Tracklist to this video (in order): Testdrive - Slowya.roll Happy to See You - Sarah, the Illstrumentalist Shades of Purple - Gregory David Twenty Five - Dylan Sitts On Holiday - Gregory David Unspoken Phrases - Timothy Infinite Cupcake Delivery - Dylan Sitts Morning Chirping - Guustavv tempura - justnormal Enjoy your Cigar - Magnus Ringblom Quartet Stasis - Gregory David Moonbeams - Gregory David Canyon Drive - Gregory David Pineapple Waves - Gregory David Pizzazz - Jobii Cathartic - [ocean jams] Tiny Things - Giants' Nest Rights to use these songs were secured by Epidemic Sound. I do not own this music.
Oda was young when he started writing One Piece, I sometimes think he deserves more credit for his religion/history studies than story writing. The dude draws parallels between all of human history and beliefs like it's nothing. Straight philisophy.
it's hilarious that you're spot on about Vegapunk considering his Kaido fruit a failure literally because of the pink coloring, like it's absolutely him being a perfectionist lmao
@@TrueGamer22887fairs but it does seem to both youtubewatcher and me like youre just trying to tell the guy that it was stated in the manga hence why the guy from the video predicted it
I just finished the video and I gotta say this was your best work yet. You managed to intricately weave all of the information into a great presentation. I really appreciate the shout out at the end--it was awesome being able to theory-craft some of this with you, and you went above and beyond with the results. Love you to the end brother ❤
It makes sense that the lunarians were allies with the real joyboy because kaido thought himself to be joyboy and king followed him at the beginning because of that very thinking
An interesting link, but King followed Kaido because he owed him his life and was inspired by his power and confidence in being able to change the world. He only came to believe Kaido might be Joy Boy a while later and notably didn't take the idea very seriously, going so far as to say legends are just legends, and the only thing that mattered to him was that Kaido remained the strongest. Even claiming Joy Boy would never come since he'd have to defeat Kaido.
@@petsan97 "Even claiming Joy Boy would never come since he'd have to defeat Kaido." That face when, you accidentally guess completely correctly. And its gunna hurt.
King was the last of his kind so his own heritage could and was most likely blurred to him. Besides, reboost as they were Lunarians shouldn't have that bigger of a lifespan compared to humans.
super late to this vid but on the topic of swirls important to OP (ie water/sea , devil fruits and souls) when including music into making devil fruits have we considered the treble clef which is usually at the beginning of music pieces? 🎼
I love that since the moon gets it's light from the sun and simply reflects it, the idea of a sun god bringing light to the moon people hits a lot harder, and for them to use this light of the sun to create powerful fruits, it fits even better. Amazing vid!
Here's a little thing I thought of that might add to your theory. I always liked how in a series about humor and laughter each character has a unique laugh, which funnily enough means every character has a unique song to them. The rhythm and pitches of the laughs are generally so distinctive that it might as well be their soul song. Then you have devil fruits, whose names are often taken from real world Japanese sound effects, i.e. unique songs. Combined with the fact that many characters "laugh song" are influenced by their devil fruit songs (Whitebeard's Gurararara, and Kaido's Worororororo) and you have something interesting there. Also, now that I think of it, that may have something to do with awakenings as both of those characters are (probably) awakened. Who knows. Final thought is that maybe the One Piece is a "piece" of music, where all "songs" (laughs) of the world are joined in harmony. Might fit with Oda's wish for World Peace. Or maybe it's an aspect or "piece" of the overall ONE PIECE. I had fun writing these so thanks for the cool theory my brain could play with.
Does that mean luffy’s laugh I’d gonna end up being “Gomumumumumumumumumu!” Or “Nikakakakakakakakakakakakakaka!”, btw I’m not disrespecting what you’re adding on, I actually like that idea, I just tryna say it would be funny, I especially like it if his laugh would end up being “Nikakakakakakaka” cus his fruit is the Nika fruit
This is the most coherent, well put together and thorough theory video I have seen in years, aside from other content you've done. The way you put the information/idea's together is incredible. To me this is simply my new headcannon, there's too much clean logic in this for it not to be atleast very close to on the nail.
what a video, both conclusions have such strong backing.I love when I watch a one piece video and even though id consider myself knowledgeable and a theory fiend, I see connections that just blow my mind. The music and the Bell of Shandora connection was absolutely jaw dropping. The lunarian and lucifer connection was also more in depth than any ive seen. It's amazing how well researched your videos are but I also cannot even imagine how hard it is to be as concise as you are while making an entertaining script. This is the second video of yours I've seen and your presentation and music choice make for such an amazing atmospheric experience. Cannot wait to see your next one and will be going through your library for sure. Thanks for such clear hard work.
I also like the idea that Nika’s final wish would be to become a fruit, so I’d like to say he might not have been the only one who knew how to make it or it could be he knew he was dying and his final act was to become a fruit.
Your content is so goddamn underrated. The amount of effort you put into it all shows, youve become my favourite One Piece channel on the whole of TH-cam. Keep up wih the good work, love to see it!!!!
I bet the real Kuma is really inside the "defective" Seraphim Kuma. That's why he's not responding to orders from Marines/WG. If Kuma was Lunarian or partially. This "unknown" race could be that with him being brown skinned and big (King has huge too).
One thing about lunarians though is that Queen said they can thrive in any inhospitable or natural environments, which definitely means they can be strong at sea. We had Sanji who can use fire underwater (from the time he kicked the octopus)
I feel like the original devil fruits didn't necessarily have a weakness to the sea and that the weakness was a curse placed upon them after some type of betrayal
that is basically what it is imo too, and last chapter kinda confirmed this theory that devil fruits defying the natural logic of "mother nature" was cursed by her now as vega said we dont know how real these gods or mother nature is, but for now it's a personification of people's dreams and thus cursed/betrayal against mother nature defying her to achieve dreams (?) [my own spin]
The way we’ve been following the trail of vegapunk’s inventions throughout this entire story helping to slowly unravel the secrets he’s learned about the world, despite having not seen him once in the first 1000 episodes is a masterclass in worldbuilding
This is my first video of yours. The train of thought, clear and enunciated words, and research is the best I have seen out of several anime review or theory pages I have watched.
"Faulty Smiles cause people to laugh uncontrollably" That shit hit me so hard. Obviously you were talking about smile fruits but I took it as a real life thing. When you put on a fake smile to make other people happy, you tend to do happy things such as laugh a lot even though that might not be how you feel, which ties back into Smile fruits.
Man I'm so glad I'm caught up to the manga and anime, when I was younger I would watch Toonami all the time and my first episode was Franky's introduction in Water 7, and I watched from there all the way to the end of Thriller Bark and they were the best, I knew that it was still going strong so a lot of the stakes that dealt with the protagonists didn't concern me too much but now that the series is about over and there's all this new information coming to light I don't know what to think, I know it's a shonen and everyone will more than likely be fine, but now I'm caught up and can't be spoiled on anything and I'm sitting waiting just like everybody else who's caught up and it's an awesome feeling because it's so great to sit and theorize with everyone what the answers to everything could mean especially after the latest chapters
Even if none of this turns out to be the way it is in the story, this was such a well put together and thorough idea I could hardly see it be done better.
Just started watching but I can already tell this is gonna slap. I have been so excited for this theory from what you’ve said during streams. Great work as always Hidden!
This is a very well thought out theory, and you made and supported your points excellently. Agree or not no one can deny the hard work you put into making and supporting your theory
Great vid as always - love the evolution of the theory from last year. Too many references for this to all be a coincidence (obviously). I won't be shocked at all if there if we learn that you got some stuff absolutely correct with this one.
Having just read through the scans of 1066, the Einstein comparison at 46:28 was more spot-on than initially anticipated. Spoilers, obviously, but the real Vegapunk's design is revealed to bear an uncanny resemblance to Albert Einstein, even posing with the iconic tongue-out face.
i'm still watching at 22:08 but another possible correlation is amazon lilly,it has an arena ( like dressrosa ) that if you strech a litle can resemble a sacrificial place, the 2 inferior rings have no real use, so there may be a reason to have 3 paths leading to the arena with 3 stages and the end being a 4th path to a highter place that you need to go down 1 ring to go up after ( forcing possibilities could be something like normal seas>grand line>mariejoa>grand line>moon?) as a last note the first image of hancock in the arena she has a snake and a falcon behind her, that could also be a reference to alabasta you can even try to correlate with the tenryubito mark that is 3 claws one side, a circle and another claw
Wish I watched this earlier I’ve just been catching up on your laugh talks lounge livestreams. Really love your content I can see how much work you put into them. They are so high quality!
I think you misunderstood the thing about the plants in Marijoa. The plants are real, but the forest itself is “man-made” in the sense that they were planted there for decorative purposes.
When you talk about everything having a soul or spirit, the Going Merry had its own spirit that tried to repair itself for more journeys and even conveniently travels a great distance to save its friends… We also see this with swords in particular the cursed swords which some consider more of a threat to you than your enemy, however like Merry to its crew, his sword wouldn’t cut off his arm because the sword would consider his ambition/skill be worthy of its use, the sword took Zoro as far as it could go just like Merry. Both the Merry and Zoro’s sword have rituals when they pass on, one in a Viking style the other a traditional burial. I think there is also something to be said about Whitebeard’s sword standing over his burial. And the shadow of a once great swordsman literally giving Zoro his sword. The spirit determines his ambition worthy of its use, the sword decides that it will take Zoro as far as it can go to fufil that ambition, whether it dies a long the way doesn’t matter because he was worthy of its aid.
I think it also means tools of great potential. Like swords, like ships, like anything that is cherished, even a straw hat, they have a will unlike a person. The tool accepts eventually it will break and cease to be useful. So it lives its life to the fullest, craving to be useful to the people that cherish it. And not every object is going to get this special treatment from... the supernatural world. It has to be legitimately special to someone. "A ship is born with only one promise, to carry her crew from shore to shore safely." - Frankie to Usopp
I think you were onto something around 23:45. My new guess from your ideas is that the ancient kingdom or maybe it's the one piece is above fishman island but below Mariejois. Imagine the kingdom had a tree which they grew the devil fruit and their enemy wanted to destroy the tree and the kingdom, but the tree was too strong. So they blast it with Uranus, Use Pluton to cover it with the Red Line, and then control the Sea Kings with Poseidon to eradicate the location. Well the only place I know of that is always sunny, covered in land, and defended by seakings is that location. It would also fit with Luffy destroying fishman island, because he has to destroy Mariejois and the redline to uncover the place the Eve tree was planted. We see that it was never dark or night on fishman island, but they were definitely there for more than a day meaning that the tree was always carrying light down. We also know that Mariejois has the canopy while fishman island has the roots, we saw the strawhats visit the redline as well, meaning the tree itself is inside the wall; like attack on titan lol.
I like the idea that the redline was green. you think its possible during the war with the lunarians they deliberately set the redline on fire destroying all the greenery in the hopes it would detract the celestial dragons but they adapted hence the breathing masks
I would say no. I don’t think the lunarians would burn something that believe is sacred. It could’ve been from the fight and their fire abilities but they didn’t deliberately set fire to their forest to dissuade their attackers.
Nah why would they burn their own land. No. It’s more likely they are space suits in some symbolism that they are trying to mirror the lunarians that can breathe in space
The Green Line theory is interesting. But I think, it's not Green Line instead it's called Green Island back then. I think what happen was the World Government attached some random islands to it, make it a line, and dried out all the lands and now it became a Red Line. Afterall, Nami describe the Red Line is a group of adjoining islands, each with a different season.
I always just thought of them as aspects of nature bound to a soul or object. The more in tune you become with the aspect the stronger that force becomes in the world. Like electricity doesn't work on rubber but a lightning bolt will melt it yet luffy just shrugs it off.
Your video left me wondering about Blackbeard and the Yami Yami No Mi. In his fight with Ace, BB claims that's that he knew the shape and abilities of all devil fruits from a book he read (Sanji was also seen reading in a flashback) and that the Yami Yami no Mi chose him much like how the Elders claim that the Nika fruit had the will to chose its host. Plus BB has appeared the same time that we are getting details about Kuma being part of a special race. What if BB is of the same special race like Kuma and was experimented on by Vegapunk during his time in the MADs Era with Judge, Queen and Caesar. BB and Kuma have similar physical features, perhaps they have the same strange body that Marco mentioned back in Marineford, but Vegapunk was perhaps evil back then and did heinous expirements on Teach and maybe sisters, thus giving the young BB the ability to absorb more then one devil fruit. This explain why Teach kept a low profile in WB's ship while searching for the Yami yami no mi, cause he was hiding from the World Government. But this same research maybe what allows Vegapunk the chance to save Kuma.
I love the video, would just add few more related things related to botany: - Robin has the flower fruit - giants are most likely lumberjacks because they are skilled with axes - the Tontata use land suffix - the Earth counters Enel or any electricity for that matter, so earth protects you from the gods wrath
I’m so curious what these 3 other Gods of ____ will be. Oda definitely has plans for the other three. Rain, Earth, Sun and Forest. I wish there was a video out about this that was heavily supported.
@@ReturnOfGodEnel Greenbull is definatly God of Forest, and it would be funny if he was Zoro's father lol, Sanji's father being a king and Zoro's being a God hehe. Also, Dragon is most likely Rain God (a.k.a. weather based fruit). Earth is tricky one, but I seen people saying it may be one of BB fruits. Maybe even third one, theorized to be mythical zoan as well, some kind of demon Bai-Ze who has 3 personalities/souls.
@@Masked_madness09 tough to know but I’m disappointed in green bulls character right now we will see how he would be important enough to have that fruit.
Okay, I tried to look for some comments, old and new, and I didn't find this yet. Your theory was right! The only failure on Vegapunk's part was the color, he admitted it himself when he asked Luffy about the color of the dragon! But of course, it was really convenient that it was a failure and Vegapunk being so clever most likely was both a perfectionist and also knew that the government wouldn't care to research and look for a failed experiment... This video is amazing so far, it inspired me to draft something I looked for a long time ago; a Stardew Valley mod where you would raise and farm Devil Fruits using soul pieces from the environment... And this is exactly what I was needing, this insight on how Joy Boy would use music to gather and animate souls and imbue them into the tree in Marie Jois! I won't be talking too much about it, I don't even know if it's possible, but just writing about it in my notebook again was enough to make me happy. Thank you so much, hope you're doing well fr 💜💜💜
By the way, this wasn't talked about yet but I believe that the way Vegapunk created the Devil Fruits was by first gather Kuma's repulsion power. He mentioned something very specific when the flashback came, talking about the experiment where a person after dying lost a tiny bit of mass that would be the soul. That's how he was able to create a copy of his memory, pain, so on and so forth... But what if you used it on a dragon on Punk Hazard to gather its soul, or its 'voice', and put it into a fruit? Kuma wouldn't be there to use his power all the time, so first thing Vegapunk would do was research to replicate his power, next... Vegapunk discovered a different way to create Devil Fruits, but the Joyboy or Lunarians using music to gather the voice of inanimate things, concepts, and even wishes (such as being able to swim anywhere, my body being any weapon I imagine, I want to spin so fast I'll be able to fly) is amazing.
Hey man, I've seen some of your videos before but never subscribed. Today I click on this 1 hour metatheory, the intro plays for a split second and I say to myself "I hope this is that island guy". I look who posted it and sure enough. So since I guessed it correctly I feel obligated to subscribe. Keep up the good work.
I think the palace on Marie Geois is built on top of the scorched remains of the top of the eve tree. If there are no more new devilfruits, then maybe because people stopped being able to manifest their dreams into them 800 years ago when the green belt because the red line. (i think green belt is more likely than green line)
“Before this, have you heard of pirate ships that had trees on them.” Yes. Many European ships during the age of sail would keep citrus trees in order to prevent scurvy.
also wanna add that nika df literally is only limited by its imagination, if he imagined the souls of his friends via music to then reincarnate their "dreams" into these fruits or soul/will/voice of all things it's actually completely plausible
I really love these theories. I think music and light are not concepts that exclude one another since both are made up of waves, either light or sound. What I find fascinating about this is that, thinking about this further, it's rather likely that that's how Vegapunk split his soul apart. There's a mathematical formula (Fourier Transform) that lets you calculate the waves that make up a sound. That could be how Vegapunk split his soul, this mixture of emotions, into purer/more basic characters. What that also could result in would be some sort of resonance/harmony ability that allows the 6 parts of Vegapunk to fuse back into the original Vegapunk, in other words the docking Franky has always deamt of. Quick reminder that Frankies docking in thriller bark also involved 6 parts. It ultimately failed because Robin refused to dock. Foreshadowing? I think so!
Hey, IDK if Oda is aware of this, but it fits your theory: the etymological root of Seraphim - which means "burning ones" - is the Hebrew "Serap", a word for serpent, snake, or viper, particularly venomous ones. This is used in Jewish mysticism in the draconic forms of angels. This is also related to why near eastern contemporaries of the Israelites, such as the Zoriastrian Persians, viewed them as dragon or serpent worshipers. Obviously this connection points to the serpent theme of the ssg seraphim based on lunarian DNA, as well as their affinity for fire RE King Also FYI seraphim are not the highest angels except in those angelologies based on Psuedo-Dionysus the Areopagite (Catholic) in De Coelesti Hierarchia or on Jacob Nazir (Jewish) in his Maseket Atzilut. Any other formula, such as the Zohar, Maimonides or other important Jewish mystic texts, only have them as the 3rd highest at most (in de Vidas' Reshit Chochmah). It's true that most Christian angelic theology is based on Dionysian angelology, so that's where the common trope comes from that Seraphim are the highest.
A thing to remember is the stated by oda, importance if spirals, the smile fruits are devil fruits without spirals, the have spots where spirals would be, but there are no spirals and I believe that and I'm sure you agree, spirals represent souls and or liniage factor
The way you organize the video is so satisfying. I should learn from ya fr:)🙏🏻💙 And about the redline, I was shocked when I heard it, cuz I’ve never seen someone say a thing close to this😭 If this happens you’re unreal haha
I love one piece theories, people talk such crazy shit and whether it’s right or wrong it very fun to listen to what very well could be 30+ minutes of lunacy
Tracklist to this video (in order):
Testdrive - Slowya.roll
Happy to See You - Sarah, the Illstrumentalist
Shades of Purple - Gregory David
Twenty Five - Dylan Sitts
On Holiday - Gregory David
Unspoken Phrases - Timothy Infinite
Cupcake Delivery - Dylan Sitts
Morning Chirping - Guustavv
tempura - justnormal
Enjoy your Cigar - Magnus Ringblom Quartet
Stasis - Gregory David
Moonbeams - Gregory David
Canyon Drive - Gregory David
Pineapple Waves - Gregory David
Pizzazz - Jobii
Cathartic - [ocean jams]
Tiny Things - Giants' Nest
Rights to use these songs were secured by Epidemic Sound. I do not own this music.
Thank you ❤️
Wahta if you could negate your own devil fruit weekness of not swimming with haki
Thank you so much
One piece and Jazz
Nice Bro
Vega punk is a perfectionist since he got the color wrong he deemed it a failure 🤣
@@oleksandrbyelyenko435😮i😅iBook
Oda was young when he started writing One Piece, I sometimes think he deserves more credit for his religion/history studies than story writing. The dude draws parallels between all of human history and beliefs like it's nothing. Straight philisophy.
Finally someone said it
He definetely knows alot of mythical and historical stuff
Tell me you don't read books without telling me you don't read books. Many authors do that. Read other stories and you will start to see it.
@@darksaint0124 I never said other authors don't do it too. You missed the point of my comment completely.
@darksaint0124 tell me you're an a hole on the internet without telling me your an a hole on the internet
@@darksaint0124 nonce reveal
it's hilarious that you're spot on about Vegapunk considering his Kaido fruit a failure literally because of the pink coloring, like it's absolutely him being a perfectionist lmao
That’s stated in the maga
@@youtubewatcher8858 and? When did I say he didn’t.
@@TrueGamer22887bro for what other reason would u have commented that
@@yonkocool because it was cool it was stated in the manga after he made the video lmao
@@TrueGamer22887fairs but it does seem to both youtubewatcher and me like youre just trying to tell the guy that it was stated in the manga hence why the guy from the video predicted it
I just finished the video and I gotta say this was your best work yet. You managed to intricately weave all of the information into a great presentation. I really appreciate the shout out at the end--it was awesome being able to theory-craft some of this with you, and you went above and beyond with the results. Love you to the end brother ❤
It makes sense that the lunarians were allies with the real joyboy because kaido thought himself to be joyboy and king followed him at the beginning because of that very thinking
An interesting link, but King followed Kaido because he owed him his life and was inspired by his power and confidence in being able to change the world. He only came to believe Kaido might be Joy Boy a while later and notably didn't take the idea very seriously, going so far as to say legends are just legends, and the only thing that mattered to him was that Kaido remained the strongest. Even claiming Joy Boy would never come since he'd have to defeat Kaido.
@@petsan97 "Even claiming Joy Boy would never come since he'd have to defeat Kaido."
That face when, you accidentally guess completely correctly. And its gunna hurt.
Bro you’re in Troy so beautiful
King was the last of his kind so his own heritage could and was most likely blurred to him. Besides, reboost as they were Lunarians shouldn't have that bigger of a lifespan compared to humans.
Boosting algo, but going to watch this live on stream! So will give my input then! Everyone make sure to watch this 3 times cuz once isnt enough
Haha second time watching here. Just have to.
Shiryu the rain god
Par knows what’s up
devil fruits have literal swirls drawn on them.......thus depicting that these fruits have souls////..!!!!
super late to this vid but on the topic of swirls important to OP (ie water/sea , devil fruits and souls) when including music into making devil fruits have we considered the treble clef which is usually at the beginning of music pieces? 🎼
I love that since the moon gets it's light from the sun and simply reflects it, the idea of a sun god bringing light to the moon people hits a lot harder, and for them to use this light of the sun to create powerful fruits, it fits even better. Amazing vid!
Here's a little thing I thought of that might add to your theory. I always liked how in a series about humor and laughter each character has a unique laugh, which funnily enough means every character has a unique song to them. The rhythm and pitches of the laughs are generally so distinctive that it might as well be their soul song.
Then you have devil fruits, whose names are often taken from real world Japanese sound effects, i.e. unique songs. Combined with the fact that many characters "laugh song" are influenced by their devil fruit songs (Whitebeard's Gurararara, and Kaido's Worororororo) and you have something interesting there.
Also, now that I think of it, that may have something to do with awakenings as both of those characters are (probably) awakened. Who knows.
Final thought is that maybe the One Piece is a "piece" of music, where all "songs" (laughs) of the world are joined in harmony. Might fit with Oda's wish for World Peace. Or maybe it's an aspect or "piece" of the overall ONE PIECE.
I had fun writing these so thanks for the cool theory my brain could play with.
One piece genuinely MADE them laugh to add their laughs to the piece.
Does that mean luffy’s laugh I’d gonna end up being “Gomumumumumumumumumu!” Or “Nikakakakakakakakakakakakakaka!”, btw I’m not disrespecting what you’re adding on, I actually like that idea, I just tryna say it would be funny, I especially like it if his laugh would end up being “Nikakakakakakaka” cus his fruit is the Nika fruit
You're on to something...
And manmade, inferior devil fruits are called SMILEs....
@@yoasian_kronos320luffy has a lot of different laughs which i think represents how free he is
13:34 Yes. It's a well-known historical fact that many ships, not just pirates, would grow fruits on their ships to avoid scurvy on long voyages.
This is the most coherent, well put together and thorough theory video I have seen in years, aside from other content you've done. The way you put the information/idea's together is incredible. To me this is simply my new headcannon, there's too much clean logic in this for it not to be atleast very close to on the nail.
what a video, both conclusions have such strong backing.I love when I watch a one piece video and even though id consider myself knowledgeable and a theory fiend, I see connections that just blow my mind. The music and the Bell of Shandora connection was absolutely jaw dropping. The lunarian and lucifer connection was also more in depth than any ive seen. It's amazing how well researched your videos are but I also cannot even imagine how hard it is to be as concise as you are while making an entertaining script. This is the second video of yours I've seen and your presentation and music choice make for such an amazing atmospheric experience. Cannot wait to see your next one and will be going through your library for sure. Thanks for such clear hard work.
Thank you Yassin! A lot of work went into this one, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I appreciate the thoughtful comment!
Bink's sake is probably the song they used to grow the devil fruits and that could be why it has so many ties to joy boy.
I also like the idea that Nika’s final wish would be to become a fruit, so I’d like to say he might not have been the only one who knew how to make it or it could be he knew he was dying and his final act was to become a fruit.
Your content is so goddamn underrated. The amount of effort you put into it all shows, youve become my favourite One Piece channel on the whole of TH-cam. Keep up wih the good work, love to see it!!!!
I bet the real Kuma is really inside the "defective" Seraphim Kuma. That's why he's not responding to orders from Marines/WG. If Kuma was Lunarian or partially. This "unknown" race could be that with him being brown skinned and big (King has huge too).
Or he was programmed to listen to vegapunk primarily. Kim’s that we know is gone
I think kuma is the same race as whitebeard they have the same chin n are both huge
Now that’d be awesome
@@glidergoku The race of big bois
@@glidergoku the chad species 🗿🗿
I like that oda takes inspiration from so many different myths from so many different backgrounds
One thing about lunarians though is that Queen said they can thrive in any inhospitable or natural environments, which definitely means they can be strong at sea. We had Sanji who can use fire underwater (from the time he kicked the octopus)
I feel like the original devil fruits didn't necessarily have a weakness to the sea and that the weakness was a curse placed upon them after some type of betrayal
Why
@@OhOhDaniel why not
that is basically what it is imo too, and last chapter kinda confirmed this theory that devil fruits defying the natural logic of "mother nature" was cursed by her
now as vega said we dont know how real these gods or mother nature is, but for now it's a personification of people's dreams and thus cursed/betrayal against mother nature defying her to achieve dreams (?) [my own spin]
Sounds like some Davy Jone's heart locked away on a beach kind of shit. I like it.
I heard that Neptune cursed them because nikka betrayed him, something like that
The way we’ve been following the trail of vegapunk’s inventions throughout this entire story helping to slowly unravel the secrets he’s learned about the world, despite having not seen him once in the first 1000 episodes is a masterclass in worldbuilding
What a fun theory! It's clear that you put a lot of time into the research of the theory and creation of the video.
Love listening to these theories at work. Such a chill but intellectual vibe
Kuma was using haki in the newest chapter, bro’s prediction was 100% accurate
Bro only makes "greatest theories ever" .. but damn, ur videos and theories are actually reallllllyyyy cool, I'm binging them lol
This is my first video of yours. The train of thought, clear and enunciated words, and research is the best I have seen out of several anime review or theory pages I have watched.
By far the most underrated one piece channel on TH-cam. I only watch information videos on TH-cam but you drop too many bangers
Its crazy you were spot on about Vegapunk knowing about the ancient kingdom
The SMILE fruit causes uncontrollable laughter and so does Luffy's 👀 I've never realised this until now
Thanks!
Loving that you caught the color gag!
I’m REALLLLYYYY liking this dope theory
The vibes are immaculate on this channel
Wow, what a dope intro, love it!
Looking forward to the rest of the theory
You’re the goat man, mindblown once again
SUUUPPEERRR!!!! Most sensible & believable theory I have ever watched. And I very much love your style of video making.
Franky sucks
"Faulty Smiles cause people to laugh uncontrollably" That shit hit me so hard. Obviously you were talking about smile fruits but I took it as a real life thing. When you put on a fake smile to make other people happy, you tend to do happy things such as laugh a lot even though that might not be how you feel, which ties back into Smile fruits.
I watched this video 3 times now to make sure I caught everything. So much information but it ties everything together perfectly! Best video yet
Man I'm so glad I'm caught up to the manga and anime, when I was younger I would watch Toonami all the time and my first episode was Franky's introduction in Water 7, and I watched from there all the way to the end of Thriller Bark and they were the best, I knew that it was still going strong so a lot of the stakes that dealt with the protagonists didn't concern me too much but now that the series is about over and there's all this new information coming to light I don't know what to think, I know it's a shonen and everyone will more than likely be fine, but now I'm caught up and can't be spoiled on anything and I'm sitting waiting just like everybody else who's caught up and it's an awesome feeling because it's so great to sit and theorize with everyone what the answers to everything could mean especially after the latest chapters
Never been more excited to watch a 1 hour long video
I love that u are back to the original aesthetic
Even if none of this turns out to be the way it is in the story, this was such a well put together and thorough idea I could hardly see it be done better.
the intros to all of these videos fill me with so much peace. thank you
I love how the pink was the failure 🤣
Just started watching but I can already tell this is gonna slap. I have been so excited for this theory from what you’ve said during streams. Great work as always Hidden!
I just started the video and before i go ahead i have to say that that is the best intro to a one piece theory I've seen. Bravo my guy!
This is a very well thought out theory, and you made and supported your points excellently. Agree or not no one can deny the hard work you put into making and supporting your theory
Been waiting for this vid since I heard you and Parvision going back and forth!!!
45:21 This aged beautifully
u earned this sub ...at one point i was gonna stop it because i dont wanna mess with my enjoyment of onepeice n this def does ,, well done
I.. I feel like i've gotten spoiled...
Frickin great video man, thanks for that. You are brilliant ✨️
Here from That One Piece Talk, Loved the video! This has to be one of the best theories out there!
Im starting to realize that this is the greatest story ever written 🙌
Give this man a medal for ignoring youtube algo to educate us on this theory.
To be fair this video appeared twice in my recommended
THE funniest thing is we know now why Momos is a failure thanks to the spoilers. Its due to its color not being blue like Kaidos. THATS IT
A song of souls theory makes so much more sense than vegapunk's hypothesis on devil fruit theory! Such good insights!
Awesome theory mate, also going to do my part and contribute to the Almighty algorithm.
Great vid as always - love the evolution of the theory from last year. Too many references for this to all be a coincidence (obviously). I won't be shocked at all if there if we learn that you got some stuff absolutely correct with this one.
Having just read through the scans of 1066, the Einstein comparison at 46:28 was more spot-on than initially anticipated. Spoilers, obviously, but the real Vegapunk's design is revealed to bear an uncanny resemblance to Albert Einstein, even posing with the iconic tongue-out face.
Oda pretty much channels Arthus C. Clarke, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".
haven’t even started the video but if it’s a hidden island upload i already know it’s gonna be a banger
Keeping the music alive. You filthy monster of a guy. 🖤💫🙌
i'm still watching at 22:08 but another possible correlation is amazon lilly,it has an arena ( like dressrosa ) that if you strech a litle can resemble a sacrificial place, the 2 inferior rings have no real use, so there may be a reason to have 3 paths leading to the arena with 3 stages and the end being a 4th path to a highter place that you need to go down 1 ring to go up after ( forcing possibilities could be something like normal seas>grand line>mariejoa>grand line>moon?)
as a last note the first image of hancock in the arena she has a snake and a falcon behind her, that could also be a reference to alabasta
you can even try to correlate with the tenryubito mark that is 3 claws one side, a circle and another claw
Wish I watched this earlier I’ve just been catching up on your laugh talks lounge livestreams. Really love your content I can see how much work you put into them. They are so high quality!
It was wonderful to sit down and watch this with an ice cold beer
Just found your channel today, and I gotta say, these theory videos are getting my quite rigid. Very good work, keep it up man.
I think you misunderstood the thing about the plants in Marijoa. The plants are real, but the forest itself is “man-made” in the sense that they were planted there for decorative purposes.
That’s a fair point!
So happy to see this getting so much attention and engagement. Great video, you really expanded the theory!
I can get lost in this & Dak’s videos for hours. In fact, I do.
this vid was really cool man, hope it goes viral
Most underrated One Piece channel on TH-cam. Such a good theory, can't wait to see in at all pan out in the manga 🙌
When you talk about everything having a soul or spirit, the Going Merry had its own spirit that tried to repair itself for more journeys and even conveniently travels a great distance to save its friends…
We also see this with swords in particular the cursed swords which some consider more of a threat to you than your enemy, however like Merry to its crew, his sword wouldn’t cut off his arm because the sword would consider his ambition/skill be worthy of its use, the sword took Zoro as far as it could go just like Merry.
Both the Merry and Zoro’s sword have rituals when they pass on, one in a Viking style the other a traditional burial.
I think there is also something to be said about Whitebeard’s sword standing over his burial.
And the shadow of a once great swordsman literally giving Zoro his sword. The spirit determines his ambition worthy of its use, the sword decides that it will take Zoro as far as it can go to fufil that ambition, whether it dies a long the way doesn’t matter because he was worthy of its aid.
I think it also means tools of great potential. Like swords, like ships, like anything that is cherished, even a straw hat, they have a will unlike a person. The tool accepts eventually it will break and cease to be useful. So it lives its life to the fullest, craving to be useful to the people that cherish it. And not every object is going to get this special treatment from... the supernatural world. It has to be legitimately special to someone.
"A ship is born with only one promise, to carry her crew from shore to shore safely." - Frankie to Usopp
honestly this and parvisions pluton theory actually work really well together
I love that your videos titles arent click bait
The straw hat is not only made from straws, aka plants, but it's also the headwear of choice for many farmers that stay out in the sun all day.
I think you were onto something around 23:45. My new guess from your ideas is that the ancient kingdom or maybe it's the one piece is above fishman island but below Mariejois. Imagine the kingdom had a tree which they grew the devil fruit and their enemy wanted to destroy the tree and the kingdom, but the tree was too strong. So they blast it with Uranus, Use Pluton to cover it with the Red Line, and then control the Sea Kings with Poseidon to eradicate the location. Well the only place I know of that is always sunny, covered in land, and defended by seakings is that location. It would also fit with Luffy destroying fishman island, because he has to destroy Mariejois and the redline to uncover the place the Eve tree was planted. We see that it was never dark or night on fishman island, but they were definitely there for more than a day meaning that the tree was always carrying light down. We also know that Mariejois has the canopy while fishman island has the roots, we saw the strawhats visit the redline as well, meaning the tree itself is inside the wall; like attack on titan lol.
I like the idea that the redline was green. you think its possible during the war with the lunarians they deliberately set the redline on fire destroying all the greenery in the hopes it would detract the celestial dragons but they adapted hence the breathing masks
I would say no. I don’t think the lunarians would burn something that believe is sacred. It could’ve been from the fight and their fire abilities but they didn’t deliberately set fire to their forest to dissuade their attackers.
Probably sacred*
Nah why would they burn their own land. No. It’s more likely they are space suits in some symbolism that they are trying to mirror the lunarians that can breathe in space
The Green Line theory is interesting. But I think, it's not Green Line instead it's called Green Island back then. I think what happen was the World Government attached some random islands to it, make it a line, and dried out all the lands and now it became a Red Line. Afterall, Nami describe the Red Line is a group of adjoining islands, each with a different season.
I always just thought of them as aspects of nature bound to a soul or object. The more in tune you become with the aspect the stronger that force becomes in the world.
Like electricity doesn't work on rubber but a lightning bolt will melt it yet luffy just shrugs it off.
Okay, how the hell do you keep coming up with high-quality theories so often?
You had me setting down think about the past 18 ish years i have been watching this show and how this lowkey make since, plus the IMU video as well 🤯
Your video left me wondering about Blackbeard and the Yami Yami No Mi. In his fight with Ace, BB claims that's that he knew the shape and abilities of all devil fruits from a book he read (Sanji was also seen reading in a flashback) and that the Yami Yami no Mi chose him much like how the Elders claim that the Nika fruit had the will to chose its host. Plus BB has appeared the same time that we are getting details about Kuma being part of a special race.
What if BB is of the same special race like Kuma and was experimented on by Vegapunk during his time in the MADs Era with Judge, Queen and Caesar. BB and Kuma have similar physical features, perhaps they have the same strange body that Marco mentioned back in Marineford, but Vegapunk was perhaps evil back then and did heinous expirements on Teach and maybe sisters, thus giving the young BB the ability to absorb more then one devil fruit. This explain why Teach kept a low profile in WB's ship while searching for the Yami yami no mi, cause he was hiding from the World Government. But this same research maybe what allows Vegapunk the chance to save Kuma.
dude you were on the money about some things in the latest chapter :0
I love the video, would just add few more related things related to botany:
- Robin has the flower fruit
- giants are most likely lumberjacks because they are skilled with axes
- the Tontata use land suffix
- the Earth counters Enel or any electricity for that matter, so earth protects you from the gods wrath
In Skypia there was mentioning of God of Earth (and 3 others including Sun God)
I’m so curious what these 3 other Gods of ____ will be. Oda definitely has plans for the other three. Rain, Earth, Sun and Forest. I wish there was a video out about this that was heavily supported.
@@ReturnOfGodEnel Greenbull is definatly God of Forest, and it would be funny if he was Zoro's father lol, Sanji's father being a king and Zoro's being a God hehe. Also, Dragon is most likely Rain God (a.k.a. weather based fruit). Earth is tricky one, but I seen people saying it may be one of BB fruits. Maybe even third one, theorized to be mythical zoan as well, some kind of demon Bai-Ze who has 3 personalities/souls.
@@ReturnOfGodEnel also Zoro's father: tree, Zoro: mosshead 😭😭
@@Masked_madness09 tough to know but I’m disappointed in green bulls character right now we will see how he would be important enough to have that fruit.
what an amazing theory/video the quality and passion you put into you’re videos is so awesome keep up the amazing work hidden!
Music and dance are the 2 purest forms self expression.
idk why but this video is very calming. i love the way you speak
Okay, I tried to look for some comments, old and new, and I didn't find this yet. Your theory was right! The only failure on Vegapunk's part was the color, he admitted it himself when he asked Luffy about the color of the dragon!
But of course, it was really convenient that it was a failure and Vegapunk being so clever most likely was both a perfectionist and also knew that the government wouldn't care to research and look for a failed experiment...
This video is amazing so far, it inspired me to draft something I looked for a long time ago; a Stardew Valley mod where you would raise and farm Devil Fruits using soul pieces from the environment... And this is exactly what I was needing, this insight on how Joy Boy would use music to gather and animate souls and imbue them into the tree in Marie Jois! I won't be talking too much about it, I don't even know if it's possible, but just writing about it in my notebook again was enough to make me happy.
Thank you so much, hope you're doing well fr
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By the way, this wasn't talked about yet but I believe that the way Vegapunk created the Devil Fruits was by first gather Kuma's repulsion power.
He mentioned something very specific when the flashback came, talking about the experiment where a person after dying lost a tiny bit of mass that would be the soul. That's how he was able to create a copy of his memory, pain, so on and so forth...
But what if you used it on a dragon on Punk Hazard to gather its soul, or its 'voice', and put it into a fruit? Kuma wouldn't be there to use his power all the time, so first thing Vegapunk would do was research to replicate his power, next...
Vegapunk discovered a different way to create Devil Fruits, but the Joyboy or Lunarians using music to gather the voice of inanimate things, concepts, and even wishes (such as being able to swim anywhere, my body being any weapon I imagine, I want to spin so fast I'll be able to fly) is amazing.
one of the best one piece theory i’ve ever watched on TH-cam 🙌🏾
Hey man, I've seen some of your videos before but never subscribed. Today I click on this 1 hour metatheory, the intro plays for a split second and I say to myself "I hope this is that island guy". I look who posted it and sure enough. So since I guessed it correctly I feel obligated to subscribe. Keep up the good work.
It's really great to see this channel grow!
I think the palace on Marie Geois is built on top of the scorched remains of the top of the eve tree. If there are no more new devilfruits, then maybe because people stopped being able to manifest their dreams into them 800 years ago when the green belt because the red line.
(i think green belt is more likely than green line)
Just wow! It was a huuuuuge work. Thank you very much💜
“Before this, have you heard of pirate ships that had trees on them.” Yes. Many European ships during the age of sail would keep citrus trees in order to prevent scurvy.
also wanna add that nika df literally is only limited by its imagination, if he imagined the souls of his friends via music to then reincarnate their "dreams" into these fruits or soul/will/voice of all things it's actually completely plausible
I really love these theories. I think music and light are not concepts that exclude one another since both are made up of waves, either light or sound. What I find fascinating about this is that, thinking about this further, it's rather likely that that's how Vegapunk split his soul apart. There's a mathematical formula (Fourier Transform) that lets you calculate the waves that make up a sound. That could be how Vegapunk split his soul, this mixture of emotions, into purer/more basic characters. What that also could result in would be some sort of resonance/harmony ability that allows the 6 parts of Vegapunk to fuse back into the original Vegapunk, in other words the docking Franky has always deamt of.
Quick reminder that Frankies docking in thriller bark also involved 6 parts. It ultimately failed because Robin refused to dock. Foreshadowing? I think so!
Hey, IDK if Oda is aware of this, but it fits your theory: the etymological root of Seraphim - which means "burning ones" - is the Hebrew "Serap", a word for serpent, snake, or viper, particularly venomous ones. This is used in Jewish mysticism in the draconic forms of angels. This is also related to why near eastern contemporaries of the Israelites, such as the Zoriastrian Persians, viewed them as dragon or serpent worshipers. Obviously this connection points to the serpent theme of the ssg seraphim based on lunarian DNA, as well as their affinity for fire RE King
Also FYI seraphim are not the highest angels except in those angelologies based on Psuedo-Dionysus the Areopagite (Catholic) in De Coelesti Hierarchia or on Jacob Nazir (Jewish) in his Maseket Atzilut. Any other formula, such as the Zohar, Maimonides or other important Jewish mystic texts, only have them as the 3rd highest at most (in de Vidas' Reshit Chochmah). It's true that most Christian angelic theology is based on Dionysian angelology, so that's where the common trope comes from that Seraphim are the highest.
A thing to remember is the stated by oda, importance if spirals, the smile fruits are devil fruits without spirals, the have spots where spirals would be, but there are no spirals and I believe that and I'm sure you agree, spirals represent souls and or liniage factor
Infinite spirals? Gear Infinity soon! Get ready for it
The way you organize the video is so satisfying.
I should learn from ya fr:)🙏🏻💙
And about the redline, I was shocked when I heard it, cuz I’ve never seen someone say a thing close to this😭
If this happens you’re unreal haha
And keep it goin buddy! 👏🏻💙
subscribing purely cause of the intro and thumbnail, that was amazing
Thank you for delivering well thought out ideas, your relaxed delivery and style is a blessing. Would love to see you and Tekking do some combo work
I love one piece theories, people talk such crazy shit and whether it’s right or wrong it very fun to listen to what very well could be 30+ minutes of lunacy