sections of cities instantly) should have been a mass civilian casualty event like Shibuya. But it’s always shown that the heroes somehow evacuated _everyone_ just in time, or the casualties are only lightly wounded people. Though, I think part of the problem is that MHA is marketed towards a slightly younger audience than JJK, and thus is a bit more afraid to show mass death even at the hands of villains. It’s similar I guess to the difference between Justice League (animated) and Invincible. I think it just comes down to a fundamental difference in how the shows are constructed and themed.
In MHA ,A hero just gave up being a hero bcs he got hopeless seeing the devastation caused by villains. He couldn't take it anymore that no matter how hard he try he can't save everyone.
@@Vor567tez Yes but even then, the death is only ever implied and not outright stated or shown. In JJK you _know_ and see people getting mulched.
@@Zarastro54 And? Is that supposed to be something. They r dead. That's permanent.
@@Vor567tez In terms of media depictions, yes. “Not save everyone” could mean anything from death to wounding or loss. It’s totally unclear how many people have died in the MHA War Arc whereas it’s very clear many hundreds have died in JJK. The fact that Shigaraki dusting an entire city didn’t outright have similar casualties to Shibuya shows what different audiences and messages they are going for.
@@Zarastro54 MHA did showed the causality and it's aftermath. I don't know why r you omiting that.
They gave confirmed deaths of many heroes and showed how they died and tragic response of kid heroes on seeing the lifeless body of their teachers.
Then a hero while rescuing in the remains giving up bcs of the devastation bcs there's no end. While Uraraka helplessly watches the hero lossing hope. The very thing that define her arc.
This is great indication of the severity.
If you r talking about civilian casualty that that's kinda weird bcs saying the characters you never saw, their death matters to you than those who were seen.
They r numbers. Fans don't even remember how many deaths happened anyways.
So something I realized while watching the video is that while you were talking about how MHA's War Arc is failing in tension, you didn't really bring up how the Shibuya Incident was better. You sort of crammed it all in the end once you were done ranting about the War Arc. Now, I'm not trying to insult you and I agree with your opinion to an extent; however, I feel like when doing comparison videos like this it's important to make sure you compare more scene and characters from both shows rather than just primarily focusing on one for most of the time.
9:29 it's funny that you say that because I did forget most of what happened in that arc
I just finished JJK's Shibuya incident arc. Man that was nuts. I was just shocked about Nanami and nobara. I liked how choso changed sides
its just that the villains in jjk felt like they did something impactful, mahito killing nanami, killing kugisaki, heavily injuring todo, breaking yuji physicly and mentaly.
while shigaraki, umm, almost killed a 60 year old? and caused eraser head to lose his leg, but nah both the 60 year old and eraser survive and are completly fine.
In retrospective, this is what happens when you send a ton of love letters cheering your favorite character like if it was a real person, to the guy who created such character and happens to be an actual person and also expects recognition but nah.
Gege really went full Game of Thrones just to put a vendetta over y'all, lmao.
JJK: Killing everyone
MHA: Everyone is inmortal
Literally thousands of people died in the P.L. War Arc what are you on about.
@@adambump5297 Yeah, name 3 important characters that died in the war arc
@@Roy-sr6gsHey don't go changing it you said everyone is immortal that said Midnight & Twice are really the only characters we spent enough time with to be considered important.
@@adambump5297 Oh no we lost two characters in a WAR ARC
You expect to lose more important people when the arc has "War' on its name, not 2 side characters (But Twice was kinda important for the manga so I'll let that slide)
@@Roy-sr6gsTwice Dr. compressor and midnight
You choose to pick what matters in the arc, by ignoring the important changes to say "nothing matter". And you end by saying this arc was forgettable. Funny how you pretty much boil downs everything to "kill characters". You're definitely biased.
keep coping
dude. Mha's War legit has anyone barely die in it, and somehow, killing characters because it's an actual war on both sides on JJK is "biased"??
I havented watched MHA so take this with a grain of salt, but from what i can see JJKs art sytle and colouring really help with the "Pivotal moment for the villains" look, the intros blacks and reds and shibuyas dark streets really help characters like Mahoraga, jogo, Sukuna, and just CE really stand out while also helping with the dark tone.
I wasn't really planning to comment on this as writing is often personal and depends on the person but i just want to say something as these are two favourites of mine. I like to believe MHA is a story about society and not necessarily the people themselves and JJK is the opposite. To explain what i mean i want to ask a question, what did Midnight's death mean or do? From my perspective, nothing but i think that's what MHA is good at. Midnight dying didn't change momo during the fight like most manga would but instead hori used midnight's last words before the signal was cut as a way to improve momo, the death was an unfortunate bi-product. Now i know nanami does something similar but i want to expand on that. I believe in nanami's case that his death hit yuji first and then the words which is the opposite of what MHA does. (I know this seems a bit of a bad explanation but hold on) i believe hori is a writer that takes hope and then meets it with tragedy and gege is the opposite, there are stakes in both series and a ton of people die in both but they are fundamentally different. MHA doesn't kill characters because for its story it just wouldn't do anything because look at All Might, All Might didn't have to die for society to weaken just his powers but then when we look at gojo the same can't fully be said as it wasn't only Gojo's power but also him himself being able to influence Jujutsu society so gojo unlike All Might had to be removed for some impact to happen. I know it is gojo's powers that allow him to be so influential but he doesn't need to does he? He can just choose to leave everything to the higher ups the same way All Might does but he doesn't. I know this probably seems all over the place but i just wanted to say a few things that maybe a few others could streamline. Btw I'm 17 so I'd also like to propose the idea that the feeling towards the different arcs could be connected to fan's ages and the amount of anime seen in their lives.
I see your point but the hollowness of MHA future arc’s it’s very true (SPOILER ALLERT!)
In this arc i felt no pressure or stakes cuz everyone kept not dying and the characters mostly didn’t changed (except basically Deku that went berserk); the few that died were so irrelevant or straight up unknown they had no impact, even if u say Hori if purposely not killing cuz it would be pointless then u have to show the consequences in other way, society in MHA changes so little and so slowly it basically don’t change at all. Te liberation army’s riot is so underwhelming it feel like a joke and the fact i know no students will ever die makes the events pointless, like i already know they are gonna succeed, and even if they don’t they wont die of face any consequences so every mission feel irrelevant.
The final war arc is basically the worst version of this one, it’s supposed to be this big showdown of every villain and every heroes (outnumbered 1 to 1789) with this clever plan to use portals end stuff and basically everyone gets their spotlight fighting some major villain, witch to me fells kinda funny since they’re kids and the real pro heroes are no where to be found; and the worst part is none of this matters, none, the only fight that actually maters is Deku vs Shigaraki cuz they are so higher in the power rank they can easily go 1 v all the other after they’re done with their fight.
I feel ridiculous that two students try to stop AFO and actually survive, like, the guy has offed every previous OFA user, matched fairly w All Might twice and has the dippers bag of the story.
JJK actually present you w consequences in the small and grand scheme, ppl actually die and I’m not talking about sm side characters no one cares about but relevant one you actually had time to know, big events happen even on a international level and it directly ties into the next arc. The heroes effectively lose, the lost Gojo and some of them died and immediately everything changes: culling game kicks off, Yuji is sentenced to death, many revelation happened so even in the knowledge aspect things changed (Kenji revelation, Choso brother link, back of the box location…)
It’s true that for some time no one major dies but than you get hit w Gojo’s death, Higaruma’s one, sukuna’s real form appearance, Geto’s apparent death and you feel the stakes; literally everyone can die and the world will inevitably change after this arc.
That’s why the two stories had different success, not necessarily the way the choose to portray stress and pressure but the fact MHA effectively lacks consequences, nothing actually matters while in JJK the events feel impactful. The fact ppl are numb about characters death is something personal not necessarily a narrative problem. - ofc this is just my opinion i hope no one felt offended in any way, I’m sorry for any eventual grammar error (not my first language) -
@@lorenzoaccristo8712 (i will be mentioning something that hasn't been animated yet i believe so you have been warned) i agree with you on some things besides the point about MHA's society. In the manga (i think the anime has even reached the point) society doesn't just fall, international support is cut, boarders are closed and heroes just up and leave. I get that it was fast but i wouldn't say nonexistent as the other seasons and hell even the movies give the viewers a sense of the importance of the international connections and relationships in that world. I believe the consequences of MHA aren't the lives of the characters but instead how the world can easily be broken which we do see. A certain American doesn't die because we were meant to care for them but instead to see that international help was really needed as a couple jets weren't enough but i can understand why people wouldn't like that as much as hori does push it to the forefront as much as he should.
@@Arrakuu (spoiler warning but u already know that)
i get it, maybe i explained myself poorly; it seems to me that the changes the society goes trough have a small affect on the story, sure u get some racist panels where ppl hate on heroes, you se the society start to crumble but after the heroes initially get in contact with it for the first time the theme gets left behind.
Now we are in the final arc of MHA yet I didn’t felt the heroes were out numbered cuz they kept winning or at least get a tie; the hate on the gifted ppl (like the shark girl) has not been relevant since that episode.
My critic is essentially that, the consequences aren’t long lasting and the society doesn’t affect enough the story.
At the end this is only my opinion and I’m not a writer so…just different opinion.
Thanks for sharing your view I appreciated it :)
@@lorenzoaccristo8712Lol jjk's final arc is just arc is just fights with NO emotional depth and characters are just dying just for sTaKeS
@@avid4288Wouldnt that make it more realistic? Sukuna is the strongest, he should live up to that. This ain't another anime where the power of friendship solves the situation.
MHA isn't a series that kills characters alot. Typically they get maimed/permanently injured etc. You don't need actual death for stakes although a big death every now and then would help to heightened the stakes I suppose. The MHA arc was good, with the only significant issue being Gran Torino not dying but you kinda have to see it play out to see what Hori is gonna do with his character for the epilogue. I suppose its ok to annoyed/upset in the moment. The arc had a moment that outtrended the US election. It definitely had things going for it. Jjk killed so many characters in Shibuya that half the cast are new/relatively characters that alot of people don't even care about. With Gege introducing characters with no backstory that are conveniently powerful enough to deal with the series biggest threats.
JJK killed about 5-6 characters, not sure if that counts as so many, but it also felt a lot more impactful especially with how the war escalated. MHA has many issues, but the war arc I’ll admit was decent
exactly people seriously thinking just killing of characters for the sake of WAR is a good thing
Mha war arc was mid at best
What you forget that the impact shown...in the Shibuya arc we see the Non Sorcerers and the government reaction to the events
i feel like ppl miss the point in JJK’s constant death and killing of characters in that, the whole nature of jujutsu sorcery is more so about the strong/competent surviving and what it truly means to be strong. As well as the value of humanity in our characters. Both the deaths of heroes and villains show this in my opinions and that’s why i think a lot of the deaths work except for one death in the manga.
Yea the anime also spells this out during Mahitos “You are me” speech by showing not only nobara was dead but hanami as well. Also Nobara and her death by proxy is embedded a little deeper into the thematic elements of the store. The whole idea of selfishness and growth as a sorcerer, as well as what it means to die a good death. The deaths really have meaning beyond shock value and character development
@glogangglory probably would've hit harder if those characters didn't have 7 minutes of screen time combined. Also stop kidding urselves its all for shock value. I mean look at fraudjo his shit happens off screen for shock value.
@@PolloMarcko ??????
Are you blind or did you just skip season 1???
I kind of agree. Mha did really remove the stakes here for a "war arc". It's much easier to call the current point of the manga the actual war, because here we see characters seriously injured and some deaths. Jiro for example had one of her ears destroyed, like damn that's like making her quirk be less effective, that's gonna have consequences. Bakugou's supposed death was kind of just turned over, so that's a little less stakes, but Hawks also lost his quirk. There's a lot more stakes in the current point than in this failed war arc
Bakugo coming back completely killed it. What are we talking about ?? Bro just gets up & starts clapping one of the strongest villains ??
@@Carbinatedfartt If you had taken the time not to just scim over what i wrote, you would see i wrote "Bakugou's supposed death was turned over".
I litterally say that it made the stakes worse as his death was kind of just overwritten and lowered the actual stakes. Sure, it's good for shock value, but it just got turned over.
You do remember that both Hawks and Mirko got support tech that either allowed them to fully recover or mostly recover from the damage that impacted their quirks. At this point, technology in MHA is 100% plot convenient because we’re told characters like Hagakure and Momo MUST have their costumes designed the way they are because of the conflict with how their quirks function. Yet Mirio’s got a costume that completely works fine with his Quirk despite having a similar issue as them while Mirko is given an entire prosthetic limb to replace the one she lost that’s just as fine as the original, and All Might is given armor that allows him to fight toe to toe with prime AFO. So replacing Jirou’s lost ear when we see stuff like this shouldn’t be a problem. Hell, if you want to, you could also just have Eri Rewind the damage so that she gets her ear back since that’s all Eri is for these days, a healing plot device but of course, the story will just conveniently ignore her for the sake of the illusion of consequences
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@@wizardwolf1020Im not fully caught up in the manga like with Hawks having support tech . I kinda gave up at the point where Hawks has his quirk taken.
But yeah, all these stakes aren't really permanent at all for an arc that should be impactful, but IMO, it is still better than the first "war arc" with the paranormal liberation front
I'm a filthy casual who only watches the anime dubs, and took a while before I actually started watching MHA and JJK. But the issue I have with JJK is Gojo Satoru was probably the only character I found interesting, and when I found out about him dying in the manga I lost all interest in the series, I honestly don't find the other characters interesting enough to want to invest anymore time into the series, and the anime didn't give me enough reason to care about them. Yes MHA is a lot safer, but even that made me care about a handful of characters, with Twice being one, but I wasn't solely invested in Twice like I was with Gojo Satoru in JJK.
My big problem with the Shibuya incident is that the bad guys that got killed off are so overwhelmingly weak compared to Sukuna that, effectively, nothing has changed. It's Jogo syndrome - an intensely strong character getting absolutely fodderized because they only ever fought people stronger than themselves. Hanami's death SHOULD have been impactful, but we've seen barely any of the actual bond or friendship between the disaster curses.
The big problem is that in my opinion Sukuna isn’t well-written, because his strength is so phenomenally overwhelming that every other villain in the series seems insanely weak by comparison.
THIS IS A TEAM OF SPECIAL GRADE CURSES AND THEY ARE NON-THREATS APART FROM MAHITO! Hanami had the misfortune of only ever being shown fighting Todo and Yuji (at least it was an actual fight).
The thing about the shibuya incident was exactly what the name said incident meaning something is coming that's going to be crazy especially with kenjacho sus activities. And people are so desensitized to death you need it to feel something, and that's a little scary you don't experience it on a consistent basis or deal with psychopaths with Narssasistic syndrome these are kids if that are dealing with 15 year old minds.
I'm almost positive in every form of history and Media, a War is far more deadly, tense and hurtful than what was shown in MHA
Deku was older than Itadori
@@MrPotaaah what are u guys talking about
If we are really nitpicky we can say that it wasen't actually a war it was at best a terrorist attack.
@ggwp638BC people want the regular with anime and manga and this isn't it. It's inherently dark and twisted. It's not by the power of friendship we'll win vibe. And shibuya wasn't a war arc it was an intro to the next phase of events.
After the shibuya arc we have a impending sense doom, we saw that our favourite characters are not safe and we don't know who else will follow them, even yuji with his plot armour may not die but is fated with suffering worse than dead.
I think one of the most badass moments in the MHA War Arc was when Aizawa cut his own leg off to save his Quirk
I honestly thought they gonna kill him. Surprised they did not which is honestly great. Instead they made him more bada** . By showing how he will fight for those who rely on him till his last breath!
Honestly that was actually a really cool moment
What a mature group of individuals. This is a great comment section.
how the main cast of "teenagers" havent died yet is surprising thats like sending a 16 year old to war and excepting them to come back home
Wut? First of all, all of them already got their official hero license. Which means, they are already eligible to do hero works and it's already been established that heroes that died in battle are normal occurence since season 3. So, for them it isn't something that they wouldn't expect so idk where you get these impressions that all of them are naive.
Honestly u couldnt b more wrong death isnt about stakes or consequence, its about the vacuum of despair it leaves. Nanami, nobara, or the disaster curses had 0 vacuum it was all on the fly.
Twice left hawks in a state where he was prepared to let himself die to toga to repent because even he knew he killed a good guy who was forced n2 this lifestyle. It also made society see more of the gray area, that heroes will kill as long as it benefits what theyre going for(later reinforced by nagant).
midnight resulted aizawa and mic depression, ashido maturing but also being conflicted on morals when seeing said killer, and its the first time those kids have to cope with death.
In jjk after nobara and nanami died its a brief moment and its pretty much never mentioned by anyone other than itadori and megumi. Same with higaruma, yuki, and anyone else lol
did you even watch the mha war arc several people were losing limbs that they to this current chapter in the manga havent gotten back a lot of people did in fact die and there has been major consequences for example hawks losing his back to Dabi has left him severely weakened because his quirk has WAY less feathers now Miruko losing majority of her limbs and literally needing support items just to be able to help Twice being completely dead midnight being completely dead the entire world collapsing on itself I mean u say all of this about knowing the characters when we've got basically 0 character from nobara other than her being a gag most of the time most of the people that did die in shibuya I couldnt give a rats ass about them because they werent developed and idk where you're seeing this development at unlike with twice who was a really lovable character the stories HAD consequences you're just undermining them because gege kills off a character every episode and that makes it feel like its got more consequences even though actions do have impact in mha and thats very clear from anyone who actually pays attention to the injuries we see and as for Deku it shouldve been obvious he'd build up more of a resistance seeing as he can now use 45% as oppose to the last time he used 100% he was only maintaining 5% of one for all him having more of a handle on it should be obvious we've seen lasting affects from this arc that I feel ur just ignoring like the mentality it gave Deku how society was ruined needed character development for Bakugo more input on the Todoroki family and then you bring up jiro vs all for one like she significantly beat him by herself and mahito does NOT feel more dangerous than shigaraki thats an atrocious take especially when his techniques dont even work on the main character while Deku literally has to pummel shigaraki so badly he cant even fight back just to stand a chance at winning ur tryna tell me itadori who cant be affected by mahitos instant kill and todo who can just switch places with anything he wants felt more dangerous than shigaraki who was going up against an entire team of heroes quirkless and winning alright buddy Itadori was literally a punching bag for several minutes until todo showed up and none of those punches had lasting affects on him just due to how much stronger and better he is than mahito and gran torino is hospitalized he is NOT fine lol you act like hes been on the front lines in the currect arc the entire time plus gran torino was still needed within the story to show Izuku that killing Shigaraki is another way of saving him and are you seriously bringing up machia being outsmarted the guy whose a literal dumbass that just follows commands and he wasnt even stopped by them until endeavor knocked him down multiple episodes later Iida punching Deku had more weight mainly because we had an entire arc of Iida doing what Deku was attempting to do and regretting it also you use events that will stick with you as a last argument meanwhile Bakugo saving Deku will hold way more impact to me than any moment in shibuya mostly because shibuyas moments are carried by memes like I would never talk about jogo vs sukuna if it werent for memes because i could give a rats ass when it comes to jogo meanwhile literally any moment with shigaraki sticks simply because of my villain academia
did you even watch the video
Holy shit bro chill out. First of all MHA does not contend with JJK its pacing is slow and their are parts of the war arc that are generally cool but the emotional build up for characters deaths and injurious are pitiful I care about Twice more than I care about Midnight dying because midnight was an emotionally shallow character that I could not give shit about while Twice had an emotional breakthrough and finally figured himself out while Midnight couldn't even get a on screen death. Also MHA has one of the most poorly paced fights and fairly boring heros at this point.
"moments are carried by memes like I would never talk about jogo vs sukuna if it werent for memes" ngl thats just you and your youtube page. Me personally i think that fight was heat
They are gonna hate you for being right 😂😂😂
@@dingostk9655 they seem to be hating on him because he's wrong
I think jjk is great because I genuinely don’t know what direction it’s going in, also there is a lot of mystery surrounding so many of the characters. Keeps me engaged 😊
I feel like both series have the opposite problem.
MHA: Nobody ever dies so it's hard to care about what's happening since you known nothing truly bad can happen to them.
JJK: Anyone can die at random so it's hard to get invested in any character or their arcs since they can just abruptly end at any time.
I've only seen the anime, but I don't think people suddenly die enough to not get attached to them. Yeah Maki, Junpei, Nobara, and Nanami had fairly sudden deaths. Junpei's death was alright with me since it gave Itadori motivation to kill and hate Mahito. Nanami, Nobara and Maki's death made the Curses seem more powerful and threatening. We also had a good amount of time to get invested with Nanami, Nobara, and maybe Maki, although I think she was a least devolved one in the anime, although if Maki gets more character in the movie let me know.
Dabi’s reveal was so obvious though, like ofc the guy who uses fire powers is related to the guy who uses fire powers
Tbh, it wasn't a revelation, it was a confirmation
@@Roy-sr6gsbut they put so much emphasis on it like it’s some kind of twist, I was just done with MHA right when that scene happened in the manga, previous scenes were weird and didn’t add any weight, but they weren’t terrible, but the Dabi scene I was like “ok shut up”
@@ragnaricstudios5888 Yeah, we saw it coming since his first appearance so it couldn't have any of the cool factor the revelations have lol
just the first episode of To your eternity had more impact than any of the deaths in the war arc
2:39 The thing about Gojo getting sealed raising the stakes of the story is... MHA did the same thing with All-Might during Kamino (which you do mention). That moment was _supposed_ to be the start of the downfall of hero society and it was... in the background. I don't think it has to do with the deaths either. imo it's because the villains lost. Twice died, Compress was captured, Dabi's reveal was undermined because Jeanist was alive, Toga and Spinner... were there. The PLF were all defeated.
What changes because of the war, really? Heroes started quitting? Stain's whole purpose was to show that the heroes were superficial and quit the second things got real. Crime rose? It was *already* rising. That's Red Riot's whole arc! Aizawa can't erase as good as before? So, USJ but again? The prison breakout? What was stopping AFO from doing that before the war other than plot?
There was 2 seasons worth of build up around Shigaraki leveling up and all this tension around not letting him get to Deku at all costs, but when he does get to Deku, Deku is able to hold his own fighting Shigaraki after only more basic training. The JJK equivalent would be if Megumi had actually been able to fight back against Toji and do more than run for his life. And yes, Shigaraki had been fighting for a while by then and was incomplete, but he should've still been leagues above a teenage boy with broken arms.
Midnight's death was downright silly. I don't think any hero could've looked cool if they died because of pocket concrete, even if the audience spent 10 seasons with them. The only real consequence of MHA's war arc that wasn't already happening was the Todoroki family drama becoming public.
Yes crime was already rising but after the war there were many citizens purchasing and using weapons to fight crime themselves which often caused more property damage and potential casualties then the average villain usually would since they were often just robbers with decent quirks. In the manga during the 2nd war it’s shown that Aizawa can’t use his quirk reliably at all even with the help of the water hero guy hydrating his eyes. This is way more pivotal then when the USJ invasion happened since shigaraki is a far greater threat and thus makes the reader or watcher deeply care about what happens to Aizawa. Prison break couldn’t have happened until after the war because the heroes would’ve gone to stop it instead of all being hospitalized, dead, or trying to evacuate everyone in the cities that were demolished in the war. I wouldn’t call Deku’s training basic since he specifically trained to better control black whip as well as using using uraraka’s quirk to quickly learn float. Also the point of showing that Deku was barely on par with shigaraki at shigaraki’s state during that fight (incomplete and already battle damaged like you said) is to show how much of a problem he would be when he would eventually become complete. That not only sets up the 2nd war arc but also helps justify deku’s vigilante arc by making it a big deal how dangerous a completed shigaraki and free AFO could be. Midnight didn’t technically die to the concrete she got killed off by a group of villains that showed up after she fell but I agree that it a dumb way to go out though
@@MonkeyMan-hx7hv Training to control black whip and float ≠ months of assimilating AFO's quirks, being tortured for his body to be able to handle it, and having his quirk level up to city-level destruction. Compared to what Shigaraki went through, Deku's training is basic.
Deku was 100% keeping up with Shigaraki. If he wasn't he wouldn't have been able to pull him away from the heroes and save them. If Deku hadn't shown up, can you really say that the heroes fighting Shigaraki wouldn't have all died?
Counterpoint to the buying of weapons and tech to cause more damage than average after the war: they were already doing that. Not the citizens, granted, but the entire Yakuza arc about quirk boosting drugs is about that and how the average villain was no longer 'average'.
The heroes were all already stretched thin before the war. There's no way they would be able to stop several prison breaks at once on top of keeping the city criminals in check when they couldn't even catch the league at the Yakuza compound despite how many heroes were present. They couldn't even contain the damage caused by the PLF, who they had the jump on. More criminals would've been recaptured, yes, but the powerful ones like Nagant? I'm sorry but the #8 hero isn't stopping her. Whatever prison Endeavor was sent to would probably end up being the most contained, but he can't be everywhere at once.
@@BuzzabeelYT Would like to note that Shigaraki is not city level. He destroyed a building IIRC, not an entire city.
@@doublereel-real He leveled at least several blocks and that entire compound when the heroes were running from him after he woke up.
@@BuzzabeelYT while it's true that in a powerscaling discussion, city level does not mean to have a city level feat, a few blocks is still much smaller than a city.
I still don't know how the tail guy in class 1A survived that long, at least have someone in that damn class died my guy😅
cuz hes the love interest of the invisible girl, and the author has to keep ships alive
@@ajojofann what about seto, the tape guy? or the dude that speaks to animals? what about shugar gero who's literally jusr a gymbro, mineta? those people are so weak they should have never even been in class 1-A to begin with XD
one thing that honestly would've made the Paranormal liberation war arc better is if we just got to see shigaraki actually KILLING important characters, and not just severely injuring them. One of the most impactful moments in MVA was seeing shigaraki kill a ENTIRE CROWD of people, that honestly felt more brutal than anything he did during the war arc
i dont rlly know i enjoyed both arcs personally. im neurodivergent and my special interest currently is mha. i do find interest in seeing where it excelled and where it fell off though so this comment will only be about mha
imo they both do what they're supposed to do but mha's feels a little lacking in a few aspects like... midnight's death felt useless. the only reason why i say this is because they don't necessarily give us a reason to care for midnight's passing. especially with the way her death is treated afterwards. (yes im talking about how aizawa reacted)
theres also the characters that could've and should've died, while gran torino is obvious honestly i think they should've killed off pixie bob, rocklock (could've been a nice kill for shigaraki since he was doing. absolutely nothing next to aizawa), and maybe fatgum because we don't see him ever again after that 😭 those are my opinions though
one thing i want to make clear is that i don't think character deaths would fix all the mistakes the arc had, i just think it would really push the stakes higher for the following war. which i think the second war is peak for me
just please note that i am a silly neurodivergent teen who really likes mha. and this is just my opinion. everyone is entitled to like what they like and honestly, i really enjoy both jjk and mha. i think both authors are skilled and im excited to see where both mangas go
JJK fans try to hype up their own series without putting down others challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Besides, as a former JJK fan I have to sadly admit that Shibuya is where the series peaked. The writing goes downhill from there.
so because no one dies thats so dumb i think after jjk came out now EVERY anime fight had to have dire consequences and main/side characters HAVE to die its just so stupid the only people i hear complaining about mha are jjk fans and op fans
One piece fans have no room to talk knowing the fake out deaths in that series
Nobody has to die. The war arc just didn't have much progression. It really just threw random events and such into the storyline without proper development. Overall, it feels more shallow in comparison to other arcs where the stakes were indefinitely higher.
I feel like this video all amounts to "I like one anime more than the other and so I care more about one than the other", but MHA's war arc would be flat out better if they eliminated talking it out as an option. That's what's killing it for me. The talk no jutsu crap has no place in such a huge conflict.
The main character literally said he's going to talk no jutsu the main villain lmao what are you talking about
@tutumazibuko2510 that's what I mean lol. It's so bad, it's boring.
@tutumazibuko2510 I'm starting to think y'all aren't reading it
@@tutumazibuko2510 when ☠️☠️
MHA has more well written and enjoyable characters that stick around through the story. I love the parallels and foils dynamics between them like Shouto and Dabi, Ochako and Toga and Izuku and Shigaraki. Plus all these characters are good on there own and plus has more that I didn't mention. But they all play a role in the story that matters.
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Definitely not more well written, and the Izuku and Shiggy dynamic definitely isn’t touched up nearly as much since they barley interacted throughout the series and with how rushed the final act became. The rest though did have more structure though, most notably todofam. And that’s pretty much it lol.
for me most memorable jjk stuff was gojo being sealed, mahoraga vs sukuna, and nobaras death. I am 100 percent biased tho i never got very invested in jjk, but i remember vividly in mha twice dying, shigaraki leveling the city, shigaraki vs deku, aizawa getting crippled, toga vs uraraka, dabis dance, best jeanists arrival, and that glorious moment where afo calls izuku useless and flings him away as the villain's escape. Idk maybe the characters don't change much but that doesnt change the fact the entire vibe of the show is never the same again afterwards as most of the last arc has been in ruins and stormy, along with all of dark deku. eh idk why im saying this
yall instead of being fans off and anime and then making people mad just dont say anything and also bruh deku couldn't even move after using 100 percent after the fight
Some ppl watch mha with their eyes closed
It’s not peoples responsibility to silence their opinion because people like YOU get mad over 2D characters lmfao.
Bro just wants someone to die 😭
4:56 is exactly why JJK is peak. Mofos have no plotarmor there except maybe the bad guys 💀
JJK is just built different in the Shibuya arc. Sure, there are similarities, but what made it different/interesting from the war arcs is the parts where there are antagonists twist their roles in the war
(e.g. Toji temporarily "helping" the sorcerers in their dire situation by overpowering and killing Dagon who trapped them in his domain followed by killing attempts to Megumi, and then there's Sukuna who was thought to be on the side of the special-grade curses but doesn't completely side with them because of his one condition, and even OBLITERATES one of them FOR FUN followed by a massive collateral damage in Shibuya with EVERYONE in the vicinity, which is no mercy.)
Yeah you don’t really see any betrayals on either the heroes or villains sides in MHA. It’s all just clear cut from the audiences perspective and whatever twists and surprises they tried to sell were half baked or didn’t age well like Mirio returning, Compress’s backstory, Deku’s arms situation, Shigaraki basically becoming a vessel for AFO, Bakugou getting stabbed with death flags, Gran Torino getting impaled to the ground with death flags, Dabi’s big reveal gets uprooted by Best Jeanist coming back, etc.
The thing of Horikoshi not wanting to take risks isn’t just in the war arc, it’s prevalent throughout the whole series. And it really holds MHA as a whole back, since it simply causes it to undermine it’s own themes too much. JJK is a breath of fresh air in this regard, some people do have some complaints of the manga killing too many characters later on. However even _if_ that’s the case, I’d still take that over MHA never doing anything interesting with it’s characters.
@@helios2664 like the characters go on and on all the time about how dangerous being a hero is and how they could easily lose their lives but you legit don’t see a character die until the Overhaul arc. Up to that point, the only deaths you could find were maybe the occasional NPC character death.
"MHA's war arc would have been a lot more interesting if characters we had actually grown to know, died".
Can't believe you said this and praised JJK. **NONE** of those characters have any personality. They're basically meat puppets for the grinder.
The only person of substance who dies is Nanami. And he had NOTHING left to do in the story; which is a MAJOR flaw in Gege's writing. He has said it: when he has nothing left for characters to do in the story he kills them off. And it's EXACTLY why their deaths are hollow. On the opposite side of that spectrum: It's why Jiraiya's death is sad, there's still stuff left to TEACH Naruto and there's more bonding time to be had.
Nobara is about to die, the pacing *stops DEAD* and then we get an episode and a half of flashback of her. It's like the author realized, moments before killing her, that he never actually made her a character.
People need to stop pretending JJK is genius. It really isn't.
Almost all characters of My Hero Academia are mediocre at best
You are either stupid or you didn't read the manga
Yeh man surely mineta has anything to do with the end
"nothing left for characters to do in the story he kills them off" jit, what are you gonna do with characters that have their arc's done? are you just gonna let them live till the end, especially in an arc where the major guy(gojo) got sealed and every single other characters attempt to unseal him? dude. a character that's done is a character that is DONE, why are you gonna let finished weight try and carry the story more when their arc is fully finished? by this logic you are basically saying that their deaths shouldn't have happened else they're hollow, which is stupid in a case of an actual WAR, or INCIDENT should i say
also, in Nobara's case, you do realize that the author knew what to do with Nobara right? genuinely that's dumb if you think that "he never actually made her a character" by giving her a flashback before her death like, dude, that contradicts her whole flashback then since why bother making a flashback anyways. if she never had a character, why would you make a flashback then? theres no point in a flashback for someone who never had a character, because that's either called filler or a unimportant side character
not to mention at 8 minutes we had a previous arc where endeavour the #1 hero struggled to kill 1 high end nomu and then in the war arc we just see them being 10 v1d by nomus and they arent having near as much as a struggle
Bro, garaki literally explained to you that those are "near high-ends". They're not the same quality as the high end that endeavour face bruh. First of all, they literally just got awakened from their test tube so of course they would be lagging.
Secondly, the police personally select the heroes that are perfectly fit for the job there not to mention they're fighting in an enclosed space where there are no civilians around so the pro heroes are able to use they're quirk much more broadly here than the one with endeavour.
You are literally comparing a situation where there are only 2 pro heroes fighting in crowded places unprepared against ones that they meticulously planned and even knows they will fight those high ends since they have all the information.
(TL;DR at the end) This is what I like to call: the JJK effect lol. It’s when people who love JJK have been so normalised to half the entire main cast dying for no reason before they get barely any development and thinking that’s the only consequence that can exist in a story. (No offence, sorry that came out aggressive haha).
Like I really can’t see how these are “fakeouts” or “safe writing”, ESPECIALLY with Bakugo. You probably picked the example that has one of the heaviest consequences out of the entire series. That moment not only starts a fire within Deku that doesn’t get put out until the end of the next arc, but also makes a start towards one of if not the biggest character development of the entire series, Bakugo’s apology which completely changes his relationship with Deku.
In terms of the example with Gojo, yes I do agree that it’s smart to seal him off and therefore our sense of safety is gone, but… the way he gets sealed is just so pathetic I can’t believe it. The moment Gojo steps foot into Shibuya he just doesn’t feel the same. He’s suddenly on edge and seems so worried he might actually lose, which is a good way to build up suspense and tension yes, but we therefore expect to see him fight a huge villain and lose towards the beginning of the arc. Not get caught in a very easy trap like that that his season 1 version wouldn’t have even entertained. It just makes me feel cheated and like this isn’t the strong, cocky Gojo we all know, and therefore makes the rest of the arc much less convincing.
Also the villains in JJK are an actual joke comparing to MHA, even in both arcs mentioned here. Jogo’s a joke, Hanami’s bland as heck, Geto.. who the heck is he?? And Sukuna’s just the one who wants to destroy for the sake of destroying. And to top it all off, Mahito is actually okay but is the very cliche deranged villain and once again has barely any depth. Nothing nearly as close as interesting comparing to Shigaraki with very deep and interesting backstory and motives, Dabi which I don’t have to explain, Twice with his relationship with Toga, and Toga, being kind of similar to Sukuna in some ways in the fact that she’s literally just insane and there’s nothing really more to her villainy, but the anime still does something with that in making her love the people she’s supposed to kill, and figure out if they really are as bad as she thinks.
Now onto the big part, the consequences of Shibuya Incident. Nobara and Nanami die. 2 main characters who barely got to do anything yet. And they get killed by Mahito of all people. 2 characters who still had so much potential die just like that to a villain who isn’t even that threatening (at least imo). Imo this doesn’t make the arc and its consequences impactful and rather does the opposite and just makes it less convincing due to the fact that they die just like that to Mahito.
Something which people dont realise as well is imo the TRUE difference between these arcs, the times in which they happen. MHA’s war arc happens after 200 chapters of the series, and 6 seasons into the anime, literally starting the final saga. The Shibuya Incident happens in the second season of the anime, serving as one of the introductory arcs to the story. Now, there’s 2 types of war arcs that a series can adopt. A war arc which happens as a result of big events going on in the story and is the true height and climax of those events (most war arcs), or war arcs which serve to build the characters and get you to know more about them and deepen your bond with them (I mean I’ve only seen that in World Trigger with its Invasion arc around like 30 episodes in). MHA obviously adopts the first type and does it perfectly, as most series do since it’s near the end of the series and therefore all of the events have already happened. In MHA’s case, this is what the plot has been building up to ever since the beginning of Season 5 and really just after the AFO vs All Might battle. The problem with JJK is that it also adopts the first type and kills off characters as if we’ve gotten to know them for like 200 chapters, but, we just don’t. The Shibuya Incident just has no substance (for me at least) because it’s just events happening to characters that I barely even know, so essentially you could just replace them with blank NPCs and it wouldn’t honestly have TOO much of a difference. And moreover, there just is no big events that have happened for it to be the big climax of. I mean yeah there was a bit of build up with Geto mentioning the date, but literally nothing else. One date drop isn’t build up for an entire war where 2 major characters die and a huge part of an entire area gets wiped out lol.
Back onto the consequences part, this is what I mean by the ‘JJK effect’. Consequences don’t always just mean characters dying. In MHA, characters suffered life-changing injuries, and the whole point of the 4 aftermath episodes and the Dark Hero Arc was to show the true consequences of the war, hero society. Shigaraki levelled an entire city bro, killing thousands of innocent people and completely destroying the public’s already shaky reception of heroes to bits. MHA has always went for a more mature and realistic approach, ESPECIALLY in this war arc. Stuff like Midnight’s death are ‘brushed over’ for example because the series is trying to teach us that it’s not all about them anymore, it’s about all of society. We do get to see the impact of her death on the students and it gets brushed over to show that it’s just one of the many casualties in the war and those casualties aren’t always people just dying or getting injured but it goes much much deeper into the civilians and hero society. Also the war arc literally starts the final saga of the series, by far the darkest and puts the world of MHA into a panic state where they could lose at pretty much any point and the whole of Japan could fall under AFO’s rule very easily. Seems like pretty big consequences to me.
Also Deku just suddenly being able to use 100% against Shiagarki numerous times isn’t just a magical thing that happens with no consequence. He’s able to use it in the moment because of adrenaline and afterwards he’s literally paralysed and has to move with his mouth. In the arc after that, he has to use specially made cuffs to help him even withstand OFA’s power after all those blows he made to Shigaraki.
To wrap this up, about Shigaraki and Mahito and how Mahito’s way more threatening and all because he kills more, I kinda already explained this with the whole consequences point but I’d like to bring up the fact that Shigaraki was quirkless during the entire fight with everyone and was still able to hold his own, cause major injures to the pro heroes and students, and was able to survive like 6-7 100% OFA blows at point-blank range. The fact that he was able to level an entire city from just touching the ground comparing to Mahito’s killing of 2 characters is immensely different. Imo that’s MUCH more threatening since we actually get to see the heroes’ strength versus just a portion of the villain’s strength and them getting absolutely humiliated while 2 main characters just get cheaply taken out by a villain who we’ve barely even seen except in 1 or 2 fights before.
(TL;DR) Overall, it’s up to different tastes. Both series have consequences just different types. MHA goes for mature and realistic consequences whereas JJK goes for more shonen and traditional consequences (key word: traditional, not generic). In my opinion, the Shibuya Incident is a much poorer execution of a war arc than the Paranormal Liberation War because of everything which I’ve said above, but hey, as I just said, this is a case where it’s truly up to just different opinions.
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to be honest.. everything you said there only provides the belief you have NOT watched jjk 😹
its probably not wise to comment so thoroughly about something you have no information on
well after reading all that, it seems to me you probably either haven't watched jjk, or are actively hatewatching it lmao.
@@DullNick23 exactly what i said lmao
I always took MHA as light hearted X Men…so I actually think it has done fine for the tone it has always aimed for. Plus I think the manga is better than the animation. There some really intense moments the anime flubbed. But props to GeGe because Shibuya changed the entire atmosphere of the manga. The War arc in MHA it was more of an escalation of what already existed.
Honestly, MHA can be so lighthearted that calling it lighthearted X-Men makes it sound more hardcore than it is, imo. It's clear that Kohei very much doesn't want to murder any of his action figure sales and no MHA story is as dark as people wanting to genocide all mutants.
6:25 they also said. if he broke his arms like that again, he would lose function in them. imagine THIS. he does this... but ends up losing one or even both his arms during the war. something that he always used. something he always relied on. it would also question whether he can fight All for one and shigaraki when he is stuck at a major disadvantage.
hell. Gran torina should have died. he was the teacher of all might and deku. so him dying would hit hard as hell. also. yeah. should have killed some major heroes and even students. god, imagine if kaminari died? someone who's suppose to be comic relief... only to now be dead.
The doctors said that if Midoriya shatters his arms again too many times, his arms won't work anymore.
He broke his arms against Shigaraki, big difference.
You still have to remember that mha is a show about kids with superpowers not some show full of death its meant to be somewhat chrerful (until this arc) but either way they wouldnt really just kill off children like that unless the author is a beast like Gege or Fujimoto
NGL, while I do agree with some things, you say, PLW & The final war still neg Shibuya
Sincerely disagree.
Disagree and I don't even like jjk
U trippin 😂😂😂😂
PLW is decent, Final war is dogshit in so many ways
never have an opinion again 👉🏻🚪
That’s my favorite thing about jjk they’re not afraid to kill children, if you’re going to have kids fighting in wars, not all of them are gonna live. It up the stakes even more
After taking a long break and watching the anime, I tried to read MHA's manga. At some point, I gave up because I found the story a bit slow after season 3 or 4, and the stakes didn't seem as high anymore. When MHA started to get dark, I expected it to have casualties that mattered, and because it didn't happen, I thought that the only reason to continue was if I liked some characters in the main cast because they would probably not die. And if they did, there would be a way to fix it. When I read JJK, the thing that attracted me was realizing that not everything said by characters in the manga is true. Sometimes, they don't know, lie, or are lied to. Another thing is that if somebody tells you that someone is a menace and you might die facing them, it's not an empty threat. Even though people say that JJK is not deep or that deaths became a cheap plot device, I am still reading it not because I like a specific character but because I want to see where the story ends, not just how many people are still there at the end but the journey to get there, the losses and victories along the way, the development of the characters' philosophies -good or bad, but also the acceptance that not everything will be alright for the main character and his allies because he is the main character.
Then there’s also the genuine question of if the heroes will even win in the end or if they all die with the villains winning. It’s so fascinating to me how JJK has a story that’s so willing to punish the main character for having typical Shonen protagonist ideals and mindset when other series like MHA would reward them for essentially being right.
why cant we just like them both 😭
Like seriously
Preach
No one is saying u can't, that's not the point of the video 😑
You can though??? No one is saying you cant like both
No one is saying you have to like one or the other, one is just simply better while the other is dog shit at writing
The shibuya incident moment that will stick with me the longest will be right after Sakuna V Mahoroga.
I get what you’re saying for sure. They couldve added more emotional depth to War Arc. Killed out a more important hero or one of the kids. But I wouldn’t say it didnt have any consequences. So many heroes that didnt die, substained such grave injuries. Miriko probably wont ever fight again. Aizawa is missing a limb, which will surely take away the martial arts MASTER we know him to be. Gran Torrino has a leg decayed i think, can he still fly? And what i Will compliment the arc on as far as consequences is showing the aftermath of such a war. Gigantomachia ran THROUGH cities. And Shigaraki leveled his own fair share. Heroes that arent dead or maimed, had to retire because of backlash. The public lost all faith. Society became anarchy and started to collapse everywhere in Tokyo. MHA focused more on those consequences than the actual war. And maybe that wasnt the best choice but it was a creative choice. I dont think MHA was ever gonna be that anime that just killed ppl off and we knew that from the jump. It was always a little on the brutal side for a superhero show, but still way more light hearted than a JJk or a Chainsaw Man. MHA is about hope and heroes while JJK is about being thrown into despair and trying to live with it/overcome it. The whole power system of jjk is based off of negative emotions and energy and curses. I just dont think the two are super comparable in terms of realism and showcasing death and despair.
Mirko can still fight. Prosthetics exist that can also act as support tech meaning that a lot of the consequences of the war can be mitigated or outright negated with MHA plot device technology. Then there’s also Eri who could just rewind all the damages if the plot allowed it. And Shibuya did change the landscape in a way where there’s just no turning back even if the villains are beaten unlike MHA where society could just be largely returned to the way it was once the villains are beaten. JJK really takes the time to show that the change will be irreversible with it even extending to beyond Japan as the story so far was largely regulated to Japan only but with the word of Curses getting out, foreign powers will obviously get involved. Not only that but the consequences of Shibuya are much more great on the cast than MHA’s war arc. The 1-A students are basically still all sunshine and rainbows even though they literally fought in a way not long ago where teachers and heroes they knew died with classmates almost dying yet it seems like none of that mattered. Meanwhile, Yuji goes from the happy and cheerful guy he was to serious and depressed after Shibuya. Todou lost a hand which unlike MHA, can’t be easily replaced so he’s basically forced to retire, Nobara, Nanami, and Naobito are dead which will have varying consequences, Jujutsu Society now has the death penalty put on Yuji and Yaga which makes them targets, Megumi will also feel guilt for what happened in Shibuya because he both summoned Mahoraga and is largely the reason that Yuji was kept alive which allowed for Sukuna to cause all that chaos and death. Shibuya has consequences that will not only affect the world but also the characters on a very personal level because it’s like a chain reaction, one thing causes another then another and then another where things can be traced back to Gojo getting sealed and the chaos of Shibuya.
Am i the only one who thinks that the war arc would be a lot better if class 1a and 1b had bigger roles in it? Horikoshi wrote very interesting and diverse characters, only to barely use them after like season 3
They're are in action I'm currently watching the new episodes, problem is people are took quick to judge war arc just opening up and people making vedio without knowing a shit.
"main character and fan favorite will always have a lot of plot armor". Let me introduce you to Jojo's Bizarre Adventure