The Celestial Dragons refute any claims made in this video. The individual know as Hidden Island is wanted, dead or alive, for a bounty of 2.5 billion Berry.
Uhahahahahahahhaha soon me and my boys will claim mariejois as ours, my buddies Crocodile and Mihawk are just waiting for my orders to attack the Holy Land Uhahahahahahahha
Also. The first Strawhat ship is a Lamb that dies to save the lives of the crew. Then new ship is a Lion. Jesus is refered to in the Bible as both the Lamb and the Lion.
Your observations about Garling essentially becoming Imu's first mate and the closeness of the moon to the Earth are really refreshing. I've heard several theories saying that Garling is going to be the start of Imu's downfall, and that he'll even betray Imu.
If anyone betrays Imu it’ll be Ju Peter. Emperor Nero faced a betrayal by Saint Peter and just like celestial dragons crucified him as a form of execution.
We had a couple of moments where the Gorosei implied they weren't around since the void century: they're only familiar with Emeth from 200 years ago, and their conversation during Luffy's gear 5th.
I theorize that the Gorosei are likely some relatively close descendants of the 20 kingdoms. That is, maybe Imu waited a century to have five elders at all. So he waited 100 or so years to recruit the great or great great grandsons of other 5 kings to be his five elders, such that the time entails no attachment with his void century comrades. (Or he waited multiple centuries to select the Gorosei) For me it is pretty obvious that they are very far from the void century. Nusjuro talked about how the WG failed to find the Gum Gum for 800 years as though they werent the ones looking for it. (That is, they werent.)
@@MihajloNasticatleast 300 since he was already old as hell 200 years ago. Btw we have to notice that he was one of the Gorosei who accepted Fishman Island in the Reverie, i wonder what they planned
@@Ypacc0And the Mihawk one I’d say it works very well with Par’s “Mihawk is a Sword” theory, but then again, I’m simply just an agenda rat pushing ratty agendas🤷🏾♂️
Garling joining Gorosei signifies that we are heading towards the end of the story. It's in his design.. while looking at him in the eye straight onward, he look's like a star. Just like how the Gorosei are referred to the Five Elder Stars or Planets, so his apperance can be decieving. Initially looking like a star, but turning him and seeing his side profile, his appearance is a crested Moon. We know the importance of the moon within One Piece. The Moon signifies the dawn will come eventually. The light refracted to us signifies the Sun will come again. I think the Gorosei's ranks being infiltrated by a man with Moon symbolism seem's like an omen of how the Gorosei's status is breaking down, and the dawn is closest to the highest ranks of the World Government than ever.
Good points bro, the way I also like to look at it is that his hair from the front also looks like the world government logo, kinda like how lucci had the WG scar on his back. Oda’s way of showing that these guys are obedient servants/enforcers of the WG agenda
@@TheHiddenIsland- the d clan are the enemies of the gods because they are only ones that want freedom and do not want to be slaves even 5 elders are slaves on emu being killed off if they fail his orders
@@tristan6773 Recently, the Minks get Sulong forms from the full moon, but the comment was saying that the moon precedes the good guys, rather represent them. i.e. Pedro naming his crew the Nox Pirates to herald "the dawn of the world", and Toki prophesies that Orochi is "the moon unaware of the dawn".
30~ minute mark. The Gorosei are from the first 20 kings. Strong disagree. The Gorosei didn't recognise Emeth, one of Joyboy's nakama. If they were involved in the Void Century, you'd assume they'd know Joyboy's crew. The Gorosei (Ju Peter, I believe) said during Gear 5 awakening that the Nika fruit had become a legend even to them. Why would it be a legend if they'd been around while the OG Nika fruit user led the ancient kingdom? It seems far more likely (imo) that the God's Knights and potentially other groups make up the inner circle of WG power who know about Imu/understand there's something above the Gorosei. Imu selects the best from those groups to replace the Gorosei when they fail him. Next man up kinda thing.
@@coachingconfidant2785 I get that for the world in general (although the world still knows Nerona Imu as someone from the 20 kings, so that’s still a bit weird) but it would be a pretty glaring oversight from Imu and Oda if Imu had purposefully made his best subordinates ignorant of some pretty low level stuff (who Emeth is, for example) while making them privy to some key information (that the Nika fruit exists and has been renamed the gum-gum fruit) Wouldn’t make much sense imo.
While I agree with a majority of this theory, I do think that there is more evidence pointing to at least some of the Gorosei having been replaced after the Void Century than to the contrary. Saturn not knowing what Emet(h) was 200 years ago and keeping him around leads me to believe that he was not around during the Void Century, at the very least. Saturn will throw away years of scientific research in order to achieve Imu's goals (as seen in Egghead) so if he knew what Emet was, I don't believe he would have kept him around. Another possibility as to why the Gorosei have scars is because they were chosen like Garling was: They were former heads of the God's Knights. As always awesome theory!
I 2nd this. There’s no way Saturn was present during the Void Century & wanted to “study” Emeth. I would sooner wager he was the newest Gorosei (still hundreds of years ago), now that “position” has passed to a new body.
I think the complete opposite, the ancient kingdom was the one Technologically advanced and Saturn knows this, but their technology was lost throughout the war/flood. Emeth was the opportunity to try and get closer to the mother flame which is what Imu really needs to end the war once and for all. Remember Imu got pissed off because Saturn let them go, not because he kept the robot.
@@ElNavegador- Hmm, maybe… after going over the chapter again, I’ve come to realize that the way I interpreted Saturn’s dialogue could be taken differently, as it’s more ambiguous than I thought. Saturn told a marine to salvage the giant against standing orders to destroy it, BUT those orders could’ve come from a superior in the Navy and Imu could’ve been aware of Saturn’s decision (which seems likely). After Imu asks Saturn why he let JoyBoy escape, Saturn said, “I did not know those powers were so nebulous.” I took it to mean he didn’t know Joy Boy’s haki could be so strong, BUT he could’ve been referring to Imu’s powers, which were cooking him at that moment. So my reasons for supporting the orig. post might not hold up.
Shanks: Death (he 1shots people) Big Mom: Famine (she always hungry) Kaido: War (this one speaks for itself) Whitebeard: Conquest (He was the man closest to one piece and controlled the most territory) Blackbeard replaces Whitebeard as Conquest which fits since he wants to take over the world. Luffy replacing kaido as war kinda fits too since he will start the final war and loves to fight Buggy dont fit i cannot even lie but thats kinda the point of him being a yonko The 7 deadly warlords Mihawk: Pride (bro refuses to even fight shanks after he lost his arm and uses 0 named attacks, also baratie incident) Hancock: Lust (she horny for luffy and uses the love fruit which works on people who lust for her) Moria: Sloth (bro uses shadow puppets to fight and barely moves) Doflamingo: Envy (his driving motivation is that he is mad he didnt get to be a celestial dragon) Crocodile: Greed (he wants the ancient weapon and to rule alabasta) Kuma: Wrath (he was initially introduced as a tyrant so i think this fits) Jinbe: Gluttony (i dont really got a good one for this but hes kinda round lol)
there's one more wrench in this theory: during the chapter where we learn about the gomu gomu no mi being a mythical zoan, we see Ju Peter asking the other gorosei about why the government hid the name of the fruit, implying that he's joined the gorosei more recently, despite his scar... evidenced also by his younger appearance compared to the rest
Always a treat to see a new video release from you. I love following along with your logic, and video essays like this really help appreciate the source material all that much more.
i am just speechless. You left no room for me to put a word in. What a Spotless Theory I am very very thrilled and looking forward to see it all come true at some point. Fantastic Job
What I like the most out of this theory is this kinda changes the perspective of the government. For so long we thought the ancient kingdom wielded the most power and used it irresponsibly, but here we see the 20 kings attempt to wield power far outside their own control and are arguably more irresponsible than the ancient kingdom (depending on how the sea levels were raised). My my, how the tables have turned! And I can’t wait for Elbaf because I think it’ll be a Skypiea parallel. Making Egghead and subsequently Elbaf afterwards an exploration into and discussion of the battle between science & religion. Logic vs. Faith, or Heart over reason, one of the main core principles of the show. Meaning that the government or 20 kings will likely be painted as sympathetic in the ancient war. They only wanted that power over reasons of heart, for their ideas of the honest betterment of the world. But once they let the devil, knowledge (reason,) take over, knowledge has its own ideas of right and wrong, what’s good and bad. What’s justice and what’s freedom, and who’s painted good versus who’s painted evil. Freedom/Faith becomes chaos, and control/reason becomes safety. The 20 kings, ironically in their quest for knowledge just like Ohara’s scholars, learned too much.
At the end of the day, the 20 kings were weak men who after exhausting their options, took a deal with satan to retain their power, and are therefore slaves to a force of evil even more powerful than it.
i like this theory a lot except for the speculation that the gorosei were some of the Kings that fought the ancient kingdom, Even the gorosei had only heard tales of joyboy rather then seeing him in action and speak of him as if he was a legend they never encountered, and i doubt that would be the case if he fought them
yea chapter 1044 is the biggest obstacle for that part of the theory, i should have considered it more. I think there's still room for them to have been around but not fully understand what joyboy's power was, which is why the fruit has been able to elude them for so long. if they understood how devil fruits work, they wouldn't have vegapunk researching them - which leads me to believe joyboy's power is just as mysterious to them as their powers are mysterious to us
They probably never got even close to see him, remember this is a country as advanced as the modern day USA and more, while they are revolutionary war era countries at best. Haki may be a equalizer for them to not immediately perish at the sight of the tanks but overall they are not fighting the top leaders of the great country.
Mentioning the allusion to IC XC NIKA is everything I love about this channel. Profound. As a Christian, I saw the name “NIKA” and knew immediately of the parallel. In the Bible, Jesus also talks about how the sinless will be made white as snow. Is it any coincidence that Luffy is most “free” when he is in that form? Free of limits and “sin” in other words, a perfect child of God?
On top of that, take a look at the One Piece world map. It looks like that cross. The lines of the cross being the red line and grand line. Luffy is from the East Blue which is in the upper right corner on the world map, exactly where the cross would spell out "Christ"
Check out Revelations 1:14-15's description of Jesus Christ physically: [14] His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; [15] And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
@@benl.4577Absolutely! To add to that, when he ascended up the Mount of Transfiguration: Matthew 17:2 “And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.”
Words fail to describe how amazing how are, man. The way you reel me in with these theories is unreal I was thinking I would watch half the video now and see the rest on lunch tomorrow and here I am with eyes glued until the end. Good work dude!
I have been saying for months that Nika is clearly a reference to the Greek verb νικάω (nikao) which we see rendered as Νικα (Nika) which means "he conquers." Glad somebody finally picked this up.
How do you rationalize the the gorosei in 1044 mentioning that the awakening of the Nila fruit was “a legend even to us” which basically states no gorosei was present in the void century war, otherwise they would remember Joy Boy.
yea someone pointed this out to me on twitter just recently, it's a good point that i didn't pay enough attention to admittedly. the only way i can rationalize it is that the origin of the fruit was even before their time, and after joyboy died they didn't know what happened to it. after all they said it's been "eluding them" for centuries. after a long enough time with no sign of it, it maybe passed into legend
I think this chapter has hints as to who was there in the void century, Jupiter refers to "the world gov" as if he wasn't part of it, so he might have been a newer member (he also reacts differently about Garling becoming an elder probably because the previous elder to Jupiter got killed too), Warcury is the one that makes the comment about the DF not awakening for 800 years. Saturn and Mars were alive at least 200years ago since mars also recognises Emeth.
I'm not huge into one piece but I regularly watch your videos to get better ideas for the editing and pacing of my own content (completely unrelated to one piece or manga) because everything is just so professional and clean. Always been blown away by your openings but your ability to keep a solid pace despite dropping massive amounts of information, and doing so in digestible ways, is head and shoulders above the vast majority of your tube content creators. Keep up the great work man!!
Probably misremembering but wasn't there also a thing of his image being used for far-right material? Would be a pretty meta joke fitting for figarland lol
I believe Blackbeard either can or will one day be able to swim, because the real Blackbeard had a legend where after he was beheaded and thrown overboard, he swam around his ship three times before finally sinking.
One thought that makes sense is that Ju Peter was clearly worried with Jay Garcia's replacement because he fears that he'll be replaced too. After all, he's the Godhead of Agriculture and the Holy Land is crumbling to pieces due to the starving situation.
Fact: Garling is often associated with the moon because of his hair but in reality it's all a matter of perspective because if we look at Garling from the side his hair looks like a half moon while if we look at him from the front his hair looks like a four-pointed star
both are associated with the world govt/ imu… plus the cover stories with enel showed that the moon itself has beings and they had lost some kind of war.
Regarding the Gorosei being the original kings, when Nika awakened didnt the Gorosei say that there were "previous" members of Gorosei that went after the fruit and couldnt get it? My memory is fuzzy.
I don't think that the gorosei are original kings, at least not all of them. Saturn didn't know what Emet was when he discovered it 200 years ago, and was clearly quite amazed by the level of technology that Emet was made up of. This likely means Saturn wasn't fully aware of the technology that the ancient kingdom had and therefore was likely born after the void century.
I don't usually watch theory videos about One Piece but I watched this one on a whim and the quality is out standing. Every point was clear and it all made sense
It would make sense. When Garling introduced himself as One of the gorosei, Ju Peter was sweating profusely. Maybe he's afraid of Garling, who might discover who he really is
Yoooo, this theory is insane! I love the callback to brook's timeskip arc, it always felt strangely out of place for me, but I could never put my finger on why until now. Small gripes, I just feel like its too soon to refer to imu as 'him' and I really don't want this theory to age poorly! 'They' and 'them' just feel so much more appropriate at this point in the story, we don't know anything about their characteristics after all.
The only thing i don't agree with is that the elders are from the void century. When saturn was killed, while asking for mercy to imu-sama, sounded surprised with joyboy's power, as if he had never experienced it directly. Also, he let the scientists fron 200 years ago study Emeth, as if he didn't knew he was not just a robot but actualy a scentient being and joyboy's friend. They are old, sure, but probably not original kings
Gorosei's are Evil Dicktators! very few videos change my perception of one piece world and this one did it, for me that is the peak of one piece content! love you a lot & let these banger videos coming more often
Maybe I missed it but I thought you were gonna add that devil fruits likely only reincarnate through apples, as the apple imagery is plentiful throughout the manga. We've seen the axolotl fruit reform thru an apple and coincidentally Vegapunk 's antenna is an apple as well. These are part of an even bigger Eve tree/Imu theory I've been working on a while
It seems that everyone have forgotten about the fact that prior the timeskip as Kuma separated the crew, Brook ended up with the “satanist” trying to summon the devil. I always thought that whatever circle they used back then , resembled those of the Gorosei when they got to egghead. You’re the first one finally mentioning it! Thank you !
Oooh, I never noticed the numbers in the Gorosei's summoning circles! This is why I love watching your videos. You help me pick up on all the details and follow the story on all layers.
The one piece is a one piece swimsuit that was owned by Nerona Imu the be one who couldn’t swim. In a world where they were shined for their demonic features, they found friendship with Joyboy. The live between them was strong till once from aside the waters, Joyboy laughed. The swimsuit to him looked quite funny, but to Imu this laugh was confirmation. That Joyboy only saw them as a joke. From that day on the solem distrust grew to hate. It slowly spread till it bore fruit, literally that once the starved got there hands on became servants to the strength. Servants of Imu.
luffy is hanuman, the monkey god there is more than enough proof, he even uses the bajrang gun attack. hanuman's brother is agni, the fire god and hanuman's father is pavan, the wind god. luffy will eat the mother flame. hanuman also burns the kingdom of lanka, with his tail so luffy will burn fishman island, and maybe mary geoise. his df will combine with bonney's and they will combine and they will go back in time and meet the original joyoboy. the poneglyph where joyoboy apologizes is actually luffy saying sorry to the original joyboy. the original joyboy's name is something like dyras i am not sure. the books of ohara are in elbaph and vegapunk will join the revolutionary army. blackbeard's dark fruit is the king of hell. the ancient ship crashed and caused a great flood. imu is joyboy's elder brother and joyoboy has an eyepatch
13:21 Can I just mention that this Cross also looks like the One Piece world map? The lines of the cross being the red line and the grand line, dividing the four seas. Luffy comes from the East Blue which positioned on this cross would be "Christ" ... god damn this is a rabbit hole
Shout out to you, Hidden. Your videos are some of the best OP videos on the Internet, and provide some of the most compelling theories I've seen. As a writer myself, I've found plenty of inspiration for my own works in your videos, and I wanted to thank you personally for that.
I think the reason most of the Gorosei are old is that it gives Imu more control. Imu picks them when they’re old, grants them immortality, and then they HAVE to be loyal else Imu take their powers away. Doesn’t work with Peter, but maybe he had an illness or something.
I think it is because you had more time to achieve more things. Figarland Garling is without a doubt the one with the strongest resume. It is like the upper management of companies. Moreover, I think IMU it's a child, so them being old makes more contrast
The devil does also have a connection to celestial bodies, Lucifer Morningstar. Although that has a connection to the planet Venus. And with the dawn too. Man these videos really gets me thinking
I believe Garling also symbolizes the ajudicatior from the John Wick franchise. As he seems to be the only one. Besides "The Elder" or Imu, who has the right to judge the high table or Gorosei in this case.
Never commented on any youtube videos before but I just had to say how amazing you have explained the truth about all of the influences in this amazing story!
This video was extremely well made, the work and thought process that was poured into this video is insanely enjoyable. Thank you truly, keep up the amazing work, you def got a new subscriber and very excited to binge your videos God bless you!
So much stuff to comment on in this, amazing work as always! First of all, I do think the Gorosei we know have existed from practically the start of the World Government, but not from the beginning of the war, because they mentioned the Nika fruit being a myth even to them. They most certainly fought in the war, but I think they never faced Joyboy himself. Either that or the myth thing was hyperbole because it's been centuries. As you said, the seven deadly sins and four horsemen theories don't really have much ground to stand on, but I do like them. Kinda interested in writing up a Four Horsemen one myself, some funny thoughts I had after you mentioned it. The five demons aiding Lucifer thing is something I never thought of, and some of the ones in those five fit the things the Five Elders are connected to. Mammon is associated with greed, and there is a Warrior God of Finance, Moloch is often demonized as a god associated with child sacrifice and the suffering of parents and children, and he's a bull-headed god, resembling Saturn. Beelzebub is associated with locusts and thus famine, and there is a Warrior God of Agriculture. The remaining two are a bit more of a stretch, but there's some association with justice at least.
You're cooking as always, only wrench in the 5 kings theory in my opinion, is that the gorosei don't seem to actually have first hand experience with the Human-Human Fruit Mythical Type: Model Nika. They talk of it as if they've only been told about the fruit, and didn't fight Joyboy first hand. This could also be Oda exposition dumping haphazardly, excellent theory otherwise completely watertight
I'd really like for Oda to play with the question, "What is the devil?" After all, the power of Nika is granted through a devil fruit, and we see in Skypiea that God is a title given to whoever wields power. Many cultures and philosophies view the devil in different ways. Some see him as the root of all evil, others see him as a bringer of truth to humanity and so on. One of the most famous symbols of the devil in pop culture is Baphomet, an androgynous deity that originally represented duality and harmony (and is probably linked to alchemy because of how similar it is to another symbol called rebis, which is very popular in Japanese media) but was twisted by the church because of the fear of paganism.
I love that you brought up Brook’s time skip because I also used this portion as a theory of the Goroseii having actual demon powers and Imu being Satan making soul contracts with the Goroseii.
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The Celestial Dragons refute any claims made in this video. The individual know as Hidden Island is wanted, dead or alive, for a bounty of 2.5 billion Berry.
Wanted just dead
Lolz, as if you ROLLING DRAGONS knew how to spell
Are you guys using cannons to hunt rabbits?
Who? The individual known as The Hidden Island never existed.
Uhahahahahahahhaha soon me and my boys will claim mariejois as ours, my buddies Crocodile and Mihawk are just waiting for my orders to attack the Holy Land Uhahahahahahahha
Also. The first Strawhat ship is a Lamb that dies to save the lives of the crew. Then new ship is a Lion. Jesus is refered to in the Bible as both the Lamb and the Lion.
didnt fully buy the christian symbolism as a driving influence until i saw this tbh but its very spot on
Actually brilliant point that I think only you and one other person mentioned. I wish I picked up on that while writing this video lol
Holy shit. Nice connection
we all know that luffy is jesus in this story by the same standard Naruto was. that being said japanese/chinese mytho themes is the primary.
But Luffy is abbreviation of Lucifer. Individual freedom and responsibility is Luciferianism.
Your observations about Garling essentially becoming Imu's first mate and the closeness of the moon to the Earth are really refreshing. I've heard several theories saying that Garling is going to be the start of Imu's downfall, and that he'll even betray Imu.
If anyone betrays Imu it’ll be Ju Peter. Emperor Nero faced a betrayal by Saint Peter and just like celestial dragons crucified him as a form of execution.
We had a couple of moments where the Gorosei implied they weren't around since the void century: they're only familiar with Emeth from 200 years ago, and their conversation during Luffy's gear 5th.
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I theorize that the Gorosei are likely some relatively close descendants of the 20 kingdoms.
That is, maybe Imu waited a century to have five elders at all. So he waited 100 or so years to recruit the great or great great grandsons of other 5 kings to be his five elders, such that the time entails no attachment with his void century comrades. (Or he waited multiple centuries to select the Gorosei)
For me it is pretty obvious that they are very far from the void century. Nusjuro talked about how the WG failed to find the Gum Gum for 800 years as though they werent the ones looking for it. (That is, they werent.)
You can see saturns soul running away in that chapter
Ngl I just know that Saturn is at least 250-300(flashback was 200 years ago but he looks same)
@@MihajloNasticatleast 300 since he was already old as hell 200 years ago. Btw we have to notice that he was one of the Gorosei who accepted Fishman Island in the Reverie, i wonder what they planned
It's insane how nearly EVERY one of your theories make perfect sense..
No literally bro that’s why I love it his channel
Especially his Buggy and lafitte theory’s
@@Ypacc0 Fr.. I showed my parents who are caught up to the anime the Lafitte theory & it blew their minds
It's because you're not using your brain. Once you start, you'll see it's all bs from reddit nobody cares about
@@Ypacc0And the Mihawk one
I’d say it works very well with Par’s “Mihawk is a Sword” theory, but then again, I’m simply just an agenda rat pushing ratty agendas🤷🏾♂️
Garling joining Gorosei signifies that we are heading towards the end of the story. It's in his design.. while looking at him in the eye straight onward, he look's like a star. Just like how the Gorosei are referred to the Five Elder Stars or Planets, so his apperance can be decieving. Initially looking like a star, but turning him and seeing his side profile, his appearance is a crested Moon. We know the importance of the moon within One Piece. The Moon signifies the dawn will come eventually. The light refracted to us signifies the Sun will come again. I think the Gorosei's ranks being infiltrated by a man with Moon symbolism seem's like an omen of how the Gorosei's status is breaking down, and the dawn is closest to the highest ranks of the World Government than ever.
Good points bro, the way I also like to look at it is that his hair from the front also looks like the world government logo, kinda like how lucci had the WG scar on his back. Oda’s way of showing that these guys are obedient servants/enforcers of the WG agenda
@@TheHiddenIsland- Nusjuro sword could have also been passed down after someone else got imu'ed like saturn
@@TheHiddenIsland- the d clan are the enemies of the gods because they are only ones that want freedom and do not want to be slaves even 5 elders are slaves on emu being killed off if they fail his orders
i’m sorry when has the moon been associated with the good guys in OP? can’t think of a single instance actually.
@@tristan6773 Recently, the Minks get Sulong forms from the full moon, but the comment was saying that the moon precedes the good guys, rather represent them.
i.e. Pedro naming his crew the Nox Pirates to herald "the dawn of the world", and Toki prophesies that Orochi is "the moon unaware of the dawn".
"Soon there won't be any guesing left to do" hits hard *crying emoji*
30~ minute mark. The Gorosei are from the first 20 kings. Strong disagree.
The Gorosei didn't recognise Emeth, one of Joyboy's nakama. If they were involved in the Void Century, you'd assume they'd know Joyboy's crew.
The Gorosei (Ju Peter, I believe) said during Gear 5 awakening that the Nika fruit had become a legend even to them. Why would it be a legend if they'd been around while the OG Nika fruit user led the ancient kingdom?
It seems far more likely (imo) that the God's Knights and potentially other groups make up the inner circle of WG power who know about Imu/understand there's something above the Gorosei. Imu selects the best from those groups to replace the Gorosei when they fail him. Next man up kinda thing.
Fair enough, that's also viable! I didn't consider that as much as I should have during that part of the theory
Imu could have erased a part of their memory. Like sugars ability he should have something like that
@@coachingconfidant2785 I get that for the world in general (although the world still knows Nerona Imu as someone from the 20 kings, so that’s still a bit weird) but it would be a pretty glaring oversight from Imu and Oda if Imu had purposefully made his best subordinates ignorant of some pretty low level stuff (who Emeth is, for example) while making them privy to some key information (that the Nika fruit exists and has been renamed the gum-gum fruit)
Wouldn’t make much sense imo.
Would the god’s knights not be in the inner circle since they only serve as replacements or bodyguards for the gorosei
@@coachingconfidant2785 Nope, makes sense he wants to replace him after some time to stop them getting to strong alone.
Man, I’m so happy.
Just watched this weeks episode of One Piece.
Now Hidden drops this.
And I don’t have work tomorrow.
Hey, so I clicked on this video and immediately got sent an image of a golden snail and a middle finger emoji from an unknown number. Am I cooked?
run
@@TheHiddenIsland-look at the Saturn dies chapter, you see his soul running away
As cooked as Sanji made food
NOT UNTIL YOU TELL ME YOU WANT TO LIVE
wallahi you're finished
While I agree with a majority of this theory, I do think that there is more evidence pointing to at least some of the Gorosei having been replaced after the Void Century than to the contrary. Saturn not knowing what Emet(h) was 200 years ago and keeping him around leads me to believe that he was not around during the Void Century, at the very least. Saturn will throw away years of scientific research in order to achieve Imu's goals (as seen in Egghead) so if he knew what Emet was, I don't believe he would have kept him around. Another possibility as to why the Gorosei have scars is because they were chosen like Garling was: They were former heads of the God's Knights.
As always awesome theory!
I 2nd this. There’s no way Saturn was present during the Void Century & wanted to “study” Emeth. I would sooner wager he was the newest Gorosei (still hundreds of years ago), now that “position” has passed to a new body.
I think the complete opposite, the ancient kingdom was the one Technologically advanced and Saturn knows this, but their technology was lost throughout the war/flood. Emeth was the opportunity to try and get closer to the mother flame which is what Imu really needs to end the war once and for all. Remember Imu got pissed off because Saturn let them go, not because he kept the robot.
@@ElNavegador- Hmm, maybe… after going over the chapter again, I’ve come to realize that the way I interpreted Saturn’s dialogue could be taken differently, as it’s more ambiguous than I thought. Saturn told a marine to salvage the giant against standing orders to destroy it, BUT those orders could’ve come from a superior in the Navy and Imu could’ve been aware of Saturn’s decision (which seems likely). After Imu asks Saturn why he let JoyBoy escape, Saturn said, “I did not know those powers were so nebulous.” I took it to mean he didn’t know Joy Boy’s haki could be so strong, BUT he could’ve been referring to Imu’s powers, which were cooking him at that moment. So my reasons for supporting the orig. post might not hold up.
Shanks: Death (he 1shots people)
Big Mom: Famine (she always hungry)
Kaido: War (this one speaks for itself)
Whitebeard: Conquest (He was the man closest to one piece and controlled the most territory)
Blackbeard replaces Whitebeard as Conquest which fits since he wants to take over the world.
Luffy replacing kaido as war kinda fits too since he will start the final war and loves to fight
Buggy dont fit i cannot even lie but thats kinda the point of him being a yonko
The 7 deadly warlords
Mihawk: Pride (bro refuses to even fight shanks after he lost his arm and uses 0 named attacks, also baratie incident)
Hancock: Lust (she horny for luffy and uses the love fruit which works on people who lust for her)
Moria: Sloth (bro uses shadow puppets to fight and barely moves)
Doflamingo: Envy (his driving motivation is that he is mad he didnt get to be a celestial dragon)
Crocodile: Greed (he wants the ancient weapon and to rule alabasta)
Kuma: Wrath (he was initially introduced as a tyrant so i think this fits)
Jinbe: Gluttony (i dont really got a good one for this but hes kinda round lol)
Yeah Jinbei really messes up the seven deadly sins bit
@@braindavidgilbert3147 yeah fr
Buggy will be Death because he will take Shank's place with the death of Shanks, and then someone else can be another Yonko. (:
Blackbeard could be gluttony,
Blackbeard used to be warlord, he could be Gluttony instead of Jimbei
The modified intro with Imu jumpscares was awesome
There are no jump scares in Ba Sing Se
there's one more wrench in this theory: during the chapter where we learn about the gomu gomu no mi being a mythical zoan, we see Ju Peter asking the other gorosei about why the government hid the name of the fruit, implying that he's joined the gorosei more recently, despite his scar... evidenced also by his younger appearance compared to the rest
you’re too good at this man. thanks for your efforts with this great content.
Always a treat to see a new video release from you. I love following along with your logic, and video essays like this really help appreciate the source material all that much more.
Your videos are so good man, def my favorite theory channel
i am just speechless. You left no room for me to put a word in. What a Spotless Theory I am very very thrilled and looking forward to see it all come true at some point. Fantastic Job
Lets goooo, Hidden is back
What I like the most out of this theory is this kinda changes the perspective of the government. For so long we thought the ancient kingdom wielded the most power and used it irresponsibly, but here we see the 20 kings attempt to wield power far outside their own control and are arguably more irresponsible than the ancient kingdom (depending on how the sea levels were raised). My my, how the tables have turned!
And I can’t wait for Elbaf because I think it’ll be a Skypiea parallel. Making Egghead and subsequently Elbaf afterwards an exploration into and discussion of the battle between science & religion. Logic vs. Faith, or Heart over reason, one of the main core principles of the show.
Meaning that the government or 20 kings will likely be painted as sympathetic in the ancient war. They only wanted that power over reasons of heart, for their ideas of the honest betterment of the world. But once they let the devil, knowledge (reason,) take over, knowledge has its own ideas of right and wrong, what’s good and bad. What’s justice and what’s freedom, and who’s painted good versus who’s painted evil. Freedom/Faith becomes chaos, and control/reason becomes safety.
The 20 kings, ironically in their quest for knowledge just like Ohara’s scholars, learned too much.
At the end of the day, the 20 kings were weak men who after exhausting their options, took a deal with satan to retain their power, and are therefore slaves to a force of evil even more powerful than it.
i like this theory a lot except for the speculation that the gorosei were some of the Kings that fought the ancient kingdom, Even the gorosei had only heard tales of joyboy rather then seeing him in action and speak of him as if he was a legend they never encountered, and i doubt that would be the case if he fought them
yea chapter 1044 is the biggest obstacle for that part of the theory, i should have considered it more. I think there's still room for them to have been around but not fully understand what joyboy's power was, which is why the fruit has been able to elude them for so long. if they understood how devil fruits work, they wouldn't have vegapunk researching them - which leads me to believe joyboy's power is just as mysterious to them as their powers are mysterious to us
I think it's just fact. Goroei are also celestials. All celestial Dragons are the loyal members from kingdongs that found WG.
@@beasthundred4709 yes but i doubt and of them were the the kings themselves
They probably never got even close to see him, remember this is a country as advanced as the modern day USA and more, while they are revolutionary war era countries at best. Haki may be a equalizer for them to not immediately perish at the sight of the tanks but overall they are not fighting the top leaders of the great country.
@@taxuenowoz4038 if they fought him they wouldnt talk abt him tht way and would have seen him in person at least once.
honestly im never into theories but your style of storytelling and editing is very unique and enjoyable❤
Mentioning the allusion to IC XC NIKA is everything I love about this channel. Profound. As a Christian, I saw the name “NIKA” and knew immediately of the parallel. In the Bible, Jesus also talks about how the sinless will be made white as snow. Is it any coincidence that Luffy is most “free” when he is in that form? Free of limits and “sin” in other words, a perfect child of God?
On top of that, take a look at the One Piece world map. It looks like that cross. The lines of the cross being the red line and grand line. Luffy is from the East Blue which is in the upper right corner on the world map, exactly where the cross would spell out "Christ"
Check out Revelations 1:14-15's description of Jesus Christ physically:
[14] His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; [15] And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
@@benl.4577 I'm glad you brought this up, I was just thinking about this verse in reference to gear 5 last week. So cool.
@@benl.4577Absolutely! To add to that, when he ascended up the Mount of Transfiguration: Matthew 17:2 “And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.”
@@Nerex7علم حكومة العالم يشبه الصليب 🤔
Always a good day when you upload my g since the OG DAYS of mihawk theory I’ve been watching
Words fail to describe how amazing how are, man. The way you reel me in with these theories is unreal
I was thinking I would watch half the video now and see the rest on lunch tomorrow and here I am with eyes glued until the end. Good work dude!
Get help lol, it's a TH-cam vid
so this is what glazing is..
I have been saying for months that Nika is clearly a reference to the Greek verb νικάω (nikao) which we see rendered as Νικα (Nika) which means "he conquers." Glad somebody finally picked this up.
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How do you rationalize the the gorosei in 1044 mentioning that the awakening of the Nila fruit was “a legend even to us” which basically states no gorosei was present in the void century war, otherwise they would remember Joy Boy.
yea someone pointed this out to me on twitter just recently, it's a good point that i didn't pay enough attention to admittedly. the only way i can rationalize it is that the origin of the fruit was even before their time, and after joyboy died they didn't know what happened to it. after all they said it's been "eluding them" for centuries. after a long enough time with no sign of it, it maybe passed into legend
I think this chapter has hints as to who was there in the void century, Jupiter refers to "the world gov" as if he wasn't part of it, so he might have been a newer member (he also reacts differently about Garling becoming an elder probably because the previous elder to Jupiter got killed too), Warcury is the one that makes the comment about the DF not awakening for 800 years. Saturn and Mars were alive at least 200years ago since mars also recognises Emeth.
I'm not huge into one piece but I regularly watch your videos to get better ideas for the editing and pacing of my own content (completely unrelated to one piece or manga) because everything is just so professional and clean. Always been blown away by your openings but your ability to keep a solid pace despite dropping massive amounts of information, and doing so in digestible ways, is head and shoulders above the vast majority of your tube content creators. Keep up the great work man!!
6:33 the glizzy fruit 💀
awakening = glizzy overdrive?
@@angryspeedman LMFAO
Heard that and raced to the comments like "hold on young man, not so fast. You're not getting away without a bonk."
The glizzy glizzy no mi model gargantuan gobbler
glad someone notice this 😂
Always appreciate your videos, cozy vibes and interesting theories.
I saw someone say this joke and unfortunately I cannot remember where, but I went along the lines of “Figarland Garlings demon form is……Mac Tonight.”
I don't get it
@@moe583 Mac Tonight is a Moon with a face that was used for old McDonalds commericals
Probably misremembering but wasn't there also a thing of his image being used for far-right material? Would be a pretty meta joke fitting for figarland lol
@@moe583 moon man
Nah, it's gonna be the moon from Majora's Mask.
Sobriety was fun, but my favorite bar just opened back up.
Welcome back, Hidden!
I believe Blackbeard either can or will one day be able to swim, because the real Blackbeard had a legend where after he was beheaded and thrown overboard, he swam around his ship three times before finally sinking.
No he was beheaded and then walked by his crew to safe them
@@bastiaouad12 I"m sure there are several stories about Blackbeard but the swimming one is the one I'm the most familiar with.
@@echidnaburger02 It's the most bullshit one because blackbeard was actually real he got shot and hanged after to make sure he was dead
One thought that makes sense is that Ju Peter was clearly worried with Jay Garcia's replacement because he fears that he'll be replaced too. After all, he's the Godhead of Agriculture and the Holy Land is crumbling to pieces due to the starving situation.
Fact:
Garling is often associated with the moon because of his hair but in reality it's all a matter of perspective because if we look at Garling from the side his hair looks like a half moon while if we look at him from the front his hair looks like a four-pointed star
both are associated with the world govt/ imu… plus the cover stories with enel showed that the moon itself has beings and they had lost some kind of war.
this much effort in a smaller youtube channel is always refreshing. amazing stuff man!
youre definitely the best one piece theorist on youtube right now, always got engaging and good videos that dont waste my time.
You can’t get better than The Hidden Island, so grateful I found this channel and joined the crew before the series wrapped up. Cheers captain
Regarding the Gorosei being the original kings, when Nika awakened didnt the Gorosei say that there were "previous" members of Gorosei that went after the fruit and couldnt get it? My memory is fuzzy.
I still spread around your 'Kingdom of One Peace" theory a lot. It's unbelievably good I think, so I can't wait to hear this one!
I don't think that the gorosei are original kings, at least not all of them. Saturn didn't know what Emet was when he discovered it 200 years ago, and was clearly quite amazed by the level of technology that Emet was made up of. This likely means Saturn wasn't fully aware of the technology that the ancient kingdom had and therefore was likely born after the void century.
This is by the far the best one piece theory page on youtube.
Seriously needs more visibility.
Love that whole segment comparing the gorosei to their real life design inspirations lmaooo. Glad to see the king return 🔥
The introduction was 🔥🔥
I don't usually watch theory videos about One Piece but I watched this one on a whim and the quality is out standing. Every point was clear and it all made sense
There is still that theory Ju Peter is a secret traitor
It would make sense. When Garling introduced himself as One of the gorosei, Ju Peter was sweating profusely.
Maybe he's afraid of Garling, who might discover who he really is
@@gravito1573 Love how in the ending panel Ju Peter was sitting right at the opposite of Garling
Yoooo, this theory is insane! I love the callback to brook's timeskip arc, it always felt strangely out of place for me, but I could never put my finger on why until now.
Small gripes, I just feel like its too soon to refer to imu as 'him' and I really don't want this theory to age poorly!
'They' and 'them' just feel so much more appropriate at this point in the story, we don't know anything about their characteristics after all.
Welcome back Hidden, great vid. Hope everything is going well with you and the pup
thank you 🙏🏻glad to be back bro things are getting better!
The only thing i don't agree with is that the elders are from the void century. When saturn was killed, while asking for mercy to imu-sama, sounded surprised with joyboy's power, as if he had never experienced it directly. Also, he let the scientists fron 200 years ago study Emeth, as if he didn't knew he was not just a robot but actualy a scentient being and joyboy's friend. They are old, sure, but probably not original kings
Gorosei's are Evil Dicktators!
very few videos change my perception of one piece world and this one did it, for me that is the peak of one piece content!
love you a lot & let these banger videos coming more often
Maybe I missed it but I thought you were gonna add that devil fruits likely only reincarnate through apples, as the apple imagery is plentiful throughout the manga. We've seen the axolotl fruit reform thru an apple and coincidentally Vegapunk 's antenna is an apple as well. These are part of an even bigger Eve tree/Imu theory I've been working on a while
It’s any fruit
Kaku’s fruit was a banana
It seems that everyone have forgotten about the fact that prior the timeskip as Kuma separated the crew, Brook ended up with the “satanist” trying to summon the devil. I always thought that whatever circle they used back then , resembled those of the Gorosei when they got to egghead. You’re the first one finally mentioning it! Thank you !
most common theory is that Imu is the Devil himself and gave the Gorosei demon powers but let’s see what Goaten Goatland has cooked up for us 😼
Oooh, I never noticed the numbers in the Gorosei's summoning circles! This is why I love watching your videos. You help me pick up on all the details and follow the story on all layers.
The one piece is a one piece swimsuit that was owned by Nerona Imu the be one who couldn’t swim. In a world where they were shined for their demonic features, they found friendship with Joyboy. The live between them was strong till once from aside the waters, Joyboy laughed. The swimsuit to him looked quite funny, but to Imu this laugh was confirmation. That Joyboy only saw them as a joke. From that day on the solem distrust grew to hate. It slowly spread till it bore fruit, literally that once the starved got there hands on became servants to the strength. Servants of Imu.
The new edit on the intro is heat bro… u are truly one of a kind
12:37 Joyboy is quite literally based off the myth of Joyboy. They both have a drum that brings joy and liberation.
Wake up, Hidden dropped another banger. And let me say, the modified intro is awesome😊👌.
luffy is hanuman, the monkey god there is more than enough proof, he even uses the bajrang gun attack. hanuman's brother is agni, the fire god and hanuman's father is pavan, the wind god. luffy will eat the mother flame. hanuman also burns the kingdom of lanka, with his tail so luffy will burn fishman island, and maybe mary geoise. his df will combine with bonney's and they will combine and they will go back in time and meet the original joyoboy. the poneglyph where joyoboy apologizes is actually luffy saying sorry to the original joyboy. the original joyboy's name is something like dyras i am not sure. the books of ohara are in elbaph and vegapunk will join the revolutionary army. blackbeard's dark fruit is the king of hell. the ancient ship crashed and caused a great flood. imu is joyboy's elder brother and joyoboy has an eyepatch
great to see you back. i always enjoy listening to your long-form content the most.
13:21 Can I just mention that this Cross also looks like the One Piece world map? The lines of the cross being the red line and the grand line, dividing the four seas. Luffy comes from the East Blue which positioned on this cross would be "Christ" ... god damn this is a rabbit hole
Shout out to you, Hidden. Your videos are some of the best OP videos on the Internet, and provide some of the most compelling theories I've seen.
As a writer myself, I've found plenty of inspiration for my own works in your videos, and I wanted to thank you personally for that.
I think the reason most of the Gorosei are old is that it gives Imu more control. Imu picks them when they’re old, grants them immortality, and then they HAVE to be loyal else Imu take their powers away. Doesn’t work with Peter, but maybe he had an illness or something.
Those scars could explain it too. Me might’ve been dying to those
I think it is because you had more time to achieve more things. Figarland Garling is without a doubt the one with the strongest resume. It is like the upper management of companies. Moreover, I think IMU it's a child, so them being old makes more contrast
This is on of the best theories I've heard to date. You got me swayed
If Egghead was anything to go off of; an upload like this must mean Hidden got murked by the WG
This man just doesn’t miss, the quality of your videos is insane. Such a great watch
Welcome back g 🫡🫡
Man I didn't know how much a missed that classical music you always use. Hidden you came back with a BANGER!
The devil does also have a connection to celestial bodies, Lucifer Morningstar. Although that has a connection to the planet Venus. And with the dawn too. Man these videos really gets me thinking
first video i’ve seen of yours. loved the in depth detail to the theory. definitely earned my sub 🤘🏼
Goddamn. Every single time this man cooks, it is some serious gourmet shit. Every. Single. Time.
I really like your theories. They are always feeling accurate and that makes me excited everytime! Thank you soo much!
Also, a flood is basically a giant baptism of the entire world
this was a nice comprehensive yet entertaining video. you've earned my sub. keep up the good work. cant wait to see you hit 100k and beyond.
That intro though, goddaaaaaaamn 🤩
Gorgeous intro.
Gorgeous video too, love your work.
My favorite thing about being caught up on One Piece is watching these videos thanks bro
Welcome to the weekly ride brother, great time to catch up
I believe Garling also symbolizes the ajudicatior from the John Wick franchise. As he seems to be the only one. Besides "The Elder" or Imu, who has the right to judge the high table or Gorosei in this case.
Absolutely love videos from Hidden Island. They may not be as frequent as others but his content is always top tier!
Replacing Saturn is how Imu is going to fail. One of the Elders is definitely betraying them
Never commented on any youtube videos before but I just had to say how amazing you have explained the truth about all of the influences in this amazing story!
In vega punk messages he said the war is still going on so it makes sense that theres 5 warrior gods appointed by imu
Best theories I've heard
This video was extremely well made, the work and thought process that was poured into this video is insanely enjoyable. Thank you truly, keep up the amazing work, you def got a new subscriber and very excited to binge your videos God bless you!
Yay! My first live Hidden Island theory!
So much stuff to comment on in this, amazing work as always!
First of all, I do think the Gorosei we know have existed from practically the start of the World Government, but not from the beginning of the war, because they mentioned the Nika fruit being a myth even to them. They most certainly fought in the war, but I think they never faced Joyboy himself. Either that or the myth thing was hyperbole because it's been centuries.
As you said, the seven deadly sins and four horsemen theories don't really have much ground to stand on, but I do like them. Kinda interested in writing up a Four Horsemen one myself, some funny thoughts I had after you mentioned it.
The five demons aiding Lucifer thing is something I never thought of, and some of the ones in those five fit the things the Five Elders are connected to. Mammon is associated with greed, and there is a Warrior God of Finance, Moloch is often demonized as a god associated with child sacrifice and the suffering of parents and children, and he's a bull-headed god, resembling Saturn. Beelzebub is associated with locusts and thus famine, and there is a Warrior God of Agriculture. The remaining two are a bit more of a stretch, but there's some association with justice at least.
Every time i watch ur videos my perspective of watching one piece changes
Immaculate vibes everytime. Dope video my brother
You're cooking as always, only wrench in the 5 kings theory in my opinion, is that the gorosei don't seem to actually have first hand experience with the Human-Human Fruit Mythical Type: Model Nika. They talk of it as if they've only been told about the fruit, and didn't fight Joyboy first hand. This could also be Oda exposition dumping haphazardly, excellent theory otherwise completely watertight
Now THIS is the content I love! Like Parvision-level of depth in thoughtprocess. Bravo👏👏👏
I'd really like for Oda to play with the question, "What is the devil?" After all, the power of Nika is granted through a devil fruit, and we see in Skypiea that God is a title given to whoever wields power. Many cultures and philosophies view the devil in different ways. Some see him as the root of all evil, others see him as a bringer of truth to humanity and so on. One of the most famous symbols of the devil in pop culture is Baphomet, an androgynous deity that originally represented duality and harmony (and is probably linked to alchemy because of how similar it is to another symbol called rebis, which is very popular in Japanese media) but was twisted by the church because of the fear of paganism.
Pop culture is rere tardo. Its cringe. It goes to show people lack any sort of willingness to learn anything that can set them apart.
I think vega punk loosely explained that devil fruits are the manifestation of desires.
I love the theory and I also enjoyed a lot your music choice for the video. Good job. ^^
Seriously, when does Oda find the time to learn so much about history and myths...
What a sick intro! keep up the good work bro!!!
Fantastic video mate, you didn't just cook, you burned down the kitchen.
Damn this video went nuts congrats!!! how am I just now seeing it. Miss you bro keep up the great work
The Gorosei be like after this vid was dropped “Hidden Island? I’ve never heard of him. In fact he never even existed”
Love this theory, and your narration through it. Great job and thank you.
34:30 Honestly, Gandhi might not be the better guy on this one😭
I love that you brought up Brook’s time skip because I also used this portion as a theory of the Goroseii having actual demon powers and Imu being Satan making soul contracts with the Goroseii.