Put a .585 cam in my 103, it made a huge difference in power, did all the work myself...If you do it yourself, jusr make sure you use the quickie adjustable pushrods, easy job to do, and nothing but horsepower and enjoyment
I’m a H-D master mechanic with 27 yrs. Experience. I run the fueling 543 “freeway flyer” cams in my 95” TC. In my humble opinion these are the best street cams you can put in your Twin Cam. Look up the specs and I think you’ll agree! They supply the torque and horsepower where most people ACTUALLY ride and need it
My 2014 103, I put a Woods 222 cam in. Could not be happier. I also did the heads. Power numbers are 116 lb/tq and 103 hp. I looked around and could not find a cam with better torque numbers down low. I love it.
I'm a huge fan of the Wood cam, they are arguably impossible to beat with what I have seen out there. That head work made a difference with that cam, especially pulling that kinda power and torque numbers!
Finally bit the bullet and went ahead with woods 222 cams, man what a difference it's an absolute pleasure to ride my 103 FLHTCU now, the idle lobes are just awesome. Thanks, Gixer your video inspired me to go ahead with Woods 222. *Woods 222 Knight Prawler Cams. *Fuel Motto adjustable pushrods. *Torrington full complement inner cam bearings. *Jhonson Hylift Lifters. *V&H FP3 Tuner. *V&H Hi output slip Ons. *SE Air Filter.
After thirty years and 250,000 miles riding Harley Davidson motorcycles I made the switch to BMWs. Loved my HDs, terrific bikes, I just wanted a different riding experience. I do wished I would have hung on to one of them as I miss the Harley experience. This channel has rekindled my interest in reacquiring a Big Twin, and I'm off to look at a 2013 low-mile Road King in the morning. I'll keep all 3 'Beemers', and with the addition of FLHR, I'm thinking I'll have my bases covered. Thank you for helping me decide on the 103 ci GixerFoo - and yes, I'll be installing the Wood TW222 cam as per your suggestion. Owning and riding a Harley Davidson is fun, and I am looking forward to doing it all over again.
I put cyclorama 570-2 cams I'm my 2012 streetglide I bought new. Replaced everything in cam chest at 56k. 98.7 h.p. 116 ftlbs of tourque. Vance and Hines pipes. Great tune. 31 degrees of timing. Had to put in screaming eagle clutch with heavy spring. Didn't touch the top end. It's amazing. Good manners down low and nuts going up top. Valve springs rattle if you lug it. Still uses very little oil. Would like to do better valve springs. It's running so good I don't want to mess with it. Oh screaming eagle cam plate and oil pump. Better oil pressure now. Fueling lifters.
Well it’s a done deed. The wood TW-222 made a world of difference. I’ve went through a couple tanks of gas and I am very happy with the change. The map that they sent me from Vance and Hines was great. Not only more power and torque but I believe the engine runs much cooler, I could feel the difference.
So did you just add the cams to your tune to get it running and send Vance and Hines the map to tune if for you ? If so how did it run with the FP3 tune before V&H sent the Map
So I did the Woods 222 cams, 26000 miles 2015 road king. Replaced the cam tensioners, INSTALLED screeming eagle cam bearings, fueling racing lifters, rocker lockers. EXISTING V&H FP3 . V&H sent me a custom tune. Runs awesome. Just swapped out the big city thunder QQ baffles for the monster baffles. More logical for my bike as the QQ baffles do not fit the correct way in my duel exhaust. Going to have it Dino tuned for 400.00 and call it good. Also got the legend rear shocks and axeo front cartridges. OH MY GOD. Power and comfort. The bike I dreamed of getting the first time I bought it. There was wear on the cam tensioners. Also the Manufacturer put the lifters in backward, the oil slot was facing the wrong way on one head. Way to go, Harley Davidson.
Checkout the S&S MR 103 cam. I had this installed 2 weeks ago in the easy-start gear drive version. It made 108 torque staying above 105 from 2200-4200, & made 98hp with K&N filter & Freedom 2-2 pipes. Originally the bike made 70hp a massive 40% increase in power from a stock 103cu with the right cam change...
Those are impressive numbers, especially maintaining torque like that through that range of RPM. Cams are an awesome upgrade for any otherwise stock engine with exhaust, air cleaner and tune.
After watching this video and gaining a better understanding of what goes into choosing the right cam, I’m more than pleased with my decision. I didn’t want to tear down the motor or go bug bore kit. So I went with the Woods 222, and the bike dyno’d right on the money 112tq and 94hp. What a difference, the bike pulls through all the gears the torque is amazing. You don’t need horse power when you have torque. Even the guys at the speed shop smiled when he said for a “baby” cam he was impressed
It's amazing what just a straight bolt in wood cam will do, those are some awesome numbers! Everyone gets hung up on horsepower but the real story is torque, that's what makes it fun.
My pick is the Wood cam.....I ride all rpm ranges but stay in the curves more than on the freeway. Torque is what matters to me as it's what moves the bike...Thanks for the vid...I will have those cams.
Good choice! I like the Wood personally, it just has more power everywhere without the dips and valleys in the curve other cams have. Some people complain they are noisy, which they can since they have a lot of overlap to hold the valves open longer to get that power.
Something to keep in mind: if you put serious mileage on your bike you may be better off planning on adding a big bore kit rather than cams alone as that provides a perfect opportunity to rebuild the engine since you’ll be in there anyway. If you have kids who are age-appropriate for doing this work it’s also a great bonding opportunity with your kids. Something I know many of us are often struggling with finding anyway. I live in AZ and run a power vision on what started life as a 96cu, so I’m acutely aware of the risk of cylinder head overheating issues ruining the temper on the aluminum, effectively requiring me to at least pull the heads to have them tested (if I could find inexpensive takeoff heads with automatic compression releases I have done that instead - and on that note if anyone is in at position to sell I’m actively interested). Due to some health issues I’ve had defer a lot of this work by a few years anyway (hence the necro-comment), allowing me to combine a lot of this work into a single build, otherwise my advice is to ensure you don’t overlook the fiddly bits as it’s the perfect time to combine cams with a new cam plate, upgraded pump, and trued crankshaft (and replace that useless compensator of course). As for which cam to pick: call Fuel Moto, talk to any of their techs (they have a bunch who are competent, explain your actual riding conditions and they’ll set you up with the right cam for you. They all understand this isn’t a just a numbers race but a matter of finding the right gear for you specifically
I put Woods 222 in my 103 when it had 50,000 miles on it. I live in the mountain west and high plains area. I also freshened up everything in the cam chest. I couldn’t be happier with the performance.
I ride a 2015 Road glide special. I bought it from Classic HD of Reading Pa. As the story goes...one of the owners had the bike built up for a "tail of the dragon" ride he wanted to go on. Beside a bunch of other upgrades, as the story goes, it has Andrews 57 cams installed. More apparent, it had a D&D 2 into 1 and a Performance machine freeflow intake...and I it was tuned (and I still have) the orange (outlawed) HD tuner it was tuned with originally and I also have a V&H fuelpak 3 that I bought to make adjustments to the tune when I made a change. The bike, as purchased, was insanely loud at first. I bought the quiet baffle from D&D but that only quieted in down so much. With the original baffle, it will easily peg the speedometer ...pulling hard all the way. With the quiet (louvered) baffle, it will hit 120 but it takes a bit longer ( I have a 3 mile strip of smooth highway I test it out on a few times per week in the summer)... My only complaint about the cam is that it's tougher to ride slow and I think it makes the bike loud (I've changed the pipes to a complete V&H dual system but that only decreased the power but it was still loud). With the perforated baffle it screams, it's plenty strong with the louvered baffle too...but it's still really loud. Is there a way to make a 103 quiet but pretty powerful and nice to ride at slower cruising speeds. I love my bikes power. It'll run with nearly anything but it's loud and a choppy when I'd like to go slow and quiet.
Thanks for posting, I have owned my 103 for a few years and I'm ready to tap in! I had a VH Big Radius and Arleness breather. Upgrading to Bassani B4, but after this review, I am with you on Woods 222...torn between S&S 570...but you help pinpoint from 20 options to 2. Thanks for the vid!!
I have a 2013 Wide Glide 103 with Wood-222. It made it a new bike. I had a touch of head work, but nothing crazy, and I can basically can pick up rpms in any gear and pass without having to shift . You would have to lag the bike so bad you're doing damage for this cam to not be immediate screaming power on tap. It's perfect for a dyna which is much lighter than the bigger bikes and it's pulling the baggers extremely impressively.
Woods 222...I have a 2016 Road Glide Special with the 103HO...this help me out tremendously I have the D&D 2into1...Screamin Eagle Cone filter...brand new Transmission and Screamin Eagle Assist Slip Clutch basket...Screamin Eagle Tenioner...Man-O-War compensator...I should be a beast with the Woods 222 Cam 💪🏾🤴🏾
I have the S&S 570 in my’15 Ultra & absolutely love it. It really woke up this heavy bike. Also changed exhaust to d&d 2-1 fatcat and big sucker air cleaner and of course tuner. Is a blast to ride.
You've got a really good combination there, D&D exhaust perform very well! That S&S cam is a great cam for the touring bikes, you get that power right where you need it!
No problem, l have a lot of feedback on cs for the 96. I do have a video on the FuelPak and the Power Vison. I've worked with both units, both have highs and lows.
I have a '09 with a 103, SE heads, forged flat top pistons, Feuling cam chest kit with 525 cams, SE Race tuner. Runs great with great torque that doesn't quit.
Just did the tw 222 cam in a 103 here in ny its away at the dealer for the winter cant wait to get it back. Only reason i went with the woods 222 is because of this guy. Thank u gixxerfoo
Finally!..Someone showing some love to the Twin Cams. Really appreciate the content. It's fantastic. Wondering if you could do a video of bottom end crankshaft servicing. Does it make sense to true up/bullet proof your bottom end crankshaft and crankcase before getting into a big top end build? Cheers.
If you were doing a complete case split rebuild l would do it at that time. If you're doing a top end kit for the street l wouldn't tear it down to do that. If you're racing it or you ride them really hard l could see tearing it down for that. I appreciate the support on the channel!
Sir, Thank you for this video. I almost upgraded my 2011 ultra limited with screaming eagle cams. After watching this video, I went for the wood performance TW222 cam shaft. This was the best thing I cohld have done. My harley had the screaming eagle stage 1 with RC excalibur exhaust pipes. The sound bevame deeper and louder with the TW222 cam shafts. I also change the cam plate and oil pump with s&s brand. Now, she roars and move with a purpose. Thanks again!!
@@GixxerFoo And I forgot to mention that it already had a variable press clutch. Literally had to re learn how to manage the frictiom zone for slow turns. Absolutely love it!!!!!!!
I had a Dave Macky 575 cam with S&S lifters and a racing tunner. In my 103 twin cam. At 4000 rpm it feels like its got kicked in the ass and really pulls very hard to 6 grand. I love it. Do not have to drop a gear on freeway to pass. Pour on the throttle and it puls hard in 6th gear at 2300 rpm.
I was happy to see you focus on TQ and how and what you ride. A cam increases power but more importantly, it shapes power to your riding style. I have S&S 551 cams in my 2013 ultra limited because I almost always ride with a passenger and with all three bags stuffed to capacity. It's not rev-happy but my TQ is over 100 before 2,000 RPMs and carries all the way out to over 4,000. I would have liked to try the S&S 583 but I went with my dyno tuners advice since I feel he know much more than I do.
I did install the S&S 585 Easy start cam and wow what a boost in power! Also the starter turns over the engine much easier than it did with the factory cam! You wont go wrong installing the 585! You will unleash the power that’s in your bike!!
The 585 easy start cam is one of the cams I’m thinking about putting in my 2014 Heritage. What kind of hp and tq are you getting and where on the power band do you feel it?
That cam just has power all over the chart, it beats some of the cams out there that target top end only without losing the bottom end. It's pricey but well worth the extra money!
CycleRama CR570 is the best drop-in cam for a 103”...!!! It has even more area under the torque curve than TW222! It has gobs of low and midrange torque and will still let the engine rev to a higher RPM! Wes Brown has it figured out and their cams kick ass, take a look! Builders love it also and people with 222’s love the CR570 more......
I chose the S&S MR103 easy start cams, a .585 lift, the MR stands for medium range. It seems to be a good match. The advisor at S&S assured me I don't need to change anything like valve springs or port and polish the heads($950 for that!). The dynamometer showed 98hp at 110 lbs of torque, not bad. I think people overlook S&S due to them being so well known and probably think they are too old school and conservative. There R&D probably is top notch and are truly a proven company. I also changed to an S&S cam plate and oil pump setup, and have the V&H FP3 tuner.
Did you have to grind the crank boses for clearance do to the 585 lift? I went to install my S&S ms103 on 4.8.2022 and the cam lob hits the bose on the crank. Need to grind some off, not exactly what I wanted to do.
@@michaelbrooker1763 Yes Michael, the MR103 is a medium range cam, .585 if I am not mistaken is the highest lift you can install with stock pistons. No doubt I made a good choice.
I have a 2013 FLHTK Ultra Limited with the 103, after watching this video, I went with the S&S 570 cams and It was perfect for those cruising and romping on it here and there. It also gave me exactly the lope I was looking for! Appreciate the video as it did help me choose which cam to go with!
Damn...i keep heading woods 777..woods 777....i originally last year bought the s&s 574....s&s big bore screaming eagle crank n a power vision tuner...well . Got screwed over on the whole build and ended up trading all that for the screaming eagle 103 t.c.... now im fumping the money in the fueling kit with 525 reaper ..n then seeing the woods numbers making me wisdom life right now... good vid
Wood makes a hell of a cam, but they are noisy due to the ramp angles and how fast they nose off on the lobes. The Feuling cams makes excellent power and they aren't noisy so that's a serious benefit.
I run the fueling 543 cams and I love them but it helps to have a 95 inch from an 88 inch with 10.5 to 1 comp. ported heads ,a Thunder header, a 42 Mikuni ,and a 6 speed. my bike is an 02
Maybe in the future I might consider a cam for my 103. If so, and based on this good info you bring and my riding, the Woods is my choice too. Thanks for the video!!!
installing the S&S 570, cam plate and oil pump tonight 2015 103 HO street glide special bought new 36,000 miles. Looks like new inside finishing tomorrow. Cant wait to light it up
I went with Star racing Tork Star 577 for my stock 103. 577 Lift, 32 IVC, 224 x 248 TDC Lift .120 x.166 Going with a good open air cleaner and the d&d fatcat exhaust. Can’t wait to see how it does compared to the great cams you reviewed
I had cyclorama 570-2 put in 98.7 h.p. 116 ftlbs tourque. Freaking awesome. 6th gear pulls like 4rth gear. Still as good manners like stock cams at 2k rpm
I bought my 2015 SGS 103 twin cam used and it has the D&D Fat cat 2 into one the Screaming eagle heavy breather and the Power vision tuner. I do not know what cams are in it but the local Harley shop was doing free dyno runs "so they could tell you what they could sell you to make more power" I took a chance and when I was shown the numbers was surprised . it made 88HP and 104 ftlb torque. the Service guy shook his head and said I can't do much for you with out more money than you will want to spend "He was right". I wish I knew what cams are in it but the one good thing is my brother has the same bike except he has the Harley tuner and stock cams. I walk him hard on the highway roll ons to 110 MPH. No matter what gear he is in. I was thinking it was a 255 but think it must be more aggressive than that. Thanks for the info!
That sounds about right for a dyno day at a dealer, the D&D is a very strong exhaust too. I am really surprised it was 88HP, have you had it tuned on a Dyno or did you use a canned map with autotune?
I would imagine there is a lot of power left in there that a good tuner could pull out on a dyno. A qualified dyno tuner can take a stock bike and find some hidden power.
I'd definitely go aftermarket on my 110se. I just haven't decided on the cam yet for my slim s. Hope you make a future video on cams for 110s. Always great videos watching from Upstate Ny
Wood cams really run strong, all their cams pull really hard and gain over stock in every rpm range. A lot of independent shops that develop their own big bore packages include a Wood cam.
I am running with V&H Power Duals and Monster Rounds, SE Open Air filter, and I recently installed the Woods Performance TW-222 Camshafts and SE Cam Plate and oil pump. I have FP3 tuner with provided map with hardware installed and really enjoy the power and torque today!
Nice video, you've shown plenty of cam choices and HP/TQ figures. Personally I love the fueling 574, pulls harder that a 15yr old boy after a Taylor Swift concert.
😄😂 nice... lol yeah it really depends on which power curve you like best and fits the way you ride. Peak horsepower and torque aren't all there is to choosing a cam. If you go with the peak numbers alone you risk losing out on a lot of power where you ride the most.
do you have chain drive? and are you getting the full potential off these reaper 574s? im looking for the same cam, but dont know what parts i need and also what parts for light head work, clutch and throttle body . i have a stock 2017 dyna 103 fxdb. im going for gear drive
I just got a 2014 road king with the 103ho and a set of ho slip ons with a fp3 tune...and it's a big power and torque jump for me at the moment..I came from an 01 Rk with a stage 1 ..so I'm gonna just wait till I "grow " out of this set up and then I will go to the woods cam...from what I heard you say i like what it does.
It's a really impressive all around cam in my opinion, it gains way down low over stock and carries up into the RPM range. Plus with your FP3 you'll be able to easily get a tune for the cam.
GixxerFoo, I'm glad you made this video. I have a 2016 103HO, and I've been contemplating swapping out the cam chest. I've put close to 40,000 mile on it. It hammers pretty good, and if you need to evade, pass, etc... you can grab a gear and hammer on it. It has a great rpm range. I'm just looking to give my bike some more practical torque, and horsepower without compromising reliability, rather, increased intervals of maintenance. If you've built "hot rod" bikes you know what I mean. I was thinking of the SE585, the only one for my bike by SE, or Fueling's 543, or 574, or the 525 kit. But, since watching your video I think I'll nichs the SE cam. For me they're mostly on par, yeah you gain a little, but the cost outweighs the benefit. You're not getting enough bang for your buck. The Fueling kits are nice and cheaper than S&S kits. I'm not knocking S&S by any means. I've been a customer of theirs many times. One reason I'm considering Fueling is that they give you a cam description as to how it will function, and its rpm range. The same can be said about the whole kit. That's helpful information. S&S's website, their product description doesn't go in depth like Fueling. I don't think S&S regularly maintains their website, or they want you to go to a dealer. Your mileage may vary. Then again, I just may eat crow, and have the local Harley dealer install the SE585, SE tappets, the SE cam plate and oil pump, SE adjustable push rods, etc... It depends on how thirsty I am to swap out the cam chest. Regardless of whether I do it myself or let the dealer do it, I have to get the ECM programmed at the dealer. I don't have the software, or else I'd do it. By the way, If you know of an alternate way to adjust my ECM let me know. Best Regards,
If you're going Feuling, I would highly suggest FuelMoto to order the cam and the Power Vision tuner. The Power Vision will give you a much better tune right out of the box. Likely a lot cheaper or right on par with what Harley would charge you, either way it's going to be a lot better tune than the dreaded "download" at the dealer. Best part is ordering from Fuel Moto, you give them the specs for what your bike already has done to the motor and for the cam you want to swap to. They will preload the map for your setup onto the Power Vision and the bike will run pretty well right out of the box. If you decide to really dial it in on a Dyno, Power Vision is what most all Dyno Tuners use and they can tune it for even more power.
Hey bud. Great video. Helped me choose a cam for my 2013 103 Street Glide. Leaning toward the S&S but any of these cams is a huge bump in power. Almost hard to believe. MP
Thank you! Just a cam swap with a good aftermarket cam, exhaust and tuned on a dyno they make more power than a entire Screamin Eagle big bore kit. S&S makes a nice cam and I really like that easy start option which eliminates the need for compression releases. S&S even uses the easy start cams in their high horse, high compression crate engines.
Definitely the wood bolt in!! I had no idea that just a cam switch could make such a big difference in HP and torque!! I have a 96" twin cam with a stage 1 set up. Does WOOD make a good drop in cam for my 2011 wide glide? Thanks for the great video brother!!!! 🤘🤘
Just bought a 2014 Dyna. Did pay $1700 for 3 year warranty but should cover everything else. That wood cam is gonna be my first mod!! The bike already has V&H pipes, windscreen, quality bars, and tuned ofc.
Yeah that's very true, it's the same cam that comes in the SE high compression stage kit. It really makes some power when you bump that compression up.
Gday from Australia, gotta say, really enjoy your content and now shopping for a tw-222 woods cam. I'm no racer but every now and then like the blast of a torque monster. I've got a 2015 Road king classic Rushmore High Output with Big Screaming eagle slip ons, Big sucker air intake, Power commander 5 and Cat-less power headers. Screaming eagle performance spark plugs and wires, (Plug Leads). I think the tw-222 Wood cam and a new map will really suit what Im after. Fingers crossed. Look forward to more content. Cheers! Happy new year mate. regards Craig
Thank you! Being down under you get to ride all year round, right now I am looking out the window at snow on the ground. Sounds like you've got a great setup to build on, the 222 is really hard to beat for the all around performance. That cam in my opinion blows its competition away and you don't lose bottom end for top end or vice versa. It will feel like a brand new bike with a cam swap!
Hey GixxerFoo, I went with the Woods 222 cam. Bike is running strong and feels good only thing I noticed is the RPM’s shoot up really quick 1st -3rd! Almost immediately need to shift 1st gear! Kinda need to speed shift. I do run the bike hard. Just wanted to know if that’s normal for these kinda cam installs or is there something going on in the motor. Please advise! 👍🏼
That's normal for that cam, they come on real strong in that area. On the dyno graph it takes off hard in a climb with power production in that rpm range.
Not that l am aware of, the bikes do as the name implies and they start very easily. They make great power and they don't kill the valve train. S&S does a lot of R&D and they stand behind what they advertise.
I've got my bike getting s&s570 cams and powervision tune today to match up with my tbr comp s 2 into 1 and 15" arlen ness front rotor and rear rotors for braking power. Cannot wait!!!
That's exciting, it's gonna feel like a whole new bike when this is done! Your bike is gonna need those brakes after that cam! Let me know what numbers your bike cracks off!
Hey GixxerFoo, Im torn between the Woods & the S&S. I have a 14 SGS with Bassani true Dual, Arlen Ness Big Air sucker and an FP3 tuner. I love hot dogging it on the streets and I do a lot of freeway riding. Any recommendations between the 2? Also I noticed the S&S 570 cams are always followed by a letter. Which one is in this review? Thanks, keep up the good work!
For me with a touring bike I would have to with the Wood TW-222, that cam's power is just so broad and it works very well with the heavier bikes. Best thing to do though is really watch your riding habits to make sure the cam you like makes power in the RPM range you ride.
This is great to see, I have a 2015 SGS with a Arlen Ness Big Sucker, FP3, and Bassani 2 into 1. It pulls really well, but I just want to wake it up a little more. Looking at the TW 222 , and put some new shocks all the way around. Thanks for a great video, very helpful information!
I just ordered woods 222 cams and a set of fueling racing lifters. Also a set of Rock outs Rocker shaft inserts, Screaming Eagle high pro inner cam bearing set. Legend AXEO Suspension Fork Springs
So what is your thoughts on the andrews 57h cam? I was looking at the tw 555 and got suggested the 57h by a guy that use to dyno bike and by V&H as they said they had a lot of maps for them. One thing I like that the dyno guy told me about the 57h cam was it has a lot less valve train noise due to the it is ground on the back side of the lives.
Andrews actually makes the cams for Wood, but they are ground to Wood specs. Andrews 57H is a solid cam, you can't go wrong with Andrews or Wood. There are more maps out there for the Andrews as they seem to be much more well known.
For touring bikes the Wood TW-555 or the TW-777 are excellent choices, high torque and great horsepower. The TW-555 is a good choice if your keeping the heads stock and just running pipes, air cleaner and a good tune. Now TW-777 is a better option if you plan on doing some head work and bumping compression later on. Both cams are a straight bolt in so you won't have to worry about valve springs or anything else.
I can confirm the claims of this video. My bike was a bone stock 2012 flhtcu bought in 2018. The motor is a 103-I did a cam swap to the Andrews 57h with a tune and it is a totally different bike. It will compete with the rice rockets up to 80 mph. Great mid-high range power
Like he said how are you going to ride your bike and what kind of bike do you have. That zipper would be great for a touring bike but maybe not for your dyna Street hooligan so do the resurgence before you pick how you tune and let someone sell you something you're not going to like. There are many who will try to get you to buy something that doesn't fit your style of riding so do your own research then you can talk to friends dealer or tuner and have some idea if they are telling you the truth.
Well I made a appointment with my Harley dealer last week and they ordered me the wood TW 222 cam and the rest of the stuff I needed. I drop the bike off tomorrow, their working on it Tuesday and I’ll be picking it up Wednesday. I will give you a report after I ride it a bit.
Running them in my 16 street glide and love them I called and talked to a lot of engin builders around in nc and that was what they all about told me to run
The wood cam 522 I think you said. I have a 103 high output fat Bob Vance and Hines shorts the bigger breather. Although I would like to think about the SNS 570. I have a mic in easy Rider take a look if you wish 1991 April. John Tanner. I think you are the best at explaining everything and if you do make a mistake once in a great while it pops up right above you and says what you meant. You’re the best keep doing what you’re doing we all appreciate it
I recently purchased a 2006 CVO ultra with only 7k miles on it never been in the rain I'm the 3rd owner 😂 when the time comes I'll definitely go aftermarket cams with gear drive 86 the chain
I just ordered the fueling oe camplate /oil pump 525 reaper cams.....i was going to go gear drive but didnt pull the plug...i had the camplate hydraulic conversion kit..the runout was too much on my tc 88...then i swapped motors with a screamin eagle tc103 ....oil pump took a dump few fays ago...im excited to see how this setup will do me..!!
What cam set would you choose for your Twin Cam?
I went with the Woods 555 Power vision, Target tune Basanni 2-1 pipes. Very Happy
Went Andrews 57h in my 103b. No dyno numbers but night and day difference seat of the pants. Sounds much better than stock too which is a bonus.
Andrews 57 h
Heck yeah! What do you think of that target tune? It's a pretty hefty investment.
That's a really nice cam, Andrews came are high quality and they perform well. I love the lope of a high lift cam.
Put a .585 cam in my 103, it made a huge difference in power, did all the work myself...If you do it yourself, jusr make sure you use the quickie adjustable pushrods, easy job to do, and nothing but horsepower and enjoyment
Did you do any head work? I'm looking into .585 cams on my 103
@@ianholmburg3485did you have retune your bike?
I’m a H-D master mechanic with 27 yrs. Experience. I run the fueling 543 “freeway flyer” cams in my 95” TC. In my humble opinion these are the best street cams you can put in your Twin Cam. Look up the specs and I think you’ll agree! They supply the torque and horsepower where most people ACTUALLY ride and need it
What I’m running in my 95”. I’m considering the S&S 570 in my 2012 RG ultra
I may have said this before ,sorry if I'm repeating myself ,but this is just a out standing Channel.
Thank you, we appreciate it!
My 2014 103, I put a Woods 222 cam in. Could not be happier. I also did the heads. Power numbers are 116 lb/tq and 103 hp. I looked around and could not find a cam with better torque numbers down low. I love it.
I'm a huge fan of the Wood cam, they are arguably impossible to beat with what I have seen out there. That head work made a difference with that cam, especially pulling that kinda power and torque numbers!
Love the 222 in my 13 Road Glide! Woods is the only brand I recommend when people ask my opinion
Finally bit the bullet and went ahead with woods 222 cams, man what a difference it's an absolute pleasure to ride my 103 FLHTCU now, the idle lobes are just awesome.
Thanks, Gixer your video inspired me to go ahead with Woods 222.
*Woods 222 Knight Prawler Cams.
*Fuel Motto adjustable pushrods.
*Torrington full complement inner cam bearings.
*Jhonson Hylift Lifters.
*V&H FP3 Tuner.
*V&H Hi output slip Ons.
*SE Air Filter.
do you have dyno numbers? I'm ready to get the 222 also
Would you change anything if you did this again? Or is it good. .--i have a 2015 103 ho.. just wondering.. Phil
After thirty years and 250,000 miles riding Harley Davidson motorcycles I made the switch to BMWs. Loved my HDs, terrific bikes, I just wanted a different riding experience. I do wished I would have hung on to one of them as I miss the Harley experience. This channel has rekindled my interest in reacquiring a Big Twin, and I'm off to look at a 2013 low-mile Road King in the morning. I'll keep all 3 'Beemers', and with the addition of FLHR, I'm thinking I'll have my bases covered.
Thank you for helping me decide on the 103 ci GixerFoo - and yes, I'll be installing the Wood TW222 cam as per your suggestion.
Owning and riding a Harley Davidson is fun, and I am looking forward to doing it all over again.
With a Wood cam it really take advantage of that bit larger displacement of the 103!
@@GixxerFoo Purchased the Road King today. :o)
I put cyclorama 570-2 cams I'm my 2012 streetglide I bought new. Replaced everything in cam chest at 56k. 98.7 h.p. 116 ftlbs of tourque. Vance and Hines pipes. Great tune. 31 degrees of timing. Had to put in screaming eagle clutch with heavy spring. Didn't touch the top end. It's amazing. Good manners down low and nuts going up top. Valve springs rattle if you lug it. Still uses very little oil. Would like to do better valve springs. It's running so good I don't want to mess with it. Oh screaming eagle cam plate and oil pump. Better oil pressure now. Fueling lifters.
Well it’s a done deed. The wood TW-222 made a world of difference. I’ve went through a couple tanks of gas and I am very happy with the change. The map that they sent me from Vance and Hines was great. Not only more power and torque but I believe the engine runs much cooler, I could feel the difference.
Is it Louder than before ?
So did you just add the cams to your tune to get it running and send Vance and Hines the map to tune if for you ? If so how did it run with the FP3 tune before V&H sent the Map
Did you have to change to adjustable pushrods
So I did the Woods 222 cams, 26000 miles 2015 road king. Replaced the cam tensioners, INSTALLED screeming eagle cam bearings, fueling racing lifters, rocker lockers. EXISTING V&H FP3 . V&H sent me a custom tune. Runs awesome. Just swapped out the big city thunder QQ baffles for the monster baffles. More logical for my bike as the QQ baffles do not fit the correct way in my duel exhaust. Going to have it Dino tuned for 400.00 and call it good. Also got the legend rear shocks and axeo front cartridges. OH MY GOD. Power and comfort. The bike I dreamed of getting the first time I bought it. There was wear on the cam tensioners. Also the Manufacturer put the lifters in backward, the oil slot was facing the wrong way on one head. Way to go, Harley Davidson.
took mine to a dyno and got 8 more HP and 9 more ftb or torque over the V&H map
Checkout the S&S MR 103 cam. I had this installed 2 weeks ago in the easy-start gear drive version. It made 108 torque staying above 105 from 2200-4200, & made 98hp with K&N filter & Freedom 2-2 pipes. Originally the bike made 70hp a massive 40% increase in power from a stock 103cu with the right cam change...
Those are impressive numbers, especially maintaining torque like that through that range of RPM. Cams are an awesome upgrade for any otherwise stock engine with exhaust, air cleaner and tune.
@@GixxerFoo that thing just dropped right in with no other parts?
Thank you
Thanks. You know anything about the woods 222 cam?
For the 117ci SE kit
After watching this video and gaining a better understanding of what goes into choosing the right cam, I’m more than pleased with my decision. I didn’t want to tear down the motor or go bug bore kit. So I went with the Woods 222, and the bike dyno’d right on the money 112tq and 94hp. What a difference, the bike pulls through all the gears the torque is amazing. You don’t need horse power when you have torque. Even the guys at the speed shop smiled when he said for a “baby” cam he was impressed
It's amazing what just a straight bolt in wood cam will do, those are some awesome numbers! Everyone gets hung up on horsepower but the real story is torque, that's what makes it fun.
Did the cam made your bike Louder ?
@@julienbourassa253 I don't believe they will make the bike any louder. They may change the idle sound a bit but for the better with the high lift.
Thats my choice also.Hope it wakes my 2014 Pig up also.
Just had the 222 installed. Holy cow that thing wants to pull the front wheel every time I shift.
I hope my motor stays together. 🛵
Nice! With 222 it shouldn't be a problem, it's got a nice ramp.angle and it's not brutal on the valve train.
My pick is the Wood cam.....I ride all rpm ranges but stay in the curves more than on the freeway. Torque is what matters to me as it's what moves the bike...Thanks for the vid...I will have those cams.
Good choice! I like the Wood personally, it just has more power everywhere without the dips and valleys in the curve other cams have. Some people complain they are noisy, which they can since they have a lot of overlap to hold the valves open longer to get that power.
Something to keep in mind: if you put serious mileage on your bike you may be better off planning on adding a big bore kit rather than cams alone as that provides a perfect opportunity to rebuild the engine since you’ll be in there anyway. If you have kids who are age-appropriate for doing this work it’s also a great bonding opportunity with your kids. Something I know many of us are often struggling with finding anyway.
I live in AZ and run a power vision on what started life as a 96cu, so I’m acutely aware of the risk of cylinder head overheating issues ruining the temper on the aluminum, effectively requiring me to at least pull the heads to have them tested (if I could find inexpensive takeoff heads with automatic compression releases I have done that instead - and on that note if anyone is in at position to sell I’m actively interested).
Due to some health issues I’ve had defer a lot of this work by a few years anyway (hence the necro-comment), allowing me to combine a lot of this work into a single build, otherwise my advice is to ensure you don’t overlook the fiddly bits as it’s the perfect time to combine cams with a new cam plate, upgraded pump, and trued crankshaft (and replace that useless compensator of course).
As for which cam to pick: call Fuel Moto, talk to any of their techs (they have a bunch who are competent, explain your actual riding conditions and they’ll set you up with the right cam for you. They all understand this isn’t a just a numbers race but a matter of finding the right gear for you specifically
I put in the S&S 583 bolt in Cam in my 2012 Softail Slim. Man it's got power everywhere any RPM any Gear . Love it !
That's awesome! It's amazing what a cam swap will do in these bikes!
I love the S&S 583 cams. Great choice!
I put Woods 222 in my 103 when it had 50,000 miles on it. I live in the mountain west and high plains area. I also freshened up everything in the cam chest. I couldn’t be happier with the performance.
Being in the mountains you need that grunt!
Thank you for explaining it right to the point and showing the graphs! Best cam video! I think I’m going w Woods 222
Did I get the woods 222? How do u like it?
Did u get it?
Totally agree
I ride a 2015 Road glide special. I bought it from Classic HD of Reading Pa. As the story goes...one of the owners had the bike built up for a "tail of the dragon" ride he wanted to go on. Beside a bunch of other upgrades, as the story goes, it has Andrews 57 cams installed. More apparent, it had a D&D 2 into 1 and a Performance machine freeflow intake...and I it was tuned (and I still have) the orange (outlawed) HD tuner it was tuned with originally and I also have a V&H fuelpak 3 that I bought to make adjustments to the tune when I made a change.
The bike, as purchased, was insanely loud at first. I bought the quiet baffle from D&D but that only quieted in down so much. With the original baffle, it will easily peg the speedometer ...pulling hard all the way. With the quiet (louvered) baffle, it will hit 120 but it takes a bit longer ( I have a 3 mile strip of smooth highway I test it out on a few times per week in the summer)...
My only complaint about the cam is that it's tougher to ride slow and I think it makes the bike loud (I've changed the pipes to a complete V&H dual system but that only decreased the power but it was still loud). With the perforated baffle it screams, it's plenty strong with the louvered baffle too...but it's still really loud.
Is there a way to make a 103 quiet but pretty powerful and nice to ride at slower cruising speeds. I love my bikes power. It'll run with nearly anything but it's loud and a choppy when I'd like to go slow and quiet.
Thanks for posting, I have owned my 103 for a few years and I'm ready to tap in! I had a VH Big Radius and Arleness breather. Upgrading to Bassani B4, but after this review, I am with you on Woods 222...torn between S&S 570...but you help pinpoint from 20 options to 2. Thanks for the vid!!
Glad I could help, thank you for watching!
I have a 2013 Wide Glide 103 with Wood-222. It made it a new bike. I had a touch of head work, but nothing crazy, and I can basically can pick up rpms in any gear and pass without having to shift . You would have to lag the bike so bad you're doing damage for this cam to not be immediate screaming power on tap. It's perfect for a dyna which is much lighter than the bigger bikes and it's pulling the baggers extremely impressively.
Woods 222...I have a 2016 Road Glide Special with the 103HO...this help me out tremendously
I have the D&D 2into1...Screamin Eagle Cone filter...brand new Transmission and Screamin Eagle Assist Slip Clutch basket...Screamin Eagle Tenioner...Man-O-War compensator...I should be a beast with the Woods 222 Cam 💪🏾🤴🏾
That 222 will wake your bike up and it will feel like a brand new machine!
I have the S&S 570 in my’15 Ultra & absolutely love it. It really woke up this heavy bike. Also changed exhaust to d&d 2-1 fatcat and big sucker air cleaner and of course tuner. Is a blast to ride.
You've got a really good combination there, D&D exhaust perform very well! That S&S cam is a great cam for the touring bikes, you get that power right where you need it!
@@GixxerFoo I was considering the S&S 551. Any thoughts on that?
Please do more on the 96”. I’d like to learn more about tuners and cost to tune also. Great videos!!
No problem, l have a lot of feedback on cs for the 96. I do have a video on the FuelPak and the Power Vison. I've worked with both units, both have highs and lows.
Second this. Cams for 96
@@GixxerFoo I would love cam and any other upgrade advice you have for a 96ci too. I have a 2010 street bob and I want to wake it up.
I would also like some info on the 96, my rocker c needs a kick in the ass !
Cams are a great start, there's some aftermarket big bore kits l'll be covering that will really make them sing.
I have a '09 with a 103, SE heads, forged flat top pistons, Feuling cam chest kit with 525 cams, SE Race tuner. Runs great with great torque that doesn't quit.
I'm building a 103 and you just convinced me to go with a wood's cam!! appreciate you brodee....
That Wood is an awesome all around cam, especially in the 103 and it bolt in too!
Just did the tw 222 cam in a 103 here in ny its away at the dealer for the winter cant wait to get it back. Only reason i went with the woods 222 is because of this guy. Thank u gixxerfoo
Not a problem at all, it's an excellent all around cam!
@@GixxerFoo what size woods cam should I use?
It's tough to beat that TW-222, it produces serious power with the stock compression and stock heads.
Finally!..Someone showing some love to the Twin Cams. Really appreciate the content. It's fantastic. Wondering if you could do a video of bottom end crankshaft servicing. Does it make sense to true up/bullet proof your bottom end crankshaft and crankcase before getting into a big top end build? Cheers.
If you were doing a complete case split rebuild l would do it at that time. If you're doing a top end kit for the street l wouldn't tear it down to do that. If you're racing it or you ride them really hard l could see tearing it down for that. I appreciate the support on the channel!
Sir,
Thank you for this video. I almost upgraded my 2011 ultra limited with screaming eagle cams. After watching this video, I went for the wood performance TW222 cam shaft. This was the best thing I cohld have done. My harley had the screaming eagle stage 1 with RC excalibur exhaust pipes. The sound bevame deeper and louder with the TW222 cam shafts. I also change the cam plate and oil pump with s&s brand. Now, she roars and move with a purpose. Thanks again!!
That's awesome to hear! Sounds like you went all out on it and did it right too!
@@GixxerFoo And I forgot to mention that it already had a variable press clutch. Literally had to re learn how to manage the frictiom zone for slow turns. Absolutely love it!!!!!!!
I had a Dave Macky 575 cam with S&S lifters and a racing tunner. In my 103 twin cam. At 4000 rpm it feels like its got kicked in the ass and really pulls very hard to 6 grand. I love it. Do not have to drop a gear on freeway to pass. Pour on the throttle and it puls hard in 6th gear at 2300 rpm.
That's awesome! It's amazing what just a cam swap will do on those motors!
I was happy to see you focus on TQ and how and what you ride. A cam increases power but more importantly, it shapes power to your riding style. I have S&S 551 cams in my 2013 ultra limited because I almost always ride with a passenger and with all three bags stuffed to capacity. It's not rev-happy but my TQ is over 100 before 2,000 RPMs and carries all the way out to over 4,000. I would have liked to try the S&S 583 but I went with my dyno tuners advice since I feel he know much more than I do.
That's the perfect cam for how you ride your bike. Especially riding two up loaded down, you don't have to hammer on the bike hard.
@@GixxerFoo I no longer need to downshift when in the mountains which is where I spend the majority of my time riding.
That's awesome, up there you want all the torque you can get on those roads.
I have a Woods TW 555 on my 96 twin cam, klock werks exhaust pipes, K&N Venturi air cleaner and it's been Dyno tuned @ 97hp and 102 torque.
I did install the S&S 585 Easy start cam and wow what a boost in power! Also the starter turns over the engine much easier than it did with the factory cam! You wont go wrong installing the 585! You will unleash the power that’s in your bike!!
S&S has a real winner with the easy start cams, eliminates the need for compression releases in most cases.
The 585 easy start cam is one of the cams I’m thinking about putting in my 2014 Heritage. What kind of hp and tq are you getting and where on the power band do you feel it?
@@anthonysantora4924 100hp with my set up and 104ftpbs torque
Thanks for your reply, going tomorrow to set up an appointment and I’ll use your info to make my final decision.
So your telling me that my 2016 limited low has in it already has a 511 lift in it already cool thank you for the knowledge
Been looking at the Woods NW222 and I think this vid sealed it for me. It puts the power right where I will use it.
That cam just has power all over the chart, it beats some of the cams out there that target top end only without losing the bottom end. It's pricey but well worth the extra money!
CycleRama CR570 is the best drop-in cam for a 103”...!!! It has even more area under the torque curve than TW222! It has gobs of low and midrange torque and will still let the engine rev to a higher RPM! Wes Brown has it figured out and their cams kick ass, take a look! Builders love it also and people with 222’s love the CR570 more......
I chose the S&S MR103 easy start cams, a .585 lift, the MR stands for medium range. It seems to be a good match. The advisor at S&S assured me I don't need to change anything like valve springs or port and polish the heads($950 for that!). The dynamometer showed 98hp at 110 lbs of torque, not bad. I think people overlook S&S due to them being so well known and probably think they are too old school and conservative. There R&D probably is top notch and are truly a proven company. I also changed to an S&S cam plate and oil pump setup, and have the V&H FP3 tuner.
That's awesome, S&S makes some awesome products. You really scored some killer numbers with that cam!
Did you have to grind the crank boses for clearance do to the 585 lift? I went to install my S&S ms103 on 4.8.2022 and the cam lob hits the bose on the crank. Need to grind some off, not exactly what I wanted to do.
Do you still like the MR103 cams mate? If you had to do again would you select them? Did you stay with standard compression
@@michaelbrooker1763 Yes Michael, the MR103 is a medium range cam, .585 if I am not mistaken is the highest lift you
can install with stock pistons. No doubt I made a good choice.
@@pu1fjb0 was worried it might be too soft on take off is all. Do you find slow to take off?
I went with the Bobby Wood TW222. Mr. Wood is quite an interesting person, with a great story of how he got a Lear Jet out of Columbia.
I have a 2013 FLHTK Ultra Limited with the 103, after watching this video, I went with the S&S 570 cams and It was perfect for those cruising and romping on it here and there. It also gave me exactly the lope I was looking for! Appreciate the video as it did help me choose which cam to go with!
Damn...i keep heading woods 777..woods 777....i originally last year bought the s&s 574....s&s big bore screaming eagle crank n a power vision tuner...well . Got screwed over on the whole build and ended up trading all that for the screaming eagle 103 t.c.... now im fumping the money in the fueling kit with 525 reaper ..n then seeing the woods numbers making me wisdom life right now... good vid
Wood makes a hell of a cam, but they are noisy due to the ramp angles and how fast they nose off on the lobes. The Feuling cams makes excellent power and they aren't noisy so that's a serious benefit.
I run the fueling 543 cams and I love them but it helps to have a 95 inch from an 88 inch with 10.5 to 1 comp. ported heads ,a Thunder header, a 42 Mikuni ,and a 6 speed. my bike is an 02
Oh definitely the 95 and some compression really goes a long way, that shorter stroke makes a nice stop light to stop light motor.
I thought 9.6.1 compression is more than enough for those cams. You have a 88ci?
Maybe in the future I might consider a cam for my 103. If so, and based on this good info you bring and my riding, the Woods is my choice too. Thanks for the video!!!
I love these videos although been riding Harleys for a while now I learn stuff here that you never see else where
Thank you! Really appreciate it, l wanted to create a channel where all the things l searched high and low for are all in one place.
I appreciate it! I enjoy being able to do this, it took me forever back in the day to dig up information.
installing the S&S 570, cam plate and oil pump tonight 2015 103 HO street glide special bought new 36,000 miles. Looks like new inside finishing tomorrow. Cant wait to light it up
It's gonna be a nice and day difference from the stock cam!
I went with Star racing Tork Star 577 for my stock 103.
577 Lift, 32 IVC, 224 x 248
TDC Lift .120 x.166
Going with a good open air cleaner and the d&d fatcat exhaust. Can’t wait to see how it does compared to the great cams you reviewed
That's a hot cam and it should really wake up your 103, especially with the exhaust you plan on using! That's a damn good exhaust system!
I had cyclorama 570-2 put in
98.7 h.p. 116 ftlbs tourque. Freaking awesome. 6th gear pulls like 4rth gear. Still as good manners like stock cams at 2k rpm
Awesome cam I had this same came installed wow! TORKSTAR 577
I bought my 2015 SGS 103 twin cam used and it has the D&D Fat cat 2 into one the Screaming eagle heavy breather and the Power vision tuner. I do not know what cams are in it but the local Harley shop was doing free dyno runs "so they could tell you what they could sell you to make more power" I took a chance and when I was shown the numbers was surprised . it made 88HP and 104 ftlb torque. the Service guy shook his head and said I can't do much for you with out more money than you will want to spend "He was right". I wish I knew what cams are in it but the one good thing is my brother has the same bike except he has the Harley tuner and stock cams. I walk him hard on the highway roll ons to 110 MPH. No matter what gear he is in. I was thinking it was a 255 but think it must be more aggressive than that. Thanks for the info!
That sounds about right for a dyno day at a dealer, the D&D is a very strong exhaust too. I am really surprised it was 88HP, have you had it tuned on a Dyno or did you use a canned map with autotune?
@@GixxerFoo started with a canned map but have run the auto tune a couple of times. I need to find the dyno sheet.
I would imagine there is a lot of power left in there that a good tuner could pull out on a dyno. A qualified dyno tuner can take a stock bike and find some hidden power.
Love your videos man, they really help me educate myself on my 88 and help me decide on my upgrades, stay golden! 😎👌🏽
Thank you, l appreciate it! Great to hear the videos are helpful!
Installed Zipper RS 528 in my 2014 103HO,Wow what a difference in power I have now.
Zippers makes a dang good cam, I can imagine it was like a whole new bike!
I'd definitely go aftermarket on my 110se. I just haven't decided on the cam yet for my slim s. Hope you make a future video on cams for 110s. Always great videos watching from Upstate Ny
I’m thinking about zippers 587 cams.
All these cams will fit right into a 110, they will really take advantage of the increased displacement.
That's a nice cam, it's hard to go wrong with Zippers!
TMan 555 or S&S 541
96ci, air cleaner, TM tuner, catless headers 4.5” slip ons w/baffles. I ride within 2000-4500 rpm
Thank you for confirming my Woods cam choice, I was on the limb until seeing your assessment and this winter this is the way to go for me
Wood cams really run strong, all their cams pull really hard and gain over stock in every rpm range. A lot of independent shops that develop their own big bore packages include a Wood cam.
I am running with V&H
Power Duals and Monster Rounds, SE Open Air filter, and I recently installed the Woods Performance TW-222 Camshafts and SE Cam Plate and oil pump. I have FP3 tuner with provided map with hardware installed and really enjoy the power and torque today!
Wood cams sound awsom
It produces some serious power all over the rpm range, they did a hell of job in design.
Putting Red Shift 527 for more torque on my 103. Full Stage 2. Hoping I’ll like it.
It will be like a new machine, it will wake up for sure!
Do both the 88 &96 inch. If you make them, we will watch them.
👍 l will get on it, l wasn't sure how much interest there would be on those two motors. There's been quite a bit!
Great Info! I’ve been Enlightened! Lol, Definitely going this route, Wood or S&S 👍🏼👍🏼
Great info.
Woods is my option.
Cheers.
Thank you! Thay Wood cam is really impressive, it gains all over the power band.
Just got my first Harley 2012 103 street glide from this video looks like I’ll go with a wood cam to upgrade since almost all my miles are highway 😎
Nice video, you've shown plenty of cam choices and HP/TQ figures. Personally I love the fueling 574, pulls harder that a 15yr old boy after a Taylor Swift concert.
😄😂 nice... lol yeah it really depends on which power curve you like best and fits the way you ride. Peak horsepower and torque aren't all there is to choosing a cam. If you go with the peak numbers alone you risk losing out on a lot of power where you ride the most.
do you have chain drive? and are you getting the full potential off these reaper 574s? im looking for the same cam, but dont know what parts i need and also what parts for light head work, clutch and throttle body . i have a stock 2017 dyna 103 fxdb. im going for gear drive
I just got a 2014 road king with the 103ho and a set of ho slip ons with a fp3 tune...and it's a big power and torque jump for me at the moment..I came from an 01 Rk with a stage 1 ..so I'm gonna just wait till I "grow " out of this set up and then I will go to the woods cam...from what I heard you say i like what it does.
It's a really impressive all around cam in my opinion, it gains way down low over stock and carries up into the RPM range. Plus with your FP3 you'll be able to easily get a tune for the cam.
@@GixxerFoo thx...I will remember this
FP3 works really well with cams, Vance & Hines tech support will help you get dialed in if you have any issues too.
This is a great channel, great job.
Thank you! I appreciate that, l really wanted to create a channel where all that information is in one place.
GixxerFoo,
I'm glad you made this video.
I have a 2016 103HO, and I've been contemplating swapping out the cam chest.
I've put close to 40,000 mile on it. It hammers pretty good, and if you need to evade, pass, etc... you can grab a gear and hammer on it. It has a great rpm range.
I'm just looking to give my bike some more practical torque, and horsepower without compromising reliability, rather, increased intervals of maintenance.
If you've built "hot rod" bikes you know what I mean.
I was thinking of the SE585, the only one for my bike by SE, or Fueling's 543, or 574, or the 525 kit.
But, since watching your video I think I'll nichs the SE cam. For me they're mostly on par, yeah you gain a little, but the cost outweighs the benefit. You're not getting enough bang for your buck.
The Fueling kits are nice and cheaper than S&S kits. I'm not knocking S&S by any means. I've been a customer of theirs many times.
One reason I'm considering Fueling is that they give you a cam description as to how it will function, and its rpm range. The same can be said about the whole kit.
That's helpful information.
S&S's website, their product description doesn't go in depth like Fueling.
I don't think S&S regularly maintains their website, or they want you to go to a dealer.
Your mileage may vary.
Then again, I just may eat crow, and have the local Harley dealer install the SE585, SE tappets, the SE cam plate and oil pump, SE adjustable push rods, etc...
It depends on how thirsty I am to swap out the cam chest.
Regardless of whether I do it myself or let the dealer do it, I have to get the ECM programmed at the dealer.
I don't have the software, or else I'd do it.
By the way, If you know of an alternate way to adjust my ECM let me know.
Best Regards,
If you're going Feuling, I would highly suggest FuelMoto to order the cam and the Power Vision tuner. The Power Vision will give you a much better tune right out of the box. Likely a lot cheaper or right on par with what Harley would charge you, either way it's going to be a lot better tune than the dreaded "download" at the dealer. Best part is ordering from Fuel Moto, you give them the specs for what your bike already has done to the motor and for the cam you want to swap to. They will preload the map for your setup onto the Power Vision and the bike will run pretty well right out of the box. If you decide to really dial it in on a Dyno, Power Vision is what most all Dyno Tuners use and they can tune it for even more power.
Hey bud. Great video. Helped me choose a cam for my 2013 103 Street Glide. Leaning toward the S&S but any of these cams is a huge bump in power. Almost hard to believe. MP
Thank you! Just a cam swap with a good aftermarket cam, exhaust and tuned on a dyno they make more power than a entire Screamin Eagle big bore kit. S&S makes a nice cam and I really like that easy start option which eliminates the need for compression releases. S&S even uses the easy start cams in their high horse, high compression crate engines.
fueling 525, have one in my RK.95" at the time they didn't have a 550 just 525,575, 605 good cam and does make a difference.
Cams can really produce some power, a lot of times that's all anyone needs.
Definitely the wood bolt in!! I had no idea that just a cam switch could make such a big difference in HP and torque!! I have a 96" twin cam with a stage 1 set up. Does WOOD make a good drop in cam for my 2011 wide glide? Thanks for the great video brother!!!! 🤘🤘
Oh yeah the Wood 222 is an awesome cam for the 96 and it doesn't require any springs or anything.
I wish I saw your video prior to buying SE Camshafts. Wood Cams seems to be the one to use. Really good video and details. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
You’re the real deal tiger 🐅
259e cams, ported heads, 10.5 pistons 105hp 110tq
That's some solid numbers, getting that torque over 100 makes a huge difference!
@@GixxerFoo one thing to note: high lift cam = top end noise. it is what it is, a bolt in cam won't cause the chatter
S&S 570 is good but I'm rocking a S&S 585 on my build 88CI punched to 107CI
Holy crap a 107 with an 88 and a 585 is gonna be mean! What crank are you running?
@@GixxerFoo 4"stroke Dark horse with Carrillo rods and CP pistons
Very nice! I bet that bike hauls ass!
@@GixxerFoo it should
Just bought a 2014 Dyna. Did pay $1700 for 3 year warranty but should cover everything else. That wood cam is gonna be my first mod!! The bike already has V&H pipes, windscreen, quality bars, and tuned ofc.
Wood makes an awesome cam! I'd just make sure it doesn't interfere with your warranty though.
Would you please make videos like this for both the 88 and 96 and maybe even touch on the S&S crate engines
Will do, l have been wanting to cover the aftermarket engines available out there. Sometimes that's a better option than a rebuild.
@@GixxerFoo I was looking into that also....The T111 S@S crate motor will bolt right into my 2012 FatBob
Leaning towards the Wood 222, seems like a great all-around cam.
It's a very well rounded cam, they are a bit noisier than the other cams but the power output is worth it.
Awesome information, thank you!
I appreciate it, thank you for watching!
Did the Wood Performance Knight Prowler TW-222 Cams change-out and I'm delighted with the results. Thanks for the information GixxerFooooooooooo!~
Great to hear! That is one awesome cam that will truly transform a bike!
If I install a wood performance tw-222 cam. Would I have to upgrade my clutch on my 103 HO engine.
Not unless you're beating on the bike, if you're just cruising with a short burst to feel the power you're good.
I was going to put a cam in my 2010 Harley 96ci with a cvo255. Thinking of changing my mind pending on your review of the 96 cam swap.
The 255 is a good mid range torque cam, Harley cams aren't bad but the aftermarket cams make some impressive gains.
SE 259 cam produces a lot more HP with more compression...it needs 10.5 to 1
Yeah that's very true, it's the same cam that comes in the SE high compression stage kit. It really makes some power when you bump that compression up.
Gday from Australia, gotta say, really enjoy your content and now shopping for a tw-222 woods cam. I'm no racer but every now and then like the blast of a torque monster.
I've got a 2015 Road king classic Rushmore High Output with Big Screaming eagle slip ons, Big sucker air intake, Power commander 5 and Cat-less power headers. Screaming eagle performance spark plugs and wires, (Plug Leads). I think the tw-222 Wood cam and a new map will really suit what Im after. Fingers crossed.
Look forward to more content. Cheers! Happy new year mate. regards Craig
Thank you! Being down under you get to ride all year round, right now I am looking out the window at snow on the ground. Sounds like you've got a great setup to build on, the 222 is really hard to beat for the all around performance. That cam in my opinion blows its competition away and you don't lose bottom end for top end or vice versa. It will feel like a brand new bike with a cam swap!
Hey GixxerFoo, I went with the Woods 222 cam. Bike is running strong and feels good only thing I noticed is the RPM’s shoot up really quick 1st -3rd! Almost immediately need to shift 1st gear! Kinda need to speed shift. I do run the bike hard. Just wanted to know if that’s normal for these kinda cam installs or is there something going on in the motor. Please advise! 👍🏼
That's normal for that cam, they come on real strong in that area. On the dyno graph it takes off hard in a climb with power production in that rpm range.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I’m doing a S&S 103-107 big bore kit. Hoping for some good numbers when they’re done.
Hey GixxerFoo, what's your take on the S&S 'Easy Start' cams? Any downsides with these?
Not that l am aware of, the bikes do as the name implies and they start very easily. They make great power and they don't kill the valve train. S&S does a lot of R&D and they stand behind what they advertise.
I've got my bike getting s&s570 cams and powervision tune today to match up with my tbr comp s 2 into 1 and 15" arlen ness front rotor and rear rotors for braking power. Cannot wait!!!
That's exciting, it's gonna feel like a whole new bike when this is done! Your bike is gonna need those brakes after that cam! Let me know what numbers your bike cracks off!
Hey GixxerFoo, Im torn between the Woods & the S&S. I have a 14 SGS with Bassani true Dual, Arlen Ness Big Air sucker and an FP3 tuner. I love hot dogging it on the streets and I do a lot of freeway riding. Any recommendations between the 2? Also I noticed the S&S 570 cams are always followed by a letter. Which one is in this review? Thanks, keep up the good work!
For me with a touring bike I would have to with the Wood TW-222, that cam's power is just so broad and it works very well with the heavier bikes. Best thing to do though is really watch your riding habits to make sure the cam you like makes power in the RPM range you ride.
This is great to see, I have a 2015 SGS with a Arlen Ness Big Sucker, FP3, and Bassani 2 into 1.
It pulls really well, but I just want to wake it up a little more. Looking at the TW 222 , and put some new shocks all the way around.
Thanks for a great video, very helpful information!
I just ordered woods 222 cams and a set of fueling racing lifters. Also a set of Rock outs Rocker shaft inserts, Screaming Eagle high pro inner cam bearing set. Legend AXEO Suspension Fork Springs
So what is your thoughts on the andrews 57h cam? I was looking at the tw 555 and got suggested the 57h by a guy that use to dyno bike and by V&H as they said they had a lot of maps for them. One thing I like that the dyno guy told me about the 57h cam was it has a lot less valve train noise due to the it is ground on the back side of the lives.
Andrews actually makes the cams for Wood, but they are ground to Wood specs. Andrews 57H is a solid cam, you can't go wrong with Andrews or Wood. There are more maps out there for the Andrews as they seem to be much more well known.
thanks gixxer foo i love hearing about the 103
Hello I have 2014 103ho ultra limited what cam would you recommend?
For touring bikes the Wood TW-555 or the TW-777 are excellent choices, high torque and great horsepower. The TW-555 is a good choice if your keeping the heads stock and just running pipes, air cleaner and a good tune. Now TW-777 is a better option if you plan on doing some head work and bumping compression later on. Both cams are a straight bolt in so you won't have to worry about valve springs or anything else.
I watched your videos and decided to do a upgrade 583c cam,plate, oil pump, lifters and adjustable push rods I think it was a good choice for me
Hell yeah! That's what I like to hear! You won't regret the upgrades!
I can confirm the claims of this video. My bike was a bone stock 2012 flhtcu bought in 2018. The motor is a 103-I did a cam swap to the Andrews 57h with a tune and it is a totally different bike. It will compete with the rice rockets up to 80 mph. Great mid-high range power
Thanks for sharing
Wood the 103 HO, 🤔be the Rushmore bikes..🙄
The HO had a .511 lift cam, and the 103 l think had something like .486.
I believe so
i have 2007 electra glide classic 96 cubic inch with s&s 551 cam, I'm very happy especially on highway. 👍👍
It's amazing what a good cam will do for those motors even with stock heads and compression.
Like he said how are you going to ride your bike and what kind of bike do you have. That zipper would be great for a touring bike but maybe not for your dyna Street hooligan so do the resurgence before you pick how you tune and let someone sell you something you're not going to like. There are many who will try to get you to buy something that doesn't fit your style of riding so do your own research then you can talk to friends dealer or tuner and have some idea if they are telling you the truth.
You gotta read that fine print too, some are cams are designed for a heavy touring bike. You stick that in a light Dyna and it's gonna suck bad!
Well I made a appointment with my Harley dealer last week and they ordered me the wood TW 222 cam and the rest of the stuff I needed. I drop the bike off tomorrow, their working on it Tuesday and I’ll be picking it up Wednesday. I will give you a report after I ride it a bit.
S&s mr103
That's a strong cam, but really difficult to find data on.
Running them in my 16 street glide and love them I called and talked to a lot of engin builders around in nc and that was what they all about told me to run
Have you dyno tuned it and pulled any numbers?
@@GixxerFoo made 100 hp 112 torque with air cleaner tune and d&d boss fatcat
D&D makes a damn good exhaust, it makes some power!
A video on the 110!!! Please!! So interesting and makes things very easy to understand... Give me a 110 Cam video please!!
The wood cam 522 I think you said. I have a 103 high output fat Bob Vance and Hines shorts the bigger breather. Although I would like to think about the SNS 570. I have a mic in easy Rider take a look if you wish 1991 April. John Tanner. I think you are the best at explaining everything and if you do make a mistake once in a great while it pops up right above you and says what you meant. You’re the best keep doing what you’re doing we all appreciate it
I recently purchased a 2006 CVO ultra with only 7k miles on it never been in the rain I'm the 3rd owner 😂 when the time comes I'll definitely go aftermarket cams with gear drive 86 the chain
I went with the S&S 551GE and very happy included V&H power duals with Torque 450 slip ons also Vance and Hines
That's a really good combo, what tuner are you running with your setup?
I just ordered the fueling oe camplate /oil pump 525 reaper cams.....i was going to go gear drive but didnt pull the plug...i had the camplate hydraulic conversion kit..the runout was too much on my tc 88...then i swapped motors with a screamin eagle tc103 ....oil pump took a dump few fays ago...im excited to see how this setup will do me..!!
That's a really good setup! Sounds like you're doing everything right on this build!
IM VERY HAPPY AN IMPREST WITH THE BOBWOOD TW 222 HANDS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!
That is awesome! It's a great cam and Bob Wood knows what he's doing, Andrews grinds them so you know there is no quality issues.
Definitely the woods...i have an 09 dyna with a 96" thats getting cams this winter....great info and video ...thanx
Right on! That's gonna really wake that bike up, just a cam alone does so much for a stock bike.
My 2016 street glide special is in the shop now….I went with the S&S 570 cam swap. Hope it produces the power I’m looking for.
I have the fueling 525 in my 15 road glide ...works great
I like those 525's, they are easy on the valve train and they put the power right were we ride the most on the street.