@@vg-_-universal8283 Horikoshi came up with that name...so...you can blame him for it. Vigilante Deku like Cremation is a fan name. If you've read the spinoff manga, calling Deku a vigilante makes zero sense as he has a provisional lisence.
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I feel like most of the complaints for this arc are just very nitpicky or they just blatantly ignore the context of the story at the moment for all of the issues they have not being addressed. When I see people bring up the lack of consequences for Endeavor or Hawks I just question the readership. Who the fuck is going to hold them accountable for their crimes in societies' current state? You could argue Hawks' lack of apprehension towards Endeavor is a little weird but Hawks is inherently biased towards him but he is also capable of seeing the man he is now isnt the same as back then. I dont have an issue with the power progression at all it makes sense given the context of the story and still comes with adequate risk even fueling deku's self destructive tendencies even more in this arc which was the best part, even if the finish wasnt as good as it could've been. I've had to argue with way too many people that cant suspend their disbelief over the top two heroes not being indicted amidst societal collapse or how they clearly get plenty of pushback especially Endeavor for their sins, ala Dabi and failing to keep the public safe. We're literally shown society turning its back on its protectors so hard even the heroes we thought were legit like Death Arms hung up the suit.
@@thefull9746 what do you mean, dekus tendency to hold the burden by himself was said by tsuyu and shoto, telling him they were strong enough for deku to help him shoulder said burden.
@@nikamoreillus661 that's not the type of thing that is supposed to be fixed just by another character saying "We can help you with it". The issue deserves more (it's litterally Deku's biggest flaw, the crux of his character)
@@thefull9746 ochaco's speech helps deku to understand that he can't hold this by himself and to not put his class in such a low regard acknowledging that it's not just him that's going to become the greatest hero but everyone in class 1a. Then allmight was supposed to die because he kept on pushing himself the limit eventually burning out ofa in the process and almost died and it's the same with deku, he pushed himself too much and got some z's midbattle fr.
@@nikamoreillus661you’re missing the entire point. Deku needs to solve Deku problems. In Naruto, Naruto needs to solve Naruto problems. In bleach, Inchgo needs to solve inchgo problems and in One Piece, Luffy needs solve luffy problems. Getting help is fine but Ochaco can’t solve Deku personal problems for him, Deku needed to say something for himself or recognize his own problems and he never really did. Also the problem doesn’t end in one conversation. Deku is a good hero because he pushes himself and actually cares about people, so the story applying that part of him is just a bad thing sorta goes against Deku entire character.
The MHA manga tends to reflect the different eras of American superhero comics, and the vigilante Deku arc is an almost perfect deconstruction of the 90s trend of edgy antiheroes. Deku's costume even begins to resemble characters like Venom and Spawn.
How is it a deconstruction when it doesn't say anything. As someone who has read a lot of comics the only thing that screamed anti hero was his costume getting jacked, nothing truly happened. I don't get how you can call it a deconstruction.
@Jamal Hartley "Deconstruction" may not be the best word, but it seemed the best fit for an arc that simultaneously pays homage to and critiques an era of comics generally defined by loner anti-heros, x-treme aethetics (animalistic poses, torn clothes, accessories, claws, etc.), distrust of authority, and general nihilism. The story has been building up the cracks in hero society for it's entire run, and it finally comes to a head with the formation of the PLF, the failure to stop Shiguraki, and Dabi's public address. Midorya is then seemingly set up to fall into the life of a solo vigilante after his encounter with Lady Nagant, where he'd eventually be forced to gradually lose his humanity and resort to more violent means. The intervention of class 1-A not only pulls Deku out of his downward spiral, but also refutes the very notion of nihilism and solo anti-heros. And they do this not through some saccharine speech about hope and friendship, but by drawing on their shared experiences, acknowledging the failures of the hero society, forcing Deku to see his actions are driven by fear, and demonstrating how much more affective they are working together. It may seem a bit rushed, but I felt it was efficient and effective.
@@PainCausingSamurai I get that since this the first arc where Deku actually acts like a super hero 😅 so I get why some like it. Although violent? Nah. The only thing edgy about Izuku was his costume. He saved a guy who tortured a little girl aka Overhaul during the Nagant fight. So I didn't see that downward spiral you talking about. Would've been cool if we got that though! Plus that edge in the 90s was so short lived because it can't last. No one wants to read that every issue so it's focused onto characters who can carry that like Daredevil, Batman, Punisher, and the like.
I would say it's more of a subversion of 90s edgy antiheroes. Midoriya has been adamant and diligent in fighting villains and saving lives. So diligent in fact, he has begun to neglect self care and has isolated himself from his friends, family, and eventually All Might. He seems to act more like Batman, always vigilant, always out prowling the streets. He looks like a monster, but his actions are quite heroic, leading to mixed rumors in the masses.
@@ClavinZKL And your point? Just because it's a Shounen manga, it doesn't mean that the hero/protagonist cannot be "realistic" or break away even a little from the standard mold.
Ok, so I was not the only anime only watcher who thought that 'is that it?' for the Vigilante arc of Deku... manga readers were hyping it down to the last second after the war arc... so my expectations were there.. and granted the fight scenes were cool and some might even be some of the best in the anime, but it felt like the whole Vigilante arc was going upwards into a climax, but then you realized this is the climax and it suddenly ended... it's like a riding a rollercoaster and you're climbing up only to realize once you're at the top that's were the ride ends and you're actually not sliding down...
Well, the thing is I absolutely agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I personally love Vigilante Deku and he looks awesome. But the only problem I see with this arc is Deku VS Class 1a because it arrived way to early in the story. I wish Horikoshi actually gave more time to develop this arc so Deku can finally be developed into his own character. Seriously though, we got some cool action fight scenes and it felt good seeing Deku become an entirely different person than he was a couple of seasons ago. But the problem with this arc in general is the wasted potential of Deku as a character. At this point, Horikoshi just wants to be done with MHA and nothing more.
Yeah I was expecting so much from vigilante deku but when I got to it it just felt like a kid ran away from home to the nearest playground then got picked up by his parents 4 hours later then went to bed
Midnight’s death was so glossed over, it was insulting. Seeing people say this arc is “so dark” is laughable since no one noteworthy but Midnight died Bakagou serves no other purpose in the story and hasn’t for a while. He is a weakling compared to the top now and Deku. He could’ve served a better character dying sacrifice himself to Deku We shouldve seen these other heros with names, but side characters die in droves during the Decay Wave If you didnt wanna touch class 1-A fine but even someone from class B losing their lives wouldve had a great effect. Kendo, Pony, even Momura
@@thedestroyer5794 the most irrelevant death in all of mha. I probably would've been a little more sad if it was gran torino dying or even all might dying in the final war arc but nah bakugo wakes up from being dead and gets saved by edgeshot, gets a powerup and goes on to fight against prime afo
Still honestly this was what I was waiting for and imo it’s the best we’ve gotten the animation in the fights was top notch, me and my coworker loved every second of it considering after work every Saturday night we would sit and watch it and it was simply badass deku and we loved it
Don't know about you, but for me I loved the "Vigilante Deku arc", definitively one of my favourite arcs in the entire series, i'm really surprised you preferer the "Joint training arc" more than the "Vigilante Deku arc", but hey! it's your opinion.
Personally I loved the start of the arc, but it just ended in a way that was so unsatisfying. I still like the arc, but man I really wanted some deep introspection from Deku and we just didn't get it :(
@@chromulus2225 I understand how u feel tbh and I hate how there is a lack of acknowledgement from the rest of the cast as students see their teachers DIE IN FRONT OF THEM
My problem with the arc was thanks to a misunderstanding of what was coming due to the fanbase. Everyone spoke do highly of the upcoming "vigilante" arc. So my expectations were for a Deku that was crueler, alone, and chased by the heroes. I wanted him to do things that he somewhat regretted and learn from his regrets. So I was definitely underwhelmed when he was basically no more than a sadboi who wouldn't let anyone love and support him
@@Lumberjack_kingit’s very misleading. It makes them think he’s leaving behind the flawed hero system that largely caused a lot of these problems and doing away with being an enforcer of the system and government and instead doing what he believes is morally right. But instead, he’s just being an antisocial workaholic who pushes everyone away to go solo
My biggest issue here is that For an Arc that is Named ‘Dark Deku’. Midoriya himself feels way too…Restrained. Like I’m not saying that he should Start brutalizing or killing people but I feel like he should be way more Spiteful and Even Pissed at the world throughout the Arc. Maybe like,Deku always Had these thoughts but The people Of UA(both whom he looked up to and Looked up to him) kept his Rage in check. But now that they aren’t here,He lets out those feelings in the most cathartic way he can. Beating up People. And more dangerously People that by some means Deserve it. Deku has always been a characters that has this very Raw and Almost Unabashed Rage(Like in his Fight with Shoto,or his fight with overhaul and more recently aginst Shigaraki and late AFO) And it has always felt like an Anger that isn’t just something of the moment,But its something that Feels that it comes from the depts of his soul. But no,Deku Has to be the Good Boi even when he Doesn’t have to be
All of these complaints could easily be fixed if it was just longer, if it was longer it could have enough time for the kids to empathize their teachers deaths etc.
honestly i found the villain hunt arc really enjoyable and am not saying that because it was only "raw" moments i found good writting in this arc PERSONALLY but even then this video does say some of my problems with this arc, the all might and deku meeting,class 1As reactions, hawks wings and bakugos apology to a extend i dont really think dekus character was "bastardized" or "ruined" per say but i 100% agree he SHOULD have more of a POV i PERSONALLY believe he has more stuff in act 3 ( i feel like me saying that rised some eyebrows) but at the same time his character devolpment feels "shackled"? i do believe his trauma is shown in his moment when he sees bakugos corpses (and the anime exclusive moment) but damn i miss the interactions between the kids but again thats just my opinion great video! you did a amazong job covering some of my problems with the arc!
You seem very defensive of your point of view, friend. Don't be! We already know it's your opinion, we already know you PERSONALLY think this by merit of the fact that you're posting it yourself in the first place. Cheers, be more confident!
@@rodrigoa.m3566 "You seem very defensive of your point of view, " yeah thats my fault 😅 i got insulted and got into arguement a few times because i said my opinion in these types of videos because i kinda have a more positive few on mha then most but you know what your right! i should be more confident in myself, i just get a little anxeious because how much people can be aggressive, of course i dont think peopel are ALL like this, just a few bad apples but again thank you! your comment made me smile
Ehhh, I keep seeing the comments just defend Deku and one or two comments say: "Finally, I agree", but I just think, personally, that the War Arc and the Vigilante arc is just bad/rushed writing. I'm not saying this to be mean or to discredit people's taste in anime shows. People can like what they like and I say this as someone who will finish MHA when the next season comes out. However, when I look back on both the war arc and the vigilante arc, I just see both arcs with bad writing. Sure, there are good points to the arcs, but, as an average anime goer that has invested time into MHA, I can point out the flaws that really bug me greatly in both arcs and I honestly believe that is just bad/rushed writing. I don't blame Horikoshi entirely, he could be on a rushed schedule, but I am allowed to look at something I enjoy watching and say: "This could have been done much better."
@@Forit26it went on for a couple weeks at least dude shigaraki went from needing 4 months of training to get afo's full power and by the end of this arc it was 2 or 3 days
Can totally see where you're coming from. I love this arc, but I can have problems with it. I know I really wished we got to see Deku unlock smokescreen, Fa Jin, and then train with them in some way rather then just having a good enough hand on them. I also think it's too short, and would've loved to see Deku vs Class 1-a have 2 battles. The first being where Deku gets away from them, and the second being the first, heck, maybe Endeavor and the others try and stop him after round 1.
I like it to because for me now that I think about it deku never really faced any real psychological conflict true becoming the new all might was something he had to go through but I don’t really count that and I feel the Dark Hero Arc was Deku’s true Physiological conflict because he’s at the lowest of the low he abandons everyone even all might and in a way abandons the identity of Izuku Midoriya becoming a shell of the person he once was and even though it is for a good reason to see them all happy. So in also another way the Dark Hero Arc was Deku’s Daredevil season 3
Mate, this is the anime where the training was “how about instead of focusing all power on one limb you...concentrate less AND spread it out?” and this BRILLIANT and NOT OBVIOUS realisation because the MC kept on BREAKING arms from punches. Also: we literally have rewind healing atm in the story. No injuries matter. Aizawa couldn't even hold a flashback to her before cutting his own leg off. We aren't even allowed to maybe be surprised for forgetting the ultra healing for a second.
Lmfao, he didn't have a flashback of Eri because of her "healing" he remembered Eri because if he died in the war, he would make Eri fall into depression like his friend did after he saved him and sacrificed himself. Lmfao, there's no way some people think Aizawa had that flashback because of Eri's healing ability from her quirk 😂🙏
I think it was the best arc we've had in my hero academia in the anime for ages, maybe ever, the way they made the show look felt perfect for the arc and set the mood really well. My problem with cour 1 of s6 and all of s5 was that it felt like something big was missing, whereas in the Manga it felt so much more horrific and serious, I think it could have been the use of bright color that made it feel like the horrific scenes were much less emotional. The vigilante arc fixed this problem with the art style and more muted colors.
As an mha fans the huge issue is that it was way too safe and it went with the Disney power of friendship route like mha just wasted it’s worldbuilding heavily deku could’ve explored the world more and realise how chaotic everything has become with him losing his insanity
Some where and i agree with most of it, the biggest objective points are a. The lack of physical and societal consequences, as they just do not exist after all the buildup and b. The trashing of the background can't, mainly 1-a and a few select heroes. If none or most of them wereent shown post s5 it would not have change a single thing up til now
Yeah, it's basically a video of him saying: This is how I wanted season 6 to go. Then, he portrays it as failures of the season rather than portraying it as a subjective opinion. The whole video can be summarised into one point, which is that he wishes the series would flesh things out more, which is more of a preference than a failure.
7:08 So glad you pointed this out! I was waiting for at least 1 scene where Hawks would have an internal struggle about the information. Because on the one hand, he's looked up to Endeavor since childhood because he arrested Hawk's abusive father. But on the other hand, he just learned that his hero had abused his own sons. How do you deal with that? I know they're both professionals, #1 and #2 in Japan after all, but working together now has to be a tense situation...
All your points are very good and make sense. I do resonate with the same ideas that Midoriya has let himself become a tool and lost a sense of introspection. The power progression is also wild, although it’s something that I kind of saw coming and don’t really mind too much. Definitely the most egregious issue for me was how the characters kind of felt disconnected from their environment to a degree after the war.
For me, the most heartbreaking part of this arc was that fact that Class 1a came right after Deku. Like the arc was so short, we only got to see a little bit of Dark Deku. Like seriously, the arc should have been longer, and this should have been used to develop Deku as a character. The last time Deku had development was like when? I think it was somewhere 3 seasons ago.
Wrong about the stakes part I feel like because all might had a stomach injury and he didn't die and deku's durability and his acclimation to one for all just went up at least that's how I see it I mean plenty of stories have lessened their stakes so bad to specific dragon ball but it never harmed their stakes long term and there is a lot more amalgamation of problems with dbz but still ppl love it
The Dark Hero Arc should've delivered with its name. Have Deku be a brutal anti hero that seriously injuries any villain he finds but it isn't played for a power fantasy. The arc antagonist could be some normal person that sees Izuku hurting people as wrong and tries to stop him. Have him face someone that sees Izuku as a villain and it makes Deku remember why he wanted to become a hero in the first place, be a Symbol of Peace and not intimidate people to being good
First half was raw but the second half was way too rushed and ended underwhelmingly when there were plans for a lot more and bringing Deku back to his old self and all ok really wasn’t ideal especially after everything he went through and what happens later on really makes it all the more baffling on how this got rushed thanks to the bad editor among other things
@@jeffali5157 the manga itself is kinda being rushed, because its reaching the end of mha i think none of these things where planned ahead of time and thats why its being rushed, next season is gonna bbe rushed too so prepare for tht..
This video ain’t it. Rare dislike from me. Most of the points brought up are personal nitpicks that I don’t feel the community agree with or care about. Video lost me at “who cares about Miriko” 😭
It's not completely MHA's fault. MHA has over 400 chapters and the story has been dragged out for way too long. Honestly, MHA used to be peak but the series began to fall off when the war arc premiered. It honestly fell off when Stars And Stripes VS Shigaraki occured.
I think the entirety of act 3 of this series is being rushed. This arc is one of my favorites but it could have been the best if it wasn't limited to like 15 chapters. Characters should have had time to reflect on Dekus choice and not just be introduced when he needs to be saved. We should have seen more scenarios where deku is the only hero able to fight since Hawks got burned, Endeavor is traumatized, and other heroes are retiring left and right. I love this arc and what deku is in this arc. We just needed more time to let it all cook correctly
I found Deku really interesting from the beginning! I don't see where it's supposed to be that Deku has become less interesting and poorly developed! We must not forget that he is still a child! He doesn't have an easy life for a child!
@@jeffali5157 kinda helps when said 6 quirks are pretty useless by themselves and aside from say Black Whip, the other quirks werent that hard to learn. Smokescreen, Danger Sense, Float, even Fa Jin and Gear Shift just needs readjustment since theyre just motions Deku has already done which were kinetic buildup shock and adjustment to speed
@@itsjustvin7630 float is the only one I would say in the grand scheme of things is pretty useless by itself, everything else has been helpful. He had a chance to be interesting but man was it underutilized. He isn’t bad, but man the way they did things for him isn’t ideal.
@@jeffali5157 like i said theyre useless by themselves. they hardly need mastering. hell danger sense and smokescreen doesnt really need mastering and fa jin and gear shift are motions deku is already used to
@@itsjustvin7630 fa Jin and gear shift did need some mastering even if the motions are familiar with what they could do. Though either way things got rushed so it wouldn’t have mattered if it needed mastering or not.
I agree with most of your points. This arc felt weak and I couldn’t explain why other than it felt super rushed and not fleshed out. Thanks for breaking it down!
That was why I fell off MHA. There weren't any consequences so I was just detached the entire time. Why get emotionally invested if the stakes aren't legit? If all I wanted was spectacle, I'd watch Dragon Ball Z or Super.
@@jeffali5157 I guess everyone but you has rose tinted glasses considering this is the most acclaimed arc in 4-5 years making Mha 6 the highest rated season of the series.
@@maximum8991 he brought legitimate points on why the arc didn’t do nearly as well as it could’ve been and you still think he’s watching it with his eyes closed. The arc wasn’t awful but anyone without rose colored glasses can see this arc still had issues and was rushed thanks to the bad editor and higher ups at jump among other things as well as how it brought even more problems later on. And this is far from the most acclaimed arc in 4-5. That goes to the PLW arc itself. Season 6 was obvious gonna be highly rated due to the highly anticipated war arc.
@@jmanruules compared to other adaptations, they followed it well in the manga, but that doesn’t change the fact that this arc was still heavily rushed and flawed in the second half, and it’s gonna get worse from here
MHA fans jus ignore writing flaws and inconsistency in motive and literally how Deku hasnt earned shit to be so “powerful” cuz they enjoy how colorful it is or some bullshit
Ngl I wish the anime changed the art up more. Look at bleach TYBW, they got a new artstyle, red sky, made scenes more gray, black and white at times even all for the tone. And this which is meant to be the dark arc? Bright blue sky
You have such strong, well thought-out, solid points it’s hard to disagree with you lol, and yet this show created such a complex story and history, however, the characters seem to skip exposition for the sake of nothing. Endeavor has literally done illegal things to his wife and kids, yet no one gave a shit. There’s absolutely no trauma or lingering trauma from other things, which takes away the potential depth this show could have. It’s fun it’s shonen, so it’s simple. What can ya do?
Finally, someone with a working brain in this comments section. Honestly, everyone's standards in story-telling is actually concerning, at this point. You can love a story but still say: "Hey, this story is still bad/could have been written better."
I love MHA, the Dark Deku or Vigilante arc used to be one of my favourites in the entire manga, and seeing it animated really increased my love for the arc. However, after watching this video, i can totally agree with a lot of your points, and see all the flaws that this arc has. Although I dont considerate it to be one of the worst arcs (not even close), i can know see that it isnt as perfect or as good in terms of quality and content as I thought, its Coolness and Epic stuff for the most. I always thought Horikoshi really accelerated the course of events in the history after the War arc. I really wanted the "Vigilante Arc" to last a little bit longer, just to see Deku fighting and learning how to use his quirks prior the Lady Nagant fight, because i really felt that the way Deku adapt to his new quirks was waaaaay to fast. But after listening to your points, i really see how much potential this arc wasted by making things happen so fast. Like you said, the characters in My Hero Academia felt real in the previous arcs, and seeing how all the events that happened after the war really didnt make them different, its kinda stupid. I especially agree with how the OFA reveal was really dissapointing.It's like the only reason to do this was to make the Pro Heros understand quickly the importance of Deku and to make the history go from act 2 to act 3 without further problems. We didnt see the reactions of Class 1A, what they would think about Midoriya after knowing that he literally had All Might's power. I wanted them to feel sad or angry to Midoriya to keeping this secrets (Even though Shoto said something about feeling angry that Midoriya didnt tell him his secret, it really isnt enough). I even think that some of the students could feel envy and demerit Midoriya for having a Quirk that makes him literally All Might, making all his achievements be less thanks to his ingenuity and hardwork, and more to the quirk. This could even trigger characters like Ochaco, Iida, Todoroki and Bakogou to defend Deku, especially Bakugou since he has seen just how mucho Deku has changed and has work, and how he doesnt care about himself and is willing to sacriffice his dream to fulfill OFA mission. This would've added a lot of content to the class 1-A. We could've seen this in any moment of the arc, heck, even at the start of the Dark Deku arc, when everyone read Midoriya's letter. This comment is already way too long, but i want to say that i also agree with you in how Deku should've had some introspection and more time to think about Bakugou's apology. Even though im sad for all this missed potential. I still like and enjoy the Dark Deku arc, and even with all his flaws, i think Deku is a great character and i really love him. Dark Deku is not the worst arc in MHA, it can feel that way by seeing how much potential it wasted, a thing this video really demonstrates.
This arc was amazing and its funny that people already are jumping the gun to downplay it. Figures how MHA hate will never cease. This arc was not about those features, this arc was about creating more depth into midoryas character. Sure there was some missed elements that cannot ALL be covered. This isnt one piece, we dont have time to display all of the occurences. Stop downplaying an amazingly written arc by ignoring WHAT THIS ARC IS ABOUT
please name me two things that had further his past developments in that arc ( i love this arc but cmon). I'm not some pedantic or highly critical on every series i watch but surely you didn't feel that more was needed for this. abrupt and erratic timing with no development other than his ideal to safe everybody by just leaving them to not get hurt.
@@famousfox6318 This arc is to show that dekus main ideal, the very reason he was given One For All, was also his greatest weakness. This arc was also to show that he is still a human teen and how the responsibility of this power which he accepted with such earnest due to his "hero disorder" is not something that ONLY HE has to shoulder and how damaging on his body that responsibility is to shoulder. This arc also was to flesh out the parallels between the antagonists and also show the aftereffect of the previous arc.
It’s not ignoring what the arc is about, it’s more how it’s executed. Deku pretty much has everyone else talk no jutsu him and accomplish his OWN problems without his own introspective of it. He didn’t have any reflection on the consequences of going rogue or any reflection on his friendship with Bakugou and everyone else in the class. Everyone else talks about his own problems and acknowledge it except himself. How are you supposed to properly change if YOU YOURSELF don’t recognize your negative mindset? After PLW the series is getting rushed, and it’s shown by stuff like SnS and the video points this out. If the arc was dedicated to adding more depth to Deku character, it executed in a very poorly matter. This video isn’t even hating on MHA, it’s just not being biased to the series and genuinely pointing at flaws in the writing after PLW.
I am honestly surprised at the fact some comments are like "I agree it was short"...is that really what most people think? Just "short"? I remember when the manga went through the arc and everyone was throwing hands at each other because it not only was short, it also had the worst rushed closure for an arc that had SO much potential. Though I get it, by implying it was a short arc it lacked many things people would have liked to see but COME ON! My Hero Academia has the most toxic fandom and you expect me to believe they are calmly agreeing it was short?? I was there when all videos on this arc in the manga had a comment section full of hate. I was expecting a worse storm when the anime aired and surprisingly I haven't seen it blow up like it should have. It could also be that people who simply watch the anime don't care for plot and such...or left soon after this arc ended, can't judge them tho.
Something else to nitpick about since Mirio was brought up: We got told Deku basically HAD to be the one to get One For All because only a quirkless wielder would be able to withstand the quirk overload. That's why all the earlier vestiges died young. Mirio was treated like he even COULD have gotten OFA without keeling over in five years. So, that whole plot point was just lip service and, I think, retconned since it really was treated seriously, like All Might actually would/could have and seriously thought about giving OFA to Mirio. But he knew he couldn't. He knew he needed to find another quirkless person to pass it on to, and even then it might be too late, OFA is too big, and Deku is probably the last possible wielder of it. So. What was Mirio's character for again? Because the whole 'foil' situation got ripped to shreds a few arcs later. Horikoshi legit defuncted a perfectly good character. Almost a whole arc, even. The only reason Overhaul (and Eri, by extension) is still story-relevant is because the quirk-cancelling drugs he made were being used in later chapters against significant characters. Now, Mirio could just be wiped from the story and we wouldn't really lose anything because his character was made pointless with just that one, tiny inclusion. It's Naruto all over again, guys... Mirio is officially what I like to call manga-filler. No story significance whatsoever. Cool.
Thank you for pointing out two things thst bothered me about this arc: 1. The lack of reactions to Midoroya having One For All. 2. Deku unlocking so many quirks so quickly. The pacing was so fast there was hardly any time to breathe and make time for these important developments.
Although i enjoyed the Dark Hero Arc i can stand by a lot of the content of this video i've always thought that the arc was way too short and it should've added more time for the cast to reflect more on what went wrong in their respective journeys a bit more in depth i hate how major plot points that involved destructive or morally gray actions within the cast were just completely accepted by the main cast without a mention but if Deku could've had even a little more introspection and not have just flipped his switch into normal mode after an Iida handshake just feels too rushed for me I think the class should've failed to reach Deku the first time & forced Deku to realize his bad habits on his own after seeing how him putting himself in danger affects his loved ones & that would also give other cast members more time to reflect & converse with each other over the recent plot points from the war then we could get the Deku save scene but that's just fan fiction cuz i wanted this arc to be even more personal for Deku & the cast Hori at least should've added another arc before the final battle arc because i can't help but feel the transition from the Dark Hero Arc was really rushed
Oh my goodness facts. I was wondering why at the end of the season I literally said "Oh, so that's it". It really felt episodic instead of a continued story. For example, It was like Jiraya dying and Naruto balling his eyes out for 1ep and then going back to training the next. It just seemed like a highlight reel each episode instead of a story. Nowhere near as bad as but similar to God of Highschool
They clearly want to make my heros pacing better than other anime like the big 3, but they don't seem to know when to slow it down, this could have been longer to show how these events effected people and how they grow from it and to see more character interactions but they kept at their 25 episode pase for no real reason other than consistency I guess, they should have done something longer like the big 3 and other anime ppl like to complain about at least 10 more episodes would have been nice
The arc was wasted like literally this was a perfect chance for world building and they wasted all for his class to come in and say your my friend bullshit like they could’ve dove deeper into Dekus mental state and how he feels but they make a joke of that and don’t consider it like this arc was wasted and the last episode was god awful like overall this season is a 6/10 a lot of wasted potential
Im actually really happy you said “it isnt he’s licensed” because I never understood why people called it the vigilante deku arc 😭 The only time Deku could have been considered a vigilante was with stain. Deku had a license during the whole “vigilante” arc, which means that by law, hes not a vigilante. Vigilantes are people who act as heroes without a license.
Issue with this that it’s too short and it hypes deku doing something he will regret or going down a darker path but he never does heck we don’t even see him have a crazy breakdown
I'm saddened to say that the majority will not agree witjh you, because judging by the most popular MHA fiction, what people want is not resolving emotional problems, but seeing an edgy, dark, cruel vigilante Izuku, and how he's better and cooler than literally everyone else c: Me? I agree with you. Don't give a shit about Deku, to me the character lost its essence the moment secondary quirks came into picture. Oh, btw, you know what also was completely disregarded? That tiny bitsy bond between Nargant and Overhaul. But who needs that with Deku on the main screen, right?
This arc was so frustrating to me I remember every week as it came hoping they were finally going to address the midnight situation or have something happen to endeavor and then class 1-a arrives at the battlefield and that was when I realized that the characters I wanted to see develop were not getting it. I also feel like is arc is good if you're a deku stan but not for many other people.
I think this exact reason and scenario is why I haven’t watched any anime in like 3-4 months. Everytime I have an opinion or really liking something I’m either told by the “fans” it’s mid or the manga is better, let people enjoy shit why is this such a crazy concept to some of yall😂
Why does other people having opinions affect your enjoyment? You can still really like something even if people are criticizing it or calling it mid. No one is forcing you to get into debates with the “fanbase.”
I have enjoyed everything thus far. As much as i can appreciate and understand your opinions on this you also have to remember that any book whether it is a novel, comic or manga it can take a toll the longer you go. Some like akira toriyama can keep pushing the story but as tge creator of mha has put out hes looking for an end and hopefully the right end (*cough cough* AoT disappointing even though the whole story is amazing) so yea we can breakdown all disappointments but i mean we cant put ourselves in shoes of a creator who has been pushing mha for quite awhile. I feel alot of people expect way too much. Yea could we get alot more? Sure but why push fillers that most could care less about (note if they did some OVAs to cover that id be all for it) they are gonna skip alot to push the story to its end. Good bad or indifferent i feel the resolve of tge end of this amazing story will all in all give a good end. Whether it be what we hoped for since tge beginning or it be the end of AFO and OFA (imo it would be sad but it would give a good completion to the journey we started) sorry wanted to put my opinion out there but i do appreciate this video and definitely understand where people would be coming from
You can seperate the real world problems of creating something with the fact that the creation is flawed, mid, or downright awful. Poor production situations make poor stories, but the story is still poor, and you CAN break it down, critique, and talk about the good AND bad aspects of the final product. It's asenine to think otherwise
One of the biggest mistakes of this ark is not only the length of it and how short of a a time we spent on it as a whole, but also the way we had gotten to deku deserting class 1-a to fight the escaped villains. Deku leaving just to protect his friends kind of diminished his character a bit by making him think that they are weak and need to be protected by him. i think a much better way to start off the ark is to show how the after math of the war affected all of the students and teachers. shoto would now have to deal with the fact that dabi is his brother and his family’s secret being exposed to the world and reliving the trauma he faced throughout his childhood. also if endeavor would have his hero license suspended and removed as the # one hero to be investigated for the crimes he committed on his family which would have negative consequences for shoto. his portion of the ark would be to mend his relationship for him and the rest of his family so they could work together to help his father after fully mending their relationship. Bakugo should be put incapacitated from the war. Momo should have to face with the trauma and grief of losing both of her teachers and after talking with shoto to bring her out of depression have a drive to get stronger and protect the people around her. these are just some examples of dealing with the aftermath of the war, a large portion of them probably also training. now deku has a lot that should be reworked to make his character arc more interesting. first thing is removing the whole extra quirk thing from deku’s arsenal. at first it was cool seeing him train and use these new techniques one by one like he did with black whip, but at some point the quirks started feeling redundant and just a escape goat for deku when one for all wasn’t enough. it took out the intensity and creativity in mha fights. instead deku going on a journey of self discovery to find a way to heal his arms by looking for someone who has a quirk that could effect a persons dna or cells that way it could heal beyond just what healer girl can fix. after some convincing through heroics, deku would have his arms fully healed back to they were before he first started using his quirk and bc of the power that one for all had done to his body, along with the side effects of having his genes and cells tampered with, his latent quirk would be activated forcefully while fighting a villain as a defense mechanism. this quirk would either be unique to deku like the ability to regenerate lost limbs, or a more powerful version of his mother’s telekinesis. this would lead to him training to control this new unfamiliar quirk giving us a mini training arc were we see him slowly grow stronger and more proficient in this new ability, extending the length of the arc even further. the second change to deku in this arc that i believe should be changed is dekus motivation for leaving. u.a. and the japanese government knowing how danger’s giving one for all over to the villains would be would force them to keep deku at u.a. and restricting his movement so they could keep a close eye him. after having a fight with all might over the matter deku would have a small conversation with the more important members of the class seeing how distraught they are after all that happened during the war. later that night he would leave causing everyone to be worried on what’s happening and forcing the hero society to suspend his hero license for disobedience and condemn him as a vigilante. deku would now be forced to work completely alone for the first on a mission to find someone to heal his arms and capture all the escaped convicts to try to find all for one and shigiraki. the third thing is more of a personal nit pick of the series but in my hero it never really feels like any consequences stick with the characters so i believe that giving deku some trauma to work with to give him a reason to fight his heart out and giving us a side of deku we’ve never truly seen before we’re he’s full of pure hate and anger( aka pulling a gege😅). the most effective way for this in my opinion is for him to find out that his mother was caught in the crossfire during the war and either killed or put in critical condition. this would also give him a reason to develop his mothers telekinesis as character development. the 4th thing i would change is after deku returns all might and ochoku would have a talk with deku increasing there relationship for both. also deku would be punished for deserting u.a. but nothing to severe bc of deku being a trump card for the hero’s. im also removing the bath scene since it’s kind of unnecessary😂. even tho i’ve made some big changes to the arc and the series i still love mha and the arc itself just have some light problems so do get to offended if you disagree me as it’s just my opinion.
I don't think he talks fast on purpose, I also talk fast and it's normal. He doesn't think he is special, he is only saying his opinion. He has his and you have yours, there's no need to be rude. (Sorry if you can't understand correctly, I'm using Google translate)
Strongly disagree with Endeavour point and disagree to almost all point except Society reaction and Midoriya powerup and genuinely feel like rushing point to ending
I honestly think that the last time Horikoshi poured his heart and soul into MHA was the villain arc, which flashed out everyone involved and elevated Shigi to the level of proper, serious threat - as well as being a point when this character finally found himself. Everything afterwards starting with "child soldiers" arc feels like Horikoshi being burned out HARD, and just going full-on "fuck it, i don't care anymore" mode, trying to end the story as fast as he can. Ridiculous plot armor, over-reliance on tropes (MHA's initial success was because it wasn't molded into shonen tropes that much) utterly DESTROYING worldbuilding with stars-n-stripes having essentially power of REWRITING REALITY... while also being killed in the second chapter after she got to japan. I prefer to think that MHA ended with villain arc. It honestly makes everything better.
It's interesting that a video like this exists considering there is another relatively popular video that feels like the war arc was poorly done in relation to the villain hunt.
People put themselfs way into their own views that they refuse to watch another point of view. Thats how the toxic side of the community grows, not just shippers but people who think their opinion is better than the rest.
I mean honestly the arc being short does make some sense in the story. Class 1-A were gonna start acting as soon as possible, which makes sense. Even if it took them a few days to get in touch with Endeavour, to justify this arc being longer than a day. Also, this arc is noticably more fast paced. Bam, wham, new quirk, Muscular, some villain fighting there, wham, off screen villain, Kamui woods and Mt. lady are now in on the secrets, Wham. That is by design. It is meant to be fast paced and non stopping because that's how Deku feels, and once he is brought back, things return to the more normal pace. Asking for the arc to be longer is valid, but you are either asking to slow down and stretch out this intentinally fast paced arc, or you are asking to make things longer with the same fast pace full of mind numbing action
One of my biggest gripes about Deku and One for All is that the quirks contained within OFA are borderline useless on their own. Aside from maybe Black Whip, most of them almost feel like they were made in order to ehance Deku specfically. Take, for example, smokescreen, how in the hell was this guy a pro hero? Float and Danger Sense also fall under this category; Float less so, but even still, when people have the ability to shoot explosions out of their hands or manipulate their teeth into piercing blades, floating around the battlefield ain't gonna do shit. and when your *only* quirk is to sense malicious danger, tf is that gonna do for you? it'll let you know when AFO is after you, and maybe if you're about to get jumped, but you're not becoming a pro hero w that. It feels incredibly unlikely that people with C tier support quirks make up the majority of the users of OFA, espcially when you consider that this quirk is being hunted by the most formidable man on the planet. It really breaks my immersion in Deku, as well as the worldbuilding MHA set up. It makes OFA feel incredibly empty, and with lack of explaination as to how the former users actually operated in their prime, I could care less about them, and I dont see MHA taking the time to craft unique stories about their golden ages.
Did you even read the manga or watch the anime? The hero society was nowhere like what it was pre-All Might. Anyone could use their quirk freely that time as we saw. Plus All Might mentioned, the reason AFO didnt suspect they had one for all is because their main quirks were so weak, he didn't care or they were simply not noticeable
@@aymaanhasan9550 Hero society still existed before All Might, it wasn't a lawless land before he came into being. UA has been around forever, and they've always trained the best-of-the-best heroes, I'm not sure you where got the quirk free-use thing from. That aside, it still doesn't take away from the fact that Deku is no longer interesting. Giving him amplified support quirks on top of his already over-powered main quirk only hurt his character narratively. Before Deku began manifesting other quirks, the entire premise of the series was watching him grow into something he was never meant for-- and watching him carry on despite that. Now, he has quirks that let him use 100% without consequences and that takes away the foundation My Hero set with its storytelling.
As much as I get the points being brought up, I also believe we dont need to be told EVERYTHING. As a viewer we don't always need our hands held to try and understand how the characters are affected by something. It is something that we can assume based off of their decisions/actions. And as the story progresses maybe it will be more pronounced. Maybe a little flashback looking back at the events that unfolded. But not everything needs to be said. They can be implied.
Unfortunately I think it all came down to the show being on its last legs having a limited amount of seasons and episodes to run for and possibly having to put a major focus on to what can be considered the main plot and put aside some of the other things that might not be as important to push the story forward.
edited: youtube got rid of the fact I said "my opinion", thanks youtube. also moved this edited note up here so people can see it first I don't normally comment on videos but i need to get my thoughts on this out, in my opinion (because that is a thing I am allowed to have) this is a hot take (notice how i said "I think" and not just "this is") and before I go on to my reasoning as to why i think this is a hot take I want to say that if you or anyone else replies to this with their opinion I will not argue with you because that is what it is, your opinion. I, unlike some twitter people, tend to respect people's opinion. now onto why I think this is a hot take, and I will break it down similarly as you first, the consequences, now the fact that you say that there are no consequences is honestly ludicrous to me as the villain hunt arc and the decrease in heroes are a consequence in itself as it only happened because AFO shigaraki escaped. Just because there is no death doesn't mean there is no consequence, gran torino may still be alive but that doesn't mean he's fine, Bakugo was never really hit in any severe spot other than his abdomen which is why he's fine and the reason that deku's arm are somewhat fine is because one, his body can handle more of one for all and the last time he used it at 100%, and two, because he also used blackwhip as a sort of brace. side note about the red bracers, they are not randomly introduced for convenience, they were made by melissa shield from the first movie which is canon, like the other two movies. furthermore saying the decay wave didn't kill anyone is false as we see number six hero crush be it's first victim and, as of right now the wild wild pussycats are unaccounted for except for ragdoll as she couldn't participate in the first place second, the endeavor and hawk issue, the disinterest in one for all and midnight's death can easily be condensed down to the fact that there's simply not enough time to talk about it, or there's more pressing matters to attend to like the fact that the greatest villain and his successor's location are, in the current point of the anime, currently unknown. I'm sure after the second war is over I'm sure it'll be addressed but at the moment they have to stay focused on the task at hand and they can't let stuff like that get in the way. third, the negative opinions on deku having multiple quirks are valid and understandable, however story wise it makes sense as one for all on its own can't beat all for one as we've seen with him killing six out of the seven users and severely injuring all might twice while losing virtually nothing. moreover the easy master of each of the quirk isn't really a problem story wise as they're not meant to be used individually but in combination with each other, as we clearly see deku struggle to do as he hasn't mastered using them together on instinct yet in both the lady nagant fight and in the endeavor agency arc, and fa jin hasn't stop deku training to handle one for all's full power because all fa jin does is give him a boost in speed due to the momentum he builds up. And I believe the reason deku hasn't had an introspective about his self destructive nature and his hero disorder is because it hasn't been resolved yet, class 1-A bringing him back didn't resolve it as he was still full on willing to go back to what he was doing until uraraka spoke up. he still believes that it's a fight between one for all and all for one and to be honest, it will always be a fight between those two quirks, class 1-A will just make is easier to carry that responsibility and burden. This is why I also think that deku is OP done wrong is a hot take, if you want me to explain why i think that feel free to ask. fourth, the fact that you think the apology is a failure, in my opinion, undermines one of, if not the most, prominent character developments in the story, which is bakugou and his relationship with deku. when we are introduced to bakugou is he arrogant and cocky, believing he is better than everyone and more importantly deku, during the first training arc in we see his cockiness and overall pride get crushed as he realises that there are people on the same level if not are better than him, especially with deku. this sparks his determination in the sports festival arc to prove that he is better than everyone, which only crushes his pride more when he didn't get to prove it, hell their relationship is the whole reason they were paired up in the final exam arc. we see him reach his breaking point in his second fight with deku as he slightly opens up to deku, which in turn made deku realise that while he knows bakugou, he doesn't know how he thinks or feels, this fight allowed both of them to get a better understanding of each other and in turn, their relationship grew from the hateful one we saw at the start, to the traditional rivalry we all know in shonen, we then see him open up to all might during a flashback when deku's training for the future quirks he'll get and that he still cares about deku. the apology is the first time that he's ever spoken about his feeling fully to deku, which is why deku never said anything as he is in shock finally, I'll talk about the all might and bath scene together and I'll try to keep it short, the bath scene is the first time they, and more importantly deku, can relax, so talking about anything serious would bring down the mood and, like I said earlier, then have more pressing matters so they would waste the one time they to relax, same thing with uraraka standing up for deku. and deku never blamed all might for not being there, he was more so blaming himself because he was the one that pushed him away to begin with and apologising for that while also not bringing down the mood. overall, that's why I think this is a hot take, sorry this was so long i had a lot of though on this and if you disagree I understand and will not argue with you, I just hope that you understand where I'm coming from because it's okay to have different opinions on things, it's all about perspective.
One of the biggest questions I've been asking was: Where's Moonfish? I mean, you can't exactly ignore one of the deadliest of the VASLV second only to Muscular. I've reached the end of season 6 and reached the end of MVA of the manga, and this is something I need to know.
After where we are in the war arc, I feel like the vigilante arc was the last good one. The war arc has been ass ngl. I can tell Horikoshi is over it and wants to get started on that horror manga.
This has ALWAYS been the biggest problem I've had with My Hero: the main hero Midoriya is SEVERELY UNDERDEVELOPED. He doesn't ever actually reflect on the Hero Society he's in until this Arc, and it's so sudden too. He immediately starts recognizing things as nuanced simply off his fight with Lady Nagant, and even that doesn't really change much on his overall goals or methodology in being a Hero.
He has noticed it tho, I think the point was building on all those experiences till it came to a head in the current arc From Stain to Gentle, and even Endeavor he’s noticed the cracks in hero society little by little, he just never got focus on it other crazy sh*t happening
@@JDWalker495 The heck does that matter?! My issue is that this is a flaw upon Horikoshi's writing in of itself. If he knew better, he'd have made time for Deku to express these thoughts out, and be able to reflect upon these ideologies.
@@TheGloryXros its called my hero academia not my political academia also before u blame the author writing might try improve your reading comprehension :D
@@eggt1836 what the hell do you mean you bozo! what a loose, strawman's argument. The author clearly tries to portray societal issues during all of his work. You're either blind, stupid or openly malicious (I would guess the former, since you so gratuitously went ahead and insulted Xros for his take) if you deny that fact. No one who criticizes the show or manga for falling flat on decently portraying this from time to time is wrong for doing so. Criticism should come from an analysis of intent. The author clearly intends to show nuance with the inequality of the fictional society and setting he's built - THE MAIN CHARACTER is an instance of that, for god's sake: He's a literal have-not. A quirkless individual who struggled, suffered and has been told to kill himself by his classmate for it before. "Improve your reading comprehension" my ass, grow up, you actual child.
Way too short and It felt like deku could of had a much darker outcome at the end of it. Maybe he had to face a dilemma between killing a villan and saving someone or having an innocent person die. Now that would of been an interesting choice he could of made.
I find it a tad ironic that this popped up in my feed when it did, given I'm working on a My Hero Academia video currently. It's something I'll cover there, but as someone who has read the entire manga thus far, this is the best arc in the manga, minus the Sports Festival Arc. It has so much going on, while also giving you those "badass" character moments that you want from a shonen. I think the only issue with it is the fact that it is too short, as it's only a handful of both chapters and episodes. But those episodes single handedly carried Season 6, making up for the uninteresting animation that consisted of the majority of Part 1 of Season 6. The war arc is phenomenal in the manga, enticing and exciting, and has it's moments in the anime with animation, but was overall disappointing in terms of adaption and animation quality, especially compared to Bones other work, Mob Psycho. The Dark Hero arc, on the other hand, was more so a return to the form present in the Stain Arc with the dark and gritty atmosphere, intense and moving character moments (such as with the conclusion to both major fights of the arc, Lady Nagant vs Deku and Class 1-A vs Deku), and overall a breakdown of everything we've seen leading up to it. It is the final busting point of Deku's character growth that has been pointed out time and time again, and that is that he tries to do and win everything by himself. Here, that character trait is tackled head on, confronted, and overcome. He doesn't care for his own self, and puts others so far above himself, that he's ended up beaten and battered at the end of every major fight. We see how he has affected all the characters leading up to this moment, and how they now see him going down the same path many of them had been on in the first place, and the relationship comes full circle. It's a lot to break down in a have rant have ramble TH-cam comment such as this one, but I personally don't think the anime nor the manga failed this arc in any compacity besides the length. Regardless, great video, keep up the good work, and have a great day! EDIT: Also, a lot of the gripes you brought up in "The Consequences" do ultimately get mentioned later in the manga. Not going to go into detail, but basically everything you've mentioned does ultimately get addressed, but Horikoshi did not use the Dark Hero arc to do so.
@@AsarathaHSYT They do, though? Gonna leave this in the form of two replies, this one, which declares my intent to respond, and another, which has my response as well as specific chapters for point of reference.
@@AsarathaHSYT I realized in the middle of typing this that combing through nearly 60 15-page chapters to find specific character moments would be both a hassle and a waste of time; however, still want to offer the response anyways. SPOILERS AHEAD, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED). Sometime after the Dark Hero arc, Tokoyami has a few key character moments, and in those moments he directly reflects on Hawks actions, given he is Tokoyami's mentor, and reconciles with his mentor's actions and offers his own response to said actions. (Believe this is in one of the most recent chapters). Throughout the manga following Dabi burning Hawk's back, he is shown to be less physically capable throughout almost the entirety of the next 50+ chapters. Including in the most recent fight against All-For-One with multiple comments being made about his lacking strength. He's visibly weaker from how he was during the Nomu fight. Not to mention that Gran Torino has been out of the limelight ever since, as far as I recall (although, I do agree it would have been a better story development had he been killed). Miriko is the only one who has made a somewhat full recovery with the use of robotic limbs, but even her strength is stunted, as again seen. It's hard to portray those sorts of things in manga format without the use of dialogue calling it out, but the anime did a great adaptation of Hawks saving Nagant and then needing saving himself because of him being physically weaker after his fight. The gauntlets are present in I believe two of the movies (I know they are in the first one), and are plot devices used to allow him to surpass his limits, although he ultimately broke them by the end of the film. It's not unthinkable that they could be brought over in canonicity with the manga and anime. But, outside of that, he was in a comma for a while, with top-notch medical procedures being enacted on him daily, the same for Bakugou. And, given Deku's increased strength, it's not unthinkable to also believe that his body has become more resistant to the damage his quirk leaves behind, especially when he's able to control it much better subconsciously. Horikoshi has fully dedicated to injuring his characters on multiple instances, Sir Night Eye and Mirio being an example, but in a world with quirks and technology that surpass our own, much faster recovery is not, again, out of the realm of possibility, especially since, as seen with Mirio, someone like Eri can physically reverse a person back to before the injury. Another good example is Aizawa, who again has been permanently injured, and remains that way up into even the most recent chapters. Bakugou and Deku, being younger and full of youthful vigor, can heal a lot quicker with the use of quirks like the nurse from UA. I don't know anyone who feels "betrayed because of their investment" because a character wasn't killed off, because regardless there are still permanent implications for many of the characters involved. The death of Midnight is constantly mentioned and referenced by the students who witnessed it in later chapters, especially Mina and Momo, who use it as inspiration going forward for their heroics, as they don't want to witness anything like that again. This isn't just conjecture, either, multiple sets of dialogue throughout various chapters with these two reference her death. All of these things you had gripes with the Dark Hero arc not presenting are presented throughout the course of the following 50+ chapters. I agree that I think they could have chosen to tackle them during the Dark Hero arc, given it's immediacy, but to say they didn't cover it at all is not true.
@@wickynii Tokoyami did not think a single time on Hawks' actions. The reason you didn't want to comb through the manga for it was because it doesn't exist. I am up to date with the manga. I in fact, just last month, reread the entire final act. It didn't happen a single time. I am aware that Hawks' is said to be physically weaker, but the story never delivers on that. You never feel "man if Hawks were in better shape this war would be going differently!" and instead we get a half baked "he has prosthetic wings now" explanation for the lack of consequences on his back. You wrote a big paragraph about Midoriya explaining stuff that doesn't actually say how there are consequences for his actions. The death of Midnight is not constantly mentioned. You're just wrong, again, like the Tokoyami stuff.
@@AsarathaHSYT I will say, it’s not a good look for a TH-camr to be so openly antagonistic to his viewers, even when disagreeing with or being disagreed with. Regardless, the same is true for me: I’m current, own all the manga, reread it multiple times, and read it weekly on SJ. I could, in fact, go through and reread the entirety of the last 60 chapters again just to prove that it happened, or maybe I’m schizo and just completely misremembered 🤷♂️ Regardless, I find it beyond petty to go through and reread 60+ chapters to prove some denizen of the internet wrong. I didn’t do it because it’s a monumental task, not because I “know it didn’t happen”. If it didn’t happen, again, guess I’m just schizo. Not worth wasting much time over. But I’ll stick with my view point of “yeah, it happened” until I reread through it again eventually and decide otherwise. The comments overwhelmingly disagree with you outside of my own, as well, and as someone who is very passionately detail oriented, the mentioning, or technically lack thereof, of prior events in the war arc in the dark hero arc made me a bit curious upon initial read given I also was a bit upset, or more so confused, as to why it was absent when it seemed so forefront. If I am wrong, no harm no foul, at the end of the day it ultimately doesn’t matter, especially when the story going forward would regardless make up for those mistakes. The point of my paragraph regarding Midoriya and Bakugou is explaining the consequences, or more appropriately the lack thereof. Not saying that there are any consequences for those two specifically. Either way, when I get around to it in my script, maybe I’ll reread it again to see if I was truly schizo or not. It’s ironic given my video is the exact opposite of this one: “My Hero Academia Is BACK, Baby!” (Or something along those lines). Great video regardless of gripes. Keep of the great work.
What are you talking about I just finished the latest season of MHA. I put it off until it was finally finished and it was the best season of MHA yet. It felt like there was more of a story more consequences more character development. Near the end this season felt like it was very very close attack on titan season 3 and or Attack on Titan Final Season Part 2 levels of good which in my opinion are attack on titans weakest seasons. I think MHA was very close to being almost as good as those two seasons which is saying a lot. And I was never really a fan of MHA in the first place but these passed two seasons of MHA have made me actually get invested into the story that needed to be there it was finally there. Before there was barely any story or plot or really anything to grab my attention and keep it and if it did it was only for like half a season and then it would fizzle out or it just wouldn't grab my attention at all. These past 2 seasons had me on the edge of my seat wanting more and it kept on giving me more and that is imperative coming from MHA. I have nothing but good things to say about these past 2 seasons other than I hope MHA keeps it up for the new upcoming season.
the best fans are the worst fans.. so be careful because this community is full of dishonest pricks. Just like the star wars fandom, who i still stand that they are the worst comunity ever and nothing will ever match them.
Until you mentioned it I had completely forgotten that Midnight is dead and none of the other students besides Momo have even talked about it and they're just cheerfully having baths and having fun like nothing happened. Not even her fellow teachers seem to care lol
They really should have killed Torino instead since most of class A didn’t know him so it would have made more sense for them to start smiling soon after
he should have come against shigaraki and got his stuff rocked or he would have defeates shigaraki but then got blocked by the league. Horikoshi was trying to end it in 2022 at that point though so that is why it got shortened is my only guess.
Yeah I remember people talking about this, no emotional impact on students, storylines being thrown aside, no introspective thinking, lines, conversations. The series is still decent but it could be so much better if horokoshi didn't rush, and take his time, maybe if he's editor didn't change, or something... I've always thought this, character development, I swear the characters never really, really change, they have the "I want to be a pro hero" ideals ever since the beginning. And tbh its just boring if you're looking for more then regular action, but with plotlines being thrown away like nothing, its hard to enjoy it. But anyway great video.
it wasn't a failure it couldve been more, if you wanted more from the vigilante arc, then work on some fan fiction or draw your own fan manga of the series that way we can see your vision, it needed work but at the end I enjoyed the ride to see this arc animated
Ngl I shared some of your point of why season 6 isn't really that good but at a lesser amount, i do still think its better than half of the season because mha for me does feel progressingly worse every season until season 6 came around
Magic gauntlets came from off screen? Bro did u even watch the movies? How are u gush about early world building and then completely disregard call back like the gauntlet. Video starts “I’m upset that it’s not more about Izuku 5 min in why aren’t we spending more time on side characters. My hero has been rushed over the last few arcs but Jesus these are some trash takes
i guess short and rush also to me deku didn't cross no lines and i expected him to be mean and angry and lashing out on others you know just lose himself and then have his friends come and pulled him back into the light.
on one hand, i can understand horikoshi not wanting mha to be too gritty and realistic to the point where it’s too depressing to even sit through. i get the desire to have more light hearted tendencies, i do. but otoh, bakugo’s apology just…didn’t sit right with me. deku’s attitude towards being a hero irl would be classified as some sort of mental illness. deku isn’t just a selfless hero who always wants to help™️ he’s self-destructive, almost suicidal in his pursuit. he doesn’t consider his own well being, and there narratively should be a reason for that. it would’ve been interesting to explore the reason deku cares about being a hero so bad. it would’ve been so much more interesting to me if bakugo had to realize just how bad he hurt deku by letting deku just vent to him about this. allow him to talk about the effects of wanting to be a hero but constantly getting bullied, constantly being told he couldn’t, and being told by the number one hero that he couldn’t. the idea that deku just “got over” all of that pushes my suspension of disbelief past what i’d consider acceptable.
My main problem with these kind of shounen animes is that they are too afraid to kill off characters and it feel unnatural for so many people to make it out considering the stakes. It reflects badly on the villains and makes them seem incompetent and barely threatening :/
What I dislike the most about the arc is that I never really understood WHY Deku had such a huge change in character. Like I get that a ton of people died, but no one in Shiggy's battle against the characters. If you want to turn Deku into a Batman like character, then kill off someone important to him like his mother or even a classmate and have him witness or even be partially responsible for it. If you don't want to make such huge sacrifices, then don't act like you did. Also, this arc was far too short. A character change this big, especially for the main character is something have affects that last for the rest of the story, now it's like it never even happened.
This is a good thought, but I don’t think a character needs to die to explain the change. Bakugo sacrificing himself to protect Deku was enough to explain the transition. Deku actually sees and knows that everyone would sacrifice for you, because you are the savior. This is a heavy burden to bear. To me, that was more than enough to explain the transition.
Well, there is a reason why Deku had an entire change of character. This was supposed to give a darker and scarier version of Deku. For about 10 years now since MHA released, a lot of the anime community are always complaining about Deku's crying. They always complain that he is a crybaby and that he cries too much. What I also find ironic is that when Deku eventually went out and changed into an entirely different person, people were now switching up and hyping up Deku acting like he is the best new gen MC of current anime. Also, yeah I do agree with the killing of person. But the problem is which character do we kill off because it has to be a person that Deku extremely cares about.
I mean is it really fair to both complain about this being too short, AND not warranted enough? Which would be better? Deku's Mom dying and the arc still being short? That wouldn't make sense. Or maybe the arc being ten chapters longer? What would we even get out of that?
@@leritykay8911 At least it would explain the drastic change... These are two pretty unrelated issues so I don't see why one has to exist without the other.
@@rato_o6841 Well I'm just saying, duration of a change also affects how drastic it is. Like if someone is very hungry and becomes agitated until he eats, that's not a drastic change. But if someone becomes agitated and angry for a few weeks straight, it IS. So the way I see it, it follows that if Deku didn't have a huge reason, then the change wasn't THAT drastic. He was putting on that mask for what, a week?
The only mistake for me is calling people calling it the vigilante arc. Horikoshi confirmed it was the Dark hero Arc.
I keep calling it the Vigilante Deku arc, but only because Dark hero arc sounds more like the hero turned into a villain, but that's just me.
Vigilante sounds cooler deal with it 😁
@@vg-_-universal8283 also not canon. Real name is Dark Deku.
@@shirokane0153 🤓 “also not canon heh”
@@vg-_-universal8283 Horikoshi came up with that name...so...you can blame him for it. Vigilante Deku like Cremation is a fan name. If you've read the spinoff manga, calling Deku a vigilante makes zero sense as he has a provisional lisence.
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Bakugo had got killed again
@@san45bar I hope he stars dead this time at least
@M Y T H I C A L N O V A the proof is in the manga
He isn't really confirmed dead but not alive eighter
@M Y T H I C A L N O V A no joke he not lieing
he dies again like die die
The only mistake of the arc for me is that it was too short, I liked everything else and can't really complain much.
exactly, it was just too short than I thought it was gonna be
Yea
It had unnecessary hype.
Yeah honestly it is one of the best arcs, not sure what tf this guy is talking about.
I feel like most of the complaints for this arc are just very nitpicky or they just blatantly ignore the context of the story at the moment for all of the issues they have not being addressed. When I see people bring up the lack of consequences for Endeavor or Hawks I just question the readership. Who the fuck is going to hold them accountable for their crimes in societies' current state?
You could argue Hawks' lack of apprehension towards Endeavor is a little weird but Hawks is inherently biased towards him but he is also capable of seeing the man he is now isnt the same as back then.
I dont have an issue with the power progression at all it makes sense given the context of the story and still comes with adequate risk even fueling deku's self destructive tendencies even more in this arc which was the best part, even if the finish wasnt as good as it could've been.
I've had to argue with way too many people that cant suspend their disbelief over the top two heroes not being indicted amidst societal collapse or how they clearly get plenty of pushback especially Endeavor for their sins, ala Dabi and failing to keep the public safe. We're literally shown society turning its back on its protectors so hard even the heroes we thought were legit like Death Arms hung up the suit.
For me it highlighted Deku’s flaws . His tendency to risk his life. Though he throws his life away too much that he can’t really save anyone.
it highlights it but actually doesn't do anything with it. The characters or even Deku himself never adress it
@@thefull9746 what do you mean, dekus tendency to hold the burden by himself was said by tsuyu and shoto, telling him they were strong enough for deku to help him shoulder said burden.
@@nikamoreillus661 that's not the type of thing that is supposed to be fixed just by another character saying "We can help you with it". The issue deserves more (it's litterally Deku's biggest flaw, the crux of his character)
@@thefull9746 ochaco's speech helps deku to understand that he can't hold this by himself and to not put his class in such a low regard acknowledging that it's not just him that's going to become the greatest hero but everyone in class 1a. Then allmight was supposed to die because he kept on pushing himself the limit eventually burning out ofa in the process and almost died and it's the same with deku, he pushed himself too much and got some z's midbattle fr.
@@nikamoreillus661you’re missing the entire point. Deku needs to solve Deku problems. In Naruto, Naruto needs to solve Naruto problems. In bleach, Inchgo needs to solve inchgo problems and in One Piece, Luffy needs solve luffy problems.
Getting help is fine but Ochaco can’t solve Deku personal problems for him, Deku needed to say something for himself or recognize his own problems and he never really did.
Also the problem doesn’t end in one conversation. Deku is a good hero because he pushes himself and actually cares about people, so the story applying that part of him is just a bad thing sorta goes against Deku entire character.
Uraravitys speech is beautiful it almost made me cry
The MHA manga tends to reflect the different eras of American superhero comics, and the vigilante Deku arc is an almost perfect deconstruction of the 90s trend of edgy antiheroes. Deku's costume even begins to resemble characters like Venom and Spawn.
How is it a deconstruction when it doesn't say anything. As someone who has read a lot of comics the only thing that screamed anti hero was his costume getting jacked, nothing truly happened. I don't get how you can call it a deconstruction.
"Deconstruction" has become a buzz word. Every single show that is pretty good is called Deconstruction these days
@Jamal Hartley "Deconstruction" may not be the best word, but it seemed the best fit for an arc that simultaneously pays homage to and critiques an era of comics generally defined by loner anti-heros, x-treme aethetics (animalistic poses, torn clothes, accessories, claws, etc.), distrust of authority, and general nihilism. The story has been building up the cracks in hero society for it's entire run, and it finally comes to a head with the formation of the PLF, the failure to stop Shiguraki, and Dabi's public address. Midorya is then seemingly set up to fall into the life of a solo vigilante after his encounter with Lady Nagant, where he'd eventually be forced to gradually lose his humanity and resort to more violent means. The intervention of class 1-A not only pulls Deku out of his downward spiral, but also refutes the very notion of nihilism and solo anti-heros. And they do this not through some saccharine speech about hope and friendship, but by drawing on their shared experiences, acknowledging the failures of the hero society, forcing Deku to see his actions are driven by fear, and demonstrating how much more affective they are working together. It may seem a bit rushed, but I felt it was efficient and effective.
@@PainCausingSamurai I get that since this the first arc where Deku actually acts like a super hero 😅 so I get why some like it.
Although violent? Nah. The only thing edgy about Izuku was his costume. He saved a guy who tortured a little girl aka Overhaul during the Nagant fight. So I didn't see that downward spiral you talking about. Would've been cool if we got that though!
Plus that edge in the 90s was so short lived because it can't last. No one wants to read that every issue so it's focused onto characters who can carry that like Daredevil, Batman, Punisher, and the like.
I would say it's more of a subversion of 90s edgy antiheroes. Midoriya has been adamant and diligent in fighting villains and saving lives. So diligent in fact, he has begun to neglect self care and has isolated himself from his friends, family, and eventually All Might. He seems to act more like Batman, always vigilant, always out prowling the streets. He looks like a monster, but his actions are quite heroic, leading to mixed rumors in the masses.
Funny because to me it was my favorite arc that got me back into MHA. Ok maybe not favorite because USJ and Sport Festival are still better.
its a great concept but horrible execution
Deku is still too good for me i want him a little more realistic.
because this series is trash
@@raydygonzalez5714 its a shonen..
@@ClavinZKL And your point? Just because it's a Shounen manga, it doesn't mean that the hero/protagonist cannot be "realistic" or break away even a little from the standard mold.
Ok, so I was not the only anime only watcher who thought that 'is that it?' for the Vigilante arc of Deku... manga readers were hyping it down to the last second after the war arc... so my expectations were there.. and granted the fight scenes were cool and some might even be some of the best in the anime, but it felt like the whole Vigilante arc was going upwards into a climax, but then you realized this is the climax and it suddenly ended... it's like a riding a rollercoaster and you're climbing up only to realize once you're at the top that's were the ride ends and you're actually not sliding down...
Well, the thing is I absolutely agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I personally love Vigilante Deku and he looks awesome. But the only problem I see with this arc is Deku VS Class 1a because it arrived way to early in the story. I wish Horikoshi actually gave more time to develop this arc so Deku can finally be developed into his own character. Seriously though, we got some cool action fight scenes and it felt good seeing Deku become an entirely different person than he was a couple of seasons ago. But the problem with this arc in general is the wasted potential of Deku as a character. At this point, Horikoshi just wants to be done with MHA and nothing more.
As a manga reader it wasn't any better there either. I have no idea why some people were hyping it up.
Yeah I was expecting so much from vigilante deku but when I got to it it just felt like a kid ran away from home to the nearest playground then got picked up by his parents 4 hours later then went to bed
Midnight’s death was so glossed over, it was insulting.
Seeing people say this arc is “so dark” is laughable since no one noteworthy but Midnight died
Bakagou serves no other purpose in the story and hasn’t for a while. He is a weakling compared to the top now and Deku. He could’ve served a better character dying sacrifice himself to Deku
We shouldve seen these other heros with names, but side characters die in droves during the Decay Wave
If you didnt wanna touch class 1-A fine but even someone from class B losing their lives wouldve had a great effect.
Kendo, Pony, even Momura
Midnight died? I completely forgot 💀
@@thedestroyer5794exactly
can't really kill monoma off that easily cuz he's the reason why shigaraki didn't instantly one shot the entire verse yet
@@thedestroyer5794 the most irrelevant death in all of mha. I probably would've been a little more sad if it was gran torino dying or even all might dying in the final war arc
but nah bakugo wakes up from being dead and gets saved by edgeshot, gets a powerup and goes on to fight against prime afo
deku having rizz is enough for me
His character has no rizz though.
@@egbertmilton4003 He literally does
@@offensiveGame-Ing he has fake rizz. writer wanted deku to get bitches so he just wrote it in. deku still has no rizz.
@@mulanomula If Deku is getting bïtches then that means he has rizz bruh
@@egbertmilton4003 Deku pulled Uraraka without trying, how does he not have rizz?
I don’t doubt my hero academia vigilante has flaws, but I still love my hero academia.
Still honestly this was what I was waiting for and imo it’s the best we’ve gotten the animation in the fights was top notch, me and my coworker loved every second of it considering after work every Saturday night we would sit and watch it and it was simply badass deku and we loved it
Don't know about you, but for me I loved the "Vigilante Deku arc", definitively one of my favourite arcs in the entire series, i'm really surprised you preferer the "Joint training arc" more than the "Vigilante Deku arc", but hey! it's your opinion.
Hopefully one day I make a video going over my issues with the arc
I enjoyed it at first but when you actually watch it properly there are many holes
Personally I loved the start of the arc, but it just ended in a way that was so unsatisfying. I still like the arc, but man I really wanted some deep introspection from Deku and we just didn't get it :(
@@chromulus2225 I understand how u feel tbh and I hate how there is a lack of acknowledgement from the rest of the cast as students see their teachers DIE IN FRONT OF THEM
My problem with the arc was thanks to a misunderstanding of what was coming due to the fanbase. Everyone spoke do highly of the upcoming "vigilante" arc. So my expectations were for a Deku that was crueler, alone, and chased by the heroes. I wanted him to do things that he somewhat regretted and learn from his regrets. So I was definitely underwhelmed when he was basically no more than a sadboi who wouldn't let anyone love and support him
I mean yeah “vigilante arc” is definitely misleading
@@Lumberjack_kingit’s very misleading. It makes them think he’s leaving behind the flawed hero system that largely caused a lot of these problems and doing away with being an enforcer of the system and government and instead doing what he believes is morally right. But instead, he’s just being an antisocial workaholic who pushes everyone away to go solo
@@wizardwolf1020 ok
My biggest issue here is that For an Arc that is Named ‘Dark Deku’. Midoriya himself feels way too…Restrained. Like I’m not saying that he should Start brutalizing or killing people but I feel like he should be way more Spiteful and Even Pissed at the world throughout the Arc.
Maybe like,Deku always Had these thoughts but The people Of UA(both whom he looked up to and Looked up to him) kept his Rage in check. But now that they aren’t here,He lets out those feelings in the most cathartic way he can. Beating up People. And more dangerously People that by some means Deserve it.
Deku has always been a characters that has this very Raw and Almost Unabashed Rage(Like in his Fight with Shoto,or his fight with overhaul and more recently aginst Shigaraki and late AFO)
And it has always felt like an Anger that isn’t just something of the moment,But its something that Feels that it comes from the depts of his soul.
But no,Deku Has to be the Good Boi even when he Doesn’t have to be
All of these complaints could easily be fixed if it was just longer, if it was longer it could have enough time for the kids to empathize their teachers deaths etc.
honestly i found the villain hunt arc really enjoyable and am not saying that because it was only "raw" moments
i found good writting in this arc PERSONALLY
but even then this video does say some of my problems with this arc,
the all might and deku meeting,class 1As reactions, hawks wings and bakugos apology to a extend
i dont really think dekus character was "bastardized" or "ruined" per say but i 100% agree he SHOULD have more of a POV
i PERSONALLY believe he has more stuff in act 3 ( i feel like me saying that rised some eyebrows)
but at the same time his character devolpment feels "shackled"? i do believe his trauma is shown in his moment when he sees bakugos corpses (and the anime exclusive moment)
but damn i miss the interactions between the kids
but again thats just my opinion
great video! you did a amazong job covering some of my problems with the arc!
You seem very defensive of your point of view, friend. Don't be! We already know it's your opinion, we already know you PERSONALLY think this by merit of the fact that you're posting it yourself in the first place.
Cheers, be more confident!
@@rodrigoa.m3566 "You seem very defensive of your point of view, "
yeah thats my fault 😅
i got insulted and got into arguement a few times because i said my opinion in these types of videos because i kinda have a more positive few on mha then most
but you know what your right!
i should be more confident in myself, i just get a little anxeious because how much people can be aggressive, of course i dont think peopel are ALL like this, just a few bad apples
but again thank you!
your comment made me smile
@@AgentNero9 I'm glad to know :) with that, you bring a smile to me as well
Ehhh, I keep seeing the comments just defend Deku and one or two comments say: "Finally, I agree", but I just think, personally, that the War Arc and the Vigilante arc is just bad/rushed writing.
I'm not saying this to be mean or to discredit people's taste in anime shows. People can like what they like and I say this as someone who will finish MHA when the next season comes out. However, when I look back on both the war arc and the vigilante arc, I just see both arcs with bad writing. Sure, there are good points to the arcs, but, as an average anime goer that has invested time into MHA, I can point out the flaws that really bug me greatly in both arcs and I honestly believe that is just bad/rushed writing.
I don't blame Horikoshi entirely, he could be on a rushed schedule, but I am allowed to look at something I enjoy watching and say: "This could have been done much better."
Perfect arc. Dekus style is sick. Stain coming full circle with all might was sick.
bro did not watch the video😭
Perfect how?😭, Bro’s vigilante arc lasted three days💀
@@Forit26it went on for a couple weeks at least dude
shigaraki went from needing 4 months of training to get afo's full power and by the end of this arc it was 2 or 3 days
@@Forit26 Naruto war arc lasted 2 days
@@Jerome7-v5u Yes but that arc didn’t HAVE to last long for it to have add to the plot, deku’s arc did
Can totally see where you're coming from. I love this arc, but I can have problems with it. I know I really wished we got to see Deku unlock smokescreen, Fa Jin, and then train with them in some way rather then just having a good enough hand on them. I also think it's too short, and would've loved to see Deku vs Class 1-a have 2 battles. The first being where Deku gets away from them, and the second being the first, heck, maybe Endeavor and the others try and stop him after round 1.
I like it to because for me now that I think about it deku never really faced any real psychological conflict true becoming the new all might was something he had to go through but I don’t really count that and I feel the Dark Hero Arc was Deku’s true Physiological conflict because he’s at the lowest of the low he abandons everyone even all might and in a way abandons the identity of Izuku Midoriya becoming a shell of the person he once was and even though it is for a good reason to see them all happy. So in also another way the Dark Hero Arc was Deku’s Daredevil season 3
@@mickwoodfield9980 👍🏼
Mate, this is the anime where the training was “how about instead of focusing all power on one limb you...concentrate less AND spread it out?” and this BRILLIANT and NOT OBVIOUS realisation because the MC kept on BREAKING arms from punches.
Also: we literally have rewind healing atm in the story. No injuries matter. Aizawa couldn't even hold a flashback to her before cutting his own leg off.
We aren't even allowed to maybe be surprised for forgetting the ultra healing for a second.
Congrats, you’ve taken your first step into western comics where a guy just “needs to run faster” and heroes get out into healing comas all the time
Lmfao, he didn't have a flashback of Eri because of her "healing" he remembered Eri because if he died in the war, he would make Eri fall into depression like his friend did after he saved him and sacrificed himself.
Lmfao, there's no way some people think Aizawa had that flashback because of Eri's healing ability from her quirk 😂🙏
I think it was the best arc we've had in my hero academia in the anime for ages, maybe ever, the way they made the show look felt perfect for the arc and set the mood really well. My problem with cour 1 of s6 and all of s5 was that it felt like something big was missing, whereas in the Manga it felt so much more horrific and serious, I think it could have been the use of bright color that made it feel like the horrific scenes were much less emotional. The vigilante arc fixed this problem with the art style and more muted colors.
Though you may disagree with his points, at least agree that the reveal of OFA is rlly treated too lightly
As an mha fans the huge issue is that it was way too safe and it went with the Disney power of friendship route like mha just wasted it’s worldbuilding heavily deku could’ve explored the world more and realise how chaotic everything has become with him losing his insanity
There are so many things that are subjective in this video that it's hard to take seriously
Thought it was just me its like some points ok but the tone was very nit picky
Some where and i agree with most of it, the biggest objective points are a. The lack of physical and societal consequences, as they just do not exist after all the buildup and b. The trashing of the background can't, mainly 1-a and a few select heroes. If none or most of them wereent shown post s5 it would not have change a single thing up til now
Yeah, it's basically a video of him saying: This is how I wanted season 6 to go.
Then, he portrays it as failures of the season rather than portraying it as a subjective opinion.
The whole video can be summarised into one point, which is that he wishes the series would flesh things out more, which is more of a preference than a failure.
What a goofy comment section. The very nature of critique videos is that they are subjective. There are no 'objective' critiques.
@@lifestyle807
Not fleshing out your story is a preference not a failure? That alone made me not take this comment seriously.
7:08 So glad you pointed this out! I was waiting for at least 1 scene where Hawks would have an internal struggle about the information. Because on the one hand, he's looked up to Endeavor since childhood because he arrested Hawk's abusive father. But on the other hand, he just learned that his hero had abused his own sons. How do you deal with that? I know they're both professionals, #1 and #2 in Japan after all, but working together now has to be a tense situation...
All your points are very good and make sense. I do resonate with the same ideas that Midoriya has let himself become a tool and lost a sense of introspection. The power progression is also wild, although it’s something that I kind of saw coming and don’t really mind too much. Definitely the most egregious issue for me was how the characters kind of felt disconnected from their environment to a degree after the war.
For me, the most heartbreaking part of this arc was that fact that Class 1a came right after Deku. Like the arc was so short, we only got to see a little bit of Dark Deku. Like seriously, the arc should have been longer, and this should have been used to develop Deku as a character. The last time Deku had development was like when? I think it was somewhere 3 seasons ago.
Wrong about the stakes part I feel like because all might had a stomach injury and he didn't die and deku's durability and his acclimation to one for all just went up at least that's how I see it I mean plenty of stories have lessened their stakes so bad to specific dragon ball but it never harmed their stakes long term and there is a lot more amalgamation of problems with dbz but still ppl love it
The Dark Hero Arc should've delivered with its name. Have Deku be a brutal anti hero that seriously injuries any villain he finds but it isn't played for a power fantasy. The arc antagonist could be some normal person that sees Izuku hurting people as wrong and tries to stop him. Have him face someone that sees Izuku as a villain and it makes Deku remember why he wanted to become a hero in the first place, be a Symbol of Peace and not intimidate people to being good
Vigilante Arc was raw I literally saw no issues with it
First half was raw but the second half was way too rushed and ended underwhelmingly when there were plans for a lot more and bringing Deku back to his old self and all ok really wasn’t ideal especially after everything he went through and what happens later on really makes it all the more baffling on how this got rushed thanks to the bad editor among other things
Facts
Did you watch the video or comment before watching it
maybe watch the video still
@@jeffali5157 the manga itself is kinda being rushed, because its reaching the end of mha
i think none of these things where planned ahead of time and thats why its being rushed, next season is gonna bbe rushed too so prepare for tht..
Izuku Midoriya didn't fail as a character for me. Especially not in this arc
This video ain’t it. Rare dislike from me. Most of the points brought up are personal nitpicks that I don’t feel the community agree with or care about. Video lost me at “who cares about Miriko” 😭
wow, a video about someones opinion includes personal thoughts that other people might not agree with? revolutionary concept
Which of the points were nitpicks? Everything he said makes sense in the long run.
Personally I find it sad MHA is still being adapted into an anime whereas there are so many other mangas that truly deserve it instead.
It's not completely MHA's fault. MHA has over 400 chapters and the story has been dragged out for way too long. Honestly, MHA used to be peak but the series began to fall off when the war arc premiered. It honestly fell off when Stars And Stripes VS Shigaraki occured.
What do you recommend?
I think the entirety of act 3 of this series is being rushed. This arc is one of my favorites but it could have been the best if it wasn't limited to like 15 chapters. Characters should have had time to reflect on Dekus choice and not just be introduced when he needs to be saved. We should have seen more scenarios where deku is the only hero able to fight since Hawks got burned, Endeavor is traumatized, and other heroes are retiring left and right. I love this arc and what deku is in this arc. We just needed more time to let it all cook correctly
I found Deku really interesting from the beginning! I don't see where it's supposed to be that Deku has become less interesting and poorly developed! We must not forget that he is still a child! He doesn't have an easy life for a child!
Getting 6 new quirks and having his development come and go in around 20 chapters comes to mind
@@jeffali5157 kinda helps when said 6 quirks are pretty useless by themselves and aside from say Black Whip, the other quirks werent that hard to learn. Smokescreen, Danger Sense, Float, even Fa Jin and Gear Shift just needs readjustment since theyre just motions Deku has already done which were kinetic buildup shock and adjustment to speed
@@itsjustvin7630 float is the only one I would say in the grand scheme of things is pretty useless by itself, everything else has been helpful. He had a chance to be interesting but man was it underutilized. He isn’t bad, but man the way they did things for him isn’t ideal.
@@jeffali5157 like i said theyre useless by themselves. they hardly need mastering. hell danger sense and smokescreen doesnt really need mastering and fa jin and gear shift are motions deku is already used to
@@itsjustvin7630 fa Jin and gear shift did need some mastering even if the motions are familiar with what they could do. Though either way things got rushed so it wouldn’t have mattered if it needed mastering or not.
I agree with most of your points. This arc felt weak and I couldn’t explain why other than it felt super rushed and not fleshed out. Thanks for breaking it down!
That was why I fell off MHA. There weren't any consequences so I was just detached the entire time.
Why get emotionally invested if the stakes aren't legit?
If all I wanted was spectacle, I'd watch Dragon Ball Z or Super.
Clearly y'all are watching MHA with Ur eyes closed
Says the one watching with rose colored glasses
@@jeffali5157 I guess everyone but you has rose tinted glasses considering this is the most acclaimed arc in 4-5 years making Mha 6 the highest rated season of the series.
@@maximum8991 he brought legitimate points on why the arc didn’t do nearly as well as it could’ve been and you still think he’s watching it with his eyes closed. The arc wasn’t awful but anyone without rose colored glasses can see this arc still had issues and was rushed thanks to the bad editor and higher ups at jump among other things as well as how it brought even more problems later on. And this is far from the most acclaimed arc in 4-5. That goes to the PLW arc itself. Season 6 was obvious gonna be highly rated due to the highly anticipated war arc.
@@jeffali5157 Just be glad we got it animated and not dropped dropped or butchered like some other animes
@@jmanruules compared to other adaptations, they followed it well in the manga, but that doesn’t change the fact that this arc was still heavily rushed and flawed in the second half, and it’s gonna get worse from here
MHA fans jus ignore writing flaws and inconsistency in motive and literally how Deku hasnt earned shit to be so “powerful” cuz they enjoy how colorful it is or some bullshit
Ngl I wish the anime changed the art up more.
Look at bleach TYBW, they got a new artstyle, red sky, made scenes more gray, black and white at times even all for the tone. And this which is meant to be the dark arc?
Bright blue sky
You have such strong, well thought-out, solid points it’s hard to disagree with you lol, and yet this show created such a complex story and history, however, the characters seem to skip exposition for the sake of nothing. Endeavor has literally done illegal things to his wife and kids, yet no one gave a shit. There’s absolutely no trauma or lingering trauma from other things, which takes away the potential depth this show could have. It’s fun it’s shonen, so it’s simple. What can ya do?
Finally, someone with a working brain in this comments section. Honestly, everyone's standards in story-telling is actually concerning, at this point. You can love a story but still say: "Hey, this story is still bad/could have been written better."
@@NA-ud6qm yeah, you can’t just write fucked up shit and have your characters forget about it lol
I love MHA, the Dark Deku or Vigilante arc used to be one of my favourites in the entire manga, and seeing it animated really increased my love for the arc. However, after watching this video, i can totally agree with a lot of your points, and see all the flaws that this arc has.
Although I dont considerate it to be one of the worst arcs (not even close), i can know see that it isnt as perfect or as good in terms of quality and content as I thought, its Coolness and Epic stuff for the most.
I always thought Horikoshi really accelerated the course of events in the history after the War arc. I really wanted the "Vigilante Arc" to last a little bit longer, just to see Deku fighting and learning how to use his quirks prior the Lady Nagant fight, because i really felt that the way Deku adapt to his new quirks was waaaaay to fast.
But after listening to your points, i really see how much potential this arc wasted by making things happen so fast. Like you said, the characters in My Hero Academia felt real in the previous arcs, and seeing how all the events that happened after the war really didnt make them different, its kinda stupid. I especially agree with how the OFA reveal was really dissapointing.It's like the only reason to do this was to make the Pro Heros understand quickly the importance of Deku and to make the history go from act 2 to act 3 without further problems.
We didnt see the reactions of Class 1A, what they would think about Midoriya after knowing that he literally had All Might's power. I wanted them to feel sad or angry to Midoriya to keeping this secrets (Even though Shoto said something about feeling angry that Midoriya didnt tell him his secret, it really isnt enough).
I even think that some of the students could feel envy and demerit Midoriya for having a Quirk that makes him literally All Might, making all his achievements be less thanks to his ingenuity and hardwork, and more to the quirk. This could even trigger characters like Ochaco, Iida, Todoroki and Bakogou to defend Deku, especially Bakugou since he has seen just how mucho Deku has changed and has work, and how he doesnt care about himself and is willing to sacriffice his dream to fulfill OFA mission. This would've added a lot of content to the class 1-A. We could've seen this in any moment of the arc, heck, even at the start of the Dark Deku arc, when everyone read Midoriya's letter.
This comment is already way too long, but i want to say that i also agree with you in how Deku should've had some introspection and more time to think about Bakugou's apology.
Even though im sad for all this missed potential. I still like and enjoy the Dark Deku arc, and even with all his flaws, i think Deku is a great character and i really love him.
Dark Deku is not the worst arc in MHA, it can feel that way by seeing how much potential it wasted, a thing this video really demonstrates.
This arc was amazing and its funny that people already are jumping the gun to downplay it. Figures how MHA hate will never cease. This arc was not about those features, this arc was about creating more depth into midoryas character. Sure there was some missed elements that cannot ALL be covered. This isnt one piece, we dont have time to display all of the occurences. Stop downplaying an amazingly written arc by ignoring WHAT THIS ARC IS ABOUT
I dunno. What do YOU think this arc is about?
please name me two things that had further his past developments in that arc ( i love this arc but cmon). I'm not some pedantic or highly critical on every series i watch but surely you didn't feel that more was needed for this. abrupt and erratic timing with no development other than his ideal to safe everybody by just leaving them to not get hurt.
@@whochangemyname6977 Fleshing out MORE dekus character by showing how his greatest strength can also become his greatest weakness.
@@famousfox6318 This arc is to show that dekus main ideal, the very reason he was given One For All, was also his greatest weakness. This arc was also to show that he is still a human teen and how the responsibility of this power which he accepted with such earnest due to his "hero disorder" is not something that ONLY HE has to shoulder and how damaging on his body that responsibility is to shoulder. This arc also was to flesh out the parallels between the antagonists and also show the aftereffect of the previous arc.
It’s not ignoring what the arc is about, it’s more how it’s executed. Deku pretty much has everyone else talk no jutsu him and accomplish his OWN problems without his own introspective of it. He didn’t have any reflection on the consequences of going rogue or any reflection on his friendship with Bakugou and everyone else in the class. Everyone else talks about his own problems and acknowledge it except himself.
How are you supposed to properly change if YOU YOURSELF don’t recognize your negative mindset? After PLW the series is getting rushed, and it’s shown by stuff like SnS and the video points this out. If the arc was dedicated to adding more depth to Deku character, it executed in a very poorly matter. This video isn’t even hating on MHA, it’s just not being biased to the series and genuinely pointing at flaws in the writing after PLW.
but he did cool things 🥺
The worst is that Horikoshi wanted to make it much more dramatic… but studio told him he can't… this ark also was meant to be much longer
I still love it🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only thing I liked about this arc is Lady Nagant.
Honestly this was my favorite arc
I am honestly surprised at the fact some comments are like "I agree it was short"...is that really what most people think? Just "short"? I remember when the manga went through the arc and everyone was throwing hands at each other because it not only was short, it also had the worst rushed closure for an arc that had SO much potential. Though I get it, by implying it was a short arc it lacked many things people would have liked to see but COME ON! My Hero Academia has the most toxic fandom and you expect me to believe they are calmly agreeing it was short??
I was there when all videos on this arc in the manga had a comment section full of hate. I was expecting a worse storm when the anime aired and surprisingly I haven't seen it blow up like it should have. It could also be that people who simply watch the anime don't care for plot and such...or left soon after this arc ended, can't judge them tho.
do you have any friend?
Something else to nitpick about since Mirio was brought up:
We got told Deku basically HAD to be the one to get One For All because only a quirkless wielder would be able to withstand the quirk overload. That's why all the earlier vestiges died young. Mirio was treated like he even COULD have gotten OFA without keeling over in five years. So, that whole plot point was just lip service and, I think, retconned since it really was treated seriously, like All Might actually would/could have and seriously thought about giving OFA to Mirio. But he knew he couldn't. He knew he needed to find another quirkless person to pass it on to, and even then it might be too late, OFA is too big, and Deku is probably the last possible wielder of it.
So. What was Mirio's character for again? Because the whole 'foil' situation got ripped to shreds a few arcs later. Horikoshi legit defuncted a perfectly good character. Almost a whole arc, even. The only reason Overhaul (and Eri, by extension) is still story-relevant is because the quirk-cancelling drugs he made were being used in later chapters against significant characters. Now, Mirio could just be wiped from the story and we wouldn't really lose anything because his character was made pointless with just that one, tiny inclusion. It's Naruto all over again, guys... Mirio is officially what I like to call manga-filler. No story significance whatsoever. Cool.
Thank you for pointing out two things thst bothered me about this arc:
1. The lack of reactions to Midoroya having One For All.
2. Deku unlocking so many quirks so quickly.
The pacing was so fast there was hardly any time to breathe and make time for these important developments.
Although i enjoyed the Dark Hero Arc i can stand by a lot of the content of this video i've always thought that the arc was way too short and it should've added more time for the cast to reflect more on what went wrong in their respective journeys a bit more in depth i hate how major plot points that involved destructive or morally gray actions within the cast were just completely accepted by the main cast without a mention but if Deku could've had even a little more introspection and not have just flipped his switch into normal mode after an Iida handshake just feels too rushed for me I think the class should've failed to reach Deku the first time & forced Deku to realize his bad habits on his own after seeing how him putting himself in danger affects his loved ones & that would also give other cast members more time to reflect & converse with each other over the recent plot points from the war then we could get the Deku save scene but that's just fan fiction cuz i wanted this arc to be even more personal for Deku & the cast Hori at least should've added another arc before the final battle arc because i can't help but feel the transition from the Dark Hero Arc was really rushed
Oh my goodness facts. I was wondering why at the end of the season I literally said "Oh, so that's it".
It really felt episodic instead of a continued story. For example, It was like Jiraya dying and Naruto balling his eyes out for 1ep and then going back to training the next.
It just seemed like a highlight reel each episode instead of a story.
Nowhere near as bad as but similar to God of Highschool
L honestly. This is the most peak My Hero Academia has been since the All Might vs All For One fight
W for the guy..this guy was average but good
Peak MHA is still mid.
I honestly think that Hori is going to let Izuku reflect while fighting and ending the fight. Its rushed and too late but he might just do that.
They clearly want to make my heros pacing better than other anime like the big 3, but they don't seem to know when to slow it down, this could have been longer to show how these events effected people and how they grow from it and to see more character interactions but they kept at their 25 episode pase for no real reason other than consistency I guess, they should have done something longer like the big 3 and other anime ppl like to complain about at least 10 more episodes would have been nice
But I don't see anything wrong with the Vigilante Deku's Arc, and I loved it no matter what
Other than the fact that wasn't even really a vigilante?
@@redninja3056 finally someone gets it. its called Dark Hero not Vigilante. that title respectfully goes to Knuckleduster, Pop Step, and Crawler
If you personally like it then more power to ya, but there were issues with it.
The arc was wasted like literally this was a perfect chance for world building and they wasted all for his class to come in and say your my friend bullshit like they could’ve dove deeper into Dekus mental state and how he feels but they make a joke of that and don’t consider it like this arc was wasted and the last episode was god awful like overall this season is a 6/10 a lot of wasted potential
@@Omen_Rocks123 well I still loves it, I still don't see the reason why
Im actually really happy you said “it isnt he’s licensed” because I never understood why people called it the vigilante deku arc 😭
The only time Deku could have been considered a vigilante was with stain. Deku had a license during the whole “vigilante” arc, which means that by law, hes not a vigilante. Vigilantes are people who act as heroes without a license.
The arc was great
Almost nothing went wrong
Issue with this that it’s too short and it hypes deku doing something he will regret or going down a darker path but he never does heck we don’t even see him have a crazy breakdown
I'm saddened to say that the majority will not agree witjh you, because judging by the most popular MHA fiction, what people want is not resolving emotional problems, but seeing an edgy, dark, cruel vigilante Izuku, and how he's better and cooler than literally everyone else c:
Me? I agree with you. Don't give a shit about Deku, to me the character lost its essence the moment secondary quirks came into picture.
Oh, btw, you know what also was completely disregarded? That tiny bitsy bond between Nargant and Overhaul. But who needs that with Deku on the main screen, right?
I need for the heroes to have consequences for their bad actions just like the villains get
Many got killed by shigaraki lol
@@jasonblack2477no one prevalent or that the readers cared about lol
This arc was so frustrating to me I remember every week as it came hoping they were finally going to address the midnight situation or have something happen to endeavor and then class 1-a arrives at the battlefield and that was when I realized that the characters I wanted to see develop were not getting it. I also feel like is arc is good if you're a deku stan but not for many other people.
I think this exact reason and scenario is why I haven’t watched any anime in like 3-4 months. Everytime I have an opinion or really liking something I’m either told by the “fans” it’s mid or the manga is better, let people enjoy shit why is this such a crazy concept to some of yall😂
Why does other people having opinions affect your enjoyment? You can still really like something even if people are criticizing it or calling it mid. No one is forcing you to get into debates with the “fanbase.”
Nah , this arc was lit 🔥 and Deku getting rizz was lit 🔥
I have enjoyed everything thus far. As much as i can appreciate and understand your opinions on this you also have to remember that any book whether it is a novel, comic or manga it can take a toll the longer you go. Some like akira toriyama can keep pushing the story but as tge creator of mha has put out hes looking for an end and hopefully the right end (*cough cough* AoT disappointing even though the whole story is amazing) so yea we can breakdown all disappointments but i mean we cant put ourselves in shoes of a creator who has been pushing mha for quite awhile. I feel alot of people expect way too much. Yea could we get alot more? Sure but why push fillers that most could care less about (note if they did some OVAs to cover that id be all for it) they are gonna skip alot to push the story to its end. Good bad or indifferent i feel the resolve of tge end of this amazing story will all in all give a good end. Whether it be what we hoped for since tge beginning or it be the end of AFO and OFA (imo it would be sad but it would give a good completion to the journey we started) sorry wanted to put my opinion out there but i do appreciate this video and definitely understand where people would be coming from
You can seperate the real world problems of creating something with the fact that the creation is flawed, mid, or downright awful. Poor production situations make poor stories, but the story is still poor, and you CAN break it down, critique, and talk about the good AND bad aspects of the final product. It's asenine to think otherwise
One of the biggest mistakes of this ark is not only the length of it and how short of a a time we spent on it as a whole, but also the way we had gotten to deku deserting class 1-a to fight the escaped villains. Deku leaving just to protect his friends kind of diminished his character a bit by making him think that they are weak and need to be protected by him. i think a much better way to start off the ark is to show how the after math of the war affected all of the students and teachers. shoto would now have to deal with the fact that dabi is his brother and his family’s secret being exposed to the world and reliving the trauma he faced throughout his childhood. also if endeavor would have his hero license suspended and removed as the # one hero to be investigated for the crimes he committed on his family which would have negative consequences for shoto. his portion of the ark would be to mend his relationship for him and the rest of his family so they could work together to help his father after fully mending their relationship. Bakugo should be put incapacitated from the war. Momo should have to face with the trauma and grief of losing both of her teachers and after talking with shoto to bring her out of depression have a drive to get stronger and protect the people around her. these are just some examples of dealing with the aftermath of the war, a large portion of them probably also training. now deku has a lot that should be reworked to make his character arc more interesting. first thing is removing the whole extra quirk thing from deku’s arsenal. at first it was cool seeing him train and use these new techniques one by one like he did with black whip, but at some point the quirks started feeling redundant and just a escape goat for deku when one for all wasn’t enough. it took out the intensity and creativity in mha fights. instead deku going on a journey of self discovery to find a way to heal his arms by looking for someone who has a quirk that could effect a persons dna or cells that way it could heal beyond just what healer girl can fix. after some convincing through heroics, deku would have his arms fully healed back to they were before he first started using his quirk and bc of the power that one for all had done to his body, along with the side effects of having his genes and cells tampered with, his latent quirk would be activated forcefully while fighting a villain as a defense mechanism. this quirk would either be unique to deku like the ability to regenerate lost limbs, or a more powerful version of his mother’s telekinesis. this would lead to him training to control this new unfamiliar quirk giving us a mini training arc were we see him slowly grow stronger and more proficient in this new ability, extending the length of the arc even further. the second change to deku in this arc that i believe should be changed is dekus motivation for leaving. u.a. and the japanese government knowing how danger’s giving one for all over to the villains would be would force them to keep deku at u.a. and restricting his movement so they could keep a close eye him. after having a fight with all might over the matter deku would have a small conversation with the more important members of the class seeing how distraught they are after all that happened during the war. later that night he would leave causing everyone to be worried on what’s happening and forcing the hero society to suspend his hero license for disobedience and condemn him as a vigilante. deku would now be forced to work completely alone for the first on a mission to find someone to heal his arms and capture all the escaped convicts to try to find all for one and shigiraki. the third thing is more of a personal nit pick of the series but in my hero it never really feels like any consequences stick with the characters so i believe that giving deku some trauma to work with to give him a reason to fight his heart out and giving us a side of deku we’ve never truly seen before we’re he’s full of pure hate and anger( aka pulling a gege😅). the most effective way for this in my opinion is for him to find out that his mother was caught in the crossfire during the war and either killed or put in critical condition. this would also give him a reason to develop his mothers telekinesis as character development. the 4th thing i would change is after deku returns all might and ochoku would have a talk with deku increasing there relationship for both. also deku would be punished for deserting u.a. but nothing to severe bc of deku being a trump card for the hero’s. im also removing the bath scene since it’s kind of unnecessary😂. even tho i’ve made some big changes to the arc and the series i still love mha and the arc itself just have some light problems so do get to offended if you disagree me as it’s just my opinion.
Considering most of the students got blasted by AFO and Shiggy, he really wasn’t wrong
Talking fast doesn't make you special.
I don't think he talks fast on purpose, I also talk fast and it's normal. He doesn't think he is special, he is only saying his opinion.
He has his and you have yours, there's no need to be rude.
(Sorry if you can't understand correctly, I'm using Google translate)
Strongly disagree with Endeavour point and disagree to almost all point except
Society reaction and Midoriya powerup and genuinely feel like rushing point to ending
I honestly think that the last time Horikoshi poured his heart and soul into MHA was the villain arc, which flashed out everyone involved and elevated Shigi to the level of proper, serious threat - as well as being a point when this character finally found himself.
Everything afterwards starting with "child soldiers" arc feels like Horikoshi being burned out HARD, and just going full-on "fuck it, i don't care anymore" mode, trying to end the story as fast as he can. Ridiculous plot armor, over-reliance on tropes (MHA's initial success was because it wasn't molded into shonen tropes that much) utterly DESTROYING worldbuilding with stars-n-stripes having essentially power of REWRITING REALITY... while also being killed in the second chapter after she got to japan.
I prefer to think that MHA ended with villain arc. It honestly makes everything better.
It's interesting that a video like this exists considering there is another relatively popular video that feels like the war arc was poorly done in relation to the villain hunt.
People put themselfs way into their own views that they refuse to watch another point of view. Thats how the toxic side of the community grows, not just shippers but people who think their opinion is better than the rest.
I mean honestly the arc being short does make some sense in the story. Class 1-A were gonna start acting as soon as possible, which makes sense. Even if it took them a few days to get in touch with Endeavour, to justify this arc being longer than a day.
Also, this arc is noticably more fast paced. Bam, wham, new quirk, Muscular, some villain fighting there, wham, off screen villain, Kamui woods and Mt. lady are now in on the secrets, Wham.
That is by design. It is meant to be fast paced and non stopping because that's how Deku feels, and once he is brought back, things return to the more normal pace. Asking for the arc to be longer is valid, but you are either asking to slow down and stretch out this intentinally fast paced arc, or you are asking to make things longer with the same fast pace full of mind numbing action
it would have been fine if everything that wasn't adressed during the arc wasn't swept under the rug forever
4:36 "Who the fuck cares" isn't a good defense, the woman lost two fucking limbs.
One of my biggest gripes about Deku and One for All is that the quirks contained within OFA are borderline useless on their own. Aside from maybe Black Whip, most of them almost feel like they were made in order to ehance Deku specfically. Take, for example, smokescreen, how in the hell was this guy a pro hero? Float and Danger Sense also fall under this category; Float less so, but even still, when people have the ability to shoot explosions out of their hands or manipulate their teeth into piercing blades, floating around the battlefield ain't gonna do shit. and when your *only* quirk is to sense malicious danger, tf is that gonna do for you? it'll let you know when AFO is after you, and maybe if you're about to get jumped, but you're not becoming a pro hero w that. It feels incredibly unlikely that people with C tier support quirks make up the majority of the users of OFA, espcially when you consider that this quirk is being hunted by the most formidable man on the planet. It really breaks my immersion in Deku, as well as the worldbuilding MHA set up. It makes OFA feel incredibly empty, and with lack of explaination as to how the former users actually operated in their prime, I could care less about them, and I dont see MHA taking the time to craft unique stories about their golden ages.
Did you even read the manga or watch the anime? The hero society was nowhere like what it was pre-All Might. Anyone could use their quirk freely that time as we saw. Plus All Might mentioned, the reason AFO didnt suspect they had one for all is because their main quirks were so weak, he didn't care or they were simply not noticeable
@@aymaanhasan9550 Hero society still existed before All Might, it wasn't a lawless land before he came into being. UA has been around forever, and they've always trained the best-of-the-best heroes, I'm not sure you where got the quirk free-use thing from.
That aside, it still doesn't take away from the fact that Deku is no longer interesting. Giving him amplified support quirks on top of his already over-powered main quirk only hurt his character narratively. Before Deku began manifesting other quirks, the entire premise of the series was watching him grow into something he was never meant for-- and watching him carry on despite that. Now, he has quirks that let him use 100% without consequences and that takes away the foundation My Hero set with its storytelling.
The whole reason I hate mha is the relationship between deku and bakugo, until that shits addressed properly I wont be watching.
i really enjoyed it personally
As much as I get the points being brought up, I also believe we dont need to be told EVERYTHING. As a viewer we don't always need our hands held to try and understand how the characters are affected by something. It is something that we can assume based off of their decisions/actions. And as the story progresses maybe it will be more pronounced. Maybe a little flashback looking back at the events that unfolded. But not everything needs to be said. They can be implied.
Unfortunately I think it all came down to the show being on its last legs having a limited amount of seasons and episodes to run for and possibly having to put a major focus on to what can be considered the main plot and put aside some of the other things that might not be as important to push the story forward.
edited: youtube got rid of the fact I said "my opinion", thanks youtube. also moved this edited note up here so people can see it first
I don't normally comment on videos but i need to get my thoughts on this out, in my opinion (because that is a thing I am allowed to have) this is a hot take (notice how i said "I think" and not just "this is") and before I go on to my reasoning as to why i think this is a hot take I want to say that if you or anyone else replies to this with their opinion I will not argue with you because that is what it is, your opinion. I, unlike some twitter people, tend to respect people's opinion.
now onto why I think this is a hot take, and I will break it down similarly as you
first, the consequences, now the fact that you say that there are no consequences is honestly ludicrous to me as the villain hunt arc and the decrease in heroes are a consequence in itself as it only happened because AFO shigaraki escaped. Just because there is no death doesn't mean there is no consequence, gran torino may still be alive but that doesn't mean he's fine, Bakugo was never really hit in any severe spot other than his abdomen which is why he's fine and the reason that deku's arm are somewhat fine is because one, his body can handle more of one for all and the last time he used it at 100%, and two, because he also used blackwhip as a sort of brace. side note about the red bracers, they are not randomly introduced for convenience, they were made by melissa shield from the first movie which is canon, like the other two movies. furthermore saying the decay wave didn't kill anyone is false as we see number six hero crush be it's first victim and, as of right now the wild wild pussycats are unaccounted for except for ragdoll as she couldn't participate in the first place
second, the endeavor and hawk issue, the disinterest in one for all and midnight's death can easily be condensed down to the fact that there's simply not enough time to talk about it, or there's more pressing matters to attend to like the fact that the greatest villain and his successor's location are, in the current point of the anime, currently unknown. I'm sure after the second war is over I'm sure it'll be addressed but at the moment they have to stay focused on the task at hand and they can't let stuff like that get in the way.
third, the negative opinions on deku having multiple quirks are valid and understandable, however story wise it makes sense as one for all on its own can't beat all for one as we've seen with him killing six out of the seven users and severely injuring all might twice while losing virtually nothing. moreover the easy master of each of the quirk isn't really a problem story wise as they're not meant to be used individually but in combination with each other, as we clearly see deku struggle to do as he hasn't mastered using them together on instinct yet in both the lady nagant fight and in the endeavor agency arc, and fa jin hasn't stop deku training to handle one for all's full power because all fa jin does is give him a boost in speed due to the momentum he builds up. And I believe the reason deku hasn't had an introspective about his self destructive nature and his hero disorder is because it hasn't been resolved yet, class 1-A bringing him back didn't resolve it as he was still full on willing to go back to what he was doing until uraraka spoke up. he still believes that it's a fight between one for all and all for one and to be honest, it will always be a fight between those two quirks, class 1-A will just make is easier to carry that responsibility and burden. This is why I also think that deku is OP done wrong is a hot take, if you want me to explain why i think that feel free to ask.
fourth, the fact that you think the apology is a failure, in my opinion, undermines one of, if not the most, prominent character developments in the story, which is bakugou and his relationship with deku. when we are introduced to bakugou is he arrogant and cocky, believing he is better than everyone and more importantly deku, during the first training arc in we see his cockiness and overall pride get crushed as he realises that there are people on the same level if not are better than him, especially with deku. this sparks his determination in the sports festival arc to prove that he is better than everyone, which only crushes his pride more when he didn't get to prove it, hell their relationship is the whole reason they were paired up in the final exam arc. we see him reach his breaking point in his second fight with deku as he slightly opens up to deku, which in turn made deku realise that while he knows bakugou, he doesn't know how he thinks or feels, this fight allowed both of them to get a better understanding of each other and in turn, their relationship grew from the hateful one we saw at the start, to the traditional rivalry we all know in shonen, we then see him open up to all might during a flashback when deku's training for the future quirks he'll get and that he still cares about deku. the apology is the first time that he's ever spoken about his feeling fully to deku, which is why deku never said anything as he is in shock
finally, I'll talk about the all might and bath scene together and I'll try to keep it short, the bath scene is the first time they, and more importantly deku, can relax, so talking about anything serious would bring down the mood and, like I said earlier, then have more pressing matters so they would waste the one time they to relax, same thing with uraraka standing up for deku. and deku never blamed all might for not being there, he was more so blaming himself because he was the one that pushed him away to begin with and apologising for that while also not bringing down the mood.
overall, that's why I think this is a hot take, sorry this was so long i had a lot of though on this and if you disagree I understand and will not argue with you, I just hope that you understand where I'm coming from because it's okay to have different opinions on things, it's all about perspective.
You pretty much said it all, my friend. Thanks!
@@AbStar_xx no probs, again it's all about perspective, there's no right or wrong.
One of the biggest questions I've been asking was: Where's Moonfish? I mean, you can't exactly ignore one of the deadliest of the VASLV second only to Muscular.
I've reached the end of season 6 and reached the end of MVA of the manga, and this is something I need to know.
He is gonna show up in the final war arc helping the villains, he only gets a few panels though
Well this arc was that bad huh
After where we are in the war arc, I feel like the vigilante arc was the last good one. The war arc has been ass ngl. I can tell Horikoshi is over it and wants to get started on that horror manga.
You hit a lot of good point in this video 👏. Keep up the good work.
This has ALWAYS been the biggest problem I've had with My Hero: the main hero Midoriya is SEVERELY UNDERDEVELOPED. He doesn't ever actually reflect on the Hero Society he's in until this Arc, and it's so sudden too. He immediately starts recognizing things as nuanced simply off his fight with Lady Nagant, and even that doesn't really change much on his overall goals or methodology in being a Hero.
He has noticed it tho, I think the point was building on all those experiences till it came to a head in the current arc
From Stain to Gentle, and even Endeavor he’s noticed the cracks in hero society little by little, he just never got focus on it other crazy sh*t happening
@@JDWalker495 The heck does that matter?! My issue is that this is a flaw upon Horikoshi's writing in of itself. If he knew better, he'd have made time for Deku to express these thoughts out, and be able to reflect upon these ideologies.
@@TheGloryXros its called my hero academia not my political academia also before u blame the author writing might try improve your reading comprehension :D
@@eggt1836 The heck are you talking about?!
@@eggt1836 what the hell do you mean you bozo! what a loose, strawman's argument. The author clearly tries to portray societal issues during all of his work. You're either blind, stupid or openly malicious (I would guess the former, since you so gratuitously went ahead and insulted Xros for his take) if you deny that fact.
No one who criticizes the show or manga for falling flat on decently portraying this from time to time is wrong for doing so.
Criticism should come from an analysis of intent. The author clearly intends to show nuance with the inequality of the fictional society and setting he's built - THE MAIN CHARACTER is an instance of that, for god's sake: He's a literal have-not. A quirkless individual who struggled, suffered and has been told to kill himself by his classmate for it before.
"Improve your reading comprehension" my ass, grow up, you actual child.
Way too short and It felt like deku could of had a much darker outcome at the end of it. Maybe he had to face a dilemma between killing a villan and saving someone or having an innocent person die. Now that would of been an interesting choice he could of made.
I find it a tad ironic that this popped up in my feed when it did, given I'm working on a My Hero Academia video currently.
It's something I'll cover there, but as someone who has read the entire manga thus far, this is the best arc in the manga, minus the Sports Festival Arc. It has so much going on, while also giving you those "badass" character moments that you want from a shonen. I think the only issue with it is the fact that it is too short, as it's only a handful of both chapters and episodes. But those episodes single handedly carried Season 6, making up for the uninteresting animation that consisted of the majority of Part 1 of Season 6. The war arc is phenomenal in the manga, enticing and exciting, and has it's moments in the anime with animation, but was overall disappointing in terms of adaption and animation quality, especially compared to Bones other work, Mob Psycho.
The Dark Hero arc, on the other hand, was more so a return to the form present in the Stain Arc with the dark and gritty atmosphere, intense and moving character moments (such as with the conclusion to both major fights of the arc, Lady Nagant vs Deku and Class 1-A vs Deku), and overall a breakdown of everything we've seen leading up to it. It is the final busting point of Deku's character growth that has been pointed out time and time again, and that is that he tries to do and win everything by himself. Here, that character trait is tackled head on, confronted, and overcome. He doesn't care for his own self, and puts others so far above himself, that he's ended up beaten and battered at the end of every major fight. We see how he has affected all the characters leading up to this moment, and how they now see him going down the same path many of them had been on in the first place, and the relationship comes full circle. It's a lot to break down in a have rant have ramble TH-cam comment such as this one, but I personally don't think the anime nor the manga failed this arc in any compacity besides the length.
Regardless, great video, keep up the good work, and have a great day!
EDIT: Also, a lot of the gripes you brought up in "The Consequences" do ultimately get mentioned later in the manga. Not going to go into detail, but basically everything you've mentioned does ultimately get addressed, but Horikoshi did not use the Dark Hero arc to do so.
No they don't...
@@AsarathaHSYT They do, though? Gonna leave this in the form of two replies, this one, which declares my intent to respond, and another, which has my response as well as specific chapters for point of reference.
@@AsarathaHSYT I realized in the middle of typing this that combing through nearly 60 15-page chapters to find specific character moments would be both a hassle and a waste of time; however, still want to offer the response anyways. SPOILERS AHEAD, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED).
Sometime after the Dark Hero arc, Tokoyami has a few key character moments, and in those moments he directly reflects on Hawks actions, given he is Tokoyami's mentor, and reconciles with his mentor's actions and offers his own response to said actions. (Believe this is in one of the most recent chapters).
Throughout the manga following Dabi burning Hawk's back, he is shown to be less physically capable throughout almost the entirety of the next 50+ chapters. Including in the most recent fight against All-For-One with multiple comments being made about his lacking strength. He's visibly weaker from how he was during the Nomu fight. Not to mention that Gran Torino has been out of the limelight ever since, as far as I recall (although, I do agree it would have been a better story development had he been killed). Miriko is the only one who has made a somewhat full recovery with the use of robotic limbs, but even her strength is stunted, as again seen. It's hard to portray those sorts of things in manga format without the use of dialogue calling it out, but the anime did a great adaptation of Hawks saving Nagant and then needing saving himself because of him being physically weaker after his fight.
The gauntlets are present in I believe two of the movies (I know they are in the first one), and are plot devices used to allow him to surpass his limits, although he ultimately broke them by the end of the film. It's not unthinkable that they could be brought over in canonicity with the manga and anime. But, outside of that, he was in a comma for a while, with top-notch medical procedures being enacted on him daily, the same for Bakugou. And, given Deku's increased strength, it's not unthinkable to also believe that his body has become more resistant to the damage his quirk leaves behind, especially when he's able to control it much better subconsciously. Horikoshi has fully dedicated to injuring his characters on multiple instances, Sir Night Eye and Mirio being an example, but in a world with quirks and technology that surpass our own, much faster recovery is not, again, out of the realm of possibility, especially since, as seen with Mirio, someone like Eri can physically reverse a person back to before the injury. Another good example is Aizawa, who again has been permanently injured, and remains that way up into even the most recent chapters. Bakugou and Deku, being younger and full of youthful vigor, can heal a lot quicker with the use of quirks like the nurse from UA. I don't know anyone who feels "betrayed because of their investment" because a character wasn't killed off, because regardless there are still permanent implications for many of the characters involved.
The death of Midnight is constantly mentioned and referenced by the students who witnessed it in later chapters, especially Mina and Momo, who use it as inspiration going forward for their heroics, as they don't want to witness anything like that again. This isn't just conjecture, either, multiple sets of dialogue throughout various chapters with these two reference her death.
All of these things you had gripes with the Dark Hero arc not presenting are presented throughout the course of the following 50+ chapters. I agree that I think they could have chosen to tackle them during the Dark Hero arc, given it's immediacy, but to say they didn't cover it at all is not true.
@@wickynii Tokoyami did not think a single time on Hawks' actions. The reason you didn't want to comb through the manga for it was because it doesn't exist. I am up to date with the manga. I in fact, just last month, reread the entire final act. It didn't happen a single time.
I am aware that Hawks' is said to be physically weaker, but the story never delivers on that. You never feel "man if Hawks were in better shape this war would be going differently!" and instead we get a half baked "he has prosthetic wings now" explanation for the lack of consequences on his back.
You wrote a big paragraph about Midoriya explaining stuff that doesn't actually say how there are consequences for his actions.
The death of Midnight is not constantly mentioned. You're just wrong, again, like the Tokoyami stuff.
@@AsarathaHSYT I will say, it’s not a good look for a TH-camr to be so openly antagonistic to his viewers, even when disagreeing with or being disagreed with. Regardless, the same is true for me: I’m current, own all the manga, reread it multiple times, and read it weekly on SJ.
I could, in fact, go through and reread the entirety of the last 60 chapters again just to prove that it happened, or maybe I’m schizo and just completely misremembered 🤷♂️
Regardless, I find it beyond petty to go through and reread 60+ chapters to prove some denizen of the internet wrong. I didn’t do it because it’s a monumental task, not because I “know it didn’t happen”. If it didn’t happen, again, guess I’m just schizo. Not worth wasting much time over. But I’ll stick with my view point of “yeah, it happened” until I reread through it again eventually and decide otherwise.
The comments overwhelmingly disagree with you outside of my own, as well, and as someone who is very passionately detail oriented, the mentioning, or technically lack thereof, of prior events in the war arc in the dark hero arc made me a bit curious upon initial read given I also was a bit upset, or more so confused, as to why it was absent when it seemed so forefront. If I am wrong, no harm no foul, at the end of the day it ultimately doesn’t matter, especially when the story going forward would regardless make up for those mistakes.
The point of my paragraph regarding Midoriya and Bakugou is explaining the consequences, or more appropriately the lack thereof. Not saying that there are any consequences for those two specifically.
Either way, when I get around to it in my script, maybe I’ll reread it again to see if I was truly schizo or not. It’s ironic given my video is the exact opposite of this one: “My Hero Academia Is BACK, Baby!” (Or something along those lines).
Great video regardless of gripes. Keep of the great work.
What are you talking about I just finished the latest season of MHA. I put it off until it was finally finished and it was the best season of MHA yet. It felt like there was more of a story more consequences more character development. Near the end this season felt like it was very very close attack on titan season 3 and or Attack on Titan Final Season Part 2 levels of good which in my opinion are attack on titans weakest seasons. I think MHA was very close to being almost as good as those two seasons which is saying a lot. And I was never really a fan of MHA in the first place but these passed two seasons of MHA have made me actually get invested into the story that needed to be there it was finally there. Before there was barely any story or plot or really anything to grab my attention and keep it and if it did it was only for like half a season and then it would fizzle out or it just wouldn't grab my attention at all. These past 2 seasons had me on the edge of my seat wanting more and it kept on giving me more and that is imperative coming from MHA. I have nothing but good things to say about these past 2 seasons other than I hope MHA keeps it up for the new upcoming season.
the best fans are the worst fans.. so be careful because this community is full of dishonest pricks. Just like the star wars fandom, who i still stand that they are the worst comunity ever and nothing will ever match them.
Until you mentioned it I had completely forgotten that Midnight is dead and none of the other students besides Momo have even talked about it and they're just cheerfully having baths and having fun like nothing happened. Not even her fellow teachers seem to care lol
They really should have killed Torino instead since most of class A didn’t know him so it would have made more sense for them to start smiling soon after
he should have come against shigaraki and got his stuff rocked or he would have defeates shigaraki but then got blocked by the league. Horikoshi was trying to end it in 2022 at that point though so that is why it got shortened is my only guess.
This is 100% one of top 5 best arcs In Mha but alright
Yeah I remember people talking about this, no emotional impact on students, storylines being thrown aside, no introspective thinking, lines, conversations. The series is still decent but it could be so much better if horokoshi didn't rush, and take his time, maybe if he's editor didn't change, or something... I've always thought this, character development, I swear the characters never really, really change, they have the "I want to be a pro hero" ideals ever since the beginning. And tbh its just boring if you're looking for more then regular action, but with plotlines being thrown away like nothing, its hard to enjoy it. But anyway great video.
Post war arc feels like a mad dash toward the end of the story despite everything there was to work with.
I wanted Star & Stripes vs AFO/Shiggy this season!! Too bad they didn't fit it in😢.
That's literally the worst fight in the series, I hope they never cover that battle, it was so pointless.
it wasn't a failure it couldve been more, if you wanted more from the vigilante arc, then work on some fan fiction or draw your own fan manga of the series that way we can see your vision, it needed work but at the end I enjoyed the ride to see this arc animated
Ngl I shared some of your point of why season 6 isn't really that good but at a lesser amount, i do still think its better than half of the season because mha for me does feel progressingly worse every season until season 6 came around
Magic gauntlets came from off screen? Bro did u even watch the movies? How are u gush about early world building and then completely disregard call back like the gauntlet. Video starts “I’m upset that it’s not more about Izuku 5 min in why aren’t we spending more time on side characters. My hero has been rushed over the last few arcs but Jesus these are some trash takes
i guess short and rush also to me deku didn't cross no lines and i expected him to be mean and angry and lashing out on others you know just lose himself and then have his friends come and pulled him back into the light.
on one hand, i can understand horikoshi not wanting mha to be too gritty and realistic to the point where it’s too depressing to even sit through. i get the desire to have more light hearted tendencies, i do.
but otoh, bakugo’s apology just…didn’t sit right with me. deku’s attitude towards being a hero irl would be classified as some sort of mental illness. deku isn’t just a selfless hero who always wants to help™️ he’s self-destructive, almost suicidal in his pursuit. he doesn’t consider his own well being, and there narratively should be a reason for that.
it would’ve been interesting to explore the reason deku cares about being a hero so bad. it would’ve been so much more interesting to me if bakugo had to realize just how bad he hurt deku by letting deku just vent to him about this. allow him to talk about the effects of wanting to be a hero but constantly getting bullied, constantly being told he couldn’t, and being told by the number one hero that he couldn’t. the idea that deku just “got over” all of that pushes my suspension of disbelief past what i’d consider acceptable.
My main problem with these kind of shounen animes is that they are too afraid to kill off characters and it feel unnatural for so many people to make it out considering the stakes. It reflects badly on the villains and makes them seem incompetent and barely threatening :/
That's One of my biggest issue with shounen
That's a pretty frequent occurrence for most media aimed at middle schoolers.
Yeah Horikoshi shouldve pulled a Tatsuki Fujimoto
This is why Aot is my favorite anime
@@ihave40wins63 I'm honestly too scared to watch aot in case I get attached to a character that dies :(
What I dislike the most about the arc is that I never really understood WHY Deku had such a huge change in character. Like I get that a ton of people died, but no one in Shiggy's battle against the characters. If you want to turn Deku into a Batman like character, then kill off someone important to him like his mother or even a classmate and have him witness or even be partially responsible for it. If you don't want to make such huge sacrifices, then don't act like you did.
Also, this arc was far too short. A character change this big, especially for the main character is something have affects that last for the rest of the story, now it's like it never even happened.
This is a good thought, but I don’t think a character needs to die to explain the change. Bakugo sacrificing himself to protect Deku was enough to explain the transition. Deku actually sees and knows that everyone would sacrifice for you, because you are the savior. This is a heavy burden to bear. To me, that was more than enough to explain the transition.
Well, there is a reason why Deku had an entire change of character. This was supposed to give a darker and scarier version of Deku. For about 10 years now since MHA released, a lot of the anime community are always complaining about Deku's crying. They always complain that he is a crybaby and that he cries too much. What I also find ironic is that when Deku eventually went out and changed into an entirely different person, people were now switching up and hyping up Deku acting like he is the best new gen MC of current anime. Also, yeah I do agree with the killing of person. But the problem is which character do we kill off because it has to be a person that Deku extremely cares about.
I mean is it really fair to both complain about this being too short, AND not warranted enough? Which would be better? Deku's Mom dying and the arc still being short? That wouldn't make sense. Or maybe the arc being ten chapters longer? What would we even get out of that?
@@leritykay8911 At least it would explain the drastic change... These are two pretty unrelated issues so I don't see why one has to exist without the other.
@@rato_o6841 Well I'm just saying, duration of a change also affects how drastic it is. Like if someone is very hungry and becomes agitated until he eats, that's not a drastic change. But if someone becomes agitated and angry for a few weeks straight, it IS.
So the way I see it, it follows that if Deku didn't have a huge reason, then the change wasn't THAT drastic. He was putting on that mask for what, a week?
The wrappings were from America where sheald built then for all might, this connects the first movie to the main story where it's really nice to see