Deep Dive: 6.8mm Next Gen Weapon US Army
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- I think the world is ready for plastic cased ammunition. I think we can handle a 6.8mm rifle. I believe fire control systems will change the future of firearms more than anything else. The US army's 6.8mm Next Generation Squad Weapon bid has a lot at stake and a lot riding on it. I mean nothing too big, just the fate of the free world.
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The last time I was this early, the Army was still using 30-06
the m14?
@@Ryan_7389 no it was a main round used by the united state military throughout the early 20th century up to 1960 since it was replaced by the NATO 5.56x45mm round the 30-06 was full cartridge round meaning it have a much better stopping power than smaller rounds like the 6.8 mm rounds
oh thanks
@@novallasca4730 tocayo
Back when our marines and Army had to shoot human waves of Chinese soldiers they used 30-06 to kill them and it held 8 rounds at a time. How would you like to have to double tap 200 soldiers coming towards your foxhole? Yeah, so no more of this lie about the capability of 5.56 because it is a lie. 30-06 or 7.62*51 does the job with one.round.
"We have a serious plastic problem in the world!"
- makes plastic bullet casings -
It's cheaper than copper. And more save than lead.
@@Nnneemo Can I open up a ammo can 50 years from now and fire my cartridges? If so we give it a try who knows how long the war will last. Or the state of Infrastructure left. After that we probably will be back to Steel and Bows or "Eraser "Rail guns and Plasma Cannons.
@@Nnneemo how much is it?
@@bustanut5876 Half of average cost, in mass production.
@@bloodyspartan300 You ask stupid questions. Why we have plastic polution problems buddy?
Chris Cappy is the kind of guy that you want as a friend and also is good explaining things in a fun way
He is also the type of guy to send you a thank you card for attending his birthday party.
Exactly!
If Cappy was in my squad, I would give him the nickname of Cappy Bara.
Cappy is kind of guy you pick third or fourth to last as to avoid making him feel bad. 🤪🤪🤪
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Army suddenly cared about Armor when families had to mail armor to troops in the field despite warnings about quality.
This is about the Dragon Skin debacle? They were scammers who went crying to the media.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD They built a myth around their product that persists to this day. To my knowledge no civilian organization (police) at any level bought their stuff either.
@@frig1 And they were caught selling conventional armor plates to the Air Force before they had received NIJ certification. The media campaign to defend Pinnacle Armor was a redpilling moment on the nature of journalism.
That's the double edge sword of a psyops operation to gain public support, the public start to demand.
I knew Marines who had to get doors for Humvees and spare parts, even painted it themselves. They be pimping
NGSW cracks me up every time. Not Generally Safe for Work
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA i never thought about that!
@The Program that would cause the redditor soldiers who wear kevlar fedoras to blush every time they picked one up
Military intelligence... let’s make the battle rifle shorter!
Contestants... WE ARE LOUD AS HELL!
Military intelligence... let’s add a suppressor
It would have to be highly modular, for the event the individual can replace and switch parts on the fly.
Threaded barrel.
@@Joshua_N-A Ewww lol that's dinosaur-old plus the fine threads can get damaged running around/dropping and banging the gun around, and they get loose frequently even on pistols. Full-auto will probably work the can off by itself within the first mag lol.
Cam-lock, simple, cheaper, more reliable etc 😎👍
Contestants... WHAT ?!
@@JustAlanIsCool Barrels are already threaded lol. How do you think they put on the cam lok system on the barrel?
>right in the middle of the battle
>bullets and enemies everywhere
>look into your optic
>GOATSE
>damn Chicom hackers!
Growing up, shooting out to 1000 yards was a thing of legends. Now a days a $1000 rifle and $1000 scope will have just about anyone with a bit of training hitting targets at 1000 yards all day long.
I don’t mean this in a snarky way so please don’t take my comment as being intended to insult you in any way. But there’s a lot more to it than that. “A bit of training” isn’t enough. Understand what you’re rifle and ammunition are doing is the key, and that takes a lot of work. You can’t buy experience. But yes, I agree the quality of equipment now, (especially optics), is amazing compared to 20-30 plus years ago. And I also agree that it’s more affordable than ever.
@@juantoomany7202 true. The type of gun matters. The caliber matters. The ammunition matters. And potentially dozens of other things and how it all comes together. But years ago all of these things were viewed with an almost mystical reverence. Now a days the tools are not just better but so is the documentation, and therefore the available training. There was bit of hyperbole in my statement but a few decades ago a 1000 yards use to seem impossible. Today the knowledge and equipment to accomplish it are well with in the reach of most people.
@@juantoomany7202 tell that to the ruger precision. That gun makes fools out of trained shooters.
To add one can get a targeting system and the Ai lites up green, with a percentage value, squeeze the trigger and presto. Even air guns can reach out and hit 1000 yards
@@weldslikebutterfabrication483 try it
Brazilian Police Officer here. I like your videos. Keep the good work, Cap.
you guys still use madsen machine guns?
@@jeppepedersen7006 No... LOL
Much respect to you sir. The shit y’all have to deal with on a day to day basis (especially in Rio de Janiero) is wild. Keep up the good work and keep fighting the good fight! - much love from one of your brothers in the US Army National Guard!
@@S-A-M. all officers in Brazil are off duty.
I’m willing to bet SIG takes the win. Knowing the Army, they like symmetry and having a full SIG lineup would please the brass. It also looks the best and will be easily trained on by soldiers due to familiarity. I also hope Vortex takes the optics win.
Same
Policy is to spread the Money around as many Congressional Districts as possible. So SIG has a strike against it right there. 435 Screaming Congresscretins cannot be wrong! They passed a law on that. Geoff Who is cynical and pessimistic..on my good days.
sig looks great, but I hope they keep the acog
@@Ryan_7389 why stay with the acog? all of the new fire control optics have etched reticles, so they’re still usable without electricity
@@geofftimm2291 That has never been a policy in small arms procurement. Congress doesn't care since there is no money in it compared to naval and aerospace systems, computers, and any number of larger contracts.
Epic, got home from school. Now it’s time to watch a video about my southern neighbours’ military.
Whatever the states do will be copied by our allies..
@@comfortablynumb9342 If it turns out to be a good idea then there’s no problem with that
@@firstnameperson3184 everyone wants interchangeable ammo. Whatever the states do will be followed by allies. I hope it's not a mistake. It's pretty clear that 5.56 won't cut it for longer ranges or body armor. I hope they don't give up mobility and have problems with close combat because of the longer reach..
Cheers from NC. I've always liked our northern neighbors. And southern too.
@@comfortablynumb9342 that is a good point, if one of the largest NATO members changes then everyone else will, most likely.
Stay out of trouble, cheers from AB.
@John Doe NATO ended up with a mix of 5.56 and 7.62 guns that can share ammo with our rifles. Now if we switch they will probably also switch so we can fight next to each other. They might develop their own platforms for the new ammo or adapt something, but they'll end up with the new ammo too. It will be interesting to see how they do it. .
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This a good video though for real
it worked
The telescoping ammo reminds me a little of the H&K G11 caseless ammo; except, each round is probably 4 times larger.
That was a fantastic gun, and they solved all issues except for finding a way to remove heat from the chamber. But it failed because of reunification.
@@MrGoatflakes The ammo was still sensitive to moisture, though they had improved it greatly by 1990, and was easily damaged by impacts compared to brass cased cartridges. It also had a peculiar vulnerability: if a stockpile of it was hit by an incendiary projectile, the entire ammo pile would detonate like a high explosive.
I really love this video format, it's like a podcast or talking with a friend passionate about a topic, keep the good work up!!
Same
A few years ago Ian from Forgotten Weapons was asked in a q&a of his whats the next thing with firearms, he said optics and also spoke about the new ammunition. He obviously was privy to the r&d going on.
You might have a point that the 556 will probably be replaced in the next 5 years that being said the M16 and the m4 series of rifles will serve with the United States for at least another the 20 30 years simply say non Frontline troops will not have a version of the latest weapon but an old M16 rifle
Just like in the switch to the m-16 the national guard was still using m-14s and in some cases garands
Yeah I have a friend in the reserves and he said that his A2 had no rifling left in the barrel. Old equipment ain’t going nowhere
@@mr.nemesis6442 just a good thing to train on, not for a combat role. In India they trained their soldires on the ww2 surplus bolt actions when their military had more advanced weaponry. Once they were safe and could drill, they would start with the m16 I think. It's cheaper that way
Those old 16 inch m16's are one of the best rifles available, the lethality is far better with a longer barrel.
Marines will still be using M4s when the Army is calling laser airstrikes from orbit lol
Imagine just aiming at the enemies and they hack into your optic next thing you know you get Rick rolled (they start playing “Never gonna give you up”)
Challenge accepted xD
Not yet
It'll be pr0n, garunteed.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot "What are you doing step-soldier?"
@@Matt_The_Hugenot DOOM.
when he said we have reached a pinnacle in weapons development I beg to differ we don't have bolters from Warhammer
We don't even have *lasguns* yet
@@AbyssWatcher745 As soon as my comment went up snapped my fingers and said to myself,"Goddammit not even lasguns"
Even if we made the Bolter, I doubt we have the physique to handle it, gotta be a superhuman spacemarine :)
On the bright side..flamethrowers are here
Love the new format
Really loving the new format and platform Cap, its honestly a bit more professional and I feel like it's more dense with information. Hope this channel continues to grow rapidly!
Infantryman not being issued optics to everyone before 2K,British grunts hold my beer since 1984
Here we go again... it was the USA that forced NATO partners to 5.56. Now we move back up towards 7.62
@@nikcroudace7300 I bet some high ranking officer in Norway is throwing his hat in anger about now. We are still not fully transitioned to 5.56, the goal was to be done by the end of 2021.
@@nikcroudace7300 to be fair, 5.56 or some version of an intermediate cartridge was the right idea. It should have been done instead of 7.62 NATO in the 50's
Lol I thought the same thing, I wondered what that thing was on top of my rifle in 1985
@@reubendobbs8011 imagine the guys shock when he ends up realising the l1a1 had an optical sight as well.
I really like the Sig and while I know bullpups are divisive, I like the General Dynamics design a lot. Textron seems a little bulky. Obviously the hands-on, reliability, and lethality are the most important factors, but if I had to choose one, my guess would be the Sig because it's the most familiar design. I just can't imagine the Army adopting a bullpup, and I worry too much about the Textron's plastic ammo.
As a non American the whole "controversy" over bullpups makes about as much sense to me as "controversy" over the metric system... Why torture yourself?
However I did find bullpups a little more dangerous in a fox hole, as you shoot things at the edges of your arc, the end of the barrel is just that much closer to your buddy. Still got hearing damage, much of it from just physically be that much closer to the business end, and I could tell at the time it was doing damage.
Put a supressor on the bullpup. Now it's the length of a standard configuration rifle.
@@kerbalairforce8802 It's got the shortest suppressor of all three entries in the contest, and all three have suppressors.
used to watch your vids for the content and wasnt super into the style, now i like both. this is a good change. keep em up
Very nice and In-depth video Chris. I like the slower format where you take your time and explain things. It really highlights how much knowledge you have. Cheers
Yes! Iv been waiting for a new ngsw video.
love the frequent uploads
It's a nice change of format having a sit down and going in depth about something
I have to admit you have some really good points. The military has changed massively since I served in the 80s - 90's. We had iron sights, pvs 5's, M-60's (The Pig and Tank), BDU's and the only folks with body armor were the Rangers. If the enemy (present and future) now have body armor that defeats the 556, it's time to change it up. Just keep it simple, we tend to overcomplicate shit and then we find out it doesn't work, F-35, Zumwalt, and the US Army UCP.
@Fondil Mahbols The word that the USAF is now looking for a new replacement should tell you something. Also it has a smaller gun, less ammo for it, smaller payload and less range than the planes it suppose to replace is a problem. The down time per flight hours is also very high. Trust me I wish it worked, but it doesn't.
@Brandon _37 I read different, about it's downtime compared to the F-15 and F-16. But the fuel capacity I believe is still less than most jets, and since it's stealth it can't use external fuel tanks. I guess it can use tanker support. Who knows, the machine is only as good as the pilots and the USAF are some of the best. So they'll make it work.
Im really really wondering how they're gonna keep the barrels from frying after 5000 rounds. Pushing a 6.8 at almost 3000fps is gonna rip up that barrel.
While they are at it....maybe they can fix the same problem with the naval rail gun.
Not necessarily, chamber pressures are only around 60k PSI in the GD gun, versus 90k in the Sig. Sig made their round much hotter to achieve over 3000psi out of a 13 inch barrel.
The new coatings and metals being used in barrels are allowing these guns to shoot multiple thousands of rounds without major bore erosion. They are also using proprietary powders. Sig knows what they are doing.
IDK if this sounds cringy but I might prefer the ammo casing that is biodegradable because, you know, reasons.
I doubt the plastic rounds will use that kind of plastic. The brass & steel rounds will eventually biodegrade but not in any reasonable time period either.
@@corvanphoenix neither does a rock but like the brass and steel thats not an issue, plastic however....
Not really sound cringy for me and its helpful so that it can recycle a new ammo because if not they will spend producing more ammunition and cause limitation problems thats why US military doesn't use full auto (yes full auto is not really effective but it can when it comes to suppressive fire or cqb)
By far the best video on this topic that I've seen. Great work.
Cappy, I enjoy this format as much as your prime channel on YT. I really appreciate the time, effort and research needed to create this content. BZ!
I really hope textron takes the win because I really like the light ammo capability, less recoil, lighter weapon systems, how easy it is to dispose the plastic casing, less weapon maintenance, and it's just as similar to our current m4s! Also would like vortex to be attached to these future weapon systems
Very complex though.
@@samuelbishop3316 It's not actually more complex than a conventional rifle, it is just that all the parts are larger and more distributed in the frame of the gun. On a conventional design, say an AR-10, the operational parts are almost all contained neatly and compactly on the bolt carrier group. There's some drawbacks to that though: small parts break more easily (broken bolt lugs, broken extractor claw, broken ejector spring, broken cam pin bridges on the bolt, etc. are relatively common). The Textron weapon takes all those functional mechanical bits and makes larger and stronger equivalents, so you have a large cam rail instead of a small cam pin, a solid rising chamber rather than a rotating bolt, and a beefy extractor/ejector unit in the place of two small separate pieces that have small fiddly springs.
I really like the general dynamic pitch. For what the army sees as it’s future, it seems like the best option
Doin a fine job Cappy, you'll get your stripes sooner than expected if you keep up this excellent supply of top notch and relevant content for us out here.
High Speed Low Drag fella you are Son.
👍😁
Great video, it feels a lot more refined and again just has the really cool podcast feel
New format is great.
Cappys face in the thumbnail is the face I will make when all the ngsw guns hit the civilian market like with the MHS attempts.
Best precis I've seen yet. Thank you, Chris.
Keep up the wonderful videos man, we love them!!
Love it when you cover this contest. I insta click on the video once I see you posting anything about this.
“The Army smart enough to testing to make a good decision”
You don’t remember ACU’s?
ACUs are a an improvement over BDUs it's the Universal Cammo Pattern that sucked.
I thought my ACU's were great
UCP pattern on the other hand...
I'm loving this new Chanel, keep up the great work
Great video man love the format
What's the environmental impact of having plastic cartridges all over the place? I see shotgun shells when I'm hunting and hiking that have been there for decades
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad I'll agree with that. No one likes policing brass. Does the white polymer round also have a steel component? Is the polymer biodegradable?
@@michaelfrench3396 It has a steel base. As for the polymer, I'm betting any attempts by the military tor recycle it will be half assed.
Will it be worse than brass is my main question.
The US military has used banned white phosphorus and you thing they will give a shit about plastic cartridges?
@@hannibalwantsahuggrande3433WP is only banned for use against civilians. It's perfectly legal for other uses.
Think I like the GD offering best. Not a huge fan of bullpups, but it seems to generate the Army’s required chamber pressure without quite so-vicious a recoil as its competitors appear to have.
I would like it more if it’s suppressor didn’t look stupid. I think bullpups can be a good idea but I think it should be like the tavor so left handed soldiers can use it without sacrificing reliability
I love bullpups from my lounge chair, so it has my vote too.
@@Koyomix86 its not about the looks, at all.
@@madkabal The first bit of my comment is about how i don’t like how it looks so personally I am not a fan, but the second part is about why I think it would be a good choice but they need to make it so you can switch between right and left.
@@corvanphoenix Best place to love them from... usually, but trying to get 3000fps from of an 11-14” barrel is kinda silly.
Dude I just found out about this channel and looked at the video titles. All around 22min. Very nice 👍
Want to say that I love this format, mate. You're personable and interesting. I think you'd do a really interesting interview style as well - could you interview people from the miliatry, the manufacturers, the government etc.? I think you could do a great job.
“The army realizes that the next conflict they’ll get in, they’ll be going up against body armor” I wonder what conflict they army’s wanting to prepare for 🤔
Russia/China
Xenomorphs
Civilians
Trump voters.
@@LoftOfTheUniverse why did it take 4 days for someone to say this? Who else has body armor, than American citizens?
Love you Cappy but I don’t think that study said that plastic case reduces heat in the chamber AND BORE. Just the chamber...I don’t care what case it is 24.5 grains of powder produces a certain amount of heat and it doesn’t just magically disappear, that heat gets transferred somewhere and if not the chamber then the bore and the barrel
Most of the heat that isn't transferred to the chamber just goes out the muzzle, a good amount of it converts to a smidge of extra velocity on the projectile, and certainly some of it gets absorbed by the barrel.
Ex-average Canadian infantry solider here, uh we had optics standard issue on all our service rifles when I was in the army back in the late 90's/early 2000's. The C79 optical sight was phased in during the 1990's along with the C7 rifle so while the US might not have had optics, Canada sure did! Standard issue on the C7 and helped a lot with night shooting and provided a bit of magnification. It wasn't night vision optics but the light amplification it provided definitely helped get accurate rounds down range in the dark.
Big improvement over first video excellant work on a good summary of where we are and why
The Textron one has always seemed like the best option in terms of future proofing the rifle.
I vote for General Dynamics
Great video cappy! Very high speed low drag of you.
Great video and fascinating analysis. Thanks!
First never clicked faster in my life
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad which one do you think we should take general dynamics or textron
@@dantelove4606 Neither, SIG.
@@dantelove4606 I like textron
This might make some eyes roll, but has anyone considered the issue of plastic casings being ejected into whatever environment they are used in? This will be a common ammunition type to be used for decades to come, around the world.
“These cases will pollute nations around the world, but not anywhere we care about.” -Warren Monger, the lead general on the NGWS program.
I guess you'd first have to demonstrate that the plastic is worse than brass. Brass will eventually corrode but its also more toxic thanks to its copper content. I'd be interested in hearing a study on the two!
no fuck the planet.
@@corvanphoenix Yeah, that's interesting, but I'm afraid a Pentagon-led study would cost millions for no reason.
@@MrDK0010 I'm not so cynical.
Avaerage. You are a hero brother… any real man whom joins the military and never served as an Infantry soldier is nothing more than just a support guy… great show keep up the great work.
6mm 85gr-100gr tungsten core copper solid bullet. In a 7.62 × 39 case.
Cold hammer forged cryo treated ceramic lined barrels. Pushing 3,800 to 4,000 FPS. There are ceramic ball barrings in cars and trucks.
I reckon you should go to the bull pup version same range more compact. More lethal furthermore if you lot don’t pick it up the British Army should look closely at the General Dynamics bid.
There's a reason why most countries that adopted bullpups 30 years ago are switching back to traditional rifles. There just isn't enough benefit and they always end up being more problematic, and less ergonomic. China just announced they're going to a non bullpup, New Zealand changed to LMT rifles, France went from the FAMAS to the 416. Close to zero SF units use bullpups, and almost exclusively use an AR platform or G36. There also also problems like not being ambidextrous. Bullpups were more than likely a fad, that will continue to die out. The most reasonable option is the Sig rifle, every time the US does weapons trials they are far too ambitious, and try to go way high and right. That was the case with SPIW, the ACR program, and OICW.
@@bower31 The FAMAS got axed because it's fundamentally unreliable compared to the HK416. Plus everybody is using the AR platform, so countries believe it's simpler to just stick to it. But there's no point in sticking to the AR platform if it is fundamentally inferior in certain ways. There's a reason why countries who've adopted the Steyr AUG and IWI Tavor have continued fielding them. Also keep in mind, bullpup has been more widely used within the past 50 years, compared to all the other conventional rifles out there.
The GD NGSW bullpup with the longer barrel fundamentally provides better ballistics, longer barrel life, and smaller chamber pressure compared to other contestants. Plus, they can even further increase the chamber pressure to achieve even better ballistics, whereas other contestants have already reached their pressure ceilings without increasing the barrel length
After watching these videos on the new 6.8mm rifle, I think ill pass for right now... The *recoil* on that gun looks pretty damn BIG. Shit, it looks a hell of a lot bigger than my 308 recoil !!
6.8 isn't that much lighter than 308 anyways, plus that 6.8 ammo is HOT!
Thats why they use the Suppressor hybrid.
@@JohnZ556 The Textron ammo is considerably lighter than 7.62mm NATO; only 25% heavier than 5.56mm.
@@ostiariusalpha I meant the projectile itself, since we were talking about recoil.
@@JohnZ556 True however it is Far more capable than the . 308. It's not even close. It has less drop at 1000 yards than a 6.5 Creedmoor and way more energy. I do wonder what if SIG used that Hybrid case and high pressure on a 77 grain 5.56 or a 6.5 Grendel. Could be something
Hey, this is a pretty good video! Thanks for making it!
Great content, Chris!
A recon unit conducting green side ops they carry no less than 360 rounds of 5.56nato... and a 240B with 1400 rounds of 7.62 belt fed.
So moving to a lighter more capable casing would be extremity amazing and helpful for mobility.
The SIG 6.8x51mm weighs 22 grams. The current 5.56 weighs 12 grams, and current 7.62 weighs 24 grams.
That 360 rounds of 5.56 goes from 16 pounds to over 30 pounds with 6.8.
The MG ammo stays about the same at 65 pounds for 1200 rds either way.
@@theimmortal4718 how about the textron CT rounds? It represents the greatest leap in innovation, but it's risky. There rifle is pretty bulky but I do like there mg.
@@SparkHelium
Yeah we will have to see when it comes to reliability in real field excercises
@@SparkHelium
Even then, it's 50% heavier than 5.56
@@theimmortal4718 Sig is the "safe" bet, but I don't think I it represents the leap in technology the army was looking for. Going with a larger caliber will naturally increase weight, but thats why the polymer and ct rounds will help solve. I wish Sig put development in to the polymer or CT rounds.
I just think that if the bids aren't big enough of an upgrade, then it's not worth it to upgrade from what we have currently.
Regardless of which design they choose, the new lighter ammunition won’t be worth a damn if your only going to be able to carry them in 20-round magazines.
If the whole point of making them lighter is so that you can carry more of them, why the hell are they only going to be issuing 20-round magazines!? Why not make & issue 30-round magazines like the ones that the M16/M4 use!?
Because the new rounds are larger despite being lighter. So a 30 round magazine for the new ammunition will be significantly larger than a 30 5.56 magazine. I would guess that they tested the 30 rounders and deemed them impractically cumbersome.
It's because the new ammo isn't lighter, either. The 30% claim is from the case alone being 30% lighter than it would be if it were conventionally produced. The bullet is still the heaviest component.
The 5.56 cartridge weighs 12 grams and a 30 Rd mag is 1 pound.
The 7.62 cartridge weighs 24 grams and a 20 round mag weighs a 1 1/2 pounds.
The SIG 6.8 weighs 22 grams, so the weight is the same as the 6.5 Creedmoor. No weight savings. In fact, they would double the ammo load for the squad, not lighten it.
These guns look like snake oil bullshit some of the lmgs look good but these standard rifles look big and bulky and a downgrade from the m4 and the ammunition should be for mounted machine guns not for everyone I doubt it’s lighter and going back to 20 rounds🤦♂️ this shit is gonna get people killed.
@@supermoon1430 I KNOW RIGHT!?
@@supermoon1430 yeah it's a repeat of what the army did with the M14 and 7.62 NATO back in the 50's
The bullpup makes the most sense given the velocity requirements. Even if Sig’s hybrid case can hit velocity through a 16 inch barrel, it’ll drop too low once every branch starts chopping down barrels. Combine high pressure/velocity ammo with a bullpup design and you can have the short OAL every branch moves towards and still have the proper terminal ballistics.
It has also the advantage that, since it uses normal operating pressure and the cartridge overall dimensions are the same of the 7.62 NATO / .308 Win, any 7.62 NATO weapon can be retrofitted to 6.8 TVCM simply changing the barrel.
Excellent review, my man. The competition will definitely come down to Sig and Textron. The Army ain't buying a bullpup. That's too far off the beaten path for them. The 6.8mm has been in use by SF for some time now. It's a great cartridge. Similar in size to the 7.62 x 39 but with better terminal ballistics. It'll probably be more expensive, but it will definitely be more effective than the 5.56mm. From a former Army soldier, I've been waiting on this for a while. I think a lot of us have. It's exciting, as you said earlier. Can't wait to see which one the Army goes with. More than likely it'll be Sig unless reliability issues come up.
Let the army try and put a bullpup in my hands, I’ll quit then and there
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad why the BP hate?
@@hubertborusinski1647 I'd guess it's because they aren't used to it, i'm Australian so i prefer them due to familiarity.
Bull pups need more development, but for fighting underground and air mob they have advantages. A product developed version of the downward ejecting Kel-tec comes to mind. Geoff Who considers Kel-tec an experimental company which unfortunately sells raw products.
@Fondil Mahbols Triggers in bullpups have become a non issue. The newest gens for the modern bullpups have fixed the issue. Ergonomics has been fixed as well. Modern bullpups can be reconfigured into right handed or left handed configurations with a simple field strip. The Tavor 7 is a good example of how far bullpups have advanced.
The Croatian army chose a bullpup instead of the M16 and G36 because it was better than both
I was in the military and this is what I learned. The only thing better than BEING a soldier, is being a FORMER soldier.
Sir! I will see you, then rise you! Never go to the US Army Reserves, go active first, especially for you, if you are prior military!
@@mylesid I don't know about that, I found plenty of people in boot camp wishing they'd gone guard or reserves rather than AD.
Great video!
Keep up the great work!
mmm yes rifle also im the new mod on the discord server
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad thx, btw im tk 20 the one that stabbed a bottle accidentally
The Textron bid is the most innovative of the bunch. I honestly love it. I just wish there was more info out there about it.
What did you want to know? There's a good deal of information on the PCTA round at The Firearm Blog, and there are even videos showing how both the Textron machine gun candidate and an earlier prototype of the current rifle function.
Sig is a better choice and more practical
Both the guns and the ammo are heavier with the SIG candidates, and that's not really what most people would consider a slam dunk of practicality. The SIG rifle is more like an AR, and its ammo is the most powerful out of the 3 options; while the Textron ammo is nearly as powerful, and everything is considerably lighter in weight. It's just a matter of which tradeoffs the brass think are most important.
The Textron has waaay too many moving pieces. In terms of adaptability to the individual shooter (which the Army is moving towards in a big way), the GM is probably the best all around choice.
@@seandlax9 i do agree with what u said about the textron but every soldier is gonna be inefficient with the gm bcuz its a whole different rifle to what they r used to (which is the m4) and their muscle memory is gonna mess them up and you can't use bullpups while prone to well either, I mean the chinese and the uk is switching out their bullpups for something ar like
Dig the new style and format of this channel vs the main T&P channel.
Keep em coming Chris
BULLPUP BOI!!!
Not first, love you Cappy!!
Cool beans. Looking forward to seeing how this program pans out.
Awesome video!
I think the competition would be waste if Sig win. This isn’t a full adoption, it’s about finding where to go next.
I am okay with bull pup design because I have used them before and think their underrated. Being compact with a long barrel gives you a certain best of both worlds when it comes to dynamic fighting environments.
Most people who hate have little to no experience with them.
TS is probably my favourite bid in that it is very experimental and promising, but I would be interested to see the US Army give a bull pup a proper go.
longer barrels are also not inherently good, especially if you can get the range and lethality out of a shorter barrel, that is due to barrel cost, barrel warping and barrel weight (amongst other issues) and if you make a bullpup with too short a barrel you end up with a far too rear heavy weapon. if the other bids are capable of the ranges the bullpup is just added costs, with little advantages [that said the bids are also ammunition, so in this specific case the bullpup might still win due to characteristics derived from its ammo].
also bullpup designs are not underrated as (prior to widespread use of FCS) they are pointless as traditionally configured carbines already have the accuracy and hitting power to real world engagement ranges. Bullpups were like pre-ww1 rifles, glorified shooting range weapons, paying a bunch of negatives for advantages that are not practically used in the field. that said since the army is issuing FCS to regular infantry a bullpup should be more closely considered.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Unless you are using a round meant for longer ranges. In which case a longer barrel is much more preferable.
You can't really use bullpups in the proned position tho, thats one of the many reasons China is replacing their QBZ-95 bullpup rifle with the QBZ-191, and most militaries don't use bullpups bcuz they aren't the best choice and the sig would be a better option bcuz its not completely different from the m4 and the soldiers wouldn't have to learn on a completely different rifle like a bullpup
@@matthiuskoenig3378 it is the exactly opposite. To achieve the same ballistics, shorter barrels require higher chamber pressure, which further wears out the barrel and requires more frequent barrel changes while also increasing recoil. Longer barrels require much less chamber pressure and hence has a longer barrel life. Might wanna tone down on the unreasonable bullpup hate
@@DLI002 That's a myth. You can prone with a bullpup as easily as a traditional rifle. Chinese military swapped because they wanted something more traditional, unrelated to the proning.
Let's say that the brass casing takes 20% heat out of the weaping when it leaves. The polymer takes only 5% with ist. That's 15% more heat for the barrel. With a barrel that hot after 5 mags you are not going to hit the ocean from a Dinghy. Ask the german soldiers in Afghanistan about that problem in the G36.
I'm not sure those numbers are accurate, and we don't really know alot about the truvelocity ammo
Plastic is an insulator not a conductor, it wouldn't transfer heat as easily as brass would so it should actually keep the heat down in the barrel rather than up.
Think about this again, please. Your argument ist 180° the wrong way.
@@brrrlak
I think all of these rounds are going to have serious throat erosion issues
@@brrrlak what?
Great content!
The British Armed Forces were issued L85A1 's with SUSAT (Sight Unit Small Arms Trilux) in the 90's
The British had optics on every L85 from the beginning but you have to consider that the British army is much smaller than the U.S. so they were able to give everyone optics. The SUSAT is also more primitive then something like the ACOG so it was cheaper to field.
British Army infantry adopted optics for every infantryman in the late 80s / early 90s.
they also adopted a terrible rifle so maybe that breaks even lol
@@phoenixjones7191 absolutely bang on, terrible rifle, but extremely accurate. Should have gave it to the Germans to make it work; oops, that’s what we eventually did.
be intresting to see what they replace the sa80 with if the us adopts 6.8
@@mauzki- having spent years in the army I have little doubt they will have the opportunity to have or buy something that is really good; then adopt it with some added modifications that will diminish its capability. I hope to be proven wrong, perhaps the EM3?
@@stephen7571 Yeah, I ponder if they may re-chamber the sharpshooter rifle, though hah it be fun t see them make something new, but after the issues with the A1 I can imagine they'll move to just buying something, as they have been doing so recently (eg the moves to the C8 in the royal marines)
I think the ideal deal is the Sig plus a plastic brass, like the GD has. As it is impossible, I think M4/.223 will continue. Greetings from Spain
Hacksmith Industries, "hold my beer, we're making blasters this episode" 🤣😁
Love the content!
Rooting for sig all the way, great video!
With the Vortex
I wonder how the steel-brass bimetallic cases are going to fare when exposed to moisture and humidity, in places like south east Asia, in terms of dissimilar metal corrosion when stockpiled long term.
Well, guns have been made of steel and alloy a long time.
The best NGSW is the MA5, a full auto bullpup , chambered in 7.62 fmj and has a built in ammo counter
Really well made and informational video
I dig the SIG!
“Is the army risk adverse, are they gonna take a chance on a system that might not be ready?” Well, can’t say for the Army, BUT as for the military, can you say F35!
Or the useless USN LCS.
@@TheDustysix except the F35 will actually be useful, unlike the steaming piles of shit that were the LCS from the get go
We're obviously forgetting about Future Combat Systems
1:18 Famous last words. Though yes, I can't imagine one either. 😂
Keep it up. Loving Sig’s bid.
In before SIg wins and has a recall. 😂🤣😂
If you told me 20 years ago every grunt was going to have a suppressor, I would have said, "yeah, I guess that makes sense, it's just a $4 tube with some baffles."
Now, if you told more mature and sophisticated me that *10* years ago, I would have been shocked, because surely whatever general's old college buddy that got the contract to manufacture them is selling them for $5,500/ea
edit: Plus a $1k/year proprietary maintenance fee, only to be conducted by the manufacturer
I love your humor. But I very much appreciate this more subdued video.