Mercedes EQE 43 AMG range test
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i think AMG is not meant to be energy efficient - just look at the wheels!
EQE AMG WLTP: 22,5-19,7
EQE non AMG WLTP: 18,7-15,9
you point at the wheels but show us WLTP consumption. What is the difference in wheel sizes and how do the wheels make up for almost 4kWh/100km in difference between the AMG and non-AMG versions?
i just wanted to say that AMG sacrifices efficiency for looks and performance. The wheels are only one part of it.
@@ndc5544p Because the wheel types actually make a huge difference in aerodynamic drag. The WLTP score of the standard EQE is calculated with the aero wheels and the AMG version doesn't have those.
@@casaxtreme2952, in addition the EQE AMG is fitted With 20 inch wheels whilst the Tesla has 19 inch wheels. Up on that the Tesla model is a Long Range car and the AMG a performance. A hopeless comparison
Hans: "Hey Otto, how do we get to 50:50 weight distribution?" Otto: "Simple, just add a few hundred more kilos to the rear to even it out"
What if I tell you that Hans and Otto aren‘t typical names in Germany (anymore)?
The weights of EVs is getting ridiculous, owners will be needing a commercial license soon 😂
Indeed, in Netherlands you would need commercial license for a loaded Rivian or F150 Lightning.
That reduces the price per kilogram.
;-)
In The Netherlands you pay for cars by weight. For now EVs are free of tax but that will change in 2025. So a heavy car is not something you would want :)
@@00lucifer7 Interesting fact.
Can you give a few rough numbers?
What are the tax costs for a car with 1300kg, 1500kg, 1800kg, 2000kg, 2250kg and 2500kg?
Would love to see an estate version!
2.620kg 🤯
At the scale: Front axle - weight of an entire BMW i3 pops up on display...
Bjorn describes the sound system like a sommelier describes wine - really cool!
Yeah, he has some impressive skill regarding music details
Coast-Test is very interesting, many variables but ties in well to give a good rolling feel for how the car cruises. maybe comparing coasting to Neutral gear can be helpful as well
I didn't expect to see Bjørn in an AMG if you wpuld ask me a couple of years ago😂
Hello Bjorn.
I think it might be interesting to include a review of the navigation software.
Thanks for your excellent work.
its the tyres, the EQE and the Taycan have massive tyres while the Tesla and IX have normal sized tyres.
With 120km/h it is starting but with 90km/h the tire size isn’t so much changing…
@@Elektroauto1984 the rolling resistance is independent from the speed of a vehicle
Fr=m*g*fr*cos(alpha)
The main advantage for the efficiency is created by use electic motors
BMW:
electrically excited synchronous machine
Tesla: Internal Permanent Magnet - Synchronous Reluctance Motor
@@visionmodernclassics3062 it is not the rolling resistance it is the air which get stucked in the bigger rims
And lot of extra steel in the wide tires, and extra alu in the rims add unnessecary weight.
@@Elektroauto1984 He is talking about the tire width, you are talking about the rim diameter. There is a reason why the Taycan 4S and the (non AMG)EQE are so much more efficient than the corresponding performance versions.
I guess the inefficiency culprit in case of both the EQE and the Taycan CT are the fat tires.
yes - and you can see it while you use the configurator - makes a huge difference!
Yokohama Advans are the same tire that came stock on the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO, and they are extremely soft and sticky. I wouldn't be surprised to see the efficiency improve by >10% just by switching to a standard all-season. Maybe even more by switching to a low rolling resistance tire.
The range tests are great!
That's not an hyper screen, it's an hyper glass with 3 screens behind... 😏
unbelieveable - this car weighs 600 kg more than a Tesla Model Y - SIXHUNDRED KILOGRAMS - are they crazy?
Because it has some Hightech and Performance Options u will never get in a Tesla. 😁
@@IngmarStadelmann like what, more than one screen? I mean the cells in a Renault Zoe with 41kWh weigh 186kgs. Let's say that the pack with 25kWh more adds 150kgs of weight. We still need to account for 450kgs now. Let's say they added 50kgs of sound deadening, that makes it to 400kgs difference. What other features add as much as 400kg of extra weight?
@@rogerstarkey5390 Not really. Tesla is behind in every part beside Akku. But Nobody is buying an AMG because of the range. If range is important to u go for the EQE350+.
It’s an E class. Comparable with an S not a 3/Y.
@@ndc5544p There is a lot more than 50kg of sound deadening. The car is designed to be quiet, it is not just some tacked on dynamat.
iX being less thirsty is actually pretty crazy!
Thought the same!
The Batterylight at the beginning:
On Start up the instrument cluster with the dedicated warning lights all light up to allow the user to see if there is an issue with any warning lights.
In cars with integrated warning lights this isn't neccessary. there the whole screen would be off.
Dedicated warning lights only make sense with distributed ECU unlike tesla. Tesla has one big ECU and a screen
Traditional car manufacturers have distributed ECUs and even if some unimportant ECU have hardware failures the cars can still drive. Eg due to crash / heat /old age / poor quality /...
So don't get confused by these lights. they are kind of a relict of the past.
Are you 100 % sure that the 12 V battery will not be discharged? Because in some EVs, when the battery light is active, the HV->12 V converter is not working and you will discharge the battery. This is easily checked with Car Scanner or similar.
@@bjornnyland Yes i am 100% sure about the meaning of the light at the beginning. But you are not wrong either:
Traditionally all the ECU and electronic in a car is power by the 12V battery. When ever you see a light in a car it operates on 12V.
To my knowledge this also applies to EVs and that is why they still have a 12V battery with a converter (instead of an alternator in ICE).
When starting the car, the ECUs will start one by one and drain the 12V battery until all ECUs have started and all functions of the car will be available. Including the converter.
And part of the start up phase of the ECUs is a self check. Including the instrument cluster that contains the battery warning light and all the other warning lights.
The starting one by one is don't to keep amp draw low on the battery as during start up all electronic usually consumes a lot of energy.
And the self check is necessary to ensure the vehicle is save to drive (Functional Safety Requirement)
To recap: the light means something is wrong with the 12V battery/12V circuit. On start up it is on because of the self check and until the start up of the converter is not completed it will drain the 12 battery.
If you are driving and this light comes on, then it could mean that the converter is broken. but i don't know, depends on the car.
With ICE this light would come on after the alternator broke and the battery got to empty from supporting all the electronic without being recharged. Maybe same thing for EVs maybe converter is directly monitored.
On Startup of the car the light should always be on, actually all dedicated warning lights should be on. and should be turned off as soon as all corresponding ECUs have started and are fully operating. I wouldn't be surprised if these light operate on a dead man switch mode.
This means they are on as long as the relevenat ECU that controls the light is not (yet) fully operating
@@bjornnyland as long as the light is on the battery is discharged, easy as. The lights have been programmed on any car to light up if the battery voltage is below a certain threshold, which is I believe below 12.8V or 13V. If the battery isn't chaged sufficiently, for example your alternator or DC/DC converter goes bad the light will be lit up.
As Lichansan explained it lengthy: during startup the light will go on on many cars but if the DC-DC converter kicks in it will go off due tot the fact that the criteria for the light is not met (discharging battery). If not, the light stays on even after most of the lights are off because it's not being actively charged (the measured voltage of the battery is below the charging threshold).
These big touchscreens may look great, but I hate that I have no tactile information.
Range is perfectly fine honestly. People that value efficiency would obviously not pick the AMG version. I can't get over the design though. It simply doesn't look its price. It looks like an economy car. I'm also not a fan of the UI. The glossy design looks very dated.
Mercedes is number 1
BMW is number 2
I am quite disappointed by the EQE and at the same time impressed by the i4!
People are always complaining that BMW is sharing the platform between ICE and EV. I think this was actually very smart. They will have i4, i7 and i5 all on the same technology. Can’t wait for my i4 to arrive in about 2 weeks.
@@markuserbeldinger9674 It is impressive how efficient the i4 m40 is. I would nott have thought that, since the aerodynamics are meh and it is a mixed tool box for ICE and BEV. In 2025 the new pure BEV platform will arrive.
17:55 the Tesla have 245/45-19 Tyres. That are very small. If you make this on the Mercedes you have - 4 KW
Tesla is also some 300kg (the new models like 500kg) lighter. Afaik the AMG can be fitted with 265/40R20, but doesn’t come with 19’s.
Almost 600kg more than a Model 3 LR AWD. That's a tank...😳
It‘s a class over the Model 3. Tesla does not have such a car.
@@marcel151 a class over doesn't warrant a 600kg difference. I mean the E-Class weighs between 1575 and 2215kg. A Passat weighs by comparison between 1367 and 1776kg. I understand that we talk of a different class, but even as plug-in hybrids, the offering of Mercedes is much much heavier than the offering of VW. This tells me that Mercedes don't optimise their cars for weight. Maybe there are cost constraints? What hinders them to offer a car that doesn't scratch the 3 ton mark when fully loaded?
@@ndc5544p Why would Mercedes make their cars light when that compromises sound insulation, ride comfort, materials quality and structural strength?
Lighter is great if you can do it without compromise but thats not how the world works.
Some people value light weight over comfort, range over noise insulation and so on. Others prefer the car to be as nice as possible with range being secondary.
At the extreme of this a Caterham can be as low as 490kg so if you don't care about a windscreen there's your car.
Excited to see some track performances for this hippo. AMG so it must be great.
18:20 Hello Bjorn. You have driven 580km with Taycan4s.
Curious for the new G80 . Seems like a great car and beats the E-Tron GT for charging power at 80% although the charging power is currently capped.
Finally EQE!!
Seems disappointing. High consumption and lots of screen space which is not used well due to the not so good software. I'm not so sure why it's so difficult for Mercedes to really improve their software UX / UI.
They spend more money for advertising and incoming models once the mentioned car is on production line, especially when it comes to deliver what deserves a expensive premium Amy car in 2022, seems like MB needs another ceo since it’s waaay worse than the 90’s quality and efficiency.
If you need the range don’t order the AMG package. Without the fat tires the EQE is very efficient. Also I think the MBUX is one of or maybe even the best infotainment system in the industry.
@@lorenzmuller4000 Best in the industry does not make it good. They are all in general pretty bad. What I cannot stand about MBUX is the design language. It feels cheap and with a 2000s Chinese DVD player touch. BMWs infotainment may not be the best either but at least it has a good modern/elegant design.
The motor and battery temperature screen is AMG specific.
good morning Bjorn
any chance to test a model x long range?
you're the best
Disappointing range for such a big battery, yesterday I drove 455km and 128km/h (sometimes over 180km/h) on avarage with my Model 3 LR 2022 without charging. From 100% to 3%. I thought, the EQE AMG has a better range than my Model 3 with acc. boost.
Of course on the Autobahn.
If you need the range don’t order the AMG package. It’s way more efficient without it. The tires on the AMG are HUGE.
Could we have more info on CCS2 please Bjorn?
Would love it if you could test the new electric megane!
It's like almost a TON more than model 3, spooky 😱
I might be interested in the EQE, but not the AMG version. Is Mercedes introducing the AMG version before the standard version? I have not yet seen any road tests of the standard one....
I curiously await a France luxury test of the Renault Megane E :-)
7:31 Bjørn, what is the title? (No trace on your playlist).
@Bjørn Nyland @teslabjørn
Many people is now ordering the AMG 43 and will buy aftermarked rims and tieres so can you please do a range test with better rims and better tiers as you are testing ModelY ? Feks 20“ - 255/40 or 255/45? Same size back and front? Or 19“ also, this will help us find rims abd tieres that are good and tested..
Thanks🙏
Looks like haircut time coming soon? ;-)
Are you going to do a full review of this car pleaseeeeeeee🙏🏾
Suggestion: use the same songs to test sound. It will be easy to compare for you and us.
the EQE has (and i quote) "Permanent Magnet excited AC Synchronous Electric Motor"
Would love to see EQE350+ range test, based on WLTP numbers it should have 120-130 km more range than EQE 43 AMG. This means about 610 km.
Hej Björn!
En fråga när det gäller din test av ljudsystemet i bilen.
Har du jobbat något med EQ i bilen eller hur ställer du ljudparametrarna?
Med vänlig hälsning
/Gjermund
Hello. Why can't you test the normal EQE. The AMG Version is rare anyway on the market AND thirsty. I am very keen to get a consumption with the "normal one" EQE (2 wheel) !!
It is rare because people can not affort it!!! it is a fantastic car.
when you pay 120 000€ or more for this car you do not give a shit about consumption ....
@@joaobravo4606 wtf are you on about? Of course you care. Whether its a 40 000€ car or 120 000€ car it still matters to know how far you can go.. Some people are dumb!
@@Dark_Vader888 dumb are you.!! I own this car so I know what I talking about. I charge it when I need it and I don’t care about any consumptions.The car is to serve me and nothing else , like any other elétric device . ( like a phone) Nobody buy a phone thinking about if the battery takes 8 or 9 hours. They buy them because they LIKE IT 😝
Nobody buys a Ferrari thinking about the consumption👎👎
Not sure if Canada is getting the EQE AMG but we are at least getting the EQE.
What is ‚ECO charge‘ for? (at 14:40)
Description behind the ‚i‘ Button?
Lower max power to 100 kW and max charge level to 80 %.
I really want to see the RWD range test.
Not bad, comparable to the BMW i4 but the EQE does cost more. The 43 AMG however is optimized for performance and with fat 265 & 295 width tires the range isn't going to be stellar, but the EQE 350 should be more interesting if you care about outright big numbers.
The plaid has same size tires but 21" wheels with more power it's larger and yet is more efficient than this eqe is. 🤔
@@4literv6 a 2012 Model S is more efficient. Mercedes would be better at this stuff if they'd been doing it for a decade 😀
@@rhydlew well they did partner with tesla over a decade ago on that little b class converted ev they offered.
Bet they wished they'd stayed the course and held onto their tesla stake a bit longer now. 😀
@@4literv6 very true. They helped Tesla a lot with that deal. Yes the B250e has Tesla drivetrain, and Model S is full of parts from the Merc parts bin. The downside of being part owned by oil companies is that you have to wait until someone else is eating your lunch before you're allowed to work on your sustainable future 😉
@@rhydlew you seem confused. Merc didn't help tesla, tesla the young upstart was the one who put their tech in a Mercedes.
You know the supposed "best or nothing" car manufactuer with yada yada decades of experience behind their badge. 😁
Tesla already had the first ever car of the Year for a new model by a new manufacturer in the model s in the bag. A distinct honor only they and now lucid have earned in over what 120+year's of automotive manufacturing at scale. 🤔
The so called big boys are the one's who needed the upstarts help not the other way around.
Toyoda was the same with the rav4 using tesla parts. Again tesla parts in a toyoda not toyoda parts in a tesla.
And looking at the b4zx disaster they could sure use team teslas help on evs. But maybe byd will sort out ole Yoda. 👍🏻
You know there is something wrong when a NIO ES8 weighs less than EQE 😂😂
Wy you don’t test the long range eqe and Eqs not all need 4 wheel drive ??? If is range test
The first press cars TH-camr are getting are mostly the full spec versions
@@tobias..6688 it’s a range test. eqs and eqe long range I think can do better, and I have a Tesla model 3
1:40 It just shows all the warning lights at startup. Thats normal.
Many EVs will actually discharge 12 V if that battery symbol is lid up.
Shouldn't you use bluetooth for audio tests because with bluetooth, you will use the car's own onboard DAC/AMP where as with USB, you would use the audio source's dac/amp.
I think you mix up USB with 3.5 mm analog jack. I meant USB stick. The audio file is wav and the car's DAC needs to do the work. Bluetooth is worse since there's another layer of compression/decompression in the transfer.
@@bjornnyland Oooh right right right, my bad :)
Hm, I am not sure about the car. EQS is somewhat elegant but this one...
Consumption a bit too high. But great charging and specs. Maybe I need to see it in real life.
I saw it in real life and I was underwhelmed. The EQS is a different world - also pricewise - compared to what I would invest but has quite a lot of cool stuff. the EQEp here does not convince me. and the consumption is not good at all. And it is silly expensive esp when speccing it half way decent. So my opinion would be : I get it that someone goes for the EQS if you got the money but this EQE to me sits between all chairs: too expensive for what it is... but then again, de gustinus non est disputandum 😎
Who the heck thought making fancy interfaces with glossy effects on a shiny screen would be a good idea? Only WinXp and cheap Notebooks from the supermarkets have this. Why Mercedes, whyyyyyyyyy?
truly, who wants this glossy stuff?
i think mercedes saw your tests and added the battery temperature gauge
👍🚙
Vitesco supplies Mercedes with PMSM. I suppose Mercedes might be better off building them in-house.
Which is why Mercedes is switching to in house developed motors starting with the MMA platform
Not really, the drivetrain is very efficient.
very good car
It's crazy how it still can't keep up with a Model S
It’s a 43 not a 63.
youkhohama Mercedes not going for premium tire anymore, Saving pocket money do they :D. 0:40
Can you do a test with a real high speed? At least 160 kph :)
Send me €1000 for the speeding fine and I'll do it. I accept PayPal.
It is heavy. It has double glass windows. Well
Why again, like the EQS 580, you are testing a 4WD? I would suggest to test a more mainstream RWD version. It has much better comsumption figures and is more affordble to most people.
Because I just request any EQE and the first available press car was AWD...
I test drove the EQE 350 a few weeks back. Probably the most boring time I've had in an electric car - typical Mercedes owners will love it. 😋
I like your range tests but the speculation about the consumption at the end is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. Of course the fat tires are the main reason for the relatively high consumption, you know that best, think of the Taycan what a difference that made in the tests, you do not need to speculate long about the all-wheel drive.
Compared to the test values of the Model S from the table 245/19 vs (265/20 - 295!/20), these are worlds. Yes, the Mercedes will consume more than the Tesla even with the same tires, but not that much, if you also take into account the significantly higher weight, then it is probably not even 5% difference in the drive.
The tests are interesting but only meaningful if the tires are at least comparable, otherwise it's like comparing summer with winter, the differences here are just too huge.
@@rogerstarkey5390 you're right, i thought even the amg version had smaller tires as standard and these are optional wheels, but i was wrong.
Still, with tires like these, you don't have to wonder about the relatively high consumption. That would not get significantly better without all-wheel drive.
295 tyres!
2 ninety fünf 😳
Nein zwei hundert fünf und ninety..
German numbers are like American dates - twisted.
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy gush! Just got used to french with its weird constructions, definitely not ready to german 🙈🙈
@@EugeneHoochie O yes that was fun too 99 = 4*20+19 😂
That infotainment system is so bad. These guys really need to step up their game.
Frunk?
No frunk.
German Luxury = gut (if electric)
Do you want more of that, he?? You know what you have to do ...
Maybe Mercedes has permanent AWD which results in poor efficiency? Same as Polestar 2. Wide tyres with low profile are making it even worse I guess.
Yes
*Why would anyone pay so much for a recycled plastic and rubber ...even the front grill looks glued on 😐.....doesn't justify the cost 😁👍*
cost only a few bucks ;p
DEUTSCHER PANZER FTW
I wonder why dont they use more 800V systems more in car since it is so limiting to use anything less.
Battery health
@@sworksm552 Doesn’t affect battery health at all. Cell voltage stays exactly the same, they are just linked differently.
@@lorenzmuller4000 voltage yes but the current is increasing, that is the ptoblem. Porsche knows it and offers a charging speed reduction for battery health care.
@@sworksm552 Its the other way around. 400v x 100a = 40kw, but 800v x 20a = 40kw. Its half the amps when you double the voltage. I guess the main reason why its only beginning to get used is that the controllers and other electronics that have to deal with 800v + what ever the safety margin is are just more expensive.
@@tobiasstaermose But not in the battery cell, the voltage is between 3,7V and 4,2V. I had a lot of cells in my SEM to see dentrides.
The whole UI looks so 2006... even the font in the nice HUD looks so dated, also the icons in the top row of the gauge cluster... i really dont understand how this can match mercedes quality standards its so ugly.
At least it's not glossy.
Its got 295 Advan sports on and you wonder why its not efficient?
Thats some big, sticky rubber right there and since it says AMG I wouldn't be surprised if the geometry is orientated more for ability than range.
Then you have to remember its bloomin heavy - which also adds to rolling resistance.
I don't think its because Mercedes don't know how to make an efficient drivetrain. More likely they have different ideas about acceptable build quality, noise levels and so on.
Any ev can be made more efficient by slapping on some eco tyres and ripping out all the things that make it nice to be in. Thats not a clever trick - its just a trade off.
Tesla performance models with sticky tires are not that inefficient. Just saying.
@@bjornnyland Not that heavy either. It all makes a difference.
You call that high speed? Bjørn, on our Autobahn you will be an obstacle for truck drivers almost. Honestly, 43 is supposed to run not to creep. Of course, it's not done for energy efficiency.
Ah yes the famous 10 seconds of no limit autobahn between baustelle. Maximum speed here is 100km/h so 120 km/h is ‘high speed’.
@@nielsvandenkieboom5034 Sometimes, on some highways it feels like that, right. There are still enough stretches, were you can let the horses run. A bit off the bigger cities.
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Can you please do another used EV buying guide?? 😢🥲🥲