Love your video... I have the same problem and put too much trust into the product. I was blaming the wood... but seeing this.... HELPS!!!. Thank you 😀
so sorry to hear that. If it helps, I repaired my desk and did it differently this time. Check this out when you can, see if it helps th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
So as long as you don’t have the Sun shining on it the deck over paint works. Otherwise the Sun hits it and heats up paint and the air below expands and separates the paint from the wood. I have a porch with cover, no Sun, no problems. This stuff will not work if Sun light hits it while drying.
The white matter is fungus that is causing the brown rot in the wood. I learned of this phenomenon 2 weeks ago. I feel your pain :( Thanks for the video.
Sorry to hear all the complaints and problems people have experienced. My wood deck ( 12X24) is over 20 years old. About 5 or 6 years ago when the wood was looking old and cracked I decided to try the deck over paint. I power washed using deck cleaning products. After drying out I put down 2 thin coats of primer with a roller and brush. Once that was dry, I did 2 coats of Behr deck over smooth with a brush. I even thinned the material just a little because it was so thick. I have had some minor peeling over the last 5 years or so and I would touch up as needed. This year 2021 I plan on repainting the entire deck and railings with the same product. Currently I have scrubbed and power washed the deck clean. I have a few spots where paint was blown off by the power washer, but I expected that to happen. I am in the Philly burbs, just waiting on some dry weather to start painting again.
I'm happy to read that. Your case is a rare one. I'm not about 1 year into my repaired deck and I'm happy to say that the regular deck stain has held up almost perfectly! I never had this result with the desk seal product. I followed all direction to the TEE. Still failed me.
@@christianbroughton1409 Good question. I asked advice from an employee at Home Depot. He recommended a primer product to put down first, especially since my deck had been previously stained multiple times prior to using Behr deck over.
@@artcampli9756 that makes sense but I got the opposite advice at home depot. The paint associate told me to put back the kilz primer I had and told me to use the behr wood paint and stain stripper. The directions on the wood stripper were to let the substance soak then hit with hard bristle brush then power wash which was always a no no on wood imo. In doing so there were wood fibers present and like the behr wood cleaner stated I lightly sanded. Waiting for the rain to pass to start painting so its touch to speak about the longevity but again the old timer associate whos been in paint for 15 yrs and was previously a paint contractor laid out the process which was to follow the stripper and paint directions to a T. What stuck with me was him stressing the nature of advanced deck over and its need for as clean as possible a surface for continuity in the technology of the paint. Apparently the primer stops the paint from adhering as securely as if the deck over was applied to wood cleaned as stated in the directions. Still nervous to use this product as it looks like its a pain and a half to strip if it starts to fail.
I’m going through the same thing now! I’m so happy I found this video. I’ve been on my hands and knees for a few days peeling and have noticed that the wood is saturated also. It’s been less than a year that we used this product. Class action suit anyone?
Yup, me too! Wood can’t breathe, stays wet, rots! It’s just a matter of time. I am now rebuilding my entire deck due to so much soaking wet wood and rot! Looked great for a couple years, but stay away from this stuff! I believe the water soaks in from then longitudinal seams, and the wood is never able to dry. Even after weeks of no rain. I’m in New England.
You are 100% correct. This is exactly what happens when you use this junk. if it helps, I made a follow up video that shows how I repaired and restained my deck. th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I’m in Colorado and have had horrible experience as well. Less than 18 months after applying, the peeling and water damage began. Six months later (2 years after application) I started the process of removing Behr Deck Over - that was on the 4th of July weekend. - it took until Labor Day weekend to be able to begin staining the deck. I used stripper product - barely removed anything; water pressure didn’t touch it; professional sander took off the upper layer but that’s when we discovered the product had soaked into the wood. The only way to remove it was to use hand sanders and go over board by board. Then I used the water pressure to remove all the residue product and mold - because the wood was softened, the water pressure left small divers in the wood. Our once beautiful deck is now so pitted that you can’t walk on it in your bare feet. I am at my wits end as to how to restore our redwood deck to its original finish. I heard from a neighbor that there is a class action suit going on over this product. Does anyone have any information on that? I am so angry over the hours and hours of time spent to deal with this product with the end result being a destroyed deck - difficult for me to sit out on the deck to relax when I am still flustered with what has happened.
Were having the same problem and it is getting worse. Not a cheap patio/screen room/or pool deck either... this patio has been fine since it was put in since the mid 2000s and in the 4 years we've had this product put down it has gotten dangerous in spots. All prep work followed and its not even high traffic like you say, what can we do about it
Most solid products don't hold on horizontal surfaces. The problem with these products is that you can't seal the edge of the deck board which moisture enters and will lift just about any solid product. I can see that the deck was probably never primed which is a must.
Same thing happened to us, we thought we caught it in time on the spots that peeled, replaced a few deck boards. Turned out the spots that looked fine, where we had no foot traffic, were loose and letting water in. It rotted them through when we figured it out. So, next year we take the whole deck down and build a patio. I am so bitter over this. It would have been one thing if it just didn't work well, but accelerating aging is not ok. I shouldn't be replacing the deck for several years and I am not happy about my timeline accelerating on this one. The only part that performed as it should have was under a shelter so it hardly ever got wet. :(
Yeah, this product, when used on my floorboards, caused the same rotting issue on several of my boards. Any minor cracks that formed over a few years let water leak underneath and the rotting occurred. Other boards were perfectly fine. All railing tops were perfectly fine except,where I put screws in to hold flower boxes. Where the screws went in the deck over just pealed away revealing water soaked areas. Luckily they weren't rotted.
This is our story too. Currently in the process of trying to remove it from the surface and trying to decide if we will just replace all the boards. This is the worst product.
I'm glad I saw this and other reviews of the Behr Deck Over stain, since I was just about to use it on my deck, since after 25 years old it isn't looking as good with the semi-transparent stain and rather than just solid stain I figured I'd use the Deck Over to make it look nicer. I also saw there are class action suits regarding this too. Sorry you encountered it and hope had joined the class action suit also and got some money to repair the deck.
Same thing happened to mu deck some áreas wok other just start peeling … i have replaced few boars and trying to strip it is a big mess , using a grinder now
I've had pretty good luck with mine. My deck is now 23 years old but I applied Deckover to it in 2013 then recoated it in 2016. I have had a few spots where it has peeled and am in the process of replacing a few boards right now that have some rot. I still like this product on older decks better than the waterproofing stains I used to use. It seems like I needed to restain every year.
It really sticks well to older wood. That's the key though - older wood. My peeling issues were with 1 or 2 year old wood. My issue is one it cracks, it lets moisture in and that moisture sits between the sealer and wood with no where to go and no way to dry out. Then you get rot!
Same thing here. BUT! Did you read and followed instructions on the pale of paint? It says - clean the old wood with Behr wood cleaner, use stiff bristle brush, rinse well, let it dry and than paint. When I did just that the Deckover actually holds well! It looks good, adheres to wood well, no peeling, no cracks - just like it suppose to be. Already about half a year... keep my fingers crossed.
Interesting. I know when I first laid this product down over 5 years ago, there was NOTHING in the directions about using a stiff bristle brush. Wondering if they updated their suggestions based on the negative feedback most people give. I'm happy to hear yours is sticking. Hope is stays that way! I ended up replacing the bad boards, power washed and scraped it all down, then stained the deck. No more deck over. If you're interested in seeing - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
We put deck over down about 20 years ago(?) On 2 large decks. The wood seems to be good, but the deck over started peeling up within a year and we followed all the instructions exactly the way that it was written. This D.O product is complete garbage and our decks look awful now. It would be too labor-intensive to get on our hands and knees and scrape it off manually. I'm wondering if a stand up floor dander could do it? Is there a chemical out there that could help?
I agree, there is a LOT of labor involved when taking this garbage off the deck. Maybe this will help? th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html This is how I restored my deck and repaired the damage Deck Over caused. Good luck!
you can use Deck Over on a new deck as long as the wood is not "green". Most pressure treated wood is green when it is sold, while yellow wood typically is dry when it is sold
I have a feeling people are not letting there wood dry enough, this pressure treated is filled with Creoseal, manufacture requires atleast 6 months of dry time before you coat your deck, my guess is they did it too early and now the wood is trying to dry and pushing out the moisture and making the deckover peal
It is critical that the wood be BONE dry when applied. Pressure treated is by its nature saturated due to the treating process which submerges the wood is a water/chemical bath. New lumber should have at least a couple months to dry out in nice warm summer temps.
I just purchase this product and did my deck. Yes, there will be a TH-cam video coming up! My mistake is installing it first, watch TH-cam later :-( The product I purchased had "Advanced" on it, like it is a new, improved formula??? Only time will tell but when you first put it on, it looks good!
Hi! First and foremost, I hope you don't have the issues I have. For what it's worth, mine doesn't say Improved Formula. I have the original version of this product. I agree, when you first put it on it looks amazing! I hope it remains that way for you. If not, please report back. I'm curious to see how it works for you. Good luck!!
I work as a handyman in the midwest. This stuff is one of the worst products I have ever seen, and HD sells the shit out of it to diyers and they all destroy decks in 5 years that could have stood for another 25
Hello, I just wanted to know if you sealed the bottom of the wood? I just bought the same product for my fence, which was recommended by Home Depot. I am sealing both side and in every crack of fence. Just wondering if moisture was hitting it from bottom of deck?
Hi I only did the tops of each board along with as much of the sides I could as possible. I HIGHLY recommend you stay away from this product. Essentially, you paint this product onto the wood and it creates a "shell". Once that shell is compromised, water gets in and has no way to get out. So it just rots the wood. You're way better off with a traditional water repelling stain.
I can feel your pain. Your video is like looking at my deck and I had a professional prep and paint it. I filed a lawsuit Deckoverclaimsettlement.com and although I needed $2500 to replace and repair my deck, I only got $786 which was about the cost of my paint (I used 12 gallons) and about $250 extra. How can I get this repaired for $250? My wood is destroyed too - its like the water got underneath it and channeled and destroyed the wood. I am SO FRUSTRATED as I was trying to get my house ready to sell!
We are in the process of removing the wood from our deck because of these issues. It looks like the Class Action against Behr has been closed. Is there an additional Class Action? TY
From what I understood the Behr Deck over paint are for old decks and you just want to squeeze a year or two years out of your deck. Otherwise use stain type paint
without a doubt that's how it's proven itself to be good at. However, that's not how it's advertised. I recently did the stain paint you suggested and it came out amazing.
I painted my front porch 6 years ago with Behr Deckover and it still looks great, even the traffic area shows no wear. I never had an issue. This year some of the paint started to peel off of the rails some from the harsh sunlight here in Alabama and I plan on repainting as soon as I am done painting my large deck in the back with Behr Deckover. That deck is about 10 years old and has never been painted. So far it looks awesome. I for whatever reason have no issues. My deck boards have good spacing and I have not had the issues like this video shows.
I too have an old deck and live in Metro-Atlanta. I plan on removing the old stain or paint and putting 90% effort into the preparation before adding the Deck Over. Most likely clean with deck cleaning products and then liberally coat twice with primer on underneath side and in the crevices to create a good seal and bond for the Deck Over. I think this will make a difference in the longevity of the wood. If all else fails. Switch to a stain after replacing the deck within the next 5 years. It’s going to need replaced regardless because of its age so far.
I used this product on my deck and had same problem. It cracks, then it peels, and it causes board rot in some places. And now with wood prices being so high there's no way I can afford to replace all the rotten boards. Never again will I use Behr anything.
Check this out and let me know if it helps - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html this is how I fixed my deck. Sorry to hear you had the same issues we did!
I too had purchased this product and put it on my older deck. I did it about 4 years ago and it's been horrible sense. Just like your pictures show, it's peeling up everywhere and causing boards to rot. I decided to take it all off and went to Home Depot and purchased what they said would work-Behr Wood Stain & Finish Stripper. DOES NOT WORK. I am returning it. (By the way-the associate helping me had the same problem with his deck.) So, I'm sure we all know now-don't buy Behr! But, the problem still remains, I can't get the old paint off. I am a widow, I am trying to do this myself. I have been told not to rent a sander because the wood is rotted in spots. Does anyone have any suggestions to what I can do? The class action lawsuit is past deadline date, I did not receive any notice on it of any kind. When I asked the guys at Home Depot why they still sell this stuff, they told me because 95% of the people don't complain. How sad is that of a company that produces a product on the slight chance that only 5% of the people complain.
Same exact story. peeling up and wet underneath. There are some areas that are dry and it won't peel. This has to be sanded off. Total nightmare for sure
Better to use semi transparent stains 2 coats depending how dark you want it it's called super deck,or penofin, i like using them because both are oil based products,instead of that behr water based products no good 👎 im in San Diego Ca, if anyone needs a free quote. Thanks!!!
I bought my house with a painted deck . The previous owner did no prep prior to applying the paint , so the paint did not hold during weather transitions . I realize that after looking under the flakes . The spindles look great , but the planks terrible . I’m touching it up in a few days & replacing it next spring . Peace
I had this same problem after 2 years. I went to Home Depot and complained, got the phone# for Behr and complained to them. They tried to say I did it wrong. I used their cleaner and followed directions to the T. It took 6 gallons to do my deck and stairs I used a paint brush in the cracks. At first they told me I didn't use enough then they told me I used too much. They said they would send me 4 gallons of a stock color, nothing that would match my deck. After they told me I would have to sand off all of the previous deck over, I told them I was 71 yrs old with a heart condition so that wasn't going to happen. They got me once They won't get me again. I had gone to Walmart and bought Glidden porch paint at the same time, for the hand rails and balusters and after 8 years at the shore it's just now going to need a repaint. I tried to touch up the deck every year with some leftover paint, but it peels up about as fast as I put it down. They offered me 4 gallons free I don't even want it! My place is at the Delaware Shore. My advice is to avoid this product and any similar products like the plague, or you will be sorry, I'm looking to cover mine with a I/O carpet now.
Wait until you try and remove the sections where it hasn't peeled and failed. It's an absolutely brutal process getting it off, at lest what domes off. You're better off replacing the boards.
We used this on our deck, and like you the vertical rails are fine but the floor and any horizontal area are a mess and some destroyed. It's completely ruined a once beautiful deck. We also have rotted floor boards where water must have gotten trapped under the coating. Trying to find a way to remove it all and she my deck. I do believe there is acutely a lawsuit against Behr for this stuff.
Check the wood underneath to see how badly damaged it is first. if you have soft spots I would put more effort into replacing the boards, rather then scrape, sand, and repair. If it helps any, this is how I repaired my deck. th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I think it's because the underside of the beams/planks weren't painted? Since those other pieces of wood looked so perfect they do because you used the deck over all over the wood. Not just one side. Maybe...
the issue is this "shell" eventually cracks, lets water and moisture in and doesn't allow that moisture out. So it's got no where to go other than into the wood. Then you get rot!
@@JaysDMC You’re probably right about that. For whatever reason. It’s trapping water into the wood. I bought this same product but have not used it yet. My deck is old so I figure it’s going to need replaced in the next 3-5 years and Home Depot probably won’t take back the product since they already mixed the dye into it. So I’m just going to risk laying it on and see where it’s at in the next few years.
@@seancombs8352 its the same problem with cars with epoxy covered frames. the epoxy eventually cracks and water makes it way in without a way out... moisture builds and rots the frame. Recipe for disaster.
JaysDMC I sent you the website. It’s a bit of a process and it took me over two years to finally get my money, but nevertheless I did get nearly 1800 dollars
My entire deck surface and rails are ruined from this product. I had healthy wood 3 summers ago, now I have roped the deck off for safety reasons. This product will cause me about $2500 in damages, restoration, and correction. I missed out on the lawsuit against them.
This stuff fucking sucks. Mine did the same thing. They sent new product, but WTF. I'm trying to strip it off. It's a pain to get off. Ev n with a pressure washer. My deck is rotted in places too.
Behr products are the worst. Same thing happened to my deck. We've used other Behr products as well, and not very happy with anything that they do. Won't use their products ever again.
I just stumbled on this. I live in upstate NY and my deckover didn’t last a year. Pealing with easy all over. All the railings and trim are great but the floor is shot. Only took 1 winter and was prepped as directed. Now I’m left with sanding the floor which is easy but 30 feet of trim and railings I’m screwed. Don’t use this product!
Sorry to hear that. I agree with what you said. Terrible product. Such a huge mess! Took forever to fix as well. This is how I fixed my deck and dealt with the repairs - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
@@YorkyPoo_UAV I wish I can post pics first time 6years hoping the sa. For second time I eventually want to trex it but had such a great result i decided to do it again 12 gallons so much cheaper than trex
I'm happy to hear that. To be honest, this stuff stuck like GLUE on my old wood. I have to touch those parts up ever now and then. However, with my fully prepped newer wood, it didn't work out. I followed every direction to the TEE and even spoke with our Home Depot reps a few times. No good. This stuff is garbage.
I have always disliked deck construction where the boards are so close together. It is too close for being able to seal the sides of the boards, hence water is getting in from the sides. Personally, I discourage customers from using acrylic based stains on decks. I have a rule: if you can't totally prevent water from entering wood, for goodness sake don't do anything that prevents it from escaping. Although acrylics are capable of breathing, when you get a 40 mill thick coating, it is asking a lot for it to respire that much when the summer sun beats on it creating vapor pressure. If you have a new deck, don't consider anything but an oil based, or emulsified oil such as Olympic Maxum. Even here, you must be sure you don't have a "mill glaze" on the wood which prevents the stain from entering into the wood grain. this is why new decks were traditionally given several months to age before staining. As i have stated before, if you are going to use DeckOver, the wood has to be bone dry, and I would sand the whole deck with 80 grit paper to ensure bonding into the grain. One of the problems with DeckOver, is that if it fails, it is extremely hard to remove because of the grit and the thickness of the film.
I wish it would come off of my deck like that. I literally can't remove this trash without using a heat gun and a putty knife. I didn't put it on, previous home owner did. I'd rather have stained wood, i dont need textured stain because my deck has a roof and barely gets wet
@@JaysDMC as bad as i hate to, I'll probably have to just put deck over back on the wood. Some places come off then many places I have to literally make that junk bubble and it still doesnt come off. It leaves a horrible black residue as well. My deck is 300 sq feet, it takes little over an hour on each board lol. It wont budge without heat gun
@@SIRxxGINGER The first time I had this issue, that's exactly what I did. About a year or so later it all started to come back up again. I ended up pulling a bunch of boards up and started from scratch where I couldn't salvage existing wood. Sucks! Sorry you're dealing with that.
Buy a diamabrush and put it on an angle grinder, it’s made for decks and makes quick work of it. Then pressure wash it then rent a drum sander from Home Depot then oil stain. Easiest way.
You'll also nottice rails, spindles, top handrails are perfect. Any solid stain or deckover accelerates board rot on floor boards and skirt board. The temperature difference between the top of your deck and under your deck is creating a thermosyphon effect essentially sucking up moisture like a straw and trapping it. Go rent a drum sander with 80 grit paper. It'll sand that stuff off in seconds with no effort. Then use a random orbital sander with 60 grit paper for the nooks and crannys. Let it dry out for a week. Then sand with 120 grit. It can be with a random orbital or a traditional rectangle shaped floor sander. The kind that vibrates. Don't use the round floor sanders. They suck. After 120 grit you should be able to apply a light oil based stain After that. You might have to replace a few boards also. But you'll notice a lot of boards that felt soft when standing on them will firm up.
this is 100% correct. It's sold as a product that will protect your existing deck. However, as you said, it eventually fails and water gets trapped between the paint and the wood itself. With no way to evaporate, it sits on the wood causing the wood to prematurely rot away.
It is absolutely mind boggling to me how this product is still on the market. There have been so many lawsuits, that Behr and Home Depot must be making money hand over fist in order to continue selling this product - and that's a completely unethical approach. Behr's competitors came up with their own variations of this product, but they've all since discontinued their product lines. DeckOver is the only one that still persists. I've been doing deck restoration for over 20 years and this product causes nothing but damage. It is expensive and difficult to apply as it has the consistency of pudding. It's not a stain, which is what should be used on exterior wood. It's a very thick paint that doesn't soak into the wood. It sits on top and traps moisture within, causing rotting. It can't simply be sanded off. Using this product can end up costing thousands of dollars, as you basically have to replace the floor boards, and then pay to stain them (after they weather). It fares better on vertical surfaces such as railing, but that can be said of any product. There is simply no reason to purchase this product. I've seen horror stories. Using this product will end up costing you a lot more money. As someone who has a lot of experience with this, I absolutely encourage everyone to stay away from this product.
@@JaysDMC I'm glad you were able to reverse the damage, but this should have never happened in the first place. Had you waited longer, you would've had to replace more boards due to rotting. I can't imagine how many hours you had to put into this restoration project. DeckOver is a very expensive waste of time and energy. If Behr had any scruples, they would take it off the market.
@@aldoushuxley1347 I completely agree! Last week when I was at Home Depot buying the new stain, I was telling the paint reps my story. She said at least a dozen people a week come in with the same situation.
It's such a shame because for YEARS my local home depot was pushing this product hard! Not their fault by any means... but so many people bought into the hype just to end up doing more harm than good.
You need to have a 1/4" space between deck boards so that water can seep through deck and go under deck. I just use angle grinder to cut grooves higher than 1/4" space between boards. Once you have space then water will not stay on the deck. You really need to do 1/4" space before you do anything else to this deck. See newer deck installation videos, it will help to understand why space is needed between boards.
@@JaysDMC After seeing this video, I did not purchase this product and stayed with the basic red stain/paint and actually put sand in it to make it non slippery and it came out nice. Not sure I can put a picture here. I purchased that red stain from Walmart and it did the job very well. Thank you for your rreply.
@@JaysDMC Deckover is not going to be able to seal new cracks in the wood after it has been painted. When you noticed that your deck boards were starting to crack (which they are going to do, pressure treated always does) you should have touched it up with some of the deck over. That's just part of maintenance AFTER you have painted it. If I had stained my porch or deck or sprayed Thompsons on them, I would have been having to do that pretty much every year
Long story short DIY rookies. You did 2 things improper. A. The prep and 2, the application. I can tell by the way it looks that you did not apply it correctly. Prep+application =successful job. Hire a legit carpenter or painter. That's the homeowner look you were going for! I have done 10+ decks and they all look brand new (minus 1 that starting to looked faded, but still in tact, and this is 7 years later) I love the product. Home depot has cashiers and people that walk around in a given department. That absolutely does NOT make them pros. I am a pro and everytime I have a real world question about process or application they have the wrong answer. Sad times good luck brother. Sand the shit outta it, patch fill, and apply with 3/4 in knap, second coat with black sponge roller head to fill in amy miss ♧Much hard work from Boston!♧
Ok thats what i said to people like you about deck over The label can must say ' ONLY FOR PROFESSIINAL PAINTERS" problem solved ! But not they sell tvis crap to evzrybody knowing it must be done by an professional even with that this stuff is crap
The ONLY thing pressure treated wood is any good for is framing the deck or ground contact , i know alot of people use it for the decking they really shouldn’t because it just makes a terrible decking instead use redwood, cedar , mahogany, the best for NYs weather is trex or something like it , in Miami they use this wood called Milnikara , dam near indestructible ! You can get it in NY also , but stay away from PT for decking or handrails .. good luck
I think the number of complaints here shows just how much homeowners wish to be skilled trades workers. Love deckover and have made a killing off selling their awesome finish product. Who wants to see finish pics?!
I could've made this exact video, except in my case, my deck is 20 years old and I've used the Deckover product twice now. Two single coats that lasted 4-5 years.....far longer than any of the other products I tried (Semi transparent and solid color stains from Behr and Olympic). The problem now is the peeling which is limited to about 10% of the deck area. I have some wood rot just like the video which is about 3/4 inch deep. My deck boards are 2 inches thick, not 5/4. so it is not a safety issue at this stage. Having to replace 3 or 4 boards after 20 years is acceptable to me. My theory is this: the areas I am having the trouble in are areas where there is minimal or zero spacing between the deck boards....JUST LIKE THIS VIDEO! Note in particular around 5:26 how there is zero gap between deck boards. The issue with the product I believe is that it limits the ability of the wood to breath and if there is zero or near zero spacing between deck boards, the moisture is trapped between the deck board and the product. Looking around at the reviews, many people seem really happy with the product and many are very unhappy. The product looks excellent after 5 years on my deck boards that have at least 1/16" gaps between them. I am working on a scheme to make all my gaps 1/16" minimum.
Sorry to hear that. It's a real mess. I'm in the process of repairing my desk and stripping this crap off. I'll post video on how I'm dealing with this.
I have used this product in three different applications over a 4 year period. As with any paint job, the key to a good results is in the prep. It is imperative that paint be applied to DRY wood only. In one of my applications on an older worn out deck, I replaced one of the checked boards before painting and the paint failed and pealed on that board ONLY, just like in this video, proving that the wood wasn't dry enough for this product. Water getting behind paint and into the wood will cause any paint to peal. For best results I do the following; pressure wash the old deck, wait at least a week for it to dry and make sure there hasn't been rain in the last three days before applying to dry wood. I would never put this product on newer pressure treated wood as the pressure treated process injects liquid into the wood fibers.
Perfect answer. I was going to type the same thing. The wood must be properly prepped and dry before application of any sealer product or the moisture will be held in and rot will occur.
Inundate the manufacturers and tell them you want linseed oil stain again. Consumers need to make their wishes known. Tired of junk products that don’t soak in and protect the wood. Don’t pay premium prices and get topical crap for it. They pay 💰 for all this advertising time just to sell you crap. Let them know what you want!
There's like 100 different types of oil based products available on the market my man. You just need to choose to apply them instead of listening to a home depot cashier that happens to be in the paint aisle at the time recommending this garbage.
@@AndYetHereWeAre All you have to do is find a place that carries them. I’m always looking. Still looking👀. Water-born oil based products get close but no cigar...
Thanks to the "save the earth " nuts, we don't get real pressure treated wood like we once did. I built a deck that lasted 20 yrs. Rebuilt it and after 5 yrs it needed to be replaced because the wood was rotting. The wood you got would have done the same thing had you painted it. Not really Bear deck over fault. The wood that is fine is because water did not stand on it. Imo best thing to do is stain and seal a deck every couple yrs, or use the new deck material they have made, trex, does not rot.
My neighbor is going through something similar. Built his 10 years ago and it's fall apart Mind you, I have a part of my yard that was built 30 years ago and it's still holding up!
@JaysDMC well it also benefits the lumber industry if you have to rebuild a new deck every 8 years instead of 20. Unless they return to actually pressure treating lumber the next deck I build will be built out if the new composit material. Seems everything is that way now. They don't build things to last.
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Love your video... I have the same problem and put too much trust into the product. I was blaming the wood... but seeing this.... HELPS!!!. Thank you 😀
so sorry to hear that. If it helps, I repaired my desk and did it differently this time. Check this out when you can, see if it helps th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
So as long as you don’t have the Sun shining on it the deck over paint works. Otherwise the Sun hits it and heats up paint and the air below expands and separates the paint from the wood. I have a porch with cover, no Sun, no problems. This stuff will not work if Sun light hits it while drying.
Same damb issue. I have a buddy power washing it off right now... well what we can. Now I'm going to have to sand it all off...
Sorry to hear that. If it helps, this is what I did to repair my deck
th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
The white matter is fungus that is causing the brown rot in the wood. I learned of this phenomenon 2 weeks ago. I feel your pain :( Thanks for the video.
Sorry to hear all the complaints and problems people have experienced. My wood deck ( 12X24) is over 20 years old. About 5 or 6 years ago when the wood was looking old and cracked I decided to try the deck over paint. I power washed using deck cleaning products. After drying out I put down 2 thin coats of primer with a roller and brush. Once that was dry, I did 2 coats of Behr deck over smooth with a brush. I even thinned the material just a little because it was so thick. I have had some minor peeling over the last 5 years or so and I would touch up as needed. This year 2021 I plan on repainting the entire deck and railings with the same product. Currently I have scrubbed and power washed the deck clean. I have a few spots where paint was blown off by the power washer, but I expected that to happen. I am in the Philly burbs, just waiting on some dry weather to start painting again.
I'm happy to read that. Your case is a rare one. I'm not about 1 year into my repaired deck and I'm happy to say that the regular deck stain has held up almost perfectly! I never had this result with the desk seal product. I followed all direction to the TEE. Still failed me.
I think the primer was the way to go.
Then why doesnt the can say use primer before using advanced deck over
@@christianbroughton1409 Good question. I asked advice from an employee at Home Depot. He recommended a primer product to put down first, especially since my deck had been previously stained multiple times prior to using Behr deck over.
@@artcampli9756 that makes sense but I got the opposite advice at home depot. The paint associate told me to put back the kilz primer I had and told me to use the behr wood paint and stain stripper. The directions on the wood stripper were to let the substance soak then hit with hard bristle brush then power wash which was always a no no on wood imo. In doing so there were wood fibers present and like the behr wood cleaner stated I lightly sanded. Waiting for the rain to pass to start painting so its touch to speak about the longevity but again the old timer associate whos been in paint for 15 yrs and was previously a paint contractor laid out the process which was to follow the stripper and paint directions to a T. What stuck with me was him stressing the nature of advanced deck over and its need for as clean as possible a surface for continuity in the technology of the paint. Apparently the primer stops the paint from adhering as securely as if the deck over was applied to wood cleaned as stated in the directions. Still nervous to use this product as it looks like its a pain and a half to strip if it starts to fail.
I’m going through the same thing now! I’m so happy I found this video. I’ve been on my hands and knees for a few days peeling and have noticed that the wood is saturated also. It’s been less than a year that we used this product. Class action suit anyone?
Check this out when you can, it may help. This is how I repaired my desk and what I used - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
Yup, me too! Wood can’t breathe, stays wet, rots! It’s just a matter of time. I am now rebuilding my entire deck due to so much soaking wet wood and rot! Looked great for a couple years, but stay away from this stuff! I believe the water soaks in from then longitudinal seams, and the wood is never able to dry. Even after weeks of no rain. I’m in New England.
You are 100% correct. This is exactly what happens when you use this junk.
if it helps, I made a follow up video that shows how I repaired and restained my deck.
th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I’m in Colorado and have had horrible experience as well. Less than 18 months after applying, the peeling and water damage began. Six months later (2 years after application) I started the process of removing Behr Deck Over - that was on the 4th of July weekend. - it took until Labor Day weekend to be able to begin staining the deck. I used stripper product - barely removed anything; water pressure didn’t touch it; professional sander took off the upper layer but that’s when we discovered the product had soaked into the wood. The only way to remove it was to use hand sanders and go over board by board. Then I used the water pressure to remove all the residue product and mold - because the wood was softened, the water pressure left small divers in the wood. Our once beautiful deck is now so pitted that you can’t walk on it in your bare feet. I am at my wits end as to how to restore our redwood deck to its original finish. I heard from a neighbor that there is a class action suit going on over this product. Does anyone have any information on that? I am so angry over the hours and hours of time spent to deal with this product with the end result being a destroyed deck - difficult for me to sit out on the deck to relax when I am still flustered with what has happened.
That's absolutely terrible. Sorry to hear that. In the next few weeks I'll be replacing some of my boards as they are completed rotted.
The boards needs to be sanded down using 60 and 80 grits.
If u got rid of this freaking paint u r good to go for having the deck back to life
Were having the same problem and it is getting worse. Not a cheap patio/screen room/or pool deck either... this patio has been fine since it was put in since the mid 2000s and in the 4 years we've had this product put down it has gotten dangerous in spots. All prep work followed and its not even high traffic like you say, what can we do about it
Sorry to hear this. This is what I did for my deck - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
Good luck!!!
Exact same thing happened with our deck. Thanks for the video!!
Such a huge mess! Took forever to fix as well. This is how I fixed my deck and dealt with the repairs - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
Most solid products don't hold on horizontal surfaces. The problem with these products is that you can't seal the edge of the deck board which moisture enters and will lift just about any solid product. I can see that the deck was probably never primed which is a must.
Same thing happened to us, we thought we caught it in time on the spots that peeled, replaced a few deck boards. Turned out the spots that looked fine, where we had no foot traffic, were loose and letting water in. It rotted them through when we figured it out.
So, next year we take the whole deck down and build a patio. I am so bitter over this. It would have been one thing if it just didn't work well, but accelerating aging is not ok. I shouldn't be replacing the deck for several years and I am not happy about my timeline accelerating on this one.
The only part that performed as it should have was under a shelter so it hardly ever got wet.
:(
Really sorry to read this. When you replace your deck, check this out. Hope it helps. th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
Happened to our deck too! We only did ours 1 1/2 years ago and it destroyed it but we can not get it all off!
I'm in the process of stripping it all off. what a pain. I'll post a video.
Yeah, this product, when used on my floorboards, caused the same rotting issue on several of my boards. Any minor cracks that formed over a few years let water leak underneath and the rotting occurred. Other boards were perfectly fine. All railing tops were perfectly fine except,where I put screws in to hold flower boxes. Where the screws went in the deck over just pealed away revealing water soaked areas. Luckily they weren't rotted.
Nightmare! I feel your pain. Same story here.
This is our story too. Currently in the process of trying to remove it from the surface and trying to decide if we will just replace all the boards. This is the worst product.
CHeck this out when you can th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I'm glad I saw this and other reviews of the Behr Deck Over stain, since I was just about to use it on my deck, since after 25 years old it isn't looking as good with the semi-transparent stain and rather than just solid stain I figured I'd use the Deck Over to make it look nicer. I also saw there are class action suits regarding this too. Sorry you encountered it and hope had joined the class action suit also and got some money to repair the deck.
Glad this helped.
Nope - never got a dime. We were told we used the product wrong.
We followed the directions exactly. Zero help.
@@JaysDMC I see Morgan & Morgan still have a webpage up for this, not sure if the class action suit is still active or not.
@@JaysDMC www.forthepeople.com/defective-product-lawyers/behr-deckover-lawsuit/
Same thing happened to mu deck some áreas wok other just start peeling … i have replaced few boars and trying to strip it is a big mess , using a grinder now
Take your time with it. It's a long and boring project!!! If it helps, this is how I fixed my deck - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I've had pretty good luck with mine. My deck is now 23 years old but I applied Deckover to it in 2013 then recoated it in 2016. I have had a few spots where it has peeled and am in the process of replacing a few boards right now that have some rot. I still like this product on older decks better than the waterproofing stains I used to use. It seems like I needed to restain every year.
It really sticks well to older wood. That's the key though - older wood. My peeling issues were with 1 or 2 year old wood. My issue is one it cracks, it lets moisture in and that moisture sits between the sealer and wood with no where to go and no way to dry out. Then you get rot!
@Mlke R - did you strip all the old stain to bare wood before applying Deckover?
@@awake8806 No but it was semi transparent stain not solid color.
@@anthonymrbs - ok thank you
This is why you should never paint a deck, ever! I have the same problem, same product. Wood decks need to be treated with a good wood stain/sealant.
It's such a shame that Home Depot pushes this product!!!
These are typical results for this product
Same thing here. BUT!
Did you read and followed instructions on the pale of paint?
It says - clean the old wood with Behr wood cleaner, use stiff bristle brush, rinse well, let it dry and than paint.
When I did just that the Deckover actually holds well! It looks good, adheres to wood well, no peeling, no cracks - just like it suppose to be.
Already about half a year... keep my fingers crossed.
Interesting. I know when I first laid this product down over 5 years ago, there was NOTHING in the directions about using a stiff bristle brush. Wondering if they updated their suggestions based on the negative feedback most people give. I'm happy to hear yours is sticking. Hope is stays that way! I ended up replacing the bad boards, power washed and scraped it all down, then stained the deck. No more deck over. If you're interested in seeing - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
We put deck over down about 20 years ago(?) On 2 large decks. The wood seems to be good, but the deck over started peeling up within a year and we followed all the instructions exactly the way that it was written. This D.O product is complete garbage and our decks look awful now. It would be too labor-intensive to get on our hands and knees and scrape it off manually. I'm wondering if a stand up floor dander could do it? Is there a chemical out there that could help?
I agree, there is a LOT of labor involved when taking this garbage off the deck.
Maybe this will help? th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
This is how I restored my deck and repaired the damage Deck Over caused.
Good luck!
Yes. It ruined basically my whole deck. I am currently trying to decide what to do. Over half of the boards are rotted. Do not use this product!
Take a look at what I did. Maybe it'll help
th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
you can use Deck Over on a new deck as long as the wood is not "green". Most pressure treated wood is green when it is sold, while yellow wood typically is dry when it is sold
I have a feeling people are not letting there wood dry enough, this pressure treated is filled with Creoseal, manufacture requires atleast 6 months of dry time before you coat your deck, my guess is they did it too early and now the wood is trying to dry and pushing out the moisture and making the deckover peal
we should all file a class action law suit against deck over, I am sick of replacing boards and now well we all know how much a 2x6 cost today.
There is a class action lawsuit against the company. Please Google but time frame might be done
It is critical that the wood be BONE dry when applied. Pressure treated is by its nature saturated due to the treating process which submerges the wood is a water/chemical bath. New lumber should have at least a couple months to dry out in nice warm summer temps.
Correct on all points here. However, the underlying theme here is that even when these rules are followed, failure still occurs.
I just purchase this product and did my deck. Yes, there will be a TH-cam video coming up! My mistake is installing it first, watch TH-cam later :-(
The product I purchased had "Advanced" on it, like it is a new, improved formula??? Only time will tell but when you first put it on, it looks good!
Hi! First and foremost, I hope you don't have the issues I have. For what it's worth, mine doesn't say Improved Formula. I have the original version of this product. I agree, when you first put it on it looks amazing!
I hope it remains that way for you. If not, please report back. I'm curious to see how it works for you.
Good luck!!
@@JaysDMC No formula will be make a paint deck get better., paint is paint !
Stain it instead.
I work as a handyman in the midwest. This stuff is one of the worst products I have ever seen, and HD sells the shit out of it to diyers and they all destroy decks in 5 years that could have stood for another 25
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Hello, I just wanted to know if you sealed the bottom of the wood? I just bought the same product for my fence, which was recommended by Home Depot. I am sealing both side and in every crack of fence. Just wondering if moisture was hitting it from bottom of deck?
Hi
I only did the tops of each board along with as much of the sides I could as possible. I HIGHLY recommend you stay away from this product. Essentially, you paint this product onto the wood and it creates a "shell". Once that shell is compromised, water gets in and has no way to get out. So it just rots the wood.
You're way better off with a traditional water repelling stain.
@@JaysDMC oh woww! Now I understand. I will look for something else. Thank you!
I can feel your pain. Your video is like looking at my deck and I had a professional prep and paint it. I filed a lawsuit Deckoverclaimsettlement.com and although I needed $2500 to replace and repair my deck, I only got $786 which was about the cost of my paint (I used 12 gallons) and about $250 extra. How can I get this repaired for $250? My wood is destroyed too - its like the water got underneath it and channeled and destroyed the wood. I am SO FRUSTRATED as I was trying to get my house ready to sell!
We are in the process of removing the wood from our deck because of these issues. It looks like the Class Action against Behr has been closed. Is there an additional Class Action? TY
Thanks...it's exactly what happened to my deck! Im so freaking mad.
Terrible product!!!!
From what I understood the Behr Deck over paint are for old decks and you just want to squeeze a year or two years out of your deck. Otherwise use stain type paint
without a doubt that's how it's proven itself to be good at. However, that's not how it's advertised.
I recently did the stain paint you suggested and it came out amazing.
I painted my front porch 6 years ago with Behr Deckover and it still looks great, even the traffic area shows no wear. I never had an issue. This year some of the paint started to peel off of the rails some from the harsh sunlight here in Alabama and I plan on repainting as soon as I am done painting my large deck in the back with Behr Deckover. That deck is about 10 years old and has never been painted. So far it looks awesome. I for whatever reason have no issues.
My deck boards have good spacing and I have not had the issues like this video shows.
I too have an old deck and live in Metro-Atlanta. I plan on removing the old stain or paint and putting 90% effort into the preparation before adding the Deck Over. Most likely clean with deck cleaning products and then liberally coat twice with primer on underneath side and in the crevices to create a good seal and bond for the Deck Over. I think this will make a difference in the longevity of the wood. If all else fails. Switch to a stain after replacing the deck within the next 5 years. It’s going to need replaced regardless because of its age so far.
It's bad for that too. Spray and backroll a regular solid stain every crevice will be sealed up for a long time.
Maybe works in the south but in the midwest it's deck murder
Looks like my deck. Same problem
Sorry to hear this!
Have you seen this yet? It may help with repairs - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I used this product on my deck and had same problem. It cracks, then it peels, and it causes board rot in some places. And now with wood prices being so high there's no way I can afford to replace all the rotten boards. Never again will I use Behr anything.
Check this out and let me know if it helps - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
this is how I fixed my deck. Sorry to hear you had the same issues we did!
Same story; Exactly it distory my deck too. I had to replace the deck wood. Now, will put oil-based stain.
Same story and livid
I ruined my deck with it too! So aggravating!!i would never recommend this product to anyone!!!
I too had purchased this product and put it on my older deck. I did it about 4 years ago and it's been horrible sense. Just like your pictures show, it's peeling up everywhere and causing boards to rot. I decided to take it all off and went to Home Depot and purchased what they said would work-Behr Wood Stain & Finish Stripper. DOES NOT WORK. I am returning it. (By the way-the associate helping me had the same problem with his deck.) So, I'm sure we all know now-don't buy Behr! But, the problem still remains, I can't get the old paint off. I am a widow, I am trying to do this myself. I have been told not to rent a sander because the wood is rotted in spots. Does anyone have any suggestions to what I can do? The class action lawsuit is past deadline date, I did not receive any notice on it of any kind. When I asked the guys at Home Depot why they still sell this stuff, they told me because 95% of the people don't complain. How sad is that of a company that produces a product on the slight chance that only 5% of the people complain.
Sorry to hear that. This is how I fixed my deck. th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
The same thing happened to my deck floor and the hand rail
My deck has so much rot because of using this product. I will have to repair so much. My deck is only 8 years old and needs so many boards replaced.
I'm terribly sorry to hear this.
This is how I fixed my deck - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
hopefully this helps. Good luck!
Same exact story. peeling up and wet underneath. There are some areas that are dry and it won't peel. This has to be sanded off. Total nightmare for sure
Such a shame!
I Twitter Behr they offered to replace the deck over or send me a Stain.
@@YoucantMesurethis really? What is your Twitter name? I'd love to follow that thread.
JaysDMC r_mesure. They asked for my email
Sounds like I should rent a sander instead of trying solvents? I need to remove this mess.
Same thing happened to my deck. The deck is ten years old. Had zero rot before I use that deck over crap, now just about every piece has rot on it.
Sorry to hear that. If it helps, I documented how I fixed my deck and the tools I used. th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
Better to use semi transparent stains 2 coats depending how dark you want it it's called super deck,or penofin, i like using them because both are oil based products,instead of that behr water based products no good 👎 im in San Diego Ca, if anyone needs a free quote. Thanks!!!
I bought my house with a painted deck . The previous owner did no prep prior to applying the paint , so the paint did not hold during weather transitions . I realize that after looking under the flakes . The spindles look great , but the planks terrible . I’m touching it up in a few days & replacing it next spring . Peace
Best of luck. Not an impossible job but a pain nonetheless. Good luck!
JaysDMC Thanks
I had this same problem after 2 years. I went to Home Depot and complained, got the phone# for Behr and complained to them. They tried to say I did it wrong. I used their cleaner and followed directions to the T. It took 6 gallons to do my deck and stairs I used a paint brush in the cracks. At first they told me I didn't use enough then they told me I used too much. They said they would send me 4 gallons of a stock color, nothing that would match my deck. After they told me I would have to sand off all of the previous deck over, I told them I was 71 yrs old with a heart condition so that wasn't going to happen. They got me once They won't get me again. I had gone to Walmart and bought Glidden porch paint at the same time, for the hand rails and balusters and after 8 years at the shore it's just now going to need a repaint. I tried to touch up the deck every year with some leftover paint, but it peels up about as fast as I put it down. They offered me 4 gallons free I don't even want it! My place is at the Delaware Shore.
My advice is to avoid this product and any similar products like the plague, or you will be sorry, I'm looking to cover mine with a I/O carpet now.
Sorry to hear this. Sounds like everyone has the same story. Just a terrible product. Deck paint (not the deck over) is a much better solution.
My deck has a cover over it and does well.
Happy to hear that. Your case is very rare.
I just stained using Beher Deck Over. Probably I will be pulling all planks out next year and then re-doing the deck.
No paint at all for any deck, use stain.
U did not stain it . deck over is paint .
Wait until you try and remove the sections where it hasn't peeled and failed. It's an absolutely brutal process getting it off, at lest what domes off. You're better off replacing the boards.
We used this on our deck, and like you the vertical rails are fine but the floor and any horizontal area are a mess and some destroyed. It's completely ruined a once beautiful deck. We also have rotted floor boards where water must have gotten trapped under the coating. Trying to find a way to remove it all and she my deck. I do believe there is acutely a lawsuit against Behr for this stuff.
Check the wood underneath to see how badly damaged it is first. if you have soft spots I would put more effort into replacing the boards, rather then scrape, sand, and repair.
If it helps any, this is how I repaired my deck. th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
Oh geez, I just bought some #DeckOver from #HomeDepot. I'm definitely NOT going to use it. YIKES!
its complete trash! Stay away from it
I think it's because the underside of the beams/planks weren't painted? Since those other pieces of wood looked so perfect they do because you used the deck over all over the wood. Not just one side. Maybe...
the issue is this "shell" eventually cracks, lets water and moisture in and doesn't allow that moisture out. So it's got no where to go other than into the wood. Then you get rot!
@@JaysDMC You’re probably right about that. For whatever reason. It’s trapping water into the wood. I bought this same product but have not used it yet. My deck is old so I figure it’s going to need replaced in the next 3-5 years and Home Depot probably won’t take back the product since they already mixed the dye into it. So I’m just going to risk laying it on and see where it’s at in the next few years.
@@seancombs8352 its the same problem with cars with epoxy covered frames. the epoxy eventually cracks and water makes it way in without a way out... moisture builds and rots the frame. Recipe for disaster.
Just got my settlement check yesterday!
Congrats! Care to share how you accomplished this with the others?
@@fireemt0322 ???
JaysDMC I sent you the website. It’s a bit of a process and it took me over two years to finally get my money, but nevertheless I did get nearly 1800 dollars
@@fireemt0322 WOW!!!! That's a lot of money!!! Congrats!!!!
@@fireemt0322 That site can't be reached. I believe the settlement is closed.
Same thing happened to my deck. Use Dime a brush
this product is such trash!
My entire deck surface and rails are ruined from this product. I had healthy wood 3 summers ago, now I have roped the deck off for safety reasons. This product will cause me about $2500 in damages, restoration, and correction. I missed out on the lawsuit against them.
I'm really sorry to hear that. I just repaired my deck. What a job!!!!
th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
This stuff fucking sucks. Mine did the same thing. They sent new product, but WTF. I'm trying to strip it off. It's a pain to get off. Ev n with a pressure washer. My deck is rotted in places too.
Behr products are the worst. Same thing happened to my deck. We've used other Behr products as well, and not very happy with anything that they do. Won't use their products ever again.
Agree. None of their products do what THEY say they'll do.
So what is best to remove, solvents or rent a sander.
I've been sanding nonstop. I watched quite a few videos with people using the solvents. Doesn't seem to work very well.
Was this the textured kind? Or the regular smooth? Thanks.
This is the textured kind
JaysDMC glad I got the smooth. lol
@@carlosjewlz Glad you did too! LOL What a mess!!!
It completely destroyed my deck! Worse product ever.
I'm sorry to hear this.
If it helps, check this out - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
This is how I fixed my deck.
freaking hell, my deck is doing this too. my deck is about 1000sqft. a pro deck company is quoting me 6K to strip it and repaint....
And now with the price of lumber, it's so expensive. Maybe this will help: th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
How long did you wait before using the deck over?
Four full seasons for the wood to acclimate. This was per the instructions provided with the product.
I hate Behr paint! Water got under the paint and and lifted the paint so it just comes off in pieces. Happened to my pool deck with Behr deck stain!
I like their indoor paint. The outdoor stuff is straight garbage!
JaysDMC ...I don't like indoor paint either. Their satin...dirt sticks to it more than Glidden or Sherwin Williams.
completely destroyed mine!!
Terribly sorry to hear this. Did you see my other video on how I repaired my deck?
Looks like the wood was too wet
The wood was wet because the product failed and allowed water in. Then the water was trapped so the wood couldn't properly dry.
The wood needs to be completely dry before applying it
The wood went through 4 complete seasons and was bone dry
@@JaysDMC wood wasn't thoroughly seasoned, behr deck over wasn't your issue, behr has been on my deck for 7 years, look's like it was done yesterday
@@scottswain9460 The deck went 5 full seasons before we applied it.
Same thing happened here how did anybody remove this ?
I'll provide a link when possible. If you check my channel I have a comprehensive video on what I did to fix my deck.
Here's the link - hope this helps
th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I just stumbled on this. I live in upstate NY and my deckover didn’t last a year. Pealing with easy all over. All the railings and trim are great but the floor is shot. Only took 1 winter and was prepped as directed. Now I’m left with sanding the floor which is easy but 30 feet of trim and railings I’m screwed. Don’t use this product!
Sorry to hear that. I agree with what you said. Terrible product. Such a huge mess! Took forever to fix as well. This is how I fixed my deck and dealt with the repairs - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
Used it twice 6 years ago and now for second time its all in prep
I waited 1 month in July to make sure the deck was dry. Added two coats. Next month it was coming off.
@@YorkyPoo_UAV I wish I can post pics first time 6years hoping the sa. For second time I eventually want to trex it but had such a great result i decided to do it again 12 gallons so much cheaper than trex
there regular exterior paint works 100 times better
@@edmundpiechowicz6959 I used behers ext for concrete patio because it was cheaper wasnt happy with the result not as nice as the coating
I'm happy to hear that. To be honest, this stuff stuck like GLUE on my old wood. I have to touch those parts up ever now and then. However, with my fully prepped newer wood, it didn't work out. I followed every direction to the TEE and even spoke with our Home Depot reps a few times. No good. This stuff is garbage.
Same thing here in Atlanta, brand new deck!
Same here! Rotten wood !
Such a huge mess! Took forever to fix as well. This is how I fixed my deck and dealt with the repairs - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I have always disliked deck construction where the boards are so close together. It is too close for being able to seal the sides of the boards, hence water is getting in from the sides. Personally, I discourage customers from using acrylic based stains on decks. I have a rule: if you can't totally prevent water from entering wood, for goodness sake don't do anything that prevents it from escaping. Although acrylics are capable of breathing, when you get a 40 mill thick coating, it is asking a lot for it to respire that much when the summer sun beats on it creating vapor pressure. If you have a new deck, don't consider anything but an oil based, or emulsified oil such as Olympic Maxum. Even here, you must be sure you don't have a "mill glaze" on the wood which prevents the stain from entering into the wood grain. this is why new decks were traditionally given several months to age before staining.
As i have stated before, if you are going to use DeckOver, the wood has to be bone dry, and I would sand the whole deck with 80 grit paper to ensure bonding into the grain.
One of the problems with DeckOver, is that if it fails, it is extremely hard to remove because of the grit and the thickness of the film.
Unfortunately I know first hand how difficult this stuff is to scrape off. You're not kidding!
Same thing happened to me ruined my whole deck
What are your plans for repair? Did you see my repair video on how I restored my deck?
I wish it would come off of my deck like that. I literally can't remove this trash without using a heat gun and a putty knife. I didn't put it on, previous home owner did. I'd rather have stained wood, i dont need textured stain because my deck has a roof and barely gets wet
Try this - I repaired my deck and documented how I did it. It's a real pain!!! th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
@@JaysDMC as bad as i hate to, I'll probably have to just put deck over back on the wood. Some places come off then many places I have to literally make that junk bubble and it still doesnt come off. It leaves a horrible black residue as well. My deck is 300 sq feet, it takes little over an hour on each board lol. It wont budge without heat gun
@@SIRxxGINGER The first time I had this issue, that's exactly what I did. About a year or so later it all started to come back up again. I ended up pulling a bunch of boards up and started from scratch where I couldn't salvage existing wood. Sucks! Sorry you're dealing with that.
Buy a diamabrush and put it on an angle grinder, it’s made for decks and makes quick work of it. Then pressure wash it then rent a drum sander from Home Depot then oil stain. Easiest way.
It can’t bond with the wood as its already sealed
You'll also nottice rails, spindles, top handrails are perfect. Any solid stain or deckover accelerates board rot on floor boards and skirt board.
The temperature difference between the top of your deck and under your deck is creating a thermosyphon effect essentially sucking up moisture like a straw and trapping it.
Go rent a drum sander with 80 grit paper. It'll sand that stuff off in seconds with no effort. Then use a random orbital sander with 60 grit paper for the nooks and crannys.
Let it dry out for a week. Then sand with 120 grit. It can be with a random orbital or a traditional rectangle shaped floor sander. The kind that vibrates.
Don't use the round floor sanders. They suck.
After 120 grit you should be able to apply a light oil based stain After that.
You might have to replace a few boards also. But you'll notice a lot of boards that felt soft when standing on them will firm up.
This is great feedback. Couldn't have said this better myself. Thank you!
I know your problem. You didn't read the directions. It specifically says on the label, "not intended for use by bitch bois".....
Yea Behr didn't help me at all.
My rep at homedepot said this stuff is trash.
theres no perma rating on this product. paint cant breathe and moisture gets stuck and rots the wood.
this is 100% correct. It's sold as a product that will protect your existing deck. However, as you said, it eventually fails and water gets trapped between the paint and the wood itself. With no way to evaporate, it sits on the wood causing the wood to prematurely rot away.
Deck over is trash I will never use it again!
I couldn't have said it better myself!
It is absolutely mind boggling to me how this product is still on the market. There have been so many lawsuits, that Behr and Home Depot must be making money hand over fist in order to continue selling this product - and that's a completely unethical approach. Behr's competitors came up with their own variations of this product, but they've all since discontinued their product lines. DeckOver is the only one that still persists.
I've been doing deck restoration for over 20 years and this product causes nothing but damage. It is expensive and difficult to apply as it has the consistency of pudding. It's not a stain, which is what should be used on exterior wood. It's a very thick paint that doesn't soak into the wood. It sits on top and traps moisture within, causing rotting. It can't simply be sanded off. Using this product can end up costing thousands of dollars, as you basically have to replace the floor boards, and then pay to stain them (after they weather). It fares better on vertical surfaces such as railing, but that can be said of any product.
There is simply no reason to purchase this product. I've seen horror stories. Using this product will end up costing you a lot more money. As someone who has a lot of experience with this, I absolutely encourage everyone to stay away from this product.
I recently repaired my desk. This is the outcome and how I did it th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
@@JaysDMC I'm glad you were able to reverse the damage, but this should have never happened in the first place. Had you waited longer, you would've had to replace more boards due to rotting. I can't imagine how many hours you had to put into this restoration project. DeckOver is a very expensive waste of time and energy. If Behr had any scruples, they would take it off the market.
@@aldoushuxley1347 I completely agree! Last week when I was at Home Depot buying the new stain, I was telling the paint reps my story. She said at least a dozen people a week come in with the same situation.
Same shit happened to me. True piece of shit product, half of it came out after 3 years too, really DON'T BUY THIS GARBAGE !
Sorry to hear that. Check out how I fixed my desk. What a pain!!! th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
this by far is the worst product put out by Behr. I have had a dozen customers livid for the same reasons posted in this video.
It's such a shame because for YEARS my local home depot was pushing this product hard! Not their fault by any means... but so many people bought into the hype just to end up doing more harm than good.
If it helps, this is what I did to resolve my damaged deck. Hope this helps - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
Ruined my deck too.
Sorry to hear this. Horrible product!!!!
Have you seen this? It may help - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
You need to have a 1/4" space between deck boards so that water can seep through deck and go under deck. I just use angle grinder to cut grooves higher than 1/4" space between boards. Once you have space then water will not stay on the deck. You really need to do 1/4" space before you do anything else to this deck. See newer deck installation videos, it will help to understand why space is needed between boards.
You're correct about that. But that's not the reason why this product failed. It shouldn't have cracked and let water in.
@@JaysDMC After seeing this video, I did not purchase this product and stayed with the basic red stain/paint and actually put sand in it to make it non slippery and it came out nice. Not sure I can put a picture here. I purchased that red stain from Walmart and it did the job very well.
Thank you for your rreply.
@@Luv_Anika Sounds similar to what I did. Check it out if you have a sec - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
@@JaysDMC Deckover is not going to be able to seal new cracks in the wood after it has been painted. When you noticed that your deck boards were starting to crack (which they are going to do, pressure treated always does) you should have touched it up with some of the deck over. That's just part of maintenance AFTER you have painted it. If I had stained my porch or deck or sprayed Thompsons on them, I would have been having to do that pretty much every year
Beher deck over can’t be used with pressure treated wood.
Long story short DIY rookies. You did 2 things improper. A. The prep and 2, the application. I can tell by the way it looks that you did not apply it correctly. Prep+application =successful job. Hire a legit carpenter or painter. That's the homeowner look you were going for! I have done 10+ decks and they all look brand new (minus 1 that starting to looked faded, but still in tact, and this is 7 years later) I love the product. Home depot has cashiers and people that walk around in a given department. That absolutely does NOT make them pros. I am a pro and everytime I have a real world question about process or application they have the wrong answer. Sad times good luck brother. Sand the shit outta it, patch fill, and apply with 3/4 in knap, second coat with black sponge roller head to fill in amy miss
♧Much hard work from Boston!♧
Ok thats what i said to people like you about deck over
The label can must say ' ONLY FOR PROFESSIINAL PAINTERS"
problem solved !
But not they sell tvis crap to evzrybody knowing it must be done by an professional even with that this stuff is crap
The ONLY thing pressure treated wood is any good for is framing the deck or ground contact , i know alot of people use it for the decking they really shouldn’t because it just makes a terrible decking instead use redwood, cedar , mahogany, the best for NYs weather is trex or something like it , in Miami they use this wood called Milnikara , dam near indestructible ! You can get it in NY also , but stay away from PT for decking or handrails .. good luck
I agree. I wish I never used this for the desk. At the time, Trex was just so expensive. However, in the end it would have been worth it!
I think the number of complaints here shows just how much homeowners wish to be skilled trades workers. Love deckover and have made a killing off selling their awesome finish product. Who wants to see finish pics?!
I could've made this exact video, except in my case, my deck is 20 years old and I've used the Deckover product twice now. Two single coats that lasted 4-5 years.....far longer than any of the other products I tried (Semi transparent and solid color stains from Behr and Olympic). The problem now is the peeling which is limited to about 10% of the deck area. I have some wood rot just like the video which is about 3/4 inch deep. My deck boards are 2 inches thick, not 5/4. so it is not a safety issue at this stage. Having to replace 3 or 4 boards after 20 years is acceptable to me. My theory is this: the areas I am having the trouble in are areas where there is minimal or zero spacing between the deck boards....JUST LIKE THIS VIDEO! Note in particular around 5:26 how there is zero gap between deck boards. The issue with the product I believe is that it limits the ability of the wood to breath and if there is zero or near zero spacing between deck boards, the moisture is trapped between the deck board and the product. Looking around at the reviews, many people seem really happy with the product and many are very unhappy. The product looks excellent after 5 years on my deck boards that have at least 1/16" gaps between them. I am working on a scheme to make all my gaps 1/16" minimum.
Same here
Sorry to hear that. It's a real mess. I'm in the process of repairing my desk and stripping this crap off. I'll post video on how I'm dealing with this.
I have used this product in three different applications over a 4 year period. As with any paint job, the key to a good results is in the prep. It is imperative that paint be applied to DRY wood only. In one of my applications on an older worn out deck, I replaced one of the checked boards before painting and the paint failed and pealed on that board ONLY, just like in this video, proving that the wood wasn't dry enough for this product. Water getting behind paint and into the wood will cause any paint to peal. For best results I do the following; pressure wash the old deck, wait at least a week for it to dry and make sure there hasn't been rain in the last three days before applying to dry wood. I would never put this product on newer pressure treated wood as the pressure treated process injects liquid into the wood fibers.
Perfect answer. I was going to type the same thing. The wood must be properly prepped and dry before application of any sealer product or the moisture will be held in and rot will occur.
Inundate the manufacturers and tell them you want linseed oil stain again. Consumers need to make their wishes known. Tired of junk products that don’t soak in and protect the wood. Don’t pay premium prices and get topical crap for it. They pay 💰 for all this advertising time just to sell you crap. Let them know what you want!
Couldn't agree more with you! Hence the power of youtube!
There's like 100 different types of oil based products available on the market my man. You just need to choose to apply them instead of listening to a home depot cashier that happens to be in the paint aisle at the time recommending this garbage.
@@AndYetHereWeAre All you have to do is find a place that carries them. I’m always looking. Still looking👀. Water-born oil based products get close but no cigar...
Worst product ever.
100%
Behr is the worst ! Huge waste of money
110%. I'm still scraping, power washing, and replacing boards. Such a shame.
Thanks to the "save the earth " nuts, we don't get real pressure treated wood like we once did. I built a deck that lasted 20 yrs. Rebuilt it and after 5 yrs it needed to be replaced because the wood was rotting. The wood you got would have done the same thing had you painted it. Not really Bear deck over fault. The wood that is fine is because water did not stand on it. Imo best thing to do is stain and seal a deck every couple yrs, or use the new deck material they have made, trex, does not rot.
My neighbor is going through something similar. Built his 10 years ago and it's fall apart
Mind you, I have a part of my yard that was built 30 years ago and it's still holding up!
@JaysDMC well it also benefits the lumber industry if you have to rebuild a new deck every 8 years instead of 20. Unless they return to actually pressure treating lumber the next deck I build will be built out if the new composit material.
Seems everything is that way now. They don't build things to last.
@@dude8223 so sad...
I'm trying to fix this issue myself
Same issue too. Rails look fine
this may help - th-cam.com/video/0xfSL7N7SbA/w-d-xo.html
I was able to salvage some of my deck after using this terrible product!
Good luck!