SIG NGSW 6.8mm Expert Interview
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ต.ค. 2021
- Full interview with Jason St. John the SIG expert on the MG68 Next Generation Squad Weapon. This future machine gun with replace the US Army's 5.56mm M249 Squad Automatic Weapon with a 6.8mm caliber system. It will be lighter weight with higher firepower.
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Information about the us military historic prototype new program to replace the M4. I did an interview with the subject matter expert. I hope you enjoy this educational video that sheds light on US army topics. - บันเทิง
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You’re definitely looking like it’s 5:00 am and you just woke up. Good interview. Really informative.
Digging the more discussion based stuff
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad They're more informative and sometimes it's better to hear from the proverbial horse's mouth as well.
Can you do a video about Knights Armament constant recoil machine guns?
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad Well it has essentially has no recoil when you're firing it automatically. Also, True Velocity has a video where they were demonstrating that their polymer cased ammo could be used with the Knights machine guns.
Surefire has the MGX rifle that almost eliminates recoil
@@albertoriviera8616Yes, it uses the same constant recoil concept.
@@yo646 nice
@@yo646 It still has recoil, it's just that it's supposed to feel like a constant push into the shoulder instead of a series of pulses, so it's easier to control.
Appreciate this very informative & important update on the new technology!
Great video Cappy. Looks like interesting times ahead and into the future.
I thought you forgot about this channel lol. I hope you do more of the explored series. i honestly think thats some of your best content. the conflict analysis is awesome and gives a different perspective on it.
When you just wake up and hit record 🤣
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad well keep it up dude. You have good content.
I have a stag 6.8mm and I effing love it! Such a great round!
First guy I’ve seen that makes an omega planet ocean look small
A4 all day everyday coupled with m193!
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad HOOOOAH!!!
The changeability reminds me of the Stoner weapons system in Vietnam. The users loved it, the Defense Department, not so much.
Why did the DOD not like it?
Look at your happy little face, your like a kid in a sweet shop
It’s one hell of a new rifle using a gas piston system, ambidextrous controls, lighter materials and dual charging options. With all that the ar15/M4 isn’t going anywhere no time soon. The 5.56mm has had ammunition with a steel tip that gave them the penetration they were looking for and some ar15/M4 manufacturers make gas piston Ar15’s/M4’s as well. I have an ar15 and a ar10 in 7.62x51 and it’s all I need.
The new squad weapon does use the same ammo and the new squad machine gun and rifle has ammo that’s pushed fast but the new rifle is heavy as my AR10 with that thick barrel that’s necessary while having 20 round magazines down from the 30 round in 5.56mm. Just make 25 rounders and add a quick change barrel in case 6.8mm is unavailable and you gotta go back to 7.62
I am not military in the slightest, but I'd take the Sig MG68 with the general dynamics infantry rifle based on the limited info we have thus far. I'm very curious as to how this will impact the UK's attempts to replace our own LA85 platform.
He has an epic handlebar mustache.
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad must..stop...looking...at...that...'tache 😬🙄😳
That is the best t-shirt to wear to talk about arms companies.
I have high hopes for this!
I might be biased but I still think the Sig version of the NGSW is the best of the 3.
You are because it's not.
@@raylandraybels9462 Which one is?
@@raylandraybels9462 So which one is there Rayland? Textron or what was General Dynamics -OTS which was novated to Lonestar future weapons & True Velocity?
13:00 having those 4:50am late night existential crises in the middle of doing something important, can relate
I’m worried about our enemies because that LMG looks good.
The barrel life at those pressures.
The main question is, is it better than fn evolys new machinegun? Can you check out
Did you just wake up?
I would love to see this in ArmA3
what I want to know is when will they release the civilian version of the spear? that thing looks sick!
It's available now, but with a hefty price tag. $8000.
Cappy? You are a great testing platform for these things.
Lazy - Yes Sir!
Wimpy - Yes Sir!
Mere shooting skills - Sir! Yes Sir!
When do you get to test the new ED-209? 😉
Chris loves Sig, but does he love Textron and GD the same?
For the MG its gonna be the Sig but for the rifle i think GD Is better. US doctrine relies on manuever warfare , which requires a lot of motorised/mechanised formations and a bullpup design is better suited imo , its shorter than the Sig one , and it has less weight.
Good points. However, I can't help but notice other countries moving away from the bullpup. There must be a consensus that you lose more with a bullpup than you gain.
@@skookapalooza2016 Only one ive seen moving away is France , and it is an old Bullpup . Then you have countries like Croatia which have made a very good modern bullpup the VHS. Not to mention the Israeli Tavor , which replaced An already modern rifle.
The Chinese are going away from a bullpup design to a weapon similar to the M-4 also.
@@brycefelperin Chinese arent exactly known for their firearms , for their firearms ideas even less.
I agree, the MG is a good 240/249 replacement, but the sig M4 replacement I don't really see as a workable choice. But with DOD seeking m240 spare parts thru 2025 and beyond, I don't see them making a move anytime soon, which is probably a mistake.
Your profile pic for this channel should be big red and 1
SIG is going to win. There really are no downsides to the system other than the fact that it doesn’t reduce cartridge weight as much as the polymer options. The upside of that is that brass removes heat from the system which allows for longer sustained fire.
the brass removing heat from the system thing is a complete fallacy when you really think about it. You could just as much argue that plastic keeps the gun cooler because it insulates the gun from the explosion, that instead goes down the barrel (and pushes the projectile more). As far as I know there is no data as to which material promotes better cooling. And it doesn't matter anyways, because the weak point of the gun, heat wise, is going to be the gas block or the barrel itself, not the receiver area, which is a huge block of meta that's good at absorbing heat.
@@moonasha and everything the bi-metal cartridge achieves can be done using just steel casings. for a quarter of the same cost...
Do we know if the "US" Army will 'mix and match' platforms/weapons and ammo?
Like could "we" possibly select the Sig NGSW as the best MG AND the True Velocity/GD polymer ammo over Sig's brass/steel casing to save on weight?
That would probably be the best option.
I can't see them not doing that honestly. The whole idea was to adopt the whole system as ideally the ammo would be designed around the gun and vice versa. However, the TV ammo is compatible with the Sig weapon and TV has basically attempted to market itself as being more Than the ammo in the NGSW bid. As long as they can somehow make an ammo that can work out of the MCX spear to the desired velocity... They're going to mix the contract. There's no doubt about it and there's no reason not to. The only reason why you go for the bi-metal cartridge is to use the factories you already have, but realistically polymer is a lot cheaper than metal and always will be. And a 10% reduction in weight is like a 30% reduction in logistical costs. TV just costs less and has no limits in usage unlike the Textron Bid. So I can't see them doing otherwise.
His mustache had me convinced. Without that, the rifle doesn't work.
As a old 11B M-60 gunner from the early 80s this gun looks pretty interesting. 🇺🇸
6.8mm kicks all ass and I know when the US fully swaps ever 5.56 out with 6.8mm rifles it will really make fighting a war easier on their part.
I'm a big fan of the addition of the recoil mitigation system, and if they can get the plastic/CT ammunition working, then it will mitigate the weaknesses of going with a larger caliber.
Rates of fire? Especially sustained rate of fire?
I suspect this will never replace the M2
Look at your desk, lot of guns there. Just like army ammo depot
Have they given out specifics when it comes to weight?
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad holy hell that is insane with the type of round
@@kameronjones7139 yup, you basically got 7.62 machine gun that feels exactly like shooting airsoft.
@@zidniafifamani2378 all in a package that is half the weight of the m240 and 5lbs less than the the 5.56 saw. Something like is desperately needed
With it being so light, think any tactics could change with it, have extra SAW gunners in a squad it platoon? Would that allow for a more fast attack tactic?
@@deansmits006 that has been discussed in the weapons squad section of a platoon that carries the m240 so far there is a lot of directions they can go but it definitely looks like change is coming at the lower levels
How long until they actually replace the m4 and the saw though?
Great question, but these trials and competitions go on for years. Who knows 🙄
Even when they do, it could be years before rollout completes. So just imagine how many tons of ammunition they have saved up in bunkers for both those platforms 🤯
Cappy, if you leave the city look into nebraska. We have great stuff here and prices arent as bad like everywhere else. And our ZOO is the shit too!! Good people and we dont judge on color just content in this state!!
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad damn well texas is a really great spot, but remember this my friend, EVERYONE IS GOING TO THOSE STATES!! And i hate to say it but theres other red states that are in the same fight with texas and florida. I think we need to help them ALOT more cause its getting bad for the both of them. Sure they say they love it, but look at it this way. A box full of puppies ahh soo cute right? Well puppies grow into little shit head teens, same box now for this whole story. They fight a bit more and tear at the box and learn some not so nice things. Some of those puppies are now shitty while the rest are ok. Now full grow, small box and theres shitty pups and good pups in a box.. no room but the owners love having them.. not saying they want to own us but just saying, lets help these other states and help texas mostly and Florida with some help!! Sorry for the story but my words are ancient wisdom…just have to dig deep into the light.
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad You must like the heat if you're thinking about Texas or Florida.😃
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad Don't forget to consider internet as a consideration when looking at a city/town.
Gun is great but that Barrel change in their light machine gun is kinda give trouble.
Sig may as well be the US’ exclusive small arms developer. Seriously, the M17 & M18, the 338NM machine gun, the Tango6 LPVO, and quite possibly the NGSW 6.8 rifle and machine gun (& ammo to feed them).
Besides the Barrett M82/M107 and MRAD, Sig may have all the small arms contracts in the bag… (besides the cool toys SOCOM gets to play with)
Well they are one of the very few contractors thinking out of the box
@@zack9912000 as far as Sig’s entry into the NGSW Program, the rifles and ammo are the most traditional out of the three. The machine guns- both the 6.8 & 338NM have a moving barrels that help reduce recoil, but otherwise operate similarly to a traditional machine gun. This isn’t a bad thing, as it would take the least amount of training to transition troops to the new weapon systems
@@injuredoutdoorsman9011 They also have 1/2 the weight which is awesome too.
That dude's "mustache" screams "place pee pee here"
@12:48 Cappy are you ok? Do you need to talk to someone?
Tell us what the barrel life is!
According to Sig, all unwanted discharges was caused by a foreign objects entering the holster and hitting the trigger. Unrelated, there was a voluntary recall to upgrade p320s to avoid unwanted discharges.
@@raylandraybels9462 Good to know, now if we could only find out what's causing the M17/M18(p320) reliability issues in army testing.
So did the Spear recoil more than an M4?
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad Tracking. So when Sig talks about recoiling less than an M4 they are referring to the MG 6.8 itself instead of the Spear. It makes a lot more sense now.
I'm wondering if the soldiers testing the 6.8 rifle mind the extra kick.
So no tripod and t&e?
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad because the 240B is employed with tripod so if this is its replacement how would it work with the MSL, and other considerations. Im not a machine gunner but I find it odd that this would replace the 240B.
@@prypiat27 it's light as a saw and with recoil as light as a saw due to recoil mitigation system/ feature
Edit: capies words, also why couldn't you fit a tripod to this?
now you want to move to the countryside? how about a crowdfunded to fund your move to Connecticut?!?
But can it charge my phone?
Ironically yes if you can find an adapter for the smart rail
LMAO @ Cappy at about 11 minutes waiting so very patiently to try to get a word in. Also it looks like he's suffering in heat or really tired.
Coffee.
God I hope SIG wins the whole bid.
I would think our troops just want something reliable and easy to operate that can put down enemy forces.
Offset iron sights on a LMG equipped with an RDS??
Why sig why😭!? It should be available to all americans.
The only bias I have, is that the people can't have this.
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad Sadly but perhaps in the future if on November 3rd it all goes to plan. Maybe we shall be free again.
I know all the generals and press releases say that the NGSW Program will replace ALL rifles and machine guns, but I’m willing to bet that the rifles will only replace DMRs, and the machine gun will replace the M240B, essentially replacing only the 7.62x51 with the new 6.8…
“In close combat units” M4s aren’t going away. I see these supplementing squad firepower. Replacing the M249 and SDMR rifles and swapping some riflemen out for SDMR positions. Squad leaders and fire team leaders and systems operators will still get M4s
@@jamesgarrison5546 we can speculate all day, but in the end, we’ll have to wait and see what happens. That being said, I’d be willing to bet something like what you or I said will happen…
@@injuredoutdoorsman9011 it makes sense to me, you’ll have squad weapons with greater firepower than the MGs in weapons platoon, doctrine will have to change.
@@jamesgarrison5546 not necessarily, if weapon platoons get MG338s.
@@solarissv777 but that’s not even a question of NGSW. There is no big army program to replace the 240 yet. SOCOM is looking at 338 normas right now and crane has safety certified SIGs gun and Marsoc has fielded them. However the army has not announced any program or plan to adopt a new medium machine gun or an RFP for a .338 Norma gun at all.
Sig won't win since its too long and not optimum for room clearing. General Dynamics got bullpup design and is better for room clearing, getting in out of cars and urban combat.
Not sure, but I dont think they were too worried about room clearing. The GD rifle is bulpup and fires plastic case ammo. I dont see that program going anywhere.
They have used longer guns than this for room clearing and it is about 2 inches longer than m4 extended so not terrible. GD screwed up and didn't make a dedicated belt fed lmg and instead has to change out the barrel on the m240 which is outmatched by sigs lmg by alot and there is still the issue of the saw gunners
@@eagleone5456 what's wrong with plastic case ammo if it works and is lighter? What's wrong with bullpups if you can achieve optimal bullet velocity in a short rifle?
@@kameronjones7139 I can really see the US military also adopting Sig’s machine guns (but converted to fire TV’s ammo) if they go with the General Dynamics bid.
@@raylandraybels9462 it's more expensive and doesn't offer much benefit other than weight. I have yet to see how they feed and function under heavy sustained fire. I've heard some say that brass can actually achieve higher accuracy standards and the consistency is greater with brass. It also cannot be reloaded.. bulpups are great, in certain roles. I love Desert Tech bolt guns cause it just makes sense, but try to clear some rooms with a Tavor, L85, Aug style bulpup and you will see why most still favor a conventional style auto rifle.
So it's designed to defeat armor but can't penetrate level IV armor when almost every other industrialized nation's military uses it, and yet they already have AP ammo that can penetrate military level IV armor.
That begs the question which armor are they trying to penetrate with this new round because no almost military uses level III armor.
The ammo for the M-4 5.56 mm to defeat Level IV plates is Tungsten. It's a really expensive material to use for small arms ammunition. The current green tip M855A1 doesn't do it. The Russians have gone to a better personal armor system than we have and the Chinese are equipping their troops with something comparable to what we have. That's the main reason for the switch in a caliber that is part of these new weapon systems.
@@brycefelperin m855a1 isnt the green tip, that is the tungsten and it doesn’t defeat Lvl 4 armor.
Green tip is m855 and that isnt an armor penetrator, it can defeat III.
@@brycefelperin You're not getting my point. This new round won't penetrate Chinese or Russian armor because they're using level IV plates like us, making the reason to switch to this new round defunct from it's very conception. Which begs the question of what armor are they trying to penetrate, level III? What industrialized military uses level III armor anyway? Or who knows, maybe they're not trying to bust through _military_ armor at all.
Thanks for the information, I appreciate the correction (for real, NOT sarcastic). :-)
@@chadwickreno8499 If that is the case, then it might be purely for range reasons. The new scopes they have developed allow for ranges way beyond the M4's range. I think range might be a consideration. To tell you the truth, I'm just assuming. I have no evidence for their decisions So ignore me what I think, in the end they are doing it for their own reasons that probably relate to reasons we will never understand.
You should move out of the city
I wonder what would happen if they just upgraded the M4 to be able to handle some super spicy hybrid case 5.56? The spear looks sick but seems to be too big with too much recoil to be a general m4 replacement. The 6.8 MG seems like a clear choice though
Maybe it is because I have a PhD in chemistry, but I think polymer munition is the future: as the cooper is becaming expensive and you can achive the same performances with less preasure in the chamber.
Talking about 6,8 mm, I think it is too much for the average GI to deal with it and going from 30 to 20 cartridges in a magazine is a drawback.
Greetings from Spain.
The poly guys are achieving the same performance with less pressure by having a 22 or 24 inch barrel as opposed to a 13 and 16 respectively. You can achieve the same results by making current 762 nato weapons with long barrels and terrible ergonomics.
Adjustment in tactics may help with the lower may count. With the better optics, and more powerful round, perhaps less shots need to be taken to take down the enemy. Perhaps I'm off base, I dunno
I think 6.8 might be too much in terms of weight and recoil too...I wonder why they don't consider a 6.5 grendel or 6.5 creedmoor option.
@@cm-pr2ys because they’re looking at armor penetration. 6.5 grendel doesn’t have enough case volume to achieve the velocity they need. 6.5 Creedmoor could do what they want but some army lethality officer didn’t invent it so there’s no way they’d pick it.
Normally I wouldn't comment on another man's facial hair, but it's hard to take subject matter expertise from a guy who un-ironically wears a cartoon villain moustache... What has been seen, can't be unseen.
Not concerned about the caliber but the ammunition. Green-tip 556 is a good hole puncher, but a tad disconcerting when you punch holes in the bad-guy, hopped up on the garbage they put in their system, are still active in the engagement. It is not practical to carry a M240, or room clear with a 203. What does their round bring to the table, that will punch the hole, and create a wounding channel that will put a juiced up actor, on the ground?
Green tip was superceded by M855A1 EPR starting around 2011. Future rounds will most likely be EPR designs.
Not too sure if it will tumble inside the body like the 5.56, but it does carry twice the energy. That means something
The animation shows too many small moving parts in the bolt grouping. To strip a bullet from the belt a pop up leg comes off the bolt then has to go back down so the weapon can cycle, after 5,000 rds in the field that may be a problem. Use two stage feeding instead of single stage to keep things reliable and simple like the PKM. That's the secret of the PKMs reliability it's feeding system. Next reduce the number of small parts in the gas op system make it a two piece captured system so no small valve bodies fall out when your cleaning it. The Army hates small parts in a gun for obvious reasons.
Not sure if this means anything to you but the Textron LMG seemed way more simpler when it came down to small parts than even this SIG LMMG does.
I think that the 6.8 NGSW will probably replace the m240 and m249. But I don't think 6.8 rifles will replace the m4a1. The British Army dumped their LMGs( at squad level) because it wasn't accurate and effective at long range Afghanistan firefights. They didn't decide to replace their service rifles with 308 rifles. Long range fights are dominated by designated marksmen and 308 caliber machine guns. But when you're done fighting long range you are still going to have to go into close range environments (urban areas) where you will have to clear houses and compounds. M4a1s will dominate here because of the greater mobility and low recoil.
the 6.8 is for near peer threats. also why would you want only a select few to be able to effectively engage at long range?
side note a company made a 3A level armor than can stop 5.56 over the entire vest from like 10-15 feet.
The M4s and mgs will be phased out slowly unless the US gets in to another conflict. Possibly, could take up to a decade maybe more?
@@Backonos That's the thing. Only a select few are able to effectively engage at long range, no matter what caliber you give them. We learned this lesson multiple times.
Perhaps they could create a shorter version of the NGSW in the future...11" barrel?
Thank God I not an infantry. Well, yeah I"m but I'm not allowed to leave my BVP at no circumstances. We like to think about ourselves more like Cavalrymen... 😁
Imagine where the citizens are the masters of our government, yet cant get the same weaponry…..
Well it's their gun. They choose who they sell to.
The m2 wont go away
Yeah, it still has double the the energy of the Normal medium machine gun, at least. But the MG could replace the 240B in so many places, and maybe the M2 in a few places. I see it as a crewserve weapon, mounted on vehicles
So its a tiny bit better than the 7.62 nato with ammo galore for the 7'62 but hey just ignore that because we'll take this mg into outer space. Please i'll take the improved m60a6,probably because i carried the 'pig' in Nam and it was fine.
Because, in theory, it shoots faster, further, truer, and harder than 7.62, and the ammo is lighter, guns probably lighter. We gotta move forward at some point
There's one major downside; an engineer from Sig said that this machine gun has an 8 MOA. which is not great.
Thought they said 2-3
@@deansmits006 I’ll have to find the video and clarify.
6.8mm what idiot made that decision!? Every country is producing 6.5mm guns, barrels and bullets. Why not go for that?
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Indeed move out of the city
Not trying to hate but that dude has a captain hook stash. But I hope this weapon replaces the SAW it has soooo many more benefits
You got forearm warmers but no bicep warmers lul
Sig's machine gun is really solid. Unfortunately its coupled to a mediocre rifle and ammo. Their cartridge seems like an attempt at putting new ideas into an old concept, while loosing sight of the benefits of either
Which NGSW rifle do you like better, or do you think they all missed the mark?
@@dclark1980 personally I'm partial to the Textron. Both the rifle and the ammo offer some drastic improvements to conventional designs. They also seem to have a very well conceived mg that we unfortunately know little about aside from how it field strips
@@Tyr1001 cased telescoping ammunition has not worked since they began developing it in the 1970s. Textron didn’t even bring it to AUSA. Their guns are also heavier with an extremely overly complex mechanical design.
@@jamesgarrison5546 their rifles are lighter than the gd and lighter than sig as well, if you compare them both loaded (sigs rifle is 1/10th of a pound lighter unloaded). Cased telescoped ammo has, also, been working fine. I assume youre referring to caseless a la g11, which had a troubled development for sure, but was ultimately fixed... ditched for reasons unrelated to its performance. still, cased telescoped and casleess are not related, and textrons CT works perfectly well, as we can see in what limited media we have of it. Lastly, the mechanism is anything but overcomplicated. once i again i presume youre operating off of outdated or misinterpreted information i.e. that youtuber's best guess 3d reconstruction. in fact, textrons mechanism is as simple as any other rotating bolt mechanism, and in some ways simpler. a simple sledge bearing is far and away from "over complicated". Different, certainly, but complex it is not
@@jamesgarrison5546 Wrong, Textron gun is the simplest out of 3
Wow cool 😎, wish it can use armor piercing ammunition
Your Idea absolutely make sense. 👍
The problem: penetration value, similar to m2 is really difficult to achieve (you need some really NEW technologies, NEW MATERIALS to not let your Wunderwaffe to break after the first burst).
As for me, the main task nowadays is to reliably beat that spearmans.
And later we can find solutions vs something that will replace qbz 95
(According to what I heard - they don't use body armour, so m19/another NATO analogues of АГС 17 - is still a solution).
I feel like the US Military will go with Sig Sauer Rifle, Machine Gun and Ammo. They already adopted the Sig Sauer Pistol. Just my take on this.
And LPVO
SIG Sauer gonna be the next Colt, for better or worse.
Lot of people thinking this, due to the ammo can be made in current production lines without all new tooling, familiar handling of the rifle. Safe bet
Dude sounds like a salesman, be suspicious 🤔👀
When we can no longer find the M-2 in the United States military Arsenal the United States is done.
M60 or ma deuce. That's all ya need.
How much did Sig pay you?
Nothing. Just look at his apartment...
@@deansmits006 LOL