I don’t think you could go wrong with just the cams. That’s relatively cheap IMO. However I would recommend the SE 95 kit. With and Oil Cooler and 44mm Makuni and my motor just keeps chugging along with decent power. It is surprisingly dependable
That's a great point about what RPM range you ride in. To me, HP and torque numbers at 5500 RPM mean very little because I never go there. 2500 - 4000 is my world so this video gave me all the info I need. Every Harley Davidson owner needs to know about this channel and especially us Twin Cam guys. ✌
Thank you! I appreciate that! I see so many people interested in the "stage 4 kit" just by looking at peak numbers. You get this big number up top but when you look at the RPM it's over 5k. The Stage 3 makes just as much and if not more in the lower RPM range up to 5K. Also a $1500 dollar difference so why pay more something you may never use?
Have 06 flhtcui screaming eagle 3-1/2 slip on arlen ness monster sucker ( that alone made a big difference ) now looking at the s&s 509 c cam chest kit ,pretty sure it's going in soon
I have the same bike same year I bought the fueling kit conversion cam plate thought the ss 509 cams would work with this camp late but it doesn't cuzz its a conversion so I'm going 525 mite as well match everything
Some people I think have lost sight of what an air cooled, pushrod VTwin Harley is about: The look, sound, the feel and experience. Some of these guys waste alot of money wanting to try and build a Harley that will smoke a Sportbike, while that is possible, it's going to be hard to beat these bigger bore Sportbikes 1200cc and over. Don't waste your time trying to do that. On an a Twin Cam 88 motor a 25 = 30 hp gain will make a huge difference. That would put you up in the 85 = 90 hp, and 100 ft. lbs of torque. range that will feel really good on a Twin Cam.
If I want a serious fast bike, I'll stick a crotch rocket motor in a custom chopper frame. I have an old 750 honda motor in a stretched out frame with Harley tanks and front end. Its lighter and faster than any of my Harleys and screams like a violated mountain lion. Harleys sound tough, straight piped crotch rockets sound terrifying.
I put SS 509s in my 88 and Screaming Eagle oil pump/billet cam plate and timkin bearings with hydraulic chain tensions. Love it. More power and oil pressure. Great upgrade
Would just like to thank you for convincing me that a Twin Cam was the way to go. I picked up a 103ci Fat Bob this week over a much more expensive M8 after seeing the performance differences weren't far apart. It came with bags, windshield, cobra slip ons, and only 4000 miles. I was surprised how much power it had. I'll be referencing any videos you've made on the 103ci TC for ideas. The fact that I can buy a whole new 111ci to 124ci motor from S&S for under 7 grand is cool too. Maybe you should do a vid on replacement motors next?
Fat Bob is one of my favorites, the stock seat on 103 Fat Bob is like a hammock. I love those seats, it's an excellent handling motorcycle too. I like the new Softail Fat Bob but at the end of the day I would do what you did and pick up a nice low miles used Dyna version.
I'm running the S&S 509 cams on my 03 Carbureted Dyna. My bike is set up a little heavy with a fairing, saddlebags, and a touring seat but I've also got upgraded brakes, chassis, and suspension. I guess you could call it a sport tour. As for the engine I've got the cams as mentioned along with a high flow air cleaner but with riding long distance I couldn't deal with the aftermarket exhaust I had on there for a while. So I modified a stock 2 into1 exhaust from a 2014 Dyna low Rider to fit my bike. I'm hoping it flows a little better than a stock exhaust for an 88 because it was made for a 107. I also removed the catalyst material and plugged where the O2 sensors would go. I'm not sure how much horsepower I'm giving up with this exhaust but I'm hoping it's not too much. I like the look and sound of it on the bike and I haven't noticed any real lack of power.
Great video, wish I had seen it 15 years ago when I did my 88. If I remember correctly, I selected the Andrews TW37b on my 88, also changed to .030 head gaskets as I was there.. I have been happy with my selection (2500 - 5000) I was hoping to see tw37b on this video. Thanks , I enjoy your videos!!!
Came back for a second look. If I read the chart correctly, the 509 cam produces significantly more hp and trq in the 2,000 to 3,500 range which is where I normally operate. That would definitely feel stronger than the Feuling cam to my style of riding. Plus, I think I lucked out. With just stage one, my 88 can pull away at idle by just easing out the clutch. I have ridden in a group with other 88's and I was easily able to catch them when they sped up after a major slowdown. Now, with 85,000 miles I'm going in to replace the cam shoes and do a major re-torque of all nuts and bolts on the whole bike. I greatly appreciate this review on the cams. I was researching the procedure of replacing the shoes when I found your review by accident.
@@GixxerFoo I was talking with an independent Harley repair shop regarding the cam shoes. he mentioned something relevant. If I install the 509 cam with higher lift, it wil be pushing the valves a tiny bit more into unused territory. That could mean the valve seals get scraped up and it will start burning oil. if the engine only had 30,000 miles it would probably not be an issue. But with 85,000 miles maybe I should replace the valve seals now while I am tearing down to replace the cam shoes.
Thanks for a clear and concise video. I am leaning toward the S&S 509 due to the smoothness of the curve. I seldom run higher than 3000 between gears. Before I picked up the bike, I had the dealer install high flow air filter, reworked the filter housing to allow air to enter from more places, rejet the carb, and install the screaming eagle ignition module. I drilled out the factory mufflers with a long drill extension so they breath a lot better but look stock if stopped by hard ass cop. My bike has so much torque I can ease out the clutch at idle and it takes off. I swapped the exhaust for V&H long shots but there was no cross over pipe between the pipes. The low end torque was gone. I put the stock exhaust back on and wow the torque was back. I could not believe the factory mufflers with crossover was better than with open exhaust, no crossover.
@@unclemikeb in a real world mike the 510 is more established!! Rule #1, Dyno charts are a general average. The same bike in different parts of the country are going to behave differently. Especially when you use a cam with an intake valve closing sooner than the factory cam of 34-36° ATDC!! Good example is the Andrews TW-21 and EV-21! Theses types of cams build up too much cylinder pressure with not a whole lot of duration to allow time for it to escape out of the exhaust system. Not much overlap either! Your gonna get pinging especially with a SE module!! At least with an Evo you can adjust the static timing. Get an adjustable module! You want a good all around cam run the 203!! You'll be happy & it tolerates everything!! Rule #2 don't listen to a drunk in a bar what can to run 🙄🤐
I just got my bike back,went with the S&S 509 cam,S&S tappets,S.E pushrods/tubes,S.E hydraulic cam plate with high flow oil pump. Already had a Ness big sucker kit with breather bypass’s,BUB 2 into 1 pipe and a S.E pro tuner. Made 72 HP at 4850,94 Torque at 3250. Runout was .003, thanks for all the content,it helped with some of my choices.
About a month ago, I put the Wood TW-6 cams and a Power Commander tuner on my 88 twin cam Electra Glide. I didn't have it dynoed but I'm very pleased with the results. Thanks for the advice.
@@hermanbrown4786 I'm assuming you're talking about the valve springs, I didn't install them myself so I can't offer intelligence about installation. If you're asking about reliability I haven't had any problems, I chose TW-6 Nightprowlers 'cause I was given to believe that is as big as you can go without having to upgrade the rest of the valve train.
Got a 2000 88 ,Heritage Softail Classic.. Going threw it and your information is what I needed.. It's carburetor. Your information is right on it .. Thank you very much.. I'm Disabled Veteran this is my let out .. 68 yrs.
Thank you for your service, my dad is also a Disabled Veteran. I'm glad you found the information you were looking for, a nice cam in your 88 will that Heritage a nice boost!
Hi from England! Really enjoyed this video I ride a 2005 FXDWGi and have recently ordered some 509 cams for it. My experience over the years with S&S products is very positive plus the fact that very few cams other than these, SE ( not keen ) and Andrews ate readily available here across the pond No outlet here that I'm aware of stock Wood, Fueling or Rocket cams so you guys have much more choice Glad my 509s came out OK in the vid....
I have a 05 Electraglide standard , a bro from my club installed the S&S 510 cams and roller bearing with gear drive , and a power commander, then took it down and had it dyno tuned , it screamed and still does 18 years later . Got hooked up by the club bros on the setup and install !! Recommend s&s. I was in the front and think they wanted to go faster ha ha
Love all these cam reviews. I've completed engine upgrades on dozens of 88" twin cams from 2006 and down. Minimally I recommend a stage 2 upgrade with a gear cam that fits your riding style. I live near the mountains so I like the 509 for heavy bikes or for someone who rides with a passenger more often than alone. The Andrews 26 is the cam I recommend for one up and lighter motorcycles. I've also installed the SE 203 and SE 204 for those who want to stay with HD parts. Both are great but I lean towards the 204. I've never tried a Rocket cam but I think the one you reviewed needs to be installed in an 04 model or newer because of lift. Very hard to go by the peak numbers from different dyno machines. I always look at the curve over numbers. For example, my first stage 1 dyno tune at the Harley dealer claimed 103 TQ and 89 HP on my 2013 FLHTK. Never liked the tune so I took it to who I feel is the best in the area. His peak numbers before his tune showed 89TQ and 72HP. That's a huge difference for the same bike on different dyno's. Sorry for the long post but I love this stuff and can talk or type forever.
Since you have upgraded several TC88's, given your experience, would you recommend the 509 and head porting work for a 1999 Road King with a 230 lb rider? Right now all it has is an upgraded air cleaner, re-jetted carb and Fulsac true duals using mufflers off a CVO 110 bike.
@@jimedward8908 My first question is do you have a local shop you trust? Second, do you like speed, torque, racing your buddies when the light turns green? An increase in displacement and headwork opens up another world when it comes to choices. I ride in the 2,000 to 3,500 rpm range so any power beyond 4,000 is wasted on someone like myself. This sounds like a great topic for another video. Hint, hint...
That's really not a bad idea, l tried to keep cams for the all around power. Finding good high torque cams that come on early and peak mid are easy to find.
I have a 2000 carbed Deuce...no idea what upgrades were done internally. Put it on the Dyno after installing a Dakota Digital guage to dial in the speedo. Turns out its putting out 85hp and 95ftlb. Going to crack her open this winter and see what's been done. I know these cams will be older aftermarket. I am the 3rd owner. 1st owner did the staging...2nd owner was a mailman who owned it a year and knew nothing about the bike. Between these 2 owners it sat for 8 years in a sea of bikes for sale at a place called "Power Brokers" I purchased it with mileage @10k it now has 15k. Your videos are very helpful and I am anxious to find out what this TC88 has in it after seeing the numbers you have shown! Thanks for the great videos!!!!!
Very useful info. Just purchased a 2002 heritage softail carb. with only 17728 mi. she is spotless. I am 61 y/o so I don't need a rocket. My scoot already has a stage one. I am going to add a 2into1 to replace the dual slips. Cut to the chase. All I need is to buy a good power cam will be all I need. Thanks so much for your vids you just saved me a lot of $$$$.
That's awesome! A good cam will bring a lot to the party in the motor, especially with that 2 into 1! For sure change out the tensioners with the new cam or even better upgrade the cam plate with one that has hydraulic tensioners and high volume oil pump.
I just did the 509 swap last week. I am super pleased with how it pulls and pulls. I have the Reinhardt true duals on and it has the perfect amount of rowdy on the exhaust note
@@twitterjackedmitchell8096 509 is a low lift cam, I'd try something else in a 95 and maybe add head work if the budget allowed and then you'd have something fun
I put an S&S 509 gear cam in my 2002 Electra glide FI and the wood ( night prowler) TW6 gear cam in my wife 2010 super glide (96). Best thing I’ve done for my Electra so far. I just love the torque that move the bike. It’s no rocket but I do not downshift to pass a vehicle anymore. Took a bit of fiddling with the tuning but got it right on now. The wife is now pleased with hers as before she felt that the power delivery was different and she did not like it at first. We are both very happy now and no, the noise isn’t noticeable.
I'm wanting to replace my stock cam on my 2002 Fatboy with a gear drive if crank runout will allow it. I was thinking of going with the S&S 509. After watching this again I'm leaning toward the TW6. Some forums mention the TW6 is much noisier than some, I see you you say it's not noticeable. Curious if you had my bike which of the 2 gear cams would you choose?
@@robbaar7035 I am partial to my 509. I like the torque it produce, it is tractor like. Not much high rpm but then I rarely need to go there. I am a big and heavy man so racing is not in my plan, I enjoy riding and keep my rpm low. I do not ride my wife’s bike unless I have to trouble shoot something but it is very reliable so my seat time has been very short. Power is in higher rpm and sportier so it is your choice. My Electra is 850+ pounds and your fat boy is about 720 so I would consider the tw6 very closely or s&s510. The 509 is best suited for heavy bike. That’s just my opinion.
@@yz490w I have a 2002 Fatboy with a stock 88 ci other than a Bassani Road Rage II 2 into 1 exhaust, a K & N high flow air cleaner, and a Dynojet Power Vision tuner. I flashed the tune Dynojet sent me for what I currently have. I want to add a S & S cam plate kit with new oil pump and 509 gear drive cams if crankshaft runout allows it. My question is do I need a new Dynojet tune for the cam change? All the tunes I've looked at on Dynojet website only ask what you have for exhaust and air cleaner, nothing I can find about cams?Maybe the current tune I have will work with the 509 cam upgrade?
This is by far my favorite 88" upgrade video. It encourages me to save some money ignoring the BB kit. Plus it's on a lighter Dyna, which would make it a snatcher to ride!
Great to hear! The big bore kits are great but if you don't have the right cam it's not gonna do much. You can do a cam swap and get some major gains with just the 88" displacement. It's all about compression and the right cam with a big bore kit.
@@GixxerFoo That Woods "TW-6" is a "winner" to me too. Friend dropped one in his 07' Softail Standard. Cam only in 96", and the normal stage 1. That bike left me sooo hard from the light, it was insane! 😮 And my Stage 1 88" runs hard. I didn't expect him leaving that bad!
The TW-6 l like if you're keeping stock compression and not going to be building the engine any further. The TW-555 works well with an other wise stock motor, but it's a better choice if you plan on doing head work and building the bike out more.
I went all the way with the S&S 100” kit with 585 cams. I also went with the S&S heads, super G carb, and a great tune!!!! I am extremely happy with their products from S&S!
i went with the TW6 , my 02 softail came alive . Feels good to see the forks lift to the stops ! Great bang for your buck . Glad i came across your videos !
Thank you! I really appreciate the support! The catalogs really get muddy and don't offer a great explanation of what everything is and really does. Worst thing you can do is just pick something and then not be happy with it.
Good video. I've owned a carbureted 88 and now own a fuel injected one so I've been looking for an upgrade without breaking the bank. Thanks for the information. ( I am worried about that shelf behind you, though!) 😂
I have watched all ur videos on the 88 (that's the motor I have in my 06 heritage) and to be honest man it really seems like you should just pass the 88 up and go for the 96 or 103 (if that new of a bike is in you're budget) if you are looking for power. I bought the bike i have because I always wanted a heritage and the price was right. I honestly wish I would have saved a little more money and got a newer bike with at least a 96 in it. Just one man's opinion. Ur videos are amazing and I watch them all the time!!! 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
Great videos. I love your opinions on each motor, good or bad, to separately. I'm looking at an 2004 EFI 88 twin cam Heritage Classic with a Frankenstein trike kit. It has the Stage 1 with V&H shorty pipes. I'm was thinking of adding S&S 509 cams. I was impressed with the increase in torque over stock. Is there a better cam used for an 88 trike? With the Frankenstein kit I would think its weights about the same as an UG
@@GixxerFoo OK. I'm getting ready to accept the deficiencies of the H-D Big Twin (I think?). I have been paying close attention to what you've said about the bearings on the 88 and how affordable these bikes are these days. The part that sold me was the 98 cubic inch trick with Hammer and proper Wood cams, not too mention the cam tensioner trick. I've located a 2000 Fatboy with 5,400 original miles, so immediately getting the thing dialed in from the get go is a huge plus. Coming from a '08 Suzuki BKing and now a '14 Suzuki V-Strom DL1000, I absolutely have to have a reliable, useful motorcycling experience. I also have a 2002 Buell S3T Thunderbolt with 10K original miles. I cannot stand unreliable or expensive repairs and absolutely need reliable, day in day out performance. I don't mind wrenching on things, but everything has too come together in a cost effective and efficient manner.
I’ve got a 2001 fxst I picked up a few years ago with 15,000kms on it. After watching your videos I went ahead and bought the Feuling OE+ conversion cam plate package. I just booked in to get it installed along with the rocket 514c cams and screamin eagle adjustable push rods. Bike currently only has 42mm mikuni and vance and Hines big radius pipes… very little info on the 514’s availability in Australia can be tough and these cams were readily available… hoping I don’t regret my decision 😅
Also I see you Americans often talking about poor fuel quality? We have 98 octane fuel available at basically every gas station across the country, our lowest grade fuel is 91 octane. I always run 98, can i expect a better performing bike running this fuel?
My buddy went gear to gear and installed a pair of 585 cams with new valve springs. I installed an HSR 42 on it and that thing is just downright NASTY!! Easily north of 80hp to the back tire.
Just completed my upgrades today. Fueling camplate and oilpump, 525 cams, V&H intake, headers and slipons. Good tune set. Really starts pulling from about 2200 rpm. For an 88 with 135k kilometers on it..😀👍
2000 FXDWG 54,000 miles. Stage 1 @ 72 HP, 85 ft-lbs. I'm ready to order parts for the for stage 2 using the Feuling camchest upgrade with either 525/ 543 can set or Andrews 37N. In hindsight was your 525 a good choice? I live in wide open country and this is a lightweight solo ride. Just doing the cams now and the Hammer 98" cylinder and head kit next year. Thanks in advance.
@@buckguest3012 Yep, the 525 was for me a good choice. Very happy with it. My set up however is set for 2 up long travel across Europe when the bug is gone.
Seems like the "Wood TW6" would be nice. I got a 06 Deuce with Stage one. Figure give them a try. Bike is practically new with 11k on the clock..bought it 4 years ago with only 237 miles for $7k. Such a nice well balanced comfortable bike..I just need to keep up with my bud that just got a Low Rider S...lol
Andrews TW37G, 510 Lift. V&H slip ones, carb kit, screaming eagle air filter. This gave the 88" on the 2002 FLHT new life. 63k miles and running strong.
The only down side to a Wood cam is they are somewhat noisy. They keep the valves open longer and the ramp angle is aggressive. If you're not worried about noise the Wood cam is great. The Feuling is an awesome cam too, it's definitely going to quieter than the Wood.
I get it GFOO"personally interested" in these selections for TC88. I wish I had this great comparative video months ago as I was trying to select cams for my 06 RK. After perusing the forum posts opinions I went with Andrews TW21s. I'd like to have had a comparative curve for this app. But, no complaints, I'm happy with the (surprising) seat of pants results with these TW21s, V&H 2-1 Pro Pipe, V&H Fuelpak and Arlen Ness big sucker.
Sounds like you have a hell of a setup on your bike, that seat of the pants feel is what it's all about. We can look at graphs and numbers all day but it all comes down to how the bike feels when you hit it.
As I've said, with those cams, your mileage will suck because it's such a dang BLAST to ride! But mine is carved; you probably do better. Heck, didn't become a biker in my youth to save gas anyway!
Great Video. My riding is usually on back roads, two up. And occasionally on the highway. So, 1500 - 5000 is my range. I am leaning towards the S&S 509, but would like to compare it to the 510. If you could do a comparison between the two, that would be great. Thanks!
Great information and thanks, my question to you is that I am going to do the S&S 509c on my 88. Am I require to install the Timken Bearing sleeve or is this part require when going Big Bore Kits only ?
I did the S$S 509 hydraulic on my 03 Heritage EFI. Vance and Hines Big Shots with quiet baffles and tuner, with Arlen Ness big sucker. I can’t believe how much harder it pulls now. No valve train noise at all. It’s worth every penny. Maybe a 95 kit someday…….. but not really needed ?
@@flsgeertf it was going to be "next" But the 509s opened it up so much I'm still waiting. Might do a complete S&S 97" with S&S 89 heads. Keep the compression around 9.7 so getting premium fuel in the tank at blender pumps is never an issue compared to 10:1 or higher.....?
Alright finally this year is the time. Putting a cam in my 05 lowrider and i always come back to this Gixer video. Everyone at the shop keeps pushing the 525 reaper over SE and a few others... What does the Gixer think? Last question about cams i promise 😁😫
I've been thinking of putting the S&S100inch kit with the 585 easy start cams in my 03 heritage. But I've been holding back because I think the 585 cams might be a little bit more than I want for high RPM and lack of lower RPM. After watching your video I looked into the wood night prowler cams for the 88. I wonder how that cam would do with 100 cubic inch? The kit bumps compression up to 10.5. and the cams have a pretty short duration. I wonder if the short duration and higher compression might lead into detonation and pre ignition issues? With that aspect aside I would think that using the wood night prowler cam and the extra 12 cubic inches should yield another 5 to 7% horsepower over what your graph shows at the end of your video?
Thanks for this video. Watched it last week, but didn't get the chance to comment. Yep, going with the 525 for my 03 Dyna. Looking forward to it. Hope you're doing better with the weather related issues.
Good choice! You'll enjoy that torque and it come on early too! Yes, doing much better now! Power is back and cleanup is coming along, back to making videos too!
@@GixxerFoo would you locktite rocker arm bolts? I have both Haynes & Clymer manuals and neither say to locktite them. But I've seen some reputable TH-camrs locktiting them. Thanks for any inputs.
It's not a bad idea if you're going to do it, just use blue, not red. With red you will never get it out. Just use a little blue for safety sake, it's good piece of mind. That's what l do, emphasis on a little 👍.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, and see dyno chart, for the S&S 510 cams in a carbureted 88ci. Or even a comparison between the S&S 509 cams and 510 cams.
Hello. In the kit from the S&S there are camshaft bearings. Can they be put in a stock camplate? Or does camplate need to be changed necessarily when replacing camshafts? And oil pump too.
@gixxerfoo just an update. I went with the woods tw6 as you recommended. I went with a screaming eagle 95ci big bore kit and zero headwork and my deuce dynoed at just under 91hp and 100.3 tq. Couldn’t be happier with this build thank you so much for the cam recommendation. Btw the cam sounds very mean
That's awesome! That's some serious power without headwork! If you decide to do some head work there's even more to be had! Thank you for the update, I appreciate it!
@@GixxerFoo I inquired about headwork to the dyno guy and he said that headwork probably wouldn’t get me much more because my cam is a bolt in cam. If I did headwork would I have to change cams?
Ehhhh shouldn't have to, the Wood cam is pretty stout. If you did do some head work with valve springs and go with an even more aggressive cam you would get quite a bit more. But you wouldn't have to change the cam, a port and polish on the heads would give it more with that TW6.
What if a TC88 is upgraded with the Fuel Moto 98 Cu.In." Extreme Duty Cylinder / Piston Kit? What cam would you recommend with that kit? And, would it require new valve springs? Which ones? Of course, the Feuling OEX Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Conversion Kit, or similar, would be a given with that bigger bore kit. Just getting all this info together here. Thanks. Really liking these TC88 videos! Not into high speed, or racing, just respectable power when needed and dependable, solid reliability.
Thanks for tips I put the woods rw6 8n my 01 softail and got 85hp and 90 to also on my 12 dyna 103 I used the ss 577 with cobra 2 into 2 got 96hp and 115tq I really like the woods cam it also had the vh Longshot. Tks so much
Good Morning! My name is Phil . Thank I’m taking your recommendation on the wood tw-6 cams on my 2003 Heritage! New Cams and New Hydraulic chain tensioners high flow oil pump! I’m going to ask about the tinker bearings Chang out or is that standard procedure?
great video! i commented this very question last vid... (or maybe it was the one before...?) not saying you created and posted this vid specifically for my question but hot damn! lol. even if you did not see my comment/question, you answered it with this vid. Great job man! I really like the Wood cam and the S&S 509 cam but it doesn't look like it's available for the 2006 year model so it looks like the decision was made for me... Wood cam it is. what a FREAKIN BUMMER! lol. but i wonder what makes the Dyna 88TC 2006 year model different (edit : which so happens to be my model)? i am going to pull the cam cover off and see what's going on in there. i do not have a current cam tensioner issue at the moment, but my 88TC does have 37k miles and i have no clue to what the current state of my cam tensioners are. since my bike runs around 230-250 degrees (depending on the day temp wise) i am almost certain it's stock, i mean i know know it's not gear drive. also, wouldn't operating at the temps mentioned indicate that a S&S cam plate is absent? (just my thought process based on my limited exp with H-D engines) on a side note, have you thought of trying to do a patreon or something so we can throw money at your feet while you dance for us? lmao. j/k about the dancing part yet serious about patreon or something. even doing a $1 per vid would be a nice way for us to show our appreciation. even if only 1% of 10k subs doing $1 would generate something to help offset the cost of producing these vids
The 06 Dyna's for whatever reason the A motor they put hydraulic tensioners in that year. The Dyna line was the only engines that got them, softail and touring still had spring tensioners. Since the 509 isn't available for the 06 that leads me to believe they changed the valve springs in the heads that year as well. The 509 was created to work with the stock valve springs on the 88 heads, I'll have to check but the S&S 550 or 551 might bolt into the 06 Dyna. I've thought about Patreon but I just wouldn't feel right asking for money on the videos, I like to get all the information I had dig for and put it all in once place for everyone.
Great job on the videos🙌 I’ve learned a ton about HD from you. In the spring I’m look to buy a used bike. The information you’ve shared has been incredible helpful. Keep up the good work, cheers!🥃 p.s. if you come up with any T-shirt ideas, I’d love to support the channel.
@@GixxerFoo I’m looking at an 05 fxdwg carbureted. It’s low miles, excellent condition, and a pretty good price. However, the used Harley market is a buyer’s paradise. For just a little bit more money I could get an 06-08 maybe 09 night train. The night train has been my dream bike since day one. The 6 speed transmission is very appealing. The 96 seems like a great motor but so is the 88. So for now I’ll keep doing my homework and watching the market.
I really like the specs on the 514 cam so I’m planning on buying that but I can’t find any info on what type of jet kit I need for the carburetor. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you
02 fule inj. RK. 88ci. At 2500mil I had an HD stage2 kit installed, wt. The 95ci.,203cams at the dealer, wt. their download tune. What a slug, my shovel had more balls. At 35,000mils, I put in fuelings 525 reaper kit, cams, lifters, cam plate, oil pump, etc: with a 2-1 exhaust. & a Daytona TT. tuner that I downloaded myself. don't know about numbers but it does pull from idle to 5500rpm wt. no flat spots or hesitation.
Whats up mad great video, i have a stock 88 twin cam, well…. Stage 1. 2 into one 2 brothers racing exhaust, arlen ness big sucker intake and v&h fuelpak. I got a 2005 dyna FI. After seeing this video I want to do the wood cams, besides the cams what else would you recommend i replace? And Im sure I would need a different tuner right? Thanks
I have a 2021 Harley Triglide with a 114. I love the chop of the SNS 475 but I don’t want to lose too much of the low end power would a woods 22xt be a better, cam for that big of a heavy bike ?
@GixxerFoo ....( 2003 FLHT CARB W/ stage 1 kit ) if i have to do it in 2 stages, 1st being S & S cam plate kit with all the updated parts with and 509 S & S cam. ( Stage 2) will that cam be sufficient for a S & S 98" kit with machined heads ? also will the stock cases and bottom half be able to handle that HP jump ? Thank you for your time and keep up the great videos, very helpful.
With my 2006 Road King at 15k miles I went to do the SE upgrade tensioner plate and kit with the HO pump etc.Went with by recommendation the Andrews 26 Conversion Cams.Also I had a set of Ultima high ratio 1.65 roller rockers.the fuel moto Vision tuner and their tune that I had to richen up on the low side to keep from stalling.Bike runs and sounds great also stock head pipes with some 4 inch open mufflers I got from a shop in Battle Ground Michigan.Bike does great but thinking of going to 9:5 to 1 KB pistons soon to give just a bump more compression.Not going higher cause here in Eastern Washington we get real hot summers.And our fuel is garbage.You never in any of your clips even mention Andrews 21,26, or 37 cams?
I'm running S&S 509 cams in my 2003 Dyna along with a TBR comp s pipe and SE heavy breather cone intake. It seems to make a little more power but I'm also running a baffle in the muffler because the exhaust was way too loud when I got it.
Would you leave your stock displacement and do a cam swap or add a big bore kit for increased displacement?
I don’t think you could go wrong with just the cams. That’s relatively cheap IMO. However I would recommend the SE 95 kit. With and Oil Cooler and 44mm Makuni and my motor just keeps chugging along with decent power. It is surprisingly dependable
One of my riding buddies Has a 2003 Dyna he upgraded to zippers 95” muscle kit & S&S G1 carb. the thing is a rocket
For now just cams. I'm wanting to turn my Road King in to Cholo Kong so i want to go big bore big cams big heads. Full meal deal! LoL
On the 88 really need to do cams with hydraulic conversion or else your just wasting time/money as you’ll have to do it eventually
Definitely go 95 will really wake it up ! I'm a huge fan of the 95 inch motor the short stroke rev's up quick !
That's a great point about what RPM range you ride in. To me, HP and torque numbers at 5500 RPM mean very little because I never go there. 2500 - 4000 is my world so this video gave me all the info I need.
Every Harley Davidson owner needs to know about this channel and especially us Twin Cam guys. ✌
Thank you! I appreciate that! I see so many people interested in the "stage 4 kit" just by looking at peak numbers. You get this big number up top but when you look at the RPM it's over 5k. The Stage 3 makes just as much and if not more in the lower RPM range up to 5K. Also a $1500 dollar difference so why pay more something you may never use?
Last year I put s&s gear drive 509 cams on my 99 road king and its amazing what a difference it made. I highly recommend them.
Hello fellow 99, carbureted Road King owner. I'm an original owner and love this beast.
That's an awesome bike! You can ride that bike as long as you want, it will serve for years!
I did the exact same thing to my 2000 RG. And I absolutely love it.
a wise choice on my part
Have 06 flhtcui screaming eagle 3-1/2 slip on arlen ness monster sucker ( that alone made a big difference ) now looking at the s&s 509 c cam chest kit ,pretty sure it's going in soon
Where would you start with carb adjustments
525 rapers S&S pushrods S&S rollers made a world of difference on my 04 Heritage fuel injected 88b I love it
I have the same bike same year I bought the fueling kit conversion cam plate thought the ss 509 cams would work with this camp late but it doesn't cuzz its a conversion so I'm going 525 mite as well match everything
Some people I think have lost sight of what an air cooled, pushrod VTwin Harley is about: The look, sound, the feel and experience. Some of these guys waste alot of money wanting to try and build a Harley that will smoke a Sportbike, while that is possible, it's going to be hard to beat these bigger bore Sportbikes 1200cc and over. Don't waste your time trying to do that. On an a Twin Cam 88 motor a 25 = 30 hp gain will make a huge difference. That would put you up in the 85 = 90 hp, and 100 ft. lbs of torque. range that will feel really good on a Twin Cam.
If I want a serious fast bike, I'll stick a crotch rocket motor in a custom chopper frame. I have an old 750 honda motor in a stretched out frame with Harley tanks and front end. Its lighter and faster than any of my Harleys and screams like a violated mountain lion. Harleys sound tough, straight piped crotch rockets sound terrifying.
I put SS 509s in my 88 and Screaming Eagle oil pump/billet cam plate and timkin bearings with hydraulic chain tensions. Love it. More power and oil pressure. Great upgrade
Sounds great! You got nothing to worry about on that bottom end now, 509 is a excellent cam in the 88. Did you go with the easy start option?
Would just like to thank you for convincing me that a Twin Cam was the way to go. I picked up a 103ci Fat Bob this week over a much more expensive M8 after seeing the performance differences weren't far apart. It came with bags, windshield, cobra slip ons, and only 4000 miles. I was surprised how much power it had. I'll be referencing any videos you've made on the 103ci TC for ideas. The fact that I can buy a whole new 111ci to 124ci motor from S&S for under 7 grand is cool too. Maybe you should do a vid on replacement motors next?
Fat Bob is one of my favorites, the stock seat on 103 Fat Bob is like a hammock. I love those seats, it's an excellent handling motorcycle too. I like the new Softail Fat Bob but at the end of the day I would do what you did and pick up a nice low miles used Dyna version.
I'm running the S&S 509 cams on my 03 Carbureted Dyna. My bike is set up a little heavy with a fairing, saddlebags, and a touring seat but I've also got upgraded brakes, chassis, and suspension. I guess you could call it a sport tour. As for the engine I've got the cams as mentioned along with a high flow air cleaner but with riding long distance I couldn't deal with the aftermarket exhaust I had on there for a while. So I modified a stock 2 into1 exhaust from a 2014 Dyna low Rider to fit my bike. I'm hoping it flows a little better than a stock exhaust for an 88 because it was made for a 107. I also removed the catalyst material and plugged where the O2 sensors would go. I'm not sure how much horsepower I'm giving up with this exhaust but I'm hoping it's not too much. I like the look and sound of it on the bike and I haven't noticed any real lack of power.
Great Post! I have run Bob Woods Cams For 10 Years.. I am very happy.
Thank you Mr Foo, questions have been answered! ! & one last thing , the old shelf had so much more character than the new 3 bracket monstrosity
Great video, wish I had seen it 15 years ago when I did my 88. If I remember correctly, I selected the Andrews TW37b on my 88, also changed to .030 head gaskets as I was there.. I have been happy with my selection (2500 - 5000) I was hoping to see tw37b on this video. Thanks , I enjoy your videos!!!
Came back for a second look.
If I read the chart correctly, the 509 cam produces significantly more hp and trq in the 2,000 to 3,500 range which is where I normally operate. That would definitely feel stronger than the Feuling cam to my style of riding.
Plus, I think I lucked out. With just stage one, my 88 can pull away at idle by just easing out the clutch. I have ridden in a group with other 88's and I was easily able to catch them when they sped up after a major slowdown. Now, with 85,000 miles I'm going in to replace the cam shoes and do a major re-torque of all nuts and bolts on the whole bike.
I greatly appreciate this review on the cams. I was researching the procedure of replacing the shoes when I found your review by accident.
That's exactly how you pick the right cam for your bike! You gotta look where you normally ride and not worry so much on the peak numbers.
@@GixxerFoo I was talking with an independent Harley repair shop regarding the cam shoes. he mentioned something relevant. If I install the 509 cam with higher lift, it wil be pushing the valves a tiny bit more into unused territory. That could mean the valve seals get scraped up and it will start burning oil. if the engine only had 30,000 miles it would probably not be an issue. But with 85,000 miles maybe I should replace the valve seals now while I am tearing down to replace the cam shoes.
Going with the tw6! Thanks for all the info on the tc88 really gives some clarity and insights
Glad to help!
Thanks for a clear and concise video.
I am leaning toward the S&S 509 due to the smoothness of the curve. I seldom run higher than 3000 between gears.
Before I picked up the bike, I had the dealer install high flow air filter, reworked the filter housing to allow air to enter from more places, rejet the carb, and install the screaming eagle ignition module. I drilled out the factory mufflers with a long drill extension so they breath a lot better but look stock if stopped by hard ass cop. My bike has so much torque I can ease out the clutch at idle and it takes off. I swapped the exhaust for V&H long shots but there was no cross over pipe between the pipes. The low end torque was gone. I put the stock exhaust back on and wow the torque was back. I could not believe the factory mufflers with crossover was better than with open exhaust, no crossover.
For your bike the 510 would be a better option!!
Better yet put D& D's on or old super traps made for screaming eagle
@@enricomandragona163 according to the chart, the 509 makes more power at low rpm. The 510 requires higher rpm to get the most from the cam.
@@unclemikeb in a real world mike the 510 is more established!!
Rule #1, Dyno charts are a general average. The same bike in different parts of the country are going to behave differently. Especially when you use a cam with an intake valve closing sooner than the factory cam of 34-36° ATDC!! Good example is the Andrews TW-21 and EV-21! Theses types of cams build up too much cylinder pressure with not a whole lot of duration to allow time for it to escape out of the exhaust system. Not much overlap either! Your gonna get pinging especially with a SE module!! At least with an Evo you can adjust the static timing. Get an adjustable module!
You want a good all around cam run the 203!! You'll be happy & it tolerates everything!!
Rule #2 don't listen to a drunk in a bar what can to run 🙄🤐
Thanks for the education! I appreciate all the work that must have gine into this.
I just got my bike back,went with the S&S 509 cam,S&S tappets,S.E pushrods/tubes,S.E hydraulic cam plate with high flow oil pump. Already had a Ness big sucker kit with breather bypass’s,BUB 2 into 1 pipe and a S.E pro tuner. Made 72 HP at 4850,94 Torque at 3250. Runout was .003, thanks for all the content,it helped with some of my choices.
Those are really good numbers on a 88! 88's put the torque down hard, excellent run out too!
The stock spring tensioner’s were in good shape when pulled,bike has 22k miles,everything looked good inside 👍
About a month ago, I put the Wood TW-6 cams and a Power Commander tuner on my 88 twin cam Electra Glide. I didn't have it dynoed but I'm very pleased with the results. Thanks for the advice.
Very nice! A cam makes a huge difference!
Any spring problems with installing the TW-6 cams ?
@@hermanbrown4786 I'm assuming you're talking about the valve springs, I didn't install them myself so I can't offer intelligence about installation. If you're asking about reliability I haven't had any problems, I chose TW-6 Nightprowlers 'cause I was given to believe that is as big as you can go without having to upgrade the rest of the valve train.
Got a 2000 88 ,Heritage Softail Classic.. Going threw it and your information is what I needed.. It's carburetor. Your information is right on it .. Thank you very much.. I'm Disabled Veteran this is my let out .. 68 yrs.
Thank you for your sacrifices for our nation.
@@buckguest3012 Thank you..
Thank you Sir!
Thank you for your service, my dad is also a Disabled Veteran. I'm glad you found the information you were looking for, a nice cam in your 88 will that Heritage a nice boost!
Hi from England! Really enjoyed this video
I ride a 2005 FXDWGi and have recently ordered some 509 cams for it. My experience over the years with S&S products is very positive plus the fact that very few cams other than these, SE ( not keen ) and Andrews ate readily available here across the pond
No outlet here that I'm aware of stock Wood, Fueling or Rocket cams so you guys have much more choice
Glad my 509s came out OK in the vid....
Thanks for working on the 88” TC buddy👍🏻
No problem 👍 It's still really good engine, there's nothing wrong with an 88!
I have a '99 TC88 FLHR and this video was very relevant, thank you for making it!
Thanks for watching! I hope it helped you get a good idea of what you can do with your 88!
I’m glad to hear your mention on the 509G cam. I just put a gears drive and 509G cams in my 2005 Fatboy. It a blaring with all that torque..
That's a nice setup going with that gear drive, no more tensioner worries down the road!
Does your 05 Fatboy have the factory 95 ci motor? I'd love to ride one sometime to compare to the stock 88ci.
Thanks for making this video, it really helped me with my cam questions and what I want to do.
That's awesome! I'm very happy to hear we could help get you going in the right direction!
I have a 05 Electraglide standard , a bro from my club installed the S&S 510 cams and roller bearing with gear drive , and a power commander, then took it down and had it dyno tuned , it screamed and still does 18 years later . Got hooked up by the club bros on the setup and install !! Recommend s&s. I was in the front and think they wanted to go faster ha ha
I appreciate this information a whole bunch! I got tons of Harley rider buddies but don’t know any who’ve upgraded their cam.
Thank you! Most bikes are just cams, air cleaner and a tune, after that cam is probably the most common upgrade.
Love all these cam reviews. I've completed engine upgrades on dozens of 88" twin cams from 2006 and down. Minimally I recommend a stage 2 upgrade with a gear cam that fits your riding style. I live near the mountains so I like the 509 for heavy bikes or for someone who rides with a passenger more often than alone. The Andrews 26 is the cam I recommend for one up and lighter motorcycles. I've also installed the SE 203 and SE 204 for those who want to stay with HD parts. Both are great but I lean towards the 204. I've never tried a Rocket cam but I think the one you reviewed needs to be installed in an 04 model or newer because of lift. Very hard to go by the peak numbers from different dyno machines. I always look at the curve over numbers. For example, my first stage 1 dyno tune at the Harley dealer claimed 103 TQ and 89 HP on my 2013 FLHTK. Never liked the tune so I took it to who I feel is the best in the area. His peak numbers before his tune showed 89TQ and 72HP. That's a huge difference for the same bike on different dyno's. Sorry for the long post but I love this stuff and can talk or type forever.
Since you have upgraded several TC88's, given your experience, would you recommend the 509 and head porting work for a 1999 Road King with a 230 lb rider? Right now all it has is an upgraded air cleaner, re-jetted carb and Fulsac true duals using mufflers off a CVO 110 bike.
I'm with you, I can go on and on about this stuff myself too! That's some great info on your installs, you and I are on the same page about the cams!
@@jimedward8908 My first question is do you have a local shop you trust? Second, do you like speed, torque, racing your buddies when the light turns green? An increase in displacement and headwork opens up another world when it comes to choices. I ride in the 2,000 to 3,500 rpm range so any power beyond 4,000 is wasted on someone like myself. This sounds like a great topic for another video. Hint, hint...
That's really not a bad idea, l tried to keep cams for the all around power. Finding good high torque cams that come on early and peak mid are easy to find.
@@jimedward8908 I would contact the person who's doing the head work so he can set up the chamber to the proper compression and the cams timing!
The S&S refresh was the way to go!!!!! Thanks again!!!
I have a 2000 carbed Deuce...no idea what upgrades were done internally. Put it on the Dyno after installing a Dakota Digital guage to dial in the speedo. Turns out its putting out 85hp and 95ftlb. Going to crack her open this winter and see what's been done. I know these cams will be older aftermarket. I am the 3rd owner. 1st owner did the staging...2nd owner was a mailman who owned it a year and knew nothing about the bike. Between these 2 owners it sat for 8 years in a sea of bikes for sale at a place called "Power Brokers" I purchased it with mileage @10k it now has 15k. Your videos are very helpful and I am anxious to find out what this TC88 has in it after seeing the numbers you have shown! Thanks for the great videos!!!!!
Thank you, I appreciate the support! That bikes had some work done to it for sure, those numbers are too strong to just be exhaust and an air cleaner.
Very useful info. Just purchased a 2002 heritage softail carb. with only 17728 mi. she is spotless. I am 61 y/o so I don't need a rocket. My scoot already has a stage one. I am going to add a 2into1 to replace the dual slips. Cut to the chase. All I need is to buy a good power cam will be all I need. Thanks so much for your vids you just saved me a lot of $$$$.
That's awesome! A good cam will bring a lot to the party in the motor, especially with that 2 into 1! For sure change out the tensioners with the new cam or even better upgrade the cam plate with one that has hydraulic tensioners and high volume oil pump.
@@GixxerFoo Yep!!!!!!
I just did the 509 swap last week. I am super pleased with how it pulls and pulls. I have the Reinhardt true duals on and it has the perfect amount of rowdy on the exhaust note
That is awesome! Rinehart really seems to be what a lot of shops are recommending!
Hey Michael, same here! did you have to retune after this upgrade?
@@DJDooxx 509s and RH true duals as well. A good tune is a wonderful thing
Tried the 509g in a SE 95 bigbore??
@@twitterjackedmitchell8096 509 is a low lift cam, I'd try something else in a 95 and maybe add head work if the budget allowed and then you'd have something fun
I put an S&S 509 gear cam in my 2002 Electra glide FI and the wood ( night prowler) TW6 gear cam in my wife 2010 super glide (96). Best thing I’ve done for my Electra so far. I just love the torque that move the bike. It’s no rocket but I do not downshift to pass a vehicle anymore. Took a bit of fiddling with the tuning but got it right on now. The wife is now pleased with hers as before she felt that the power delivery was different and she did not like it at first. We are both very happy now and no, the noise isn’t noticeable.
I'm wanting to replace my stock cam on my 2002 Fatboy with a gear drive if crank runout will allow it. I was thinking of going with the S&S 509. After watching this again I'm leaning toward the TW6. Some forums mention the TW6 is much noisier than some, I see you you say it's not noticeable. Curious if you had my bike which of the 2 gear cams would you choose?
@@robbaar7035 I am partial to my 509. I like the torque it produce, it is tractor like. Not much high rpm but then I rarely need to go there. I am a big and heavy man so racing is not in my plan, I enjoy riding and keep my rpm low. I do not ride my wife’s bike unless I have to trouble shoot something but it is very reliable so my seat time has been very short. Power is in higher rpm and sportier so it is your choice. My Electra is 850+ pounds and your fat boy is about 720 so I would consider the tw6 very closely or s&s510. The 509 is best suited for heavy bike. That’s just my opinion.
@@yz490w Thanks, I appreciate your response. Would I need to replace valve springs if I went with the S&S 510?
@@robbaar7035 no, stock valve train. Look at the video on s&s.
@@yz490w
I have a 2002 Fatboy with a stock 88 ci other than a Bassani Road Rage II 2 into 1 exhaust, a K & N high flow air cleaner, and a Dynojet Power Vision tuner. I flashed the tune Dynojet sent me for what I currently have. I want to add a S & S cam plate kit with new oil pump and 509 gear drive cams if crankshaft runout allows it. My question is do I need a new Dynojet tune for the cam change? All the tunes I've looked at on Dynojet website only ask what you have for exhaust and air cleaner, nothing I can find about cams?Maybe the current tune I have will work with the 509 cam upgrade?
This is by far my favorite 88" upgrade video. It encourages me to save some money ignoring the BB kit. Plus it's on a lighter Dyna, which would make it a snatcher to ride!
Great to hear! The big bore kits are great but if you don't have the right cam it's not gonna do much. You can do a cam swap and get some major gains with just the 88" displacement. It's all about compression and the right cam with a big bore kit.
@@GixxerFoo That Woods "TW-6" is a "winner" to me too. Friend dropped one in his 07' Softail Standard. Cam only in 96", and the normal stage 1. That bike left me sooo hard from the light, it was insane! 😮 And my Stage 1 88" runs hard. I didn't expect him leaving that bad!
That wood makes serious power in the 96, not too far off from the same cam in a 103. Wood makes a cam for the 88 that runs really strong.
@@GixxerFoo TW-6 or TW-5-5-5
The TW-6 l like if you're keeping stock compression and not going to be building the engine any further. The TW-555 works well with an other wise stock motor, but it's a better choice if you plan on doing head work and building the bike out more.
I went all the way with the S&S 100” kit with 585 cams. I also went with the S&S heads, super G carb, and a great tune!!!! I am extremely happy with their products from S&S!
Sounds like you did everything right on that build! If you're going to do it go all the way!
You must be pretty close to 120 horsepower.
i went with the TW6 , my 02 softail came alive . Feels good to see the forks lift to the stops ! Great bang for your buck . Glad i came across your videos !
Did you do any other upgrades at the same time you did the cams?
@@earlcullen1050 none except cam tensioners from cyco
Kick ass video man been researching cams for months really like the 509 cam or Andrews 21 cam as well thanks again
Thank you, l appreciate your support on the channel! Both are really strong cams, either way it will feel like a whole new bike!
@@GixxerFoo 👍🏼
Nice, excelent content, very helpful, I look at the catalogs and it all starts to run together.
Thank you! I really appreciate the support! The catalogs really get muddy and don't offer a great explanation of what everything is and really does. Worst thing you can do is just pick something and then not be happy with it.
Good video. I've owned a carbureted 88 and now own a fuel injected one so I've been looking for an upgrade without breaking the bank. Thanks for the information. ( I am worried about that shelf behind you, though!) 😂
I have watched all ur videos on the 88 (that's the motor I have in my 06 heritage) and to be honest man it really seems like you should just pass the 88 up and go for the 96 or 103 (if that new of a bike is in you're budget) if you are looking for power. I bought the bike i have because I always wanted a heritage and the price was right. I honestly wish I would have saved a little more money and got a newer bike with at least a 96 in it. Just one man's opinion. Ur videos are amazing and I watch them all the time!!! 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
Thank you, l appreciate it! The 88 really isn't all that bad, they all have their quirks. The 03 to 06 models do really well, very reliable engines.
Great videos. I love your opinions on each motor, good or bad, to separately. I'm looking at an 2004 EFI 88 twin cam Heritage Classic with a Frankenstein trike kit. It has the Stage 1 with V&H shorty pipes. I'm was thinking of adding S&S 509 cams. I was impressed with the increase in torque over stock. Is there a better cam used for an 88 trike? With the Frankenstein kit I would think its weights about the same as an UG
Andrews 26h is my choice for twin cams as the power range is where we all mostly ride in. Great cams.
Did Andrews TW37B cams, .510 lift, Thunderheader & carb work. Big improvement.
That's some solid work, the Thunderheader is a damn fine exhaust system!
I did an air cleaner slip-ons and a fueling 525 cams and man it really woke the bike up oh and that's a twin cam 88 and you want to take it to
It's amazing what a cam will do on Harley!
@@GixxerFoo
OK. I'm getting ready to accept the deficiencies of the H-D Big Twin (I think?). I have been paying close attention to what you've said about the bearings on the 88 and how affordable these bikes are these days. The part that sold me was the 98 cubic inch trick with Hammer and proper Wood cams, not too mention the cam tensioner trick. I've located a 2000 Fatboy with 5,400 original miles, so immediately getting the thing dialed in from the get go is a huge plus. Coming from a '08 Suzuki BKing and now a '14 Suzuki V-Strom DL1000, I absolutely have to have a reliable, useful motorcycling experience. I also have a 2002 Buell S3T Thunderbolt with 10K original miles. I cannot stand unreliable or expensive repairs and absolutely need reliable, day in day out performance. I don't mind wrenching on things, but everything has too come together in a cost effective and efficient manner.
Thanks for your channel...you do a great job...i have learned a lot from you
Thank you, I really appreciate! That's great to hear!
I’ve got a 2001 fxst I picked up a few years ago with 15,000kms on it. After watching your videos I went ahead and bought the Feuling OE+ conversion cam plate package. I just booked in to get it installed along with the rocket 514c cams and screamin eagle adjustable push rods. Bike currently only has 42mm mikuni and vance and Hines big radius pipes… very little info on the 514’s availability in Australia can be tough and these cams were readily available… hoping I don’t regret my decision 😅
Also I see you Americans often talking about poor fuel quality? We have 98 octane fuel available at basically every gas station across the country, our lowest grade fuel is 91 octane. I always run 98, can i expect a better performing bike running this fuel?
Good explanation of the cam operation and what works best for what your looking for.....
Love the 525..! Great vid. Really learned today
Glad to hear it! It's all about the power curve and matching it to where to you ride.
My buddy went gear to gear and installed a pair of 585 cams with new valve springs. I installed an HSR 42 on it and that thing is just downright NASTY!! Easily north of 80hp to the back tire.
Woods ..thanks for your time...
I’m shocked you didn’t talk about the Andrews tw37b cams. Usually compared closely to the S&s510
Thanks for the great Video from Germany.
Michael
Glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate you watching and supporting!
Excellent video/info.
Thanks ! 🤠
Tks for the info, im riding 06 ultra FI, need power for riding the mountains. Looks like the 509 will do it for me. Many thanks for sharing your info.
509 is a strong cam, I really like the Wood cams for their all around power but they are pricey. S&S has those easy start cams which is a genius idea!
I've been waiting for this!!!
I hope it helped you out!
Just completed my upgrades today. Fueling camplate and oilpump, 525 cams, V&H intake, headers and slipons. Good tune set.
Really starts pulling from about 2200 rpm. For an 88 with 135k kilometers on it..😀👍
2000 FXDWG 54,000 miles. Stage 1 @ 72 HP, 85 ft-lbs. I'm ready to order parts for the for stage 2 using the Feuling camchest upgrade with either 525/ 543 can set or Andrews 37N. In hindsight was your 525 a good choice? I live in wide open country and this is a lightweight solo ride. Just doing the cams now and the Hammer 98" cylinder and head kit next year. Thanks in advance.
@@buckguest3012 Yep, the 525 was for me a good choice. Very happy with it. My set up however is set for 2 up long travel across Europe when the bug is gone.
@@buckguest3012 This is all on a 2004 Electra Glide Classic.
@@64Goef Many thanks sir for the response. Enjoy and ride safely.
525 is a excellent choice for high torque, adding that Feuling cam plate is just some added insurance as well.
Seems like the "Wood TW6" would be nice. I got a 06 Deuce with Stage one. Figure give them a try. Bike is practically new with 11k on the clock..bought it 4 years ago with only 237 miles for $7k. Such a nice well balanced comfortable bike..I just need to keep up with my bud that just got a Low Rider S...lol
You got a steal on that bike! You find a deal like that you can't pass it up! A cam upgrade will wake that 88 up!
You answered a lot of questions. Thanks
Thanks for this video I fitted an s&s 509 on my 05 road king 80.04 bop 100ftlbs transformed to bike it is such fun to ride
That big torque has got to be a blast to ride! Those 88's make awesome torque right in the sweet spot.
Andrews TW37G, 510 Lift. V&H slip ones, carb kit, screaming eagle air filter.
This gave the 88" on the 2002 FLHT new life. 63k miles and running strong.
Were these just drop in ? No other upgrades needed ?
Yes ... adjustable pushrods .. ... what I did in 2000. 77 horses
I like the torque on the Fueling but the TW6 is impressive. Tough choice for my 03 fxdl.
The only down side to a Wood cam is they are somewhat noisy. They keep the valves open longer and the ramp angle is aggressive. If you're not worried about noise the Wood cam is great. The Feuling is an awesome cam too, it's definitely going to quieter than the Wood.
Great video & advice.I chose the wood cam TW6 with a power vision tune from fuel moto.I will be installing this winter.
Nice 👍
2000 88 FLHR carburetor wood cams tw 6 runs great
I was waiting to hear about aAndrews, assuming they make one for the 88.
I know when i had a sportster, they were recommended by Hammer performance.
I get it GFOO"personally interested" in these selections for TC88. I wish I had this great comparative video months ago as I was trying to select cams for my 06 RK. After perusing the forum posts opinions I went with Andrews TW21s. I'd like to have had a comparative curve for this app. But, no complaints, I'm happy with the (surprising) seat of pants results with these TW21s, V&H 2-1 Pro Pipe, V&H Fuelpak and Arlen Ness big sucker.
Sounds like you have a hell of a setup on your bike, that seat of the pants feel is what it's all about. We can look at graphs and numbers all day but it all comes down to how the bike feels when you hit it.
As I've said, with those cams, your mileage will suck because it's such a dang BLAST to ride! But mine is carved; you probably do better.
Heck, didn't become a biker in my youth to save gas anyway!
😆😂 that's where the mileage, it's not the cams but the wrist.
Your doing an excellent job ! Keep it up
Thank you! Will do! I appreciate the support!
My tuner put in a tts 100, d&d, and big sucker, dyno tuned with tts master tune.
I like the sound of the S&S 509 and the Wood can for my FI 88.
I’ll be doing wood tw6 cams for sure in my 2005 Electra glide efi 🤘🏻
Great Video. My riding is usually on back roads, two up. And occasionally on the highway. So, 1500 - 5000 is my range. I am leaning towards the S&S 509, but would like to compare it to the 510. If you could do a comparison between the two, that would be great. Thanks!
Great information and thanks, my question to you is that I am going to do the S&S 509c on my 88. Am I require to install the Timken Bearing sleeve or is this part require when going Big Bore Kits only ?
Just Recieved 525 conversion kit for my 88 fueling
you are straight up tech master!
Lol thanks, but I am far from master. I like to find the best products to help everyone get the most from their bikes and get it done inexpensively.
I did the S$S 509 hydraulic on my 03 Heritage EFI. Vance and Hines Big Shots with quiet baffles and tuner, with Arlen Ness big sucker. I can’t believe how much harder it pulls now. No valve train noise at all. It’s worth every penny. Maybe a 95 kit someday…….. but not really needed ?
Have you already installed a 95 kit in combo with the 509?
@@flsgeertf it was going to be "next"
But the 509s opened it up so much I'm still waiting. Might do a complete S&S 97" with S&S 89 heads. Keep the compression around 9.7 so getting premium fuel in the tank at blender pumps is never an issue compared to 10:1 or higher.....?
Alright finally this year is the time. Putting a cam in my 05 lowrider and i always come back to this Gixer video. Everyone at the shop keeps pushing the 525 reaper over SE and a few others... What does the Gixer think? Last question about cams i promise 😁😫
I've been thinking of putting the S&S100inch kit with the 585 easy start cams in my 03 heritage. But I've been holding back because I think the 585 cams might be a little bit more than I want for high RPM and lack of lower RPM. After watching your video I looked into the wood night prowler cams for the 88. I wonder how that cam would do with 100 cubic inch? The kit bumps compression up to 10.5. and the cams have a pretty short duration. I wonder if the short duration and higher compression might lead into detonation and pre ignition issues? With that aspect aside I would think that using the wood night prowler cam and the extra 12 cubic inches should yield another 5 to 7% horsepower over what your graph shows at the end of your video?
Thanks for this video. Watched it last week, but didn't get the chance to comment. Yep, going with the 525 for my 03 Dyna. Looking forward to it. Hope you're doing better with the weather related issues.
Good choice! You'll enjoy that torque and it come on early too! Yes, doing much better now! Power is back and cleanup is coming along, back to making videos too!
@@GixxerFoo would you locktite rocker arm bolts? I have both Haynes & Clymer manuals and neither say to locktite them. But I've seen some reputable TH-camrs locktiting them. Thanks for any inputs.
It's not a bad idea if you're going to do it, just use blue, not red. With red you will never get it out. Just use a little blue for safety sake, it's good piece of mind. That's what l do, emphasis on a little 👍.
@@GixxerFoo Thanks for the response.
Not a problem, anytime!
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, and see dyno chart, for the S&S 510 cams in a carbureted 88ci. Or even a comparison between the S&S 509 cams and 510 cams.
I like the tw-6 but that bike seemed like it’s got valve float or something. Great power but the curve is just rough looking. Any insight?
I highly Recommend the 100” big bore kit!!!! My dyna just rips now!!!! Paired up with the V&H big radius exhaust and it’s just a mean machine now.
I love hearing that! Plus your not buried under a crushing monthly payment like a lot of people are chasing the M8's power.
Hello. In the kit from the S&S there are camshaft bearings. Can they be put in a stock camplate? Or does camplate need to be changed necessarily when replacing camshafts? And oil pump too.
@gixxerfoo just an update. I went with the woods tw6 as you recommended. I went with a screaming eagle 95ci big bore kit and zero headwork and my deuce dynoed at just under 91hp and 100.3 tq. Couldn’t be happier with this build thank you so much for the cam recommendation. Btw the cam sounds very mean
That's awesome! That's some serious power without headwork! If you decide to do some head work there's even more to be had! Thank you for the update, I appreciate it!
@@GixxerFoo I inquired about headwork to the dyno guy and he said that headwork probably wouldn’t get me much more because my cam is a bolt in cam. If I did headwork would I have to change cams?
Ehhhh shouldn't have to, the Wood cam is pretty stout. If you did do some head work with valve springs and go with an even more aggressive cam you would get quite a bit more. But you wouldn't have to change the cam, a port and polish on the heads would give it more with that TW6.
@@GixxerFoo thank you that will be next!
I think I'll go with a woods tw6 cams in my carb 88cid question bud wood you do some porting and polishing on the heads
I just ordered a set of the S&S 509’s! Great video bro thank you!!!
Right on! You'll enjoy those cams, it's gonna feel like whole new bike!
@@GixxerFoo thanks for the info bro! Great channel!
Thank you! I appreciate you're support!
What if a TC88 is upgraded with the Fuel Moto 98 Cu.In." Extreme Duty Cylinder / Piston Kit? What cam would you recommend with that kit? And, would it require new valve springs? Which ones? Of course, the Feuling OEX Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Conversion Kit, or similar, would be a given with that bigger bore kit. Just getting all this info together here. Thanks. Really liking these TC88 videos! Not into high speed, or racing, just respectable power when needed and dependable, solid reliability.
Thanks for tips I put the woods rw6 8n my 01 softail and got 85hp and 90 to also on my 12 dyna 103 I used the ss 577 with cobra 2 into 2 got 96hp and 115tq I really like the woods cam it also had the vh Longshot. Tks so much
No problem 👍 Those wood cams are pretty damn impressive for bolt ins!
Haven’t even listened to it all yet, but thanks!
Always happy to help!
Didnt the 06 88 have the revised heads which had ovule beehive springs which could handle a higher lift?
Good Morning! My name is Phil . Thank I’m taking your recommendation on the wood tw-6 cams on my 2003 Heritage! New Cams and New Hydraulic chain tensioners high flow oil pump! I’m going to ask about the tinker bearings Chang out or is that standard procedure?
great video! i commented this very question last vid... (or maybe it was the one before...?) not saying you created and posted this vid specifically for my question but hot damn! lol. even if you did not see my comment/question, you answered it with this vid. Great job man!
I really like the Wood cam and the S&S 509 cam but it doesn't look like it's available for the 2006 year model so it looks like the decision was made for me... Wood cam it is. what a FREAKIN BUMMER! lol. but i wonder what makes the Dyna 88TC 2006 year model different (edit : which so happens to be my model)?
i am going to pull the cam cover off and see what's going on in there. i do not have a current cam tensioner issue at the moment, but my 88TC does have 37k miles and i have no clue to what the current state of my cam tensioners are. since my bike runs around 230-250 degrees (depending on the day temp wise) i am almost certain it's stock, i mean i know know it's not gear drive. also, wouldn't operating at the temps mentioned indicate that a S&S cam plate is absent? (just my thought process based on my limited exp with H-D engines)
on a side note, have you thought of trying to do a patreon or something so we can throw money at your feet while you dance for us? lmao. j/k about the dancing part yet serious about patreon or something. even doing a $1 per vid would be a nice way for us to show our appreciation. even if only 1% of 10k subs doing $1 would generate something to help offset the cost of producing these vids
The 06 Dyna's for whatever reason the A motor they put hydraulic tensioners in that year. The Dyna line was the only engines that got them, softail and touring still had spring tensioners. Since the 509 isn't available for the 06 that leads me to believe they changed the valve springs in the heads that year as well. The 509 was created to work with the stock valve springs on the 88 heads, I'll have to check but the S&S 550 or 551 might bolt into the 06 Dyna. I've thought about Patreon but I just wouldn't feel right asking for money on the videos, I like to get all the information I had dig for and put it all in once place for everyone.
Great job on the videos🙌 I’ve learned a ton about HD from you. In the spring I’m look to buy a used bike. The information you’ve shared has been incredible helpful. Keep up the good work, cheers!🥃 p.s. if you come up with any T-shirt ideas, I’d love to support the channel.
Glad to help! I really appreciate your support! What model are you looking at?
@@GixxerFoo I’m looking at an 05 fxdwg carbureted. It’s low miles, excellent condition, and a pretty good price. However, the used Harley market is a buyer’s paradise. For just a little bit more money I could get an 06-08 maybe 09 night train. The night train has been my dream bike since day one. The 6 speed transmission is very appealing. The 96 seems like a great motor but so is the 88. So for now I’ll keep doing my homework and watching the market.
If you can get an 09 Night Train for a little more l would jump on it, those bikes are hard to find!
Woods baby Woods, thanks for the comparisons
Not a problem at all, that Wood is a tough competitor
I really like the specs on the 514 cam so I’m planning on buying that but I can’t find any info on what type of jet kit I need for the carburetor. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you
02 fule inj. RK. 88ci. At 2500mil I had an HD stage2 kit installed, wt. The 95ci.,203cams at the dealer, wt. their download tune. What a slug, my shovel had more balls. At 35,000mils, I put in fuelings 525 reaper kit, cams, lifters, cam plate, oil pump, etc: with a 2-1 exhaust. & a Daytona TT. tuner that I downloaded myself. don't know about numbers but it does pull from idle to 5500rpm wt. no flat spots or hesitation.
Whats up mad great video, i have a stock 88 twin cam, well…. Stage 1. 2 into one 2 brothers racing exhaust, arlen ness big sucker intake and v&h fuelpak. I got a 2005 dyna FI. After seeing this video I want to do the wood cams, besides the cams what else would you recommend i replace? And Im sure I would need a different tuner right? Thanks
Great content! Thank you!
My pleasure!
I have a 2021 Harley Triglide with a 114. I love the chop of the SNS 475 but I don’t want to lose too much of the low end power would a woods 22xt be a better, cam for that big of a heavy bike ?
@GixxerFoo ....( 2003 FLHT CARB W/ stage 1 kit ) if i have to do it in 2 stages, 1st being S & S cam plate kit with all the updated parts with and 509 S & S cam. ( Stage 2) will that cam be sufficient for a S & S 98" kit with machined heads ? also will the stock cases and bottom half be able to handle that HP jump ? Thank you for your time and keep up the great videos, very helpful.
Just ordered the gear drive 509’s. I checked the runout and I am good to go.
That's awesome to hear! The 509's are an excellent cam for the 88!
With my 2006 Road King at 15k miles I went to do the SE upgrade tensioner plate and kit with the HO pump etc.Went with by recommendation the Andrews 26 Conversion Cams.Also I had a set of Ultima high ratio 1.65 roller rockers.the fuel moto Vision tuner and their tune that I had to richen up on the low side to keep from stalling.Bike runs and sounds great also stock head pipes with some 4 inch open mufflers I got from a shop in Battle Ground Michigan.Bike does great but thinking of going to 9:5 to 1 KB pistons soon to give just a bump more compression.Not going higher cause here in Eastern Washington we get real hot summers.And our fuel is garbage.You never in any of your clips even mention Andrews 21,26, or 37 cams?
Bad choice for pistons unless they are forged!
I have a 2005 dyna tc88, what cam between the 509 and Andrews 21 would you recommend? or what's the best cam to use for mainly freeway riding?. Thanks
I'm running S&S 509 cams in my 2003 Dyna along with a TBR comp s pipe and SE heavy breather cone intake. It seems to make a little more power but I'm also running a baffle in the muffler because the exhaust was way too loud when I got it.
What cv jet sizes did you run with
@@larrydever5166 I have to go look but I thought I used a 46 and 195.
The 46 was from CV performance and I also used their new needle for the slide.