Great vid man. Liked and Subbed. Been waiting for this one. To get a 96" to over 100tq and very near on 100hp just out of just a Stage 2 cam swap is VERY impressive! For me though if I was going to go to the expense of new pistons and jugs, I'd personally not muck around and go straight to the top shelf 110" SE drop ins. But then you'd need a whole different cam set again. I'm on a Rocker C 96" Stage 1 with 2 into 2 Freedom Amendments.
Do you have any info on SE-211 cams? I have them in my 07 street bob I recently purchased with 103 kit, a/c and full exhaust. Just not much info out there on them. Seem like an old product. Great videos by the way.
I have to say something here, and I am trying to help people out, and prevent them from throwing their money away! You do not need a ton of horsepower just to " keep up" with people. After you get a good feel for the bike, and got some miles under your belt, you will more than likely want more than the factory horsepower of either the Twin Cam 88, and 96/103. But you do not need to break the bank unless you are planning on like racing. A good free flowing exhaust, high flow air cleaner, a good tuner or jet kit, and the right pair of either S & S or the Wood Cams, and you have some decent power. You will have enough where it passes well, has good throttle response, and can keep up with the pack. But yet it won't be so powerful where it feels like it will run out from under you.
You are right about that!! I actually do just fine, considering the fact that I don't ride my bike, like a bat out hell style anyway. I just enjoy a simple ride, and it only has 25,000 miles on it right now.
I had a 2011 Fatboy with the 96 in it. I upgraded the cams to the Andrews 48H. I went with the Vance & Hines Big Shots. I upgraded the intake/air cleaner as well. Which one it was exactly, I can't remember. After a dyno tune, it REALLY woke it up and also let it run cooler. On the way home from the tuner, I was at a light. I let out the clutch and was not paying attention as I gave it some throttle. The handlebars almost ran away from me! I miss that bike!
I bought a 2011 Fat Boy early this year. I came to this video because I didn’t know if the 96 was worth tuning or if I should buy a bike with a M8. It sounds like I’ll be tuning the 96 after reading this comment
On my 2007 Dyna 96" I went with the Feuling 543 Reaper cam and SuperTrapp Supermeg pipes. I already had a K&N a/c. My gas mileage was bad. I travel a lot. I tried different tunes with my FP3 tuner but it didn't help much. I recently had it dyno'd with a Power Vision map. It made 95.48 hp and 104.93 torque. My freeway mpg is 47.
what I have learned over the years with all HD engines from a knuckle to TC or a sporty is that they dont FLOW well. The HP is hidden in the heads sort of. Have it put on a flow bench. Then couple that with cams or Carb or EFI remap. and exhaust. You can easily make 100 plus HP this way. No need for a bigger engine. If ya got a nice ol skool though Strokers are fun until they blow up. And they do blow up. In the old days there were no big bore kits ect. We made stroker plates. Chamfered the bottom end to accept the longer rods without having them slam into the cases. Then there were guys like Ron Trock putting big twin top ends on ironhead bottoms! Shovesters. pansters. knucksters. Back then 89 inch engines were HUGE.
That's the way to go is just get the air flowing through the motor. They push these big inch kits today but a hot 103 will crush a lot of the big bore engines.
Appreciate your videos my man!! 96ci FLHRC and I went with the Wood TW6-6. Heavy breather, V&H X and slip ons, Fuel Pak custom tune. Makes very noticable power💪🏾 The Harley techs didn't do these cams much but were highly impressed. My King now looks, sounds, AND performs incredible!! Thanks!!!!
If I could go back in time I would have purchased a Wood cam. However, the SE 255 with a High Flow air intake and a D&D Fat Cat 2 into 1 exhaust produced 101 lb of torque and 95 Hp with a good Dyno tune. The torque rolled off at about 5k and my normal riding RPM wasn’t more than that plus I had enough torque at highway speed for passing. I was happy with it for many years. Then I paid off my bike and started thinking of adding a big bore kit.
I'm in the process of buying a 09 Super Glide 96" and of course I'm already looking at modifications for hp. MAN I am glad I found your channel. I'm 67 and on a tight budget so this particular video NAILED IT!!! Thanks Brother, I subscribed and hit the like. I will be checking out ALL of your videos out. Wood's for the big grin factor. Never grow old 👍👍
Thank you, I appreciate the like and the subscription too! A cam set goes a long way in the Twin Cam engine, especially with Wood. Wood can be noisy but it's worth the power! I've got a lot of twin cam videos covering all kinds of big bore kits and performance mods over a wide budget range.
That's awesome, those easy start cams are really nice. Eliminates the need for compression releases too, unless you've got some extremely crazy pistons in there.
@@troyemery9888 I chose the S&S brand for the easy start feature of the cams & from all video research I did the S&S oil pump had the largest passages for oil...provides significantly greater pressure at idle, no more 2-3 psi...more like 8-10...saving $ for big bore kit & head work.
I have a Wood 222 with slip ons, true dual and K&N and dynatune. Really woke it up! couple of things: be sure to include an upgraded cam plate and oil flow with it to keep the engine reliable. I considered a 107, but my RK is pushing 50k miles and the extra CIs will blow the lower case seals, etc. I thinks thats all I can do to my 96.
I just picked up a 07 Dyna low that is pretty much totally stock as far as I can tell, just slip ons. Has a lot of miles on it at 70,000. No noise, or smoke. Anyway. This winter it’s getting built. Not sure if I’m going 110 or 107, but pretty much decided on the cam, feeling 574. Have a DK custom 606 intake and an fp3 on the way. Hopefully my crank is good enough shape to use. Love your videos! Great information and ideas. Keep em coming. Be safe out there.
I don't know how many miles you have on that cam, but keep an ear on that motor. The 255 is really hard on lifters, they will wipe them out. You see a lot of that on 110 CVO's, they come with the SE 255.
The 96" Twin Cam actually is a pretty good motor if you make a few upgrades to it. You would think a 103 inch twin cam, would make a bit more hp than the 96, but if you look at the Dyno charts its not the case. I remember back in 2008 I rode a friends 2007 Dyna Lowrider, with the 96 inch Twin Cam, and let him ride my 1200 XL I had at the time. He had a high flow air cleaner, and a pair of V&H slip ons. I had a Bassani Pro Street exhaust, and a SE high flow AC, and a Dyno Jet Tune we had about identical numbers on hp. He was dissapointed that the 96 inch TC didnt have more get up and go. I would say what really wakes these 96 inch motors up is the right pair of either S & S cams, or Woods (Andrews) cams, the right full exhaust, not slip ons, the proper tune is crucial, then you really want to wake it up havethose heads worked over. I am slightly againt running very high compression on street bikes, that you want to keep their reliabilty, and sreetable.
I went with the woods tw 222 cam. Let’s just say I was suprised when I rode it. With my stage one and stock cam I could snap the throttle and feel a pretty damn good pull around 25-3500 then it would power out and sound like I needed to shift ASAP or my engine was gonna blow around 4000 plus rpm. I got used to it I had about 10000k on that set up. When I rode the new cams I was suprised and disappointed to feel nothing at all. I rode the bike the way I rode it before and felt absolutely no different. I even called the mechanic just to see why that was. Anyways, it changed the way the bike rode. Where my power band used to end this one starts. So I started screaming up way higher in the rpm range and felt no sign of powering out right up to 5000 and I sounded healthy too. The tourque pulls very good to a nice slow and steady pull in the lower rpm range then up right everything kicks in and you are moving. So one thing to keep in mind with these cams is that they are a mid range cam but it feel like high rpm in a stock set up. So it threw me off. All in all very happy and highly recommended.
It's very important to look at where the cams come on and not just what the peak RPM's are. I am surprised you didn't have the low end you were looking for with the 222, they are supposed to put some more power down on the bottom end.
Your videos are fantastic and helpful. I got a 2008 96 twin cam with screaming eagle slips but don't have an air filter and tune yet . This video really got me thinking about what can be done before going nuts . Keep posting ,
I sold both my FLSTC and my FLHRCI twin cams and bought a 1998 FLSTF. It is all stock except the Mustang seat and up graded exhaust it is all I need at my age.
I just put a TW222 in my ‘07 Wide Glide, it seriously woke it up, I also have a PV tuner with a fuel moto flash for that cam. Very very satisfied with the results.
My 97 Evo Fatboy with 22” Apes and another 200 lbs of gear, passing lights, bags custom passenger floorboards n hardware, beefed up the rear shock mounting hardware with a pair of 1/2” solid stainless steel bolts all the way through the frame with urethane bushings, drilled the frame n swing-arm’s weak links specifically the recessed 3/8” shoulder bolt threads to fit the big ole bolt, and hefty billet steel chrome risers with similar bolts drilled all the way through, (I rode it like it was an enduro, catch air, drift on the drive out of turn after backing it in and around) would catch and pass stage 2 (cams intake full exhaust, & tuned) 103’s riding solo while riding 2up with the bags full of new snap-on tools from the swap meet. Used to anger my friends who spent $2500-$3000 on upgrades and got passed by my pride n joy. (Sadly she was stolen, by a guy that called me “brother”) I have an 07 FLSTFI 96” pulls good with the baffles out-and a K&N filter element, pulls real good, I dont know the history of the bike, but I’m almost impressed!
S&S 583 non easy start.fueling lifters.stock heads.hi flow air.2 into 1 V&H upsweep in my 08 Superglide 96" Dynajet power vision. People in the know here in Adelaide Australia, told me they hated the cam choice with a passion. It's so responsive and makes power from idle ,right through.. Because it drops off at the top end..who cares.! I don't ride at 180kmh.. I love the aggressive idle and throttle response is amazing
I am looking for my first Harley touring bike, and this definitely convinced me that I will be happy with either a 96 or a 103 if I upgrade cams. Thanks a million!
@@GixxerFoo I'm just stunned at the HP and TORQUE gains just from bolting in the WOOD PERFORMANCE cans!!! My 2011 wide glide has 28,000 miles on it. Should I replace my valve springs, rockers while I'm installing the cam set? Thank you for responding to my post brother!!! Your videos are great and very informative!!! Keep them coming 🎸🎸🎸
With that kinda mileage, if it were me l would go ahead and put a new set of lifters in with the cam. Naturally you'll change the cam bearings with the cams. Depends who you talk to but some may say just bolt it in. The springs l wouldn't change, but definently the lifters since it's a contact point with the new cam.
@@GixxerFoo that's what I was thinking too. If I'm in there doin the work I might as well change out what needs replacing especially with 28,000 miles on it. Thank you for your response brother. It is greatly appreciated!!!!
Hey no problem, just depends who you talk to about what needs changed etc. Even though they have roller lifters, to me they are going to have some wear with contact on the old cam.
Just got back from Sturgis and I ride a snappy 07 street glide and I literally out ran all my buddies with 103s and a 114. I’m to the point now I don’t want a bigger motor. I’m thinkin more TLC, and engine shenanigans. Plus bragging rights of 60,000 miles smoking a new bike makes me feel good.
Thank you for your helpful vid. I took the detail to my local HD service master and have set up the install of the TW 222. My 08 Flstc is in great condition but due to the added engine performance I have upgraded the front shocks with Progressive Monotube cartridge kit and the rear with the 422 set. Better stopping control. Took your advice to update the compensator as well as the clutch spring to handle the power. Also added a high performance oil pump. Thanks again!
I have a 2011 Wide glide and my plan is Woods TW777 cams, push rods, and lifters from Fuel Moto. .03 head gasket, S&S valve springs. I've had great success with Chevy V8's in the past with this approach to avoid buying cams twice when I reach the final goal. In this case is a full on 107" build. I'm hoping to ride her for one season with the aforementioned upgrade with the stage one , ( V&H slip ons and Arlen Ness air cleaner ) until the winter of 2021 which is when I'll complete the build. I admire your knowledge and appreciate your info. which is why I subscribed. Your input will be welcomed.
Gixxer, its been about 2 months since I planned my 96 twin cam upgrade. The work is completed and I have taken my wife on a few runs to check on the results. Here is a summary of the work: My 08 Flstc is in great condition but due to the added engine performance I upgraded the front shocks with Progressive Monotube cartridge kit and the rear with the 422 set. Heavy Duty Screaming Eagle clutch, compensator and cam plate with heavy duty oil pump added. I had a 2 into 1 Cobra installed with Arlen Ness Big sucker air filter and hidden breather. The power difference is huge right off the line , wants to pull hard and at 2000 rpm starts to dig. At 3000 the engine is very forceful with major pull which stays on through to 5000 rpm. At 3000 rpm in 6'th gear 80 mph. A roll on at that level provided an immediate pull matched by the snarl of the exhaust and the pull through to 5000 RPM is brilliant. 2 up and overtaking is now safe and a breeze. The Heavy duty clutch is a great improvement. Better sweet spot feel. The progressive suspension provides much confidence in the twisties particularly 2 up where previously some "wallow" would be an issue. No brake dive and excellent tyre feel. The cam is the gem............turned my cruiser into a big fun Prowler....... Hot Rod! I exchanged the stock tank speedo with a Koso Tach Speedo which has so many great features but the large RPM dial lets me easily track performance. Thanks for all the solid help.
That is awesome to hear and I am glad you are enjoying it! You did great by taking it a step further with the suspension, clutch and internal engine upgrades! Not a lot of people do that so they really don't realize the full potential of the upgrades!
My mechanic refuses to install an S&S lol. Told me about Wood. But their site is terrible. Could not figure out what cam was right for my street glide. You made this super easy for me. Thank you buddy.
Glad I could help, yeah Bob Wood is not a web designer. Lol the site is like something from back in the 90's but he can sure design cams. Andrews grinds them to spec so you get Andrews quality built in.
@@GixxerFoo lol I'd written off Wood as a product I would get cause of the site. Your video cleared up everything for me. Now just to find a way to get the cams over to cali.....
Spot on staying 96 putting the triple 5's in got a Thunder header evolution clutch. Had an 88 with the Bob woods 510 loved it. Had Vance Haines two in one race clutch Ignition and hot plugs. Hotrod.
If I had a 96” the only way I’d upgrade to a 103 is if it needed a rebuild and I would add some compression to it and cams of course. My bro in laws 96” street glide goes plenty good. It’s a slippery slope, I did cams in my 103 and then wanted more but held my horses and am now happy lol. When the time comes to rebuild then I’ll definitely do some upgrades like comp and like lily heads/head work, but till then I’m happy.
A lot of people get hung on the fence about putting money into a older Harley but compared to the price of a new one it makes sense. Doing some nice upgrades makes the bike unique and it will lay down some power you won't get for the price of a new one.
Gixxerfoo, are you aware that the new harleys come from the factory with the drive belts way to tight? My new 22 Street Glide Special only went 70 miles before the lower end started making a loud bearing howling noise. My boy picked up his new Street Glide St with 117ci yesterday and after 50 miles had rubber bits all over his pearl white bags. Plus he said he could hear a, rawl-rawl-rawl noise from the belt. Local stealer said it was tight to break in the belt? I call B.S. Been a mechanic all my life and have never seen any application where a rubber belt is way over tightened for any reason. On my 22, I backed that belt off right away and haven't heard a peep out of it sense. Would like to hear your thoughts?
As a diesel mechanic can I do this myself? Only thing holding me back is tuning it . Is it just a plug and play? Just looking for little more power and better sound. Thinking of replacing cams, oil pump, and gears
My suggestion if you don't have a local tuner, I'm not sponsored here but FuelMoto. You can order everything you need, plus get a power vision flash tuner with a FuelMoto custom tune for your setup preloaded so after install all you have to do is flash their tune to the bike. They have some really really good tunes they develop in house on their dyno.
I have a 07 stc with a 96. This seems like a cost effective way for easy piwer upgrade depending on which cam you pick. Thx for your great video showing all these options! R
I got a 2008 dyna super glide custom with the 96ci. Bought it with 22k miles. I put an arlen ness air cleaner, TBR turnout exhaust, and powervision tuner on it about a year ago. I just put in andrews 48 cams at 26k miles. And WOW!!! It REALLY woke the bike up. Even with the base fuel moto map. I’m so glad I did a lot of homework before buying cams. The 103s come with an oil cooler and run hotter due to higher compression. 96s don’t have oil coolers. That’s what turned me off of going 103. I don’t want the bike running hot, leading to problems. The shorty 2-1 exhausts have a nasty dip around 2.5-3.5k rpm. The andrews 48 cam picked that dip right up with strong power gains through the whole range. The curve is very flat and healthy now on the dyno 😝🤘🏼 This bike RIPS now and I just had it dyno’d at 95HP/104TQ. I’m very satisfied. I also had a compression / leakdown / crank runout test done prior to installing cams and the motor is happy and healthy. So now my mind is at ease too knowing the motor is good. I have no need now to tear the motor apart and rebuild the top end so I can put in se 103” pistons and have my cylinders bored 😊 all that work and $1500-2000 for another 4-5hp / 6-8tq gain…..not worth it at all haha I’ll stay with my 96, and I’ll never part with it because it was my first street bike / Harley 😊 this will be my cool guy “fxr” bike in 10-15 years 😅 then I’ll have the shiny brand new low rider s next to it, hopefully lol.
Wouldn't upgraded cams, transmission and automatic compression release be necessary? Not sure it's worth the expense when you can do a full stage1 upgrade to get similar results in HP.
Not with just a cam upgrade, it's going to add a lot of power but you wouldn't need compression releases or anything. A A high flow air cleaner and slip on exhaust with stock cams and a good tune will net you in the range of 5 horse give or take. You add a cam with that and you're looking at a 10 to 15 horsepower jump over stock.
That's one of the best cams across the board, some people say they are noisy which they can be. But a little noise with some more overlap is how you get that power.
Heard the 96's run hot, but thinking about buying one anyway. Assuming what is purchased has aftermarket pipes, would adding a cam increase heat from the already hot 96?
My 08 Fatbob: V&H Bigshot Staggered Arlene Ness Big Sucker air intake Wood 575 cams Powervision Tuned by Jim Kennedy in Mattoon Illinois 93hp/103 torque My 09 StreetGlide: Screamin Eagle Street Performer 103 kit 10.5 to 1 pistons Decked, flowed heads Screamin Eagle 259e cams V&H 2 into 1 pro pipe K&N air intake Powervision Tuned at Coziahr HD in Decatur Illinois 92hp/102 torque. Was very impressed with the 08 fxdf Seriously disappointed in the 09 so Gonna swap out the se cams for Wood 999 - 6A cams and going back to Jim Kennedy.
I’m running a 253 in my 88 I love it . It’s a cvo 103 cam . Absolutely the biggest lift cam you cam put in early 88 heads . Should done it long time ago. Did it while upgrading to hydraulic tensioners and screaming eagle oil pump. Them stock cams are epa cams !!! -
Ok' as you might be able to see from my profile picture, that I have a Fatboy. As you can also see' it has a aftermarket air cleaner, and' V/H pipes. It sounds good, just with that, but' I'm wanting to get a different cam, for it. Without doing anything else to the motor. Just wondering what size cam would work great for my bike. I don't rev my bike to 6,000RPM. I usually change around 2500-3400. Unless I need to get onto the interstate. Then' I may go up to 3600-3800.
Hi mate, this is a great video well done. I recently installed S&SMR103 cams in my 2013 Softail standard 103 cube. The dyno results after tune were: max torque 106.77 at 3.37 rpm and max power 84.73 at 5.02 rpm. I am happy with the mid range generally but am not happy with the throttle response from idle and the throttle response in the mid range. What should I do? Replace cams and start again? Put compression in? Or put 107 pistons in? Thanks
Took an 88 to 95. Used s&s 585 gear drive. Roll on in 3rd gear at 35 mph and spin the back tire in a dyna. It was fun. Glad to see you cam a 96. I always wanted to do that to mine. Life was to busy at the time. I now have an evo with a 640. Its fun too.
@West Coast I’m looking to change cams in my 2011 FXDC with the 96ci. I was recommended to go with the S&S 585s as well. I thought you needed higher compression for those cams? I really want to make mine a torque monster and make it snappy, vs making it faster I guess.
@@Billy-hx3zi they will work great. More compression would help create more power. I was told it was a waste when I did it. Think about it. You get more volume in. You are going to compress that in the same area. It will make more power. I did it before easy start cams came out. Not sold on the still.
That's very true, that old saying no replacement for displacement hold true as well. It's better to get it done with what you want the first time rather than go back a second time.
Great video! Sorry I’m late to the party but I am contemplating doing a stage 2 upgrade. I have a 2011 Street Bob 96” and did the stage 1 upgrade when I bought it brand new back in 2011. I put a SE high flow air cleaner, some Vance & Hines straight shots 2 into 2, and a good tune with a SE super tuner. Max HP of 69 at 5000 RPM and max torque of 86 at 3450 RPM. I suppose I didn’t get the best gains with the high flow air filter and not going with a 2 to 1 exhaust but I have been riding the bike like that for the last 12 years and it’s been a great bike. Finally thinking about stage 2 with a cam. I’m thinking a Woods 555 kit or a Fueling 543 kit. I like getting on her hard from start to high RPM so I think either of these cams would accomplish that. Which one should I go with and should I upgrade the high flow air cleaner with a heavy breather? Can I use the same SE super tuner when it’s all done to get a good tune on it? Finally, if I went with the Woods 555 do I need higher compression than my stock 96 can provide to get the best result. I think a cam could really make my Street Bob roar just getting some advice before doing it. Thanks!
Just upgraded today from a 883 spprty to a 96" roadking. I have a stage 1 kit. I think I would go with cams and other upgrades before I moved to a 103. There are lots of how to videos to do yourself.
Aftermarket cams really do a lot for a Harley, best part is they are really simple engines. Twin Cam is the most mostly complicated of the 45 degree twins. But that's not a saying much, get a official Harley service manual from the dealer. The Harley manual details ever single step down to the tools and the torque specs, it's the best investment you can make to pair with the how to videos. You can do it all yourself very easily, the service manual will line it all out in really good detail. My only issue is you have it tore apart down to the letter by the book, reassembly- reverse disassembly 😬.
Thanks for the info. I've got a 07 RG SE 103 kit thundermax tuner bassini road rage 3 .255 cam lacks ump . Woods... hope your watching I'll be buying. Cheers from Canada
good afternoon. I have a 2010 dyna fat bob with the v&h 2-1 hi output short exhaust and high performance filter. What cam would you put on it without having to change lifters and pushrods..... and if you recommend changing them, which one would you put???
For a dyna with that setup I would with a Wood 555 and go back in with adjustable pushrods that way you don't have to disassemble the top end. A set of adjustable pushrods is a lot cheaper and easier than tearing down the top end. You'd for sure want to inspect your lifters for wear and marking, if they look good I would reuse them if you're under 10k miles. I would go with a one of the more inexpensive set of Jims lifters if it were me.
glad I found your video very informative. My 2011 heritage has screaming eagle 255 cams with a complete stock motor and just some slip ons and a big sucker air cleaner. Wanting to change out the 255's (never been to happy with these). What Woods cams do you recommend for this same setup (no changes except cam at this time ) 222 or 555. One up rider and just having fun with the bike as is. Thanks again
The 222 is great cam for more low end torque and very good top end, it's a great cam for a heavy bike. The 555 makes excellent horsepower and torque it just comes on a little later and runs out further, it's a great cam for a lot of Dyna riders.
That woods cam you first spoke of looks mighty tempting, but I would want to check run out before I go changing cams, cam bearings, cam plate etc to do the job right...and if I did all that and came out with good numbers I would be looking at gear driven
Gear drive is the way to go if you can swing the cost and your run out is good. The Wood cams are awesome, a little noisy compared to other cam though. But that's how the Wood makes the power with the overlap.
Im got a 96 with cams in it and its a good bike , but after trip across the states i want to upgrade it . So im putting in a 107 kit with 10-1 compression and feuling 543 cams .
Hey great video. Like the numbers they just don't lie. I have a 2009 harley Road King and was looking for a set of cams to put on. After watching the video decided to go with the 222's. I am hearing alot about having to replace the compensator. What do you think? I figured that I would also need to upgrade the oil pump and cam plate while it's out. Look forward to more vids. Thanks again
The 96's through 2009 were notorious for weak compensators, if you did have a failure my best suggestion would be a compensator eliminator from Dark Horse. It's a sprocket basically, but it has a built in cush drive which is also rebuildable! Really neat setup and eliminates the compensator issues all together. If you do end up replacing a compensator go with the Screamin Eagle, it's cheaper than the OEM unit and better.
I bought a 96 with a woods 222, 2 into 1 pro pipe, high flow intake, and power tune. Any idea hp torque numbers? The guy didn't give me the dyno numbers. 08 street glide
Great Video as always. I’m building a cholo style ‘09 deluxe. I’m purchasing the Fuel Motor standard 110 kit with level B heads. Updating with their adjustable clutch, new cam plate and gear driven. Also upgrading compensator and oil pump. Also going with manual adjustment output chain. I’m somewhat skeptical doing all this work due to the fact that I have Samson true dual fishtails with no crossover, but does have torque cones. . The cam has not been chosen at this point. What are your thoughts? Motor is completely stock with 10k miles.
Since you having your heads done with the level B you really have some cam options beyond just the bolt in cams. Fuel Moto is really big on the Wood cams since they produce serious power. Only draw back to Wood is they can be a bit noisy but it's the trade off for some power.
That's a very strong cam, it comes on about 2500 but it runs out pretty good. With a good exhaust and tune you should see power in the mid 90's and torque close to 100 foot pounds.
I enjoyed your video .... do you have a cam review video for my 07 road king custom ... I had the stock 96ci converted over to the 110 when I first got it... I really would like to put a cam in it but I'm certainly no motor head. ..but I think I could figure out a bolt on ....right now I have the 110 conversion kit, 50mm throttle body, screaming eagle high flow cone filter, Rinehart true duels and thundermax tuner ... all the videos are for the 103. But I'd love to see one on 96 -110 cam selections Thanks John m in Charleston SC
the difference in price between the woods 222 kit and just the cams is quite significant which option would you go for and why? should I get less miles per gallon? thank you
I think I'm going to go with the Wood TW999-6a. I keep hearing great things about it, and I know I'll increase in Cubes and Compression that will only make this cam better. 2 thumbs up!!
@@GixxerFoo what are your thoughts on the cam plate. Are the stock plates adequate for say a stage 1 bike plus cams or would it be wise to go ahead and upgrade while you're in there?
There's nothing wrong with the stock setup and a good set of bearings, but it never hurts to be over built. I like the biller cam plates and high volume oil pumps. If you're willing to swing the extra cost l would go for it.
@@GixxerFoo thank ya thank ya, that's probably what I'll do. I always upgrade the oil pumps on my Shovels so I figured it would be cheap insurance for the dyna. Loving the videos!
They do very well in the 96, naturally the 103 produces a bit more with the added displacement but the 96 is no slouch. It's typically about 5 horsepower and torque behind the 103 so with a 96 you should see mid to high 80's in horsepower and low to mid 90's in torque.
The 551 is great cam for low to mid range for a bolt in, the 222 tends to produce more horsepower and torque per given rpm though. The 222 revs out a bit further on top, but the 551 is going to be much quieter than the 222.
Hi there. First love your channel and 2nd I have 2 bikes with stock 96ci engines and the hp sucks. I have new sets of se 255’s and tts 100’s. What are your thoughts on these. I want to put the tts 100’s in the bike I want to keep. I’d love to hear your thoughts?
I have 103 jugs been bored to 107 was going to put the TW22 cams in it just wondering how it would turn out it's a '96 cubic inch engine right now 08 ultra classic
By just adding a cam set it's not 100% required although it's not a bad to add a clutch upgrade and a high volume oil pump. It really depends on how you ride and how many miles are on the bike. A heavy duty clutch spring isn't a bad idea, while adding cams if you can swing the extra for a billet cam plate and high volume oil pump it's an opportune time to get that done with the chest open.
I have an 09 RK classic with upgraded airfliter and slip-in’s Makes 71 HP and 83 TQ I want more torque on low end to run with the guys on newer 103 and 107’s especially at Highway speed. I am in Texas and speed limits at 75 and even 80 with groups riding at close to 90. Which TW cam recommend. I often do 3 day trips loaded with gear and a trunk Current bike just runs out of power at those top speeds
I'd say you'd be hard pressed to beat the Wood TW-222 for that RK. The 222 makes a lot of all around power and it really bump you're horsepower and torque all over the RPM range.
I just picked up a 2010 fatbob from copart for 3500 bucks dude. Needless to say I'm ecstatic as you can imagine. It only needs handle bar risers and that's literally it. It's got a ton of extras on it and it runs excellent. I'm digging that woods tw 222. I'm not familiar w the 96. What should one look out for with these? We know 88 tensioner failures. I know these don't have that issue. It's only got 20k on it also. Thanks in advance can't wait to try out a fat bob.
Congratulations on the new bike! Sounds like you got one heck of a deal for 3500! The 96 had some compensator failure issues, that was mainly for 2007 to 2009 models. After 2009 they seemed to have it straightened out. People complained about the 96 running hot, but that was the first year of very lean fuel injection factory tunes for the EPA. Once they are tuned with a after market tuner they are good to go. Wood cams really wake up that 96!
@@GixxerFoo thanks I like it so far.. awesome, it's got everything intake tuner exhaust I mean you name it. Only thing it doesn't have is a cam I'm guessing. Thanks for the info sir much appreciated. It was a damn good deal for sure.
@@GixxerFoo that's the exact reason why I bought it. I wanted to check out the handling of it. Have you ever ridden one before if so is it everything everyone says it is? I've read the fat bobs handle like nobody's business. I wanna put mids on it to turn it into an all out ripper. I didn't realize you gotta change the primary cover in order to do so. I'll try the forwards and see what happens. I wanna get taller shocks for the rear as well. It'll be a fun ripper regardless though for sure.
I like the numbers of the tw222, does s&s make a similar performing cam? I’m afraid to go with the tw222 with me not having compression releases so I was going to go s&s easy start
The TW-222 makes some really strong power, if you just doing a cam swap and not increasing compression the 222 will start just like the stock cam. But the closest thing to the Wood from S&S in the easy start would be the S&S .570.
Hi Gixxer. Thanks for all of your videos, they're informative and well done. I'm subscribed and watch them all. What's your take on stock head pipes with slipons (Samson ovals) for a cam upgrade? Worth it or are the stockers too restrictive? '07 Street Glide... Thanks again!
The issue with the touring bikes is you still have the catalytic converter in the head pipe. Just slip ons with a cam swap will give you a good power bump and better sound, but you won't get the highest horsepower due to the cat. On the other hand you will get some big torque with the cat in there. The stock harley header is actually really good, it's just that cat in the head pipe on the touring models that holds the horsepower back.
Hey man, love your channel. Are Andrew's 57H cams good?....and are they a good match for wiseco forged pistons with ported heads? My end compression after those upgrades is gonna be 10.5 -1 or 10-1 , one of those...so my mechanic put the Andrew's cams in first, said was a good all round cam, along with a bassanin rr3 stainless. My bike is 2003 cvo ann. Road king...the cams and pipe was first, now were doing the pistons, bore and hone and ported heads. He told me thatll all mesh well together and make good power. Whats your honest opinions and thoughts of this kind of build...also a power commander 5. I wanted a power vision but he told me a pc5 will tune it fine. What you think about that also?.....any advice you can give me will be well received.....thanks man
It sounds like he's got you a nice setup especially since you're doing the heads and upping the compression. Just good dyno tune and you'll be all set, don't leave any power on the table after all that work.
Great informative video! In all honesty what else do I need to replace when installing cams on my 13fxdb with 22k miles? Them Woods 222 cams are exactly what I've been looking for, thanks!
For a basic install with bolt in cams I would plan on a rocker box gasket kit and of course your cam cover gasket. With 22k miles just for peace of mind I would go ahead put a new set of tensioner shoes in need it or not. They are good for up to 40k but may as well while you're there. That's the bare minimum to get a new cam, I personally like to get some lifters and cam bearings which isn't necessary per say but it's a while you're in there might as well. It's a great time upgrade the cam plate if you want to as well with a new high voulume oil pump too. Don't have to, but it's cheaper to do it now while the bike is apart then go back later.
I have a 96 inch Dyna and have been thinking about the S.E 255 cam. After watching your video I think the Woods 555 is the way to go. The power curves are similar and i can probably get away with the S.E 255 fuel map and not flag digital tech.
I’m buying a 2011 fat boy 96ci that already has a 255 cam in it and wondering if this is a good setup? Reliability is most important to me and I like extra low end torque.
Screamin Eagle cams are going to be pretty mild, the 255 is what is used in the CVO bikes. It's a good cam for low to mid range power and it's not hard on the valve train at all.
I'm leaning towards one of the woods, what is your opinion on changing the lifters when changing cams? I seem to be finding 50/50 for yes or no. Some say you always should, others say with rolling lifters it's not necessary, though my bike is at 20,000 miles so maybe so.
I've got the same answers myself over the years with roller lifters. My honest opinion is you've got a wear pattern from the old cam, new parts wear out old. I prefer to change the lifters myself if they have over 5k miles with a new cam. Just me though, others will reuse them.
Great video just what I needed to help make a decision. I am gonna do the TW 222 cams in my 09 street glide 96 in motor, will also put on D and D 2 into 1 Fat Cat ( I already have a K and N filter) and getting it tuned. Do I need to do adjustable push rods also ?
I assume you meant push rods, adjustable push rods are required with the wood cams. You might consider new lifters, not a total have to thing but just something I prefer when installing a new cam.
@GixxerFoo I’m looking to get some cams swapped out next month. My Indy shop recommended the S&S 585s for my 96ci dyna super glide custom. I feel like I might not be happy with those, but they say they’re really good cams and really rip in higher rpms. He says the dynas have pretty good torque down low as it is and that they normally recommend a cam that comes on later in the power range. He also says the Woods cams are kinda noisy and people complain about that. I’m no professional but from all the videos and research I’ve done I feel like I’d be better off with more of a torque cam. With my thunderheader, high flow air filter, and power vision tuner I feel like I’ll be good to go after the cam swap.
Your Indy shop is right, the 585 is a great cam it just comes on a little later and runs out longer. Just really look at where you ride, do you even get into the higher RPM range above 5000? Wood cams are noisy due to their aggressive grind so you will have more valve train noise. You've got all the right supporting components to make a cam pull hard. If you don't run out the higher RPM range you'd be happier with a low to mid range cam, and on a Dyna that will just build on the power that's already in that range.
@@GixxerFoo I do wind the gears out to the redline a lot but I don’t hold the speed out that long either, so I’m torn on what to get. I really want it to just be more responsive all the way around
Canned tunes with an auto tune aren't too bad, but a good tune is going to a qualified dyno shop. Getting it on a dyno and having a tuner really dial it in that makes all the difference.
The rule of thumb between those two cams in general is 222 for touring (maybe softail), 555 for the Dyna. That doesn't apply to everyone but most prefer a 555 in the Dyna with it being lighter it doesn't need as much low end torque and most people prefer the way the 555 revs out in those bikes. Touring being heavier you want the extra torque in the low and mid range but you're not so worried about the top end performance. It comes down to where you ride the most and where you want that power to be available to you at.
Thank you for your vids, entertaining and informative. I have an '07 96" FXDL that I bought 2 yrs ago used with less than 14k in the clock. I have since added S&S air, Bassani Road Rage III SS and a tuner. Also did some updating in the primary and finally installed the TW-222 cams along with a SE oil pump. For the way I ride this bike really puts a smile on my face. It's not the biggest or baddest, but it sure as hell is a blast to ride, and I still have some coin in my pocket.
I've watched all of your TC videos (and more), and am wondering what needs to be done to the rest of the drivetrain to support the increased HP and TQ. Thoughts? Did I miss a video? I have a 2007 FLHX and am considering cams, then possibly a big bore upgrade.
The bolt in cams work great with 110 conversions, especially with a little added compression. The Wood bolt ins really are under rated and when they have some compression added they really come to life.
96 twin cam in a 2010 Road King coming up on 50k miles. When doing cams does anything else need to be upgraded? Bearings, higher capacity oil pump, compensator, cam plate, etc. I'm also planning on doing a cat delete and running with a Fuelpak tuner. This bike is a daily rider for around town and on the freeway and needs to be dead reliable. Really want to avoid the trap of having new parts that wear out older parts and REALLY don't want to end up pushing it. For me and the way I ride there's probably no point in moving to a higher displacement.
A new cam kit will come with some bearings, definently want to.change those. Upgrading the cam plate, new lifters and oil pump is a great idea, and this would be the time to do it. It's not totally necessary though. The compensators are known to go out on the 96, but l wouldn't worry about it unless you have an issue. Just don't go back with OEM, at least replace with the Screamin Eagle.
Would you convert your 96 to a 103 or add one of these aftermarket cam sets?
Why not both?
Great vid man. Liked and Subbed. Been waiting for this one. To get a 96" to over 100tq and very near on 100hp just out of just a Stage 2 cam swap is VERY impressive! For me though if I was going to go to the expense of new pistons and jugs, I'd personally not muck around and go straight to the top shelf 110" SE drop ins. But then you'd need a whole different cam set again. I'm on a Rocker C 96" Stage 1 with 2 into 2 Freedom Amendments.
Cost mainly, a cam can be done for way cheaper than a full kit.
Thank you! It really is cheaper in the long run to go for it all at once, expensive upfront though.
Do you have any info on SE-211 cams? I have them in my 07 street bob I recently purchased with 103 kit, a/c and full exhaust. Just not much info out there on them. Seem like an old product. Great videos by the way.
I have to say something here, and I am trying to help people out, and prevent them from throwing their money away! You do not need a ton of horsepower just to " keep up" with people. After you get a good feel for the bike, and got some miles under your belt, you will more than likely want more than the factory horsepower of either the Twin Cam 88, and 96/103. But you do not need to break the bank unless you are planning on like racing. A good free flowing exhaust, high flow air cleaner, a good tuner or jet kit, and the right pair of either S & S or the Wood Cams, and you have some decent power. You will have enough where it passes well, has good throttle response, and can keep up with the pack. But yet it won't be so powerful where it feels like it will run out from under you.
You are right about that!! I actually do just fine, considering the fact that I don't ride my bike, like a bat out hell style anyway. I just enjoy a simple ride, and it only has 25,000 miles on it right now.
I had a 2011 Fatboy with the 96 in it. I upgraded the cams to the Andrews 48H. I went with the Vance & Hines Big Shots. I upgraded the intake/air cleaner as well. Which one it was exactly, I can't remember. After a dyno tune, it REALLY woke it up and also let it run cooler. On the way home from the tuner, I was at a light. I let out the clutch and was not paying attention as I gave it some throttle. The handlebars almost ran away from me! I miss that bike!
Those Andrews 48s are no joke. I had some in a “96” you couldn’t give me a 103 over that little motor. 😊
I bought a 2011 Fat Boy early this year. I came to this video because I didn’t know if the 96 was worth tuning or if I should buy a bike with a M8. It sounds like I’ll be tuning the 96 after reading this comment
On my 2007 Dyna 96" I went with the Feuling 543 Reaper cam and SuperTrapp Supermeg pipes. I already had a K&N a/c. My gas mileage was bad. I travel a lot. I tried different tunes with my FP3 tuner but it didn't help much. I recently had it dyno'd with a Power Vision map. It made 95.48 hp and 104.93 torque. My freeway mpg is 47.
what I have learned over the years with all HD engines from a knuckle to TC or a sporty is that they dont FLOW well. The HP is hidden in the heads sort of. Have it put on a flow bench. Then couple that with cams or Carb or EFI remap. and exhaust. You can easily make 100 plus HP this way. No need for a bigger engine. If ya got a nice ol skool though Strokers are fun until they blow up. And they do blow up. In the old days there were no big bore kits ect. We made stroker plates. Chamfered the bottom end to accept the longer rods without having them slam into the cases. Then there were guys like Ron Trock putting big twin top ends on ironhead bottoms! Shovesters. pansters. knucksters. Back then 89 inch engines were HUGE.
That's the way to go is just get the air flowing through the motor. They push these big inch kits today but a hot 103 will crush a lot of the big bore engines.
Appreciate your videos my man!!
96ci FLHRC and I went with the Wood TW6-6. Heavy breather, V&H X and slip ons, Fuel Pak custom tune. Makes very noticable power💪🏾 The Harley techs didn't do these cams much but were highly impressed. My King now looks, sounds, AND performs incredible!! Thanks!!!!
Thank you, I appreciate it! That is awesome to hear you got that bike just right! It's hard to beat a wood cam!
If I could go back in time I would have purchased a Wood cam. However, the SE 255 with a High Flow air intake and a D&D Fat Cat 2 into 1 exhaust produced 101 lb of torque and 95 Hp with a good Dyno tune. The torque rolled off at about 5k and my normal riding RPM wasn’t more than that plus I had enough torque at highway speed for passing. I was happy with it for many years. Then I paid off my bike and started thinking of adding a big bore kit.
I'm in the process of buying a 09 Super Glide 96" and of course I'm already looking at modifications for hp. MAN I am glad I found your channel. I'm 67 and on a tight budget so this particular video NAILED IT!!! Thanks Brother, I subscribed and hit the like. I will be checking out ALL of your videos out. Wood's for the big grin factor. Never grow old 👍👍
Thank you, I appreciate the like and the subscription too! A cam set goes a long way in the Twin Cam engine, especially with Wood. Wood can be noisy but it's worth the power! I've got a lot of twin cam videos covering all kinds of big bore kits and performance mods over a wide budget range.
I installed an S&S 551 easy start cam & S&S 2-1-2 header on an ‘08 96 ci twin cam and had similar results. A very noticeable improvement.
That's awesome, those easy start cams are really nice. Eliminates the need for compression releases too, unless you've got some extremely crazy pistons in there.
i did the same to my 2007 electra glide classic. i gain 20+hp 20+tq👍👍
What cam would you recommend for a 103 bagger with slip ons and tuner. Looking for roll on torque/power...thanks
@@troyemery9888 I chose the S&S brand for the easy start feature of the cams & from all video research I did the S&S oil pump had the largest passages for oil...provides significantly greater pressure at idle, no more 2-3 psi...more like 8-10...saving $ for big bore kit & head work.
Im impressed with the S&S 551 easy start, nice low end post from basically idle to 4000 rpm
I have a Wood 222 with slip ons, true dual and K&N and dynatune. Really woke it up! couple of things: be sure to include an upgraded cam plate and oil flow with it to keep the engine reliable. I considered a 107, but my RK is pushing 50k miles and the extra CIs will blow the lower case seals, etc. I thinks thats all I can do to my 96.
A 222 on a 96 works really well, and like you said it's not a bad idea at all to upgrade the cam plate.
I just picked up a 07 Dyna low that is pretty much totally stock as far as I can tell, just slip ons. Has a lot of miles on it at 70,000. No noise, or smoke. Anyway. This winter it’s getting built. Not sure if I’m going 110 or 107, but pretty much decided on the cam, feeling 574. Have a DK custom 606 intake and an fp3 on the way. Hopefully my crank is good enough shape to use. Love your videos! Great information and ideas. Keep em coming. Be safe out there.
HD 96 with SE 255 cams. Marriage made in Heaven
I don't know how many miles you have on that cam, but keep an ear on that motor. The 255 is really hard on lifters, they will wipe them out. You see a lot of that on 110 CVO's, they come with the SE 255.
The 96" Twin Cam actually is a pretty good motor if you make a few upgrades to it. You would think a 103 inch twin cam, would make a bit more hp than the 96, but if you look at the Dyno charts its not the case. I remember back in 2008 I rode a friends 2007 Dyna Lowrider, with the 96 inch Twin Cam, and let him ride my 1200 XL I had at the time. He had a high flow air cleaner, and a pair of V&H slip ons. I had a Bassani Pro Street exhaust, and a SE high flow AC, and a Dyno Jet Tune we had about identical numbers on hp. He was dissapointed that the 96 inch TC didnt have more get up and go. I would say what really wakes these 96 inch motors up is the right pair of either S & S cams, or Woods (Andrews) cams, the right full exhaust, not slip ons, the proper tune is crucial, then you really want to wake it up havethose heads worked over. I am slightly againt running very high compression on street bikes, that you want to keep their reliabilty, and sreetable.
Great video Gixx, Ñever really considered a woods cam, but the mechanic told me "if it takes every penny you got, I can do it"
I installed s&s 551 cams, v&h pro pipe, power vision tuner on my 2007 Electra glide. Run strong pulled hard thru out the rpm. I'm extremely happy.
551 is a killer cam in a touring bike, pairing with the pro pipe l bet it pulls hard!
I love it, I don't need a big bore kit. This is enough power for cruising around .
It's really surprising the kinda power a good after market bolt in cam will make!
Thanks to this video I went with a Wood 555. Very happy with it.
I am thinking the same thing , doing that cam to my hog !!!
I went with the woods tw 222 cam. Let’s just say I was suprised when I rode it. With my stage one and stock cam I could snap the throttle and feel a pretty damn good pull around 25-3500 then it would power out and sound like I needed to shift ASAP or my engine was gonna blow around 4000 plus rpm. I got used to it I had about 10000k on that set up. When I rode the new cams I was suprised and disappointed to feel nothing at all. I rode the bike the way I rode it before and felt absolutely no different. I even called the mechanic just to see why that was. Anyways, it changed the way the bike rode. Where my power band used to end this one starts. So I started screaming up way higher in the rpm range and felt no sign of powering out right up to 5000 and I sounded healthy too. The tourque pulls very good to a nice slow and steady pull in the lower rpm range then up right everything kicks in and you are moving. So one thing to keep in mind with these cams is that they are a mid range cam but it feel like high rpm in a stock set up. So it threw me off. All in all very happy and highly recommended.
It's very important to look at where the cams come on and not just what the peak RPM's are. I am surprised you didn't have the low end you were looking for with the 222, they are supposed to put some more power down on the bottom end.
Your videos are fantastic and helpful. I got a 2008 96 twin cam with screaming eagle slips but don't have an air filter and tune yet . This video really got me thinking about what can be done before going nuts . Keep posting ,
I hear ya ... Me too.. Just trying to learn what to do ....
I sold both my FLSTC and my FLHRCI twin cams and bought a 1998 FLSTF. It is all stock except the Mustang seat and up graded exhaust it is all I need at my age.
That Evo is such a good motor, it's perfect for just laid back reliable cruising. It's got a sound and feel to it nothing else can match, reliably.
I just put a TW222 in my ‘07 Wide Glide, it seriously woke it up, I also have a PV tuner with a fuel moto flash for that cam. Very very satisfied with the results.
It's hard to beat that 222 in my opinion, it's got the power all through the rpm range.
My 97 Evo Fatboy with 22” Apes and another 200 lbs of gear, passing lights, bags custom passenger floorboards n hardware, beefed up the rear shock mounting hardware with a pair of 1/2” solid stainless steel bolts all the way through the frame with urethane bushings, drilled the frame n swing-arm’s weak links specifically the recessed 3/8” shoulder bolt threads to fit the big ole bolt, and hefty billet steel chrome risers with similar bolts drilled all the way through, (I rode it like it was an enduro, catch air, drift on the drive out of turn after backing it in and around) would catch and pass stage 2 (cams intake full exhaust, & tuned) 103’s riding solo while riding 2up with the bags full of new snap-on tools from the swap meet. Used to anger my friends who spent $2500-$3000 on upgrades and got passed by my pride n joy. (Sadly she was stolen, by a guy that called me “brother”) I have an 07 FLSTFI 96” pulls good with the baffles out-and a K&N filter element, pulls real good, I dont know the history of the bike, but I’m almost impressed!
S&S 583 non easy start.fueling lifters.stock heads.hi flow air.2 into 1 V&H upsweep in my 08 Superglide 96"
Dynajet power vision.
People in the know here in Adelaide Australia, told me they hated the cam choice with a passion.
It's so responsive and makes power from idle ,right through..
Because it drops off at the top end..who cares.! I don't ride at 180kmh..
I love the aggressive idle and throttle response is amazing
I'm loving the idea of that last Wood cam for my 2010 Street Glide
I have a 2000 FXDX with SE211 cams. I walk my buddies 2016 103" dyna any day of the week. My road glide has the 96" in it. Im stoked to add the cams!
I am looking for my first Harley touring bike, and this definitely convinced me that I will be happy with either a 96 or a 103 if I upgrade cams. Thanks a million!
Exactly what I was looking for!!!! The WOOD 222 is definitely the cam I've been looking for!!! Thanks for the great video once again brother!!!!
Thank you for watching, l am really a fan of that 222. It gains everywhere and it's bolt in!
@@GixxerFoo I'm just stunned at the HP and TORQUE gains just from bolting in the WOOD PERFORMANCE cans!!! My 2011 wide glide has 28,000 miles on it. Should I replace my valve springs, rockers while I'm installing the cam set? Thank you for responding to my post brother!!! Your videos are great and very informative!!! Keep them coming 🎸🎸🎸
With that kinda mileage, if it were me l would go ahead and put a new set of lifters in with the cam. Naturally you'll change the cam bearings with the cams. Depends who you talk to but some may say just bolt it in. The springs l wouldn't change, but definently the lifters since it's a contact point with the new cam.
@@GixxerFoo that's what I was thinking too. If I'm in there doin the work I might as well change out what needs replacing especially with 28,000 miles on it. Thank you for your response brother. It is greatly appreciated!!!!
Hey no problem, just depends who you talk to about what needs changed etc. Even though they have roller lifters, to me they are going to have some wear with contact on the old cam.
96s rule!!!!
You can get a nice 96 for a really reasonable price these days.
Just got back from Sturgis and I ride a snappy 07 street glide and I literally out ran all my buddies with 103s and a 114. I’m to the point now I don’t want a bigger motor. I’m thinkin more TLC, and engine shenanigans. Plus bragging rights of 60,000 miles smoking a new bike makes me feel good.
Agreed! By bro has 103 and we are literally neck to neck until 80ish. I have a k&n and v&h big radius 2 into 1. It honks for what it is!
Thank you for your helpful vid. I took the detail to my local HD service master and have set up the install of the TW 222. My 08 Flstc is in great condition but due to the added engine performance I have upgraded the front shocks with Progressive Monotube cartridge kit and the rear with the 422 set. Better stopping control. Took your advice to update the compensator as well as the clutch spring to handle the power. Also added a high performance oil pump. Thanks again!
Very welcome! That bike is gonna be a blast to ride with all the upgrades!
I have a 2011 Wide glide and my plan is Woods TW777 cams, push rods, and lifters from Fuel Moto. .03 head gasket, S&S valve springs. I've had great success with Chevy V8's in the past with this approach to avoid buying cams twice when I reach the final goal. In this case is a full on 107" build. I'm hoping to ride her for one season with the aforementioned upgrade with the stage one , ( V&H slip ons and Arlen Ness air cleaner ) until the winter of 2021 which is when I'll complete the build. I admire your knowledge and appreciate your info. which is why I subscribed. Your input will be welcomed.
Just starting my quest for improving a 09 Night Train I just bought. Thanks for a great video. I'm torn between the Wood 555 and 6-6.
What did you go with?
Gixxer, its been about 2 months since I planned my 96 twin cam upgrade. The work is completed and I have taken my wife on a few runs to check on the results. Here is a summary of the work: My 08 Flstc is in great condition but due to the added engine performance I upgraded the front shocks with Progressive Monotube cartridge kit and the rear with the 422 set. Heavy Duty Screaming Eagle clutch, compensator and cam plate with heavy duty oil pump added. I had a 2 into 1 Cobra installed with Arlen Ness Big sucker air filter and hidden breather.
The power difference is huge right off the line , wants to pull hard and at 2000 rpm starts to dig. At 3000 the engine is very forceful with major pull which stays on through to 5000 rpm. At 3000 rpm in 6'th gear 80 mph. A roll on at that level provided an immediate pull matched by the snarl of the exhaust and the pull through to 5000 RPM is brilliant. 2 up and overtaking is now safe and a breeze. The Heavy duty clutch is a great improvement. Better sweet spot feel. The progressive suspension provides much confidence in the twisties particularly 2 up where previously some "wallow" would be an issue. No brake dive and excellent tyre feel. The cam is the gem............turned my cruiser into a big fun Prowler....... Hot Rod!
I exchanged the stock tank speedo with a Koso Tach Speedo which has so many great features but the large RPM dial lets me easily track performance.
Thanks for all the solid help.
That is awesome to hear and I am glad you are enjoying it! You did great by taking it a step further with the suspension, clutch and internal engine upgrades! Not a lot of people do that so they really don't realize the full potential of the upgrades!
My mechanic refuses to install an S&S lol. Told me about Wood. But their site is terrible. Could not figure out what cam was right for my street glide. You made this super easy for me. Thank you buddy.
Glad I could help, yeah Bob Wood is not a web designer. Lol the site is like something from back in the 90's but he can sure design cams. Andrews grinds them to spec so you get Andrews quality built in.
@@GixxerFoo lol I'd written off Wood as a product I would get cause of the site. Your video cleared up everything for me.
Now just to find a way to get the cams over to cali.....
I own a 96 Street Glide 2009 and i'm more then happy with the power it's got. For me it's fast enough.
It was quite an improvement over the 88 in horsepower and torque, it makes it down low like the 88 did too.
Spot on staying 96 putting the triple 5's in got a Thunder header evolution clutch.
Had an 88 with the Bob woods 510 loved it. Had Vance Haines two in one race clutch Ignition and hot plugs. Hotrod.
If I had a 96” the only way I’d upgrade to a 103 is if it needed a rebuild and I would add some compression to it and cams of course. My bro in laws 96” street glide goes plenty good. It’s a slippery slope, I did cams in my 103 and then wanted more but held my horses and am now happy lol. When the time comes to rebuild then I’ll definitely do some upgrades like comp and like lily heads/head work, but till then I’m happy.
A lot of people get hung on the fence about putting money into a older Harley but compared to the price of a new one it makes sense. Doing some nice upgrades makes the bike unique and it will lay down some power you won't get for the price of a new one.
Gixxerfoo, are you aware that the new harleys come from the factory with the drive belts way to tight? My new 22 Street Glide Special only went 70 miles before the lower end started making a loud bearing howling noise. My boy picked up his new Street Glide St with 117ci yesterday and after 50 miles had rubber bits all over his pearl white bags. Plus he said he could hear a, rawl-rawl-rawl noise from the belt. Local stealer said it was tight to break in the belt? I call B.S. Been a mechanic all my life and have never seen any application where a rubber belt is way over tightened for any reason. On my 22, I backed that belt off right away and haven't heard a peep out of it sense. Would like to hear your thoughts?
That's interesting to hear, technically the dealer is supposed to check that before they go to the floor for sale.
Went down the cam rabbit hole… what’s the general consensus with woods cams for a dyna? Been on the fence between the 222 or 555
Redshift 527 fan here, another handful of passing without downshifting even riding 2 up.
Thay 527 is a strong cam! What RPM range are you running in?
As a diesel mechanic can I do this myself? Only thing holding me back is tuning it . Is it just a plug and play? Just looking for little more power and better sound. Thinking of replacing cams, oil pump, and gears
My suggestion if you don't have a local tuner, I'm not sponsored here but FuelMoto. You can order everything you need, plus get a power vision flash tuner with a FuelMoto custom tune for your setup preloaded so after install all you have to do is flash their tune to the bike. They have some really really good tunes they develop in house on their dyno.
I have a 07 stc with a 96. This seems like a cost effective way for easy piwer upgrade depending on which cam you pick. Thx for your great video showing all these options! R
Got a 09 Streetglide. Went from 76 hp 78 ft torque to 97 hp 101 ft torque just by doing cams. I put the Woods Night Prowler in.
Damn that's a huge jump! Wood is one awesome cam and it's Andrews quality as well!
What tune and exhaust do you have
@@JP-pl9mv I have Vance and Hines 2 into 1 pro pipe. The tune is a custom one that the dyno guru used at my local Harley dealer in Faribault MN.
I got a 2008 dyna super glide custom with the 96ci. Bought it with 22k miles. I put an arlen ness air cleaner, TBR turnout exhaust, and powervision tuner on it about a year ago.
I just put in andrews 48 cams at 26k miles. And WOW!!! It REALLY woke the bike up. Even with the base fuel moto map. I’m so glad I did a lot of homework before buying cams. The 103s come with an oil cooler and run hotter due to higher compression. 96s don’t have oil coolers. That’s what turned me off of going 103. I don’t want the bike running hot, leading to problems.
The shorty 2-1 exhausts have a nasty dip around 2.5-3.5k rpm. The andrews 48 cam picked that dip right up with strong power gains through the whole range. The curve is very flat and healthy now on the dyno 😝🤘🏼
This bike RIPS now and I just had it dyno’d at 95HP/104TQ. I’m very satisfied. I also had a compression / leakdown / crank runout test done prior to installing cams and the motor is happy and healthy. So now my mind is at ease too knowing the motor is good.
I have no need now to tear the motor apart and rebuild the top end so I can put in se 103” pistons and have my cylinders bored 😊 all that work and $1500-2000 for another 4-5hp / 6-8tq gain…..not worth it at all haha
I’ll stay with my 96, and I’ll never part with it because it was my first street bike / Harley 😊 this will be my cool guy “fxr” bike in 10-15 years 😅 then I’ll have the shiny brand new low rider s next to it, hopefully lol.
Wouldn't upgraded cams, transmission and automatic compression release be necessary? Not sure it's worth the expense when you can do a full stage1 upgrade to get similar results in HP.
Not with just a cam upgrade, it's going to add a lot of power but you wouldn't need compression releases or anything. A A high flow air cleaner and slip on exhaust with stock cams and a good tune will net you in the range of 5 horse give or take. You add a cam with that and you're looking at a 10 to 15 horsepower jump over stock.
I put the woods 222 in my 96 inch and the difference was night and day . The best move I ever did on my bike
That's one of the best cams across the board, some people say they are noisy which they can be. But a little noise with some more overlap is how you get that power.
Thanks for the upload! Think I may just cam mine and not worry about the 103 kit
Just a bolt in cam with good exhaust and a tune really wakes these bikes up!
Heard the 96's run hot, but thinking about buying one anyway. Assuming what is purchased has aftermarket pipes, would adding a cam increase heat from the already hot 96?
My 08 Fatbob:
V&H Bigshot Staggered
Arlene Ness Big Sucker air intake
Wood 575 cams
Powervision
Tuned by Jim Kennedy in Mattoon Illinois
93hp/103 torque
My 09 StreetGlide:
Screamin Eagle Street Performer 103 kit
10.5 to 1 pistons
Decked, flowed heads
Screamin Eagle 259e cams
V&H 2 into 1 pro pipe
K&N air intake
Powervision
Tuned at Coziahr HD in Decatur Illinois
92hp/102 torque.
Was very impressed with the 08 fxdf
Seriously disappointed in the 09 so
Gonna swap out the se cams for Wood 999 - 6A cams and going back to Jim Kennedy.
I’m running a 253 in my 88 I love it . It’s a cvo 103 cam . Absolutely the biggest lift cam you cam put in early 88 heads . Should done it long time ago. Did it while upgrading to hydraulic tensioners and screaming eagle oil pump. Them stock cams are epa cams !!! -
Oh yeah the stock cams are weak in those bikes, the 253 is a an awesome cam for a bolt in replacement.
Ok' as you might be able to see from my profile picture, that I have a Fatboy. As you can also see' it has a aftermarket air cleaner, and' V/H pipes. It sounds good, just with that, but' I'm wanting to get a different cam, for it. Without doing anything else to the motor. Just wondering what size cam would work great for my bike. I don't rev my bike to 6,000RPM. I usually change around 2500-3400. Unless I need to get onto the interstate. Then' I may go up to 3600-3800.
If it's a 96 or 103 the Wood TW555 would be great cam for that bike!
Gixxer... as always your videos are very informative.. but my question is what about the andrews cams in a 96? looking at RK's is why I ask!
You can't go wrong with Andrews, they are dang good cams. They actually grind the cams for Wood, Wood cams are just really hot improved Wood cams.
@@GixxerFoo thank you for your reply... Would the 37 or 48 be the better cam?
Hi mate, this is a great video well done. I recently installed S&SMR103 cams in my 2013 Softail standard 103 cube. The dyno results after tune were: max torque 106.77 at 3.37 rpm and max power 84.73 at 5.02 rpm.
I am happy with the mid range generally but am not happy with the throttle response from idle and the throttle response in the mid range. What should I do? Replace cams and start again? Put compression in? Or put 107 pistons in? Thanks
Took an 88 to 95. Used s&s 585 gear drive. Roll on in 3rd gear at 35 mph and spin the back tire in a dyna. It was fun. Glad to see you cam a 96. I always wanted to do that to mine. Life was to busy at the time. I now have an evo with a 640. Its fun too.
I would imagine that Evo is quite the strong running engime!
@West Coast I’m looking to change cams in my 2011 FXDC with the 96ci. I was recommended to go with the S&S 585s as well. I thought you needed higher compression for those cams? I really want to make mine a torque monster and make it snappy, vs making it faster I guess.
@@Billy-hx3zi they will work great. More compression would help create more power. I was told it was a waste when I did it. Think about it. You get more volume in. You are going to compress that in the same area. It will make more power. I did it before easy start cams came out. Not sold on the still.
@@Billy-hx3zi i also had to re-spring the valves for the lift. I absolutely loved the way it woke up the engine.
@@westcoast3595 good to know. Thanks man
My mentor Pat Lahey of High Gear out of Long beach, Cali always said go big cause you'll wish you did
That's very true, that old saying no replacement for displacement hold true as well. It's better to get it done with what you want the first time rather than go back a second time.
Great video! Sorry I’m late to the party but I am contemplating doing a stage 2 upgrade. I have a 2011 Street Bob 96” and did the stage 1 upgrade when I bought it brand new back in 2011. I put a SE high flow air cleaner, some Vance & Hines straight shots 2 into 2, and a good tune with a SE super tuner. Max HP of 69 at 5000 RPM and max torque of 86 at 3450 RPM. I suppose I didn’t get the best gains with the high flow air filter and not going with a 2 to 1 exhaust but I have been riding the bike like that for the last 12 years and it’s been a great bike. Finally thinking about stage 2 with a cam. I’m thinking a Woods 555 kit or a Fueling 543 kit. I like getting on her hard from start to high RPM so I think either of these cams would accomplish that. Which one should I go with and should I upgrade the high flow air cleaner with a heavy breather? Can I use the same SE super tuner when it’s all done to get a good tune on it? Finally, if I went with the Woods 555 do I need higher compression than my stock 96 can provide to get the best result. I think a cam could really make my Street Bob roar just getting some advice before doing it. Thanks!
Just upgraded today from a 883 spprty to a 96" roadking. I have a stage 1 kit. I think I would go with cams and other upgrades before I moved to a 103. There are lots of how to videos to do yourself.
Aftermarket cams really do a lot for a Harley, best part is they are really simple engines. Twin Cam is the most mostly complicated of the 45 degree twins. But that's not a saying much, get a official Harley service manual from the dealer. The Harley manual details ever single step down to the tools and the torque specs, it's the best investment you can make to pair with the how to videos. You can do it all yourself very easily, the service manual will line it all out in really good detail. My only issue is you have it tore apart down to the letter by the book, reassembly- reverse disassembly 😬.
Thanks for the info. I've got a 07 RG SE 103 kit thundermax tuner bassini road rage 3 .255 cam lacks ump . Woods... hope your watching I'll be buying.
Cheers from Canada
That Wood is gonna wake that bike up, it will feel like a new motorcycle!
Got that wood555 in my 2008 FLHRCI.. 2-1 pipe
She’s a little ripper
Pulls on a stock 103 all day
Great video on a very difficult topic. Where in the power / torque upgrade process do you recommend upgrading the Clutch to handle the added torque?
Awesome video I just installed the tw222 cams... what tunes do you recommend I'm running the power commander V but no dyno tuners in my area
I would contact Dyno Jet and see what is recommended for your setup, they will likely suggest upgrading to a flash tuner with that cam setup.
good afternoon. I have a 2010 dyna fat bob with the v&h 2-1 hi output short exhaust and high performance filter. What cam would you put on it without having to change lifters and pushrods..... and if you recommend changing them, which one would you put???
For a dyna with that setup I would with a Wood 555 and go back in with adjustable pushrods that way you don't have to disassemble the top end. A set of adjustable pushrods is a lot cheaper and easier than tearing down the top end. You'd for sure want to inspect your lifters for wear and marking, if they look good I would reuse them if you're under 10k miles. I would go with a one of the more inexpensive set of Jims lifters if it were me.
glad I found your video very informative. My 2011 heritage has screaming eagle 255 cams with a complete stock motor and just some slip ons and a big sucker air cleaner. Wanting to change out the 255's (never been to happy with these). What Woods cams do you recommend for this same setup (no changes except cam at this time ) 222 or 555. One up rider and just having fun with the bike as is. Thanks again
The 222 is great cam for more low end torque and very good top end, it's a great cam for a heavy bike. The 555 makes excellent horsepower and torque it just comes on a little later and runs out further, it's a great cam for a lot of Dyna riders.
That woods cam you first spoke of looks mighty tempting, but I would want to check run out before I go changing cams, cam bearings, cam plate etc to do the job right...and if I did all that and came out with good numbers I would be looking at gear driven
Gear drive is the way to go if you can swing the cost and your run out is good. The Wood cams are awesome, a little noisy compared to other cam though. But that's how the Wood makes the power with the overlap.
The TW6-6 has been updated to the TW7H for additional HP & TQ. Still a BOLT IN.
Just phenomenal info and production!!!
From Southern California ~ Ride Forever!
Im got a 96 with cams in it and its a good bike , but after trip across the states i want to upgrade it .
So im putting in a 107 kit with 10-1 compression and feuling 543 cams .
That will liven the party up for that bike
Hey great video. Like the numbers they just don't lie. I have a 2009 harley Road King and was looking for a set of cams to put on. After watching the video decided to go with the 222's. I am hearing alot about having to replace the compensator. What do you think? I figured that I would also need to upgrade the oil pump and cam plate while it's out. Look forward to more vids. Thanks again
Oh also wanted to add that I have Rinehart headers and pipes with a Kurykan hypercharger intake.
The 96's through 2009 were notorious for weak compensators, if you did have a failure my best suggestion would be a compensator eliminator from Dark Horse. It's a sprocket basically, but it has a built in cush drive which is also rebuildable! Really neat setup and eliminates the compensator issues all together. If you do end up replacing a compensator go with the Screamin Eagle, it's cheaper than the OEM unit and better.
I bought a 96 with a woods 222, 2 into 1 pro pipe, high flow intake, and power tune. Any idea hp torque numbers? The guy didn't give me the dyno numbers. 08 street glide
Great Video as always. I’m building a cholo style ‘09 deluxe. I’m purchasing the Fuel Motor standard 110 kit with level B heads. Updating with their adjustable clutch, new cam plate and gear driven. Also upgrading compensator and oil pump. Also going with manual adjustment output chain. I’m somewhat skeptical doing all this work due to the fact that I have Samson true dual fishtails with no crossover, but does have torque cones. . The cam has not been chosen at this point. What are your thoughts? Motor is completely stock with 10k miles.
Since you having your heads done with the level B you really have some cam options beyond just the bolt in cams. Fuel Moto is really big on the Wood cams since they produce serious power. Only draw back to Wood is they can be a bit noisy but it's the trade off for some power.
What about the fueling 574, in a stock 96. 2011 flh
That's a very strong cam, it comes on about 2500 but it runs out pretty good. With a good exhaust and tune you should see power in the mid 90's and torque close to 100 foot pounds.
I enjoyed your video .... do you have a cam review video for my 07 road king custom ... I had the stock 96ci converted over to the 110 when I first got it... I really would like to put a cam in it but I'm certainly no motor head. ..but I think I could figure out a bolt on ....right now I have the 110 conversion kit, 50mm throttle body, screaming eagle high flow cone filter, Rinehart true duels and thundermax tuner ... all the videos are for the 103. But I'd love to see one on 96 -110 cam selections
Thanks John m in Charleston SC
the difference in price between the woods 222 kit and just the cams is quite significant
which option would you go for and why?
should I get less miles per gallon?
thank you
Hi mate can you please do a review on the Twin Cam 103 best cam between S&S583, S&SMR103 and Woods TW222. Thanks
I think I'm going to go with the Wood TW999-6a. I keep hearing great things about it, and I know I'll increase in Cubes and Compression that will only make this cam better. 2 thumbs up!!
Thank you! That's a great cam to run stock and increase you're bore and or compression later.
@@GixxerFoo what are your thoughts on the cam plate. Are the stock plates adequate for say a stage 1 bike plus cams or would it be wise to go ahead and upgrade while you're in there?
There's nothing wrong with the stock setup and a good set of bearings, but it never hurts to be over built. I like the biller cam plates and high volume oil pumps. If you're willing to swing the extra cost l would go for it.
@@GixxerFoo thank ya thank ya, that's probably what I'll do. I always upgrade the oil pumps on my Shovels so I figured it would be cheap insurance for the dyna. Loving the videos!
Not a problem at all, l appreciate the support.
I just ordered the cr 570-2 cams for my 96. I've read a lot of great reviews on them in 103s. I hope they perform similar in the 96.
They do very well in the 96, naturally the 103 produces a bit more with the added displacement but the 96 is no slouch. It's typically about 5 horsepower and torque behind the 103 so with a 96 you should see mid to high 80's in horsepower and low to mid 90's in torque.
@GixxerFoo: Great video! Always very informative. How the Wood-222 compares with the S&S-551?
The 551 is great cam for low to mid range for a bolt in, the 222 tends to produce more horsepower and torque per given rpm though. The 222 revs out a bit further on top, but the 551 is going to be much quieter than the 222.
What 2 into 1, do you feel performs best, and sounds great?
Hi there. First love your channel and 2nd I have 2 bikes with stock 96ci engines and the hp sucks. I have new sets of se 255’s and tts 100’s. What are your thoughts on these. I want to put the tts 100’s in the bike I want to keep. I’d love to hear your thoughts?
Man your info and vibes are priceless
I have 103 jugs been bored to 107 was going to put the TW22 cams in it just wondering how it would turn out it's a '96 cubic inch engine right now 08 ultra classic
@GixxerFoo great Vid! Do I need a new clutch and oil pump with that stage I + cams? I mean the increase in hp alone is over 40%, thats a lot.
By just adding a cam set it's not 100% required although it's not a bad to add a clutch upgrade and a high volume oil pump. It really depends on how you ride and how many miles are on the bike. A heavy duty clutch spring isn't a bad idea, while adding cams if you can swing the extra for a billet cam plate and high volume oil pump it's an opportune time to get that done with the chest open.
Thanks dude exactly what I needed to see.
I'll be bolting some Wood cams in my 2008 FLHRC soon.
I have an 09 RK classic with upgraded airfliter and slip-in’s
Makes 71 HP and 83 TQ
I want more torque on low end to run with the guys on newer 103 and 107’s especially at Highway speed. I am in Texas and speed limits at 75 and even 80 with groups riding at close to 90.
Which TW cam recommend. I often do 3 day trips loaded with gear and a trunk
Current bike just runs out of power at those top speeds
I'd say you'd be hard pressed to beat the Wood TW-222 for that RK. The 222 makes a lot of all around power and it really bump you're horsepower and torque all over the RPM range.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you, wasn't sure if you might recommend the TW 555 or TW 6-6 over the 222
I just picked up a 2010 fatbob from copart for 3500 bucks dude. Needless to say I'm ecstatic as you can imagine. It only needs handle bar risers and that's literally it. It's got a ton of extras on it and it runs excellent. I'm digging that woods tw 222. I'm not familiar w the 96. What should one look out for with these? We know 88 tensioner failures. I know these don't have that issue. It's only got 20k on it also. Thanks in advance can't wait to try out a fat bob.
Congratulations on the new bike! Sounds like you got one heck of a deal for 3500! The 96 had some compensator failure issues, that was mainly for 2007 to 2009 models. After 2009 they seemed to have it straightened out. People complained about the 96 running hot, but that was the first year of very lean fuel injection factory tunes for the EPA. Once they are tuned with a after market tuner they are good to go. Wood cams really wake up that 96!
@@GixxerFoo thanks I like it so far.. awesome, it's got everything intake tuner exhaust I mean you name it. Only thing it doesn't have is a cam I'm guessing. Thanks for the info sir much appreciated. It was a damn good deal for sure.
@@parkersgarage4216 You're very welcome, anytime! FatBob is one of my favorite dynas, best handling twin cam dyna ever made.
@@GixxerFoo that's the exact reason why I bought it. I wanted to check out the handling of it. Have you ever ridden one before if so is it everything everyone says it is? I've read the fat bobs handle like nobody's business. I wanna put mids on it to turn it into an all out ripper. I didn't realize you gotta change the primary cover in order to do so. I'll try the forwards and see what happens. I wanna get taller shocks for the rear as well. It'll be a fun ripper regardless though for sure.
I like the numbers of the tw222, does s&s make a similar performing cam? I’m afraid to go with the tw222 with me not having compression releases so I was going to go s&s easy start
The TW-222 makes some really strong power, if you just doing a cam swap and not increasing compression the 222 will start just like the stock cam. But the closest thing to the Wood from S&S in the easy start would be the S&S .570.
@@GixxerFoo whenever I do the job I’m going to upgrade or do away with my compensator, what route would you recommend ?
Hi Gixxer. Thanks for all of your videos, they're informative and well done. I'm subscribed and watch them all. What's your take on stock head pipes with slipons (Samson ovals) for a cam upgrade? Worth it or are the stockers too restrictive? '07 Street Glide... Thanks again!
The issue with the touring bikes is you still have the catalytic converter in the head pipe. Just slip ons with a cam swap will give you a good power bump and better sound, but you won't get the highest horsepower due to the cat. On the other hand you will get some big torque with the cat in there. The stock harley header is actually really good, it's just that cat in the head pipe on the touring models that holds the horsepower back.
@@GixxerFoo Thanks again. I've swatches the web for that info!
Hey man, love your channel. Are Andrew's 57H cams good?....and are they a good match for wiseco forged pistons with ported heads? My end compression after those upgrades is gonna be 10.5 -1 or 10-1 , one of those...so my mechanic put the Andrew's cams in first, said was a good all round cam, along with a bassanin rr3 stainless. My bike is 2003 cvo ann. Road king...the cams and pipe was first, now were doing the pistons, bore and hone and ported heads. He told me thatll all mesh well together and make good power. Whats your honest opinions and thoughts of this kind of build...also a power commander 5. I wanted a power vision but he told me a pc5 will tune it fine. What you think about that also?.....any advice you can give me will be well received.....thanks man
It sounds like he's got you a nice setup especially since you're doing the heads and upping the compression. Just good dyno tune and you'll be all set, don't leave any power on the table after all that work.
Thanks for responding...
Not a problem at all, always happy to help out.
Great informative video! In all honesty what else do I need to replace when installing cams on my 13fxdb with 22k miles? Them Woods 222 cams are exactly what I've been looking for, thanks!
For a basic install with bolt in cams I would plan on a rocker box gasket kit and of course your cam cover gasket. With 22k miles just for peace of mind I would go ahead put a new set of tensioner shoes in need it or not. They are good for up to 40k but may as well while you're there. That's the bare minimum to get a new cam, I personally like to get some lifters and cam bearings which isn't necessary per say but it's a while you're in there might as well. It's a great time upgrade the cam plate if you want to as well with a new high voulume oil pump too. Don't have to, but it's cheaper to do it now while the bike is apart then go back later.
I have a 96 inch Dyna and have been thinking about the S.E 255 cam. After watching your video I think the Woods 555 is the way to go. The power curves are similar and i can probably get away with the S.E 255 fuel map and not flag digital tech.
You'll get way more out of the Wood cam, the Wood 555 is an awesome Dyna cam!
I’m buying a 2011 fat boy 96ci that already has a 255 cam in it and wondering if this is a good setup? Reliability is most important to me and I like extra low end torque.
Screamin Eagle cams are going to be pretty mild, the 255 is what is used in the CVO bikes. It's a good cam for low to mid range power and it's not hard on the valve train at all.
@@GixxerFoo that’s great to hear.
I'm leaning towards one of the woods, what is your opinion on changing the lifters when changing cams? I seem to be finding 50/50 for yes or no. Some say you always should, others say with rolling lifters it's not necessary, though my bike is at 20,000 miles so maybe so.
I've got the same answers myself over the years with roller lifters. My honest opinion is you've got a wear pattern from the old cam, new parts wear out old. I prefer to change the lifters myself if they have over 5k miles with a new cam. Just me though, others will reuse them.
Great video just what I needed to help make a decision. I am gonna do the TW 222 cams in my 09 street glide 96 in motor, will also put on D and D 2 into 1 Fat Cat ( I already have a K and N filter) and getting it tuned. Do I need to do adjustable push rods also ?
I assume you meant push rods, adjustable push rods are required with the wood cams. You might consider new lifters, not a total have to thing but just something I prefer when installing a new cam.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you sir, and yes I meant new lifters and adjustable push rods.
@GixxerFoo I’m looking to get some cams swapped out next month. My Indy shop recommended the S&S 585s for my 96ci dyna super glide custom. I feel like I might not be happy with those, but they say they’re really good cams and really rip in higher rpms. He says the dynas have pretty good torque down low as it is and that they normally recommend a cam that comes on later in the power range. He also says the Woods cams are kinda noisy and people complain about that. I’m no professional but from all the videos and research I’ve done I feel like I’d be better off with more of a torque cam. With my thunderheader, high flow air filter, and power vision tuner I feel like I’ll be good to go after the cam swap.
Your Indy shop is right, the 585 is a great cam it just comes on a little later and runs out longer. Just really look at where you ride, do you even get into the higher RPM range above 5000? Wood cams are noisy due to their aggressive grind so you will have more valve train noise. You've got all the right supporting components to make a cam pull hard. If you don't run out the higher RPM range you'd be happier with a low to mid range cam, and on a Dyna that will just build on the power that's already in that range.
@@GixxerFoo I do wind the gears out to the redline a lot but I don’t hold the speed out that long either, so I’m torn on what to get. I really want it to just be more responsive all the way around
What do you mean when you say great cam, yada, yada, with a good tune? What do you mean by the phrase "good tune"?
Canned tunes with an auto tune aren't too bad, but a good tune is going to a qualified dyno shop. Getting it on a dyno and having a tuner really dial it in that makes all the difference.
Woods 222 vs 555 for a stage 1 96? Cant decide which id like more. Also curious how a 222 would be if I decided to go big bore in the future.
The rule of thumb between those two cams in general is 222 for touring (maybe softail), 555 for the Dyna. That doesn't apply to everyone but most prefer a 555 in the Dyna with it being lighter it doesn't need as much low end torque and most people prefer the way the 555 revs out in those bikes. Touring being heavier you want the extra torque in the low and mid range but you're not so worried about the top end performance. It comes down to where you ride the most and where you want that power to be available to you at.
Do you know anything about the star racing 577 cams? Ive been talking to George Bryce about them and he’s about got me sold on them.
Thank you for your vids, entertaining and informative. I have an '07 96" FXDL that I bought 2 yrs ago used with less than 14k in the clock. I have since added S&S air, Bassani Road Rage III SS and a tuner. Also did some updating in the primary and finally installed the TW-222 cams along with a SE oil pump. For the way I ride this bike really puts a smile on my face. It's not the biggest or baddest, but it sure as hell is a blast to ride, and I still have some coin in my pocket.
Low Rider is one of my favorite bikes, l bet it runs damn good being lighter with all that work done!
I've watched all of your TC videos (and more), and am wondering what needs to be done to the rest of the drivetrain to support the increased HP and TQ. Thoughts? Did I miss a video? I have a 2007 FLHX and am considering cams, then possibly a big bore upgrade.
What about Andrews 48h?
Do you think the wood cam would work with a 110 conversion?
The bolt in cams work great with 110 conversions, especially with a little added compression. The Wood bolt ins really are under rated and when they have some compression added they really come to life.
96 twin cam in a 2010 Road King coming up on 50k miles. When doing cams does anything else need to be upgraded? Bearings, higher capacity oil pump, compensator, cam plate, etc. I'm also planning on doing a cat delete and running with a Fuelpak tuner. This bike is a daily rider for around town and on the freeway and needs to be dead reliable. Really want to avoid the trap of having new parts that wear out older parts and REALLY don't want to end up pushing it.
For me and the way I ride there's probably no point in moving to a higher displacement.
A new cam kit will come with some bearings, definently want to.change those. Upgrading the cam plate, new lifters and oil pump is a great idea, and this would be the time to do it. It's not totally necessary though. The compensators are known to go out on the 96, but l wouldn't worry about it unless you have an issue. Just don't go back with OEM, at least replace with the Screamin Eagle.
Yep, my comp went at 40k. Went with SE.