@@majortomsdmf1 it’s not laziness, laziness is not doing something because you simply don’t want to. ADHD is thinking about how you want to do the thing, and becoming genuinely upset, enraged, and feeling hopeless while trying to will your body into doing said thing. It’s a disconnect between body and mind, your mind is wired purely to search for dopamine and you have to fight your body to do things when it knows you won’t achieve any from it. Being quick to anger is a trait of ADHD, but even if they don’t have it themselves, of course that wasn’t going to make yours any better if you have it 🤷♀️
@@alejandra49 It’s not a nurture argument. This has already been proven. I don’t know why Joe Rogan irresponsibly has guests like this on when he himself does not understand the scientific process. He’s speaking on issues others have symposiums and conferences on as casually as if it was a talk on food opinions. I’ll give you an example: I have a parent with ADHD. They grew up in a third world country under very stressful conditions. I am a child of that parent, they had me AFTER they established a life in the US and AFTER having a child about 10 years before me. My mother, my sibling and I all had vastly different childhoods. One factor remains constant: ADHD.
@@choblgobblrr1074 Dr.Gabor Mate has a great take on childhoods influence on a lot of issues. Look up the ACES study. If your parents have unresolved issues they pass them on to their kids.
"you are not your thoughts, you are the observer of your thoughts" start practicing meditation and mindfulness. It has helped my ADHD so immensely. If you can't control your thoughts then they will control you
As someone with ADHD, all parents fight or are stressed, but that doesn't mean we all have this. The brain is physically different from neurotypical people. The chemicals are imbalanced. You don't have an issue paying attention, you have an issue regulating your attention, your emotions, your motivation. It's misregulation, not a lack of attention. You have kids who just tune out under stress. People who ACTUALLY have ADHD have a condition they won't grow out of or recover from.
@@nepntzerZer nah. You try and get through school with ADHD. Vyvanse and Aderall make it possible to actually function properly. Without losing or forgetting everything.
As someone with ADHD and completely absent parents, this isn't a tuning out thing this is a distraction thing. Everything in my mind interests me far more than anything outside of it, I feel like I could just talk to my brain for hours.
Getting a pin on ADHD is very hard, the problem is that it's both the most over-diagnosed and under-diagnosed disorder at the same time. I think there's a grain of truth in what's said here, but it misses the mark, unstable home conditions and stress make ADHD *worse*, they don't create it, they worsen what would have been sub-clinical in seriousness. Avoidance and anxiety are often learned behaviors, at the same time impulse control can be strengthened by practice. However, ADHD is undeniably a chronic under-stimulation of parts of the brain (mostly the prefrontal cortex), you cannot compensate a biochemical deficit fully with skill and exercise.
Where are you getting that ADHD is over-diagnosed? I understood that was just a made up theory by people who know nothing about being ADHD, so they can have disabled people "try harder" to accomodate their lazy, ableist, entitlement, because listening to people's genuine struggles and supporting people with invisible disabilities is "too hard".
@@audhdcreativity5899 "Over diagnosis" doesn't mean that too many people are beign diagnosed. It means that people without the disorder are getting a positive diagnosis, a false positive. Likewise "under diagnosed" is a false negative: people with the disorder that come negative to the screening of said disorder. That's why they can coexist, adhd is both the most under diagnosed and most over diagnosed at the same time.
@@Koroistro oh, I know it's underdiagnosed- I went to 50 before it was discovered in me! I also know what both terms mean... I was overdiagnosed with "depression and anxiety", and completely missed for my Autism and ADHD, despite reporting traits and symptoms of both to doctors constantly. It is absolutely NOT TRUE that ADHD is being overdiagnosed. The instances of that are in the 2% range, so PLEASE, stop spreading misinformation.
@@audhdcreativity5899while I understand this isn’t exactly what you are talking about but to go back to what he said about over diagnosis, I feel that what the real problem is people using their diagnosis as a excuse to do less instead of learning the proper coping mechanisms to do more. I myself have adhd but avoided a diagnosis at a young age due to my mom thinking it was fake. This helped me by not letting my brain have any excuses while also hurt me by giving me a sense of guilt for not being better. I feel it’s less of a diagnosis problem and more of a problem with misinformation and poor mentality’s
I have ADHD and this is not all it is, not being able to tune things out is only a part of it. Although I do think its sometimes over diagnosed, it very much exists. For the record, I had a very good childhood and my parents cared about me.
@@illslaptfouttaya What am I making an excuse for again? If your implying that im either dumb or lazy and am using ADHD as an excuse, your mistaken. And I don't feel sorry for myself. I feel sorry for those who have to grow up without support or empathy, with people like you.
Dissociation is one coping mechanism yes, he is laying out an entirely different one here, you are incorrect though I can understand how you became confused.
@@Nothingmore71 ADHD is not a coping mechanism, it’s a neurobiological disorder caused by a deficiency of norepinephrine, which impacts the frontal cortex, limbic system, basal ganglia, and the RAS. This is why stimulants treat ADHD, they force more norepinephrine to be synthesized and alleviate the symptoms of the deficiency. ADHD is one of the most well-researched “mental disorders” out there. We’ve been able to identify the heritability (76% btw), the susceptibility of genes, contributing environmental factors (exposure to tobacco in utero, low birth weight/premature birth), and have even been able to see that brain maturation in children with ADHD lags three years behind those without it. I’d invite you to read up on the subject, there’s not shortage of studies to be read on the subject!
Part of my ADHD isn't tuning out, isn't tuning out. It's sensory overload. I can hear everything going on around me and I can't tune any of it out. Same with feeling, seeing, smelling, and impulses. This causes me to shutdown in extreme cases and I have passed out because of the sensory overload. So I work in more quite places to help cope, but ADHD meds helped a ton with the overload factor
You can, you have to really want to and really make yourself do it. Mind over matter. You can do it with out meds but you like the way the meds make you feel good so you say you can’t help it. You can help it.
@Mike Znel everyone is different. Some people have more severe symptoms and can't control them . My mothers friend has adhd and is like 50 she never shuts up and takes meds . I do not take meds nor will I ever and I have no problem being quiet usually
@@TheOriginalFlowerdough Maté Gabor, Hungarian doctor, has some exceptional books about all sorts of stuff from mental issues, addictions, all sorts of stuff. His takes and approaches are amazing imo. His podcast's on Spotify with Joe, but you have plenty of free hour-long ones here on YT as well.
ADHD is not only coping by blocking stuff out, its also the ability to think at ridiculous speeds. Granted it sucks when you can't focus or control it, but if you can it's amazing the things you can do a normal person struggles with. Your mind is used to the madness, theirs is not. I have ADHD for 40 years. Don't mind it at all, just took some time to learn how to deploy it to my benefit.
Because Gabor Mate is one of the best people on earth right now. He understands and thus doesn’t have to be excitable, plus we learn better in a calm environment. He’s a doctor from Vancouver British Columbia, who has backed his opinions with data sets in the tens of thousands I met him once, he’s quite intense in person.
I agree, ADHD gives me trouble in SIMPLY sitting down and doing math. I can't, always tuning out. Even a Rubik's cube, i can tune out, then i fall asleep. And this only comes to fruition when I begin to feel stressed.
@@noodlyboi101Everything he said in this clip is absolutely wrong.He's just making stuff up that sounds reasonable but has absolutely no evidence behind it.
@@AhYeahFotherMucker This can be true,but the reason they have adhd has nothing to do with parental stress.There is no scientific basis for that.Correlation does not equal causation.Yes most adhd kids are ‘little stress balls’.This is one of the characteristics of adhd kids.Scientists have found that it is genetic.There is absolutely no evidence that parental stress leads to adhd.
@@usheritageprogram3684 Not entirely. Mothers who were more stressed during pregnancy birth higher rates of children with learning disabilities. And premature children are 3x more likely to have ADHD.
@@CyberMachinemy mother was extremely stressed and had suicidal thoughts when she pregnant is that why i am being treated for depression and have anger issues? I've never thought of it this way.
The problem with “behavioral health” diagnoses is that they are diagnosed based on observed behavior, not underlying neurochemical causes. Someone could have persistent problems paying attention for countless reasons. It could be caused by parenting, genes, environment, toxins, psychological issues, the list goes on. ADHD is a label for a long list of problems where one of the symptoms is poor ability to pay attention.
Yeah and the worst thing is many of the symptoms can be found in different diagnoses and combinations of them. You might feel impulsive and reckless and and think you have adhd when you could be bipolar. Since everything is on a spectrum when it comes to these diagnoses it's super hard to get a 100% correct diagnosis and medication. Unfortunately we can't just take a scan of the brain to diagnose and see how much our adrenaline, serotonin and dopamine levels need to be regulated. Hopefully the future will bring more clarity and awareness for neurodiversity
ADHD is there from birth, either it's gentic or due to external factors while still developing in the womb. There are also brain scans for ADHD and several other disorders. And also simply having one symptom of ADHD doesn't mean you'll have it or be diagnosed with it. Several other symptoms alongside that one symptom are kinda necessary to diagnose someone with a disorder or illness.
@@Chiller-pc1dv Which “brain scans” are you referring to? Generally QEEG isn’t used solely to diagnose ADHD. Someone could have a QEEG that is similar to someone with behavioral traits of ADHD but yet behave completely differently. The correlation isn’t strong enough for it to be the first step in evaluating.
That is exactly what they teach you if u wanna become a psychologist. Ask questions in a way that people going to answer it themselves. This way people actually think about the stuff they are asked about and understand it better.
Rubbish. It IS inheritable. I have taught many families where only one child has ADHD, clearly not the result of nurture. ADHD is not just tuning out. The opposite! ADHD is tuning IN... to too many stimulants at once. Gabor Mate worries me. He sidesteps questions as smoothly as Harry.
This is an illness that has affected my life very poorly for my whole life, implusivity making md hurt people without thinking has ruined multiple friendships, i was failing school untill i tried multiple medications that also gave me anixety. This has the the same vibe as "Just focus"
I always hear people talk about tuning out, but if you tune out you must be tuning into something else unless you're just blank. If you tune a radio, you either get a signal or static until you find another signal.
Tell that to my child that bounced off the walls and made loud noises.didnt fall asleep,but passed out,when he could sleep.he also had motor skill issues and partially color blind,also focal seizures.now he's the calmest person,quiet,but very organized now that he is grown.crazy switch.once he became 17,it all slowed down.
@@Adam-tu1qx plenty of people in these comments who have adhd and agree. why don't you research who funds these studies, and think about what kinda motives they might have
@@absoul1295 I’m more than familiar with finding unbiased research papers. I will continue to believe peer reviewed studies from universities over joe fucking rogan
I suggest letting go of victimhood mentality tbh. As much as possible. Basically an addiction to giving away our power to anything "out there". Not taking full responsibility. Arguing for our limitations. It really allows you to heal transcend, thrive, etc. Always a thing to face more deeply, and so uplift still further. Just a thought.
Is it scary to the person experiencing it though? As someone who might have experienced that it was the most freeing experience for me. Until I was dragged back down to earth by reality being awful.
Just by the response we can conclude two things 1- He’s not a psychiatrist 2- He doesn’t have ADHD Nor does he understand what it actually is. To all of you who do have adhd, remember that it is a real struggle, and you should get the help you need.
I have adhd and that don’t exactly explain why I’m hyper active but it does explain why I tune out everything and I don’t really feel emotion like everyone else seems to, I just don’t care like when my dog died and I had to bury him I didn’t cry until 3 days later and I only cried once. When I realized that’s what I done with most of my life it scared me and I thought I had something wrong with me like if I was a psychopath or a sociopath or something, it still kinda scares me till this dad cause what if I don’t feel any emotions to my wife if I get one or any emotion to my kids when there born.
Though you may feel this way and that you are different understand to be different is just to be you but to be alone is to have no one but you and those feelings and thoughts this happen to us all while I can't break down how to fix it and make your life better and can say your not crazy and maybe you just don't need all those feelings opridder understand this made me realize this as well its hard for those of us stuck in out head to even talk about our feelings so read this well my friend it's easy to put a comment online with no name its hard to find someone with your real name and face to face say those same words and let them see how you feel no matter how hard after all I am commenting on here like I have any room to talk Take it easy my man and know if nothing else were alike ~Eric
@@crystialakers5743 Eric your words are a treasure to read and you are absolutely right about everything you said for whom I am a faceless, nameless being who possesses a different understanding of how to feel and how to express myself to another in the real world. I am deeply disappointed that I am not alone with this weight on my shoulders cause I don’t want anyone else to feel the same way I do Eric may you find peace and satisfaction along your travels and grow to understand your differences to the rest of the world, I have faith in you Eric Sincerely a no more nameless being ~ Jonathan
I used to struggle with sitting still to study, but these days my body copes differently .. I just fall asleep. This happens with almost every lecture, educational video or while reading academic papers/ textbooks. okay However, 1-2 weeks before my exam adrenaline kicks in and I'm hyper-focused every minute of my wake time , learning faster than all my peers. Needless to say I don't retain the information well after the exam.
I went through the same thing in college. You have to train yourself to deal with it. It still happens, but not as severely or as often. I'm almost 50 and have been teaching for 23 years. You'll figure out what works best for you.
I was diagnosed at 15 and I’ve always had a problem with the diagnosis. Of course, no one listened to me back then because apparently teens don’t know anything. But I specifically remember, in sixth grade, teaching myself to dissociate from reality when I was stressed or anxious. I had been practicing that subconsciously for years but that’s when I started doing it consciously. It got worse and worse and now I struggle with “ADHD,” maladaptive daydreaming, depression, feeling disconnected, and a plethora of other things. It seems hereditary because parents usually deal with those things too and kids mirror their parents’ behavior.
The one reason this is considered an "illness" is so doctors can prescribe drugs and therapy. That is also why they don't use the word "crazy" anymore. You can't treat "crazy". It is all a money grab to keep you dependent on the system & their "medicine" for your whole life.
@@yoholmes273 Very true. I don't take medication now but I was prescribed some when I was first diagnosed. And at least in America, if you try to tell people to stop being so dependent on medication, they get mad at you because they feel like they can't function without it. It's really sad how big pharma has a stranglehold on us.
@KLC Most of the "mental illnesses" Americans "suffer' from is a scam perpetuated by the medical community simply to get you to be dependent your entire life. Most of these 'illnesses" would be mitigated with a comprehensive diet & workout program that also incorporates yoga & breathing techniques. Drug companies, however, are only made for one thing, to sell drugs.
@@yoholmes273Just gonna spew a bunch of conspiracy theories about "big pharma" shows some privilege, considering you clearly don't know how hard psychiatric medications can be to get, ESPECIALLY ADHD meds being so heavily regulated, especially if you don't have insurance. Oh and how many people aren't getting diagnosed until adulthood and not even being able to afford medication. Oh and pharmacists sometimes treating us like addicts. Also would you rather people who suffer from schitzoid disorders or bipolar disorder not be on the medication and suffer through the worst of their symptoms because "DRUGS BAD!!!! WHAT'S NUANCE???" But yes, let's force everyone to take psychiatric pills for fun, time to make them crazy expensive and hard to get, that'll do it!!! 🙄 Ignorant, aren't you? And diagnosis doesn't give you the disorder sweetie, many people with disorders have TRIED all of those things you suggested, ya damn Facebook antivaxx mom. Sure they can HELP, but they won't fix anything, and you clearly don't understand it. You should feel lucky you don't have to deal with mental illness. And btw ADHD isn't a mental illness, it's a neurodivergency like autism.
This may be situational. This resonates with me as I grew up in a high stress environment with care takers that often took their stress and anger out on my siblings and I and couldn’t leave. I’m the only one in my family that was officially diagnosed with ADHD, anxiety, and depression. I also struggle with anxious avoidant attachments. A lot of symptoms of all these things can resemble one another and overlap. I don’t think what this man is saying is dismissive of adhd entirely, but he’s pointing out similarities between a condition and outcomes of a situation. I as an adult still lean into coping mechanisms that I don’t need anymore and it has created further stress in my life and working to create new ones when I still feel like that stuck and neglected child has been really hard. It’s just a different perspective, and I don’t think doctors have enough information when making diagnoses like this especially with children.
Perhaps what he is saying correlates to the overdiagnosis of ADHD. Perhaps if ADHD removed all cases that were caused by a coping mechanism and left only a mental disorder caused by inheritance, fewer people would be diagnosed with ADHD.
Maybe, but this is still a very backwards way of describing something they don't have, everyone else operates normally, they will likely never understand in our lifetime what we have to go through
Correlating these things is fine. But its evidence, not proof. The thing is is that there are people who with great parents have the same things. But good parentage surely helps a lot.
@@emmaleola2133 there is no research lmao, he's just correlating things. I could easily say the same about PTSD or Depression. We understand very little about mental illnesses and it's very possible that different mental illnesses are actually manifestations of the same underlying issue, but to suggest that ADHD is caused by stress via parents is a very Freudian and myopic explanation. Babies and toddlers are exposed to ALL kinds of stress when growing up, especially outside of the home.
This is stupid. Who didn’t have parents who were stressed? “Omg..my parents were stressed so that’s why I have ADHD!!!” No..you just have an information processing difference which is NOT a coping mechanism. If you like what this guy says, you will LOVE horoscopes.
That's because he presents a super simple explanation for a complicated problem with zero evidence. Easy to accept and just say "ooh shit he's right!". But is he?..i don't know
i got diagnosed and my parents were always very attentive with me and always tried to help me, they would also avoid to ever fight in front of me, i never felt stress as a kid. ADHD is really hard because you really want to focus but its very hard to get yourself to. I dont take medication for it because id rather find natural ways to help myself.
@@tylerwatson9230 there's no long term studies on the effects of taking that type of medication. And tbh taking it as much as I did growing up. It doesn't help your brain development at all. It really stems from being 💉 injured as a baby. No child should be getting a buzz off the medication. No child should just sit on the couch zoned out to appease others. It happened to me btw Petroleum based medicine is horrible for the body. And everyone should do a detox from it. The medical community was bought out by the Rockefellers. And petroleum based medicine was pushed onto the people unwillingly. Natural is always best. Diet plays a huge role in that as well. When I eat right it's easier to control.
@@SM-pi5pu they've been medicating people for ADHD for multiple decades. The long term effects are highly documented as being mostly non existent when you 1. Actually have ADHD 2. Medicated correctly You don't seem to actually know what ADHD is. Being injured as a baby would be more indicative of brain damage not ADHD.
@@jamesderiter4370 roughly 80% of ADHD children prescribed ritilin (Methylphenidate) go on to be drug addicts later in life. So you also clearly don't know what you're talking about. Most doctor really shy away from prescribing Methylphenidate to children under 16 now. I was one of those children in the early 90s. My doctor doesn't even like prescribing it to adults anymore unless they can't hold down a job. It's basically meth. I've done meth, cocaine, and many other stimulants. Trust me, it's the same crap. I'm now an electrical contractor and have stayed away from hard drugs for years. Being medicated as a child was far worse for me than not.
What I really needed was parents that didn't beat the sht out of each other and traumatize me. Not ritilin. I would have outbursts at school after my parents had a fresh domestic dispute. Then my parents would omit that part and my doses would be increased by my clueless pediatrician.
@@jonathancormack actually, they’re not. Little is known about mental illness. The only way mental illness can be studied is by its outside effects and MRI’s. Until we understand fully how to brain works. As in, when we figure out how to create artificial general intelligence, then we could start to actually figure out how mental illnesses work
My parents were amazing growing up. They never did any of this crap. I have ADD and always had all through school. No one knew about adhd when I was young. I was blessed. My parents were my rock. They were presenr. They participated. They worked hard.
@A Blind M0use inaccurate. He's saying it's possible to change habits. It's not necessarily easy or simple Some habits can be easy to alter and some very difficult. Smoking Gambling Alcohol Nutrition Most people have challenges just trying to change what they eat
@@jnl3564Yeah, interesting how none of his specialties are ADHD or neurodivergencies. Him knowing about addiction and trauma has nothing to do with knowing about various neurodivergencies. "Scientists have not yet identified the specific causes of ADHD. While there is growing evidence that genetics contribute to ADHD and several genes have been linked to the disorder, no specific gene or gene combination has been identified as the cause of the disorder. However, it is important to note that relatives of individuals with ADHD are often also affected. There is evidence of anatomical differences in the brains of children with ADHD in comparison to other children without the condition. For instance, children with ADHD have reduced grey and white brain matter volume and demonstrate different brain region activation during certain tasks (Pliszka, 2007). Further studies have indicated that the frontal lobes, caudate nucleus, and cerebellar vermis of the brain are affected in ADHD (Tripp & Wickens, 2009). Several non-genetic factors have also been linked to the disorder such as low birth weight, premature birth, exposure to toxins (alcohol, smoking, lead, etc.) during pregnancy, and extreme stress during pregnancy." Literally EVERY piece of evidence from the over 100 years of scientific study of ADHD proves him wrong. Yes people with ADHD can have trauma, but trauma doesn't cause ADHD. How much do you even know about how ADHD works? Because I've both studied it and HAVE diagnosed ADHD. In fact I was diagnosed twice, once at 6 and again in my 20's. OCD is NOT caused by trauma, and is NOT a coping mechanism, it's a neurodevelopmental disorder and a neurodivergency like autism.
@@Chiller-pc1dv thank you! A Grimes, my gears when somebody calls, ADHD or autism, because I’m also also autistic as well as ADHD mental illnesses when they are not mental illnesses they are neural developmental disorders, which are completely different things. I could be related to possible environmental factors of when the child’s developing in the womb, but that does not mean that trauma causes ADHD. It is a change and difference in the brain. And is mostly. So I did not see this before until I was just diagnosed with ADHD. I was diagnosed with autism at six so I’m used to that and I’m 30 almost 31 now. But I’m still kind of adjusting to my ADHD diagnosis as I was pretty recent as that was missed. And yeah, I had a thorough evaluation that wasn’t a slap on diagnosis. I was concerned when learning about happenstance ADHD from ADHD TH-camr, and there’s a lot of symptoms I resonated with. But never once self diagnosed. I was like OK, I’m worried about things that I experience that could be ADHD and I want to get assessed. And I got assessed with a thorough verbal evaluation, as well as a giant paper evaluation that both my mom and I filled out. I didn’t notice about myself recently is things I’ve always been aware about of myself first of all is my inability to focus, or also hyperfocus, depending on which it is. I was recorded to have an auditory processing disorder, which also is a symptom of ADHD. Sometimes when I try and listen to somebody, it’s like my brain forget to listen I’m sure you can probably relate to this and doesn’t register. And if somebody tells me something verbally, I forget it like almost instantly later it has to be written down. Also, struggling a lot of issues from all my life with being on time also keeping things orderly and tidy. Constantly losing things, even if they are 2 feet away from me. I lose my phone no joke like 15 times a day and sometimes half the time I’m sitting on it. Since I’ve been put on Vyvanse that has reduced. I also recently had a revelation of what it means to actually be lazy. Being lazy means that you’re having fun. Executive disfunction is not fun and you desperately want to do the thing but it’s like your brain is stuck. And sometimes I physically just can’t move, or sometimes mentally I get mental paralysis and can’t decide on something. Like several times has this has happened to me where I’ve thought about wanting to do the thing and I laid in bed for like eight hours trying to mentally do it but I just could not unstick myself and that was frustrating. Also, I have severe issues with the concept of time and time blindness. And actually, I’ve realized, too, that I can’t sit still more than I thought. Also, I didn’t think about this until somebody said it and I was like no. In an evaluation done of me, the evaluator gets bored easily. I read that and I was like no. But when I think about that more in the day actually, that is super true. Half the time when I’m listening to music I decide if I wanna listen this song by skipping right to the middle. I’m not patient enough to wait for the buildup to the middle to see if I actually want to listen to the song which is my favourite part of the song which is the middle. 😂 and Marriott of other symptoms, but as somebody who studied ADHD, and as war, but knows that these are huge tail signs. And also, I realize that actually for like my entire life, I’ve always thought out external things to make me feel good because I just didn’t feel good. And so I’ve had bingeing episodes of sugar because it makes me feel good. And also I’ve had times where I completely forget to eat or drink anything throughout the entire day. I unfortunately deal with multiple medical conditions. I won’t get into, but I have several that kind of crossover into different symptoms but I’ve been evaluated enough to know that I do have the multiple ones. My diagnoses weren’t just handed out to me. And also just watching my dad my mom and I swears that he’s also on the spectrum and also in reflecting realizing that I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD he exhibits all the same symptoms. He’s also had issues with maintaining a tidy space, and procrastination and running late all the time, and he can’t sit still for the life of him. And my brother even made a comment to my mom. That was like Kathryn’s just like dad.. 😅My name is Kathryn. And even though I do resemble my mom. Behavioural wise, I resemble my dad a lot. Even down to our fingernails. My dad and I both have ridges in our fingernails and my brother and my mom both have smooth. And also my dad and I never needed braces and my mom and my brother both needed braces. 😂 so anyway thank you for saying that and I completely agree with you and that grinds my gears at the misinformation. And that the fact that having autism and having ADHD are not mental illnesses. And just word choices like that have always upset me. Anyway, that’s just me and my spiel and I really loved your comment and I wanted to tell you that is somebody who has two neurodevelpmental disorders. Mental illnesses can often be as a result of trauma. And the person is likely to be predisposed, and the right things are set off when certain traumas happen. And just environmental things for example, somebody on the spectrum is likely to have anxiety because they are ostracized socially so of course they would have social anxiety. And everyone responds to traumas differently. it’s like two children growing up in an alcoholic household and one swears off alcohol, and the other is more likely to possibly become addicted later in life. Or they both could develop problems with it. Or they could both be fine and well adjusted and not have issues because of what they saw. Everyone is definitely 100,000%. ADHD is definitely not a freaking coping mechanism or a trauma response which grinds my gears. Anyway, I appreciate your comment and thank you very much for saying that.
It can be as simple as that with the current definition and diagnostic techniques... When you have a massive uptick in cases of ADHD, most of them can be attributed to the inattentiveness of parents and desire for them to have an easy out, easy diagnosis and a pill and eagerness of doctors to slap a label and get a payout from pharmaceutical companies, it's the norm. When you're talking about the RARE AND ACTUAL ADHD from decades ago, then yes, its more complex, but that's not the norm of diagnosed patients anymore.
My parents struggled financially so much when I was born and until the age of 15 or 16 when I started working. My daughter is 18 months old, her mother and I do everything in our power to never argue infront of her and to make every moment she has with us as happy as possible. I don't want her to have the same struggles I did and still do
Lol and you’ll be raising a snowflake. Stop shielding your children from basic human condition like arguing. Your job is to prepare them for the tough world out there expecting them when the leave the nest, not raise them to be snowflakes
Really, I love Dr Mate's calm communication and soothing voice. His topic is interesting and it holds attention. His view and clinical experience re ADHD as coping mechanism makes sense.
Came from a very dysfunctional household and was always known to daydream or zone out as a kid. The only way for me to cope as I got into my later teens was to straight up forget trauma along with a lot of events surrounding it. It felt as if my recollection of earlier events in my life were completely wiped by my subconscious. But every once in a blue moon it comes back to me, cold sweats and that crushing emptiness at night. Honestly, the brain is an amazing thing, keep pushing through people.
Such a great comment from someone who has first hand knowledge and has clearly worked very hard to fight through and I just want to say thank you for sharing and keep being AWESOME!! 💖
That's interesting to hear. in my late teens I really wanted to forget all the bad memories and If I thought about an old memory I stopped myself and started doing something. Now I'm 28 I have almost no recollection of childhood and I can't remember more than 3 things from when I was 21 or under. I just wanted to forget the bad things but now I can't remember anything and when I try to it's like my thoughts just shut down
I developed this during my middle school years from being bullied and getting picked on. I still struggle with it to this day. I stayed single for years which made it easy to deal with but now that I’m married it’s a struggle to manage it and remember things because I used to have a routine that I followed, but now everything just seems chaotic in my mind because I have to mix in her plans with mine. She tells me to make lists which helps.
"Research does not support the popularly held views that ADHD is caused by eating too much sugar, watching too much television, parenting, or social and environmental factors such as poverty or family chaos." (however these things can exacerbate symptoms or correlate with anxiety which ADHD shares symtoms with)
@@timgoodliffe What would research into brain plasticity say on this? And who funded the research? There is precious little research on adhd that isn't funded by the medical companies themselves.
@@Pickled_Poet My life has none of these factors were present and I have ADHD. It's BS arguments made by people who have bigotry towards ADHD but are trying to find an excuse to start supporting us.
@@antmess9789 All I asked for was source of information. I can look up the guy in the video, and get accrediation. However if you going to use quotes, then I would appreciate a source. Personal experiences shouldn't be included in research aswell, and I frankly don't care about your experiences on an online comment thread. I'm looking at research.
Honestly as a young kid I never had ADHD issues. It's only when I got older that I started showing signs. And I've been thinking about this a lot. Because I think at least in my case, it was definitely something that was caused at a later point in my childhood.
In the full podcast he talks about the parents but his main claim is that any large amount of stress that is repeated and you cannot just get away from can cause this, not to say he’s right or wrong just that depending on how old you were, as you’re life got more stressful that could POTENTIALLY explain it, I’m not an expert and my info is limited
Did it start later in life or did it become clear later in life? I wasn't diagnosed until adulthood. I had the symptoms since childhood but I was always able to cover for them except for the hyperactivity.
@@dallasdingman9905 well I did get diagnosed with depression and anxiety when I was 12. I spent many years being abused and in a codependent, emotionally incestuous relationship and I really suffered a lot from it in many ways, in addition to experiences outside the home. There was no escape no matter where I went or what I did. So I mean. That much checks out, at least.
@@sheadoherty7434 Well, i never had the hyperactivity. I actually ended up developing chronic fatigue lmao and honestly as a kid i was one of the most focused people I knew and was always mad that people couldn't stay on the same conversation topic, or would claim they couldn't focus so XYZ was taking them longer. That would get on my nerves so badly. It honestly feels like it developed slowly, symptom by symptom, caused by various things (the memory black outs and subsequent bad short term memory, inability to retain information, inability to follow verbal instructions, needing people to repeat something even though I was trying to pay attention because everything they just said sounded like simlish etc being caused by longterm chronic depression and trauma, just as an example of one of the broader symptoms) and eventually it just culminated in me having enough at the same time to obtain a diagnosis. Not too sure where the hyper fixation/hyper focus aspect came from, though, if I'm gonna stick to this theory lol But no to answer your question, i was never hyper and could pay attention and focus on one thing for a length of time a lot better than most kids. My memory was great, i was good at following directions, and I didn't have weird stuff like time blindness or anything like that. So. Yeah. I dunno.
From the comments you would think that he's THE EXPERT 🤣. Not like ADHD is actually manageable with drugs. Nor almost every single psychological trauma has an after effects of multiple disorders 🤣.
@@jldstuff393 strawman, he does not say its not real, he just says its not an illness its a coping mechanism, nor does he talk about drugs. looks like you tuned out.
So I was recently diagnosed with ADHD about a year ago. College has been super rough and my ability to study was terrible. I also had a poor GPA. Then on summer break I was able to get ADHD meds, Ritalin to be specific. I literally cannot stress enough how much these meds helped. I literally got an A on physics 2 over the summer, as well as a B on calculus 2. Now I'm taking physics 3 and calc 3 as well as some other classes and I'm crushing it. Ritalin has literally brought out the potential I always knew I had, but couldn't access due to executive dysfunction. I've transformed as a person. While this is just a personal anecdote, and thus, you should (obviously) take it with a grain of salt. I can promise you that if ADHD was just a coping mechanism, Ritalin wouldn't have had the effect its had. You can't medicate coping mechanism away. You can't medicate laziness. You can Medicate ADHD. It's biological.
Exactly. There's a physical component. Moreover, someone who is high energy but not ADHD & gets Ritalin and they'll be bouncing off the walls, because Ritalin is a stimulant. It will not help you focus AT ALL.
Im grade 12 and Ive recently quit my adhd medication from taking it since grade 2. I feel a drop in productivity and more impulsive but I do feel like I can get things done when I only really focus in and make sure I move to a ultimate task
@Chris Wings It yeah but 2 things can be true, he doesn’t have an explanation for everyone but for a majority of people that have adhd (myself and others I know) were often under stress from parents or teachers (teachers was me) so when I’d get annoyed I’d start tuning out my teachers and I used that going forward. Great for you it’s not like that for you, but you are not everyone 😂😂😂
@@lisabailey2515 Well yeah, theyre EXPERTS. They have studied and gotten degrees in whatever field theyre specializing in. I dont get how you can ignore the collective agreement on thousands of studies about this, unless of course you think theyre trying to lie to you for whatever reason. It is unlikely theyre all agreeing collectively to increase the income of the industry as a whole with little impact to the people working in the field.
Yep, I knew this for a long time. You can't leave the classroom when this happens as a child in school. It's a nightmare being stuck in a boring school for all those hrs. They load you up on meds and try to say the child is to blame. 🙄🙄
And you're right to. Joe Rogan here, the guy on the left, is known for just not fact checking anything anyone says and just going along with whatever, and in more recent years, has been hosting increasingly destructive, anti science figures. The doctor here for instance is completely wrong about what ADHD is. ADHD has been proven to be something you're born with. That and people with ADHD are more likely to hyper fixate on a stressor and zone out when they're bored, as I'm sure you've probably experienced.
Yeah, load of bull. One doctor vs an entire field. ADHD is real but ofc as with all things mental, not 100% is known. What I know, me and my mom are very much like with our symptoms but our ways to deal with it are vastly different. Never saw a fight in my household
@@BFlorry bro it doesn't have to just be fights in the household go look at what else this guy has said guy, it could be that you and a step parent don't get along, or a sibling possibly on the low chance or or your parents are really strict on you and stuff. Instead of saying someone's wrong instantly do more research
Theres a lot more to ADHD than just "not paying attention" or "tuning out", I didnt have problems "tuning in" either. One of my more defining characteristics is that I give myself too much to do and lacking the initiation and motivation to bring myself to do these things, I'm not tuning out anything, it's constantly on my mind, 24/7, yet I do nothing about it. And when I do I commit to it 200% and am able to complete tremendous progress and then go back to procrastinating. I sleep too late, wake up too late, worrying about things to do, not doing anything, waiting for night and thats where I do everything. Edit: before you just say "you're lazy" you don't even know me. While i did say i struggle with motivation and actually initiating and committing to do something, that doesn't mean i just sit on my ass all day doing "literally nothing", I'm doing something all the time, just not the thing i always want to do. I need a constant stream of information for me to function properly. If i get information silence i get restless and impulsive, but if there is some kind of stimulus, even just music, then I'll be fine and can work normally. Not to mention i do the things i still want to do within the day or days, i go to the gym 3-6 times a week for 5-6 months, so you cant say I'm just lazy or undisciplined, that's just my workflow
Man you lack motivation! And ultimately need to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you want to change or now. Going to Sleep to late ? Waking up to late? Are things you can fix within a week or two. You need to check with the guy in the mirror first buddy.
When you finally start a task is where the fun begins, trying to bloody stop and move to another one is almost impossible for me. Hyperfocusing is a pain in the ass!
I'm not going to lie I'm kind of mad that some strange Eastern European man made too much sense my entire life has been a coping mechanism at this point
You might have ADHD or you might not but your parents fighting has nothing to do with it. There is plenty of data - the experts know very clearly what ADHD is; just because you don't, doesn't make this guy right
In all my years, I've never heard a more valid point as to why I am the way I am, and I'm watching my oldest become due to his mother and my relationship at first. Wether someone believes it or not. This video and explanation may have just saved my children and my relationship, and their very growth and life. So, thank you. I'll check back in 6 months to update the progress.
As someone diagnosed with ADHD. This comment section drives me mad. ADHD is literally a neurological, genetic disorder. Your environment has nothing to do with it. This makes no actual sense. Yes you could hypothetically develop ADHD’esque symptoms from a wide variety of things but not ADHD itself. Show some respect and stop self diagnosing
Your neurological makeup changes as you grow when you are a child and there is no actual evidence of it being genetic. They only say that because it normally “runs” in a family, but if this what this dude said is true then it would make sense why family members would normally continue to get it. Being diagnosed with degrees of ADHD is very common now days, which reflects the average emotional connection most parent have with there kids.
My mom nor my dad have diagnosed ADHD but I ended up getting it. Not many family members in my family have it either other than my old stepdad who my mom has since divorced. I would say that he was probably one of the main reasons I have ADHD because his dad was a terrible parent and in turn he treated me and my brother the same way. Both me and my brother have multiple so called “genetic disorders” yet none of my related family have them. I believe what this dude said about them being coping mechanism is most likely pretty accurate.
I swear to God, people blindly listening to Joe Rogan’s podcast are the stupidest out there. I’m glad there’s still some sensibility from someone actually affected by it. This whole comment section actually reminds me a lot of Plato’s cave allegory
No it most definetely isn't. We barely understand what ADHD means and how it develops or come about in people, and what falls under this wide vague umbrella increases each year. What is certainly isn't is a well defined and understood mental health issue, and the confidence you display with being this strict in how you believe ADHD is defined is worrisome.
@@thomasfitzgibbon1675 Joe Rogan has people eating rancid bull testicles on Fear Factor. Why anyone would watch him for anything other than entertainment is beyond me😂
I'm so glad there isn't rampant misunderstanding and misinformation circulated about by people who have no idea what they're talking about online all the time!
Why? Usually when i go outside and sit on porch. Is after I eat some taco bell..my farts smell so bad that my family gets mad at me. You have same thing?
My dad admitted to me that my mother would interpret my crying as an infant as me rejecting her. He said they often forgot to feed me because my mother was so distraught she would just leave me in my crib to cry by myself and say “if she doesn’t want me as a mom, then fine”. My mother is a narcissist by the way. Plus, I remember them yelling and screaming at each other and slamming doors from my earliest memories. I was diagnosed with adhd at 8 years old lol.
Sorry to hear that. I too have had a similar experience. My mum has always been strange towards me. But recently because she's super detached she unknowingly admitted to something that now fits the puzzles of her bizarre behaviour towards me. I have 4 siblings eldest 18years older then me youngest 8.5 years older then me. She did everything normal with them maternal placed them in kidagaren always observant. She also cant tell me anything with detail of what i did as a toddler or baby but can on detail with others that predate me by many years. She told me she left in a daycare for 4 days a week for 8 hours a day once I turned 3 months old too 3 years old. She had no obligations that made her choose that decision because her life was my demanding when my other siblings were born she was studying an online course at home 10mins away from the daycare I was in whlist my siblings she took maternity leave to be with them even if she was working she'd always have someone around to look after them. She also admitted that the daycare was the worest in our state but it was so much cheaper then my sisters so it was affordable yet the oldest sister 14years older then me had full time baily classes by on the most esteemed teacher in Australia which was a whole heap of money at that time yet her excuse was finical issues. Because most daycares refuse children under 9months old and the ones that don't are usually much more expensive or not the best. Anyways they didn't have facility for me because of my age they complained that I wouldn't go to sleep in the afternoon so they'd leave me in the crib until my grandfather would pick me up. My mum felt suspicious of the staff there but took it as a inconvince to herself so I remained they're until my third birthday. After 4moths of staying at that new day care which I arrived on my third birthday I went to another country for a year. When I came back after many bad things happened I reunited with my mum. Let's just say she didn't change since I left. I always felt guilty that I have no memories of her as a kid and I remember my arrival and stay at the other country but now that this was revealed it makes sense why I have no recollection of her.
Yes I understand. My dad was always working and my mom was always taking care of my other siblings who are disabled. Like if I needed anything, it was always 1. Take care of other child. 2. Forget what my needs were. 3. Dismiss my needs, repeat. I was severely neglected because my parents don't want to connect with me. I never did homework.
My son's mother did this with my boy and her own son. I don't have the answers. I thought as a guy I'd be able to figure all this shit out but no one prepares you for a mother that doesn't care about being a mother but wants many children. I myself have adult adhd
@@GrandMasterKai sleep ? What’s that ? And I’m the kinda person to deal with things that stress me out head on. Things we tune out some would call just plain “uninteresting”
My parents were fantastic parents and still are to this day. I remember asking my parents if they ever fought because I never saw them argue once in my life. Yet, I have the worst case of ADHD my doctor has seen to this day.
Yeah, this type of explanation is bullshit. Stressed childhoods are not new or rare. They are so prevalent that you will have a massive overlap between people with ADHD and stressful childhoods even if there was no relationship between the two at all. And I'm not saying there isn't, it might be an exasperating factor, but it's not the cause. This is oversimplified nonsense.
ADH is a set of manifestations that can be caused by multiple things. Yes, it can be a coping mechanism but it can also be the consequence of brain dysfunction on some of it's áreas. Diagnosis has to be made on an individualized basis, not all ADHD have the same cause nor respond to the very same treatments
🙌🙌🙌🙌 I've just begun learning about trauma responses in the body and I've been shocked how similar the "symptoms" are to my ADHD. My parents were teenagers when they had me, got married because of me, and their marriage was rough but they've made it through, praise the Lord. I'm grateful for their perseverance, but as an adult I recognize that they were just kids themselves doing the best they could, dealing with their own traumas and lack of emotional maturity. I wouldn't change a thing though, because having separated parents would have been even more trauma to overcome.
@@zyzzer Joe Rogan is known for just not fact checking anything anyone says and just going along with whatever, and in more recent years, has been hosting increasingly destructive, anti science figures. The doctor here for instance is completely wrong about what ADHD is. ADHD has been proven to be something you're born with. That and people with ADHD are more likely to hyper fixate on a stressor and zone out when they're bored.
This pisses me off so much. It boils down a real struggle for a lot of people to just the environment, like it’s something that can be changed or prevented. 1) It’s absolutely something inherited, just like the color of someone’s eyes. 2) He’s describing dissociation which is common coping mechanism to stress and ptsd like another person has already pointed out. 3) ADHD is a lot more than just the inability to focus. Misinformation like this can be really damaging for people who have ADHD, myself included.
This makes sense. I spent my childhood just "freezing" living in my head...when at home became too stressful. Now as an adult I feel trapped with self internal distractions and over explore reality different for stimulus.
I grew up in a home whit loving and very present parents, I have a medical diagnosed adhd and you're telling me it's because my parents wher stressing me out?🤨 yes your explanation makes sens and may cause the adhd symptoms for some people but others do have this problem. It's not "just pay attention" I physically can't, every noise every light everything that isn't predictable is gonna get my attention even if I don't want to🤦♂️ so no it's not my childhood that made me that way and if only you knew how much my parent tried to make me organize and focused you'd go insane😅
I have watched many different people who have said they have adhd and I just saw your comment about this, I am the same when it comes to distractions and even tho I didn’t have a good childhood doesnt mean I tune things out on purpose. Its been a hard road since being diagnosed medically and a disability since 2006. Keep strong 💪 and stay unique 😊
@@Lena-cz6re i have adhd and with meditation mindfulness nuetral observer training etc etc i can pay attention fine now. Even went to some doctor and he declared me as no longer showing signs of adhd.
i love how he says adhd isnt real and then just... calls adhd by a different name. "no u dont have a mental illness, you have a bad coping skill! hope that helps 💖"
Yeah he is just playing semantics over the word disease while describing the pathology of a disease. As if Stress and learnt maladaptive coping skills aren't well know to be the main sources of most mental illness. But actual science digs a little deeper than to stay at the abstract generalizations. As if any mental health professional wouldn't recommend safe environments for children to grow up in and for patients to meditate, drink some tea and go for a walk. (Or any other relaxing activity and especially specifically mindfulness and destressing exercises and skills)
he forgot to mention the part where you hyperfixate on other things with little to no choice. It's not just difficulty paying attention. It is so much more, and when you really have it, it can be hard to cope with
This is a modern problem my parents were born in the 50s grandparents in the teens they say they knew no one with this so called adhd. Your generation is filled with weak minded idiots. Always playing the victim I'm sick bs grow a pair oh and mothers drinking and doing drugs while pregnant will really mess a babies mind that way yeah i can believe.
These types of people piss me off so much! It is an actual disease people have. Different way the brain is structured. It’s not a matter of simply discipline your brain better. Executive functioning deficits are real. If you have never experienced it, you don’t know the struggle.
That’s not true, I have ADHD, my parents have always been attentive and caring, and I still have to go through hell sometimes to function in what other people consider a normal way.
I don't think he meant this is the only cause of ADHD but I haven't watched the whole thing so I'm not sure. I have it, and this makes sense for me in a lot of ways
I think while it might be true for a lot of people, the reasoning is wrong, he's comparing things by the outcome, like 1+1 and 3-1. The outcome for both is 2, but the way they got there is totally different. Don't know if this makes sense but this is how I see it.
Wow. My parents fought non stop about the dumbest shit. This actually sounds tangible
Well hyper active?
He didn't talk about that
@@shahid55s52 I have the lazy kind unfortunately
@@majortomsdmf1 it’s not laziness, laziness is not doing something because you simply don’t want to. ADHD is thinking about how you want to do the thing, and becoming genuinely upset, enraged, and feeling hopeless while trying to will your body into doing said thing. It’s a disconnect between body and mind, your mind is wired purely to search for dopamine and you have to fight your body to do things when it knows you won’t achieve any from it. Being quick to anger is a trait of ADHD, but even if they don’t have it themselves, of course that wasn’t going to make yours any better if you have it 🤷♀️
@@sp0ngeb00b7 I know
@@sp0ngeb00b7 nah it’s laziness and you really just explained that to someone who has it like they don’t have it lol. what a bozo
I grew up diagnosed with ADHD, to say my parents were stressed when I was younge is an understatement as well 🤣
@@detroitfunk313 but how did THEY grow up?
I was a bad lid
@@alejandra49 It’s not a nurture argument. This has already been proven. I don’t know why Joe Rogan irresponsibly has guests like this on when he himself does not understand the scientific process. He’s speaking on issues others have symposiums and conferences on as casually as if it was a talk on food opinions.
I’ll give you an example: I have a parent with ADHD. They grew up in a third world country under very stressful conditions. I am a child of that parent, they had me AFTER they established a life in the US and AFTER having a child about 10 years before me. My mother, my sibling and I all had vastly different childhoods. One factor remains constant: ADHD.
Hahaha 🙂
@@choblgobblrr1074 Dr.Gabor Mate has a great take on childhoods influence on a lot of issues. Look up the ACES study. If your parents have unresolved issues they pass them on to their kids.
My thoughts go 100 miles an hour until I can't tell what my brain is saying and I have panic attacks.
brooooo same
Have you heard about the Carnivore diet?
@@ashleyriosrizo That's not going to "fix" it.
"you are not your thoughts, you are the observer of your thoughts" start practicing meditation and mindfulness. It has helped my ADHD so immensely. If you can't control your thoughts then they will control you
@@BrodyHenry96 what the hell does that even mean though. 😖
As someone with ADHD, all parents fight or are stressed, but that doesn't mean we all have this. The brain is physically different from neurotypical people. The chemicals are imbalanced. You don't have an issue paying attention, you have an issue regulating your attention, your emotions, your motivation. It's misregulation, not a lack of attention. You have kids who just tune out under stress. People who ACTUALLY have ADHD have a condition they won't grow out of or recover from.
As someone with parents. Not all parents fight and argue.
@@michaelgoldsmith9359 do you have adhd?
"Chemical imbalance" is a phrase from 40 years ago, not used anymore.
@@mollyg4980 🫵💀 you’re slow, it is definitely still used, it’s just no longer an end all be all answer anymore
Victim mentality
“I have adhd”
“Bro just pay attention”😂
yes. you should and stop being so lazy.
@@nepntzerZer nah. You try and get through school with ADHD. Vyvanse and Aderall make it possible to actually function properly. Without losing or forgetting everything.
@@nepntzerZer bro go learn your order of operations
my favorite is "just focus, thats all"..
Me: Stuck on the same page for 6 hours and can't finish reading a sentence
@@decca33 I’m hoping he was being sarcastic
This man look chill asf, if asmr was a person
He prob stoned
@@alieldremy m
@@alieldremy he is in tune big difference and yet the same.
Right?! 🤣
Asmr is gross!
As someone with ADHD and completely absent parents, this isn't a tuning out thing this is a distraction thing. Everything in my mind interests me far more than anything outside of it, I feel like I could just talk to my brain for hours.
Exactly. Who the fuck is this "so called expert."
I feel the same way
Everything interests and bores me in equal measure lol
@@YourBeingParanoid I feel this in my bones and I hate it. I want to just enjoy a hobby but I never truly get into it because it also bores me. 😔
The one thing that doesn't bore me - Learning about life and the universe. I'm always learning just enough to win every debate lol
His voice is so calming
I know right!
It's just a likable voice. I would actually read through the terms and conditions if it was an audible recording with this man's voice.
He has mastered his demons.
because he is his own patient
i don't want to hate but....
is this really the only THING YOU PICKED UP from this ??
@@aminebe1263 Do comments have to summarize everything they learned from videos?
Guest: if I were to stress you right now, what would be your options of dealing with it?
Joe: *I would eliminate your food source*
Well, I’m dumber for reading this.
Sun tzu approves this message
Joe: I would simply spinning back kick you
“I’d smoke a fatty”
He didn't say that? Lol weird guy
Getting a pin on ADHD is very hard, the problem is that it's both the most over-diagnosed and under-diagnosed disorder at the same time.
I think there's a grain of truth in what's said here, but it misses the mark, unstable home conditions and stress make ADHD *worse*, they don't create it, they worsen what would have been sub-clinical in seriousness.
Avoidance and anxiety are often learned behaviors, at the same time impulse control can be strengthened by practice.
However, ADHD is undeniably a chronic under-stimulation of parts of the brain (mostly the prefrontal cortex), you cannot compensate a biochemical deficit fully with skill and exercise.
🙌
Where are you getting that ADHD is over-diagnosed? I understood that was just a made up theory by people who know nothing about being ADHD, so they can have disabled people "try harder" to accomodate their lazy, ableist, entitlement, because listening to people's genuine struggles and supporting people with invisible disabilities is "too hard".
@@audhdcreativity5899 "Over diagnosis" doesn't mean that too many people are beign diagnosed.
It means that people without the disorder are getting a positive diagnosis, a false positive.
Likewise "under diagnosed" is a false negative: people with the disorder that come negative to the screening of said disorder.
That's why they can coexist, adhd is both the most under diagnosed and most over diagnosed at the same time.
@@Koroistro oh, I know it's underdiagnosed- I went to 50 before it was discovered in me! I also know what both terms mean... I was overdiagnosed with "depression and anxiety", and completely missed for my Autism and ADHD, despite reporting traits and symptoms of both to doctors constantly.
It is absolutely NOT TRUE that ADHD is being overdiagnosed. The instances of that are in the 2% range, so PLEASE, stop spreading misinformation.
@@audhdcreativity5899while I understand this isn’t exactly what you are talking about but to go back to what he said about over diagnosis, I feel that what the real problem is people using their diagnosis as a excuse to do less instead of learning the proper coping mechanisms to do more. I myself have adhd but avoided a diagnosis at a young age due to my mom thinking it was fake. This helped me by not letting my brain have any excuses while also hurt me by giving me a sense of guilt for not being better. I feel it’s less of a diagnosis problem and more of a problem with misinformation and poor mentality’s
I have ADHD and this is not all it is, not being able to tune things out is only a part of it. Although I do think its sometimes over diagnosed, it very much exists. For the record, I had a very good childhood and my parents cared about me.
Stop making excuses and feeling sorry for yourself
@@illslaptfouttaya What am I making an excuse for again? If your implying that im either dumb or lazy and am using ADHD as an excuse, your mistaken. And I don't feel sorry for myself. I feel sorry for those who have to grow up without support or empathy, with people like you.
@@illslaptfouttaya gurl what
@@Acerz-nb7ui Aka you
@@illslaptfouttaya What excuses?
“Yeah it tunes out”
-*joe completely tuned out*
He has a hard time paying attention when the guest isn’t talking about pseudoscience or lighting up a j every other sentence
@@bobograndman he sort of is talking pseudoscience lol
This made me laugh 😂
what is the episode number or who is the guest? I want to watch the full episode!
@@697_ the guest is Dr Gabor Mate. You might enjoy his other TH-cam content, it's very informative
He’s describing disassociation, which is an incredibly common response to stress or trauma. Very different than ADHD.
Exactly. I don't think his take is really backed up as anything more than a theory. Also ADHD is SOoo much more than inattention.
Very fair
Dissociation is one coping mechanism yes, he is laying out an entirely different one here, you are incorrect though I can understand how you became confused.
Fair enough, but every kid I knew who had ADHD had shitty parents
@@Nothingmore71 ADHD is not a coping mechanism, it’s a neurobiological disorder caused by a deficiency of norepinephrine, which impacts the frontal cortex, limbic system, basal ganglia, and the RAS. This is why stimulants treat ADHD, they force more norepinephrine to be synthesized and alleviate the symptoms of the deficiency.
ADHD is one of the most well-researched “mental disorders” out there. We’ve been able to identify the heritability (76% btw), the susceptibility of genes, contributing environmental factors (exposure to tobacco in utero, low birth weight/premature birth), and have even been able to see that brain maturation in children with ADHD lags three years behind those without it. I’d invite you to read up on the subject, there’s not shortage of studies to be read on the subject!
funfact: fight or flight isn't actually the full list of options
it's fight, flight, freeze, or friend.
Part of my ADHD isn't tuning out, isn't tuning out. It's sensory overload. I can hear everything going on around me and I can't tune any of it out. Same with feeling, seeing, smelling, and impulses. This causes me to shutdown in extreme cases and I have passed out because of the sensory overload. So I work in more quite places to help cope, but ADHD meds helped a ton with the overload factor
It sounds a bit like u might have light autism or you are aspergic . This isn’t a bad thing but I would get tested if I were u ❤
Sensory overload that extreme might be autism
You can, you have to really want to and really make yourself do it. Mind over matter. You can do it with out meds but you like the way the meds make you feel good so you say you can’t help it. You can help it.
@Mike Znel everyone is different. Some people have more severe symptoms and can't control them . My mothers friend has adhd and is like 50 she never shuts up and takes meds . I do not take meds nor will I ever and I have no problem being quiet usually
@@mikeznel6048Lmao if only it worked like that. I don't particularly enjoy dealing with sensory overload and sometimes getting migraines from it.
nobody gonna talk about how calm this guy sounds
A lot of weed
He's actually a very troubled individual who's an amazing doctor, he also suffers from ADHD which makes the way he talks quite surprising.
@@solaroff899 name?
@@solaroff899 name?
@@TheOriginalFlowerdough Maté Gabor, Hungarian doctor, has some exceptional books about all sorts of stuff from mental issues, addictions, all sorts of stuff. His takes and approaches are amazing imo.
His podcast's on Spotify with Joe, but you have plenty of free hour-long ones here on YT as well.
ADHD is not only coping by blocking stuff out, its also the ability to think at ridiculous speeds.
Granted it sucks when you can't focus or control it, but if you can it's amazing the things you can do a normal person struggles with.
Your mind is used to the madness, theirs is not.
I have ADHD for 40 years.
Don't mind it at all, just took some time to learn how to deploy it to my benefit.
Agreed
How do you do it can you give some examples ... Problem is I have many thoughts but no direction ...
As a person with ADHD I can say I definitely think slow af
I have ADHD and while I think fast, sometimes it's too fast and the rest of me can't catch up lol
Why is his voice so calming?
Maybe he had good parents
Because Gabor Mate is one of the best people on earth right now. He understands and thus doesn’t have to be excitable, plus we learn better in a calm environment.
He’s a doctor from Vancouver British Columbia, who has backed his opinions with data sets in the tens of thousands I met him once, he’s quite intense in person.
@@Joshybabee underrated comment
Great parents apparently and full belief in the nonsense he's talking
I could see him doing an album with Eric Clapton.
I agree, ADHD gives me trouble in SIMPLY sitting down and doing math. I can't, always tuning out. Even a Rubik's cube, i can tune out, then i fall asleep. And this only comes to fruition when I begin to feel stressed.
I' know that feeling💯👈🏾🙏🏽✌🏾✊🏾
adhd is more than just "tuning out" 😭
And by saying that makes it sound like we are disassociating when we actually are just focusing on other things that actually grab our attention.
@@noodlyboi101Everything he said in this clip is absolutely wrong.He's just making stuff up that sounds reasonable but has absolutely no evidence behind it.
@@pauldoporto6811 this guy is 100% fax no prinner. ADHD people are just little stress balls with no functioning coping mechanisms 😂🤣
@@AhYeahFotherMucker anyone who says "no prinner" has no clue what theyre talking about
@@AhYeahFotherMucker This can be true,but the reason they have adhd has nothing to do with parental stress.There is no scientific basis for that.Correlation does not equal causation.Yes most adhd kids are ‘little stress balls’.This is one of the characteristics of adhd kids.Scientists have found that it is genetic.There is absolutely no evidence that parental stress leads to adhd.
He is actually yelling at Joe right now.
You should hear him when he is calm
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@@NYCluver91 ya oy n
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Never ever thought of it as a kind of trauma response, very very interesting to suggest
He is 100% WRONG. see my commits above. He’s probably wrong.
@@usheritageprogram3684 Not entirely. Mothers who were more stressed during pregnancy birth higher rates of children with learning disabilities. And premature children are 3x more likely to have ADHD.
@@CyberMachinemy mother was extremely stressed and had suicidal thoughts when she pregnant is that why i am being treated for depression and have anger issues? I've never thought of it this way.
The problem with “behavioral health” diagnoses is that they are diagnosed based on observed behavior, not underlying neurochemical causes. Someone could have persistent problems paying attention for countless reasons. It could be caused by parenting, genes, environment, toxins, psychological issues, the list goes on. ADHD is a label for a long list of problems where one of the symptoms is poor ability to pay attention.
Yeah and the worst thing is many of the symptoms can be found in different diagnoses and combinations of them. You might feel impulsive and reckless and and think you have adhd when you could be bipolar. Since everything is on a spectrum when it comes to these diagnoses it's super hard to get a 100% correct diagnosis and medication.
Unfortunately we can't just take a scan of the brain to diagnose and see how much our adrenaline, serotonin and dopamine levels need to be regulated. Hopefully the future will bring more clarity and awareness for neurodiversity
ADHD is there from birth, either it's gentic or due to external factors while still developing in the womb. There are also brain scans for ADHD and several other disorders. And also simply having one symptom of ADHD doesn't mean you'll have it or be diagnosed with it. Several other symptoms alongside that one symptom are kinda necessary to diagnose someone with a disorder or illness.
@@Chiller-pc1dv Which “brain scans” are you referring to? Generally QEEG isn’t used solely to diagnose ADHD. Someone could have a QEEG that is similar to someone with behavioral traits of ADHD but yet behave completely differently. The correlation isn’t strong enough for it to be the first step in evaluating.
@@bispeskov1123brain scans are being ises more often now, they linked poor blood flow to the frontal cortex to adhd
He’s voice alone is helping me cope.
Who is this guy?
@@moqtadamohammed4598 he's a complete moron. Thats it.
@@moqtadamohammed4598 Gabor Mate
😂😂😂😂now that’s funny . Me too🤣🤣
Okay mitten the kitten
That's a very interesting way to look at it, I also love how explains it to joe, he makes joe answer the questions instead of telling him.
I think that's wisdom, over intellect
That is exactly what they teach you if u wanna become a psychologist. Ask questions in a way that people going to answer it themselves. This way people actually think about the stuff they are asked about and understand it better.
Cause he's a sociopath
It's not just an "interesting" way, he's actually medically correct and the rest of the community has yet realize and adopt
@@j0hndobile802 Impressive response. I believe you to be correct.
Rubbish.
It IS inheritable.
I have taught many families where only one child has ADHD, clearly not the result of nurture.
ADHD is not just tuning out. The opposite! ADHD is tuning IN... to too many stimulants at once.
Gabor Mate worries me. He sidesteps questions as smoothly as Harry.
This is an illness that has affected my life very poorly for my whole life, implusivity making md hurt people without thinking has ruined multiple friendships, i was failing school untill i tried multiple medications that also gave me anixety.
This has the the same vibe as "Just focus"
I think that he is confusing complex trauma with adhd and even though they can co occur adhd is a separate condition on its own
First in my life I realised I need a bedtime story.
Yes…. If we are wise , we will all go back and reparent our child heart so that we can walk in fullness as adults . ❤
Take up fantasy novels some time, you hopefully won’t regret it 🤘
I’m a Tolkien kid myself
This lowkey fucked me up like damn
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
what is the episode number or who is the guest? I want to watch the full episode!
Adhd is so much more than just “tuning out”
Is it tho?
fr, i have adhd and this dude has no clue tf hes talking about. its so much more than he says
@@nahrikkon8355 literally he has no idea what he's talking about
@@Captainspamo fr, its dumb as shit
This guy could possibly present this argument for ADD, but this video shows a clear misunderstanding of ADHD.
I can relate so much to this, I'm diagnosed but i have some suspicions, I feel like I have been tuning out throughout by whole childhood
I always hear people talk about tuning out, but if you tune out you must be tuning into something else unless you're just blank. If you tune a radio, you either get a signal or static until you find another signal.
Tell that to my child that bounced off the walls and made loud noises.didnt fall asleep,but passed out,when he could sleep.he also had motor skill issues and partially color blind,also focal seizures.now he's the calmest person,quiet,but very organized now that he is grown.crazy switch.once he became 17,it all slowed down.
“Wow, this makes so much sense!” - everyone who doesn’t have ADHD
People without adhd telling me how my brain works when there’s already plenty of studies…
@@Adam-tu1qx plenty of people in these comments who have adhd and agree. why don't you research who funds these studies, and think about what kinda motives they might have
@@absoul1295 I’m more than familiar with finding unbiased research papers.
I will continue to believe peer reviewed studies from universities over joe fucking rogan
"I act like a right cunt but you can't blame me because I have ADHD"
People with ADHD
I suggest letting go of victimhood mentality tbh. As much as possible. Basically an addiction to giving away our power to anything "out there". Not taking full responsibility. Arguing for our limitations. It really allows you to heal transcend, thrive, etc. Always a thing to face more deeply, and so uplift still further. Just a thought.
I feel like he also explained dissociation which is another coping mechanism for stress and anxiety. It's a very scary feeling
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hence why he said tuning out
Is it scary to the person experiencing it though? As someone who might have experienced that it was the most freeing experience for me. Until I was dragged back down to earth by reality being awful.
Whats that ? Is it like depersonalisation?
Not also that’s what the video was explaining and didn’t even know it😭🤚
Just by the response we can conclude two things
1- He’s not a psychiatrist
2- He doesn’t have ADHD
Nor does he understand what it actually is. To all of you who do have adhd, remember that it is a real struggle, and you should get the help you need.
I have adhd and that don’t exactly explain why I’m hyper active but it does explain why I tune out everything and I don’t really feel emotion like everyone else seems to, I just don’t care like when my dog died and I had to bury him I didn’t cry until 3 days later and I only cried once.
When I realized that’s what I done with most of my life it scared me and I thought I had something wrong with me like if I was a psychopath or a sociopath or something, it still kinda scares me till this dad cause what if I don’t feel any emotions to my wife if I get one or any emotion to my kids when there born.
Though you may feel this way and that you are different understand to be different is just to be you but to be alone is to have no one but you and those feelings and thoughts this happen to us all while I can't break down how to fix it and make your life better and can say your not crazy and maybe you just don't need all those feelings opridder understand this made me realize this as well its hard for those of us stuck in out head to even talk about our feelings so read this well my friend it's easy to put a comment online with no name its hard to find someone with your real name and face to face say those same words and let them see how you feel no matter how hard after all I am commenting on here like I have any room to talk
Take it easy my man and know if nothing else were alike
~Eric
@@crystialakers5743 Eric your words are a treasure to read and you are absolutely right about everything you said for whom I am a faceless, nameless being who possesses a different understanding of how to feel and how to express myself to another in the real world.
I am deeply disappointed that I am not alone with this weight on my shoulders cause I don’t want anyone else to feel the same way I do
Eric may you find peace and satisfaction along your travels and grow to understand your differences to the rest of the world, I have faith in you Eric
Sincerely a no more nameless being
~ Jonathan
It's not a coping mechanism.
@@Chiller-pc1dv what is it?
@@OpRidder4920 A disorder, a form of neurodivergency like autism.
Guest: if I were to stress you what would be your options of dealing with it?
Joe: get high
Nice profile pick 👍
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That's my go to!
#1 coping mechanism!
pharmacologists agree!
I used to struggle with sitting still to study, but these days my body copes differently .. I just fall asleep. This happens with almost every lecture, educational video or while reading academic papers/ textbooks. okay However, 1-2 weeks before my exam adrenaline kicks in and I'm hyper-focused every minute of my wake time , learning faster than all my peers. Needless to say I don't retain the information well after the exam.
Great insight. If we could all just home in and target the environment that allows us to function at a 100%...!
Wait till you get a real job, you're gonna burn out with that style.
I’m going through that exact thing now actualy
I went through the same thing in college. You have to train yourself to deal with it. It still happens, but not as severely or as often. I'm almost 50 and have been teaching for 23 years. You'll figure out what works best for you.
@@orion9k did u have this problem?
I was diagnosed at 15 and I’ve always had a problem with the diagnosis. Of course, no one listened to me back then because apparently teens don’t know anything. But I specifically remember, in sixth grade, teaching myself to dissociate from reality when I was stressed or anxious. I had been practicing that subconsciously for years but that’s when I started doing it consciously. It got worse and worse and now I struggle with “ADHD,” maladaptive daydreaming, depression, feeling disconnected, and a plethora of other things.
It seems hereditary because parents usually deal with those things too and kids mirror their parents’ behavior.
The one reason this is considered an "illness" is so doctors can prescribe drugs and therapy.
That is also why they don't use the word "crazy" anymore. You can't treat "crazy". It is all a money grab to keep you dependent on the system & their "medicine" for your whole life.
@@yoholmes273 Very true. I don't take medication now but I was prescribed some when I was first diagnosed. And at least in America, if you try to tell people to stop being so dependent on medication, they get mad at you because they feel like they can't function without it. It's really sad how big pharma has a stranglehold on us.
@KLC Most of the "mental illnesses" Americans "suffer' from is a scam perpetuated by the medical community simply to get you to be dependent your entire life.
Most of these 'illnesses" would be mitigated with a comprehensive diet & workout program that also incorporates yoga & breathing techniques.
Drug companies, however, are only made for one thing, to sell drugs.
@@yoholmes273Just gonna spew a bunch of conspiracy theories about "big pharma" shows some privilege, considering you clearly don't know how hard psychiatric medications can be to get, ESPECIALLY ADHD meds being so heavily regulated, especially if you don't have insurance. Oh and how many people aren't getting diagnosed until adulthood and not even being able to afford medication. Oh and pharmacists sometimes treating us like addicts. Also would you rather people who suffer from schitzoid disorders or bipolar disorder not be on the medication and suffer through the worst of their symptoms because "DRUGS BAD!!!! WHAT'S NUANCE???"
But yes, let's force everyone to take psychiatric pills for fun, time to make them crazy expensive and hard to get, that'll do it!!! 🙄 Ignorant, aren't you? And diagnosis doesn't give you the disorder sweetie, many people with disorders have TRIED all of those things you suggested, ya damn Facebook antivaxx mom. Sure they can HELP, but they won't fix anything, and you clearly don't understand it. You should feel lucky you don't have to deal with mental illness. And btw ADHD isn't a mental illness, it's a neurodivergency like autism.
This may be situational. This resonates with me as I grew up in a high stress environment with care takers that often took their stress and anger out on my siblings and I and couldn’t leave. I’m the only one in my family that was officially diagnosed with ADHD, anxiety, and depression. I also struggle with anxious avoidant attachments. A lot of symptoms of all these things can resemble one another and overlap. I don’t think what this man is saying is dismissive of adhd entirely, but he’s pointing out similarities between a condition and outcomes of a situation. I as an adult still lean into coping mechanisms that I don’t need anymore and it has created further stress in my life and working to create new ones when I still feel like that stuck and neglected child has been really hard. It’s just a different perspective, and I don’t think doctors have enough information when making diagnoses like this especially with children.
As someone who had severe ADHD from birth, this has 0 correlation to my parents situation.
yeah idk how true what he's saying is. seems like that's not quite it
Yeah, same.
Perhaps what he is saying correlates to the overdiagnosis of ADHD. Perhaps if ADHD removed all cases that were caused by a coping mechanism and left only a mental disorder caused by inheritance, fewer people would be diagnosed with ADHD.
Maybe, but this is still a very backwards way of describing something they don't have, everyone else operates normally, they will likely never understand in our lifetime what we have to go through
Yeah, you’re probably repressing the truth about it. Most of us do, because childhood trauma is too overwhelming to the child brain.
As someone with ADHD and considering my relationship with my parents this actually makes a lot of sense to me now.
I had a wonderful relationship with my parents I couldn't fault them. This is guy is talking nonsense.
Turns out it's tylenol
@@SamMorrisUk well it may not be the case for everyone but if there is research behind it I don’t think it’s that far fetched
Correlating these things is fine. But its evidence, not proof. The thing is is that there are people who with great parents have the same things. But good parentage surely helps a lot.
@@emmaleola2133 there is no research lmao, he's just correlating things. I could easily say the same about PTSD or Depression.
We understand very little about mental illnesses and it's very possible that different mental illnesses are actually manifestations of the same underlying issue, but to suggest that ADHD is caused by stress via parents is a very Freudian and myopic explanation. Babies and toddlers are exposed to ALL kinds of stress when growing up, especially outside of the home.
Rogan loves having people who don't know what they're actually saying on
TH-cam scientists, what am I even doing at grad school when I can get all that here
Paying for credits of course
this guy's clearly wrong lol
This is one of the most jaw-dropping realizations I’ve had in a long time.
Fucking same
same here
Same fr
This is stupid. Who didn’t have parents who were stressed? “Omg..my parents were stressed so that’s why I have ADHD!!!”
No..you just have an information processing difference which is NOT a coping mechanism. If you like what this guy says, you will LOVE horoscopes.
That's because he presents a super simple explanation for a complicated problem with zero evidence. Easy to accept and just say "ooh shit he's right!". But is he?..i don't know
i got diagnosed and my parents were always very attentive with me and always tried to help me, they would also avoid to ever fight in front of me, i never felt stress as a kid. ADHD is really hard because you really want to focus but its very hard to get yourself to. I dont take medication for it because id rather find natural ways to help myself.
I think you should atleast try medication even if its just for a week, it changed my life and helped so much in school
@@tylerwatson9230 there's no long term studies on the effects of taking that type of medication. And tbh taking it as much as I did growing up. It doesn't help your brain development at all. It really stems from being 💉 injured as a baby. No child should be getting a buzz off the medication. No child should just sit on the couch zoned out to appease others. It happened to me btw
Petroleum based medicine is horrible for the body. And everyone should do a detox from it. The medical community was bought out by the Rockefellers. And petroleum based medicine was pushed onto the people unwillingly.
Natural is always best. Diet plays a huge role in that as well. When I eat right it's easier to control.
@@SM-pi5pu they've been medicating people for ADHD for multiple decades. The long term effects are highly documented as being mostly non existent when you 1. Actually have ADHD 2. Medicated correctly
You don't seem to actually know what ADHD is. Being injured as a baby would be more indicative of brain damage not ADHD.
@@jamesderiter4370 roughly 80% of ADHD children prescribed ritilin (Methylphenidate) go on to be drug addicts later in life. So you also clearly don't know what you're talking about. Most doctor really shy away from prescribing Methylphenidate to children under 16 now.
I was one of those children in the early 90s.
My doctor doesn't even like prescribing it to adults anymore unless they can't hold down a job. It's basically meth.
I've done meth, cocaine, and many other stimulants. Trust me, it's the same crap.
I'm now an electrical contractor and have stayed away from hard drugs for years.
Being medicated as a child was far worse for me than not.
What I really needed was parents that didn't beat the sht out of each other and traumatize me. Not ritilin. I would have outbursts at school after my parents had a fresh domestic dispute. Then my parents would omit that part and my doses would be increased by my clueless pediatrician.
Joe Rogan should interview this guy much much more and go way deep about everything
this guy looks like default dark souls 3 character customization thing
Evidence: “Just trust me”
Psychologists dont know to a brain molecular level what a "mental illness" is, they just asume. So just sup
@@gabrielbay9739 you're so wrong lol
@@jonathancormack actually, they’re not. Little is known about mental illness. The only way mental illness can be studied is by its outside effects and MRI’s. Until we understand fully how to brain works. As in, when we figure out how to create artificial general intelligence, then we could start to actually figure out how mental illnesses work
@@gabrielbay9739 They literally describe the chemical imbalances within the brain and neurons as well as many brain scans. Tf are you on about?
My parents were amazing growing up. They never did any of this crap. I have ADD and always had all through school. No one knew about adhd when I was young. I was blessed. My parents were my rock. They were presenr. They participated. They worked hard.
Same here. I mean I know I hv 4 siblings but I’m the second eldest so they didn’t come until later. But they still gave us all the attention we needed
This is what you can expect from the kind of "intellectuals" who go on Rogan.
Same here, parents were more than great, yet both me and my brother have it. 😅
@A Blind M0use inaccurate. He's saying it's possible to change habits.
It's not necessarily easy or simple
Some habits can be easy to alter and some very difficult.
Smoking
Gambling
Alcohol
Nutrition
Most people have challenges just trying to change what they eat
@A Blind M0use Do you have bad habits
I'm in a support group for moms of ADHD kids, and I'll just say... I can see why these kids are stressed
The misinformation people like this guy in the video spread certainly doesn't help.
@@Chiller-pc1dvThat's Dr. Gabor Maté and he's a leading expert in childhood trauma and addiction. What misinformation do you speak of?
@@jnl3564Yeah, interesting how none of his specialties are ADHD or neurodivergencies. Him knowing about addiction and trauma has nothing to do with knowing about various neurodivergencies. "Scientists have not yet identified the specific causes of ADHD. While there is growing evidence that genetics contribute to ADHD and several genes have been linked to the disorder, no specific gene or gene combination has been identified as the cause of the disorder. However, it is important to note that relatives of individuals with ADHD are often also affected. There is evidence of anatomical differences in the brains of children with ADHD in comparison to other children without the condition. For instance, children with ADHD have reduced grey and white brain matter volume and demonstrate different brain region activation during certain tasks (Pliszka, 2007). Further studies have indicated that the frontal lobes, caudate nucleus, and cerebellar vermis of the brain are affected in ADHD (Tripp & Wickens, 2009). Several non-genetic factors have also been linked to the disorder such as low birth weight, premature birth, exposure to toxins (alcohol, smoking, lead, etc.) during pregnancy, and extreme stress during pregnancy."
Literally EVERY piece of evidence from the over 100 years of scientific study of ADHD proves him wrong. Yes people with ADHD can have trauma, but trauma doesn't cause ADHD. How much do you even know about how ADHD works? Because I've both studied it and HAVE diagnosed ADHD. In fact I was diagnosed twice, once at 6 and again in my 20's.
OCD is NOT caused by trauma, and is NOT a coping mechanism, it's a neurodevelopmental disorder and a neurodivergency like autism.
@@jnl3564Maybe their moms are fucked up because they also have untreated ADHD?
@@Chiller-pc1dv thank you! A Grimes, my gears when somebody calls, ADHD or autism, because I’m also also autistic as well as ADHD mental illnesses when they are not mental illnesses they are neural developmental disorders, which are completely different things. I could be related to possible environmental factors of when the child’s developing in the womb, but that does not mean that trauma causes ADHD. It is a change and difference in the brain. And is mostly. So I did not see this before until I was just diagnosed with ADHD. I was diagnosed with autism at six so I’m used to that and I’m 30 almost 31 now. But I’m still kind of adjusting to my ADHD diagnosis as I was pretty recent as that was missed. And yeah, I had a thorough evaluation that wasn’t a slap on diagnosis. I was concerned when learning about happenstance ADHD from ADHD TH-camr, and there’s a lot of symptoms I resonated with. But never once self diagnosed. I was like OK, I’m worried about things that I experience that could be ADHD and I want to get assessed. And I got assessed with a thorough verbal evaluation, as well as a giant paper evaluation that both my mom and I filled out. I didn’t notice about myself recently is things I’ve always been aware about of myself first of all is my inability to focus, or also hyperfocus, depending on which it is. I was recorded to have an auditory processing disorder, which also is a symptom of ADHD. Sometimes when I try and listen to somebody, it’s like my brain forget to listen I’m sure you can probably relate to this and doesn’t register. And if somebody tells me something verbally, I forget it like almost instantly later it has to be written down. Also, struggling a lot of issues from all my life with being on time also keeping things orderly and tidy. Constantly losing things, even if they are 2 feet away from me. I lose my phone no joke like 15 times a day and sometimes half the time I’m sitting on it. Since I’ve been put on Vyvanse that has reduced. I also recently had a revelation of what it means to actually be lazy. Being lazy means that you’re having fun. Executive disfunction is not fun and you desperately want to do the thing but it’s like your brain is stuck. And sometimes I physically just can’t move, or sometimes mentally I get mental paralysis and can’t decide on something. Like several times has this has happened to me where I’ve thought about wanting to do the thing and I laid in bed for like eight hours trying to mentally do it but I just could not unstick myself and that was frustrating. Also, I have severe issues with the concept of time and time blindness. And actually, I’ve realized, too, that I can’t sit still more than I thought. Also, I didn’t think about this until somebody said it and I was like no. In an evaluation done of me, the evaluator gets bored easily. I read that and I was like no. But when I think about that more in the day actually, that is super true. Half the time when I’m listening to music I decide if I wanna listen this song by skipping right to the middle. I’m not patient enough to wait for the buildup to the middle to see if I actually want to listen to the song which is my favourite part of the song which is the middle. 😂 and Marriott of other symptoms, but as somebody who studied ADHD, and as war, but knows that these are huge tail signs. And also, I realize that actually for like my entire life, I’ve always thought out external things to make me feel good because I just didn’t feel good. And so I’ve had bingeing episodes of sugar because it makes me feel good. And also I’ve had times where I completely forget to eat or drink anything throughout the entire day. I unfortunately deal with multiple medical conditions. I won’t get into, but I have several that kind of crossover into different symptoms but I’ve been evaluated enough to know that I do have the multiple ones. My diagnoses weren’t just handed out to me. And also just watching my dad my mom and I swears that he’s also on the spectrum and also in reflecting realizing that I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD he exhibits all the same symptoms. He’s also had issues with maintaining a tidy space, and procrastination and running late all the time, and he can’t sit still for the life of him. And my brother even made a comment to my mom. That was like Kathryn’s just like dad.. 😅My name is Kathryn. And even though I do resemble my mom. Behavioural wise, I resemble my dad a lot. Even down to our fingernails. My dad and I both have ridges in our fingernails and my brother and my mom both have smooth. And also my dad and I never needed braces and my mom and my brother both needed braces. 😂 so anyway thank you for saying that and I completely agree with you and that grinds my gears at the misinformation. And that the fact that having autism and having ADHD are not mental illnesses. And just word choices like that have always upset me. Anyway, that’s just me and my spiel and I really loved your comment and I wanted to tell you that is somebody who has two neurodevelpmental disorders. Mental illnesses can often be as a result of trauma. And the person is likely to be predisposed, and the right things are set off when certain traumas happen. And just environmental things for example, somebody on the spectrum is likely to have anxiety because they are ostracized socially so of course they would have social anxiety. And everyone responds to traumas differently. it’s like two children growing up in an alcoholic household and one swears off alcohol, and the other is more likely to possibly become addicted later in life. Or they both could develop problems with it. Or they could both be fine and well adjusted and not have issues because of what they saw. Everyone is definitely 100,000%. ADHD is definitely not a freaking coping mechanism or a trauma response which grinds my gears. Anyway, I appreciate your comment and thank you very much for saying that.
not him saying it’s a poor coping mechanism LMFAOO
ok
ADHD is sooooo much more complex than attentiveness problems oml😂
Ok minority
@@shockwavesteve show me on this 🧸 where jace touched you
you are right bro. this guy is just saying random shit
It can be as simple as that with the current definition and diagnostic techniques... When you have a massive uptick in cases of ADHD, most of them can be attributed to the inattentiveness of parents and desire for them to have an easy out, easy diagnosis and a pill and eagerness of doctors to slap a label and get a payout from pharmaceutical companies, it's the norm.
When you're talking about the RARE AND ACTUAL ADHD from decades ago, then yes, its more complex, but that's not the norm of diagnosed patients anymore.
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
Attentiveness problems is literally in the name of the disorder.
My parents struggled financially so much when I was born and until the age of 15 or 16 when I started working. My daughter is 18 months old, her mother and I do everything in our power to never argue infront of her and to make every moment she has with us as happy as possible. I don't want her to have the same struggles I did and still do
Yeah that's the right thing to do! You are so strong power to you and your family🌸💕
wait but what has this to do with ADHD? arguing Infront of kids makes them ADHD or smthing?
Lol and you’ll be raising a snowflake. Stop shielding your children from basic human condition like arguing. Your job is to prepare them for the tough world out there expecting them when the leave the nest, not raise them to be snowflakes
I'm glad you chose to be a person who consciously parents their child. Good luck to you all.
@@bluelit4830 thanks for the advice, person from the Internet 👍
Really, I love Dr Mate's calm communication and soothing voice. His topic is interesting and it holds attention. His view and clinical experience re ADHD as coping mechanism makes sense.
Came from a very dysfunctional household and was always known to daydream or zone out as a kid. The only way for me to cope as I got into my later teens was to straight up forget trauma along with a lot of events surrounding it. It felt as if my recollection of earlier events in my life were completely wiped by my subconscious. But every once in a blue moon it comes back to me, cold sweats and that crushing emptiness at night. Honestly, the brain is an amazing thing, keep pushing through people.
How did you manage to progress through it? if you did. Im asking because you literally described what im going through.
You just described my life
Such a great comment from someone who has first hand knowledge and has clearly worked very hard to fight through and I just want to say thank you for sharing and keep being AWESOME!! 💖
That's interesting to hear. in my late teens I really wanted to forget all the bad memories and If I thought about an old memory I stopped myself and started doing something. Now I'm 28 I have almost no recollection of childhood and I can't remember more than 3 things from when I was 21 or under. I just wanted to forget the bad things but now I can't remember anything and when I try to it's like my thoughts just shut down
I developed this during my middle school years from being bullied and getting picked on. I still struggle with it to this day. I stayed single for years which made it easy to deal with but now that I’m married it’s a struggle to manage it and remember things because I used to have a routine that I followed, but now everything just seems chaotic in my mind because I have to mix in her plans with mine. She tells me to make lists which helps.
Ah yes. Three generations of loving parents and coping mechanisms in my family.
"Research does not support the popularly held views that ADHD is caused by eating too much sugar, watching too much television, parenting, or social and environmental factors such as poverty or family chaos." (however these things can exacerbate symptoms or correlate with anxiety which ADHD shares symtoms with)
@@timgoodliffe Source?
@@timgoodliffe What would research into brain plasticity say on this? And who funded the research? There is precious little research on adhd that isn't funded by the medical companies themselves.
@@Pickled_Poet My life has none of these factors were present and I have ADHD. It's BS arguments made by people who have bigotry towards ADHD but are trying to find an excuse to start supporting us.
@@antmess9789 All I asked for was source of information. I can look up the guy in the video, and get accrediation. However if you going to use quotes, then I would appreciate a source.
Personal experiences shouldn't be included in research aswell, and I frankly don't care about your experiences on an online comment thread. I'm looking at research.
ADHD tuning in C sharp
Honestly as a young kid I never had ADHD issues. It's only when I got older that I started showing signs. And I've been thinking about this a lot. Because I think at least in my case, it was definitely something that was caused at a later point in my childhood.
In the full podcast he talks about the parents but his main claim is that any large amount of stress that is repeated and you cannot just get away from can cause this, not to say he’s right or wrong just that depending on how old you were, as you’re life got more stressful that could POTENTIALLY explain it, I’m not an expert and my info is limited
Did it start later in life or did it become clear later in life? I wasn't diagnosed until adulthood. I had the symptoms since childhood but I was always able to cover for them except for the hyperactivity.
@@dallasdingman9905 well I did get diagnosed with depression and anxiety when I was 12. I spent many years being abused and in a codependent, emotionally incestuous relationship and I really suffered a lot from it in many ways, in addition to experiences outside the home. There was no escape no matter where I went or what I did. So I mean. That much checks out, at least.
@@sheadoherty7434 Well, i never had the hyperactivity. I actually ended up developing chronic fatigue lmao and honestly as a kid i was one of the most focused people I knew and was always mad that people couldn't stay on the same conversation topic, or would claim they couldn't focus so XYZ was taking them longer. That would get on my nerves so badly.
It honestly feels like it developed slowly, symptom by symptom, caused by various things (the memory black outs and subsequent bad short term memory, inability to retain information, inability to follow verbal instructions, needing people to repeat something even though I was trying to pay attention because everything they just said sounded like simlish etc being caused by longterm chronic depression and trauma, just as an example of one of the broader symptoms) and eventually it just culminated in me having enough at the same time to obtain a diagnosis. Not too sure where the hyper fixation/hyper focus aspect came from, though, if I'm gonna stick to this theory lol
But no to answer your question, i was never hyper and could pay attention and focus on one thing for a length of time a lot better than most kids. My memory was great, i was good at following directions, and I didn't have weird stuff like time blindness or anything like that. So. Yeah. I dunno.
ADHD is there from birth, symptoms just can shift. It's a spectrum disorder.
"The so-called experts..." -- When someone uses this phrase everyone should immediately see red flags
The problem in today is that we are looking for red flags.
From the comments you would think that he's THE EXPERT 🤣.
Not like ADHD is actually manageable with drugs. Nor almost every single psychological trauma has an after effects of multiple disorders 🤣.
@@ranmori915 Noooo.... It's the parents! Believing that ADHD is real and helped by medication is too boring. Real science is boring.
@@jldstuff393 strawman, he does not say its not real, he just says its not an illness its a coping mechanism, nor does he talk about drugs. looks like you tuned out.
@@n0xumbr473 literally no one says its an illness/ mental illness. Its a disorder, its literally in the name.
So I was recently diagnosed with ADHD about a year ago. College has been super rough and my ability to study was terrible. I also had a poor GPA. Then on summer break I was able to get ADHD meds, Ritalin to be specific. I literally cannot stress enough how much these meds helped. I literally got an A on physics 2 over the summer, as well as a B on calculus 2. Now I'm taking physics 3 and calc 3 as well as some other classes and I'm crushing it. Ritalin has literally brought out the potential I always knew I had, but couldn't access due to executive dysfunction. I've transformed as a person. While this is just a personal anecdote, and thus, you should (obviously) take it with a grain of salt. I can promise you that if ADHD was just a coping mechanism, Ritalin wouldn't have had the effect its had. You can't medicate coping mechanism away. You can't medicate laziness. You can Medicate ADHD. It's biological.
Yes, glad someone is saying this.
Exactly. There's a physical component. Moreover, someone who is high energy but not ADHD & gets Ritalin and they'll be bouncing off the walls, because Ritalin is a stimulant. It will not help you focus AT ALL.
Good job with school! Shout out to you- that's awesome for believing in yourself 😁
Taking medication is just another form of a coping mechanism. Nothing wrong with that but it’s the truth.
Im grade 12 and Ive recently quit my adhd medication from taking it since grade 2. I feel a drop in productivity and more impulsive but I do feel like I can get things done when I only really focus in and make sure I move to a ultimate task
My guy my parents were there every step of the way I still tune out like an old tv
No one says it's an illness, it's a disorder, ADHD isn't just about zoning out, there's a huge range of traits.
"What does your brain do when it's stuck like that?" Joe: "It takes Dm.. tunes out, yea"
Best comment I’ve seen in a while😂😂😂
It’s a different animal?
@Chris Wings It FACTSSSSSSSSSSS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING
@Chris Wings It yeah but 2 things can be true, he doesn’t have an explanation for everyone but for a majority of people that have adhd (myself and others I know) were often under stress from parents or teachers (teachers was me) so when I’d get annoyed I’d start tuning out my teachers and I used that going forward. Great for you it’s not like that for you, but you are not everyone 😂😂😂
@Chris Wings It also he never said you cant be successful, you added negative connotations to what he said. Unwittingly, aka… Nevermind 😂😂😂😂
i like how he just disagreed with decades of clinical studies and thousands of harvard level doctors and scientists and joe is just like "yea man"
i like how he just disagreed with decades of clinical studies and thousands of harvad level doctors and scientists and the comments are like “yea man”
Joe Rogan doesn't challenge his guests. He just lets them say their piece and he almost always just goes along. A dangerous idiot
Fr like bro this is complete bullshit
this is the dangerous type of misinformation that leads to people becoming naysayers of research and new developments
@@lisabailey2515 Well yeah, theyre EXPERTS. They have studied and gotten degrees in whatever field theyre specializing in. I dont get how you can ignore the collective agreement on thousands of studies about this, unless of course you think theyre trying to lie to you for whatever reason. It is unlikely theyre all agreeing collectively to increase the income of the industry as a whole with little impact to the people working in the field.
Yep, I knew this for a long time. You can't leave the classroom when this happens as a child in school. It's a nightmare being stuck in a boring school for all those hrs. They load you up on meds and try to say the child is to blame. 🙄🙄
i agree that the ADHD/ADD diagnoses can be often given out incorrectly, but it does exist.
Just tell me what this man is on to be this mellow. That's all I need to know.
Better coping mechanisms 😎
Dmt and several hours of watching chimp documentaries is clinically proven to help you be relaxed 😂
Just tell me who this person is so I can listen the actual episode. Smh
Addressed his anxieties and did his best to process his trauma
@@casperghost9808 Dr. Gabor Maté
My parents were some of the most calm, loving, and supportive that I've ever heard of and I have ADHD really bad. I'm calling BS.
Considering how studies show ppl with adhd functioning better under stress yeah this is definitely bs
And you're right to. Joe Rogan here, the guy on the left, is known for just not fact checking anything anyone says and just going along with whatever, and in more recent years, has been hosting increasingly destructive, anti science figures. The doctor here for instance is completely wrong about what ADHD is. ADHD has been proven to be something you're born with. That and people with ADHD are more likely to hyper fixate on a stressor and zone out when they're bored, as I'm sure you've probably experienced.
Lol he didn't say it's always cause of that, he also said trauma as well, maybe it was something else bro, chill out he's a doctor
Yeah, load of bull. One doctor vs an entire field. ADHD is real but ofc as with all things mental, not 100% is known. What I know, me and my mom are very much like with our symptoms but our ways to deal with it are vastly different. Never saw a fight in my household
@@BFlorry bro it doesn't have to just be fights in the household go look at what else this guy has said guy, it could be that you and a step parent don't get along, or a sibling possibly on the low chance or or your parents are really strict on you and stuff. Instead of saying someone's wrong instantly do more research
Gabor Mate is an actual genius...
He's spot on
Theres a lot more to ADHD than just "not paying attention" or "tuning out", I didnt have problems "tuning in" either. One of my more defining characteristics is that I give myself too much to do and lacking the initiation and motivation to bring myself to do these things, I'm not tuning out anything, it's constantly on my mind, 24/7, yet I do nothing about it. And when I do I commit to it 200% and am able to complete tremendous progress and then go back to procrastinating. I sleep too late, wake up too late, worrying about things to do, not doing anything, waiting for night and thats where I do everything.
Edit: before you just say "you're lazy" you don't even know me. While i did say i struggle with motivation and actually initiating and committing to do something, that doesn't mean i just sit on my ass all day doing "literally nothing", I'm doing something all the time, just not the thing i always want to do. I need a constant stream of information for me to function properly. If i get information silence i get restless and impulsive, but if there is some kind of stimulus, even just music, then I'll be fine and can work normally. Not to mention i do the things i still want to do within the day or days, i go to the gym 3-6 times a week for 5-6 months, so you cant say I'm just lazy or undisciplined, that's just my workflow
Ty this guy is wrong I am sorry but wrong.
Me to
@@ryansturgell5464 he is the world's foremost expert on ADHD and addiction. Just because you can't handle the facts don't mean he's wrong.
Man you lack motivation! And ultimately need to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you want to change or now. Going to Sleep to late ? Waking up to late? Are things you can fix within a week or two. You need to check with the guy in the mirror first buddy.
When you finally start a task is where the fun begins, trying to bloody stop and move to another one is almost impossible for me.
Hyperfocusing is a pain in the ass!
My parents fought sooooo much when I was growing up. Never a good Christmas. I can get behind that for sure. I tune people out so much it's insane.
Don't tune me out friend ,il listen :)
I'm not going to lie I'm kind of mad that some strange Eastern European man made too much sense my entire life has been a coping mechanism at this point
You might have ADHD or you might not but your parents fighting has nothing to do with it. There is plenty of data - the experts know very clearly what ADHD is; just because you don't, doesn't make this guy right
@@1physics I believe my ADHD led me to believe this guy as yet another coping mechanism the irony is not lost on me
Can you explain further what "tuning out" means?
In all my years, I've never heard a more valid point as to why I am the way I am, and I'm watching my oldest become due to his mother and my relationship at first. Wether someone believes it or not. This video and explanation may have just saved my children and my relationship, and their very growth and life. So, thank you. I'll check back in 6 months to update the progress.
His explanation sounds more like ptsd than adhd
As someone diagnosed with ADHD. This comment section drives me mad. ADHD is literally a neurological, genetic disorder. Your environment has nothing to do with it. This makes no actual sense.
Yes you could hypothetically develop ADHD’esque symptoms from a wide variety of things but not ADHD itself. Show some respect and stop self diagnosing
Your neurological makeup changes as you grow when you are a child and there is no actual evidence of it being genetic. They only say that because it normally “runs” in a family, but if this what this dude said is true then it would make sense why family members would normally continue to get it. Being diagnosed with degrees of ADHD is very common now days, which reflects the average emotional connection most parent have with there kids.
I also have ADHD, but don’t understand why you would take offense to these comments.
My mom nor my dad have diagnosed ADHD but I ended up getting it. Not many family members in my family have it either other than my old stepdad who my mom has since divorced. I would say that he was probably one of the main reasons I have ADHD because his dad was a terrible parent and in turn he treated me and my brother the same way. Both me and my brother have multiple so called “genetic disorders” yet none of my related family have them. I believe what this dude said about them being coping mechanism is most likely pretty accurate.
I swear to God, people blindly listening to Joe Rogan’s podcast are the stupidest out there. I’m glad there’s still some sensibility from someone actually affected by it.
This whole comment section actually reminds me a lot of Plato’s cave allegory
No it most definetely isn't. We barely understand what ADHD means and how it develops or come about in people, and what falls under this wide vague umbrella increases each year. What is certainly isn't is a well defined and understood mental health issue, and the confidence you display with being this strict in how you believe ADHD is defined is worrisome.
I have ADHD and my parents were the most present, warm, caring people ever ._.
People have to blame somebody…
Exactly. Crazy how people just take anything they hear on the internet at face value
@@thomasfitzgibbon1675 Joe Rogan has people eating rancid bull testicles on Fear Factor. Why anyone would watch him for anything other than entertainment is beyond me😂
I'm so glad there isn't rampant misunderstanding and misinformation circulated about by people who have no idea what they're talking about online all the time!
My brain is malfunctioning like my mind has been blown
Damn bro I need to sit on the porch for a minute
🤣
Got me thinkin and shit
Duuude
Why? Usually when i go outside and sit on porch. Is after I eat some taco bell..my farts smell so bad that my family gets mad at me. You have same thing?
@@VAL3NTIN3 bro he’s talking about going into deep thought u got ibs my nigga💀
My dad admitted to me that my mother would interpret my crying as an infant as me rejecting her. He said they often forgot to feed me because my mother was so distraught she would just leave me in my crib to cry by myself and say “if she doesn’t want me as a mom, then fine”. My mother is a narcissist by the way. Plus, I remember them yelling and screaming at each other and slamming doors from my earliest memories. I was diagnosed with adhd at 8 years old lol.
Sorry to hear that. I too have had a similar experience. My mum has always been strange towards me. But recently because she's super detached she unknowingly admitted to something that now fits the puzzles of her bizarre behaviour towards me. I have 4 siblings eldest 18years older then me youngest 8.5 years older then me. She did everything normal with them maternal placed them in kidagaren always observant. She also cant tell me anything with detail of what i did as a toddler or baby but can on detail with others that predate me by many years. She told me she left in a daycare for 4 days a week for 8 hours a day once I turned 3 months old too 3 years old. She had no obligations that made her choose that decision because her life was my demanding when my other siblings were born she was studying an online course at home 10mins away from the daycare I was in whlist my siblings she took maternity leave to be with them even if she was working she'd always have someone around to look after them. She also admitted that the daycare was the worest in our state but it was so much cheaper then my sisters so it was affordable yet the oldest sister 14years older then me had full time baily classes by on the most esteemed teacher in Australia which was a whole heap of money at that time yet her excuse was finical issues. Because most daycares refuse children under 9months old and the ones that don't are usually much more expensive or not the best. Anyways they didn't have facility for me because of my age they complained that I wouldn't go to sleep in the afternoon so they'd leave me in the crib until my grandfather would pick me up. My mum felt suspicious of the staff there but took it as a inconvince to herself so I remained they're until my third birthday. After 4moths of staying at that new day care which I arrived on my third birthday I went to another country for a year. When I came back after many bad things happened I reunited with my mum. Let's just say she didn't change since I left. I always felt guilty that I have no memories of her as a kid and I remember my arrival and stay at the other country but now that this was revealed it makes sense why I have no recollection of her.
Did your mom finally go see a psychiatrist? What an unusual thing for a mother to think....
I have deeply caring parents that never argued and were always supportive of my growth. I was diagnosed at 6.
Yes I understand. My dad was always working and my mom was always taking care of my other siblings who are disabled. Like if I needed anything, it was always
1. Take care of other child.
2. Forget what my needs were.
3. Dismiss my needs, repeat.
I was severely neglected because my parents don't want to connect with me. I never did homework.
My son's mother did this with my boy and her own son. I don't have the answers. I thought as a guy I'd be able to figure all this shit out but no one prepares you for a mother that doesn't care about being a mother but wants many children. I myself have adult adhd
Yeah if ADHD was just about not sitting still he might have a point 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"A lot of the experts"
Yeah as opposed to trust me bro?
As someone with adhd, we don’t only tune out our stressors. We just so enthralled by what’s going on in our head nothing else matters
@jackson reed Sounds like something a distressed toddler might do to cope no?
Watching my child today, and she's in her own world. And loves it. Only gets hard when people try to get her to live in theirs.
Exactly bro!
keep telling yourself lies to help you sleep better
@@GrandMasterKai sleep ? What’s that ? And I’m the kinda person to deal with things that stress me out head on. Things we tune out some would call just plain “uninteresting”
My parents were fantastic parents and still are to this day. I remember asking my parents if they ever fought because I never saw them argue once in my life.
Yet, I have the worst case of ADHD my doctor has seen to this day.
Yeah, this type of explanation is bullshit. Stressed childhoods are not new or rare. They are so prevalent that you will have a massive overlap between people with ADHD and stressful childhoods even if there was no relationship between the two at all. And I'm not saying there isn't, it might be an exasperating factor, but it's not the cause. This is oversimplified nonsense.
Maybe you tuned it out 😀
But seriously, parents fighting is not the only cause of this. It was one example.
ADH is a set of manifestations that can be caused by multiple things. Yes, it can be a coping mechanism but it can also be the consequence of brain dysfunction on some of it's áreas. Diagnosis has to be made on an individualized basis, not all ADHD have the same cause nor respond to the very same treatments
Exactly. This guy is talking out of his ass.
Parents were a mere example other constant sources of stress probably count if I understand the guy correctly.
🙌🙌🙌🙌 I've just begun learning about trauma responses in the body and I've been shocked how similar the "symptoms" are to my ADHD. My parents were teenagers when they had me, got married because of me, and their marriage was rough but they've made it through, praise the Lord. I'm grateful for their perseverance, but as an adult I recognize that they were just kids themselves doing the best they could, dealing with their own traumas and lack of emotional maturity. I wouldn't change a thing though, because having separated parents would have been even more trauma to overcome.
this man has the most soothing voice I've ever heard.
I love how Joe says, "Yeah it tunes out." Bro wasn't absolutely tuned out at that moment.
Why would he be tuned out? He's a great interviewer and the topic is very interesting.
@@zyzzer he definitely looks like he would, a lot smarter than he looks
What podcast is this? I’m asking for a Friend
@@WantedMayhem the biggest podcast in the world.
@@zyzzer Joe Rogan is known for just not fact checking anything anyone says and just going along with whatever, and in more recent years, has been hosting increasingly destructive, anti science figures. The doctor here for instance is completely wrong about what ADHD is. ADHD has been proven to be something you're born with. That and people with ADHD are more likely to hyper fixate on a stressor and zone out when they're bored.
Bro right when he said difficulty sitting still I was spinning around in my chair 💀
Wow! You must have ADHD.
Lol
😄😄😄😄
This is the best explanation I have ever heard.
I'm afraid none of that happened to me.
Still have ADHD.
This pisses me off so much. It boils down a real struggle for a lot of people to just the environment, like it’s something that can be changed or prevented. 1) It’s absolutely something inherited, just like the color of someone’s eyes. 2) He’s describing dissociation which is common coping mechanism to stress and ptsd like another person has already pointed out. 3) ADHD is a lot more than just the inability to focus.
Misinformation like this can be really damaging for people who have ADHD, myself included.
Boohoo
Agreed
Thank you
The question is whether your grandparents had this . The answer is no then whom to blame.
@@Shiva-mh6td hear me out- no one asked
This makes sense. I spent my childhood just "freezing" living in my head...when at home became too stressful. Now as an adult I feel trapped with self internal distractions and over explore reality different for stimulus.
what is the episode number or who is the guest? I want to watch the full episode!
@@697_ Gabor Mate i think
what do you mean? so life was stressful when you started “freezing” or was it always there since you could remember?
Exactly what I did!!!
Doesn't matter he's wrong either way
I agree I have been working with children with these disorders for 40 years and I noticed the same thing.
I grew up in a home whit loving and very present parents, I have a medical diagnosed adhd and you're telling me it's because my parents wher stressing me out?🤨 yes your explanation makes sens and may cause the adhd symptoms for some people but others do have this problem. It's not "just pay attention" I physically can't, every noise every light everything that isn't predictable is gonna get my attention even if I don't want to🤦♂️ so no it's not my childhood that made me that way and if only you knew how much my parent tried to make me organize and focused you'd go insane😅
It also sounds like you truly think nobody understands you at all. When someone does
I disagree that it's only a coping mechanism & is definitely inheritable.
I have watched many different people who have said they have adhd and I just saw your comment about this, I am the same when it comes to distractions and even tho I didn’t have a good childhood doesnt mean I tune things out on purpose. Its been a hard road since being diagnosed medically and a disability since 2006. Keep strong 💪 and stay unique 😊
It's not possible to physically pay attention
@@Lena-cz6re i have adhd and with meditation mindfulness nuetral observer training etc etc i can pay attention fine now. Even went to some doctor and he declared me as no longer showing signs of adhd.
i love how he says adhd isnt real and then just... calls adhd by a different name. "no u dont have a mental illness, you have a bad coping skill! hope that helps 💖"
Yeah he is just playing semantics over the word disease while describing the pathology of a disease.
As if Stress and learnt maladaptive coping skills aren't well know to be the main sources of most mental illness. But actual science digs a little deeper than to stay at the abstract generalizations.
As if any mental health professional wouldn't recommend safe environments for children to grow up in and for patients to meditate, drink some tea and go for a walk. (Or any other relaxing activity and especially specifically mindfulness and destressing exercises and skills)
Exactly, people aren't realizing how harmful what he's saying is
@@estrajunkies fr he's like, "adhd isn't real sweaty💖 *proceeds to confuse inattentiveness with disassociation*"
he forgot to mention the part where you hyperfixate on other things with little to no choice. It's not just difficulty paying attention. It is so much more, and when you really have it, it can be hard to cope with
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
I do that too. It’s debilitating. And I don’t have ADHD. So?
This is a modern problem my parents were born in the 50s grandparents in the teens they say they knew no one with this so called adhd. Your generation is filled with weak minded idiots. Always playing the victim I'm sick bs grow a pair oh and mothers drinking and doing drugs while pregnant will really mess a babies mind that way yeah i can believe.
It’s not real. Only in the westernized world
@@GG-kn2se so like they said, you really don't have it.
These types of people piss me off so much! It is an actual disease people have. Different way the brain is structured. It’s not a matter of simply discipline your brain better. Executive functioning deficits are real. If you have never experienced it, you don’t know the struggle.
I can’t wait for Gabor and Peterson to have an intense mutual adult conversation
Peterson is a crying baby
That’s not true, I have ADHD, my parents have always been attentive and caring, and I still have to go through hell sometimes to function in what other people consider a normal way.
He believes conspiracys. Joe hate big pharma. But all the drugs HE likes is ok according to him
I don't think he meant this is the only cause of ADHD but I haven't watched the whole thing so I'm not sure. I have it, and this makes sense for me in a lot of ways
Vaccìnez!
I'm sure he means not just parents. Even just society is pretty traumatizing
I think while it might be true for a lot of people, the reasoning is wrong, he's comparing things by the outcome, like 1+1 and 3-1. The outcome for both is 2, but the way they got there is totally different. Don't know if this makes sense but this is how I see it.