Ultimate Budget Sim Racing Wheel - Logitech G923 vsThrustmaster T3000rs GT vs Fanatec CSL Elite
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Here is our comparison between the Logitech G923 vs Thrustmaster T3000rs GT vs Fanatec CSL Elite.
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This seems like a weird comparison, at least over here in New Zealand. The G923 is almost half the price of the T300 RS here, which is again almost half of the price of the CSL Elite.
UK pricing is closer to New Zealand as well
In Sweden it's the same except the g923 is pretty much the same price as a t300(non gt)
@@ryanvarns2970 where are you looking? Online the t300 is roughly the same as the g923 - 330.00. Maybe prices have dropped if you wanted to look again
@@axelode45 At that price point I would be looking at the T150/TMX pro-versions; comes in about 500kr cheaper than g923, has better drive-chain, comes with T3PA pedals and access to Thrustmaster's ecosystem.
Here in malaysia g923 is quite closely priced to t300rs... But csl is almot double that...
Something to keep in mind is that all three of these wheels come in at very different price points. We're talking hundreds of dollars in difference. I have a G29 (which is the same as 923 but even cheaper right now) and I have been blown away by how good it is for the money. SO if you came from like the cheap toy level racing wheels when you were a kid like I did, it is a perfect entry to see if you even like doing sim racing.
Same here I love my G29. I have around 1000hrs on it with zero wear and zero deterioration in performance. 500 hours of that was 100% force feed back play in Beam NG , Which has to be pretty dam hard on it.
I just don’t like how small the wheel is I need a full size one
Patiently going to wait on a similar comparison video on different seating rigs/solutions
8020 will grow with you. And it is as sturdy as it gets. Many lower end versions that you can just buy more pieces for later
If you don't have much space, I think playseat challenge is the best foldable solution out there.
Here in Mexico you can get the G923 for $225 USD, the T300 for $500 USD and the Fanatec is not even sold here. But privately it’s about $1,000 USD. So, there is no comparison on this wheels.
Same problem here in Brasil, there is no comparison possible since the T300 is almost double the price of the Logitech, and Fanatec does not even have official distributor and warranty here. I currently have a G29 and would love to upgrade to a T300 but its not even possible to consider price wise.
It's everywhere this comparasion is weird, its more like . What you get at diffrent price points.
İn Turkey its the same Thrustmaster more expensive then Logitech and Fanatech impossible to buy.
I got into sim racing back in March of 2020 when the world went into lockdown over the virus. I wasn't sure if I would really get into, and I started off with a cheap $75 wheel from Thrustmaster and playing Assetto Corsa (got a deal on it in Steam). But I found myself hooked on sim racing. But after 4 months, the cheap TM wheel broke. I got my $75 worth of fun out of it. But did some research and the RS300GT from Thrustmaster. I love the wheel and just took my sim racing to another level. Best $400 (with shipping) I ever spent for my sim racing.
I own a Logitech G29. I know it has its short comings but the thing I love is the top mounted securing system. I can slide this thing along my desk, into and out of position in a matter of seconds. Its not perfect but works great for me. I wish other wheel bases had this option.
T300rs does almost the same
@@TheAidil999 u wot m8, thrustmaster clamp is shit for ease of use compared to logitech, own thrustmaster tx (same wheel as 300 just for xbox nd 900°) and had logitech. That thrustmaster clamp is a joke, You absolutely need to grease threads and the bolt itself (wd40 worked fine for me),if you dont grease it u cant even tighten it properly, good luck playing rally games with unsecure clamp... Saying u decided to greace it up a bit, well when you gonna want to losen it up a bit and move it to a corner of a desk, thats cool, next time you will want to clamp it, its gonna spin on you, wiggle side to side till you tighten it up in its place. Both clamps are shit, but I would go back to logitech clamp system.
But you have to watch all the time at those fragile wires to not destroy them. Mounting often is not reliable anyway no matter the product. The solution is mounting it once on a stand and move that stand in and out of your desk.
I currently have t300rs I'm probably going to upgrade it to csl DD when it comes out
I have a g27 and im going to do the same!
Tbh DD wheel is no no when using on desk
@@od13166 Im not going to buy the upgraded power supply. and my desk is sturdy
@@od13166 well I'm planning to build rig first
@@vjollila96 how much is the csl dd
I went from a g27 to g29. I was very unimpressed with the “upgrade”. It felt like the same wheel with even the same dead zone int the center. I bit the bullet abd got a csl elite with the pedals. Changed my sim world experience overnight. The base force feed back is not even close to these other two. The csl kills it. There’s almost no dead zone in wheel unlike Logitech’s. And the force feed is almost unexplainable, you feel every little detail and I find it much easier to catch slides before u enter a spin. But the biggest improvement came from the break pedal. I hated those drivers who would outbreak you and be under you before you got to a corner but now I understand why. Finding the hardest pressure you can apply while not locking up tires is rather easy with fanatec. I felt like on my Logitech it was a guessing game. Overall your times won’t change much from the wheel over the others but your love it more and spin a lot less, the real time you pick up on track is from the pedals. 3x the price 10x the upgrade value. If you can afford it and are thinking about it. Get it.
Did you get the load cell pedals for the CSL?
@@tylerblake3596 I did not. I got outta gt racing kinda fast and didn’t have need for it on ovals. The foam does a incredible job of giving you progressive pressure so if your casual or an oval racer is still far better than and Logitech pedal. If u heavy break then the load cell would pay its self off pretty easily. I preordered the new csl dd and will be ordering a set of their v3 pedals for that wheel just because I want the load cell in the break. After over a year with the csl pedals I’m really for an upgrade. Same advise. If you can afford it and want it you won’t regret it and im sure you’re notice the difference instantly.
@@MikeHoncho24ever gotcha. I’ve had my g29 for a little while and am considering getting something else. Was looking at the CSL elite but they’re impossible to find now. Also kind of just wanted to upgrade pedals first and load cell is essential for me as I do mostly circuit racing with GT cars. Now I just need to figure out if I should do a mod for my g29 pedals or just upgrade... was considering the CSL elite LC’s
@@tylerblake3596 they are heavy and very well built with almost no plastic. Get the usb connector and you can use them with any wheel. Fanatec have also announced a even cheaper version with load cell option. Might be worth waiting for
I got into sim racing back in the mid 2000's. I had a G25 and the G27 and the original fanatec wheel had only came out when i had to move and therefore didnt have space for my rig so i basically gave up on that stuff. Recently i'm getting the urge to get back into it, and the G29 seems just like the G25 but with some extra buttons. Pretty bloody underwhelming.
On the other hand, the new fanatec stuff looks next level compared to what was around in 2010. But god damn, that shit is expensive! Here in aus, for wheel, base, and pedals is over $2k! that's nuts. But i got no choice, i have to start saving up for it
*since the g25
Me: still uses Driving Force GT😂
wii mote wheel
Still using dfgt
The magnet shifter mod for logitech wheels is a brilliant little gadget.
Cheap as chips too
Could you explain to me what that is? I am new to sim racing.
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@@j.silverglade4250 it adds magnets to the shifter that makes them feel more tactile and better
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Amazing video! Thank you!
Thanks for sharing this comparison!
The mounting clamp on the G series are good when you know how to do it and not over tighting it.I have a g27 that not move compare to the t300. You need at least 2,5-3cm thickness to clamp it right.They added rubber pads on this one apparently,maybe that reduce the minimum thickness.When using a wood box to prevent the pedals moving,the thrustmater one flip over on heavy breaking.The logitech don't flip over.The "loose" center by default on the T300 is a bit confusing to do very little movements steering/counter-steering.A dead zone on the g923 will come over time,cause it's still dual motor from my expectation,maybe i'm wrong.
Yes, it is better and more reliable than Thrustmaster version (I had both). This dude is biased or has no clue. I bet for first one since he did not correctly mounted G923.
Just so you know you can use your Logitech wheels with other companies pedals and shifters you just have to calibrate accordingly in games.
Fanatec aren't really availible in my country so the prices of the few units you can get are sky high. That's why I think I'll go with thrustmaster.
Nice set up. Been putting off buying any wheel and probably will go with a Logitech wheel if I can get one on sale. Really do like Fanatec but the next one up from the CSL.
Am I the only one that noted you wrote T3000 instead of T300 everywhere on the video title/descriptions? xD Great video!
"These wheels are all within the same price range about 400 USD"....mentioned on TH-cam. The real price: The CSL Elite as shown in the video 699 USD, the Logitech G923 is 367 USD for PS5/4 and 243 USD for Xbox One, the Thrustmaster T300 RS is 399 USD. So this video is about 2/3 correct. However, the TH-camr scalping is real on that CSL Elite. Same thing happens in any collective hobby, TH-camr talks about it, price goes up.
I think it's not only about marketing, CSL Elite generates 6nm compared to 3nm from T300. Also it's 30mm diameter instead of 28mm, more precise, revlights.. etc.
i bought my brand new g29 for about 350$, and my t300RS gt edition for 299$, both from amazon via official seller. this was just under a year ago, which is suprising.
Budget sim racing wheel, compares a 350$ wheel to a 499$ wheel to a 569$ wheel ok bud
Btw in amozon they have the Logitech G920 it's like $215 usd
The pedals are extra on the fanatec too.
So what? I have resources to get all of them but I don't know if I want to spend so much on a wheel. This, together with different videos, showed me that the Logitech is not an option despite being the cheapest and I'll probably go with the TM 300RS.
@@Ricback2 and what about people who dont have the resources and are on a BUDGET 3 WEEKS OF PAY is not a BUDGET if its budget look at 100- 250$ ones not 350-600$
@@bik3r230 Sim racing is kinda ... not a cheap sport. It's like searching for "budget model rocketry", well rocket's aint cheap. Sim racing ain't cheap either if you really want it to fulfill the "Sim" part of Sim racing.
100-200$ wheel for sim racing is kinda not ... sim racing. They're just wheels with potentiometer and buttons, kinda unreliable, and they're not really simulating anything really. Kinda breaks the whole idea of being a "sim" and it's difficult to decide which wheel from the $100 range is better, because they're all kinda really cheapy for this kind of sport and do not compete much on anything.
Just to give you an idea, the wheels at $300 budget range have feedback that simulate the real feel of driving a car. It's what makes this a sim racing, and not just playing NFS in your xbox 360 controller.
The low budget market in sim racing is $300-600, and on mid budget it can go as high as $2.000-10.000. It's not a cheap sport. If you just want a wheel to turn, go for $100-200 range, nothing wrong with that. But it's not really sim racing. It's more of an arcade gaming.
Would love a fanatec wheel but every time i look up they are sold out. Had a preorder hanging for over 6months overdue before i gave up at one point.
And even in europe the fanatec price is like 2,5 times the T300, soo yeah hmm.
Yeah, after they stopped boundle csl kit which was like 500$, they did wheel base (400), wheel (250), and pedals (100). Absolute scam. T300rs is 2.5 times cheaper, and not that worse tbh, maybe pedals are a little bit worse.
is the Fanatec really a 'budget sim racing wheel' tho? Compared to their other offerings I'd say yes but not compared to the wheels in this video.
I just bought the Thrustmaster T300RS GT. It's my first wheel, and I'm looking forward to giving it a spin.
thoughts? pros and cons
It’s great I love it. Has strong force feedback so you have to tone it down. It’s sturdy doesn’t feel cheap at all. I don’t have anything bad to say as it’s my first wheel
@@Kyrious any bad new now? Thinking of buying it
@@dylansmith7219 i have the Tx , which is the equivalent of the T300 , even the firmware is the same for this two! The difference is one for PC/PS4 , the other is for PC/XBOX . I ended up getting the Sparco P310 Gt wheel add on and first upgraded the pedals to one with clutch then replaced it with TLCM load cell . The later really makes the difference ! Game changer if you ask me! But as a base , the TX or T300 is solid ! I have one for over 7 years and never had a problem with it! On earlier firmware , couple tx burned .The fan only turned on when the motor reached certain temperature. With later update you could force the fan to keep it on all times. I had a Logitech wingman and a Moomo to compare, they are gear driven , they fall Short .
Owned a t300 and the 923. But I feel I upgraded when I went to the csl and I’m happy. I play on ps5 and the option to adjust the settings on the wheel is legit really can dial in games.
@Tuna No Crust between t300 and 923 which did you like better?
@@MrLaptopus if I were to think now about it... I still miss the 923 tbh. Was thinking about buying another one lolzz
Hi, I heard the thrustmaster t300/TX is not very reliable, does it still work after a long time?
so i have used the Logitech G920 wheel for a while, 3 years or so i think, and i recently upgraded to the CSL Elite wheel with the nascar wheel, i use it primarily on iracing, not much else but i run alot of things on iracing, dirt oval, asphalt oval, and some road course stuff, i used the Logitech for a while, and i was frequently uncomfortable on the wheel, in almost everything i raced i could never just jump in and race, i always had to spend huge amounts of time messing with settings and other things, also to add on i could just never ever get used to the break pedal, but ill talk more about that later.
The Logitech wheel has a weird design its not round its got the bevels and me being a guy with large palms and very short fingers, i was never comfortable unless my hands were 50/50 and that made any form of oval stuff a tremendous pain in the ass, because i had to mess with steering ratio's and offsets every time i raced.
One quick positive though, the wheel was incredible on F1 2018-2019! that was until the right paddle stopped working
Eventually i found a resolution to my issues with the wheel itself, i managed to find a 14 inch MPI racing wheel for a cheep price, and i purchased the Steel adapter from the MPI website, and what a difference that made but, it came at a sacrifice, because i had to murder my wheel to use it, essentially had to take the wheel off down to the base, i was able to use a few buttons still on the wheel but i ended up getting a button box to solve my issue and that added about 2 pounds of weight to the wheel which made it much feel much more solid, i was never a fan of the way the FFB worked on the logitch wheel either so when i got the mpi i only used it a small amount, but over about 6 months of use the wheel developed alot of play, just from wear and tear, and the MPI mod i made to it just sped up the process.
Now i want to touch on the pedals, the pedals suck, and theres no other way to out it, after alot of trial and error i decided to just individually solid mound the pedals and that helped for a bit, but i still just struggled with applying the breaks, eventually i decided to build myself a hanging pedal bracket and initally it was awesome but i realized that the break pedal itself is just junk, so i migrated to using the clutch pedal for breaks and it was a HUGE improvement, but as the play in the wheel got worse and worse i got an opportunity to buy a CSL Elite with pedals and a racing wheel from my friend for $350 and i have nothing but incredible things to say about this wheel, it has improved my iracing experience tenfold! The pedals are nicer, the wheel is nicer to hold, the feel in general is more responsive, more customizable, and just better in general! i recommend Fanitech to anyone who plans on racing alot
MW Tech, what is the name of the material you used for your base to mount the seat and everything off of? it looks very modular and I love the clean look of it!
Thrustmaster ts-xw is also great from what i hear, might upgrade my t300 to that one at some point. T300 is definitely a great buy for a first wheel.
its great, more lively more definded... It just way better engineered t300
I have the tmx. Should I upgrade to tx/t300 or save up for the ts-xw. Or scratch that completely and go to fanatec csl?
@@SnD340 i went for the ts-xw, and i really like it. It feels like a t300 on steroids basically. Very similiar feeling, but faster, stronger, more responsive, and more precise. I can definitely recommend this wheel, if you like the feeling of thrustmaster force feedback. As for what to go for in your shoes, i can't say for sure. I would probably go for a bigger upgrade, so ts-xw, or csl dd. T300 is also a great wheel, don't get that wrong. Csl dd will be the most expensive, but also probably will give you the best force feedback. Definitely get the stronger power supply, if you go for csl dd. For me, i'm very happy with the ts-xw, and don't see needing an upgrade anytime soon. Also one thing to consider is pedals. I use the t-lcm load cell pedals, and they were a huge upgrade from the t-3pa pedals. Load cell brake opens alot of lap time, since you can be way more precise, and consistent with your braking.
@@NWA_1919 thank you for this, do you know if fanatec csl works with thrustmaster pedals and shifter?
Plus side to that is you can find ts xw or ts pc servo base's in the 400 dollar range if you already have thrustmaster wheels and pedals. Another plus is sim racing gear seems to hold its value quite well. I see g29's and t150's listed at 70-80% of the brand new price. There's is a lot of good deals out there if you look and wait patiently.
I got lucky with mine, found a t300rs with conquer cockpit, It was listed for 300 then lowered to 250 so jumped on it. I see similar set up going for double that. I found a set of tlcm pedals for 179 on amazon open box and then got fanatec shifter which was the most expensive thing I got actually lol.
If I happen to find a fanatec elite, fanatec csw 2.5 or even a t gt base come up for sale for a good price IL jump on it but if not I will eventually upgrade to a fanatec csl elite dd pro for ps4. Maybe some other affordable dd bases will come out before then bit for now my t300 is great. Definitely a superior wheel to any logitech.
This video is hella professional bro. Congrats!
Amazing review, hard to find a video so complete and honest...
Great video. This reflects just about everything I have read about each of these wheels. Of the 3, I want the CSL. I already have a set of CSL pedals with the loadcell brake kit. Great pedals! But I am not so keen on spending $600 for the current CSL base and wheel combinations from Fanatec. Even though the Porsche steering wheel is nice and bundled with the wheel base, its a good deal. I just think the price is a little too high for my comfort. I guess spending an additional $150 for a CSW and the rally wheel as a starter rim.
I went from the g29 to the CSL Elite last fall (Black Friday to be exact). Firstly - I managed to sell my g29 for just less than I bought it for (got it in a very good sale) - so you should consider whether you can get money for your old wheel (100-ish?). The upgrade is amazing and the proof for me is that in the previous year I'd probably played 60 hours of AC. Since last fall - say 6 months - I have played over 5 times that in AMS2 and Raceroom. The CSL Elite is mounted on my original GTOmega wheel stand - so your current mounting will likely still work - no need for a very expensive mounting solution like you would if going with a DD wheel. My racing skills have improved massively and my enjoyment has gone through the roof. Yes it's quite expensive, but amazing bang-for-buck. I went with the P1 wheel for greatest versatility (I play Truck Simulator and Dirt Rally games, too.) I play in VR so I don't care whether the wheel 'looks right' as I can't see it anyway :) I love it.
I never had any of the thrustmaster or logitech wheels. But my csl is insanely good. The power is frankly scary and should be more than enough for anyone(the first time you test it it's like the exorcist possessed the wheel.) and the force feedback is so deep and subtle. It's brilliant. The pedals are good I agree, but I actually think you could probably just get the thurstmaster pedals instead, so long as you got the CSL wheel. The wheel is the crucial part.
(I also ended up getting the shifter and handbrake, that's who impressed I am by the quality of Fanatec's stuff. It all has that lovely weight thing where it feels expensive because it's so heavy and all the materials are made of steel and are rock solid.)
Very informative
Great review. But as the T300 goes, a drive hub from Collective minds will make it compatible with both xbox and playstation.
You’re going to get better performance with the Thrustmaster.. but keep in mind it’s a belt system , so with many hours of use there is a chance that it may run you problems. For example my T300 will give out its force feedback randomly at times, I read online that it could be the motor giving out. Not to mention the shifter is $250 if you’re going with thrust. Logitech G923 you’re going to get a quality wheel that will last , and they fixed the brakes from the G920 so they’re not bad at all now with a proper setup.
Hi, I heard the thrustmaster t300/TX is not very reliable, does it still work after a long time?
@@KMZOFF No. I've had to replace the wheelbase on mine twice in a year. Sold that piece of junk and bought the G923. If it's anything like my old G27 it'll last basically as long as you want to use it, they're bulletproof to the nth. Value is based just as much on durability as to what you pay. You get what you pay for in a good way with Logitech and a bad way with the Thrustmaster.
@@dragon2knight ok thanks for the advice i will send it back
Idk if I trust him with how he drives lmfao
I was thinking the same thing haha. How did this guy get all this stuff to review, it doesn't seem like he is really an expert at sim racing. My sister is faster than him on my sim and she is barely on it, I wish I was joking 😂
Great comparison 👏
I have a g29 it’s pretty amazing the only thing is the brake is pretty stiff but I can’t complain too much it crushes my old thrust master 458 wheel that didn’t even have ffb
In my country the Thrustmaster wheels are ALL 4x the price of the logitech ones 😮
Here in Portugal, seems like we get cheaper logitech components while thrustmaster is definitely pricier.
Heck, when the G29 launched i waited a few months on black friday i got the wheel for 225 euros(265USD), shifter 50 euros(59USD).
The logitech T300rs stayed at the same price 399 euros(470USD) pretty much until about 2 years ago where it finally had a price drop. Oh and black friday was a joke, it always remained at the same price despite black friday. And that was the basic T300rs with the pedals without clutch. The one with clutch was 100 euros(118USD) more. And the thrustmaster shifter was 149euros(176USD).
Which means, the G29 which comes with clutch and the added shifter i paid 275 euros(207USD)
If i wanted the same equipments but from thrustmaster i would have paid 648 euros(765,77USD)
That's more than triple the price. And before buying it i heard people complaining about loose force feedback when hot, problems with the wheel while logitech just seemed solid. Had a Logitech Formula Force EX which served me really well and was very pleased about the quality.
So, in 2016 in black friday i saw a G29 at a reasonable good price and i just couldn't help it, limited offer too. After a lot of research and talking to people online, which i still have nightmares about fanboysm i settled with the G29 and never had a singke problem whatsoever with the wheel and pedals. I did have problems with the shifter but a warranty of 2 years, logitech were forced to give me a new one to a defect.
I was extremely happy with my purchase back then and the expression bang for your buck certainly applies here. Hell, i have a feeling this thing will survive 50 years with everyday use.
275 x 3 = 825
These wheels are all at completely different levels
G920 user here, have to say that the gear driven logitech wheels just do not cut it. You will be left wanting more, it's a good wheel to learn on but it is not a satisfactory lifetime use wheel IMO. The steering is not smooth really at all and, again in my opinion feels nothing like a real car (purely in terms of smoothness) The force feedback and response is good, it's just that one thing that leaves me not being able to recommend this to anyone. I can't comment on trueforce though, everything else about the wheel mechanically is the same as the g920. Oh, and the logitech gaming software is probably the biggest tech nightmare I've ever had to deal with. It barely works.
Why? The software seems perfectly fine to me.
@@mikeyyyy8726 It never worked for me. Could hardly get the wheel to work at all in half the games I have, and setting a custom rotation setting virtually never worked which made doing arcade emulation impossible. Eventually it did iron out though, last time I used the wheel the software worked fine.
@@ZakFR Oh that's weird, I've never had this issue. Although I've only just recently bought this wheel (like 5 months ago) so maybe (and hopefully) those issues were fixed recently in an update or something.
@@mikeyyyy8726 That's good, hope you don't have any issues down the line. It is likely they fixed a bunch of stuff cause it had been a while since I had any problems, but I figured it was cause I started just sticking to 1 or 2 sims
@@ZakFR Thanks mate, I’m glad that you’re not experiencing any more problems and can hopefully enjoy sim racing even more now. Hopefully Logitech keeps improving the software in the future without anymore problems. 🙌
I have owned G29, T300RS and Fanatec Clubsport 2.5. Thrustmaster wins. I went from G29 to Clubsport but had to have the clubsport wheel replaced within a month then the base repaired a month after that......so poor quality. Then got the T300RS and has been great. Also the constant beta firmware updates with fanatec that are recommended drive me crazy. T300RS I installed once and never look back. G29 was good entry level but noisy and weak. I have kept the CSL pedals with loadcell though which can work with T300RS via USB.
Perfect thanks, I have that combination (t300- and csl pedals with loadcell) and I was thinking of going to fanatec csl wheel...
Tha nis for your experience...
@@noestoydebroma No problem. I hope my experience doesn't deprive you from a 'better wheel' this was just my very bad experience with Fanatec. I watch some of the reviews of the new CSL DD and people put sooo much hype into them. It's as if they want Fanatec to love them and send them free stuff. You can't 'feel individual bits of gravel' even in a real car😄. Still got my T300RS and will keep until it blows up.
great Video what is your rig made out of, i would love to make that.
Wondering what is the rig used at 3:47… looking for something like this with a seat to mount the gear that can be used with a console and tv. Ideally it can be folded away
Thank you for this! Great video
2:50 are we not going to talk about how he hit every single car on the road
its very sad that logitech decided to upgrade their G29 to G923 with so little changes, they could do better
Nah the trueforce is the main difference which he fails to mention. It’s not supported by all games but those that do you get a much more immersive feeling from the wheel. You can literally feel the engine vibrate when you rev the car. It’s pretty significant but I assume he didn’t play any game that supports trueforce and then obviously it doesn’t feel different from a g920…
have 2 g29 and they do the job just awesome
double as fast?
Not sure about other places but here in Aus the Fanatec CSL Elite is $500 but that's just the base and dose not include the wheel or pedals and the T300rs GT is $700 with the G923 the cheapest of all at $540
Very helpful. I want to get into this realm at some point. My girl is nervous to learn manual, would be cool to get her feet wet with sim driving first
u can buy a shitbox car for the same price to learn in
I have a G27 that I used for GT5 & GT6 back in the PS3. I tried the old T500RS a while back, and since then I've always wanted to get a Thrustmaster wheel. Now that I have a PS5 and I'm waiting for GT7, I don't know if I should go for the T300RS now and risk being a gen behind if Thrustmaster releases a new wheel alongside of GT7, or if should wait and see and in the meantime buy a G923 to play GT Sport (here in Mexico the G923 is about 40% of the price of the T300RS GT kit).
What I really want to do is just buy a T300 right now, and be done with it, but the price and the fact that a new gen is here is making me doubt if I should.
You only live once
Well done sir!… question on the T300 with the P310… does it work in the PS3? Online documentation says T300 is compatible but the Sparco wheel does not…
t300 works on ps3. p310 is just wheel change, so yes, also works
It's funny the t300 has less torque yet when using them side by side it doesn't feel like only half haha
I get my first wheel setup a month ago. before that I first try friend's thrustmaster and then logitech g923. thrustmaster has more hard ffb. my times of dirt 2.0 with thrustmaster is a little better. but nothing can compare with the real feelings of logitech trueforce.. so i go on with logitech myself.
i own the G29 its pretty good for the price but if i had to buy a new one i would go for the Thrustmaster T300rs
When do you feel you "need" more than an entry level like T3000rs? Like how do I know if I want to invest in T3000 vs Fanatec? If I don't want to compete in some serious events does it still make a difference on the experience if I get T3000 instead of CSL? Is it like with 240hz display for top CSGO gamers vs noobs who even can't hit you in slowmo? :P
You need a new wheel rim for xbox compatiblity something to bear in mind..
I think I'd get a used Logitech Drive Force GT and save up for a direct drive set up before I'd spend $350 for the G923
I would probably just get a g923 and if i like sim experience enough then i'll just upgrade straight to direct drive system, kinda pointless to go for "entry level" belt system when you know you'll want more.
My thoughts exactly. I'm getting consistent training on G923 then going full on DD + load cells + new rig
Honestly bro people who just say don’t get a G923 are literally people who probably have never touched one and owned a G29. I’ve tried both and the G29 goes so numb after a while and the G923 can last much longer and now in 2023 it’s available on much more games but if you want a less expensive set go for the G920 it’s really the same thing without true force
How did you attach GT Omega to SimLab? Do you have a seat slider?
Couldn’t finish the video. The way you pronounce fanatec makes my hair stand on end lol
i really wish they didnt keep theflat bottom on the g923
Is the Logitech still good if I want to just enjoy a different aspect to racing and not take it too seriously
Yes, very. The wheel is a little small for my taste but it's a fantastic all-rounder.
I am still deciding between the T248 or the G923 for the Xbox Series X... which one is better and lasts longer??
Seems a little unfair to review a Trueforce wheel without actually playing a Trueforce game (such as Snowrunner or Grid).
The G923 simulates the actual engine vibration on Trueforce games by analysing the engine note. Food for thought perhaps? 😎
True force is a gimmick and grid isn't really a sim and you'll usually find a controller to be quicker
No one cares about those arcade games anyway
@@AbizW97 *slow clap*
@@AbizW97 At the time.of typing this, Trueforce has now been added to Dirt 2, Euro Truck Simulator 2 and ACC. This isn't going away, this is gaining traction.
@@GrandpaGoesGaming Who cares about some nice true-something technology when you are driving 1nm wheel with 0 power?
what pedals and wheel base do you use and does the base come with the wheel
Which one is better for the beginning? Logitech 923 or Thrustmaster T300 RS GT? My English is not so good :D
10:32 I thought he was racing and got me confused as to wtf was that clutch foot doing, I just realized it's just him pressing on the pedals to show it to us
Subscribed, BTW
Great video, What game is being played at 3:32? looks good
looks like dirt rally
The driving from 9:08 kills me 😂
The g923 has been the same since the G25 even earlier than the g27!
They are bulletproof. I only upgraded because they stopped supporting the G25 in the new g-suite
They're not great anymore tbh, especially with how good DD wheels are and fairly affordable with the CSL DD
Your affordable is different from others, I just got off the website before reading this and the cheapest setup is like 700 with the wheel and base no pedals.. vs like 250
Tx/300 is listed as 3.9 NM.
The t150/tmx is listed at 2.5 NM and the newer t248 lands in between at 3.5 NM
The Logitech is 3 NM though
Hi, I heard the thrustmaster t300/TX is not very reliable, does it still work after a long time?
@@KMZOFF Ive had my tx for over two years. Nearly daily use the entire time. It comes with a full replacement/repair warranty that lasts a year. Never needed to take advantage of it. Great wheel
@@keithnelson4511 thank you, that reassures me! , I bought a tx racing it's my first steering wheel I hope I never have a problem 😁🤞
@@keithnelson4511 what do you have now in wheels
@@KMZOFF I'm sure people have had bad luck with one here or there but it's actually the most popular and commonly used servo(300) for esports pros. Or so I've read
I want to upgrade to a belt drive, probably the t300, its justcway better for drifting, and way quieter and less clunky. The only problem is its more expensive but the belt drift and quick release make it way more worth it than a g29 with a shifter and handbrake. Just the wheel and the pedals themselves are a better deal.
I have the g923 and it tightens up perfectly on my desk, if i pulled the wheel it would just pull the entire desk over, I don’t have any of the looseness that you seem to have in this video.
Seriously, I've never had any issues with the clamps coming loose on my G923, G27 or the much older G25. Solid mounts here. My guess is the reviewer hates Logitech and couldn't help trying to make it look bad against much more expensive wheels. I will NOT be subbing here.
You should remake this video since the csl elite isn't sold anymore
It's kinda sad cause trying to get a Fanatec CSL elite pro is so hard in New Zealand
Hi, I heard the thrustmaster t300/TX is not very reliable, does it still work after a long time? Thanks ( sorry for my english im french 😅)
T300 is very much worth it and very reliable
Using it since 2021 March
I'm still using my driving force gt lol. It gets me wins. But I did just buy a t300gt. Should be here monday!
My G29 has never come loose on me during a long session.
This comparison video is like comparing a vauxhall corsa to a Lamborghini aventador
can we change degree of rotation on g923 now? they removed this feature on the g29 wheel that was stupid.-
I was looking for the fanatic csl elite but I can’t figure out if it has been discontinued or if it’s just out of stock. If someone knows I’d appreciate it if you explained thanks
Discontinued
Great review and very well paced. Well organized with a lot of the information that I was looking for. If I didn't hear something I was wondering, I just had to wait and you certainly addressed it. Gonna shoot for a CLS Elite based on your review. (Small critique: when using comparative language, choose either "more hefty" or "heftier," rather than "more heftier." Teacher in me couldn't help it!) Great video and looking forward to more content. =)
It is T3HUNDRED not T3THOUSAND - you need to change the description of your video.
P.S. Good video thanks...
So does the fanatec support both xbox and PS
What is the T300 substitute that can be played on XBOX? I m looking for the same mechanizm. Thrustmaster TX has the same mechanizm or inferior?
It's fanatic but spelled fanatec! We're did you get fan attack from? You new?
What about the Thrustmaster TS-XW? Thinking on buying that instead of buying a t300 and then using more money by upgrading later...
Most of the links are to not available products. Not your fault, but, I would put alternative links to other stores, or other sellers.
Wtf was that intro lol
Dude had my head spinning lmfao
pushed me over the edge to get the t300
I’ve narrowed down to Thrustmaster. So help me out, T300 RS or T248? There is only a $50 price difference right now so I want the best of the two.
Hi, I heard the thrustmaster t300/TX is not very reliable, does it still work after a long time?
g923 +shifter in Poland new 277 USD with superb Brake pedal .
T300 with shifter 552 USD without pedal upgrade to better than g923
Fanatec hard to get in Europe ,Just the base is more expensive than t300.
After owning G27 , would like an upgrade .Would try T300 but still way more expensive and does not have the great pedals.Then heard about fanatec ,but boy for the extra money for fanatec without clutch and shifter I could have a nice 5.1 Home Cinema (great upgrade for more realism )
I think if you looking for good most budget wheel as sim wheel etc , also for drifting , shifter and clutch is a must ,seems you cant find cheaper wheel for that price and purpose .
Only worth mentioning is what sometimes can be a problem ,when using G series late nights or when share a room with somebody ,they can be really loud .
Especially when using strong FF (lot of people dont like high FF) or drifting on 900* .
Fanatec is for fanatics that use them all the time ,especially in sims and dont mind spending a lot money for sim rig .
If you new to virtual racing ,I would suggest try cheaper wheel and see if you will get into it .But if go from controller ,or mouse racing ,you will end up for relative cheap money totally in new world .
You wont regret G series .Thrustmaster also .
I would keep away from used wheels .Only from good source or from somebody you know.
Anyways If you want better experience from g29 the price to experience is getting really high
Hi, I heard the thrustmaster t300/TX is not very reliable, does it still work after a long time?
Which do u think is better t300 or the csl elite
Does the thrustmaster work on the ps5?
just a heads up
your title says T3000 not T300
fix it before some dipshit comes and whines about it, we dont want that
anyway
the review was really nice and detailed, thx for this
whats the name of the racing seat frame??
I think you should do a review of two devices at a time. Makes it confusing and hard to keep up with which one your talking about for three
In the Netherlands you pay for the CSL Elite around 500 euro's, and that is without pedals. I can't call that a budget racing wheel.
The Logitech Wingman Formula Gp is one of the best steering wheels of all time 💯👌🏽don’t @ me
Is the fanatech notchy like the T300?
I bought a T300 and hate that I can feel every tooth gear during its FFB. Is the CSL any better?
Its entirely belt driven. You aren't feely any gears because that doesn't exist.
talking straight out your ass yes
@@Wylie288 actually if you research you’ll find out the belts actually have teeth, as well as the cog gears which drive the belts do as well….
Thrustmaster T300 + Wheel Stand Pro V2 + IKEA Poäng♥️
And no place for shifter 🙃
Just bought the Thrustmaster T300RS GT for PC and it won't work on Steam! Tried everything and the Steam controller input won't recognize it, so no Steam games are playable with the wheel. Windows and Oculus both recognize it, but not Steam. Very frustrating because most cool racing games are on Steam! Am returning the wheel for this reason. Would love to get a list of Steam-compatible wheels before I buy another.