Win BIG by Making this Rare Poker Play
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, we'll show you why making this rare poker play can lead to huge profits. It’s all about leading into the preflop raiser.
Bart references Exploit #4 of the Definitive Guide to Small Stakes Exploits which can be found here:
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0:00 - Intro
1:31 - Preflop
2:46 - Flop
8:39 - Turn
11:34- River
16:07 - Hero decision
17:12 - Reveal
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Regarding the comment by Bart that a villain with an overpair couldn't wish for a better runout: you are entirely correct but likely overestimating a random villain. He's unlikely to be counting value combos and much more likely to simply think: "double paired board scary!"
Agreed 100%
Whatever then they fold but that doesn't mean we should miss out on value from thinking opponents
I mostly just check in here to make sure I'm not hurting anyone's feelings with my donk plays so much they gotta ask Bart. Dodged another one. 👍
😂😂😂
Raise
I agree that the jam on the river is the correct play. It targets over pair when we can be almost certain opponent never has a boat.
Players of all sorts, all stakes, are likely calling you off.
GG brother!
Looking forward to this one! Thanks bart keep it up 👍
I'm 100% on-board with all of Bart's comments - excellent analysis in every respect. 😍
I used to play regularly at Commerce casino 15 years ago, and boy, is seems even the average poker players are soooo good now compared to back then.
You're not wrong, the average 1/3 game now is tougher than 2/5 was back then, but the rate of goofy low stakes things happening seems to be about the same. Seems like there are still some terrible players out there but the regs are all much better.
4:37 “when you get money in here and people are folding, that’s not good…because you most likely had the best hand”
I’d say that a fairly sound statement when holding the second nuts. 👍
#themathchecksout
Not sure if I'd lead flop here. If I checked I'd check-raise to 650 on the flop and (slight overbet) jam turn. That would look like a combo draw or pair plus draw.
My initial thought when the V bets flop is they could possibly have all the sets and overpairs and wants to charge 98, 78, diamonds, etc. Then as the hand goes on, as Bart said, the board pairing makes it less likely there are sets or now full houses available.
On the River, I think it is a trivial fold for the V. It was a single raised pot that went 5 ways to the flop. The Hero has all of the suited connectors and just connected cards that hit this board hard. The only bluffs Hero can have on this board at the end might be 88 and diamonds. H doesn't have over pairs cause that would be played different pre, so what are you really left with?
hero can have a lot of 9x and 7x combo draws etc so don't know if it's a great runout for villain AA or overpair as you say, although it's not a terrible runout for villain
I think you played it perfectly sir.
Villain played Aces the way he did because people get shell shocked by pocket Ace’s lol. They tend to play it passively and fold to lots of aggression especially on the river
Villain is pre flop raiser and it’s a single raise pot. Why can’t villain have T9 suited, J9 suited, Q9 suited, K9 suited, A9 suited? We never even considered possibility in a texas game
To be clear, only T9 suited makes it passed the turn, mayyyybe J9 suited. But we still never considered the possibility
Honestly if I had the aces i would have considered folding on the flop. NOBODY check raises light in live cash games. Its 2 pair plus 100 out 100 times. I like the donk lead on the flop in this case because it seems like the villain was in love with those aces.
And against four other players on that board?! Snap fold the flop! Also, raise much bigger pre at this table.
Why is check call a bad line here? Can anyone elaborate. We lose to any 9 any 7 any 8 10 any 66 chop with 8 5 all we beat is an overplay overpay or a complete bulff
Yea i initially though the bet was ok but when you name out those combos im not so sure,also betting ruins a missed flush draws chance of bluffing
98 makes perfect sense raise the flop top pair with open ended I don’t know about betting the turn but he Probably put him in 98 make sense
Bart you have always said that the bet on the river is the difference. If you call the turn you don't have to call a river bet, from your book.
Yea he has always said this and i think it can be ok for AA to call turn and fold here as Hero doesnt give up.Anyway Hero was correct,most people arent Cring on a mutiway flop and then barreling on a bluff,maybe he had a read on Hero,he was a rec afterall,good fold!
He’s not saying you have to call a river bet but that the majority of the hands here busted out so you kind of have to take a stand and call.
Could you ever x/jam turn?
All in on the river was perfect, what was the guy 2nd guessing?? If villian folds he folds, but no reason not to go for max value
I don't like betting on the river, I don't see what hands will call a bet that don't have hero beat, do over pairs really call here that much?
I thought I understood your point about leading when the majority of the field is behind the initial raiser, but then you said this was a good time to lead out on the flop. Isn't it a good time to lead out on the flop when the initial raiser is last or maybe second to last to act?
No watch again,he said its ok to check when the majority of the field is behind the raiser as then they will bet after he checks and you get the CR in.
Bart did say its good to lead out when pfr is last......I think youve gotten confused bro;-)
@@Gos1234567 That's where I'm confused though. Knowing that he said all that, he then (4:45) says "If there was ever a place here to I think lead I think this is actually a pretty good spot to lead." That seems to contradict what he said earlier, where he identified the tendency to check to the bettor, and if the bettor is last to act then the flop is likely to check through.
Had a similar hand just yesterday: I 3bet MP open with J10o on the button and flopped the nut flush on A K Q rainbow. I check/call the villains bet and turn brings a K. I check raise the villains turn bet and he calls and river brings an A. He checks, I check and he beats me with KJ for a double paired boat.
WTF??? How does JTo become a flush on the flop,if it was suited then you would have hit a royal!!! 🤣😂😆😅😁😄😃😀
@@Gos1234567 I had a stroke there - a straight
Had an even better one today - 4bet in position with 99. Flopped a set on a 2-club board. After check raising flop, and Cbet ting turn, the board comes out with 4 clubs: dude beats me with KK with a club...
That raise pre in this game was a huge mistake with a straddle. If you are getting four callers with a 40 buck raise, you have to go to 80-100 at this table. Then against four other players with aces, I'm just giving up with that flop. Or, at least folding after the check raise on the flop!!
well done Caller
AA Pushes All In on the River. Lol.. God I Love this Game.
Over pair can only call as a bluff catcher on the river. Jamming all in is not a bad idea but it's depend who are playing against. If he's a Nit he most likely will fold but against a loose aggressive player he might hero call with his overpair.
No, you jam the river. Just cause he folded doesn't make it bad jam. They can't always call. It would be a lot easier to size your bets if you knew what they had, and how they would react to a jam.
What does he call with?
I was thinking 1K for a turn bet, maybe go as low as $850 but I still think 1K or all in.
poker is a beautiful game
Villain should have folded to the check raise sizing on the flop. Hero had 2 pair or better.
I agree with Bart but the turn sizing is what screws this hand up. So much more likely to call if you commit him more
It seems to me that the problem with jamming is that you are only likely to get called by better. Bart says that this is a good run out for the villain. if he has pockets - maybe - but don’t forget hero has a lot more 9s and 7s in his range than the villain does. Is this a spot where a block bet might be best? $500 bet is more likely to get called and only likely to get jammed on by the nuts...
This was my exact thought. Block bet can get called by worse and even 7x may just call.
Ace 9 ace 7 8 10 even if he has it partially blocked it can still happen.. pocket 7s pocket 9s extremely unlikely but still possible
If you believe you are betting for value you should check raise all in. AA isn't calling most of the time here. It was too multi way. Someone had a 9 or 7. Only boats are calling any bet. So check to see if Villain will bluff. His line screamed over pair.
Shoving all in on the river. The only time I'm checking the river is if the villain limped in, instead of raising pre.
What two pair hands on the flop don’t make a boat?
Well none obviously. But a lot of villain’s range isn’t two pair hands on the flop.
some people touched on this in the comments already, but im pretty curious as to what "i view myself as a winning player" means.
Like some folk 'identifying' as something they factually are not.
C/r bigger and jam turn imo
Ez turn shove with spr 1.3
Lets be honest, how hard would it be from the vilain perspective to bet/fold on the flop and not call or raise the check raise and get sucked in. :)
An overpair ir a flush draw could check raise that flop too 😅
Another note, how would we have played this if the player was a fish ?
"I consider myself a winning player" hmmm
The correct answer is bet super small on river. Like 300-500. Make sure you get paid by overpairs, and induce some spaz shoves from big diamonds.
Wrong. As Bart said, this is the best runout for over pairs. All draws missed.
Ya but people in games like that still irrationally over fold anyway to huge bets when they see double board pairs on mid range boards. (Even more in multiway pots with that kind of action on the flop). But they call bad with overpairs or sometimes punt with missed draws vs "blocking" bets.
Spaz shove with diamonds when there’s no fold equity?
Sometimes. 2023 poker still as bad as ever. Lots of people don't understand the words fold equity. They just have nothing.. don't wanna loose a big pot..see weakness and shove without getting a count.
I think jam on the turn is best move. Looks like a big draw that is committing. Awkward stack size.
That's kinda what I think, but it's easier if the flop raise is bigger.
ITS TEXAS! IYKYK
Also that’s why Villain gets for not raising AA preflop.
Fresh from Fresh and fit was the caller
ROFL!! Not a lot of fans here!
I love leading multi-way here. You really really don’t want it to check through. And you shld be leading small. $50.
First mis step I think is he doesn’t shove turn
What’s the rare play?
Probably betting here with the straight.
The board is an onomatopoeia
I hope this comment gets more appreciation
No, but it is a palindrome.
@@andrewandthecatfives ha ha i stand corrected
Well, with pocket aces, he's hoping for an A A runout, to answer your question. Lmao
I would always shove the river, that river is not scary at all, What could he have? A9? 910? 6s?
98,77,66,8T.Its not that its scary its what is going to call you?Are players always calling overpairs there?
Bart don't ever call the Cobra the bottom of someone's range. The Cobra is the nuts always. 😂😂
5 8 is the cobra? why that name?
i've won more with it and lost less than i ever did with "premium" hands
One of our friends from Northern Michigan named 85 the Cobra and 74 the Mini Cobra. When they are nutted hands in big spots its hard to put people on those specific hands.
Ok, how is this a good runout for AA? Sure diamonds missed but if you have AA, 50% chance you have the Ad anyway, so that's likely not the draw you were worried about. Just about any suited connector type hand (which are the most likely to beat AA to begin with) beats you. Maybe they didn't draw the hand they expected to draw, but they still drew one that beats one pair!
If the double paired board is like J29J2 then sure, that's good for AA but I don't think this board is.
Anyway in this hand, I am probably check raising or just open shoving turn, a single pair board isn't nearly as scary for a straight as a double pair board. And overpairs may call because many draws missed and you could be semi bluffing. River as is, I check fold, but expect to go to showdown and win at least sometimes.
I guess on the flop villain with AA loses to:
99, 77, 66, 97s, 76s so 14 combos.
On the river he still loses to all those hands but there’s only
8 combos.
I guess the question is, does hero raise the flop with 98s or 87s. That would add another 4 combos. But even still, all the diamond draws and other 8x combos have bricked out.
i had s simlliar run out during ydays session a guy called me with top pair and boated up on me
you can get runner euner flush all the time.
so these decisions are just a line, unless you are a fortune teller.
if the other player is loose, i chen raise all the time.
then they call flop and stuck.
Jk
How about check evaluate on the river?
I feel there is not a lot to evaluate here after a check. I could see myself checking this but i would’ve already made my plan to fold against any bet. I like hero’s play though, less combos of boats and overpairs have a chance to call but will always check behind when checked to
No
Maybe he put him on 98
I have friends telling me vegetarian burgers taste just as good as beef burgers 😂
'Running double pairing cards are good for you when you have the 2nd nut straight'
Tell me you have lifetime rungood without telling me you have lifetime rungood...
He just plays against people with tighter ranges who so rarely have straights here
Jamming this river does not fit with a "considering myself a winning player" profile. It's a lose-lose situation (??). No worse hand will call, and no boat will fold! Looks more like a player scared to check/call V bluff, so rather jams to prevent that. It was not a value bet, nor a bluff, so what was it? An Action to prevent bluff!
Over pairs are definitely supposed to call here, hero is clearly trying to get value from those
@@evancassano4046
@@pot_kivach160 this is the best possible run out if you have aces. A check raise on the flop suggests a set, straight (rare, as hero really SHOULD never have 85 here and as 810 is the nuts, probably doesn’t always play as check raise), or a massive draw (but flush or combo). All the draws miss. Combinations of sets dwindle with the double paired board. Aces is definitely a call from villains perspective
He'd lose to me for sure if I played like this and got to the river!
I hate the river jam ...
What could possibly call 1400 with that board texture except a hand that beats you....
Its a losing bet on the river ... how is a double paired board good for Aces!!!! ???????!!!!!
That 9 was a terrible card for the caller..... he could of easily had a 9 there..... pretty much any other card and aa is calling
I'm a punk I check call.
Bet fold < bet fold
I’m surprised Bart prefers betting river vs x/call. V has more busted draws like Axdd than overpairs IMO.
Besides, a random guy is probably not even calling an overpair OTR on this runout.
Therefore, x to bluffcatch seems more +ev.
Not sure i agree,but check fold is ridiculous !!
Revising my first thoughts and now agree with check/call.As another has posted will overpairs call?Betting also stops V from bluffing missed draws,yea X/call better! There are still a ton of better hands than heros out there no matter what Bart says about the board double pairing
All in is a mistake cause you will get a call by full house and fold by big pair. Blocker bet would be ideal. This is best format on TH-cam for poker, brilliant.
Wrong
None of the draws hit on a draw heavy flop. All in is exactly the play to extract max value from bluff catchers.
Hero check raised on the flop representing two pairs or a set or even a straight, why would you call his all in with AAs on the river. Inducing bluff all in is better with block bet. Never underestimate your opponent.
@@aloha270999 the check raise can also rep a combo draw...
@@DescartesRenegade I guess you would call all in with AAs. Well donkey got scared and folded.
AA guys is low level, showing it to neighbor confirms fish 🐠 (look what I folded, I deserve an award 🥇 stupidity)
I just wish the "villan" would have had 99 here, so our ("consider myself a winning player") hero, would have consider himself a great player calling with that premium hand preflop
pf call I can live with. But, Jamming this river was like a ram relying on his horns ramming into a dark moving object, and showing off with it. That's the only reason he called. If he ran into a boat here, he would've never called, of course.
@@pot_kivach160 i dont even know why Bart choose this hand? I would have chosen this hand only if the "hero" was loosing to a boat as an example of garbage hands being punished, which it should be.
This action is crazy. If I'm still in a hand like this to the river, after a flop check raise and five players to the flop, then I boated up on the turn. I'd have all the money here!
@@FreeYourBrains horrible play by this "consider himself as a winning player". On river it is lose-lose situation. No worse hand would call, any better hand will call. There is nothing to learn from it.
A suited 2 gap call the open from the straddle. Then flop a straight, but the bottom end. A 10-8 suited open or call an open is a real possibility. I know I'm seeing monsters under the bed on this hand, but I wouldn't have played as aggressively on the flop as the hero. On the turn onwards yes when villain bets multiway. Betting pre-flop, then leading strong on flop and hesitating on check call signals either Oscar level acting or an over pair.
4:40 you’re saying we don’t have fold equity but there are so many draws that I think we definitely want people to fold.
That is backwards thinking. You don't want draws to fold. You want them to chase for a bad price. Sure, they get there sometimes, but you win more in the long run.
You’re either a winning player or a losing player. Viewing yourself one way or the other doesn’t make it so.
A winning rec who gets lost on every street and can't do math. C'mon Steve, who you kiddin? :) At least you know to bet the nuts.
fold 84c grow up nit lol
The only big mistake here imo is the turn sizing. Betting less on the turn than the river, what year is this? Lol
If we bet even like 850 then he’s not folding the river for 1100 more into 4200 🤷🏻♂️
He had pocket aces?? LOL. Figures, terrible players
puts you on top 2 or top with d draw . when you check raise, or set
turn, bet 35% build pot.
dont check in case he has a flush draw.
actuallyi i would be 800 to pust the flush darww off,
... and uh... uh... I umm... dude get yourself together man!
My bad I was nervous and high
Don’t let these guys get to you man, did a great job, thanks for the call in🤙
Dude, don’t be so fkn bothered. Some folks have a hard time gathering thoughts. Get over it
@@eternalselph No problem, nice call, interesting hand, thank you!
@@connorfitzmartin7458 ty bro
What does “I play 4 times a week, I have a job, I don’t play poker for my income” have to do with this hand. Callers. Just get into the hand.
people's perception of you often comes into play later in a hand. also it took like 15 seconds for him to talk about villain and then himself 😅roughly 1.5% of the entire video but go off lmao
It gives info on the H poker back ground. Info is everything in poker.
@@MrTopherdrew gotcha. The villain knew he played poker 4 times a week, but not for income, because he had a job. And this affected villains play. ✅
He is just saying "I'm a rec and play for fun, so don't go too hard on me if you think I mucked up".
@Brett Mason Media it easily could. I'd call with AA against a pro and fold against a rec. Pros know you need to have bluffs in every spot and that is the best runout for AA. If V is a rec he is almost never bluffing stuff like JTs. Most recs aren't even good enough to bet 85 for value here, which makes the fact he's actually a winning rec player that plays regularly but not for income more relevant. What's your next question? You're whining about 1.5% of a video lol
you can led off, 30%,
because it averages out, if they have no draw, they useally dont call the gturen,
if they have draws, you build the pot, but if the j of d comes, you can be shit out of luck.
you have to be a loose player to bet the turn with a combo draw.
you got to hope he has 76 and bet 777, no over pair
8tj or d kills your hand
your hopeing for 67 but bet 800 for the call
1400 is enough to play next hand
bet 8000 river, he can have 76
or bet 777
lol
Spit it out bro
15:05 .. _why on earth would you ever x/c here?_ To induce worse hand to to Value bet, or to bluff!! Absolutely best play is x/c the river.
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The worst play is to bet river here. (Take a look what happened, if you do not believe me: H shoved and forced pocket AA to run away with his money!!). So, H left at least $700 on the table.
_Edit: betting is a lose-lose situation: No worse hand would call, any better hand will call_