Player profile, player profile. Dripping strength with why 400. There's no money in there, then check raises turn??? Plus she was next to act post flop after buttons Cbet. Lit 5k on 🔥.
You checkraised the flop, and then she checkraised you back on the turn. That's insanely, insanely strong. I can't type insanely enough here. I'm not good enough to get away, but I'm just calling the river.
@@Listman234 9 combos of KQ to 6 combos of KK/QQ. More likely that someone calls PF with KQ, and KK/QQ likely 3B. With that in mind there's more KQ than straight up 9:6. Add in a small amount of weird bluffs, AA, AK, random 2p and a set of 22 is printing money.
I'm suspicious of everyone, but my first thought was SB preflop call is very strong as well. This game is way above my level, but at some level, you gotta sniff out oversets, right?
@@nathantorian3005 I don't think a player like her check raises the turn with KQ anywhere near 100% of the time though. She might check call the turn close to 100% with it.
When caller said unconventional, I immediately thought KK/QQ. She was out of the small blind. And was intending to trap the button only, but when she flopped top set, she can trap again. Her speech would make me play it slower. Not many people talk unless they're awfully comfortable. Also. 6 combos of KK/QQ and 9 KQ. It's not that many more combos.
You're literally the only smart person commenting here. There are so many tells and live play situational markers here that scream limped kings or queens, it's not even funny. I could've folded this shit on the turn.
You have to think at least some (half?) of the KK/QQ combos are 3! pre so there’s still a ton more KQ. I am scared of her little speech before calling flop x/r though.
I think the live read is the way to go here. When people start talking before the river it's 90% nuts, 10% air bluffs. Combine that with her not being bothered by your check raise and she's just incredibly strong here. Fold bottom set or at least check back turn and try to lose the minimum.
KQ does this as does a horribly misplayed AA. Heck on occasion I've seen this with AK. Never underestimate a fish is propensity to value own themselves.
I think it's a *lot* more likely you're getting trapped here because of the configuration. Classic "don't want to scare away action when I have a mega-premium". Also the "why so big?" followed by a call screams strength, gotta agree with the live chat there.
This is a good example of playing a hand differently online vs live. I’m probably losing most if not all my stack online here, but almost certainly losing the minimum playing it live with this opponent and her tells.
I used to call with bottom set on a dry board with only a bet size stack behind me, and avoided losing all against a better set, very similar situation with this, but as Bart said, which I agree, there should be no call here, either fold or shove given the stack behind is so small. It’s a long run game, if you feel bad on a day and want to deviate from your play, just fold, don’t call.
Against a standard player, I'm happy to get this all in and expect to win a large majority of the time. But as soon as the caller mentioned this player is unconventional, you can't play the hand standard as well. These types of villains love to trap big hands. I wouldn't be surprised if villain had KQ that they would of just donk lead this board on flop instead. When I get check raised on turn with bottom set, I'm very concerned and play it defensively.
@AhmedAhmed-md7uy I was a villain from a call in. The hero told the truth about the hand but lied about the stakes. Probably just to make the hand sound more interesting.
always calling check raise on turn in position. turn 3bet looks so strong i don't want to risk giving her a way out when i have another chance to get the money in on the river.
What hands will she fold on the turn to a 3bet which will call a river shove unimproved? KQ maybeeee fits and I guess maybe she bluffs the river with a missed straight draw. Idk, check raise folding the turn is not a move you see very often lol.
@@adriennes7739 i don't play stakes this high so maybe she's due more credit than the average player in my games but if she can flat KK, she can do the same with AA, AK and might play them similarly. also yes if she's bluffing a straight draw i wanna give her the chance to continue on the river.
Eh I mean she called his big raise on the flop after asking why he put so much in a little pot which is pretty strong and then she raised him on the turn which is strong too. KQs def a possibility but to not respect that she could have better is an easy to lose money which is what ended up happening.
I think Bart has it wrong on this one and the caller's friends are correct. Villain has acknowledged that she thinks we're betting really big compared to the pot. So she thinks we're polarized. We're check-raising an uncapped range and a caller on the flop, and going for big size. For her to raise KQ for value after this action, she is hoping we have a worse 2 pair, and there just aren't very many of those. She may not put any K2 / Q2 in our range in fact. Meanwhile, 22 is clearly looming. Mix in that most amateurs are risk averse, and I doubt many are attacking with KQ here. Add in that villain is trappy / tricky, and I expect to lose a lot.
This is where reading comes in, if she is a good player (must have some skills) would she call with KQ preflop? But she called and check raised, that is definitely better than KQ. If you are not sure just call you can save almost 2k.
exactly! When players start talking about "results oriented", "exploitative play", "number of combo draws", "raising/calling certain % of time", ...bla, bla - then you know they have no clue about hand reading. . In this particular case, if reading says: she is better than two pairs of KQ, then it's easy to make a difficult decision easy. BTW, holding Micky mouse set while facing a cat hammer must be a warning sign to a serious player.
A number of reasons: 1. You are strongly disincentivized from playing small pots as the amount of money taken out of the pot is worth too large a percentage of the pot to make bluffing as profitable. 2. The hands that you play at the bottom of your standard opening range may only be worth 1 or less than 1 big blind in ev that disappears after the drop. 3. You have to play tight and are therefore less likely to get action on big hands.
It's a cooler, I'd absolutely jam all in. The villain is repping mad strength but it's not 400bb deep, it's 100bb. It's way more likely that she has some two pair combo than KK/QQ.
I wouldn't say WAY more likely. There's 3 KK, 3 QQ, and 9 KQ. We can SAFELY say that any other draw hands are out with her remark on the flop call. She's got a STRONG made hand there, and two pair honestly SEEMS extremely weak for the way she acted on every street. But for posterity, we'll include the top Two Pair. So with the range she has, the ratio for Two Pair to sets is 9:6 or 3:2 So for every THREE king-queen combos, there's TWO oversets. The 2s have 60% equity now (beating 9 out of 15 possible hands). This is completely removing the info she's already let on though. She absolutely broadcasted that her hand was utterly nutted. And from the way he described her as "just...is"...I can just tell she looooooves to stay quiet, blend in, and look for trap opportunities. This trap...this one is a diamond
Hero check raising the flop for that sizing AND continuing to barrel on turn is extremely strong. Especially on that board. Hero is repping 2-pair at the minimum (with exception of J10 as his bluff combo). So for villain to call hero's huge x-raise on flop and then x-raise hero on turn, villain is extremely value heavy here. So unless villain is a complete donk, most villains would not play KQ this way -- especially OOP. I understand that villain did not 3! pre, but hero has stated villain's unconventional play-style. Villain played it fishy too. Flatting preflop with Kings...and why not just jam the river? Anyways, hero played it fine... but I think I am flatting the river. The pot is already massive and I want to minimize going broke with bottom set type of hands. That is the problem with entering multiway pots with 22.
Agreed: C/R with KQ after the previous action , on this board, is very likely an overplay, when her hand blocks both K2s/Q2s; -hands that even have to strongly consider folding after her massive display of strength. But, as 22 is the strongest we will ever have here, we have to call down, crying.
Wow.... this hand shocked me. It's 3 handed with a woman player in SB. The PFR continues on flop. She calls with a player behind her. That player raises & BTN folds. She calls & gives a speech tell. Then check-raises the turn. Hero calls. I agree with the caller, his hand is nearly face up. The chance of me raising the river here is 0%. I see KQ as the bottom of her range, which is a total of 3 hands.
the answer for this specific video would be: her line as played is never folding to a jam on the turn, therefore the caller should have jammed turn and this hand is just a cooler, not even worth calling in.
No, I personally would not fold 22 preflop, facing a 4 bet that makes my implied odds bad, yes. The implied odds of flatting the 22 is absolutely insane. I would definitely see a flop, then fold to a bet if i didn't get the set.
I think it was the table talk that was the tell here, when she questioned the raise. "There's not that much money in the pot" and then calls. KQ typically nobody would do that. Every time someone says that, it means what it means. That's my take. This smelled like a rat the entire way.
Hey Bart Just curious what your thoughts are. I've been playing holdem in Montana and the law is $800 pot cap. They have a 10% rake $7 max. I've been playing there for 11 months now for 68 sessions and I'm up $12,300.
What's the stakes? 2/5? How many hours? Lots of details are required here to get a sense of what we're talking about. What do you want to know? Are you good, should you do it full time? How much money do you need to survive?
I don't believe youtube pros acting like they'd have gotten away from their set here. You're missing value if you're that scared of KK/QQ. Don't be results oriented. I may have raised the turn all-in myself. KK and QQ are unlikely: there was no 3bet PF and no CR on the flop. Hero was allowed to call for free on the flop behind. There are more two-pair hands, AK, JT or random bluffs that SB may do this with. If you're folding or just calling down this set on such a dry board, you're playing way too weak.
This caller thinks villain called a 5x raise On flop with K8? I mean. I appreciate optimism as much as the next person. But that’s just crazy. KQ is the worst hand villain has. Ever.
Given that she plays unconventionally, that tiny river bet is screaming for a call with a hand that’s afraid to get a fold if she does the standard thing and shoves…especially since she knows she blocks a ton of hero’s value. Combined with her small x-raise on the turn after being check raised on the flop, I just don’t think many opponents would be doing this for thin value with KQ…. This feels like one of those hands where I know I’m probably beat based on reads but end up making the call or worse shove based on MDF and knowing 22 is the best possible hand I can have here. I’m trying to get better about making the unconventional fold in these scenarios unless I have prior evidence someone is willing to take aggressive lines with small sizing for thin value or bluffs (which is basically never the case in most live poker). Sure, in theory this means I’m exploitable but I don’t think it will happen enough to net out negative
Yeah the caller reasoning is like okay she should have kk or qq because of the preflop action but in case she has it and because she is usually pretty tight id just call to control that lower frequency scenario while reducing my gain if the more frequent scenario, what i mainly think she has comes. I know it sounds a bit twisted and weak but is it that stupid ? Hard subject, like i think she more probably has KQ and i could more probably win it all yet she could still slowplay kk or qq therefore im gonna do pot control ?
She probably loses out on value in the long run if she traps in the SB with a hand as strong as KK she isn't likely to get set over sets often and she gives BBs a good price to out flop her overpair.
The "reveal/secret" is that all of his videos have the most click-bait titles possible but they're all just regular hand reviews and the titles are irrelevant. Once you know, you don't worry about it anymore
I love that we're ranging the villain here on hands like K2, Q2 ,Q8 etc. I mean, are people in this room so wide open that we can consider hands like that in a raised pot and not have the talk about someone being out to lunch? Lucky Chances? See you tomorrow!
If this was lower stakes, like 1/3 or 2/5, and with the players description of the villain, I would of put her on QQ. But even at 10/20 I don't think a real good player is Blasting Off with KQ here after being reraised on the flop and called to the river. This Player Profile just isn't doing what she did with KQ often. But set over set with No flush of anykind or obvious straight on board? You are most likely getting Stacked.
Poor, poor reading of V hand strength. 😢 . In no way drawing hand nor a top pair would called 5x Flop raise and then x/r turn. So: since it's not a draw, not a top pair, then it's gotta be nuts. To which 3 lil' duckies are helpless. Just get out on turn and never look back. . And, yeah: Watch your monster flop raise.
I don't know why people call in with these type of hands. It's just a cooler. Do not pass go do not collect $200. There's nothing to discuss. Stop trying to "figure out" what you did wrong. What I take from this video is that the guy isn't properly bankrolled. Someone playing at 10 - 20 should have enough experience to have seen coolers. I have a gut feeling that this was just TOO much money for him to lose and that he's wrangling with how he can avoid these kind of situations. You just can't. They're very rare but do happen. I got coolered 3 times just today (Top 2 pair hitting set, another top 2 where villain rivered trips and pocket Queens where a random Ace hand rivered a straight). I lost 3 buy ins and I'm ok. Tomorrow's another day.
I put her on queen queen right away. She's in the small blind so she should be raising with those King Queens as blockers so she doesn't have to play oop 3 ways.
Clues that gave her strength away was : 1)Why is she check calling on the flop and then check raising the turn when the 8 was likely inconsequential? (Only after the original raiser folded no need to fool around just build a pot). 2) river small raise smells of value bet so bad No body is going to check raise with two pair on the turn. It all gave a signs of a set. You had two opportunities to fold and save a lot .😊😂
This lady has to be one of the biggest spots in the bay area poker scene if she's playing $10/$20. Talk about butchering a hand and still getting max value.
The caller’s friends saying he should have just called the bet on the river are just being super results oriented. She has KQ so much more often than KK/QQ and no way is she folding.
6 combos of KK/QQ and 9 combos of KQ. It's not that much more often. Key idea is that the villian is "unconventional", this means KK/QQ is not unbelievable.
@@DescartesRenegade she might be “unconventional” but I’d still be willing to bet she raises KK/QQ preflop some of the time hence those 6 combos are shaded somewhat. But even if you know they have all 6 combos it’s still a raise because 9 is bigger than 6.
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How often would you just be jamming the turn here vs the opponents' check raise?
100%
Just call turn call river against a lady.
Player profile, player profile. Dripping strength with why 400. There's no money in there, then check raises turn??? Plus she was next to act post flop after buttons Cbet. Lit 5k on 🔥.
Only if I have the Nuts
I put it in. Kq is more likely. Just a cooler.
You checkraised the flop, and then she checkraised you back on the turn. That's insanely, insanely strong. I can't type insanely enough here. I'm not good enough to get away, but I'm just calling the river.
Yes the check raise on the turn is super nutted
I agree. Idk how bart is saying there is more KQ. To me that screams bigger set all day.i would imagine KQ just calls down and never raises turn
@@Listman234 9 combos of KQ to 6 combos of KK/QQ. More likely that someone calls PF with KQ, and KK/QQ likely 3B. With that in mind there's more KQ than straight up 9:6. Add in a small amount of weird bluffs, AA, AK, random 2p and a set of 22 is printing money.
I'm suspicious of everyone, but my first thought was SB preflop call is very strong as well. This game is way above my level, but at some level, you gotta sniff out oversets, right?
@@nathantorian3005 I don't think a player like her check raises the turn with KQ anywhere near 100% of the time though. She might check call the turn close to 100% with it.
When caller said unconventional, I immediately thought KK/QQ. She was out of the small blind. And was intending to trap the button only, but when she flopped top set, she can trap again. Her speech would make me play it slower. Not many people talk unless they're awfully comfortable.
Also. 6 combos of KK/QQ and 9 KQ. It's not that many more combos.
You're literally the only smart person commenting here. There are so many tells and live play situational markers here that scream limped kings or queens, it's not even funny. I could've folded this shit on the turn.
funny, i talk when im reallly uncomfortable, usually in tourneys where its not dollars at play, im probably the opposite in cash never really noticed
@@joshuakennedy8094 easy when you can see the results huh? If caller had folded the turn everyone would be calling them a scared money nit.
You have to think at least some (half?) of the KK/QQ combos are 3! pre so there’s still a ton more KQ. I am scared of her little speech before calling flop x/r though.
Yeah theres more kq in her range simply because of the action pre
“I dont consider her a nit…i dont consider her action…she just kind of…is…” LMFAO
She's zen
I think the live read is the way to go here. When people start talking before the river it's 90% nuts, 10% air bluffs. Combine that with her not being bothered by your check raise and she's just incredibly strong here. Fold bottom set or at least check back turn and try to lose the minimum.
That means If I wanna bluff rivet, all I have to do is start talking! For a full success. 😂🎉😅🤣
I think we learn less from Cooler call-ins other than they are Coolers lol.
For a lot of people it’s important to learn about that part of poker tho! You shouldn’t adjust your game because of a cooler you faced
I’m probably not folding but when you get raised here on the turn I’m shoving and if I lose I lose.
Couldn’t agree more. Kk and Qq Is just so rare here.
KQ does this as does a horribly misplayed AA. Heck on occasion I've seen this with AK. Never underestimate a fish is propensity to value own themselves.
I think it's a *lot* more likely you're getting trapped here because of the configuration. Classic "don't want to scare away action when I have a mega-premium". Also the "why so big?" followed by a call screams strength, gotta agree with the live chat there.
What a brutal hand. Apparently flatting in the SB with QQ+ will pay dividends every now and then
apparently flatting monsters in the sb is bullshit because of at least 3 reasons
This is a good example of playing a hand differently online vs live. I’m probably losing most if not all my stack online here, but almost certainly losing the minimum playing it live with this opponent and her tells.
Also you can make judgements on your opponent's persona and thought processes
I used to call with bottom set on a dry board with only a bet size stack behind me, and avoided losing all against a better set, very similar situation with this, but as Bart said, which I agree, there should be no call here, either fold or shove given the stack behind is so small. It’s a long run game, if you feel bad on a day and want to deviate from your play, just fold, don’t call.
What an absurd line. I'm jamming river turn or river. KK taking this line is pretty out there. Unlucky if you run into it 1/100x
Against a standard player, I'm happy to get this all in and expect to win a large majority of the time. But as soon as the caller mentioned this player is unconventional, you can't play the hand standard as well. These types of villains love to trap big hands. I wouldn't be surprised if villain had KQ that they would of just donk lead this board on flop instead. When I get check raised on turn with bottom set, I'm very concerned and play it defensively.
Bingo. When he said unconventional, combined with the double check raise, the hidden monster seemed obvious.
Her comment in response to hero’s check raise is a dead give away. I was screaming at the TV when I watched this video.
BTN opens, SB flats, "Is there any merit to folding?" Result oriented, cooler story incoming.
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Lol..agreed. Some of these callers can’t even regurgitate hand histories properly 😂. Don’t know if they’re clueless or making stuff up 🤔
@@JerryMcquire007 most I believe are lying
Listening to this guy it baffles me how he’s playing this deep and saying the things he’s saying. She has 88 wtf
@AhmedAhmed-md7uy I was a villain from a call in. The hero told the truth about the hand but lied about the stakes. Probably just to make the hand sound more interesting.
@@michaelstephens9852 from this call in ?? You were at the table. What we’re the stakes
always calling check raise on turn in position. turn 3bet looks so strong i don't want to risk giving her a way out when i have another chance to get the money in on the river.
Exactly what I thought
What hands will she fold on the turn to a 3bet which will call a river shove unimproved? KQ maybeeee fits and I guess maybe she bluffs the river with a missed straight draw. Idk, check raise folding the turn is not a move you see very often lol.
Nah, no need to let JT get there and it's KQ often enough to make the jam the play
@@adriennes7739 i don't play stakes this high so maybe she's due more credit than the average player in my games but if she can flat KK, she can do the same with AA, AK and might play them similarly. also yes if she's bluffing a straight draw i wanna give her the chance to continue on the river.
I'm with Bart. That's just a cooler where you get set over set, and there was no reason to think she had KK.
Eh I mean she called his big raise on the flop after asking why he put so much in a little pot which is pretty strong and then she raised him on the turn which is strong too. KQs def a possibility but to not respect that she could have better is an easy to lose money which is what ended up happening.
My doyle senses went off when the caller claimed the villain said the pot was too small on the flop.
I think Bart has it wrong on this one and the caller's friends are correct. Villain has acknowledged that she thinks we're betting really big compared to the pot. So she thinks we're polarized. We're check-raising an uncapped range and a caller on the flop, and going for big size. For her to raise KQ for value after this action, she is hoping we have a worse 2 pair, and there just aren't very many of those. She may not put any K2 / Q2 in our range in fact. Meanwhile, 22 is clearly looming. Mix in that most amateurs are risk averse, and I doubt many are attacking with KQ here. Add in that villain is trappy / tricky, and I expect to lose a lot.
Spot on. I'm folding on the turn here.
This is where reading comes in, if she is a good player (must have some skills) would she call with KQ preflop? But she called and check raised, that is definitely better than KQ. If you are not sure just call you can save almost 2k.
exactly! When players start talking about "results oriented", "exploitative play", "number of combo draws", "raising/calling certain % of time", ...bla, bla - then you know they have no clue about hand reading.
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In this particular case, if reading says: she is better than two pairs of KQ, then it's easy to make a difficult decision easy.
BTW, holding Micky mouse set while facing a cat hammer must be a warning sign to a serious player.
Can someone please help me under why 300 max 7 drop is not playable. The rake structure is about the same for lots of bay area casinos.
A number of reasons:
1. You are strongly disincentivized from playing small pots as the amount of money taken out of the pot is worth too large a percentage of the pot to make bluffing as profitable.
2. The hands that you play at the bottom of your standard opening range may only be worth 1 or less than 1 big blind in ev that disappears after the drop.
3. You have to play tight and are therefore less likely to get action on big hands.
It's a cooler, I'd absolutely jam all in. The villain is repping mad strength but it's not 400bb deep, it's 100bb. It's way more likely that she has some two pair combo than KK/QQ.
I wouldn't say WAY more likely.
There's 3 KK, 3 QQ, and 9 KQ. We can SAFELY say that any other draw hands are out with her remark on the flop call. She's got a STRONG made hand there, and two pair honestly SEEMS extremely weak for the way she acted on every street. But for posterity, we'll include the top Two Pair.
So with the range she has, the ratio for Two Pair to sets is 9:6 or 3:2
So for every THREE king-queen combos, there's TWO oversets. The 2s have 60% equity now (beating 9 out of 15 possible hands).
This is completely removing the info she's already let on though. She absolutely broadcasted that her hand was utterly nutted. And from the way he described her as "just...is"...I can just tell she looooooves to stay quiet, blend in, and look for trap opportunities. This trap...this one is a diamond
Hero check raising the flop for that sizing AND continuing to barrel on turn is extremely strong. Especially on that board. Hero is repping 2-pair at the minimum (with exception of J10 as his bluff combo). So for villain to call hero's huge x-raise on flop and then x-raise hero on turn, villain is extremely value heavy here. So unless villain is a complete donk, most villains would not play KQ this way -- especially OOP. I understand that villain did not 3! pre, but hero has stated villain's unconventional play-style.
Villain played it fishy too. Flatting preflop with Kings...and why not just jam the river?
Anyways, hero played it fine... but I think I am flatting the river. The pot is already massive and I want to minimize going broke with bottom set type of hands. That is the problem with entering multiway pots with 22.
Agreed: C/R with KQ after the previous action , on this board, is very likely an overplay, when her hand blocks both K2s/Q2s; -hands that even have to strongly consider folding after her massive display of strength. But, as 22 is the strongest we will ever have here, we have to call down, crying.
I 3 bet 22 from the small blind the other day gave up on turn and riveted a duece lmao
Wow.... this hand shocked me. It's 3 handed with a woman player in SB. The PFR continues on flop. She calls with a player behind her. That player raises & BTN folds. She calls & gives a speech tell. Then check-raises the turn. Hero calls. I agree with the caller, his hand is nearly face up. The chance of me raising the river here is 0%. I see KQ as the bottom of her range, which is a total of 3 hands.
How come I never know the answer to the question in the description after watching the video?
the answer for this specific video would be: her line as played is never folding to a jam on the turn, therefore the caller should have jammed turn and this hand is just a cooler, not even worth calling in.
No, I personally would not fold 22 preflop, facing a 4 bet that makes my implied odds bad, yes.
The implied odds of flatting the 22 is absolutely insane.
I would definitely see a flop, then fold to a bet if i didn't get the set.
I think it was the table talk that was the tell here, when she questioned the raise. "There's not that much money in the pot" and then calls. KQ typically nobody would do that. Every time someone says that, it means what it means. That's my take. This smelled like a rat the entire way.
Thoughts on donk-leading the flop? I'd never do that HU but if sb is a weak player, I think it has merits.
almost 300 bb, not too much to play for stacks?
Hey Bart
Just curious what your thoughts are.
I've been playing holdem in Montana and the law is $800 pot cap. They have a 10% rake $7 max. I've been playing there for 11 months now for 68 sessions and I'm up $12,300.
His thoughts are don’t quit your day job and continue to dabble
What's the stakes? 2/5? How many hours? Lots of details are required here to get a sense of what we're talking about. What do you want to know? Are you good, should you do it full time? How much money do you need to survive?
Do they issue calculators to the dealers to figure out how the max bet changes with different numbers of callers?
Get your vpip up
It's one of the more interesting hands. Great insights Bart.
I don't believe youtube pros acting like they'd have gotten away from their set here. You're missing value if you're that scared of KK/QQ. Don't be results oriented. I may have raised the turn all-in myself. KK and QQ are unlikely: there was no 3bet PF and no CR on the flop. Hero was allowed to call for free on the flop behind. There are more two-pair hands, AK, JT or random bluffs that SB may do this with. If you're folding or just calling down this set on such a dry board, you're playing way too weak.
Hate to sound dumb but what is the secret?
3-bet or fold preflop to a Late Raise and a 1+ caller to avoid getting set over set.
This caller thinks villain called a 5x raise On flop with K8? I mean. I appreciate optimism as much as the next person. But that’s just crazy. KQ is the worst hand villain has. Ever.
Given that she plays unconventionally, that tiny river bet is screaming for a call with a hand that’s afraid to get a fold if she does the standard thing and shoves…especially since she knows she blocks a ton of hero’s value. Combined with her small x-raise on the turn after being check raised on the flop, I just don’t think many opponents would be doing this for thin value with KQ…. This feels like one of those hands where I know I’m probably beat based on reads but end up making the call or worse shove based on MDF and knowing 22 is the best possible hand I can have here.
I’m trying to get better about making the unconventional fold in these scenarios unless I have prior evidence someone is willing to take aggressive lines with small sizing for thin value or bluffs (which is basically never the case in most live poker). Sure, in theory this means I’m exploitable but I don’t think it will happen enough to net out negative
Yeah the caller reasoning is like okay she should have kk or qq because of the preflop action but in case she has it and because she is usually pretty tight id just call to control that lower frequency scenario while reducing my gain if the more frequent scenario, what i mainly think she has comes.
I know it sounds a bit twisted and weak but is it that stupid ?
Hard subject, like i think she more probably has KQ and i could more probably win it all yet she could still slowplay kk or qq therefore im gonna do pot control ?
She probably loses out on value in the long run if she traps in the SB with a hand as strong as KK she isn't likely to get set over sets often and she gives BBs a good price to out flop her overpair.
Should you really ever be playing for stacks with a set?
What is the time rake in this game?
Depends on the number of people playing but it was $10 for 40 minutes 3 handed
The rake at Mohegan sun is 10% 5$ cap. Is that good?
Yes
@@sportspokerguy3506 I was thinking the 5$ cap is actually really good
yep
its standard/ wont ever find better rake
Yes
I would call flop. Let him bet again on turn and check raise turn
I’d got it in on the flop or turn.
I’m putting it in on the turn
I missed something here...Where is the "Reveal/Secret?"
The "reveal/secret" is that all of his videos have the most click-bait titles possible but they're all just regular hand reviews and the titles are irrelevant. Once you know, you don't worry about it anymore
Top shelf analysis as always Bart.
Seriously?
How do you ever even consider folding a pocket pair for three big blinds? Totally insane.
Lot of Regs from Luckys be calling in
8:25 Curious, why are you saying he'll never have kings or queens here? Didn't understand that part
KK or QQ would have been mandatory re-raise preflop
It's a mistake. Bart blew this hand.
Just a cooler. Get all your money in. Coolers should even out in the end.
I love that we're ranging the villain here on hands like K2, Q2 ,Q8 etc. I mean, are people in this room so wide open that we can consider hands like that in a raised pot and not have the talk about someone being out to lunch?
Lucky Chances?
See you tomorrow!
If this was lower stakes, like 1/3 or 2/5, and with the players description of the villain, I would of put her on QQ. But even at 10/20 I don't think a real good player is Blasting Off with KQ here after being reraised on the flop and called to the river. This Player Profile just isn't doing what she did with KQ often. But set over set with No flush of anykind or obvious straight on board? You are most likely getting Stacked.
Gotta fold the turn.
why cant hero have kqo? i dont think thats a 3bet?
It's a definite call on the river because the only hand she can have that you beat is K-Q.
18:04 😂😂1🎉
Poor, poor reading of V hand strength. 😢
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In no way drawing hand nor a top pair would called 5x Flop raise and then x/r turn. So: since it's not a draw, not a top pair, then it's gotta be nuts. To which 3 lil' duckies are helpless. Just get out on turn and never look back.
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And, yeah: Watch your monster flop raise.
I'm curious as to what villain believed was hero's hand when she re-raised the turn?
KQ K8 KK QQ once in a blue moon 88
Turn the volume on
@Justin Hart What was that? I can't hear I have a volume turned off
@@Anandymous why did he call, then?
She put him on 22. It's not hard.
I don't know why people call in with these type of hands. It's just a cooler. Do not pass go do not collect $200. There's nothing to discuss. Stop trying to "figure out" what you did wrong. What I take from this video is that the guy isn't properly bankrolled. Someone playing at 10 - 20 should have enough experience to have seen coolers. I have a gut feeling that this was just TOO much money for him to lose and that he's wrangling with how he can avoid these kind of situations. You just can't. They're very rare but do happen. I got coolered 3 times just today (Top 2 pair hitting set, another top 2 where villain rivered trips and pocket Queens where a random Ace hand rivered a straight). I lost 3 buy ins and I'm ok. Tomorrow's another day.
This is not a cooler.
Never overestimate a set.
3 bet preflop would of maybe avoided the train wreck. UGH
Fold pre
derrrr i play quacks to hit a set but when i do hit the set i turn fgt. woohoo.
I put her on queen queen right away. She's in the small blind so she should be raising with those King Queens as blockers so she doesn't have to play oop 3 ways.
Clues that gave her strength away was :
1)Why is she check calling on the flop and then check raising the turn when the 8 was likely inconsequential? (Only after the original raiser folded no need to fool around just build a pot).
2) river small raise smells of value bet so bad
No body is going to check raise with two pair on the turn.
It all gave a signs of a set.
You had two opportunities to fold and save a lot .😊😂
It's easier to call, lose and then just call it a "cooler". Blame a cooler. It's never me. Always that damn poker variance that makes me losing huge.
Today's lesson on reverse implied odds.
When he said it was a women i knew he was losing to the nuts.😂
He has to jam on the turn
This lady has to be one of the biggest spots in the bay area poker scene if she's playing $10/$20. Talk about butchering a hand and still getting max value.
Just a cooler….
10-20 at LC huh?!
It's technically a 5-10 but they auto straddle nearly 100% of the time
@@PhleetwoodMac 5-10 w/ rock
I love lucky chances! Lots of whales and they Fkn loveeeeee to bluff for some reason there.
Don't play deuces out of position
The caller’s friends saying he should have just called the bet on the river are just being super results oriented.
She has KQ so much more often than KK/QQ and no way is she folding.
Except that she didn't. And he lost. Lmao
6 combos of KK/QQ and 9 combos of KQ. It's not that much more often. Key idea is that the villian is "unconventional", this means KK/QQ is not unbelievable.
@@DescartesRenegade she might be “unconventional” but I’d still be willing to bet she raises KK/QQ preflop some of the time hence those 6 combos are shaded somewhat.
But even if you know they have all 6 combos it’s still a raise because 9 is bigger than 6.
@@joshuakennedy8094 yes, that’s called being results oriented.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj maybe it's not a raise 100% of the time but only 60% of the time.
Guess she’s not that unconventional at all
Bro you need new friends to talk poker with
"He's a good player"
also:
"He continues 100% vs 3b and to xr"
wat
i have lost SO much by calling down my strong hands with the thought 'if you have it, you have it'