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- The Twin Cam 96 is very popular on the used market, they are cheaper than the 103's and they are plentiful. But the 96 can be lacking in power compared to the 103 even with a good stage 1 setup. Replacing your stock cams with bolt in aftermarket cams will bring the performance of the 96 inline with the 103. Not just a stock 103 but a cammed 103, the difference really isn't that much and it's a lot more cost effective than a big bore conversion.
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Would you convert your 96 to a 103 or add one of these aftermarket cam sets?
Why not both?
Great vid man. Liked and Subbed. Been waiting for this one. To get a 96" to over 100tq and very near on 100hp just out of just a Stage 2 cam swap is VERY impressive! For me though if I was going to go to the expense of new pistons and jugs, I'd personally not muck around and go straight to the top shelf 110" SE drop ins. But then you'd need a whole different cam set again. I'm on a Rocker C 96" Stage 1 with 2 into 2 Freedom Amendments.
Cost mainly, a cam can be done for way cheaper than a full kit.
Thank you! It really is cheaper in the long run to go for it all at once, expensive upfront though.
Do you have any info on SE-211 cams? I have them in my 07 street bob I recently purchased with 103 kit, a/c and full exhaust. Just not much info out there on them. Seem like an old product. Great videos by the way.
I just picked up a 07 Dyna low that is pretty much totally stock as far as I can tell, just slip ons. Has a lot of miles on it at 70,000. No noise, or smoke. Anyway. This winter it’s getting built. Not sure if I’m going 110 or 107, but pretty much decided on the cam, feeling 574. Have a DK custom 606 intake and an fp3 on the way. Hopefully my crank is good enough shape to use. Love your videos! Great information and ideas. Keep em coming. Be safe out there.
I had a 2011 Fatboy with the 96 in it. I upgraded the cams to the Andrews 48H. I went with the Vance & Hines Big Shots. I upgraded the intake/air cleaner as well. Which one it was exactly, I can't remember. After a dyno tune, it REALLY woke it up and also let it run cooler. On the way home from the tuner, I was at a light. I let out the clutch and was not paying attention as I gave it some throttle. The handlebars almost ran away from me! I miss that bike!
Those Andrews 48s are no joke. I had some in a “96” you couldn’t give me a 103 over that little motor. 😊
I bought a 2011 Fat Boy early this year. I came to this video because I didn’t know if the 96 was worth tuning or if I should buy a bike with a M8. It sounds like I’ll be tuning the 96 after reading this comment
My mentor Pat Lahey of High Gear out of Long beach, Cali always said go big cause you'll wish you did
That's very true, that old saying no replacement for displacement hold true as well. It's better to get it done with what you want the first time rather than go back a second time.
I have a 08 heritage 105yr anniversary. 96ci. V&H true duals, looking for recommendations on a good A/C, tuner, and cam selection to wake it up. Plus what other modifications to support the cam for better longevity and reliability. Any advice?
Any high flow aftermarket air cleaner is pretty good if you're just doing a cam and exhaust, you can really pick anyone that fits your style. Power Vision gonna be the best way to go with adding a cam to your bike for a tuner, the Wood 222 is one of the best all around cams out there for a bolt in.
I do ride with a passenger about half the time. I'd really like a cam that will give me a good increase across the board. I'm going to leave the V&H true dual exhaust. Just going to do a cam, A/C, and a tune. Any idea what kind of horsepower and torque that woods 222 would make?
Do you think the wood cam would work with a 110 conversion?
The bolt in cams work great with 110 conversions, especially with a little added compression. The Wood bolt ins really are under rated and when they have some compression added they really come to life.
What would be a good cam set for my 06 Road King with a 88? I have true dual Vance and Haines to 36 inch fish tails and power vision tuner.
I have a video for cams on the 88 dropping Friday, but l would check out a S&S 509 or Wood TW-6.
@@GixxerFoo sweet!! thanks man.
Not a problem, anytime
Cams , inexpensive tourney and HP
HD 96 with SE 255 cams. Marriage made in Heaven
I don't know how many miles you have on that cam, but keep an ear on that motor. The 255 is really hard on lifters, they will wipe them out. You see a lot of that on 110 CVO's, they come with the SE 255.
On my 2007 Dyna 96" I went with the Feuling 543 Reaper cam and SuperTrapp Supermeg pipes. I already had a K&N a/c. My gas mileage was bad. I travel a lot. I tried different tunes with my FP3 tuner but it didn't help much. I recently had it dyno'd with a Power Vision map. It made 95.48 hp and 104.93 torque. My freeway mpg is 47.
I have to say something here, and I am trying to help people out, and prevent them from throwing their money away! You do not need a ton of horsepower just to " keep up" with people. After you get a good feel for the bike, and got some miles under your belt, you will more than likely want more than the factory horsepower of either the Twin Cam 88, and 96/103. But you do not need to break the bank unless you are planning on like racing. A good free flowing exhaust, high flow air cleaner, a good tuner or jet kit, and the right pair of either S & S or the Wood Cams, and you have some decent power. You will have enough where it passes well, has good throttle response, and can keep up with the pack. But yet it won't be so powerful where it feels like it will run out from under you.
You are right about that!! I actually do just fine, considering the fact that I don't ride my bike, like a bat out hell style anyway. I just enjoy a simple ride, and it only has 25,000 miles on it right now.
I bought a 96 with a woods 222, 2 into 1 pro pipe, high flow intake, and power tune. Any idea hp torque numbers? The guy didn't give me the dyno numbers. 08 street glide
96s rule!!!!
You can get a nice 96 for a really reasonable price these days.
Just got back from Sturgis and I ride a snappy 07 street glide and I literally out ran all my buddies with 103s and a 114. I’m to the point now I don’t want a bigger motor. I’m thinkin more TLC, and engine shenanigans. Plus bragging rights of 60,000 miles smoking a new bike makes me feel good.
Agreed! By bro has 103 and we are literally neck to neck until 80ish. I have a k&n and v&h big radius 2 into 1. It honks for what it is!
Appreciate your videos my man!!
96ci FLHRC and I went with the Wood TW6-6. Heavy breather, V&H X and slip ons, Fuel Pak custom tune. Makes very noticable power💪🏾 The Harley techs didn't do these cams much but were highly impressed. My King now looks, sounds, AND performs incredible!! Thanks!!!!
Thank you, I appreciate it! That is awesome to hear you got that bike just right! It's hard to beat a wood cam!
what I have learned over the years with all HD engines from a knuckle to TC or a sporty is that they dont FLOW well. The HP is hidden in the heads sort of. Have it put on a flow bench. Then couple that with cams or Carb or EFI remap. and exhaust. You can easily make 100 plus HP this way. No need for a bigger engine. If ya got a nice ol skool though Strokers are fun until they blow up. And they do blow up. In the old days there were no big bore kits ect. We made stroker plates. Chamfered the bottom end to accept the longer rods without having them slam into the cases. Then there were guys like Ron Trock putting big twin top ends on ironhead bottoms! Shovesters. pansters. knucksters. Back then 89 inch engines were HUGE.
That's the way to go is just get the air flowing through the motor. They push these big inch kits today but a hot 103 will crush a lot of the big bore engines.
Went down the cam rabbit hole… what’s the general consensus with woods cams for a dyna? Been on the fence between the 222 or 555
I installed an S&S 551 easy start cam & S&S 2-1-2 header on an ‘08 96 ci twin cam and had similar results. A very noticeable improvement.
That's awesome, those easy start cams are really nice. Eliminates the need for compression releases too, unless you've got some extremely crazy pistons in there.
i did the same to my 2007 electra glide classic. i gain 20+hp 20+tq👍👍
What cam would you recommend for a 103 bagger with slip ons and tuner. Looking for roll on torque/power...thanks
@@troyemery9888 I chose the S&S brand for the easy start feature of the cams & from all video research I did the S&S oil pump had the largest passages for oil...provides significantly greater pressure at idle, no more 2-3 psi...more like 8-10...saving $ for big bore kit & head work.
Im impressed with the S&S 551 easy start, nice low end post from basically idle to 4000 rpm
Ok' as you might be able to see from my profile picture, that I have a Fatboy. As you can also see' it has a aftermarket air cleaner, and' V/H pipes. It sounds good, just with that, but' I'm wanting to get a different cam, for it. Without doing anything else to the motor. Just wondering what size cam would work great for my bike. I don't rev my bike to 6,000RPM. I usually change around 2500-3400. Unless I need to get onto the interstate. Then' I may go up to 3600-3800.
If it's a 96 or 103 the Wood TW555 would be great cam for that bike!
I have a Wood 222 with slip ons, true dual and K&N and dynatune. Really woke it up! couple of things: be sure to include an upgraded cam plate and oil flow with it to keep the engine reliable. I considered a 107, but my RK is pushing 50k miles and the extra CIs will blow the lower case seals, etc. I thinks thats all I can do to my 96.
A 222 on a 96 works really well, and like you said it's not a bad idea at all to upgrade the cam plate.
Wouldn't upgraded cams, transmission and automatic compression release be necessary? Not sure it's worth the expense when you can do a full stage1 upgrade to get similar results in HP.
Not with just a cam upgrade, it's going to add a lot of power but you wouldn't need compression releases or anything. A A high flow air cleaner and slip on exhaust with stock cams and a good tune will net you in the range of 5 horse give or take. You add a cam with that and you're looking at a 10 to 15 horsepower jump over stock.
As a diesel mechanic can I do this myself? Only thing holding me back is tuning it . Is it just a plug and play? Just looking for little more power and better sound. Thinking of replacing cams, oil pump, and gears
My suggestion if you don't have a local tuner, I'm not sponsored here but FuelMoto. You can order everything you need, plus get a power vision flash tuner with a FuelMoto custom tune for your setup preloaded so after install all you have to do is flash their tune to the bike. They have some really really good tunes they develop in house on their dyno.
Gixxerfoo, are you aware that the new harleys come from the factory with the drive belts way to tight? My new 22 Street Glide Special only went 70 miles before the lower end started making a loud bearing howling noise. My boy picked up his new Street Glide St with 117ci yesterday and after 50 miles had rubber bits all over his pearl white bags. Plus he said he could hear a, rawl-rawl-rawl noise from the belt. Local stealer said it was tight to break in the belt? I call B.S. Been a mechanic all my life and have never seen any application where a rubber belt is way over tightened for any reason. On my 22, I backed that belt off right away and haven't heard a peep out of it sense. Would like to hear your thoughts?
That's interesting to hear, technically the dealer is supposed to check that before they go to the floor for sale.
Would think single would allow more air flow than a 2 into 1
What about the fueling 574, in a stock 96. 2011 flh
That's a very strong cam, it comes on about 2500 but it runs out pretty good. With a good exhaust and tune you should see power in the mid 90's and torque close to 100 foot pounds.
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If I could go back in time I would have purchased a Wood cam. However, the SE 255 with a High Flow air intake and a D&D Fat Cat 2 into 1 exhaust produced 101 lb of torque and 95 Hp with a good Dyno tune. The torque rolled off at about 5k and my normal riding RPM wasn’t more than that plus I had enough torque at highway speed for passing. I was happy with it for many years. Then I paid off my bike and started thinking of adding a big bore kit.
good afternoon. I have a 2010 dyna fat bob with the v&h 2-1 hi output short exhaust and high performance filter. What cam would you put on it without having to change lifters and pushrods..... and if you recommend changing them, which one would you put???
For a dyna with that setup I would with a Wood 555 and go back in with adjustable pushrods that way you don't have to disassemble the top end. A set of adjustable pushrods is a lot cheaper and easier than tearing down the top end. You'd for sure want to inspect your lifters for wear and marking, if they look good I would reuse them if you're under 10k miles. I would go with a one of the more inexpensive set of Jims lifters if it were me.
Gixxer... as always your videos are very informative.. but my question is what about the andrews cams in a 96? looking at RK's is why I ask!
You can't go wrong with Andrews, they are dang good cams. They actually grind the cams for Wood, Wood cams are just really hot improved Wood cams.
@@GixxerFoo thank you for your reply... Would the 37 or 48 be the better cam?
What do you mean when you say great cam, yada, yada, with a good tune? What do you mean by the phrase "good tune"?
Canned tunes with an auto tune aren't too bad, but a good tune is going to a qualified dyno shop. Getting it on a dyno and having a tuner really dial it in that makes all the difference.
Could you do the same video with the EVO 80” 1340 pleasssseee!!!
Bey the way love your video’s greetings from the Netherlands!
Thank you! I appreciate it! I will take a look st the Evo, l am working on the 88 right now.
@@GixxerFoo that would be greet!
I just bought a Electra glide stand. with carb. From 97’ as a winter project, so the cams are do for feb.
But thank you for your reactions 👍🏻👊🏻👊🏻
Keep up the good content!
I appreciate it! That Evo is a really engine, l talked about the Screamin Eagle cam in my Evo video. The aftermarket Evo cams will do what the stage 3 from Screamin Eagle produces.
86 and 94 out of an 80 inch?? What all do you have done to her? That's some strong numbers.
I went with the woods tw 222 cam. Let’s just say I was suprised when I rode it. With my stage one and stock cam I could snap the throttle and feel a pretty damn good pull around 25-3500 then it would power out and sound like I needed to shift ASAP or my engine was gonna blow around 4000 plus rpm. I got used to it I had about 10000k on that set up. When I rode the new cams I was suprised and disappointed to feel nothing at all. I rode the bike the way I rode it before and felt absolutely no different. I even called the mechanic just to see why that was. Anyways, it changed the way the bike rode. Where my power band used to end this one starts. So I started screaming up way higher in the rpm range and felt no sign of powering out right up to 5000 and I sounded healthy too. The tourque pulls very good to a nice slow and steady pull in the lower rpm range then up right everything kicks in and you are moving. So one thing to keep in mind with these cams is that they are a mid range cam but it feel like high rpm in a stock set up. So it threw me off. All in all very happy and highly recommended.
It's very important to look at where the cams come on and not just what the peak RPM's are. I am surprised you didn't have the low end you were looking for with the 222, they are supposed to put some more power down on the bottom end.
Your videos are fantastic and helpful. I got a 2008 96 twin cam with screaming eagle slips but don't have an air filter and tune yet . This video really got me thinking about what can be done before going nuts . Keep posting ,
I hear ya ... Me too.. Just trying to learn what to do ....
Im just going to keep riding my stage 1 as loooonnggg as she's putting out and when she does I'll just buy a ultima el bruto for $4k with about 130hp and 130tq
There you go, crate motors are the way to fly especially when you start comparing costs of rebuilding.
I sold both my FLSTC and my FLHRCI twin cams and bought a 1998 FLSTF. It is all stock except the Mustang seat and up graded exhaust it is all I need at my age.
That Evo is such a good motor, it's perfect for just laid back reliable cruising. It's got a sound and feel to it nothing else can match, reliably.
FYI, 5k can get you a zx10r with 180hp that will do over 100mph in 1st gear
I'm in the process of buying a 09 Super Glide 96" and of course I'm already looking at modifications for hp. MAN I am glad I found your channel. I'm 67 and on a tight budget so this particular video NAILED IT!!! Thanks Brother, I subscribed and hit the like. I will be checking out ALL of your videos out. Wood's for the big grin factor. Never grow old 👍👍
Thank you, I appreciate the like and the subscription too! A cam set goes a long way in the Twin Cam engine, especially with Wood. Wood can be noisy but it's worth the power! I've got a lot of twin cam videos covering all kinds of big bore kits and performance mods over a wide budget range.
My 97 Evo Fatboy with 22” Apes and another 200 lbs of gear, passing lights, bags custom passenger floorboards n hardware, beefed up the rear shock mounting hardware with a pair of 1/2” solid stainless steel bolts all the way through the frame with urethane bushings, drilled the frame n swing-arm’s weak links specifically the recessed 3/8” shoulder bolt threads to fit the big ole bolt, and hefty billet steel chrome risers with similar bolts drilled all the way through, (I rode it like it was an enduro, catch air, drift on the drive out of turn after backing it in and around) would catch and pass stage 2 (cams intake full exhaust, & tuned) 103’s riding solo while riding 2up with the bags full of new snap-on tools from the swap meet. Used to anger my friends who spent $2500-$3000 on upgrades and got passed by my pride n joy. (Sadly she was stolen, by a guy that called me “brother”) I have an 07 FLSTFI 96” pulls good with the baffles out-and a K&N filter element, pulls real good, I dont know the history of the bike, but I’m almost impressed!
Thanks for the upload! Think I may just cam mine and not worry about the 103 kit
Just a bolt in cam with good exhaust and a tune really wakes these bikes up!
The 96" Twin Cam actually is a pretty good motor if you make a few upgrades to it. You would think a 103 inch twin cam, would make a bit more hp than the 96, but if you look at the Dyno charts its not the case. I remember back in 2008 I rode a friends 2007 Dyna Lowrider, with the 96 inch Twin Cam, and let him ride my 1200 XL I had at the time. He had a high flow air cleaner, and a pair of V&H slip ons. I had a Bassani Pro Street exhaust, and a SE high flow AC, and a Dyno Jet Tune we had about identical numbers on hp. He was dissapointed that the 96 inch TC didnt have more get up and go. I would say what really wakes these 96 inch motors up is the right pair of either S & S cams, or Woods (Andrews) cams, the right full exhaust, not slip ons, the proper tune is crucial, then you really want to wake it up havethose heads worked over. I am slightly againt running very high compression on street bikes, that you want to keep their reliabilty, and sreetable.
Hi mate can you please do a review on the Twin Cam 103 best cam between S&S583, S&SMR103 and Woods TW222. Thanks
Exactly what I was looking for!!!! The WOOD 222 is definitely the cam I've been looking for!!! Thanks for the great video once again brother!!!!
Thank you for watching, l am really a fan of that 222. It gains everywhere and it's bolt in!
@@GixxerFoo I'm just stunned at the HP and TORQUE gains just from bolting in the WOOD PERFORMANCE cans!!! My 2011 wide glide has 28,000 miles on it. Should I replace my valve springs, rockers while I'm installing the cam set? Thank you for responding to my post brother!!! Your videos are great and very informative!!! Keep them coming 🎸🎸🎸
With that kinda mileage, if it were me l would go ahead and put a new set of lifters in with the cam. Naturally you'll change the cam bearings with the cams. Depends who you talk to but some may say just bolt it in. The springs l wouldn't change, but definently the lifters since it's a contact point with the new cam.
@@GixxerFoo that's what I was thinking too. If I'm in there doin the work I might as well change out what needs replacing especially with 28,000 miles on it. Thank you for your response brother. It is greatly appreciated!!!!
Hey no problem, just depends who you talk to about what needs changed etc. Even though they have roller lifters, to me they are going to have some wear with contact on the old cam.
Hi mate, this is a great video well done. I recently installed S&SMR103 cams in my 2013 Softail standard 103 cube. The dyno results after tune were: max torque 106.77 at 3.37 rpm and max power 84.73 at 5.02 rpm.
I am happy with the mid range generally but am not happy with the throttle response from idle and the throttle response in the mid range. What should I do? Replace cams and start again? Put compression in? Or put 107 pistons in? Thanks
Do you know anything about the star racing 577 cams? Ive been talking to George Bryce about them and he’s about got me sold on them.
Im got a 96 with cams in it and its a good bike , but after trip across the states i want to upgrade it .
So im putting in a 107 kit with 10-1 compression and feuling 543 cams .
That will liven the party up for that bike
What about like a s&s 585 in a 96 with a 2-1 and high flow air cleaner? I’ve heard the 585 is a good bolt in for torque you can roll on with some decent HP gains anyone have thoughts on this? If not I will report back I have my cams on order with this exact set up
S&S 583 non easy start.fueling lifters.stock heads.hi flow air.2 into 1 V&H upsweep in my 08 Superglide 96"
Dynajet power vision.
People in the know here in Adelaide Australia, told me they hated the cam choice with a passion.
It's so responsive and makes power from idle ,right through..
Because it drops off at the top end..who cares.! I don't ride at 180kmh..
I love the aggressive idle and throttle response is amazing
Hello I was wondering if I put wood777 in a 96 and a 30 tooth front spoket if it would run good it will be done in a street glide thanks
That 777 is gonna make a world of difference in your Twin Cam, it's gonna have power everywhere and feel like a whole new bike!
I own a 96 Street Glide 2009 and i'm more then happy with the power it's got. For me it's fast enough.
It was quite an improvement over the 88 in horsepower and torque, it makes it down low like the 88 did too.
You wouldn't have change. Push rod may be. Cam plate. Snd oil pump.
Just upgraded today from a 883 spprty to a 96" roadking. I have a stage 1 kit. I think I would go with cams and other upgrades before I moved to a 103. There are lots of how to videos to do yourself.
Aftermarket cams really do a lot for a Harley, best part is they are really simple engines. Twin Cam is the most mostly complicated of the 45 degree twins. But that's not a saying much, get a official Harley service manual from the dealer. The Harley manual details ever single step down to the tools and the torque specs, it's the best investment you can make to pair with the how to videos. You can do it all yourself very easily, the service manual will line it all out in really good detail. My only issue is you have it tore apart down to the letter by the book, reassembly- reverse disassembly 😬.
Wood 555
I just put a TW222 in my ‘07 Wide Glide, it seriously woke it up, I also have a PV tuner with a fuel moto flash for that cam. Very very satisfied with the results.
It's hard to beat that 222 in my opinion, it's got the power all through the rpm range.
I have a 2000 FXDX with SE211 cams. I walk my buddies 2016 103" dyna any day of the week. My road glide has the 96" in it. Im stoked to add the cams!
Great video Gixx, Ñever really considered a woods cam, but the mechanic told me "if it takes every penny you got, I can do it"
I have a 2011 Wide glide and my plan is Woods TW777 cams, push rods, and lifters from Fuel Moto. .03 head gasket, S&S valve springs. I've had great success with Chevy V8's in the past with this approach to avoid buying cams twice when I reach the final goal. In this case is a full on 107" build. I'm hoping to ride her for one season with the aforementioned upgrade with the stage one , ( V&H slip ons and Arlen Ness air cleaner ) until the winter of 2021 which is when I'll complete the build. I admire your knowledge and appreciate your info. which is why I subscribed. Your input will be welcomed.
I like the numbers of the tw222, does s&s make a similar performing cam? I’m afraid to go with the tw222 with me not having compression releases so I was going to go s&s easy start
The TW-222 makes some really strong power, if you just doing a cam swap and not increasing compression the 222 will start just like the stock cam. But the closest thing to the Wood from S&S in the easy start would be the S&S .570.
@@GixxerFoo whenever I do the job I’m going to upgrade or do away with my compensator, what route would you recommend ?
Só...about the reaper 543 in the dyna vs bagger...
This HP difference is due to 3.93gps vs 4.3gps fuel injetor???
Replace the fue injector and will i get almost 100hp ??
Not necessarily with the 96 inch engine, you'd really need a displacement increase to get closer to 100 horse mark. Generally the 103's will get to 100 horsepower just due to the increased displacement.
How do the 543 fueling reapers compare to the woods tw 222 in a 2013 103
I have a 96 , stage 1 , s & s header pipes , rinehart slip ons , Andrew 48h , 30 tooth tranny pully ,
6.6. Wood. I need. Hp. Oil.pump... and inner bears and outer bearing. As well.
Got a 09 Streetglide. Went from 76 hp 78 ft torque to 97 hp 101 ft torque just by doing cams. I put the Woods Night Prowler in.
Damn that's a huge jump! Wood is one awesome cam and it's Andrews quality as well!
What tune and exhaust do you have
@@JP-pl9mv I have Vance and Hines 2 into 1 pro pipe. The tune is a custom one that the dyno guru used at my local Harley dealer in Faribault MN.
Thank you for your helpful vid. I took the detail to my local HD service master and have set up the install of the TW 222. My 08 Flstc is in great condition but due to the added engine performance I have upgraded the front shocks with Progressive Monotube cartridge kit and the rear with the 422 set. Better stopping control. Took your advice to update the compensator as well as the clutch spring to handle the power. Also added a high performance oil pump. Thanks again!
Very welcome! That bike is gonna be a blast to ride with all the upgrades!
I’d go with a vtx 1800 and just ride it and pass all the Harley’s
Redshift 527 fan here, another handful of passing without downshifting even riding 2 up.
Thay 527 is a strong cam! What RPM range are you running in?
How would the woods tw 777 on a 96 motor road king
OK just read that tw 777 are just a little to big need some motor work so the tw 6-6 would be good so you can run out every gear on that camm right I do a lot of highway driving
I have a 96 with a 103 big bore and a Screamin Eagle 255 cam looking to upgrade my cam what would you recommend?
If you're looking for great all around power the Wood TW-222 is an awesome cam.
Just starting my quest for improving a 09 Night Train I just bought. Thanks for a great video. I'm torn between the Wood 555 and 6-6.
What did you go with?
Woods 222 vs 555 for a stage 1 96? Cant decide which id like more. Also curious how a 222 would be if I decided to go big bore in the future.
The rule of thumb between those two cams in general is 222 for touring (maybe softail), 555 for the Dyna. That doesn't apply to everyone but most prefer a 555 in the Dyna with it being lighter it doesn't need as much low end torque and most people prefer the way the 555 revs out in those bikes. Touring being heavier you want the extra torque in the low and mid range but you're not so worried about the top end performance. It comes down to where you ride the most and where you want that power to be available to you at.
I installed s&s 551 cams, v&h pro pipe, power vision tuner on my 2007 Electra glide. Run strong pulled hard thru out the rpm. I'm extremely happy.
551 is a killer cam in a touring bike, pairing with the pro pipe l bet it pulls hard!
I love it, I don't need a big bore kit. This is enough power for cruising around .
It's really surprising the kinda power a good after market bolt in cam will make!
@GixxerFoo: Great video! Always very informative. How the Wood-222 compares with the S&S-551?
The 551 is great cam for low to mid range for a bolt in, the 222 tends to produce more horsepower and torque per given rpm though. The 222 revs out a bit further on top, but the 551 is going to be much quieter than the 222.
Awesome video I just installed the tw222 cams... what tunes do you recommend I'm running the power commander V but no dyno tuners in my area
I would contact Dyno Jet and see what is recommended for your setup, they will likely suggest upgrading to a flash tuner with that cam setup.
So I’m in ny and they are getting real crazy about sound laws. I had to switch my exhaust to a stock exhaust with screaming eagle mufflers. I have a stage 2 air breather. Can I still run cams or will the mufflers limit me?
I’m just trying to pull wheelies on my 2009 street bob, I have 14” mx bars, crash bar, sliders, oiling mod and chain conversion.
glad I found your video very informative. My 2011 heritage has screaming eagle 255 cams with a complete stock motor and just some slip ons and a big sucker air cleaner. Wanting to change out the 255's (never been to happy with these). What Woods cams do you recommend for this same setup (no changes except cam at this time ) 222 or 555. One up rider and just having fun with the bike as is. Thanks again
The 222 is great cam for more low end torque and very good top end, it's a great cam for a heavy bike. The 555 makes excellent horsepower and torque it just comes on a little later and runs out further, it's a great cam for a lot of Dyna riders.
Just bought a set of the Woods 222. Arrive in the next day or 2. Stock compression 96" with hi flow filter and 2:2 exhaust. Thinking of doing the .30 thou head gaskets to bump compression a couple of points. This will also allow the use of stock solid pushrods. Anything else I should be doing while in there? Is a clutch spring upgrade advisable at this level?
It wouldn't hurt to add a clutch spring, I'd see what it does with the cam in it first.
I appreciate your time and opinion but I've never understood the focus on peak HP numbers. Almost everyone I've ridden with rarely revs their stage 2 engines above 4,000 RPMs. The Andrews 48, S&S 583, and Woods 222 work great in a stock 96 / 103. TQ numbers and curve are my focus when I choose or recommend a cam. HP comes after when you go 107 and get your heads done.
Everyone likes that peak horsepower number, but if you only rev to 4500 pick a cam that makes the highest peak power there. I like torque myself, that's the name of the game on a Harley.
@@GixxerFoo Agree. Riders want peak HP numbers and a cool idle and never consider how flat their engines will feel under 3,500/4,000 rpm.
High lift high horsepower absolutely kill theow end. That's where you spend most of the time riding on the street.
IMHO the Twin Cam engine (88&96) is one of the most versatile motors ever made by Harley Davidson for the shade tree wrencher. Feuling makes a good cam and products in general.
Feuling makes some awesome cams, the twin cam looks a complicated but it's really not bad to work on at home.
Very costly for manufacturers to use lighter building materials, aluminum, titanium, composites, carbon fiber, etc. easier just to
Throw in a larger motor. For customers, the most expensive to modify is the engine. I buy a bike for its engine as suspension is cheap to modify vs the engine. Lighter bikes help everything such as handling, braking, and acceleration.
Great point! It does add up to start doing engine work, I always highly recommend doing as much of it as you can on your own. Labor isn't cheap at all, you can spend some big money on suspension and brakes too if you really get into it.
2011 ultra, 96 stage 1. Decatted stock with Rinehart 4" slip on. Mostly 2 up. Which cam would you suggest.
I really like the numbers on that Wood Cam personally, the TW-222 is hard to beat for all around power in a touring bike.
Awesome video! Thank you for your informative content. I subscribed :) which of the cams you mentioned above would you recommend for a 2008 Dyna lowrider 96ci?
For the Dyna l would have to with Woods 222 personally. It's a broad power range and really gets that horsepower and torque up. With the lighter dyna it would run really strong.
@@GixxerFoo I have 2010 fatboy lo with 2 into 2 vh long radius pipes. I know the 2 into 1 would be better but I don't like the look. So my question is should I get the w222 or w555? Riding style, I'm always on the throttle
I think you would like the tw-555, it has more up in the upper range. The TW-222 has power all around but it's really strong in the low to mid range. The TW-555 comes on a little later but carries more in the upper RPM range.
@GixxerFoo great Vid! Do I need a new clutch and oil pump with that stage I + cams? I mean the increase in hp alone is over 40%, thats a lot.
By just adding a cam set it's not 100% required although it's not a bad to add a clutch upgrade and a high volume oil pump. It really depends on how you ride and how many miles are on the bike. A heavy duty clutch spring isn't a bad idea, while adding cams if you can swing the extra for a billet cam plate and high volume oil pump it's an opportune time to get that done with the chest open.
Thanks for the info. I've got a 07 RG SE 103 kit thundermax tuner bassini road rage 3 .255 cam lacks ump . Woods... hope your watching I'll be buying.
Cheers from Canada
That Wood is gonna wake that bike up, it will feel like a new motorcycle!
I just don't get the need for the extra power. My '02 Dyna 88 has all the power I can use. Guess I'm past doin' smokers in the parking lot. lol
The horsepower is great and all, but on a Harley you really want torque. The bigger the torque at the lower the rpm is a lot of fun to cruise with on the streets.
How important is replacing the lifters and bearings when installing the Wood 222 on a 07 Heritage with 6K miles?
With 6k miles I wouldn't me overly concerned with replacing the lifters and bearings. I would however inspect the lifters for wear marks from the old cams. This is strictly personal, but I like to replace the bearings and lifters with a new cam if they have some miles on them like around 10K.
How or where can I pm you regarding one of theses cam ideas
My 96in twin cam dynojet tuner with 585 s&s cams hush pipes rs air cleaner .dyno 89hp at 96 ft
That's some really solid numbers, that's just with the cam and stage 1 too?
I just ordered the cr 570-2 cams for my 96. I've read a lot of great reviews on them in 103s. I hope they perform similar in the 96.
They do very well in the 96, naturally the 103 produces a bit more with the added displacement but the 96 is no slouch. It's typically about 5 horsepower and torque behind the 103 so with a 96 you should see mid to high 80's in horsepower and low to mid 90's in torque.
If I had a 96” the only way I’d upgrade to a 103 is if it needed a rebuild and I would add some compression to it and cams of course. My bro in laws 96” street glide goes plenty good. It’s a slippery slope, I did cams in my 103 and then wanted more but held my horses and am now happy lol. When the time comes to rebuild then I’ll definitely do some upgrades like comp and like lily heads/head work, but till then I’m happy.
A lot of people get hung on the fence about putting money into a older Harley but compared to the price of a new one it makes sense. Doing some nice upgrades makes the bike unique and it will lay down some power you won't get for the price of a new one.
Thanks to this video I went with a Wood 555. Very happy with it.
I am thinking the same thing , doing that cam to my hog !!!
I'm leaning towards one of the woods, what is your opinion on changing the lifters when changing cams? I seem to be finding 50/50 for yes or no. Some say you always should, others say with rolling lifters it's not necessary, though my bike is at 20,000 miles so maybe so.
I've got the same answers myself over the years with roller lifters. My honest opinion is you've got a wear pattern from the old cam, new parts wear out old. I prefer to change the lifters myself if they have over 5k miles with a new cam. Just me though, others will reuse them.
I have an 09 RK classic with upgraded airfliter and slip-in’s
Makes 71 HP and 83 TQ
I want more torque on low end to run with the guys on newer 103 and 107’s especially at Highway speed. I am in Texas and speed limits at 75 and even 80 with groups riding at close to 90.
Which TW cam recommend. I often do 3 day trips loaded with gear and a trunk
Current bike just runs out of power at those top speeds
I'd say you'd be hard pressed to beat the Wood TW-222 for that RK. The 222 makes a lot of all around power and it really bump you're horsepower and torque all over the RPM range.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you, wasn't sure if you might recommend the TW 555 or TW 6-6 over the 222
Stock 96 is only 78.72 ft lbs torque? Heck my stock Sportster Seventy-Two was 73 ft lbs of torque... weight to torque ratio you can beat a good ole sporty. Add pipes, Arlen Ness big sucker, cams and a tune and a sporty will run!
That's why l love my Sportster 👍. Harley really held the Sportster back, it wouldn't look good having those Sportsters walking over the big twins.
@@GixxerFoo picked up my 2012 Seventy-Two in Big Red Flake used with Stage 2 already done and it will hang with buddies 103 Street Bob with Stage 1 all day plus mine gets way more comments at gas stations than his does. No dyno done on it but I would be curious as to what the torque is now.
That 72 came in some beautiful colors, do you know what cams are in it?
@@GixxerFoo unfortunately no. Bike was taken in as a trade at a Polaris dealership. Several buddies who have ridden it say it does have cams. Local Harley dealership tech who can basically rebuild a bike blind folded didn't ride it but started it and held his hands to feel the exhaust agreed it has cams and said more than likely Wood Performance cams but can't say for sure with out cracking it open.
That's pretty bad ass that he's done enough builds he can feel the exhaust and get an idea. Wood is a damn nice cam on a Sportster, l bet it sounds pretty good!
Greate video thanx!
Could you please let me know what do you think red shift 575 cam with stock 96ci flhr?
It's a nice setup, any bolt in cam with some increased lift and duration is really going to wake up a Twin Cam. The factory cams are very mild and it keeps the potential power and torque way down.
Do you know anything about the se251 cam? Specifically in the 96? I got a new set of 251’s from Harley for 30 bucks on a old stock sale. I have an 07 flstc. my biggest thing is I was a big cam sound, I’m not after hp. Info is scarce on the cam but I’m trying to see if valve springs are really a must. I just want to know if I can throw the cam in with the adjustable pushrods and call it a day.
That cam is a good mid range torque cam, you will need the SE valve spring kit for the twin cam with those cams. It may not have the big lope at idle like a aftermarket cam though.
@@GixxerFoo oh, honestly I just want a gallop low idle about to die sound. but I know the oil pressure deal. my bike is a cholo build with bassani 36” non baffled fishtails. any advice on how I can get more chop?
so i want to buy a used 2013 street bob with the 96. the bike has new covers on it saying 103. it has a vh pipe airfilter and tune. the owner is the 2nd owner and doesnt know much about the bike. is a 96 with a stage 1 the same as a stock 103? or was a stage 2 put in it?
The 2013 would of been a 96, now someone could of put 103 covers on it or actually put the piston and cylinder kit on the bike. Only way to truly know if it doesn't have receipts would be to pull the heads and measure the cylinder bore.
I have a 96 inch Dyna and have been thinking about the S.E 255 cam. After watching your video I think the Woods 555 is the way to go. The power curves are similar and i can probably get away with the S.E 255 fuel map and not flag digital tech.
You'll get way more out of the Wood cam, the Wood 555 is an awesome Dyna cam!
Great Video as always. I’m building a cholo style ‘09 deluxe. I’m purchasing the Fuel Motor standard 110 kit with level B heads. Updating with their adjustable clutch, new cam plate and gear driven. Also upgrading compensator and oil pump. Also going with manual adjustment output chain. I’m somewhat skeptical doing all this work due to the fact that I have Samson true dual fishtails with no crossover, but does have torque cones. . The cam has not been chosen at this point. What are your thoughts? Motor is completely stock with 10k miles.
Since you having your heads done with the level B you really have some cam options beyond just the bolt in cams. Fuel Moto is really big on the Wood cams since they produce serious power. Only draw back to Wood is they can be a bit noisy but it's the trade off for some power.
I have a set of woods 777 i want to put in my 96 ultra. What kind of numbers should I expect?
With a good exhaust setup and tune, I would expect mid 90's on horsepower and around 100 ftlbs of torque. That's being pretty conservative, a good tuner may be be able to squeeze more out.
I have a 09 fatboy..if I get the TW555 cam do I need to switch the lifters to
You don't have to change lifters, it's a straight bolt in. There's some debate on switching lifters, I like to change lifters with a new cam, it's not necessary just a preference.
I have an 09 96 and planning to add a cam, will these cams provide a nice lumpy idle or smooth like the stock cam? Having to replace the compensator so my as well do a cam too.
Going with something aftermarket and not Screamin' Eagle will give you some lumpy idle.
Will I need compression releases if I add woods 777's to my 96ci?
(I have a 2into1 and intake)
Complete bolt in and it won't raise your compression up enough to need compression releases. If you ever have any head work done it's not bad idea to add some while the bike is down but not completely necessary.