SCARED MONEY - What You Need to Know When SHOT TAKING in Poker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, I'm sharing some tips on how to avoid getting scared when you take a shot in poker. Whether you're a beginner or a more experienced player, these tips will help you stay calm and make better decisions.
Poker is a game of risk and survival, and sometimes it can be tough to stay calm and make rational decisions. But with a little practice, you'll be able to take shots with confidence and improve your poker game! This video is all about helping you stay calm and make good decisions when you're playing poker.
0:00 - Intro
0:18 - Preflop
2:45 - Flop
7:23 - Turn
9:54 - River
13:35 - Hero’s Decision
14:37 - Reveal
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Also, thank you Bart for taking my call and sharing your insight. I thought it was a very close an interesting spot and wanted to hear your thoughts on it. I already had a feeling I was going to get bashed in this hand that’s why I tried to add more context to the hand which led to me ultimately folding. I think I could’ve definitely saved an extra 200 on this hand.
Stick to 1- 2 fish
Hey Ian, you did better than I ever could. I can't remember the last time I folded a set. Don't beat yourself up to much, you paid 200 dollars for the lesson, hopefully you learn and will not make that mistake again and move on. Good luck Ian
@@no1ghostriderthank you, it was an expensive lesson. I usually don’t fold sets and usually would x-Raise on this flop
@@Lazy3rdEyeI don’t have a problem with your call preflop personally since the guy would probably stack off with AA/KK if they were just overpairs. Although Bart makes a point that it’s questionable whether you’re deep enough to set mine.
On the flop I don’t hate your check-call if you think he has AK but would fold to a raise.
But in that case you have to get it in on the turn.
Sorry to say partner but Bart said it perfectly - if you're calling with 10s pre and making middle set you've just got to go broke there. That spot prints so much over time it's insane. You made the wrong fold at the right time if that makes sense. As a winning poker player, you must have solidarity in the long term and stop playing scared with such a strong holding
Bart, personally I like when you don't have a reveal. It's very hard not to be results oriented. I'd also like to see an experiment, if you think you could pull it off. Construct two hands, and make them as close to strategically identical as you can without giving it away. Post them about 6 months apart, but in one we are told that hero wins and in the other we are told that hero loses. Watch all the experts say they would have called (when hero won) and folded (when hero lost), even though the cases are strategically the same.
Yes I vote for this!!!
Always better with hindsight
This has been done on message forums with exactly the result you would expect.
The chat on this call was brutal, just bashing on the caller. Always amazed at the poker pros in the chat that knew everything already
This was a great video, especially because caller didn’t play it well and admitted he made mistakes. Meant it was a great opportunity for Bart to do a lot of teaching, which he did!
This takes me back to a hand I played a couple months ago at the Bike 2/3. I had 88 on actually the exact same flop (think it was 2 clubs instead of 2 diamonds though) and with the similar action but heads up, and the guy open folded AK to my flop check/raise. I felt like I had played it wrong at the time but this video makes me re-evaluate that.
Credit to this kid for being honest. If you're scared money and u show that fold..... They're gonna hammer you every chance they get.
Bart, you've blessed the poker community with so much useful knowledge. True 🐏
This area is notorious for tricky trappy OMCs that only 3b with AA/KK. Many don't play post flop well. It is unique to all the places I played in. They will limp with AA-TT, AK, AQ often. Their 3bs are almost always AA/KK. Some expand their range to AK.
The Isles, now Harra's Casino it was tricky trappy city where the 2/5 was loaded with OMCs trying to out trap each other.
I don't blame the kid for being terrified.
Terrified? Come on. Youre playing a game thats supposed to be fun.
I played 1/2 at isle this past summer on a Wednesday afternoon. Average age of the table had over 75. Unreal scene.
@@Duzykutas His words not mine.
@@karsontofte7917 lol... then it got WORSE! It wasn't that bad before.
There was a time in my life when I was stuck between 1-3 and 2-5. I had a small roll lots of life expenses and a drinking problem that made it very hard for me to build a decent roll so I know these types well. I'd say he 3-bets AK 33% and AA,KK 100% the small 3 bet size is used by pros 3 betting IP and OMCs when they have AA,KK especially AA, AK I think goes bigger. Also I see them C-Betting KK and QQ on Ace high boards they're afraid to show weakness by checking or even betting small, this is an old school way of thinking. Turn 6 combos AA,KK, 9*0.33=3 combos AK, river shove makes AK less likely, fold is fine but never face up, this is extremely exploitative and the last thing you want is adjustments. Another thing about check calling the turn, if a Q or J comes you can just shove and win, they never have the straight and love folding face up vs 1 liners.
if you're flatting flop you're jamming turn vs that - the standard play here in almost every game ive played if he leads for $110 you immediately raise to like $285 and pot commit or jam turn, you're too strong to not get value
When Bart says "we're all learning," you done goofed.
When I started listening to you I actually got a lot better at winning thank you my friend
As played I never fold on Flop/Turn/River, but I can actually fold preflop against a player like that since a) I am not closing the action b) I am at best 50-50 against villain c) I am out of Position and d) The effective stack is a bit small to play fit or fold!
It all goes back to logical thinking preflop. If you think he only has AA KK or AKs, then 10s are a fold. If you only think he's betting trip Aces on the flop, then it's a fold. The check/call just doesn't make sense every street. Having said that, I really appreciate the caller putting out that he knows he was shot taking with scared money. We all make the "wrong play" for a variety of human factors and I could absolutely see doing that myself in this scenario as someone who's 1/2 bankroll is getting closer and closer to moving up territory.
You’re saying it’s a fold on the flop if he only only 3! [KK+, AKs]?
TT is a fold in almost any context when UTG opens and +1 3b
UTG is a thinking player and would rarely 4bet a tight OMC with less than KK. Hero will very rarely get squeezed in this spot and if he does then it's an easy fold. It's 3to1 to call preflop. Folding is too tight. Even if villain only has AA and AK suited in his range, hero has 43% equity on the turn.
@@raimanyuh this is the only right answer.
Yeah not everyone is Harry Fuckin Silman!
This is my local room yesssss. Great room btw!
only card in the deck hero isnt scared of is another 10
As an OMC I think that your over generalization as to how we play can make me a lot of money. Studying and improving your game doesn’t stop. Bring it, kids.
You would be the outlier. Most OMC’s are awful and I pay my bills off of them.
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Getting better at PLO8 made me a much better Holdem player and it also made me see the game more like Bart does. PLO8 is a game of runouts and drawing hands being ahead, somewhat the opposite of Holdem. But in this Holdem hand the runout and all the turns that shut down the OMC is the most important part of the hand. Checkraise shoving the flop here is the same type of thinking that makes me often just check/call sets or check/fold top two pair post flop in PLO8. Youve got to consider the possible runouts and see ahead like a chess player.
Indeed it's a big mistake for Hero to just check/call the flop. Because if the OMC vilain has AK or AQ, any diamond turn card or 9, 7, J,... may scare him off. So a big check/raise on the flop, even check/shove becaise yoi know he has good Ace is the best move.
lol clear visors. great call!
Sounds like a good game
I’m the caller, I play with a good amount of OMCs in Florida and to be fair if the king didn’t show up on the turn I was stacking off and taking the cooler. I already put him on Aces or Kings preflop and a small chance of AK suited. I think the only mistake with my logic is calling the turn bet once the king shows up and he continued to bet.
I’m not results oriented, but this was close spot for me. The fact he never 3b a single hand during the first 2 hours we were playing and the small 3b was what kept replaying in my head. With my experience playing with OMC is that they don’t like to scare people out of the pot when they have big pocket pair, unless it’s QQs or Jacks
Also I don’t believe I’m ever folding preflop to this small sizing, unless UTG 4b squeezes me which is highly unlikely since he was a thinking player. I’m also getting almost 19-1 if I hit my set on a Q high board.
Edit: I also see a lot of comments saying to fold preflop. With the logic that they’re never folding an over pair if we hit our set, why fold? 19-1 if UTG just flats. My thoughts were all over the place on this call, I need to write better notes for next time.
Well played but don't show. This villian is probably the easiest to read on the table. By showing you deliberately put yourself in a tougher spot by villians not as easy to read. I disagree with your logic about the K though. If he is as tight as your read suggests, then the K on the turn is a card that should make it harder to fold. He's never cbetting pocket K on the flop 4handed. If he has AK suited and any other card than a K hits turn, then he is shutting down. I play aggressive, so personally when the K hits, I'm going allin against 3 combos of AA and 3 combos of AK suited. If a non K hits the turn and he continues aggression, I'm heavily leaning on folding if he is a supernit.
Fish. Shark bait
@@AT-bw4cmyeah I think showing was what made it worse. I was just hoping he would show that I made a sick fold
An OMC never bets KK on an A high flop, so I think K on the turn was a good card for you.
If you think he can have AK you should just get it in on the turn.
If you don’t think he can have AK you should have folded the flop.
@@Lazy3rdEye After showing a hero fold, people are more reluctant to acknowledge they got owned. If he had a worse hand than your hero fold then there is a much higher probability he would show (to make you feel your not so smart.) If you said you had AJ of diamonds, then you would have a better chance of him telling. People are more likely to tell the truth when they are leaving. In general people lie too often to make asking what they had be of any value. In this case being an OMC that was leaving and his play style matched, I would believe him. The only reason to show in my opinion, is when you want to play meta against that or another player. In your case since you are shot taking and not as likely to make thin calls against tougher opponents, not a good idea.
Come to Florida Bart!!
Limon coined the term OMC? What a legend.
The OMC's I play with don't 3 bet AK pre. They complain about AK all day and call down with it up to about the turn then start to fold if there is no a or k on board
Bart never corrected the caller when he twice said "there are only two combos of AK suited".. I'm counting three. AK diamonds, spades, and hearts. I'm not suggesting it would have affected Ian's decision in real time.
also caller says the cbet was so small . no it wasnt so small it was more than half pot.
This was a fold preflop 100% against the OMC 3bet which is basically QQ+ . "Hero" is lucky he didn't get completely stacked.
I'm getting to the OMC age (late 50's) and still don't play like this. I look at the younger aggressive and successful players for tuning my own game. Gotta be willing to play hands beyond AA, KK, AK, QQ in poker and in life.
Most OMCs limp call QQ lmao, I think you're good
Ya, most actual OMCs are living on welfare/gov. handouts. So that's why they are so tight. Or so I think. Also they came from a different era of the game. And 3rd, variance is something they don't have the luxury of playing out, so they tend to avoid risk.
But these are my thoughts. I probably am wrong.
You don't sound like you will ever be an OMC. Regardless of age.
@@therealjackwhite1523 I play with alot of omc's. QQ is a monster to them preflop. But any K or A on the flop their gone.
Would you please tell me what an omc is. Thank you.
@@NO--BS. it means "old man coffee". They explain it in the video. Usually a male over the age 65.
I’ve officially come to the conclusion to fold preflop against a 3b from an OMC and OOP
Exactly. Sometimes it's so obvious you can lay KK down
Assuming we only raise on Q high boards with a set of tens,.does that mean the odds required to set mine go up. Say to 12-15/1 instead of 9/1?
The old school rule is 15/1 in position and 20/1 oop to account for the times you make your set and lose or make your set and don’t get paid off (eg because V has AK and misses).
I guess if you think V only has AA or KK and will always stack off with an overpair then when set mining with TT you just stack off on any board that’s not A high.
Even K high is fine because he has 2x as many AA as KK.
Bart I’m not one to comment often, but I really love these call videos. They are very informative and I’m pleased that my own line of thinking is pretty in line with you. The second I heard the UTG+1 c-bet I would have definitely put a check raise on the flop. I don’t know if I truly believe the callers story. Seems kind of like he had to save some face.
Which part? Because I don’t see a reason to save face if I’m trying to get honest feedback
@@Lazy3rdEye Your whole call sounded honest to me. As long as you're willing to listen to Bart's advice, and willing to learn to get better, then you will.
I kinda like the fold on river.
Classic OMC plays a two flush flop fast with top set. They hate getting drawn out on
Alex Livingston came up with old man coffee :)
This is one of the most frustrating hands I've ever listened to.
same. you just lose your stack here if he’s got AA. trying to save $400 here means losing a ton elsewhere.
just fold TT to this guy if you’re so sure he doesn’t 3 bet less than AA or KK. don’t put half your stack in and then fold.
The entire hand is irrelevant if the UTG+1 is as tight as the caller says he is. If thats the case then its a sigh fold pre and move on. If he doesn't even have AKo in his 3! range then there's no point calling pre to hit 2 outs out of position (and still fold the hand later)
I ❤ bart hanson
I would absolutely raise on the flop
This young man needs to take poker class.
I’m not sure I agree with the logic that if hero is convinced that villain has AA he should have folded preflop.
He said he was set mining, but obviously he was hoping to hit a T and dodge an A assuming the guy would stack off with an overpair.
We’re hoping to dodge both an Ace and king together. I’m stacking off with only one of them out there
@@Lazy3rdEye so if the K doesn’t come on the turn you would have stacked off?
But V never stacks off with KK on an A high board. Even I wouldn’t do that and I’m far from an OMC 😂
So what hands were you hoping to stack off against on a brick turn?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj Yes I would’ve stacked off. Only 3 combos of aces and plenty more 3 more combos of AK suited. I would’ve been fine with the cooler with just an ace.
@@Lazy3rdEye
I guess I’m just not convinced an OMC bets an A high flop with KK into 3 other players.
But even if he does, that still means 6 combos you lose to on the river vs 3 you beat. So river should still be a call given pot odds?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zjyeah that’s why I was so hesitant to fold, given such great pot odds. The idea that this money was never going back into the pot if I was wrong was ultimately what led to me folding and look for a better spot. If he didn’t 3b and was the original raiser I would’ve piled on the flop.
HHhahaa what. “He’s a thinking player, I’ve seen him fold two pair”
LOL
So you say he should have folded pre if he was worried about AA. what about the implied odds if you hit a set without an ace on the board?
Why is there only 2 combos of AKSS? Isn't there 3?
Maybe it was a bad fold but you have to give this kid credit for having a good read on this particular guy. Obviously you can't always be making those folds to random people. Lol
Thank you, it’s just this particular player I make this big fold to. No one else and I’m usually 4b folding this hand if was a different player type
@@Lazy3rdEye come play in vegas lol 😋
@@Lazy3rdEye Dumb fold bruh why call flop and turn with your logic then?
I'm an OMC myself and I would laugh at him for folding and _lie_ to him after the session.
Lol I was really hoping he would’ve said AK so I would’ve felt like crap
@@Lazy3rdEye I play near where you do and I guarantee I will never show you a hand that I don't have to, including big laydowns, and that I will lie more often than tell the truth in that sort of situation.
And I don't care how I feel. Why would I care how _yoU_ feel.
OTF, other players have more bluffs, repping an Ace.... so hero wants to x-c more and x-r less vs non-omc!!
Folding 10 10 here is a very good read and basically an insult, that's why he didn't show at the table
I think a lot of the players that fit the description of this old man will actually just call with Ace King and ace King suited in that spot pre. They view Ace King as a speculative hand.
Bart stays coming after euros and old dudes 😂😂😂
What's crazy is Ian wanted to hit a set & does. Then he gives away his money & folds.
If the hero was so sure that the OMC had AA preflop, why on earth would he call the flop when the A hits? He's just flushing money away once that happens unless he was looking for the one outer on the turn or river.
Prob thought it was to strong to fold and hoping he has wrong.
@@mrhumble2937 if there was any doubt, he should have raised on the flop and then assessed based on the action of the villain. A few bucks invested on the flop can save money on future streets.
Yeah the flop is where I think hero’s logic falls down.
An OMC never bets KK (or QQ) on an A high flop 4 ways.
So either hero thinks V has only AA in which case fold.
Or hero think V also has some AK in which case calling flop is fine, but turn is a jam or river is a snap call.
Older guys at the creek are so tight. Still in the middle of this video and he has to have pocket aces. They don’t even three bet ace king/queen.
Snap fold preflop vs a 3bet and cold caller when the action hasn't even ended
Bart is right. Easiest flop stack on the planet. Only check calling this vs a 3b animal lag who will 3b sc's, middle pockets and suited aces and 3barrel off.
Easy raise on flop.
The way he played this, he should've just folded preflop.
I am curious about your thoughts on the caller's revealing his hand. I think that if I came to the same conclusion that he did, I would probably have just folded it out and felt disgusted with the board......but, does folding a flopped set face up after passive play make you a target of aggressive pros in future hands with the intention to make you fold out better hands?
Yes.
Fold pre
I'm raising flop obv lol
You are beat here 9/10 times on the turn if this guy is truly an OMC. The only hand these guys 3 bet are AA and KK QQ and AK . 90% percent of the time is AA or KK. QQ is is close to the other 10% and there is very few times you actually see a true OMC 3 bet AK.
Folding 10s pre against an OMC three bet is absolutely plus EV
I'm Bart Zoomed In Hanson
He was nervous on the call. Like he was in the hans You can smell a fish a mile away. " I also run into bad variance" lol all fish are the same
Hey pro, teach us everything.
I miss Limon and his cigars and laughing how dumb people are at PLO.
When he told you you should have called instead of good fold tells me he had AK,, OMCs like to show nuts but they will bluff to using their image, they been playing poker all their life. Set over set is very rare so call every time if you raise on the flop maybe he would fold over pair like KK QQ JJ. Stick to 1/2 for now.
If you know opponent only 3 bets aces and kings can’t you still set mine and just fold on an ace/no set and stack him on any other board with a 10.
What a horrendous fold
Should of ripped it to the flop bet.
If had TT in that spot I begged OMC to take my money
Here’s the thing I can’t go by the callers thinking because it’s so inconsistent
Yeah I apologize I butchered my notes, I wasn’t prepared. I couldn’t organize my thoughts properly. I’ll write better notes for the next call, whenever that is. Tried to give as much context as possible.
@@Lazy3rdEye i try to take notes as I’m playing so I can study spots later and make sure I’m focused on optimizing my play and not on results
@@trampingwithcosmo6848 What do you use to take notes? Any software template or just an actual paper book?
@@conorm2524 I use a live hud app. Pokeri
They wear free hats they have collected along the way.
If you have that strong of an assumption, it’s a fold on turn or even flop. If you don’t, and you somehow assume he will check back ak on river, you better shove the river.
fold pre
if he has AA you pay it off every time here lol
such a painful call, just get it in
What we can learn from this... Even u play terrible, it can be right!
But it didn't make much sense tbh.. If he is sure he have AA, he should fold on flop right..
OMC´s doesn´t want to gamble their life savings away, which is understandable. So they play tight.
Don't think fold pre is outrageous against villain as described, especially in spots where we're going to be in awkward multiway scenarios. I really don't like cold calling 3 bets at all, so I'm probably just taking my chances 4-betting and getting it in assuming that villain should have a reasonable amount of AK/AQ here.
On the flop as played I think we want to raise - the board is dynamic, and yeah we get rolled by AA every once in a while but AQ/AK are in range and those hands should never fold to a raise. I don't even mind jamming flop because the SPR is fairly low and we do have hands that are likely best (think something like AT) or strong draws that don't mind cashing out their equity now.
4-betting TT vs an OMC who’s 3-bet from UTG+1 is suicide.
also not closing the action preflop....
I disagree completely. Most OMC players I have run into in my 20+ years of playing won't pay off when you hit a set. In fact I recently had this situation: I'm UTG with 9c9s and standard 3x open. Button and BB (OMC) call. Flop is 10 6 4 all diamonds. I made a small continuation bet (planning on shutting down if I get called), the button folds and the OMC starts grumbling. He then shows me 2 black KINGS and throws them IN THE MUCK! It's generally not worth set mining against super tight players as they just don't pay off enough.
A couple of months ago I got min re-raised by 82-year-old and folded my KK. I have played with him lots of times and he only 3bets with AA. Another player called him with JJ and flopped a set & stacked the poor guy.
Jesus, I actually feel bad for that old timer.
In this situation, I’m more upset if I pay off an OMC. These guys are terrible for the game, and I hate rewarding them for their style of play. I don’t know if I could fold in this spot, but glad it denied the guy another $400.
He might be old but he ain’t dumb. He did not have pocket aces. I think Bart is correct with AK.
Bro don't knock my visor!
I’m losing all the money…
Honey, and then he tanked for three minutes
The number of times this guy said ‘like’ hurts my ears.
Shot taking $1 k max I have shot took $500 at a charity 2-5 game lmao
I buyin at 500$ as well, 100bb is so playable
@@Lazy3rdEye I mean yeah if you can $1 k I would as well but yeah I agree but yeah $250-1000 is any good buy in I feel like for 2-5
This is such a ridiculously easy flop check raise to $250-300 and shove turn spot. I don’t understand the callers logic at any point in the hand.
The flops a raise jam. I dont even get what youre letting turns come for with flush & 2 straights. Its an absurd raise when the pot is already at ab 350 and ya only got 600 behind. Ya jam here and take the 350-400 if its good. and if not youre ahead 90% of time. There is ZERO reason to make such a tiny raise when he already bet out and the pots this big in comparison to stacks.
this is the danger of making assumptions about players, especially live. You may have seen what, 100 hands on this guy? It's a deadly trap, but easy to fall into when sitting around live.
Wish I could buy his hand! Poor guy probably feels criticised, it's hard going from 1-2 to 2-5, we've all been there, but you have to treat poker like poker, it's not a huge game for your opponents. All of that being said, I am 4-betting 10-10 in the games I play 50% of the time so maybe I am used to home cash games at 5/10 and should just shut up. FFS are we ever folding here, if he has A's take my money.
it aint bad variance , its bad play. terrible every street. if the river was 8s would you fold to his shove? lol.
he folded??
Fold preflop.
There’s a case for it bc you’re oop. Getting all the monies oop is damn hard
It’s old school but whenever I flop it or a mega draw oop, I’m usually check raising all-in if the raise isn’t more than 2x pot
Then what hands are you playing lol
@@mrhumble2937you don’t need to play many hands from the SB when UTG opens and an OMC in UTG+1 3-bets.
He had aa. 100%
1000%
No way i'm flatting that turn. None. In fact, I'm raising it 100% of the time. Need to get flush and straight draws out, and if OMC has AA - he's getting paid.
The old guy was lying…I think?
Every person in the comments thinks they are Poker’s chosen one
Scared money don’t make no money.
Logically inconsistent. Knows he has Kings or Aces yet plays till river.
Stop shot taking if you are playing this bad