VW ID5 GTX range test (almost) gone wrong
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Your tests are the most transparent ones because your show every metric and the livestreams. This build a high trust in you and shows for a lot of people a very accurate result for every brand from Audi to BMW to Tesla. It‘s a pleasure to watch your tests. You make the tests how id should be done.🇨🇭 Grz
Totally agree. Most of the car youtubers are doing just regular reviews and saying wltp range as the range you actually get from the car. They have no car knowledge and i am fed up of them. Thanks god for bjorn. I am just waiting when he will test new mg5 ev or mg zs ev long range and based on bjorn tests i will decide if i buy it or no.
Really appreciate the effort to give consistent and real information as no other delivers, not only in YT, but also in written formats. Your passion for what you do is really useful but also enjoyable for too many people that supports your work. thanks!!
This Id5 is going to be demanding...
That's disconcerting that the car doesn't tell you something is wrong. The module could short and the owner would have no warning beforehand until the car is on fire. VW better fix that. It should be a simple software update.
The BMS will eventually warn the driver once the cells drop under maximum tolerance. Sometimes all they need is a complete cell balancing
Maybe the BMS just shuts the module off so it doesn't do anything. That doesn't mean it's going to explode or anything, it may just not have a connection to some of the cells.
The system checks itself and doesn’t let you unpark if it thinks anything is wrong
Good job Bjorn! Another great video. Been following you for quite a while. Keep on rockin' ;) Greetings from tiny Luxembourg.
I really like the audio test, since the music is great
Bigger the number the more it cost! Good video. Id5 does it have a heat pump for the battery?
Thanks Bjorn!
I love your references " same same... but different "
You can actually get a plug & play subwoofer kit for the ID4, it probably will fit the ID5 too.
I had the same problem with my e-Up. Range dropped crazy when SOC was under 25%. First, the dealer told me, that electric cars consume more than most people expect and there was a lot of back and forth emailing. At the end, I measurend the cell voltage and showed them that one cell is 0.5V off. Then VW replaced the battery. But most people dont have that skill or think, that the dealer is right.
What device make, model, price are you using to check voltage at the cell level?
I think that with the new 3.1 version which should be installed by default on your ID5 you have new views for the screen behind the wheel, you can display the consomption values.
I think that 3.1 is not officially in the cars yet. At our dealership we have ID.5 GTX and it has 3.0, even our preproduction ID. buzz has 3.0
19:58 same class different object 😅 objet oriented for the win
Sad. The old Tiguans had DynaAudio systems back when VAG was using them in everything including the Veyron. That was the best factory system in their cars I've heard, I remember they also had a system in the s80 v8. The really lows were lacking still tho as those cars didn't have subs. I'm sure if they DSP corrected the speakers better it wouldn't sound so bad, Helix managed to make the factory system in the Golf sound so much better with only a new amp and sub addition.
I think all VW's lack bass and clarity. But after EQ it actually sounds decent.
The lorries at the chargers is really unusually to me. I thought that those were ICE lorries blocking the chargers first. Good on Norway! But still not ideal as these trucks stick out of the bays at the back. Will probably need dedicated charging spaces for lorries.
Good work!! Do you know why the wheels are different front to back??
Scary that you saw faulty batteries in the cars that you just drove, this is not even a large sample.
To be fair Bjorn has driven probably 200 EVs now but it's a good thing they have a warranty!
You should do videos about Hi-Fi systems for cars as well. Think it would be as interesting as your EV videos :-)
Hi Bjørn, could you post a app store link of the app you used in the video?
Hallo Ninja Bjørn
Would the AVILOO you saw on the EV convention, find out about the battery failure.?
How the hell should he know that??
That would be very interesting to test.
Set up the same "Maximum energy content of the tracton battery" on my id.3 and I get 55450 Wh - is this a good number?
Hi Bjorn do you know how much range the ds3 electric have?
How was the handshake with plug and charge?
I actually wondered why the range reported in the beginning was only 365 something km 😲
@0:32 It's actually a wing. A wing has airflow on both sides, a spoiler only on one side.
And VW just stopped production of ID Buzz because of battery problem... As always great video Bjorn!
Nice video, as per usual. Any plans to visit Wolfsburg?
No
@@bjornnyland I love those quick and good answers, no N O N like D O N , can be also nein N I N or a Putine answer: niet N E T ;-)
Is there an error in the shiiiet with the 75 % range of the ID5 GTX? It's higher than the MYP, despite consumption being higher and battery being a tiny bit smaller?
TBTP for the win! 👍
I actually have the battery issue with my id3. It has been there for a long time and at the beginning there was no error message however I noticed that the range would drop appr. 50km when I entered the car. I then started to get an error message when I fast charged the car however it was only an error stating that there was an electrical error and an should contact the shop. It disappeared after appr. 50km and the came back when I fast charged. I called the shop and they tested the car but since it was a periodical error they couldn’t find anything. Or maybe they didn’t have the knowledge or the tools maybe? After a few weeks the error came back when I charged at home and then they acknowledged that there were 2 of the batteries that were defective. I am still waiting to get it back. I have waited 2 weeks now and they estimated 4 weeks :-/
Hope it will stay at the 4 weeks! Will get a replacement battery? Or will you recieve a sparepart batterie during the time till your batterie will be fixed.
This freaks me out; my wife is getting an ID4 soon and I’d hate this type of hassle. I was hoping she’d go for a model y and avoid legacy brand “service” as I’d imagine if there’s something wrong we’ll have an awful time getting it sorted with the dealer as dealers in Ireland aren’t great when it comes to technical service issues. My experience with Tesla however has been amazing and one of the main reasons I wanted my wife to avoid legacy auto makers. Toyota /Lexus are the exception but my experience of the German legacy brands when problems arise is poor across all the brands.
At this stage I don’t know if they repair or replace. It’s off course under warranty but don’t know what that means. Will let you know when I get my car back.
Yes, thank you. That'll be great.
What name aplication on phone to EV baterry?
Can you make a ranking of your favourite sound systems even tough its personal?
1. EQS
2. iX harman/kardon
3. iX3 harman/kardon, e-tron B&O
Have you checked the equalizer settings?! 😉
Do you have any information about potentially dangerous neutral coasting? I heard about it once, but I'm not sure if it's real problem. It was about PMM, which can generate super high voltage when rotating with no power or regen. But I'm wondering about cruising in drive with stable speed, and then you also can have 0kW power output. What do you think?
wow crazy
From what I read, Volkswagen is already working on the next gen MEB Plattform, which will start from 2025/26 on? I am very curious what will come!
Hi Bjorn, could you please explain how to calculate the total battery capacity. Thank you.
Look at 21:00 there is the calculation shown on screen, Just need to put in the correct numbers.
@@RuneVenes would this be correct for my car which uses miles per kilowatt hours (i.e 4.1m/kwh)
Given the VWs history, I would say this is done on purpose as it is, so that the user does not notice when the battery's capacity decreases.
Max energy content of the traction battery Wh probably includes all available energy, with portion available below 0% SOC until car stops completely. Someone could test it until car stops (well, not advised).
Bjørn measures the net capacity, that should not include the buffer on the bottom.
@@kleincamper True. However it would be nice to know both figures.
Hei Bjorn - check your Excelsheet - doesnt match. Looks more like 202wh/km at 120. BR
Thank you. Corrected now.
Better range and almost same efficiency with the Model Y LR in similar conditions. This even though ID5 is + 300kg and COD is 0.27 vs 0.23. Seems that VW drive train is really efficient. If VW also made an egg shaped car with limited sound proofing, equipment and suspension to keep the weight down, its range would be crazy good and it would be faster and cheaper. Maybe launch it under a new cheaper brand.
That Model Y LR I tested last year had only 70 kWh net capacity (vs 73.4 kWh on ID5). And at high speed, Model Y was 13 % more efficient. If we tested Model Y LR from today (which is more relevant since ID5 is brand new), then the net capacity is 75 kWh and the range would be 528 km.
@@bjornnyland Wh/km was 206 vs 220 at high speed so the difference was 6.7% and at lower speed difference was only 4%. Very small advantage in efficiency for the difference in drag and weight. MEB platform seems more efficient than Tesla but that can only be verified by doing some complex calculations or by adding 300kg and a roof rack on a Model Y :D
I heard that with the facelift, the MEB platform should be even more lightweight
Well. If only wv batteries were problem proof. And the car is way less powerful and has way longer 0-100 . I had 14 Vag cars.. i will try to never go back to that shit again. Their dealers are liers and don't always know how to fix stuff. Also let's see this car after 100k km and 3 years. What will the degradation be like here? I bet way worse than tesla. Happy 2 model 3 teslas owner here. Bjorn... You're the man. Auper professional. Never miss your videos. Funny as hell too
if I ever forced into buy EV ,will be a Nio. any problem with the battery just turn up to a swap station
If you press the destination on the GPS it will show you battery % and time to continue travel. It's a new feature for 3.0 similar to ABRP
Already shown at 15:42
@@bjornnyland replied before finishing the video. Sorry ;)
Classic
@@Nelsonrgpereira Never mind. You provided a short text description of the new feature, and Bjørn provided the time code 👍😃
Well. Many Enyaq IV80 and other owners of VAG 80kwh cars have noticed that with the smaller battery. Especially a topic in German goingelectric forum and there's a video about it a few days old.
Makes the Kona even more attractive
6:00 It's the Kris-tower not Mjøstårnet.
Hi, are you going to test out the ET7 Bjørn?
Of course.
@@bjornnyland Yeeeeeeeees!
We couldn't see the ID light when it braked hard
People upvoting before they even watched the video.
Bjorn is just that good
Bjorn of all people deserves the likes
Danke Schön!
Allways. First a like then i watch the video. Crazy, uhm?😁
song at 7:52?
How many Km had the car with the faulty Battery module?
2500 km only
How to check the battery if i dont have a odb?
Like Bjørn just did. Drive it from 100% down to zero. Multiply your range with the consumption in w per 1km. For example if you drove 417km and your consumption was 15,5kw/100km (=155w/km): 417*155=64.635Wh=64,6kWh.
The easiest way would be to ask a workshop, but I don't know how much that would cost.
The battery on the GTX uses CATL cells Vs LG chem on the standard ID5.
Is the gtx coming from china? I thought only china made cars would have the prismatic cells from catl
@@fabriziom the car is built in Germany, but yes, some parts are coming from China
@@justinholding02 thanks so it's similar to Tesla that now build cars in Fremont using packs (or modules, I'm not sure) from Shanghai (LFP std range)
@@fabriziom not exactly because VW build their own batteries in Germany. It's just the CATL cells that come from China and these are only used in the twin motor variants
@@justinholding02 no. ID.5 GTX = LG; ID.5 PRO = CATL.
What is the plus 1.75kwh in the capacity calculation?
At 20:25, Car Scanner reports 1750 Wh remaining (bottom of the screen).
@@bjornnyland I see thanks.
@@bjornnyland Then maybe you can drive other ID5 down to 0% SOC, to see how much kWh is left at 0%. Thanks!
Click there, wait for the lag... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a German I can tell you, this is a electric car to prove that electric cars don't work. Like the i3.
Get a Tesla if you can, if not buy a used old car (2000€) and drive it till it's end.
Nipple nipple nipple.
When will you do tests with the MG ZS EV Long Range MY22? This is one of the best priced EV SUV's on the market right now.
I´m quiet sure ID5 has software 3.0 or 3.1 and that gives you the increased charging speed.
I disagree. I can attest to a Tesla Model 3 with a faulty module that reduced charging speed drastically and it did NOT flag error messages. It went unnoticed for a unknown amount of time because it was never flagged. Tesla is not perfect by a long shot.
Defect module and no warning about this major fail? And Møller delivers you a faulty car. Good for the sales numbers. Maybe VW is aware of the problem and hopes that is goes away on its own.
Maybe they hope that drivets will not noticethe problem till the end of warranty?
350km for new ev is depressingly low. 700 should be minimum.
the FALSE-wagen :D
I can’t really understand how the id5 can get more range than the id4, with slightly the same consommation, but less capacity…
Better aerodynamics.
vw group batterygate in the making..
Jesus Christ. 4:03 The pavement looks flawless. Certainly not the case where I live -_-. It's more like sausage asphalt and tar lines patches fest every few seconds. It's simply horrible
A normal person wouldn’t have known that there is a battery problem. They should indicate to the consumer that the battery is not at 100%. I call this the VW batterygate! LOL
Actually if you see the range in km guessed by the car in the beginning of the video was around 365. That is low for 73-75 kw MEB car. When Bjørn got a healthy car it showed 430+ as far as I remember.
*73-75 kWh
It's not that easy. GoM varies quite a lot depending on how you drive. So it's harder to spot reduced range.
Maybe VAG plans to include that in the software for after-the-warranty cars only?😉
@@bjornnyland O, I forgot about that. You have demonstrated that several times.
Classic VW not correctly reporting vehicle performance. How would the average Joe know they had a faulty battery module? Why was the car not reporting the fault? These legacy autos are treating their extremely loyal customers as fools. Disappointing.
“Legacy auto” treating their customers as fools? Does Tesla not? Last time I checked, a concerning amount of cars have caught on fire and caused multiple deaths with zero prior warning and Tesla has barely investigated it nevertheless start a recall. GM had a couple Bolts catch on fire harming nobody and yet recalled every single one of them. So are you implying “non legacy” brands like Tesla don’t treat their customers like fools? Cause they do.
@@nothere572 typical what-about-ism
@@onzaueb Acting like brands like Tesla don't treat their customers equally or more as fools as VW does is quite ignorant
After Dieselgate comes batterygate… 😂😬😬 Just kidding
I hope this joke will not turn out to be reality.
Faulty battery module and 150kw+ charge speed... This can lead to thermal runaway. Volkswagen should work at BMS safety features when there is any battery issue.
Ok, you were short at 123 km/h. Motorways in Norway are limited to 100 km/h. What would a ticket cost if you get caught. 😉
Incorrect. The speed limit was 110 km/h.
VW is lying again? You are an expert. But the common guy will never know that the battery was smaller or with a problem without an error on the screen.
Don? Really? It’s not spelled like that! It’s dun not don!
Is anyone else as worried about the bloated weight of these EV's
2.4T is insane this vehicle. The wasted energy moving around this blob would be atrocious.
Extra weight doesn't increase consumption that much as long as the drivetrain is efficient. MEB platform has very efficient drivetrain. That's why this large ID5 has the same consumption as smaller less efficient cars such as Fiat 500e, Opel Mokka-e and Polestar 2.
This is also interesting to watch regarding weight vs consumption:
th-cam.com/video/ChLSfpmnNZE/w-d-xo.html
The main danger of such heavy vehicles is the kinetic energy they carry. They are deathly on small collisions in the city against vulnerable users, like children, elderly, cyclists, etc. However the efficiency is not affected so much as the increase of mass is usually sprung mass with a similar unsprung mass compared to lighter vehicles.
And yet efficiency is much better than ICE, where 65% is burnt just to produce exhaust gases and heat.
Hmmm painted surface inside seems a bit weird… cheap
Most likely vw will sell that defective crap to someone and when that someone will call about the range, vw will just tell them "it's your fault, you drive too fast, you charge dc only, lots of variables, no, we don't trust any of those obd apps, those apps might have broken it and we should void your warranty but we'll let it slide this time. So no issue with the car, ok?". Just vw business as usual.
It worries me that they sell these cars and when there's a bunch of capacity missing because of a faulty module the cars doesn't alert and VW doesn't know.
I would not buy anything form VW.
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