This thing will get you the Highest Resolution from Retro Games (OSSC)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มี.ค. 2019
- The Open Source Scan Converter allows you to plug your retro consoles, like a Sega Genesis or a Super Nintendo, into modern TVs and increase the picture quality SIGNIFICANTLY from that measly little 240p image to glorious high definition. Your pixels never looked better.
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U need a RGB SCART cabel not a composite SCART cabel. For best picture. Important info :-)
@martin cloutier Rgb is the same as a component. You can get an rgb cable and rgb upscaler to hdmi.
In response to 5"15 about the CRT, there are certain games that did take advantage of the blurry image of RF/Composite and the scan lines of a CRT and combined them to make a more detailed image, and it can't be replicated with scan converters like the OSSC. Also if you look into it you can get your scart cables hooked up to a CRT, or use the HD retrovision on a component capable CRT and it will look nice and sharp without the need for the OSSC.
always improving the quality of your videos, impressive. Love the idea of Will facts hahaha.
Loved the "Will Fact" bit. Awesome job guys keep it up
the OSSC was one of the best additions to my game room for running Sega Saturn, Genesis / 32X / Sega CD, PS2 on my HD TV via RGB SCART. Recently I have been going into tweak the settings and save profiles from the Firebrand recommended guides.
Firebrand recommended guides? Tell me more about it please :)
Honestly, playing a link to the past in a higher quality would be a dream
Vsauce Puppet snes Classic you dumbass
It's a very accessible dream that's been accessible for years. Maybe not such a dream if you are unaware of this. Not sure why the need for a mediocre comment.
Emulate it on PC and output the signal to your TV. Dream achieved.
Link Between Worlds kek
Link to the past doesn't play nicely w upscaling. It has sync issues.
I wouldn’t mind it one bit if the Will Facts became a recurring thing. Just saying.
Kenny Johnson will is always right
I agree. MORE WILL FACTS!!!
Love your videos man. Just wanted to offer this thought; originally I like you wanted no scanlines, just totally bright clean pixels. Then it occured to me when the games designers made the games there was no choice but to have scan lines. How the games look was designed around the scanlines. To remove them, is to take away from how the games were made to be seen. To trying to change how you play, but when I realised that, I change and never went back. I found that they actually made the games look better not worse. As counterintuitive as that sounds. Anyway, just a thought. You do you, and keep enjoying the games!
I haven't even watched the video yet and I am pumped. Its not even like Best SNES or Nes resolution just retro games. Thanks man!
So I had to look up an upscaler for my sister and almost IMMEDIATELY you came to mind. I just lookup best upscaler for retro gaming and boom, you come up. Keep up the excellent work man.
You make the best videos, hands down. This is awesome
Yes, I'm one of those "crazies" that prefers the smoother look of the CRT. Perfectly happy with S-video or component on the blur-o-vision. Absolutely hate the count-the-pixels look.
Me too.. I also want scanlines. 😨😨😨🤣
Very nice explanation, thanks buddy!
Really enjoyed this vid. I came here looking to answer which cable SCART or Component would be better to use with OSSC. I take from your vid that essentially there is no difference in quality but SCART seems to be cheaper over RetroVision cables. For someone that is looking to change over different retro consoles it seems SCART would be better (since AV is cabled over one plug/cable VS 3 RCA + 3.5mm.)
SCART seems like a no brainer for cost and convenience over component. But have I missed anything?
Dude I didn't understand anything but I loved your video. I'm suscribed.
finally someone who says what you need to run games on an ossc! i wondered why my wii doesn't show me an image on my ossc
i've watched a lot of videos on the ossc but this is far the best one for beginners to wrap their heads around.
Already have the super nt and will soon have the mega sg.
Thanks for the very informative video!
The ossc looks crispier than the nt. The colours are better and the resolution is higher with perfect scanlines
$180? you know what, i just learned to love pixels. thank you.
Radicalord yeah just squint a little they blend in pretty well
Radicalord just wait until you find out how much the device a step up is the xrgb mini..... 300+
@@JeanRodo Ouch, with 300$ you can buy a frickin' console.
What happened, they went bankrupt or something. lol
The Framemeister (xrgb mini) is indeed expensive, but I love mine and I'm so glad I have it in my set-up. My goal was/is to have all of my retro systems connected and ready to play without any plugging/unplugging. To do this I have rgb scart cables for every system plugged into a scart switch, then into the framemeister and finally to the hdmi input of my flat screen. I get it that this is overkill for a lot of people just wanting to play old games, but it was something I wanted to do and is possible. The picture I get out of the framemeister is great too.
One thing I would really like from a device like this (especially since it's aimed directly at games) is some of the filters that you find in emulators, such as SAI, Eagle, and AdvMAME. Since it's an open source project, I imagine somebody could do it and they might come eventually. Nearest neighbor stuff isn't terribly exciting to me, though.
Wulff, which do you prefer? Framemeister or ossc?
You lost me at "CRT TVs are a blurry mess".
I agree. Every time I read or watch videos like this I wonder if these people REALLY played on a CRT TV, properly. Even my DVDs look better on a CRT TV than MANY Blu-ray Discs on a LCD or OLED Full HD or 4K Display. Only Plasma Displays look almost "on par" with the clarity and resolution in motion that only CRT TVs can .
As much as I like CRTs (I use a Sony 20" PVM), most CRTs ARE a blurry mess when using composite. Only reason the PVM looks so good is because I'm using RGB out of my retro consoles.
@@scorpian007 Well, that's the Composite Cable, no the CRT. BUT even Composite looks better on a CRT than RGB OSSC on a LCD or OLED. I'm not talking about still pictures but video content.
EDIT: Also, PlayStation 3 looks AMAZING on a CRT TV, even with Composite Cable (some games I'm pretty sure were made with CRT TV in mind, some weren't). Have you seen resident evil 4 PS3 version on a CRT TV? Every time I put the System and game, I'm amazed HOW GOOD and better looks on the CRT TV than on my OLED. Yes, even 480i with Composite Cable (CRT TV) vs HDMI 720p (OLED).
@@Red05x can you go into the reasons WHY the CRT displays rgb content better than newer tv standards? And what do you mean by not still pics but video content. Isnt video content essentially made up of still pictures?
You fanatics are biased AF. I'm looking up OSSC specifically BECAUSE CRTs are a blurry mess. You're attached to your past, don't get fooled by that, CRTs are inferior compared to modern tech.
thanks Wolfster!!
Absolutely interested. Gonna look em up
Hey, one of the crazy ones that still uses a crt. I like my scanlines and the contrast is unparalleled. Yes, you get sharp pixels but grey blacks(ewww) unless you have an OLED.
But in the eventual death of crts, the ossc and the retrotink are interesting options. I'm not on the fpga train yet, but that may change.
Finally the genesis also has several revisions. E.g. the genesis 3 will output rgb but no stereo sound!.
Keep being awesome!
I have three crts. One vga, one vga diamondtron and my favourite is my b&o consumer tv. Looks sharper than anything else. Of course a consumer tv can look smoother thanx to the shadow mask. Playing 240p games on a modern screen just looks bad
What type of Upscaler/cables/trick you recommend for a sharper image on a SNES mini that already has an HDMI output? Thanks.
I certainly will be looking into one of these once able. I'm using a GANA AV2HDMI adapter I bought for 15$ as a bandaid solution. I don't have the scrap for an OSSC or Framemiester, but the E-SDS upscaler is a better product than I have at an affordable price, so I'll be coming back for that affiliate link dont you worry.
Hello,
Okay so just want to get this straight. If I purchased a Scart RGB cable for my original XBOX, would it work on my Framemeister? I planned on purchasing a Scart RGB cable for mr original XBOX today but I wanted to ask you this question before I did. Thx in advance!
Thanks, great job!
Awesome video 😁.
It’s amazing on an OLED screen where every pixel turns on and off individually. Even crispier. 😍
Yeah the First year its nice and than after 1,5 years the oled starts to loose his from the factory already low brightness.
@@cromy4589 thats good for u. But maybe u cant see it because u dont have another brandnew oled side by side to see the difference. But at the end the thing is that u are happy with ur tv :)
Thanks for all the info! I was first thinking about the RetroTink 2x, but this has changed my mind. I saw this OSSC on aliexpress for €100 - €115. Are this the same OSSC's, or do they sell fake ones? And will it work in PAL on SNES / N64?
I'm trying to find out if the Ali Express version is legit myself. Did you order from there in the end?
"CRTs are a blurry mess." Meanwhile I'm retro gaming in pixel-perfect Sony CRT monitor.
Dear God Bless you going through definition of TVs Damn that Rabbit hole....
Top man, thanks for doing this vid I'm gonna get one :)
I'm currently using my Snes and Ps2 through component cables on a 24" Sony Trinitron, I am considering getting either an ossc or framemeister to connect them to my HD TV and PC monitor.
I got an OSSC last year to get the best image out of my Gamecube that I xeno-chipped and since then I've used it with my Super Famicom and Neo Geo AES, everything looks amazing.
Great video! 😊
Hey so I have an ossc and used good rca scart cables for both ps1 and ps2 games. I noticed the characters on games like smackdown! 2 know your role and Jill on Resident evil 3 looks pixelated. Do you know exactly how I can fix that?
Amazing Video
Omg !! The best , una pasada , lo comprare 👏👏👏👏
This thing works for grater than 240p like sega saturn or analog video cameras?
Will these make your laser discs look better also got a 4K tv
Does it work with a c64 signal? I’m having a hard time finding an upscaler that doesn’t choke on c64 output.
I am very happy with my Framemeister XRGB mini and on a 4k tv the 720p output (for accurate scanelines) looks better than on a 1080p monitor/tv.
Love J&L game store!
There's also the Retro Tink 2x for a cheaper simpler lag free option
But there's no rgb scart option only composite, s-video & component :( there is the scart 2x though but for the full range you'd have to buy both 😭
I would be awsome if in future videos to give information if there are any difference between PAL ect. If the products still can be used on all versions. :)
Wish notifications worked consistently!!
When playing ps2 I set the ossc output to 480p x2 and a horizontal band of messed pixels go across the image. I can only get a good image on passthrough. Have you experienced this with the ossc on 480p?
Not in the exact case you have but yes. It’s probably your TV which is not a fan of the 960p signal. Mine does fine with it but when I add the Mclassic in the equation I get the same thing (with Wii).
So what would you recommend for Sega Saturn?
While most people could probably get by with a CRT or PVM, I will say that this thing would be great to capture footage for retro gaming channels
does the m classic make the picture better with the ossc or worse?
can you please make a video about how you can stream the Nintendo switch with or without capture card please
Did you get that scart cable from j n l
I have a Sega Genesis mini and thought I could just plug the HDMI into my Samsung and I would have clear crisp HD gaming but that didn’t happen 😢 what would I need for my Sega Genesis mini and nes mini to look clear like your gameplay did... it only comes with the hdmi plugs
That is actually an amazing price compared to the competition. I use an Amazon option but this is not too much of a jump in price and looks decent!
What's the Amazon option?
@@kainhighwind2 the first device he mentioned, cheap up scalers for around $50. Not an Amazon branded one.
kainhighwind2 if your just trying to get component video there’s a specialty av scart to component transcoded however you will need a break out adapter for sound
I've been meaning to buy one of these things for ages now - I'd much rather get the best image I can get through the original hardware and devices like the OSSC or Framemeister help getting older consoles (especially those that work through Interlaced resolutions) working on newer TVs. Hopefully the company's move to Ireland due to the Brexit nonsense doesn't fuck anything up to much for them.
I have the xrgb and the ossc with a SNES Jr (one chip) with the rgb mod running a scart cable, SNES has brightness, ghosting and vertical line fixed, also has digital audio via fibre optic and a region free chip. I love the SNES Jr and the OSSC is way better than the xrgb imo
3:20 You shop at J and L games as well? Great retro and current game store.
These Will Facts need to be a thing in more videos
Thanks alot budd been looking for something 4 N64
A good mod for the N64 is the deblur from etim. It looks great IMO, it comes with a toggle switch on the side of the console and you can swap back and forth during gameplay. Its tops!
What do you think about the sumosys?
Hey guys love these in-depth videos! Did you knew there’s a modern Panasonic oled TV that has component and composite inputs for retro consoles? I compared the upscaler of the tv with retrotink 5x pro and it upscales just as good if not better visually wise! Tv has best PQ i seen and very good build in speakers (tuned by technics) tv is Panasonic HZ2000. Maybe you guys could checkout the HZ2000? It’s not known by many and convenient wise very easy to set up retro consoles.
There's always the buy an old ass tv and play old consoles on it method!
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Yeah, you can get a huge one for like $20 easy.
Now all I need is one of those old consoles... And some games...
Adam Eason he said that in the video but he also said that it doesn’t look very good.
@@jaytalks9408 yeah but it's how they are meant to be played. He also said that.
Also money.
@@jaytalks9408 You've gotta use better cables than composite.
@@jaytalks9408 To be honest, they look great on an old TV. It is absolutely my preferred method. The TV and console both use an analog signal which produces no input lag and if you get a halfway decent CRT and some decent cables it looks crisp af.
The OSSC isn't for sale right now because the manufacturer is moving countries. Why you doing this to me Bob?! I want it NOW!
There seems to be quite a few on eBay. I just ordered one from Hong Kong for about 140$. Hopefully it works fine.
What if you just use a snes classic or a nes classic? Wouldn't that be the highest resolution possible since it uses HDMI?
whats a good 24" monitor for ossc ?
I can't find GameCube or PS1 component cables anywhere.... :_( . Can someone advise of the best connection solutions between the OSSC and console ?
I have a Framemiester which does have composite, and S video as well as RGB and Component (Kind of)
For $180 I'll play my retro games that I've already purchased and re-purchased a bunch of times each in one of the hundreds, thousands even, of different ways to play emulators through HDMI that do AMAZING jobs up-scaling to 1080p, even 2160p. On top of that they even provide filter options which can make those pixels look significantly better (or worse in the case of CRT filters, if that's your thing and you consider the original look worse)
I am here for any and all Will Facts™️
I use a VGA cable for the dreamcast. And it looks great.
Gamming graphics are so personal to each different way a person subconscious sees it that theres no one shoe fits all.With rite tv and software filters external scanline generator with pixel sizing and blending into the scanline beautifully to get the smooth depth pixels and blend the the brightness into the scanline and games picture to hide some scanline so you barely see them and beautiful picture with rendering blending to.
I have both, and prefer for the most part the OSSC over the FMeister... It is sharper than the FM when your television is compatible with it. The FM wins only when you need say composite input, you need TV compatibility, because it works with just about any TV or if you are doing any game capture. My primary reason for liking the OSSC over the FMeister is the 1-2 frames of lag added by the up-scaling method of the FMeister, that the OSSC does not add with it's line multiplying method.
I hope to be going into the city to stop by JNL gaming and the Nintendo store soon!
OSSC is the best solution for retrogames, but it is difficult to set because in each site it is different and it says that its is better, sometimes I have tried N64 mod rgb but after setting it I get "signal not compatible" in other settings they go well, what settings do you use for the old consoles?
Last I checked, they haven't dropped composite from TVS. You won't find it on the front anyone, and they're merging the green from component with the yellow from composite so they can save a tiny bit of space and cost, but my recently bought TV still has it.
Would this work on the GameCube or n64?
I love my OSSC. It was quite pricey still about $200 after shopping and options.
can someone help? some of my consoles already have hdmi converted. the best way to upscale is use the HD video converter box and the mclassic to boost that from 240 to 1820 then up by 2x at the end. what i am wondering is can the HD converter box upscale amazon box, bluray and other hdmi devices? is the the best way to go? since most of my console have hdmi out put and since ossc ,ect do not have a hdmi input?
I can just input HDMI to HDMI out with the HD converter box & it upscales it to the 1820?
I know this is about original hardware, but I have to highly recommend the Super NT and Mega SG consoles. No mods necessary and both the image and audio is fantastic, not to mention no input lag.
You can connect composite by putting the yellow cable on green port
Is there any way to scretch / scale the picture into fullscreen? i cant stand black bars on the left and right side.
Your HDTV should allow you to stretch the image the fullscreen if thats your preference. It being 4:3 by default should be the standard.
I use an crestron hd scaler in-line with the ossc so that it works with my 1080p tv and my Elgato HD 60.
I mean, if you like pixel perfect you can't get better than an emulator. That's mathematically perfect.
Got my retro systems hooked up to a Sony BVM 20E1E here via RGB scart and it can assure you it isnt a blurry mess. I also use 1084s crt monitors and i love the way they look. Beautifully clean. If running a retro machine through composite or god forbid RF to a standard CRT tv im not surprised its a blurry mess. As for lcd. I hate the way it looks. Far too sharp for my taste.
Framemeister also adds lag compared to the OSSC. Not that I can notice.
You *completely* forgot that the OSSC also supports VGA, which is a godsend for the Dreamcast.
Trueeeeee
Old or very cheap projectors work well too.
How's the performance with PS1?
is there any way have this quality without the scart cable, or using adapting it?
Unfortunately no. You could get a system modded to have component output but that's at least the same price or more as a good SCART cable.
The fact it's that retro games looks better if they are a blurry mess, that's the way they were designed, not to look ultra pixelated.
Will this help my nes clone to look better?
Can you do a video on the retrotink and compare them. Been thinking about retrotink, if anyone has one what's your experience with it.
It's plug and play and compatible with a lot more displays than OSSC, of course keep your expectations in check, it only doubles 240p to 480p, but for ease of use and reliability I give it a solid 8/10
Don't forget the RetroTink2x! It linedoubles 240p to 480p, and accepts 480i input, it's a great option for people who just want to use Composite, S-Video, or Component, without the need for RGB Scart cables. It also has FAR less display compatibility issues than the OSSC. That being said I own both and love them equally for what they are :>
I have one coming in the mail :3
I have both too. I got a Retrotink2x after the OSSC, and found it disappointing comparatively. It's ease of use and price difference weren't worth the drop in quality.
Hey guys, I’ve purchased some of the Pound Technology HDMI cables. They aren’t perfect, but for $30 I think they are great. When I think I played these games originally through coaxial cable, the slight discoloration that sometimes shows up with the Pound isn’t too bad.
take those cables and throw them in the trash where they belong.
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How does it compare to the Retrotink?
A crt is blurry? You ever plugged in s-video, component or rgb into a crt?
Peter K even composite looks crisp on my crt.
@@mtunayucer Yeah, I've got a Sony Trinitron and composite looks great on that too.
I have a PVM and even with crisp component, there's still an inherent blurring going due to it being a CRT. I don't mind it because I like that look.