VW ID4 1st 82 kWh range test
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Basically the only channel that does range tests.
ID4 range test and Björn running full speed. Perfect.
90km/h is bullshit.
Trucks in Germany go a little faster than this.
range @ 120km/h is low as fuck... 300km? really?
Range at 160 km/h would be interesting. 200km or less?
If you want to waste money and time, buy a id4....
@@imresomodi4961 Only in Germany you can go over 120km/h and only on the autobahn. In any other country it's illegal. And how often will you travel 300km in one trip, maybe you but not many people. I do think it's a bit expensive though and a Skoda Enyaq looks like a better deal.
@@imresomodi4961 120 km/h is 75miles/h, decent, legal speed for US...
@@howtoduit France : 130km/h
@@howtoduit The Enyaq is more expensive when you add the 'options' to bring it up to same spec as ID trims. Too many complicated and expensive options on the Enyaq.
Followed the live session of this video, great fun...and a nice crowd of followers. Learned a lot, and like this car so far. Thank you for objective and very pro work.
Thanks Bjorn. Your content is such good quality. You are the only guy who gives us the real data. Actual range, noise level, size (and all the geeky stuff about ambient temperature and tyres and wind etc). And in the course of all that you give your other insights about the rest of the car too. Great stuff -- we really, really appreciate it. I hope that you get as much exposure as possible because quality data and information is what the world needs.
Very nice to see you back with full power Björn👍 thanks for this one💯🌹
Thanks for the range test on the ID.4!
Hi BjØrn,
nice to see You on top again!! A great video this time. that what I was hoped to find on YT!
Thanks!
I guess many VW managers are watching and sweating now..😄
Dealerships are going to be challenged. Customers will know far more about EV's than the sales staff.
🤣
@@lesbendo6363 I know more about this car than the VW salesman who was trying to sell me one the other day. Just from watching youtube videos. Was a bit sad how little he knew about the car.
Well indeed. I had to show them the gesture control as well
@@lesbendo6363 Yes and no. The early adopters yes but your average Joe which this car is aimed at won't know a whole lot.
great to see you back fit and well
thanks Bjoern, very good test!
Great quality video Bjorn 😀👍🏻
Great test video, you put a lot into it. Thanks. Looks like VW has been honest about the ID4 range. This is good news.
Much expected Video, Thank you Bjorn
I love how exciting you sound, even for tire pressure! :D
Excellent review and excellent car! Thank you.
Hej Bjørn,
Love your channel - thank you for great content!!!
Good Job Bjorn and thanks
You are 100% I listen you very charge !!!! Happy for you, fully restored our bjorn
Nice content man. Just taking my ID4 to France. Trondheim to Oslo today, ferry and then all the way to France!
Just tried IONITY at Alvdal, only 70kw..,another car got the same.
today I ordered this car :D 12 weeks waiting now :)
9:33 that's one beautiful cloud!
First of your videos, I have seen. Thank you for mentioning headlights, no one else seems to be interested in such things, I believe it is very important.
Wow, I’m quite impressed! The ID.4 starts to grow on me. Not only looks wise (first I thought it was really goofy looking, but in black like this, it’s quite nice and understated). The battery pack seems to be a good deal as well.
Not really for me... I live in germany and here we have no speed limits on the highways, so I travel daily a lot faster than 120km/h and my Audi TDi lasts at least 900 km with a full tank; if I changed for something like the ID4, I would be out of juice in 200-250 km... (at 120 km/h he had battery for just under 300 km range).
@@ricarmig Yeah sure, 900km on the Autobahn, keep dreaming. My Audi A5 TDI is empty after 350km on the Autobahn.
@@ricarmig Then the EV car is not for you. Maybe wait for the EQS?
@@lorenzmuller4000 you have a TDi (not TSI) that after 350 km is empty?! Lolol only if you have the 3.0 TDI V6 (286 PS) version, giant tires and you drive over 220 km/h for the 350 km. On my A4 2.0 TDi and no crazy speeds (150 - 180 km/h) I get that autonomy (~900 km, at 90-100 km/h I get 1200 km) and that with over 100.000 km made.
@@edgy21 so much money I don't have 😀 but it looks promising!
I think most issues with low range will be fine as soon as most buildings / companies start installing fast charging points. Sadly for "big" countries like Germany where you drive fast and a lot:
- EVs are very ineffective at high speeds
- on the highways, only a few charging points charge fast
- on highways the electricity price is absurd! (Energy price in Germany comparison to the USA is absurd, very expensive)
On a diesel you can fill up cheap on the city and drive a lot, then you are at your destiny city and if you need, you fill up again in 5 minutes; in an EV you'll stop on the highway charging points at least 1-2x and you'll pay big time to fill up. And it doesn't take 5 minutes.
Nevertheless for not so big driving I would gladly buy a Tesla Y (as soon as they are produced in Berlin) or the new KIA
Bjorn, idk if you read your comments but important info on your model s plaid video! The reason the release date stays the same for EU is because the gigaberlin factory is getting the 4680 cells first. So you guys will be getting plaid plus before the US
As always good work dude!,,,
Great content. Thank you!
Well this is turning into a great morning.
Wow excellent work 👍🏽👍🏽
6:03 Polestar 2 casually driving past.
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thank you
Can't wait to see Model Y high speed range test.
Good video and information Bjorn. It looks like a legacy auto company is doing a pretty good job with it’s EV offering. Now a 170Kw charging speed will be a serious improvement with a similar curve.
The curve would not be similar. It would probably go to 170 kW at low SOC and then go down in a straight line. It would still shave around 6 minutes of the 5-80% charge time.
Perfekt Bjørn!!
Your Google Sheet i perfekt.
Yes it is a German wepon,, dates back til ww1.
Anything above 15℃ / 59℉ the car get super efficient. Warm weather is coming so this is going to be great for range!
So Bjorn, if you have ever time to retest them again with 15+℃ it will beat polestar with 120kmh run ;)
Like your videos, keep up the good work! Ps: the consumption is not 161 (16.1) but 16 point 1 kWh. Otherwise nobody would buy an EV😉
Impressive!
I was waiting for this one
Good range !!!!!
OMG can't wait for the Berlin Y range test. With 4680 fat cells, it should hit 400-500 km range at 120 km/h. Just a few months to go. ^^
Also expecting under 2t, because of structural battery pack. -> Y -> Alien dreadnought.
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Great informative video as always! I'd like to have your opinion on the dual motor / AWD version of the ID4 when it becomes available.
Nice numbers.
Great Review as usual. I look forward to seeing you test the KIA EV6 and/or the Ioniq 5
Can't wait for the Dacia Spring test. That's a big one.
The Dacia Sandero petrol has a 550 miles range at 70 mph for £10k.
I wonder what the spring will have and for how much.
I'd love to see a TB test of the new Fiat 500
Når kommer test av IX3? Godt å se deg på beina igjen Bjørn!
Just a comment about when the voltage decrease at the end of the cycle , the effience of the car decrease about over 20%.
That ohms law,P=UxI. We oldtimers who drived with leadacid batteries in the past learned this by the hard way.
Oh look it’s a ‘Voltswagen’...
When are you going to test the EQA?
I would expect at some point in the future...
Always nice to be overtaken by a audi etron 💪🏻
The offhandedly comparison to the E-Tron was spot on. I am cross shopping both right now and for the ID.4 to have similar performance numbers for half the price might have swayed me more towards it. Love your videos.
Finally! We only got one 1st electric vehicle that can seriously travel 400km +! So many do I need to drive to work in one week!
Kudos for early upload!
I bit wondered with tire dimensions, 255 on the rear with same 150kW as ID3. 😮 Explanation might be weight and braking distance, but 77kWh ID3 is also heavy panzer and still rolls on 215s all round.
Yes, I'm thinking about going with 225s all-round, and see if it would make a big difference in range. Especially in winter it is good to have every bit of energy saving
@@abraxastulammo9940 it's quite funny that 225 wheels are said to be small these days... I checked in the street here and most common sizes are 205 and 215.
And yes, for sporty driving it might make sense. But a car that does 0-100 in 8.5s is not sporty... I'd rather have the extra range if its a significant difference.
9:34 I think it is not Wh but Ah and not Wh * V, but Ah * V = Wh (Energy independent on voltage)
Yes, I meant that Ah was one of the variables.
They did a good job of making the car look like a modern current auto and not one of those "car of the future" designs
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How about the assistive driving features? Are they on your car? Answered at 18:23
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Impressive
ID 4 The Win
Nice spreadsheet comparison. However, it would be nice if Teslas were on the list too.
Impressive 16.1kWg/100km consumption seems as good as Kona on Motorway, but Kona achieving it @ 120kph
Björn, at 9:20 did you mean Wh = Ah * V, and so that you think that VW and the Korean cars estimate SoC based on counting Ah ?
Low internal resistant might come up with more leakage discharge when park. Should be tested also.
There are some tests already, and the ID.4 basically has negligible losses when parked for days.
Higher battery internal resistance with the lower state of charge is why the battery temperature increases at low SOC. The heat loss towards the end is also why the total range decreases faster at the end.
Are you sure? Usually internal resistance is lower at lower SoC. That's why Tesla can charge at 250 kW at low SoW. But at low SoC, voltage drops a lot. And in order to maintain the same power (kW), current needs to be higher. And heat loss is a product of resistance and the squared of current.
@@bjornnyland according to this page batteryuniversity.com/learn/archive/how_does_internal_resistance_affect_performance “The internal resistance of lithium-ion is fairly flat from empty to full charge. The battery decreases asymptotically from 270 mW at 0% to 250 mW at 70% state-of-charge. The largest changes occur between 0% and 30% SoC. “.
Also batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/rising_internal_resistance
“Li-ion has higher resistance at full charge and at end of discharge with a big flat low resistance area in the middle.” This resistance probably varies from one chemistry to another but I suspect it is fairly typical profile for li-ion.
I also suspect that the BMS may switch to even more parallel setup at low SOC to keep available power as high as possible given that battery pack voltage is low and thus the BMS tries to compensate with making as many amps as possible, thus the more parallel setup then. But I am speculating on the latter, no idea if this BMS can do dynamic re-wiring.
Ikke alltid vekta til vegvesenet er helt korrekt
i had a go in one yesterday and i am flabbergasted... it was so good. The salesman did something with lane assist and if you were going into another lane without indicating you could feel the steering trying to pull you back. That was on the base model. I think in Spain too as the base model is less than 45k euros that you get 5000 euros off the price with the government incentive scheme called "moves". In america VW has that 3year free charging policy but they dont seem to have that here in Europe.... how comes?
There are two different systems in the ID4, Lane Assist will only prevent you from going into another Lane and is (or will be soon) a mandatory system in the EU. Travel Assist is the active function and steers actively in the middle of the Lane.
Yes I also think it is because of the Image.
@@Psi-Storm after incentives the German and American versions are between 1-2000 euro of each other similarly equipped after incentives. Euro price includes all taxes and fees, the American price does not.
How come? In America the Obama administration really took the diesel gate fraud seriously and forced VW to commit to EVs, set up Electrify America and pay billions in fines. In Europe, the Merkel administration lobbied her ass of in Brussels to make sure VW wasn't punished.
So, we Europeans can thank Obama for the ID.4 and blame Merkel for us having to pay extortion rates at Ionity...
Hi, i like your content! How about Skoda Enyaq? Willl you test it?
Yes
9:46 What a beuatiful cloud!
The energy is not given as watt*hour*voltage, watt*hour is correct. I suppose what is meant here is ampere*hour*voltage, which is the same as watt*hour. since watt = ampere*volt
Do you compensate for the electric lights while driving the high speed test?
Happy to find bjorn again
Volkswagen just nailed it with their cars. the ID cars are really competitive with tesla.
and better price tag !
Hi Björn, did you document the SW Version?
Is it 2.0 (0783/0784) or 2.1 (0792)?
It has 2.1
Great work, as always. EV’s will be read for everyone when they deliver 444 km’s of range at 130/140 km/h. Most trips won’t be that long and people will stop freaking out about range and losing time charging it along the way... I just bought an Hyundai kona 2021 64kw... I’ll do, normally, trips around 200 km distance at 140/150 km/h and I hope I’lol be able to do it without the need of stopping to charge.
Agree with that...I think when you can go about 350km at 130/140km/h and then charge for 20mins for the next 350 km it is usable for everyone...
Or you just stop a bit more often and have shorter charging stops. In those two or three longer trips that most people do per year.
It's a small offer (if any) to significantly decrease your carbon emissions.
@@dirkP38448 in some many countries the limit is 120 or 130. Driving at 130 instead of 120 doesn't even save you a lot of time in reality.
If you do 500 km, that is 4h10m at 120 km/h average. It would be 3h51m at 130 km/h. So to save 19 minutes, you have to spend a lot more energy. If it is even possible to sustain that speed on average, with traffic and all.
@@bilgyno1 As I said, I just bought an EV, so I do care about the earth and all its problems. However, if EV’s want to replace ICE cars for good, they have to provide the exact confort that these ones do. as a transition, I accept some compromises, but car manufacturers really have to keep improving EV’s, by improving software, battery range and reliability so supercharging won’t damage it and governments have to invest in proper charging stations. My Kona can charge at 100kw in a fast charger... however, there is not even one charger in my country that can charge faster than 50 kw (Tesla superchargers aside). This can not be. Ionity charges haven’t arrived yet, for example...
@@bilgyno1 just challenge ABRP with My Etron 50. Route 867km from home to switzerland. 140km/h saves 4mins to 120km/h...thats nothing at a 12h trip...But it feels so much faster...thanks
About the measurement of the capacity, you probably mean amp-hours times voltage, not watt-hours.
As to the temperature in the pack increasing towards the end, it is probably due to the fact that the voltage of the cells, when low, decrease; as such they need to provide more current (therefore amperes) in order to provide the same power. And since heat loss is a function of the intensity squared, this could explain it.
Yes, my bad.
How do these extreme tires make any sense? No sports car but 255s rear and 235s front and 20". It Will be an expensive setup to run per mile.
Bjorn, could you do an update on the "used EV" guide?
Not yet. I have done one not long time ago. Check out my channel.
How much weight can you load until the load limit?
Hvor stor fart hadde du i high speed test?
You need to test the new Zoe since it’s got new BMS updates
What's new? Charging curve? Increased battery capacity?
@@bjornnyland it was misreading on battery state of health and showing less capacity. Also, the energy screen in the car was showing the wrong numbers.
Also, unrelated to the fixes - ZE50 is now in CanZE app so you can check the stats there. I think it wasn't added to that app yet when you tested first time.
One thing that I am curious about is the charging efficiency? Or to put it differently how much energy is needed from the grid to recharge the battery back to 100% SoC compared to what is used for the driving. I assume that some cars especially those that only have AC charge capability are rather bad in this aspect. Or is that already in your calculations?
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Don't you mean that they count Ah? And because of decreasing voltage the Wh you actually get at lower SoC is less than at high SoC?
8:43 hey Bjørn i have an electric skateboard with 36v system, when my charge is lo, the battery drains faster when I am cruising the same speed. That is because the voltage drops, so the battery has to work harder te maintain the same speed. It could be that lower voltage would result in faster battery drain. I know the voltage of a car is closer to 400v so it could be that it wouldn't count for cars.
That's because the SoC scale in ID3/ID4 is based on Ah which is inaccurate. It should be done like other EVs (not only based on Ah).
@@bjornnyland Its because higher current for the same power which increases the inner resistant od battery and cables, thats what all EVs have to deal with
Hey Björn
Thanks for the video. Is 100% in this car the same as 100% in the Tesla? I know in the Tesla there is no buffer when charging to 100%.
100 % on this car's display is 96 %.
@@bjornnyland is this the difference between the 82 kWh gross, 77 kWh Net ?
One would assume 100% on the gauge is 77 kWh, although some tests have shown that Volkswagen can drive for many more km past 0% SOC. So could be a safety measure.
How much it cost in your country to fully charge ID4 from 0 to full in a public charger?
How much it cost to fully charge TESLA Model Y in your country from 0 to full in a public charger?
What kind of OBD Dongle do you use for your android phone? Can you use the same Dongle for most cars?
Check video description.
Björn any idea for OBD dongle for iPhone?
Wh is already the actual energy. volt times amps would be watts.
Hi Björn. What is your recommendation on PHEV? I am unable to invest in a fully electric car. And probably will by an Hybrid soon! Would appreciate your thoughts on this!
Best Regards
Urban Eriksson
It depends on your driving needs as well as charging options. Most PHEVs have a lousy electric range and are very thirsty if you just run on petrol.
But if for example your daily commute is less than 30 km (in total going and back), and that's most of your driving, it can make sense. If you can charge at work reliably, it could be 60 km in total per day. Of course, you'd need to charge every day.
Must admit I haven't looked at a lot of PHEVs lately, because they don't fit my need at all. Might be that there are options now with a longer range.
I really can't recommend a PHEV. Prices are almost the same as BEV, but most don't have decent electric only range nor power. A lot also just switch to the ICE when you demand some decent acceleration. The only people who could use a PHEV is the once that can charge at home and/or at work, and dont need to do a lot of highway miles in their every day driving, but need to go long distances at least once a month. If you dont fall in that situation, the best advice is to save up for a BEV or go second hand BEV/ICE...
it’s a prismatic cell!
"Bump it up to 170 kW"... tell us more :-)
I'm getting my ID4 base in two weeks. Nice bonus if VW increase charge rate over the air... But maybe you mean in upcoming hardware releases, or?
No, it's actually been more or less confirmed by the head of EVs at Volkswagen. Should be an OTA feature update.
Thanks forvthis nice video. Where have you heard about the 170 kwh charging. Sounds really wild.
@@janolsen9409 th-cam.com/video/pjJfaB-hnrU/w-d-xo.html in the charging part of this review there's an interview with the EV boss of Volkswagen where he pretty much says it will be updated.
Welcome to the world of OTA car improvements. 👍
@@rzvqvb Hopefully only OTA Improvements and not degradation as for some cellphones... 😅
Bjørn, will you do a rang test whit big trailer/caravan also?
Probably not.
The German channel Nextmove did such a test (high trailer and flat trailer) with the ID.4 in winter conditions. It was actually pretty good! Look it up!
I have now seen the nextmowe video... I dont like the way that they compeare numbers. To bad you dont plan to test it Bjørn, your test is more one to one, so you actualy use the data.
Thanks! Do you know when you will get your hands on the Skoda Enyaq?
No
The 19inch comes standard in Norway do you think it’s worth getting the bigger wheels? Much love from Bergen ☔️
No
@@bjornnyland thanks bjørn
I'm imagining how much efficient if it uses 215/55 18
I, too, love more salsa
looks like more energy hungry then Tesla 70D..., overall strong competitor against Tesla model Y