We Made a Tournament Where You Can Only Play 4 Cards
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- In this special Magic: The Gathering format you are only allowed to play with 4 modern legal cards! That means unlimited budget but very narrow design space for your decklist. Watch as Carl presents cardmarket's wildest tournament at Magic Con Amsterdam.
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You can find the 4 card decklists here: bit.ly/3Y4mbK1
Hi do you have a breakdown or primer for these deck lists? Reading through the whole deck list myself would take forever and it only does me so much good without an experienced player's opinion on each card.
Shoutout to all the players who guessed that everyone would run Thassa's Oracle and preemptively made a viable deck in 20 minutes with a way to disrupt it, you guys are the real heroes
Now i feel really smart as i had swamp thoughtseize one drop chancellor
Yeah that was pretty impressive
@@10freekie2 Lost really hard to another Chancellor, I take it?
The "Oops, All Lands!" strat was pretty smart
Absolutely! Though the (especially first) opponent could have won by simply not playing out the ghost quarter till the inkmoth appeared.
@@Woutva Or by playing the rack immediately since it cost 1 mana and he had two opportunities to play it - and when on the play GQ - > Rack into draw is better imo than passing.
On T2 - after being Ghost Quartered himself, and having no way to win without rack in play I believe he is either supposed to pass without playing a land or by playing a land and rack.
To be fair, it only worked because people didn't realize that they would need to hold their Ghost Quarter.
If The Rack had been on turn one and then held back the Ghost Quarter, that player would have had a way to kill their opponent.
While the Inkmoth player would have been able to hold and force a draw, there should have been a rule against holding onto your win condition indefinitely.
@@Woutva Keep in mind, we have more information than the two players do, so it's much easier for us to come up with a way to win than it is for either of them. If he has no clue that inkmoth as the wincon, he has no reason to hold up ghost quarter and wait for it.
@@markcargill1304 If you reveal the rack before ppl put down 2 cards he draws. Cause they will just never ver make their hands small enough to take dammage.
The kid in the top 4 here, I realized after I passed the turn that cavern doesn’t care about chancellor but for some reason my brain just didn’t comprehend it sooner. Sadly I never got another turn with 2 lands so that was entirely my fault but I did feel pretty bad about it.
Later someone wanted to buy the prizes from me for a play set of full art ragavans I was hesitant at first since I won it but the monkeys were calling to me. After that I traded those and what other cards I didn’t use in for a tundra so at the end of the day I wasn’t too upset about the mistake.
It was fun meeting you guys and thanks for signing my playmat and giving me my first dual ❤️
Well done! You were holding the torch for the Thoralce players there :) I'm happy you had a good time and that you got to trade your prizes for something as cool and historic as a Dual Land! See you at the next Magiccon!
Everyone misplays, just learn from it and move on. Congrats on going so far and getting a Tundra!
The winning deck was really clever
It is pretty genius against the field. Cuts off the opponent's mana generation to prevent thoracle wins, can't be griefed or thoughtsiezed against, and still presents a relatively fast clock in this format.
@@rayndeon1 Scammed grief on the play would still be their biggest nightmare. Too fast of a clock
@@rayndeon1yeah but if anyone had held their ghost quarter vs her and she held her inkmoth nexus its a draw, if either plays their land first its gg for them
If the last 2 opponents that played her were any good they would've just held their ghost quarter
@@BludMun 2 ghost quarters are still outnumbered by 3 ghost quarters! The brilliance was adding the third land, it made her deck immune against everything but her own deck.
That was brilliant. The winner had the same idea as most, which is to make sure your opponent can't do anything, but she counters everyone else because it's famously hard to stop your opponent's lands from doing things, plus the infect allowed it to outpace other 1 power creatures, and opens up an extra slot in the deck as you kinda don't need mana
Actually everyone that caught the strategy and had a Ghostquarter (as most decks in the semi-final had) could at least draw against that deck.
Feels strange seeing how they all played next to each other that no one managed to scout the 4 cards in the lands deck and hold Ghostquarter for Inkmoth. Even the finals opponent ran their Ghostquarter straight into hers instead of forcing a draw by holding it (or winning if she makes a mistake and plays a second land)
Feels a bit staged, at least in the form of some rules forbidding to pass with no play at all that was not shown in the video.
Not taking away from that deck being smart but I don't see how neither the semi-finals nor finals opponent managed to scout a 4 card deck in a tournament played at one long table. Both had a Ghostquarter and the Rack could easily force a draw and Slitherblade a win by just not running Ghostquarter out into her Ghostquarters
@@Neon-chan2015 I think the rack is a mistake. It's a cool idea, but it loses to your opponent just choosing to do nothing. I think a better include is to swap mutavault for cavern of souls and swap the rack for hexdrinker.
If the opponent doesn't just say "land go", you slam hexdrinker and race. If they do just play a land and pass, you blow it up with ghost quarter and get back on the hexdrinker plan next turn. It's proactive, it's faster than pretty much any other creature, and will even eventually get through the stall deck by just paying into the level up cost every turn. TBH, I'm not sure how you'd beat it other than just running creature removal which it seems like nobody did.
@Neon-chan2015 "not taking away from that deck being smart" bro, you wrote 3 paragraphs about how you think it isn't smart. Lol
@@casteanpreswyn7528 He wrote three paragraphs talking about how the deck could be better, not that it isn't smart. Different things. He took the idea the deckbuilder had and expanded it further.
@@andrewb378 lol he wrote three paragraphs talking about how he thinks the tournament was staged. Completely inane comments, yours and his alike.
If you all like this, there is a guy who runs a TH-cam channel called "three card blind", which is basically this but with 3 cards. He runs monthly tournaments and its really cool
I'm in the Discord and play in the tournaments! Results for this month release today and I have high hopes
People have been "playing" this type of format on forums and such for a long time but it's still very fun! I even helped score a 5cb on the Pauper subreddit for a bit.
came here looking for this
THREE CARD BLIND MENTIONED
👀 wonder how much traffic this vid drives to the 3cb channel
If I ever saw carl holding a flag in the air, he could make me do anything id follow him to the end of the earth.
Living embodiment of charisma
Because NOTHING BAD ever happened with a bunch of people following a German man with lots of charisma waving a flag.
@@FringedHorizon that's where my knoweldge as a Carl simp comes in: he's french canadian not german 🤓
@zendicarreborn8896 Well, that's WAY worse!!!
@@FringedHorizon also, the man you are talking about was Austrian and not German xd
@FringedHorizon glad to know we're worse then hitler...
And here we see a demonstration why Ghost Quarter is permabanned in 3 Cards Blind. This was so fun and entertaining, I loved the variaty of strats :D Kudos to the builders and congrats to the winner!
God, three ghost quarters, 1 inkmoth nexus is such a genius move
It could lose if the two last players had held their ghost quarter. But I think something like 2 Ghost quarter 2 inkmoth is better, it seems like nobodys deck could function against 2 ghost quarters
@@whgeek I think the big issue is that decks that were strong against control, like monkeys were knocked out by the sheer amount of combo Thassas included.
@@whgeek I think the best bet is probably chancellor of the annex, hexdrinker, ghost quarter, and cavern of souls.
Chancellor makes grief uncastable and when combined with a turn 1 ghost quarter for any islands it completely shuts off thoracle decks.
Hexdrinker eventually outpaces the rack for damage since you'll never play the chancellor, and even outruns your idea for second inkmoth nexus.
Cavern of souls makes other chancellors useless and stops any counterspells.
I think it might lose to a more tuned stall deck though. Maybe something like cavern of souls, ghost quarter, inkmoth nexus, wall of shards? Ghost quarter stops all thoracle chicanery outside of specifically 3 lands and thoracle, cavern of souls makes chancellor not a problem, and inkmoth nexus ignores the cumulative upkeep cost of wall of shards. That still loses to double ghost quarter double inkmoth nexus though.
@@andrewb378 I was thinking the best deck would be leyline of sanctity, razortide bridge, cavern and thoracle - I realistically don't see a way to stop it other than turn 1 thoracle
@@notrkm Oh that's quite good. Could be stopped with upkeep silence or consign to memory/trickbind targeting the thoracle trigger.
A stall deck could potentially incorporate strict proctor which would turn off thoracle entirely while also turning on grief but only as a 3/2... Could possibly also use unsubstantiate as a way to counter an uncounterable thing?
a minute in and hearing this idea for jeweled lotus + questing beast just has me going "oh you sweet summer child"
If that's not a player who's purely into EDH, then I have no idea why he would even think about Jeweled Lotus 😂
Like, did he think he was going to get a command zone?
@@senken12 He was probably thinking of Jeweled Lotus as "3 mana for a legendary creature".
Never underestimate the creativity of the cardmarket community. So impressed by Moth girl
Looks like a dude to me.
That is def a moth man
He actually had the advantage in the end. If he just played the rack on turn 1 and held the ghost quarter in his hand he could have won.
Love the creativity here. Death to Thassa's Oracle.
The challenge was amazing. I'm glad i got to be a part of it, i even got to share my hate of Thassa's Oracle at 4:23 !
haha, you where very clear on that
in semis the slither blade player might've taken it if they held the ghost quarter for the nexus - definitely more depth and sequencing to the format than it seems at first
The difference between this and regular 3cb (other than having 4 cards and no banlist) is that you don't know your opponent's deck, so he had no idea that holding the Ghost Quarter was the play. For all he knew, he was up against Thoracle again
@@sorin_markov I would have expected both would have known what the other played by then....so many people around him to tell.
Player Here that lost with the sliverblade, the tournament was really chaotic, which was fun, but you really didn't get the chance to look at the actual decks... Same can be said for the finals match
a lot of games had suboptimal plays or just flat out mistakes. the thassa's oracle player passed probably because he didn't realise cavern of souls would prevent it from being countered. if the guy in the finals had played the rack, he would have won, etc.
@@MrPiotrV He probably wouldn't have won, because Moth Girl needs to do 10 infect hits, while the rack will only ping for 2 in Moth girls upkeep. As moth girl will get to hit first, rack will hit 10 infect hits before Moth girl hits 0 life
Bro the rock paper scissors meta exists in this format lmao this is actually very cool. Magic players are very creative people.
Yeah, when the rules were first laid out I paused the video to think of what I would have ran. If I had played against the girl that won I probably would have beaten her and likely any Oracle deck, but any deck with Thoughseize on the play would have ruined me.
I figured a Grief Scam angle would have been absolutely brutal, but even that wouldn't have done anything against the Inkmoth deck
@@Zakadingcould race them…
@@JustRightPinedo Would have realistically been a coinflip tbh, if Grief doesn't get the first turn, its swamp would just get sniped and that's game over
@@Zakading perhaps, I presume you run Swamp, malakir rebirth, Grief and Not Dead After All. If you're OTD they cannot initiate the stack during your mainphase so even if you say swamp, Grief pitching rebirth you can float the mana before/in response to them blowing up your land... 7 turns to 20 or less if you get the +1 counter. It's a super interesting format nonetheless.
Three Card Blind is a small format that's a lot like this! Players submit 3-card decks and the judges for the format run through the gameplay assuming both players are making the optimal plays to determine which of the 2 decks wins. Hopefully this comment gets some velocity and they get some traffic for it because it's a really awesome community! You can find them right here on TH-cam.
Alt title: Magic players unknowingly rediscover the Yu-Gi-Oh metagame.
I've heard of 3 card monty before, amazing how one card makes a HUGE difference. This sounds like such a fun quick idea. Well done and well played. 3 Ghost Quarter and an Inkmoth nexus is so sick.
The last Ghost Quarter of the winning deck cant really be used since you cant use the Inkmoth Nexus anymore if you do, rendering you unable to win. Running Dunes of the
Dead (creates a 2/2 when it dies) would be better i think.
Probably, but they probably didn't think of that/ couldn't find that in 20 minutes
But why would your Dunes of the Dead end up in the graveyard? It can't sacrifice itself, and your opponent won't help you put it there.
They could probably get away with just running two Ghost Quarters and use something else in that slot, but might as well go all-in. And hey, can't say it didn't work!
@@MrMartinSchou You can use one of your ghost quarters to blow up your own Dunes of the Dead in a pinch.
@@Sevifor You COULD do that. You could also use the Ghost Quarter to power your Inkmoth Nexus.
Oh heck, yeah! This is very similar to 3-Card Blind format and seeing something like that played in real life is super neat!
Also, seeing the same sort of archetypes develop in this that you see in 3-Card Blind despite the vastly different card pools and players who've probably never played something like this before is really interesting.
Good to see the whole CM team. Carl, Jamin, Thoralf… it’s the A team of magic.
Andrea Manguchi would be Mr T.
I love the All Lands strategy! It's a genius way of showing how to approach problem solving! First you analyze the main problem (here it's limited ressources due to only having 4 cards) then you decide on an approach (either you make yourself win, by having more/better ressources, e.g. Thassa's Oracle/infect, or the other player lose by decreasing their ressources, e.g. counterspells/ land destruction). In a game of Magic, it doesn't matter how good your spells are if you can't cast them, so land destructions basically makes the other player unable to play the game. After you've chosen your strategy, look at it from the outside ("what could stop me?", counterspells can't deal with lands, so only another piece of land destruction) and adjust accordingly (have more land destruction). Bam. Win the game. Truly genius!
Not only that, but most discard effects like thoughtseize and grief can't hit lands, so her hand is relatively safe from discard
Ok this was actually cool; would be cool to see this done with a cube or even sealed packs
This is a stupidly amazing format. What a fun watch, especially with this many players brewing really interesting "decks" (or hands, I guess)
1:55 and this is why thassa’s oracle is banned in three card blind
I think inkmoth is also banned loo
Ghost Quarters, Laboratory Maniac, Thassa's Oracle and Storm Crow are banned and will never be unbanned
There are ≈20 more cards banned by the community
@laytonjr6601 thank god they banned storm crow, I can easily see it taking over the meta
The Rack is banned as well.
I once saw an inkmoth nexus almost win a game, hardened scales allbthe counters were on the nexus, lethal next turn.
Then Thoralf topdecked an Ulamog
We always used to play 3CB verbally during our road trips to tournaments
just further confirming everyone's suspicion that lands are broken
We've known that ever since moxes were banned but basic lands were allowed to stay.
being all lands also means it gets around grief, although the grief would still kill nexus faster
I can't believe the people did this in 20 minutes. I would have embarrassed myself with whatever card choices I'd have made.
This is so close to the very real and cool format of '3 card blind'
One of the first top decks we had in a similar forum game was Island, 0cc artifact, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Thassa's Oracle. It would have beaten any of these decks, it turns out.
In case you're wondering how it beats Chancellor, you play the 0cc artifact, and in response to the counter trigger, you counter it yourself with the Offer.
Hmm, IS there a way to beat that when it goes first? I thought "countering the Oracle specifically", but the only 0-cost "counter target spell" I know is "Force of Will" which isn't available in Modern.
When it goes second, of course, there's the bazillion ways to discard a card from the opponent's hand.
In theory, you can stop it by evoking Subtlety. Making it a viable list would be tricky, though; the remaining two cards somehow need to cover both "how do I keep the thing Subtlety exiled from getting recast" AND "how do I win".
@@TzizenorecForce of Negation works, but giving up two of your four cards hurts.
A somewhat more effective but also more specialised answer would be Archive Trap. They've played three spells, so exile the Thoracle for 0, and you have three cards left to win with.
@@TriangleChloros Archive Trap is a milling card. Did you mean to name something else?
@@Tzizenorec
Mindbreak trap i'd assume.
LETS GOOOO
Three Card Monte is an explored format, but four-card?? No one's ever done that before 😉
Something about the tattood woman winning with a card of a moth with tattoos feels very right
So if you consider that Ghost Quarter comprised 75% of first place and 50% of top 2, it is statistically the best card in all of modern.
This is a pretty interesting puzzle. My immediate thought before seeing what other people came up with would be plains, chancellor of the annex, angel's grace, aether vial.
Aether vial is really smart! But this would probably too slow to a deck with a one drop with two power.
Thoracle, Mishra's Bauble, An Offer You Can't Refuse and an Island would've dominated this event. I didn't see one deck that wins this on the draw.
This is very good indeed! As you get around chancellor of the annex. Which just means that on the play there is basically nothing you can do. On the draw it loses to thougtseize. So if you would have been on the draw against my deck you would lose.
I wonder if a deck playing an indestructible land or two could've won that?
Yeah!
This idea was brilliant. Kudos to the cardmarket guys
If he knew what her deck was he could've held GQ and kept going till she played Inkmoth lol
They did not know each other's decks :)
8:15 technically that was free win for slither blade player, just never play your own ghost quater until the opponent plays their nexus.
9:44 that ones a forced draw as it again completely impossible for them to ever attack with the nexus if their opponent just hold ghost quater in hand.
This is just a modern version of the 3 card magic format as seen here. www.youtube.com/@MTG3CardBlind with on extra card, where you forgot to ban
Ghost quater, and thasas oracle, and labrator maniac. Technically the rack is on the changable banlist.
They also banned inkmoth nexus recently
In this video they did not play with hands revealed, so you wouldn't know what you're up against.
For sure 2x Ghost quarter and 2x nexus would be a great solution for that kind of draw gamestate.
I think the best version of the inkmoth deck would be 2 Quarter 2 Inkmoth. You can never use the 3rd quarter without being unable to inkmoth so having a backup inkmoth in case of another quarter matchup would make more sense
Still can't beat the "second-place" deck if that deck is played correctly.
Also, the second-place deck had the same problem (can't use the Mutavault after using the Ghost Quarter), and the fix in that case is even more potent: Swap out the Mutavault for a Memnite.
@@Tzizenorecsadly can be countered. Personally I'd go with 1 ocelot pride 2 ghost quarter and 1 cavern. Turn 1 cavern and ocelot if going first if going second ghost if they show blue since that means they can't thoracle, otherwise we do the turn 1 play. We outrace moth since first strike prevents her blocking and it's ability copies itself quickly enough that we win before 10.
I’ve been thinking about this for an hour and I have a deck that beats all the top four decks and I think is pretty consistent. Chancellor of the Annex, Lotus Bloom, Ghost Quarter, Thoracle. Lotus bloom protects you from opponents’ ghost quarters, against other annex decks you save your ghost quarter to pay for lotus bloom and win on turn 3, and against any other deck annex + t1 ghost quarter probably locks them out
@@kerrickfanning6910 You'll have to keep your Ghost Quarter on the field for a full opposing turn in order to get Lotus Bloom through Chancellor, making you vulnerable to any Ghost Quarter+Chancellor setup.
@@nykthosacolyte5710 That's pretty good, but it isn't a variation on either of the winning decks; it's just a completely different great deck.
Its cool to see this. I thought as far as "ooh, Thassa's goes crazy" and it's fun to see how the difference between me and a good magic player is that the finalists all took the next step and thought "how do I beat Thassa's"
T2 is just very slow in general. Expecting that it is still in your hand and castable is a long stretch. I had thoughtseize swamp chancellor one drop in my deck so I was not really impressed by thassa. It is indeed very much the level 1 thought…
@5:28 Unblockable doesn't matter - the -1/-1 counters get through eventually
bo1 + no decklists was what really warped the format
The 3 card blind Discord found Chancellor of the Tangle, Flooded Grove, Thoracle, Gutshot. That probably sweeps this event if you can find such niche cards in 20 minutes
Also good: UW indestructible land (or Oboro), Cavern of Souls, Thoracle, Leyline of Sanctity
@@sorin_markovinstead of island you mean thassa?
But this loses to all hand disruption on the play right?
@@10freekie2 yes lol, oops
@@10freekie2 The first one does, but hand disruption is so heavily punished by this ruleset that it might be worth taking your chances. Hand disruption is really only good on the play, so having only a 50% chance of being effective isn't a good place to be. Might be worth it to just hope all those players lose their 50/50s before they face you or in your match
Immediately reminds me of the 3 card blind format.
I saw myself in the background! MagicCon Amsterdam was the greatest experience, and you guys were amazing!
I hope you had fun :D this Magiccon was so great! See you next year 🥳
I love y’all for all these creative twists on magic.
I love the all lands strat.
My first thought was 1 swamp, Not Dead After All, Grief, and any black card, but I'm looking forward to seeing what people do.
I really respect you guys going out and encouraging lots of different and novel ways to play MTG at conventions and the like, it helps keep the community engaged and highlights just how great the game is. Great job! 💖
3 ghost quarters is really smart in a format without power. In traditional 3-card or 4-card magic, that deck is pretty bad because lotus, lotus, broken 6-drop is a pretty common deck. I love land only decks though. They're sooo good against anti-spells decks.
I feel like darksteel citadel or the Indestructible artifact tap lands would become a meta call in the future of this format.
I was thinking land destruction was the way to go here. Glad to see I was right.
Excellent strats, looks like lotta fun. So many cool strats in deck design: Using OP cards that have downsides that aren’t downsides in absence of a library (ghost quarter), OP card in opening hand effects, rack (kill weenie meta in a format without artifact/enchantment removal)…
the winner’s strategy was simple and beautiful.
Wow!!! That was actually a lot more interesting and creative than I was expecting.
I was thinking of using: Land, Land, Slippery Bogle, Spirit Mantle (Or something along those lines.) Definitely would not have won!
She kicked ASS!!! Absolutely amazing, I wouldn’t even be mad about that win 😅
This was awesome! Fun to watch and fun to see what people came up with! I love it so much
This was my favorite Magic video that I've seen in a long, long time :) How awesome!
I'm happy you enjoyed it! :)
So this kind of feels like a variant of three card blind, seems kind of fun
One where they didnt ban all the extrememly broken cards like in three card blind.
everyone heard modern but only one person thought “legacy” wasteland + inkmoth is brilliant
I will say it again: this is the best mtg channel on YT.
Btw: my first thought was tron lands and some big payoff like Karn, but might have been too slow for this meta.
This is a really cool and engaging idea, gotta say this kind of challenges are way better that just playing for price or X format vs Y format gimmick for this kind of event. People seem more excited to play wacky formats.
This used to be a thing on the Pauper subreddit.
People would submit their 4 card decks each week, and they'd face off to see who won.
IIRC the first winner was Sandstone Needle, Immolating Souleater, Temur Battlerage, Lightning Bolt
The guy with the slitherblade in the semis could have beaten the lands player. If he didnt play the ghost quarter, he can just keep attacking until she needs to play the inkmoth, then he could play it and take out the inkmoth securing the race. Great deck idea
The best part about the inkmoth win is most of the people had ghostquarter to take it out but got greedy 😂
I was there, this was my favourite moment of Magiccon!
super cool format idea, surprised a grief package didn't' do better.
The problem is the Grief deck is dead to losing a coinflip against Thassa's Oracle + Thoughtseize and is always dead to any gameplan including Chancellor of the Annex
@@Falterfire If you play Swamp - Grief - Grief - Undying Evil (or any of the other ones that give +1/+1 and don't take your life) you tie against a Thoughtseize - Thoracle on the play (or win if they use life as a tiebreaker), and win if you are on the play. Always dies to Annex but outraces 4 land strats so pretty Rock Paper Scissors at that point, finals had 2 Annex decks and the counterspell variant of Thoracle that wins against Grief on the play, so the Rock Paper Scissors of this format was hard on Grief.
Yeah grief needs 3 other cards: black card to exile with evoke, mana and undyint evil effect. So it hasn’t any protection against a chancellor even on the play or a thoughtseize or counterspell on the draw
@@AlexG0080it wouldn’t outrace 2 ghost quarters inkmoth and chancellor. So wouldn’t that be the best? Or would that lose against 3 ghost quarters? I think it does?
i'm so glad combo deck lost and poison deck won, perfect for my taste kek
Im so sad I missed out on this while I was in the Pauper cup, it looks like it was an absolute blast!
It was! At least you got a legendary run in the Colossal Dreadmaw trade-up :)
@@CardmarketMagic that I did! Next time I see you all i'll have to have you sign the cavern, Im keeping it as a souvenir of the trip haha.
that was really clever, having triple ghost quarter was super smart. maybe you could play double ghost quarter and 1 other land for some other type of redundancy, but this is really smart, too
great video, and congrats to the winner! she deserved it :D
The best list my brain could concieve with only modern legal cards is.
Cahncelor of the forge
Gemstone Caverns
Leyline of anticipation
Burning inquiry
Every opponent is usually going to want to go first, and if you win the die roll, you can let them go first. You put leyline into play, make a goblin with forge, then put cavern in play pitching forge. On their upkeep cast burning inquiry to make them discard 3 random cards. Thinking through the format the only things i can think this loses to are force of negation and chancellor of the annex the latter of which is the issue.
My guesses on whats going to be good in this before watching:
1. Land Grief Not Dead after all (sort of effect) + 1 card that counters some matchup
2. Land Thassas + some obscure way to cheat 1 Mana and play oracle on T1 + 1 free counterspell
After watching:
genuinly surprised that there was no way to cheat out Thassas T1 - even more suprised about the deck that won
i know how
1) mox amber
1) offer you can’t refuse
1) thassas oracle
1) island
Alternatively, Chancellor of the Tangle, untapped land, Manamorphose, Thassa's Oracle.
Probably a few more, though. Still loses to Chancellor of the Annex or any counterspell, though
@@Sevifornot with cavern of souls
@@10freekie2 Issue is you cant play mox amber against the counterspell and theny you dont have the mana to cast thassas
Yooo so much Cardmarket! And another banger at that!
I think the correct land destruction list is 2 quarter 2 inkmoth.
2 inkmoth means you survive ghost quarter from the opponent.
you can never sac the 3rd GQ anyway since if you do, you can't animate Inkmoth Nexus. I agree a 2nd Nexus is better. That 3rd GQ might as well have been a Wastes
I think people really misplayed the Thoracle deck by not including the indestructible bridge as one of their lands
Oh, yep. Could still be stopped by Consign to Memory, and loses to the FTK that another player mentioned, but beats most of the decks played in the video (including the two finalists).
Main downside of using a Bridge is that you have no mana for a counterspell of your own between turns.
But thougtseize / grief still laughs at that plan.
@@10freekie2 and then what, it’s hard to win if 1 of your cards is thoughtsieze
Im so happy Goth Moth Girl won! Congrats to her!
"Jeweled Lotus is not modern legal" it also only casts your commander lmao (I've seen it in Legacy to be fair, but that needs more setup, copying the mana etc.)
This was one of the coolest videos ever. Me and some friends may try to do something like this
Leyline of Lifeforce
Chancellor of the Tangle
Flooded Grove
Thassa's Oracle
It's a turn 1 win if your opponent can't force a discard. Chancellor of the Annex, counterspells, and land destruction can't stop it.
This deck would have beaten all of the semifinalists every time (and every quarterfinalist we saw). As far as I can tell it's unbeatable on the play.
If it's on the draw, it loses the mirror of course, but also loses to any grief/thoughtseize deck. Still, 50% winrate in your bad matchups and 100% winrate the rest of the time is pretty good.
It's not unbeatable on the play because of subtlety. I think if people played this format extensively the metagame would probably be centered around this strategy, though: you would either play Chancellor+Flooded grove+Thoracle or you would play subtlety + blue card.
I think ghost quarter, forest, serene remembrance, the rack would be the list I would run after seeing this video
Everyone is having so much fun... joy is INFECTIOUS through the screen 😅
with all the Ghost Quarters running rampant, I'm surprised there wasn't anyone reaching for indestructible lands.
We just had 20 minutes so a lot of people even didn’t think about the idea of ghost quarters as you had to go and find cards and think of this weird format and how to break it in the meantime!
@@10freekie2 Oh, of course, the whole point of the format is that there's very little planning. I meant: enough people were going for Ghost Quarters that I would think that at least a few of those people would consider their opponents also playing Ghost Quarters. I know if I came up with an idea, I would immediately assume that others had the same idea.
Very cool video. I think I like this video the most of all the Amsterdam videos.
Highly recommend the 3 Card Blind youtube channel to anyone interested in this. Start with the video titled "Introduction to MTG 3 Card Blind"
The slitherblade deck in the semi's actually had counter-play and would have won a bo3; play a land and slitherblade, then do not play ghost quarter and just swing, forcing out Inkmoth nexus, only then do you play ghost quarter to destroy it.
Amazing creativity from the contestants. Also worth noting that if you make the format five cards instead of four, then you can call it Doomsday. :)
Yooo that lady was a freaking genius on the Inkmoth Deck. Such an incredible and silly idea. This is a great con format.
hmm. Grief, not dead, swamp, shrieking affliction could be something. When you need to pop a chancellor you can evoke not dead into it. Pay and have affliction as your backup t2. That beats any chancellor deck and the lands deck. But does lose to the strix-thoracle on the draw. But only on the draw.
2x memnite, ghost quarter, chancellor is a cool one. beats any thor deck, beats the lands deck, beats rack I think?
Loved this. It must have been closed decklists, because I think you can beat the lands strategy just by holding Ghost Quarter until they play Nexus.
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I'm happy you enjoyed it :)
The Ghost Quarter Inkmoth deck was the best one.
Edit: oh, ha, and then she won! That's good news, I was right. That's rare - one might even say MYTHIC-RARE.
They should have taken note of the three card blind banlist. Thassa's oracle, ghost quarter, inkmoth nexus, chancellor of the anex, and the rack are all banned. Would have made for a more interesting tournament.
For people who don’t know and have to figure those out I think this was more fun!
1:28 im in the Video again ❤ Mission complete 😄
This was amazingly fun to watch. I would love to see more but with progressively more cards getting banned so the meta shifts every tournament.
Like the top 3 most played cards or the MVPs are out so no more GQ or Oracle stuff like that
4 Card Monte, Modern style.
Crazy subformats.
I approve wholeheartedly!
That winning deck was genius!
When they mentioned Thassa's Oracle I thought for sure it would be one of if not the best thing you can be doing, so to then have players pause to think "is there anything even more broken I can do?" was really heads up!
I would have loved to play 4CM in a paper tournament after playing it online for 20-some years. This is so sweet.