NGSW Spear 6.8mm Full Interview with Expert
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ย. 2021
- Subject matter expert on the Next Generation Squad Weapon US Army weapons program gives us a rundown on how the weapon works. THIS IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR MILITARY USE.
/ cappyarmy
Thank you to Jason St. John for his time explaining the NGSW Spear Rifle to us. - บันเทิง
Don’t be so self deprecating I enjoy your “Everyman” approach. That guy talks at more rounds per minute than his weapon system on full auto.
You ain’t lying!
NGSW Spear was a blast to fire - hopefully I get a chance to share the footage of me shooting the NGSW Raptor which is the 8 inch barrel version
Yooo that sounds awesome
Cool
Oh shit!
I wish more "interviewers" would approach an expert in their field of expertise the way you do. Let the one who is knowledgeable speak instead of what many interviewers do by butting in to try to show how "brilliant" they are, when they really are not. Great interview. Very informative.
Thank you, Jason St. John and Chris Cappy for your service to our country on this Veterans Day - and everyday.
Army: We want to make our rifles lighter.
Sig: Ok, here's one that's 8.9 lbs.
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And no one is talking about this. This will be nothing more than a SF rifle.
Happy veterans day Cappy
The Sig rifle with the True Velocity polymer ammo sounds like the best of both worlds to me.
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad I forgot the General Dynamics/True Velocity rifle had a 19" barrel. Even without hitting the 3000 fps requirement the polymer ammo seems better overall in my opinion. Powerful enough, less recoil, less heat.
@Skummar Köphunchuksohn watch the video of Cappy shooting the general dynamics rifle. The chamber doesn't get hot at all because of the polymer ammo. It's really kinda crazy
The General Dynamic / Beretta rifle is definitely better to shoot than this rifle. Lesser recoil, longer barrel, more compact. 3000fps 6.8mm from a 13in barrel just looks like a nightmare
@Dick Izzinya
I feel like making the Spear longer and heavier is not the way to go
I actually thought the same thing. I think the Army is being unrealistic wanting 3000 fps with manageable recoil. I think they should do two things.Use the polymer ammo and Maybe lengthen the SIG Barrel from 13 to 16 to make up some velocity l. If they could get 2850 fps with a high BC bullet included Bea big winner.
That SIG Spear is gorgeous. Honestly it wouldn't matter if it was a standard pressure 6.8x51 it would still offer flatter shooting and longer ranges than 7.62 NATO
Well no actually see the issue here is that while it would out of a normal length rifle... Spear only has a barrel length of 13" lol so it won't unless it gets an extra boost which is why they pushed the pressure so high.
Happy Veterans day everyone! Keep up the good work Cappy!
Always a pleasure to see a new Task & Purpose video on the feed. Great stuff, as ever.
It’s really cool of Sig to have you out there.
What a time to be alive!
Very interesting well done. Thank you for your service.
Nice video, with great info.
I look forward to the upcoming videos :)
I came to comment and not pay attention to the Information being presented. But seriously its pretty awesome you're getting 1 on 1 with these.
Can't wait for the 6.8 to become the next gen ammo.
I love it!
I wonder how this hybrid ammo would do in a smaller intermediate cartridge. Even if they don't win, it would be cool to see them develop a smaller intermediate cartridge platform with the necessary strengthening for the higher chamber pressure. Maybe it could provide a better balance of power and more easily managed recoil. And since the ammo doesn't appear to be backwards compatible with other guns due to higher chamber pressures, that could free them up to try out different casing and bullet size combinations. I saw one that is basically a 6.8 bullet in a 5.56 case. That could give be a nice opportunity to mix the government researched (I'm assuming AP) bullet for the NGSW with the readily available magazines. Make it an AR pattern for ease of use and it could be a good backup option for the Army if they find out the NGSW winner has too much recoil for effective use in combat. It could also be an option for other nations that are also changing their rifles to deal with armor but don't want to go to something like a battle rifle.
Finally hardcore-Google-worriored enough tp find out that the steel he's referring to is called "maraging steel". It's an iron alloy that's mixed with nickel, titanium, and other crap, but then it under goes an "aging" process, where, as I understand it, it's heat treated over a long period of time which produces a super specific type formation in actual crystalline structure of the steel.
I luv Cappy😃
6:45 He speaks the lingo of the gods!
Nice beard Cappy!
I still kinda like the GD rifle more. It just seems like a bigger leap forward than the SIG bid. Plus the polymer ammo can be used on other weapons as well, which would improve lethality, range, and also streamline logistics. Reusing M240s and M4s with the new round would be great for reserve or guard forces. The hybrid case sounds nice, but ultimately I think the Army would want to finally pull the trigger on a polymer round, or even that caseless Textron round. I don't know, but the SIG bid just doesn't seem to add anything new.
@@paulbarclay4114 They run much higher pressures though. The old guns might not be able to handle it or would wear out much too quickly.
That's the selling point of TV. It is normal pressures, just more efficient use of energy because none of it is transferred as heat.
Can’t reuse m4 rifles with a 6.8x51mm cartridge polymer, hybrid or the case telescoped. You could rebarrel the new HK sdmr and semi auto sniper rifles or anything that shoots 7.62x51.
The Textron round isn't caseless, it's a telescoped polymer case.
@@paulbarclay4114 Not really, the SIG cartridge is getting the same performance from a much shorter barrel.
The GD rifle maybe but it'd Machie gun is a big no go. Need a belt fed. I think SIGs guns are the best and should be tried with the True Velocity Polymer 6.8 round. Should be able to get 2800 fps and with a high BC bullet it would be still be supersonic out past 1000 yards. US Army wants too much out of one round. IMO a round that shoots flatter, bucks wind better and goes a few hundred yards further is well worth switching to.
Nice
Many North Americans complain about the weapon, but if they saw that the FX-05 is even heavier, they would be grateful, here in Mexico the rifle that the military has is heavier and longer, and it has not been: Given any complaints, the Soldiers here do not complain about their weapons, and they are very well trained and quite strong.
Not so much an interview :-)
But a talk at
Your the best funny humble mill chan out there
I want this rifle so bad.
you can really see the passion on the face of him xD
Sure. But he's also their spokesperson.... Possibly their head sales rep? Am I wrong? Is he an engineer?
I hope Sig makes a commercial version of the Spear.
Are we going to see any new programs? It’s been 9 months.
I need it.
The pistol grip angle looks super nice on the Spear
One minute in: "This nut". 😏
Clever move by SIG to use Maraging steel
Every single time he said that, I heard "margarine steel." Me: "You mean the steel is soft like butter? Oh. It's hard steel. Sure. Right."
The SIG SPEAR is quite possibly the best-looking gun I've ever seen. It'd be a shame if it was lost to time.
What's a standard 16" rifle going cost when and if they do come out?
Wow that's noice bro 😎
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad ya welcome bro
lmao I was creasing watching him stop you from talking when you really obviously wanted too
Is the SIG MCX Spear a SIG MCX MR GEN2?
Your opinion on FN LICC IWS
This weapon system sounds amazing any idea when it will be available to the public
It says in the description that its Military/Law Enforcement only. However we've seen this kind of development before- Nothing is adopted, tons of time and millions of dollars wasted, and then Sig will try to change the rifle into a civilian guise to sell it to the public to try and break even, just like FN did with the SCAR.
@@DarkestVampire92 Just like the internet, drones, Humvees. Everything the military develops eventually gets used in the civilian world.
@@satiivaindiica I've been waiting for 80 years now to have proximity fused ammunition available to me.
Could you imagine the benefits of that for clay pigeon shooting, hunting and defense against the drone of your neighbour looking into your bedroom window?
Alas, they wont let us have the VT fuse.
@@DarkestVampire92 😂😂😂 called that one! I got an email yesterday from Sig saying the Spear is now available. I said “cool”, took a look. They want $8,000. I just laughed hysterically.
@@dt7202 I'm sure the US Military is happy to adopt a rifle six times as expensive as its current one, when they didn't adopt previous ones that were 2k and less just because they didnt offer their insane "100% lethality increase" goals.
i wonder how a stress test or a melt down would fair on the spear
Curious how the 6.8 vs against body armor on the market performs.
I would be willing to bet it is going to be better than m993/m995 7.62 NATO rounds. Those rounds are pretty insane for an infantry rifle
@@kameronjones7139 it would be interesting. A 140 grain bullet at 3000 fps (only rumors I have seen on the weight of the bullet so we will see).
Lighter than the 308 offerings, yet faster. Which it is typically speed that kills armor.
Honestly, you can probably get better armor than military buys (though you will pay for it), and I imagine Sig targets military armor for how they engineer the ammo and gun
@@ACGBLR I have also heard rumors that it is going to be similar to a improved version of the m885a1 which to me is the best all around AP round
@@ACGBLR I think it's supposed to be a 129 grain bullet, basically the army seems to want .270 Winchester performance from a more compact weapon and cartridge.
ohhhhhhhh yehhhhhhhhh!
Chris, do you know for sure when the Army will pick the NGSW (approximately)? Where's the Bayonet? Where's the Manual gun sites?
@@thinkharder9332 First, thank you for your opinion. Bayonets may be obsolete to the Army, but for me they are essential and important. They are on my AR-10, AR-15, and my Remington 12 gauge shotgun. They are very useful especially those Onterio bayonets, very useful. Did you hear, the U.S. ARMY has chosen Sig Sauer Spear 6.8mm to be the Next Gerneration Sqaud Weapon.
I just want to know the fire rate
This video is missing b-roll footage. If he talks about a part, you need to cut to b-roll footage to see the detail.
I just want the civilian version of this already I’ll even take it in 7.62
Very charismatic Mustache™
What I get hung up on in trying to reimagine in my own mind what's best... and it's the 6.8mm
Why 6.8?
Is it because it needs to fill the role of a 7.62 machinegun, so the projectiles need comparable payload? Tracers, AP penetrators?
Because if they can contain enough compound or enough tungsten in a 6.5, or 25 cal, or a 6mm... then why not? Achieving the necessary velocity would be easier, and we already know a 123 gr 6.5 is efficient, light, but heavy enough to floor a deer, but high enough BC to land hits well out to 1000 yards, even in the Grendel, even better in the Creedmoor.
Wouldn't a hotrodded 6.5 be better?
I understand why 6mm is a bit small (even though the 6mm arc is getting very high praise, a MG in it would be pretty awesome) do what about .25 instead? A 120 gr hybrid profile .25 would have a BC higher than the best 130 gr 6.8 available. Using a rifle designed for the higher pressure the spear is, but running a gentler, smaller, intermediate round thats souped up to achieve battle rifle power would keep weight lower, capacity higher, and full auto more manageable.
So then why 6.8?
Basically the US military did a bunch of secret tests and figured out the 6.8mm caliber had the best ballistics of any caliber. Even 6.5. So they wanted it as it goes farther and will be faster to better damage body armor.
I wonder which general officer is going to retire to get a nice cozy job with Sig Sauer to see this get rich quick scheme through.
Travis Haley says the 6.8 is not worth the extra recoil. I wonder if he has changed his mind. That was a while ago.
@Great White
6.8 is getting "all grown up". Yep, things evolve. Tech.
Is that dude saying margarine steel? What is this special alloy!?!?!
So this has two charging handles?
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad hmms gives the familiar feel of the AR15
So, Get some manikins and place a steel plate over chest, at a range. One armoured dummy stand facing the shooter. Another lays prone as if firing back. Another is in cover (a hole with neck and head visible. And a forth is standing but walking away. And a fifth is simply standing sideways to our shooter. Shoot em all and see just how significant the best plate is in realistic profiles. It's optimum ONLY when the target presents the optimum, profile. Otherwise...not so much.
point being...it would have been wiser to develop the novel cartridge with the steel head around a standard 5.56 round. Give it some more velocity.
Use the military 6.8 only for the MG, and a few riflemen in a platoon. And call it good!
And if the OPFOR's steal plates are bogus (possibly) we would be in great shape! An XM5 SPEARS in 5.56 would be great! and with improved velocity even better.
This is great and all, but no one has ever explained as to why Sig decided to add a side charging handle along with the standard AR charging handle along the top. To me it just seems like a waste of money, another opportunity for a part to fail, and another place for dirt to get in.
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad The AR-10 still uses a standard top charging handle with little to no issue, as well as other ARs with bigger more wacky calibers.
It shouldn't be any worse for dirt ingress, it looks like it's essentially its own dust cover.
The side charger is better for clearing malfunctions because it's right in front of your face and you wont have to remove your cheek weld. It also acts as it's own dust cover so debris is not able to get in.
@@rustyshackleford4514 Pulling a side charging handle back while not removing a cheek weld? Yea good luck with that, not to mention that's a completely useless thing to have to do. The only time you'll need to use a charging handle is A. if you're chambering a round for the first time or B. clearing a malfunction. Neither of which require you to stay hard on the gun. As for it being its own dust cover, the bolt is its own dust cover when closed. It's an unneeded option to increase chances of losing parts, parts breaking, and overall more problems. The standard MCX Rattler, Virtus, and Patrol don't have it and neither do normal AR style weapons. We've lived without it for nearly 60 years now, if you so desperately need a side charging handle then use a Bren, SCAR, or ACR.
@@wockyslush3038 The bolt allows more dirt to get in the action when not covered by the dust cover so why not add it for a couple ounces. I would have never designed a rifle without an ambi side charge or forward charger like the cetme. The ar15 charge handle works and it works fine but side charging is just better.
0:43 He's a god dang autioneer.
I can see that no one is talking about the elephant in the room here. I am afraid this Sig rifle will be too front heavy with that scope and suppressor. That's a major drawback with this design. If they want a scope and a suppressor as standard equipment, the only way to do that is with a bull pump design, toe even out the weight distribution. General dynamics' rifle with a polymer case is the best choice. However, their machinegun replacement does not fill the same tactical niche as a machinegun, so here they are at a fault. Here Sig should get the contract, but with the polymer ammo. Sig's ammo is also too heavy when the technology for lighter polymer casings are ready, according to the army. All of this will matter during the trial. It might be that they go for a round 2 with more requirements, such as bull pump design due to weight distribution, polymer casings, and belt fed machinegun. Now Sig and Textron would have to develop a bull pump, while GD would have to develop a belt fed machinegun. Fair for all parties.
A: Scope isn't part of the gun
B: They all have suppressors and Textron didn't need a bulpup.
Also front heavy seems overall kind of moot when they were slinging under mounted shotguns and grenade launchers. Also bullpups are notoriously disliked and triggers will matter when your soldier is making kilometer long shots. You're right about the ammo though.
It's nice. But it's not major leap forward in effectiveness over the M4A1/AR15 famiy of weapons, so they'll be going nowhere.
The biggest upgrade is the higher pressure rounds the sig spear can handle. Standard ar15 has trouble with calibers like 6.8 and 7.62x39. With advances in body armor we will have to keep up and that includes replacing the m4a1.
Got so use to the "idiot" i'm not sure if I care for the "expert's" opinion.
Really getting a feeling sig have greased someones palm...
This guy spits a mile a minute, anybody would have trouble getting questions in.
The old bald guy had maraging steel tipped moustache.
Trekies over star wars fans, what was he thinking abot when he went to the darkside.
Would you consider taking a look at this one here? A small case, I think but interesting nonetheless. Polish - Belarusian border and the refugees from Syria and Iraq told to "being used" and "transported with Russian planes to Minsk" and then "transferred to the border". "People know they're being used [by Mr. Lukashenko], but they have no future," Mr. Ahmed said. - BBC. The weaponizing of the migration as hybrid activities in the seek of chaos. Maybe an escalation, getting some leverage for future dispute with UE perhaps.
The deadly cases of Covid in both countries went out of the roof. A long time kept low prices of oil, and a global crisis took its toll. Lukashenko was also pushed hard by the Belarusian opposition, with Mr. Putin eventually stepping in.
GD-ost is much better than "spear". In my opinion.
CT ammo or bust. If we don't take the leap now many of your viewers will die of old age before they see a true step forward in firearms
That seems like the best way to go until we can figure out caseless ammo.
I wouldn't say that any of these are really "a true step forward". We've basically reached a plateau in firearms design. I don't think we'll see a major innovation in small arms until batteries get light and powerful enough to make gauss/railgun designs viable.
When will the US Army they going to decide lol?
“Grotesque” motor skills? 🤨
Expert try to sell amost same M4 16 still not un pduction - Advertising
I can tell you didn’t really vibe with this guy lol.
Where’s the hot chick?
The firearm looks cool, but the people at Sig Sauer are detestable human beings who are willing to risk your life with crappy products that they use you - the consumer - to beta test their unfinished products. What was the last product that was released by them that didn't have problems? MPX - Nope (too many problems to count). P365 - Nope, plus they LIED about not doing incremental updates. P320 - Nope, failed the Drop test and they KNEW that Police Departments were using them (NO RECALL!). Sig Cross - Nope, this one was so bad that they actually recalled these. How many soldiers will be killed because Sig tenders unfinished products that they know will put the users' lives in danger? All for the dollar. What a grotesque group of people.
What other gun manufacturers do you buy from instead?