We Play the Least Played Commanders We Can Find W/
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- Our guest thought it was finally time we started playing some EDH, so we learned to count to 100 and brought the least popular commanders we could find to the table. First ever commander gameplay let's go!
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15:30 All cards exiled are exiled face-up unless specified otherwise, so they need to visible to all players and therefore no trust is needed on the artifact/creature part
yep
Rule 406.3. Exiled cards are, by default, kept face up and may be examined by any player at any time. Cards "exiled face down" can't be examined by any player except when instructions allow it.
@@lorddracon8992 - ntm they must be shown in order to validate they meet the card requirements. If anything one can argue he only has to show the card types and hide the all the rest of the card info, but thats a pretty thin argument.
@@DismemberTheAlamo It didn't apply to situations where you look at a card and then exile it face down. Therefore, cards that do this also explicitly say you may look at those cards. Basically. If you exile a card face down, its mostly a general exile not meeting a type (E.g. off the top of the deck) But if you exile "An artifact from the hand" You need to prove the type, and so it's ~100% of the time going to be face up. But yea... house rules > tournament rules for non-tournament gameplay. Its funnier this way.
It was a mistake on our part, but a fun mistake nonetheless :)
@@CardmarketMagic Gatherer; 10/4/2004 The cards are exiled face up. :D
1:11:55 fun rules fact! The damage was actually delt, it just didn't cause the life total to change. This means that commander damage still counts, and Jamin could die from it despite his life never changing from the damage received.
That is hilarious! I wish the game had ended with a few more swings for zero!
I love the idea of Spice just lurking around the Cardmarket offices
The company-issued sleep paralysis demon
43:42 "The hat is being passed around like a bong."
Everyone: _shocked_
Thoralf: "I mean, it _is_ your _high_ ness right?"
got me rolling lmao
Comment I was looking for! #cardmarket where we pass the bong! haha
I'm a simple person with simple desires. I just want to watch Spice8Rack play EDH all day everyday.
I could watch it do basically anything all day. Easily my favourite magic tuber and one of my favourite youtubers.
We are the same
🤝
@@sethzard ss#s1
Spice8rack is simply the best💜
6:29 Spice8rack continuing the "Shuffle Up and Play" tradition of only 1 person understanding the assignment
Sooo happy to see our little Hakim-Creation put up quite the performance. It has already become one of my favorite paper-decks. Thank you for our great deck-building session, Toffel🥰 Loved the video🥰
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@@kingfilm100 hey! Glad you like it! Many Auras in the deck have enter or leave the battlefield triggers. Imagine Umbilicus with Reality Acid. Now you can snipe one permanent per turn without expending a card while even inflicting a little additional annoyance on your opps through Umbilicus. Thats also why cards like Omen of the Sea are in the deck - they just naturally interact nicely with the engine pieces.
But the bounce also helps to clear Hakim. If you Hakim back a Take Possession in your upkeep in response to the Umbilicus trigger you can then bounce it and use it in your turn. Does that explain it?
@@felicia7008 yeah explains it perfectly! Thanks a ton. Really cool and mad deckbuilding skills
hey! quick question as you're half the homies to build the deck - Toffel activated Hakim's enchantment attachment ability while equipped with lightning greaves, which grants shroud. I noticed on the rulings for Hakim that you cannot use his ability with enchantments where he is not a valid target (I assume to avoid silly things like attaching a wild growth to him for some reason)
does his attachment ability bypass shroud, or was this a simple mistake? Fantastic deck and fantastic piloting overall, loved the gameplay and the unique commander for the deck!
@@SoJexs hey :) Yeah youre assuming correctly as to what is meant with that legal target clause. It prevents those Wild Growth cases.
But Hakim works perfectly well with Lightning Greaves :)
1:07:11 Manascape Refractor enters the battlefield tapped Jamin. I'm surprised nobody else at the table caught that.
That almost sounds personal hehe
Twice, the same mistake was made at 9:32, but it didn't affect the game that time.
they play powerfull cards don't judge them :P
Wow Thoralf actually had quite a strong deck there, he had a huge impact on the game by stealing all those permanents etc. The other decks also looked quite good too. I have to say, the best play was the weatherlight hiding an expensive tutor artifact haha
Ive been taking Hakim out to FNM a bit now and it actually constistently performs well!😊 One of my new favorite decks!
Jamin's deck just seemed like off-brand tergrid, as soon as it started popping off no one had any resources to deal with it continuing to pop off hahaha
So glad Thoralf lost, stealing permanents is not cool
i found out sometime last year when a card says ''exile this/ remove it from the game'' the exile zone is a public zone unless it specifically says exile face down. so weatherlight auto reveals : ) love you guys and Thoralf playing commander was so cool!!!!
Carl's fiery emancipation wouldn't work with his commander since it's the opponent's creature that deals the damage.
I was going to say the same thing
That also means that thoralf stealing fiery emancipation at 43:52 would actually be good for carl (if he lived)
I didn't realize this until I saw this comment. He could play Furnace of Rath or Dictate of the Twin Gods instead, but those have the drawbacks of "only" doubling damage, and also applies to all damage caused by other players. Altough, I have a feeling Carl wouldn't worry too much about the latter :P
unless... harmless offering XD
Genius
I'm so excited for Commander content, especially with youse guyses editing. I know it's not necessarily feasible to do this often, but I'm glad we get it.
Youse guyses
Pls repeat this format, its so entertaining with such a high production value. Love it
Such wild and fun decks, and a great time.
Probably a dozen rule violations, but honestly who cares. I'm too busy looking up the deck lists for some sweet tech
I feel you, I love all these guys, and I love whenever anyone does unpopular commanders. I just keep getting reminded more and more that I entered the game with a very rules focused group who would look up the rulings on EVERYTHING, and that's not everyone's story
One of the most fun parts of Commander to me is throwing 400 cards in a pile and seeing if you can figure out all the interactions between them together
@@andrewp6738 Interactions are tricky and I can forgive them. Playing Everflowing Chalice for one is just an all-out rules break though - it is a 0-cost artifact with multikicker (2); you'd need to pay at least (2) to get a counter. Same for not exiling the Weatherlight cards face-up. That's just playing cards incorrectly in the first place.
@@andrewsparkes6275 Honestly the biggest rule violation I noticed was around 1:07:30 when Jamin played the Refractor but did not tap it upon it entering, he then goes on to use it as a Cabal Coffers the same turn.
@@andrewsparkes6275 I think he had a black floating and tapped a swamp to play the chalice
Fiery Emancipation doesn't even work with Dong Zhou, or am I missing something? Emancipation reads "If a source YOU control [...]", whereas Dong Zhou says "[...] target creature an opponent controls deals damage [...]". Since Carl doesn't control that creature, the damage wouldn't be tripled.
That is correct.
id wager he had something to take control of it for 1 turn. red does that a lot.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 but then the creature would deal damage to him not his opponent
Carl just had no idea wtf was going on this time
Yes, but it was funny content so it gets a pass.
31:20
You should have made two treasures.
Face breaker makes treasures for each player that was dealt damage by a creature you control.
They mentally errattaed facebreaker to make her a fair card, instead of yet another brainless pushed treasure card
Just what I was thinking
I think that extra treasure popped into existence at 40:40 anyway.
The number of mistakes there are astronomical haha I think most of them aren't use to edh or their cards haha
Thoralf really loves to be the villain at any opportunity. 😂
This looks like such a fun format. I'd like to see another twist on it where you can't use cards in more than somewhere in the 10-15% range of eligible decks on EDHrec, to show you don't need to run *anything* popular to have fun in EDH. Granted basic lands would be exempt from the rule.
I also looked through most of the commanders with less than 100 decks, I think my mono-black deck will end up being Ashling, the Extinguisher. It looks like a more fun way to run a sacrifice deck, which has gotten a really bad rap since Tergrid was printed, and she has all of 55 decks on EDHrec. That and I like her for the same reason I like Umbris (Aggro mill), it's aggro sacrifice instead of hard control.
Thoralf's deck was actually insane.
😊 Glad you like it!
I built Hakim forever ago and he's so sweet, was hyped to see him in this
So satisfying to see him lose. Just stealing other people’s things. Boring
@@travishester6859 Commander is a format where trying to win is actively discouraged. Commander players familiar with the format are aware of the sort of soft rules that need to be implemented into the game to make it a fun multi-player experience. However those who come from other formats have a drastically different approach to magic as a whole and can have a difficult time understanding that the goals of Commander are different than those of legacy(with the exception of cedh of course). There isn't anything wrong with either player(the spike or the timmy), they just see magic as fundamentally different games and therefore can have a difficult time understanding eachother.
tl;dr some players see the game differently than you do and that is ok.
@@pat7202 Nahh Thoralfs deck was frustrating to watch. Sucks the fun out of the game and he played it real mean
This very well might be my favorite EDH content on this site. Hopefully the format becomes recurring on this channel!
Thoralf throwing legendary amounts of shade in this game and I'm living for it.
And also throwing legendary amounts of auras on a creature with shroud.
I'm pretty sure Feldon tokens don't get sacrificed if they are given to another player because the sacrifice trigger isn't attached to the token, its controlled by the player that activated Feldon. We had an interesting experience with about 6 humble defector tokens floating around in one game from it.
So amazing to see a bit of EDH content in the channel! And keeping in line with your content, it has a very interesting and creative twist to it.
Just a small rules nitpicking; when Carl exiled stuff with Weatherlight, that stuff went to the exile zone, which is a public zone in game, so by default those cards should be exiled face up.
It was a mistake, but a fun mistake nonetheless 🙂
little thing, skyship weatherlight exiles the cards face up so they are public information
Yeah the card has to say exile face down if it doesn't it's always face up
Yep. I was gonna say this.
Which is why it doesn't have to say that you reveal them.
I like their house errata. The card is bad enough already.
@@skyguytomas9615 Yeah, I totally accepted that explanation as well. 😆 haha
We are clearly not habitual commander players 😅 given that there are four people at our table, one of which is a level 1 judge) and no one knew that
Hakim Loreweaver is severely undervalued as a fair enchantress style deck. I love him in conjunction with River Kelpie.
The ability to destroy your own stuff opens jank that you don't see normally
E. Conscription is an easy one however Arcanum Wings is a hidden gem along with aura swapping
I knew it, the moment it was spoiled in a previous video I was expecting the main trio and a guest like spice (because of spice month).
Great, I can't wait!
Thoralf tactically "missing" the "must" trigger on his clock that he'd never miss to offset the wheel effect on himself is hilarious and I love it
Great chemistry between all of them. More EDH stuff with different guests
I'm gonna keep saying it: the editing for this HUD and card zoom/animations is so good.
Great vid! I love watching Spice8Rack playing EDH :D
Also ,one small mistake, apart from the already mentioned face down exiling (I could not find anyone in the comments mentioning this one):
On 11:44, Spice turn starts but the Midnight Clock trigger is missed. Unless you alter it somehow, the 12th counter is always added on its controller 3rd upkeep after playing the card, but because one trigger was missed, it ends up getting the 12th counter on Spice's turn at 21:30 instead.
This is great! You should do more videos like this. Not enough love for commander on this channel, and it's fun seeing you design decks around unorthodox synergies.
Toffel just keeping everyone honest during the game
except for the one with the discard deck, he still tries to get around the blood pact...
You guys are playing commander!! Commander is my favorite format! I wish you guys would make more paper commander content
I know you probably don't want to do too much EDH-focused stuff -- that's a niche that's already super full of other excellent creators -- but I would love to see some more of this weirder EDH stuff!
....Never enough EDH.
Ok, this was incredible. I personally like watching interesting games in any case but THIS was exquisite. The banter among the 4 of you was very entertaining. Great, just great
Thoralf misplayed fate foretold. It says "When enchanted creature dies, it's controller draws a card." Meaning Jamin should have been the one to draw a card, and Thoralf should've enchanted his own creature.
Great video nonetheless, and I hope we see more commander in the future.
I was scrolling comments to see if anyone else caught that
You must keep on mind that Greel is also a Horror (added type), so it can go in the decks of Horrors.
This is beyond wonderful. I’m looking forward to all this commander content coming!
Gotta be a stickler for rules here 😆
That Manascape Refractor should've entered tapped, though it didn't do anything so that's fine.
I'm pretty sure that when Weatherlight says "exile" and doesn't specifically mention "face down", the cards are exiled face up, which is why you don't need to reveal them.
I'm also pretty sure that Fiery Emancipation and the Foundry Inspector wouldn't have worked either, since Fiery Emancipation says "a source you control", and the commander says "that creature deals damage to its controller", so the source wouldn't be controlled by the person controlling Fiery Emancipation 😅
Still though, super fun game, especially great to see how Thoralf's weird deck went off! Love it!
Very nice episode! Love seeing you guys playing EDH, super entertaining, keep it going. Best and most sympathic EDH gameplay I've seen for a longer time 👍👍
This was genuinely really fun to watch
@Spice8Rack has the vibe of if Russell Brand played MTG and was really into the lore haha. Love the EDH content! Keep up the great work!
I'm pretty sure the cards fetched with weatherlight would have been revealed since they are in exile, wich is considered a public zone.
Absolutely correct.
They pointed it out, but decided it was more fun to play the card as is read
A good video. lot's of random rule breaking though. Things like creatures with shroud getting auras attached (37:50) to them or manascape refractor came into play untapped and used the same turn (1:07:00 - 1:08:15). Commander is always tough to keep track of everything though and it was all just a bunch of fun
You can not cast an Aura targeting a creature with Shroud, but Hakim's ability does not cast the Aura nor does it target himself, it just targets the Aura while it's in the graveyard and then attaches it to him.
If an Aura is put onto the battlefield without using the stack, like if it is exiled and returned or Show and Tell’d in, then it doesn’t target, and just gets attached to a valid target, which bypasses hexproof and shroud. Those only protect from targeting. Kind of like board wipes and hex/shroud
you probably break just as many rules in your own games. You just don't record it.
@@ByzanQueen oh cool, that's a nifty interaction. so auras placed (not cast) on the battlefield bypass targeting? shrouds a bit older of a keyword so i'm never sure what bypasses it. thanks for the info
Man you guys have been putting out bangers consistently it's crazy
I really gotta wait in excitement for this!
"Would you like to explain what a Nyx Lotus does?"
"Nix"
😂
0:01 that sideboard discussion, it warrants 1 hour video on its own!
God you guys and 8 rack have such good chemistry
This was very fun, I would love to see more edh content with more pro players that have come on the channel before
"The advantage of playing a really bad deck is that no one thinks you're a threat"
This is why I show up with an unmodified precon.
So used to seeing people sitting at table height it’s so funny seeing them all stand together
Can this become a regular series? This was so fun!
I agree, it also gets me googling cards I wouldn't normally look at.
Thoralf didn't win in the end but that was some good fun blue magic and that made me smile. What a game!
Didn't expect to watch the entire video in one sitting! Lots of plot twists and suspensful moments that made me LOL. This is the type of game that I would definitely want to have with my playgroup!
This is probably the most entertaining commander content I have ever seen! Please make more of these!
The Dong Zhou doesn't play well with the tripple damage bonus since it says source you controll, so making your opponets creatures hit themselves doesn't trigger that.
grab the reigns is one of tons of cards red has to temporarily take control of a creature
This was a super fun thing to watch. I love watching discard decks win!
An interesting interaction which came up in a rules video more recently, is that even if your Life Total can't change, you can still take Commander Damage and trigger the loss of game condition that way. So here it's still worth attacking, even if you aren't reducing Life totals. (For super sneakiness, just keep track of the Commander Damage quietly as people ignore your attacking creatures that are apparently dealing no damage, until you can declare you've won.)
Carl misplayed, at 15:15 when he's searching for cards for Skyship, the cards are exiled face-up...not face down. they are put into exile which is a public zone, so other players can see what you chose.
This was fantastic! Can’t wait to see more
Call me crazy, but I feel like the skyship can be good; not for its card tutoring, but for its ability to thin your deck.
He could have rid his deck of every sub-optimal artifact and creature and made it much more efficient. If you think of it like Doomsday, it's not a bad card.
Or just remove all cards from your deck but a thassa’s oracle, no idea how you’d do it, but I’m sure someone could do it
And then be left with a high percentage of basic lands.
Basically just the "oops, all spells" legacy deck that mills itself with balustrade spy, but seems harder to make consistent
@@TheJannis1994 In this case, you're probably right, but that's not to say you couldn't build a deck around this limitation.
If you can build a commander deck that relies mostly on artifacts and/or creatures for mana generation, then this trick could still work.
Then If you draw this card, then you can use it to turn your 100 card deck into a much smaller and more streamlined version that does exactly what you want it to more efficiently.
I ran this card in Brago as a tutor effect but only for one card at a time of course; Brago would also flicker all my mana rocks so that it became essentially a free Diabolic Tutor every turn that Brago went unanswered.
I just started brewing Hakim (Loreweaver) in paper yesterday, and the LGS is likely to have some of the other cards I missed out on. I'm digging the mono-blue.
Finally someone who actually understands deckbuilding in EDH, Spice8Rack knows how it is, just because you are playing commander doesn't mean you have to play bad cards. People need to stop building terrible decks in commander then complaining when they do nothing all game.
That Greel deck doesn't seem all that bad at all, probably the only reason why it has so few decks, is that players fear becoming a target by making 1 player discard their hand
The quality of your content is absolutely insane. Love, love, love it.
How wonderful to see Thoralf play one of my favorite commanders! This video better become a series or I'm going to riot.
This is honestly one of the most entertaining games I have ever watched, not to mention how hilarious and strategic yall are! Keep up the awesome content :)
Just so you guys know, the Oracle text for skyship Weatherlight doesn't say you have to reveal the cards, but you actually exile them face up 😆
ngl i absolutely love the idea of Carl's deck, you can straight up kill people with their own commander damage
He definitely brought the stankiest jank.
THIS is exactly what I thought when I built my very own Dong Zhou deck a couple years back… but then I learned that commander damage has to be combat damage only 😭
@@solomonanderson4657 damm shit sucks, now you meed double the effort to make the deck work
Sneaky bottle with booze, bong jokes, mr. Weatherlight's superjank deck - this is the greatest commander video I've seen on youtube!
More Spice8Rack and Thoralf playing EDH against each other. There is a deliciousness to their banter.
You guys are....just great. I loooved Carl's deck and especially attitude. Made him really likeable for me. Great content!
I felt so bad for Carl not leaving up his attack prevention land to save himself from Thoralf.
he couldnt target it. Thoralf put lightning greaves on it
If I'm not mistaken, Midnight Clock always hits 12 counters on your upkeep because you're the one who played it. It'll always get its 4th, 8th, and 12th counter on its owner's upkeep. So technically thoralf shouldve shuffled and drew 7 before he ever got the chance to play Fate Foretold and Swiftfoot Boots.
Probably would've changed how the game played out a little bit, but nonetheless, great video guys!
Awesome match and I really did like the discard deck. However, I did notice that at 1:07:13, Jamin did play Manascape Refractor untapped when it is suppose to enter tapped.
He did that twice too. T-T
This game was truly amazing! =D So many hilarious interactions with unusual synergies. I love it! =D
I can't be the only one to find Carl's deck premise super fascinating and overall fun right? Like it's piss poor in strength but the idea's there. I wander if there are other commanders out there for it
I also loved the deck but when I looked up the commander I was surprised to see it’s around $200!!!
@Puck07 that's Portal 3 kingdoms for ya 😂
As somebody who just won a game of Commander last week playing my Kongming, Scholar General deck versus Jodah, the Unifier; The Ur-Dragon; and Dihada, Binder of Wills I couldn't agree more
-"We built commander decks [...] to prove commander is fun!"
One person builds a steal your shit deck and another person builds a discard deck
Amazing :-)
Super interested to see the weirdnesses that surely is about to happen
Also cool to realize that we have 3 people with names, Jamin, Carl, Thoralf and 1 Player who just has the Tag Spice8Rack :D
Ahhh nothing hits the magic spot like some well edited edh
My favorite part of the Dong Zhou turn is that the combo doesn't even work. Because the opponent's creature is the one dealing the damage ("target creature an opponent controls deals damage"), and Fiery Emancipation specifies that only sources YOU control deal triple damage, it doesn't triple the damage from Dong Zhou's ETB effect at all.
I think Thoralf forgot to put a counter on midnight clock during the second upkeep of Spice, because he shoul have shuffled the hand and draw sevend during his upkeep
This was a great and wonky EDH match! I love it!
no esperaba ver a un camarón con clase en los comentarios O.o
@@dawachanel1847 No estaba muerto que me fuí de parranda xD
@@1KamaronConClase se os echa de menos
para cuando un regreso épico de Kaponka? XD
@@dawachanel1847 no contaría con ello jajaja
Thoralf was a JOY to watch the entire game, truly hilarious!
This is hilarious, because it's true. The first hurdle starts at planning the first date and receiving flakes, she replans if Chad or Tyrone looks her way.
The Geier Reach Sanitarium Wilhelm scream is such a good running gag!
Never imagined Thoralf is that small! How fun!
Actually rude.
I was rooting so hard for Carl, so sad he didnt get to do his combo :(
Manascap enters tapped. But great game guys. The back and forth grind was halarious.
Yeah, unfortunately none of us caught that 😣
-Jamin
I’ve seen a lot of different types of videos of people playing EDH, but your video has been by far the most entertaining one. Please continue the effort! I watched the videos before because they were fun and entertaining but this one made me subscribe!
Thanks for the sub! We are planning on doing another EDH video in the near guture with Pleasant Kenobi :)
The player cam making you think Spice8rack is the player on the top right comer while on the game cam he is actually bottom left was really confusing and easly fixed
It would have been a mess if we ever flipped the overlay just when showing the players faces. As we are showing the board for most of the time, which aligns with the overlay, we assumed that the viewers have enough spacial memory to follow along during the cuts to the players 🙂
@@CardmarketMagic can't you flip the board cam? The overlay was not the fix I had in mind
@@Kristjan0209 flipping the board cam would confuse most people. If you look at any other professionally-shot commander videos, or even much other boardgames coverage, you'll find that the angles are the same as we used 🙂 we didn't go in doing this blind ;)
@@CardmarketMagic But they aren't the same. Look at any other paber commande channel (I checked quite a few), the players closest to the camera are the people I expect to see (expect because every other channel does it like this and it just feels right) on the board cam as the top left and bottom left players. Every other channel does this but for you the people closest to the player cam are the top right and bottom left players instead.
@@Kristjan0209 I looked into it after your comment. Turns out I hate your Deck and Game Knights show the other side. We were looking at other 1v1 formats for the side of the table they show during the overhead. In the end, unless you are showing the side the camera is positioned on (leaving the board to be one big horizontal stripe) the position of the overhead camera is completely arbitrary and is left up to personal preference. We'd rather stick to our standard that people have gotten use to for the 1v1 games on our channel, which is to show the view of the player to the right :)
0:26 Two looks of bewilderment, and one very happy Thoralf
@47:33 the damage caused by Dong Zhou's ability doesn't get tripled by your enchantment, because he isn't the source of the damage-- the creature he targets is.
Thoralf's little happy clap into corpsing at the beginning. lol. I love it
I dont think ive ever clicked on a video so fast. Spice8Rack playing Slobad? Yes please, plus Slobad is my favorite deck I have.
Hope to see more edh! You all did an amazing job with editing this and the group chemistry was great!
This was prolly the best commader gameplay video I've seen on yt, perfectly captured what the format can be and wow so much fun! I love your 1v1 content and wouldn't want to see that become less of a priority overall but also-- I wanna see more crazy edh builds y'all come up with :-)
Thank you! 😃 and yes, we'll still be focusing on 1v1 content going forward as commander takes us more than 4x more time to produce and we don't have a big team, but we will likely be doing commander again every once in a while, every time we have a guest over that plays the format. We'll be doing it again in October with Pleasant Kenobi, for example
fantastic, looking forward to it!
I don't even play this game and I absolutely love you guys and your videos! Thank you for always lifting my spirits boys!
No, thank you for watching! 😃