Cowherd: Teams need to stay away from Christian Hackenberg | THE HERD
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- Colin Cowherd counts the top QB's heading into the 2016 NFL combine, and Christian Hackenberg is definitely not one of them. Find out why Colin thinks so.
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Anyone come here after hack got traded for a 7th round pick😂
Ryan Park people hate on Colin, but you look back at his old videos, but hes right more then hes wrong
Update: he got cut before training camp. 😂
No i came here after he got cut by the team that traded a 7th round pick for him 😁
Bruno Barz Raiders got the 7th rd pick back 😜😁
@@brunobarz5898 they only lost the 7th if they kept him on the roster. It was a free look.
This aged decently except for the Paxston Lunch take
Tim Couch - 72pct, Matt Leinart - 65.7pct, Bradon Weeden 69.54pct, Johnny Manziel 68.95pct, EJ Manuel 66.89pct, TIM TEBOW 66.43pct. Completion PCT don't mean nothing.
That's a good point. Cowherd explain that.
+eddieisfiction Yeah, I hate that aspect of stat counting. When I was in high school we played a team where the QB shoveled the ball up instead of handing it off on fly sweeps. Gave their QB a ton of yards that he didn't earn at all, and if there was a miscommunication between them it would be ruled an incomplete pass instead of a fumble... Lost a game because of the later in my Sophomore year.
+eddieisfiction That wasn't the intention of the "incomplete pass" though. Yes, it's smart, but it's really a loophole in the rulebook.
The point isn't that having a good completion percentage automatically means you will be good. It's that if you have a bad completion percentage (in the 50s) in college, you're going to suck in the NFL as well.
Michael Nguyen. how many of them are starters tho?!
Then dak Prescott happened
Jeremy R nope...that oline happen
Same exact line as last year...Kellen Moore wasnt making the pro bowl. Not every QB will have his numbers if you put them in that situation. You hate to admit it but he's pretty good for a rookie QB who ran a spread offense in college.
+Reborn Phoenix Didn't know the Oline could make the throws
@Nobody aged like milk
Wow, I can't believe Colin was actually right about something.
I went to Penn State and the o-line excuse is trash. They did a great job of covering up a huge problem with him. He's not good anymore
+Take Notice What does attending Penn State have to do with anything? You just wanted to let is know that you went there?
Cobretti570 that there is a bigger problem that people don't know about, which I know because I went to PSU. Answer your question $mart a$$?
+Take Notice just say smart ass
+Take Notice I went o penn state and he is really good...trash team
+Take Notice How is the o-line fact trash?
Paxton Lynch is a huge project who looks like the like the dude on the old Buccaneers logo.
Ha good call.
Infametheus 😂😂
Paxton Lynch and Christian Hackenberg man, never lived up to the hype.
Lynch never had a shot
This actually aged well
David Pollak minus the Paxton Lynch call...
This aged really well
20-18 W/L for Hack, Goff was like 14-23 and he went first overall. He also had a bunch of games with multiple INTs including one with 5. Goff also has nobody to throw to in LA. Hack has Decker, Marshall and Forte if you want to throw him in.
I think he will be a beast. What qb could take those hits . It's mentally & physically draining
guys got fucked mechanics he'll be lucky to be starting in 3 yrs he damn sure won't be this yr
guys got fucked mechanics he'll be lucky to be starting in 3 yrs he damn sure won't be this yr
Infametheus in goff defense Cal was a terrible program at the time
Infametheus LLLLL
2 years later.... He was right.... rip my jets:(
I love looking back and watching this, I lived in state college when Hack was at psu, watching him was a pure abomination, dude literally couldn’t make 10 yard throws, every other pass would hit the receiver in the feet or in the dirt, dude was seriously a joke
I followed a lot back then. He was horrible. Couldn’t throw screen passes
How, he called it...
I bet that microphone stinks
dead. I would for sure sign up to have my face replace Christine's seat tho.
Im a senior at PSU and ive watched almost all of his games, he is great. The past two years his numbers fell i think because we had no offensive line. He had like 2 seconds before there were people breaking through, then he would either have to take a sack, throw into coverage or scramble and thats a lot to ask of a guy. I think he's got the body and arm to be in the NFL. He's kind of a douche cause I've had class with him and he's not exactly the most humble guy but I'm rooting for him.
+bcmoykg wow he actually went to class
Shocking. College athletes going to class. Heh!
bcmoykg PennState is a drunks pardise
Did Colin say Cam, Big Ben and Romo were all in the same class of mobility. Not pocket movement but mobility and athleticism
I think all the Quarterbacks from this draft are Jake Locker/Christian Ponder/Blaine Gabbert types. Nothing special and wont electrify the league.
+MrrMuyaagi I think Cardell Jones could be pretty good if he gets drafted by the right team. If Keap gets traded SF should take a shot at him in the second or 3rd round. Urban Meyer system for QB's is similar to Chips.
+Drummajortsu The moment you say he could be good if he gets drafted by 'the right team' that's pretty much admitting he's not special. Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady would have succeeded anywhere, now they might not have won championships or maybe been hall of famers if they were on terrible teams, but they would have been really good no matter where they played or for any coach or system.
A quarterback who has to be in the right situation brings to mind Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, or Matt Hassellbeck. Quarterbacks who were good enough to win championships in the right situation or be mediocre in the wrong one. You don't spend a first round draft pick on that kind of quarterback.
+Nelson Chereta You're completely wrong. QB's run their systems. They like having the same philosophy in place. Drew Brees never worked under Marty Shoteninhimer in San Diego the way he did in Sean Peyton system.
Joe Montana was in the perfect system in SF. You couldn't ask him to take 7 step drops and chuck the ball down the field.
You need to get that "system" espn spin out of your head. If you put a player in the best position to win it happens. Too many people buy into not being innovative and that's why the same teams win and the same teams lose.
Man I loved Jake Locker. Always hurt tho
7LeggedOctopusTV He's retired now so hey...
Dude if you saw him in his Temple game you will see 3 things:
1.)His Oline is ass, Temple sacked him with a 2 man rush. You can't do anything if they can sack you with nearly no pressure at all.
2.) He's a very smart kid. He made many good changes at the line and his command of the hard count was great and made a very stout NFL-style defense in Temple jump and show their coverages.
3.) His accuracy suffered because of dropped passes, and throwing it out of bounds because his receivers ran the wrong route, or he didn't get the protection he needed.
I see him as a Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler like guy. Granted they are not great, but i would rather have them than a Brian Hoyer, Mark Sanchez type dude. If he goes to a coach like Arians or O'Brian, he could be a very solid starter.
Why do people always scout college QBs by stats. Don't believe the "lets all hate Hackeinberg" hype. Look up his film and people analyzing his film. This guy is smart as hell and was able to call out blitzes and coverages easily. He also did this with LESS control of the offense than in his freshman year. I'm not saying he's the next Luck or Wilson but this kid is a very good prospect.
+Pablo Rivas You just hyped up a quality backup!
tmat2015 lmfaoo I did but remember, if your a good backup than you can start for the Texans
Dude, tell me about it! And if he wins 3 games in a row, he'll be on a segment of the NFL on CBS interviewed by James Brown!
Lol one big draft analyst said he's literally undraftable. He has 0 upside. He makes dumb throws and has horrible accuracy. He also can't move
+CGiveans again look at his previous year his coach clearly broke him last year.
Geno Smith - 71%
EJ Manuel - 68%
Jamarcus Russell - 67.8%
Kaep - 65%
Johnny Manziel - 69.9%
I could go on and on, but completion percentage means jack shit like most other stats. QBs from college is a crapshoot, some pan out, most don't.
Selectively using stats to prove your point - ESPN 101
+mistahsingh Exactly. What people don't realize is that the offenses are so much different in college. There are teams that run 20 bubble screens per game, so of course a QB's completion percentage will be high in that scenario. Using one stat to "prove your point" is just dumb.
Hackenberg was a JUNIOR Colin. Also, the North Dakota State line comment was absurd. They won what, 4 titles in a row? Their line is no where near as bad as Penn State's.
+Cobretti570 Or, if it is, it's only going against Division 2 defenses.
Terrible O-Line. I love Hack's ability to read defenses and make pre snap adjustments.
The Jets dont
Pretty accurate
Hackenberg will do great things in the NFL.
The NFL car wash.
Cowherd was spot on with this prediction.
micheal vick had the talent to be the goat tho
BallIsLifeYouKnow no
Daniel Yankun he did if he didn't go to jail and if his passing improved.
BallIsLifeYouKnow If he didn't throw away his career by going to jail then he would've definitely been up there and in the MVP conversation almost every year
Joe The God That's just not true. He was already past his prime.
Still can’t Hack it... (2018 ed.)
Ok you can quote 56% until you are (Penn St) blue in the face but until you understand the unique situation Hack was placed in at PSU you don't understand why it was 56% instead of well over 60% as he suggested it should be. Hack thrived under O'Brien and with Allen Robinson, then tanked under Franklin and after Robinson and with that awful line. I get it that he struggled on short throws and that would concern me too but he's got the brains and the arm. I great video to watch is "The Film Room Ep 12: Christian Hackenberg 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report" which shows exactly why he was struggling so much a year ago. It wasn't due to a lack of ability or effort on his part.
+Borrow919 Exactly also did you know Franklin tried to change Hack's fundamentals which Jon Gruden pointed out during his QB camp special
Prophetic.
Now he's an awful qb for Memphis.
Where Colin was right
anyone here after he tried to play baseball
In retrospect, Jared Goof is the only one that survived. And he was dumped by the Rams and is just a regular QB at best. He will not win you games. That was a terrible draft class for QBs.
paxton, nope. right about hack. only time you have been right.
Hackenburg isn't the worst quarterback on the New York Jets. Fitzpatrick, Petty, Smith.......
Cowherd said that if you put Goff in Bill Obrien's system then he'll be fine. What Cowherd doesn't mention is that Hackenberg actually played under O'Brien at PSU for his freshman year, and he thrived. I'm a PSU fan and student, and I've been at every game for the last 3 years of Hack's career. O'Brien-Hack>>>>>>>> Franklin-Hack
Aka Christian Sackenberg, man I been hearing local media in Houston that they need to get him, stay away from this dude
Christian Hackenberg came to Penn State to study with BOB. When O'Brien left Hackenberg could have transferred but he stayed for love of PSU; unfortunately in doing so he was stuck with a coaching staff that lacked the experience to bring him along. In addition the O Line was absolutely the worst in the country and has not changed since.
Hackenberg is good
Also he completed 70% in his freshman year with O'Brien as coach
Chargers Hackenberg Jets sources saying he's gotten worse and that he'll never make it
Hackenberg is a great QB, but James Franklin literally ruined him. The offensive line is shit, they can't do anything right, other than giving up sacks, tackles for loss, and other bad offensive stats. Had O'Brien not taken the Texans job, he would've been the best QB prospect heading into the draft. He needs the right coaching because dude can play, but Franklin ruined him the last 2 years and it has shown
After seeing this I'm convinced that the Eagles will develop Hackenberg and flip him for a 1st round pick
jrij28 idk he would have to get a lot of playing time for his value to be a 1st round pick. I don't see that happening with the foles and wentz on that roster
NOPE
He literally is the worst quarterback in the AAF now.
Whose here after he quit to pursue baseball? Haha
All those guys with 60+ completion % had a functional o-line. Hack was sacked in 1 second vs a 2 man rush against temple. A 2 man rush and the guy who sacked him didn't get touched. Let that sink in. If any of those other ones had that happen to them, then I will agree with using this % as a metric to judge a QB, but we are comparing apples to oranges here.
Penn State QB's are lacking...no offense to the Nittany Lions fans. Also, when Herd mentions quarterbacks throwing down the field @ 1:22, why did he put Brady's ass up there???
Completion percentage does not always reflect accuracy. Poor decision making, bad, protection, and inaccuracy can all be the reason for a bad completion percentage. Watched Hackenberg throw in his pro day and at the Gruden Camp. The dude is accurate, great mechanics (over the top), and has a strong arm.
One of the Jets coaching staff said that "Hackenberg couldn't even hit the ocean", and now Jets are willing to do anything to get Kirk Cousins in free agency. I'm glad that you're not an NFL scout.
I feel like hackenberg liked bill o'brien's offense and then when franklin came in he didn't like the system and had a horrific o-line
Lol Christian Hackenberg was payed a few million dollars just to play a few pre season games and sit on the bench
if i was arizona or the ny giants i would seriously look at hackenburg in the 2nd round....
good lord, yes the offensive line didn't do him any favors, but look at all the passes he blew even when he had 4 seconds in the pocket!! 56% completion in college?? by comparison, another famous penn state quarterback in kerry collins completed 68% of his passes his senior year!! HACK never was a top ten college quarterback...how the hell is he gonna excel at the next level?? 4th-5th round draft pick AT BEST...solid THIRD string quarterback somewhere.
+Michael Gass Are you kidding??? The kid was sacked 103 times in his career at Penn. 82 in his last two seasons which btw Paxton Lynch only was sacked 57 in his whole college career. The most allotted time he had during plays were up to 4 seconds after snap which for college is atrocious and would cripple any QB. He also was an amazing passer and all around quarterback with O'Brien but when Franklin came in he changed his fundamentals. It is a known thing that when Franklin came in he changed everything about the offense and tried to change how Hack threw. SO you tell me a QB who was sacked as much as Hack, told to change his fundamentals, and dealt with minimal talent at the WR position due to sanctions that he should be a top passer than you dont truly understand anything.
+MegaGam3rsUnited
listen, let's have this conversation after 3 years. i am a penn state alumni, i know busts when i see them. sit down sir, it's sunday so say a prayer for Hackenburg!
You're right, and now Jets are willing to do anything to get Kirk Cousins. Hackenburg is a failed project in New York.
Damn Colin. Rip the Hack. Rip the Lynch.
You can't judge that offensive line?!?!?!?!?!!? Are you kidding??? The kid was sacked 103 times in his career...82 in just two seasons....that offensive line was atrocious...hell in one game he was sacked 10 times and was only hurt once out of those 103. Any quarterback wouldnt complete that many passes with that kind of line.
Had a great game tonight
Colin nailed it!
But Vick lasted until and after he went to jail.
Right Colin,I remember someone saying,Ryan Leaf was better than someone name Peyton Manning.
Paxton Lynch was a bust lol
Future flop. I get sick of hearing the bad o-line excuse. He makes terrible throws on plays he gets good protection, and his lower body mechanics are horrible. He will be a career back-up. Do not take before the 3rd-5th rounds at best.
That's where coaching comes in. You pay a qb coach to correct those type of things. All that is technique.
Hackenberg is really just not very accurate with the ball.. dude is not nearly ready to be a back up in the nf, Let alone a starter one day.
Colin Blowhard the great draft prognosticator. According to him, Joey Harrington and Cliff Kingsbury are are the greatest no 1 picks. Wow, Colin I know you left espn on bad terms with the comments about bilinguals. Stop being a stat guy and bury some kid. Wouldn't it be funny if Hack becomes the best pro.
And Colin's anti-Cam bias shows once again. The descriptors he used to describe Paxton Lynch are the very same that analysts used to describe Cam Newton.
Teams*
Did this guy just use 'great quarterbacks' and 'Blake Bortles' in the same sentence?......Any credibility just went out the window!
How prophetic except for Paxton Lynch
this is the guy who said the sec is overrated this year
Just checked Daks college stats
sophomore 58% 1940yds 10TD 7int 829yd 13
junior year 61% 3449 yds 27TD 11int 986yd 14
senior year 66% 3793 yds 29TD 5int 588 10
the guys scored 23 to 41 to 39TDs, improved every season, everyone took a pass because he had a DUI.
But Brandon Weeden completed like 70 percent of his passes at Oklahoma State University. Great college stats doesn't mean he has talent. Ken Dorsey? Matt Leinart? Jamarcus Russell they all had good career at College
dak
Vick was pretty good though.
The reason he completed only 53% his last year was his confidence was ruined due to that o line he was never comfortable kinda like blaine gabbert how he was scared in the pocket
Don't kno what he's talking about they be hyping these qb's up its crazy. Look at the previous draft classes and the rookie qb's who did good and where they were drafted. The Nfl is a copycat league and now these teams are reaching for qb's
Things if you say, that your opinion should never been valued again:
2:38
Dak Prescott is the sleeper....outperformed all of the QB's in the Senior Bowl, but sports pundits are caught up in their "prototypical" garbage.
Fr bruh... Dak Prescott boutta be like russ wilson
+Geraldo S That's because "prototypical" QB's are the ones that win Super Bowls. Dual threats are almost never successful. The only dual threat QB to win a Super Bowl in the past 10 years was Russel Wilson, and that's because he had the best defense in the league and a great RB. Other than that, who wins Super Bowls? Both Mannings, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Flacco. All prototypical QB's.
+Christian V. Dual threats are generally new to the game. Most NFL coaches has not taken the time to learn to coach them. Dual threats mostly dominate college football and it's coming to the NFL....Cam, Kaepernick, Russell have been to the last 4 Superbowls....Bridgewater made the playoffs, while the young prototype QBs seem to be regressing...Matt Ryan, Stafford, Romo are all pulling 100M contracts and can't make the playoffs. Luck hasn't lived up to his billing either in a very weak division...there is no reason Indy should miss the playoffs in that horrible division.
+Christian V. Are you seriously saying that those QBs didn't have the top defenses in the league when they won the SB? Manning was awful last year, Flacco defense was #1 when they won, Pittsburgh defense was #1....now your argument is falling apart quickly.
+Christian V. Locker, Ponder, Gabbert....prototype QBs fail all the times...somehow nobody notices when they flop. These teams just draft another one which is why the Pats has dominated the AFC for the past decade.
Ha, funny. Yea he didn't complete as many passes as you would like, but you do have to account for his oline not giving him the time, finding the open man, taking the sack, forcing throws. Throwing the ball away. Then you have to look for drop passes, how many of those misses were on the receiver running the wrong route. If your not watching tape, you won't know. If your a GM and make decisions based off stats alone, then that's how teams pass on top talent, many of whom end up in the HOF. So in the end who is the joke? And how do you set school records despite the aforementioned problems if you aren't any good? You don't.
This guy is a joke. All credibility out the window when he said Romo was mobile. CH flourished under great coaching his first year. Ever since their coach left for the Texans, Penn states scheme has been terrible.
Hahahahahahab
In fairness to Vick, we loved him in Atlanta before the dog fighting thing. He took us to the NFC championship game he beat Green Bay in Green Bay in playoffs. I think a lot of people here thought he would eventually get us to the promise land. Vick wasn't a bust he just got caught killing dogs
kumar01234 it's a bust when you really think about it. NFL teams have to factor in personality and discipline
Trevor Varnell
How though the guy went 4 pro bowls and won playoff games. Almost made super bowl. Did he not live up to hype? No he didn't, but it's a far cry from bust.
Jamarcus Russell 40 million dollar bust. Ryan leaf bust,Blaine gabbert or Christian ponder mainly a bust. Vicks not a bust.
I mean the guy has a point
I've watched him play 30 times, he won't amount to anything in the NFL
lol Paxton lynch
Christian Sackenberg
You have to look at more than stats, watch the film , He is first round talent
+svrvideo No, he is not a 1st-round talent. He has a strong arm, but Jamarcus Russell had the strongest arm anyone has ever seen. Hack has nothing between the ears.
+Lowell if you watch his film you can see how smart he is, he can read and defense and make all he throws
***** Jamarcus was also able to make all the throws. Hack goes through his progressions very slowly. Sorry. He sucks. Give me the cerebral QB, like Jared Goff.
+Lowell Russel was an addict and got fat. He never studied film and played football for what it gave not for the love of the game.
Goff never took a snap from under center. He'll have an adjustment period. I am glad he has Gurley though.
No Connor Cook?
lol
funny all these guys are struggling or out of nfl already lol
tell that to the jets!!!
+Rumen Doggett His analysis was a joke.
and the fucking jets took him in the second round smh
Wow youre the top ranked player in high school can go to any school you want &choose Penn state out of all schools..... you deserve what you get for going to Penn state. His stats and his football life could be a lot better if he had simply went to a different school
Jared Goff is a bust.
L. Give him time.
Pat Etim don't L me. He shouldn't of been the first pick or anywhere near the top 10. He wasn't even that good in college. Give him time when they continue to be the laughing stock of the NFL.
I don't say he is a bust, but even Payton Manning had a BAD rookie season. And Jared Goff had Jeff Fisher as his head coach..that dude is awful.
Nick G have you been watching this season?
U look dumb lol
Damn 😂😂
And then there was dak
John Karolzak you didn't see him coming either lol
Paxton Lynch huh 🤦🏾♂️
Right
Lol. Hackenberg had all the "traits" that the GMs cream in their pants about... But didn't have the game. The dude can barely make their 53 man gameday roster. Lol.
Big Ben mobile 🤔
#dakota4mvp
How much did Brady completed???
Senior year 61% 16/6 TD/Int I am rather surprised he fell to the patriots and didn't get picked up in the 3rd 4th or 5th round
Um...tom brady is the posterchild of the short passing game. He's absolutely a mediocre down the field thrower to anyone not named gronk.
+Antonius Khalt Who's he gonna throw bombs to? edelman? Amandola? dion lewis? lol
Hack>Lynch...you aren't going to throw 70% completion with a shit O-line..ITS NOT HAPPENING. this video will be hilarious to watch in 5 years.
+Joey R (SmokeyNYY) It's also hard to complete 70% of your throws when you can't diagnose a blitz, and move like a glacier in the pocket. The guy has feet made of concrete, and Lynch is miles ahead of him in athleticism.
Michael Jacobson seemed like he diagnosed it fine his freshman yr as a 18 yr old with a decent oline
+Michael Jacobson Run and shoot Offense doesn't need any blitz recognition. I know Lynch has beaten Ole Miss. Has he ever beaten Michigan as a 18 year old like Hack?
Lol
This comment is hilarious right now
Welp...
Lies
After watching this I'm positive Hackenberg will be a star.
Why is Colin's mouth so wet? It sound like he's eating a Jolly Rancher.
this guy is just plain awful