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Ben Seligson (@selishots) a Sony A7iv shooter and Evan Salmonsen (@esalmonsen_creations) a Canon R6mii shooter swap cameras to see what using the other brand is like. Both the A7iv and the R6markii are fantastic hybrid cameras and by putting them up against each other we can figure out which is best for you. In this video, we will compare handling, autofocus, image quality, and more. #SonyA7IV #canonr6markii #photographychallenge #canonphotography #sonyphotography
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Which camera would you pick and why?
Canon because its more comfortable for long hours shooting, beautiful jpeg no need much editing which slow down the process
after buying A7II few months ago for vintage lenses, I would go Sony (well, I might concider Nikon if Sigma release some existing lenses for Z-mount too), just not A7IV or any other camera with flip screen. Compared to more traditional designs from both Sony (A-mount) and Nikon that I own that A7II just feels more natural and easy to control camera. And when I tried A7III and A7IV I must say they are making significant steps to the right direction too. Havent got chance to try Fuji yet, and only very limited time with Pentax (and I completely dismiss any micro4/3 and Leica, hasselblad or other too expensive brands) but I would say that Canon ergonomic is the worst I ever tried. The deeper grip and larger body was nice to hold, but controls, button placement etc, it was just too bad... And even those smaller sony bodies arent any problem to hold (which I honestly expected to be horrible concidering my quite large hands).
@@anupew3276 I agree, I don't like canons button layout.
I think m4/3rds has some great camera it's just pretty niche. I'm a former GH5 owner and still own my G9
Nikon D850 would be my #1 fantasy pick. I just bought a used SonyA350 for the14mp CCD sensor though.
@@413TomaccoRoad I mean if we're talking number fantasy pick I'd love to get my hands on an GFX100ii, a7rv, a7cR, A1, Lecia Q3, Griii, and probably a bunch more I'm missing
I watched this video and thought you had at least 40k subs. Your video and production quality is amazing! Best of luck to you man 👍👊
@@LeviStettler53 appreciate it dude! Trying my best! Every watch, comment and like means a ton!
I've heard really good things about Sony cameras, and have thought about picking one up to have as an alternative/second camera, so this was really helpful!
Love how you guys swapped so you could give thoughts on one vs the other, especially as a Canon shooter myself (EOS 90D). Definitely going to look into Sony still, but this was a great starting point for that!
I think Sony is still the best investment when switching to mirrorless currently, purely because the options
For me, I'll go with canon. Yes, not too many lens options but I only buy native glass anyways so it doesn't bother me one bit
E-mount still has more first party options then RF mount.
I mean if you have unlimited money.
Absolute blast making this with you !!! #teamcanon
It was great! Still can't believe we thought the Sony AF was a bit better.
@@selishots extremely surprising given the narrative !
Sony lens options won me over!
@@Kuzumbyyup nothing beats how many lenses they have!
Thanks for your video it was very informative and felt like a real world comparison. I shoot with a Canon R6 MkII and love it.
That was the goal! The R6mii was nice but I still felt like their pros of the Sony were stronger for me
From the first day I bought my Sony A7IV I installed the SmallRig baseplate for $39 from B&H. This gives you an extra 12.5mm (approximately half an inch) of extension to the bottom of the camera and makes it feel perfect in the hand IMO. Also as y'all both stated the #1. reason I chose to go the Sony route was the 3rd party lens selection. Mainly from Sigma and Tamron. Right now I'm trying to stick with G Master if possible, but I like that I have options available.
Definitely a good option!
@@selishots Nice video. I liked the straight up unbiased opinion from both of you. Good job! Keep up the good work.
@@travissmarion thanks!! Hoping to be able to do more videos like this in the future!
Great video. I don't have either camera but I've shot with both brands. I don't shoot much video and do sports and wildlife more so I am leaning toward the canon. But I agree about lenses and think the 33 megapixel is sweet spot. Both good cameras!
I think if your shooting sports the canon probably is the way to go. The faster sensor read out will definitely be noticed, especially in electronic shutter mode. That being said there's definitely more telephotos lens options at more affordable prices for Sony.
You really can't go wrong with either, whichever you choose enjoy!
Super helpful video! Thank you! I'm a Canon boy but for the sake of price, I think I might just make the switch to Sony and adjust. Seems more accessible for video use too.
Depending on what gear you already have staying with canon could be cheaper. Switching systems is expensive!
Highly suggest renting a Sony first to make sure you like it.
Great video, both perfectly able cameras.
They are! It really comes down to what camera meets your minor needs and wants
on the canon when you press the info button it turns off or reduces the information on the screen and it can be adjusted in the menu which information you want shown on the screen. i used a sony and not sure thats possible. also the sony grip wasnt good. i prefer the sony shutter dial location. im dissapointed both camera brands didnt put 4k120p. i would go for canon tho for the non cropped 4k60p. overall good video!
You can do the same with the Sony, I still preferred the layout of the Sony screen when hiding information over the canon.
In terms of video, we didn't really compare each but based on what I've read I'd much rather have the better dynamic range and less weird limitations then uncropped 4k60. I shoot majority of my work in 4k60 and the crop has never bothered me.
@@selishots your lenses would become less wide and it would throw off your placement if your camera is on a tripod. its a big deal unless you use a non cropped 4k60p you wouldnt know what youre missing. and dynamic range is close considering we can see clearly theres not much diference in photo. if you expose correctly, theres nothing to worry about. usability is a big factor and that crop is a big problem.
@@selishots before we talk about the subject only autofocus which is a game changer in the r6ii and makes the video look more pro as it would never move to the background. that the a7iv doesnt have lol. plus the false colors the r6ii has. the r6ii is just a better overall camera.
@@truthseeker6804 having edited both sets of photos in the video there's definitely a quite noticeable difference between the detail of each camera. I had way more room to crop, and zoom in to edit the smaller details when using the A7iv compared to the R6.
I use the a7siii which has no crop in 4k60 for work and going back to the A7iv doesn't bother me at all. You just need to think ahead and plan your lenses accordingly.
The a7iv also has more codecs, and higher bit rates. I hate that you can only record 10bit with in log with the canon. I've also heard that Clog 3 isn't great when it comes to dynamic range and color grading. It also has a full size HDMI which is leagues better than the micro of the R6mii.
So yeah I'd rather have all the benefits of the Sony if that means a crop in 4k60 that has never bothered me.
@@selishots you cant plan ahead when you have is a 16-35 lens and you want to use 4k60p wide angle, theres NO option for you. you would have to find like a 10mm lens just for 4k60p. lol.
if it doesnt bother you then its fine. it would bother me as i do lots of events videos and also on tripod, you would have to do alot of movements of tripod in limited spaces. and i prefer uncropped video more than extra megapixels in photo, im not a heavy cropper, unless youre doing wildlife and landscape.
if youre not recording log then why do you need high bitrate 10bit, it doesnt make sense. because non log means you want a fast turn around without much editing if at all.
the full size HDMI is the only real benefit you have stated of the sony. but with a camera cage and hdmi lock, it grips the micro hdmi from moving it works as well. regarding dynamic range again, if you expose correctly theres nothing to worry about. dynamic range test are only done by overexposing or underexposing to prove a point. these are not reality, learn proper exposure and youre good.
honestly the a7iv is no match for the canon r6ii. camera vs camera.
I keep trying to figure out if I want canon or Sony and I’ve watched sooooo many videos and it’s making the decision harder instead of easier lol
@@lisazeigler8630 you can always rent both and see if you that stuck on a decision!
It would be so cool to find the same comparison from Video shooters. 🙏 no one make it on TH-cam. These two cameras are what a lot of people are choosing from now.
I think video is inherently a more challenging comparison. There's a lot more things to thing about and I also think there's more personal choices involved
Came here from reddit. Thanks
No problem! Happy to help. If you have any questions let me know!
RF glass is fantastic!
It is, but so is Sony GM glass, plus Sony has so many more native lenses
@selishots Sony lenses don't work on Canon cameras, so... There are plenty lenses to use with the Canon cameras, really, there are...
@@lbeetech canon has the mount locked down, they have gone as far as suing other lens manufacturers for making RF mount lenses, this means great lenses from Tamron, signed and other manufacturers will not be coming to RF mount. This is really bad for consumers, less options means less competition.
Meanwhile Sony, Lumix and Nikon all have native mount offerings from Tamron, sigma, samyang and more giving on options, at more price points.
@selishots My point is this: I am not going to buy any non-native lenses, no matter what the camera brand is. Native lenses work best, period! If you can't afford the native lenses, you can't afford the brand.
@@lbeetech the fact of the matter is that's just not true. Plenty of 3rd party lenses perform just as good if not better. There are also third party lenses that don't have any equivalent first party lenses, for example the Tamron 35-150 Evan used on the A7iv in this video.
I would put money on the fact that if I gave you two unbranded lenses one first party and one third party that you would not be able to tell the difference.
Professionals all around the world use third party lenses daily. If you want to only use 1st party lenses that's fine but that doesn't devalue the quality, performance and value of third party lenses.
Looks like the gripe about lenses is because of the Tamron 35-150. I didn’t like it, and 35 is not quite wide enough for me. On the flip side, the RF mount gives access to unique lenses such as the awesome 28-70 f/2 and 24-105 f2.8. Yes they are pricey, but in the pro industry you would recoup the costs quickly and the IQ is on another level to Tamron.
Obviously what focal length you like is a personal preference.
I will say even with the two unique lenses you mentioned for canon Sony still has more lens options and more unique choice at better and more price points.
I got the R6 II because that cropped 4K60 on the A7IV is terrible in 2023/23. Plus it's much slower than the Canon for photos, and I didn't like the low res LCD on the Sony. It's 10 years behind the Canons. I've got all adapted EF lenses and they work just as well as the native RF lenses, and are way cheaper and have a HUGE selection, bigger than any other system.
The Canon and lenses are also a bit sharper and upscaled looked higher res than the A7IV.
Walked away from both brands for personal photography. Went Leica instead.
I'd love to try a Lecia Q3 but I'd never switch to Lecia as my main shooter. When so many other brands do just as well if not better for cheaper it's very hard to justify
@@selishots Correction: I went to Leica for 'personal photography ', I still use Canon and Sony bodies for work. I just wanted something for personal use as lagging around a 1DX was a pain and I am not a fan of the A7 series ergonomics. But, When I compare my Leica raws to the Sony or Canon raws, there is a significant image quality difference. The clarity and detail achieved on the Leica I can't achieve with the alternate brands. If you think that other cheaper cameras can deliver the same if not better quality then why does Leica exist? Both a standard family car and high end european luxury car still get you to the store to buy the bread and milk but there is still a market for premium luxury cars. Sometimes its about the experience. Rent a Leica for a few weeks and see what you think. I was a firm "Leica is a waste of money " supporter before pulling the pin. I have had mine since June and the image quality, detail, bokeh, shadow recovery is truly impressive. I have been tempted to use it on a commercial shoot but then it becomes a tool. Thats why the other cameras live in their bags until a job is at hand and the Leica follows me everywhere, documenting my personal life and also being very un-obtrusive at venues or locations where cameras are shunned. Again, try one for a few weeks, not a day and see what you think. You may be surprised as was I when trying one out. Cheers :)
If you use 4k60 most of the time like me, then having that 1.5x crop on the A7V is terrible. Plus the rolling shutter and the 22 minute overheating on the A7V makes it scary for event, weddings, music video or any 4k60 style event where you have to run and gun. Other than that it's better than the R6 in most cases. lol.
If your shooting in 4k60 all the time you either probably need a cinema camera or more video focused hybrid like the a7siii or XH2s, or your relying on 4k69 way to much instead of choosing the right time to use the appropriate frame rate. I'm saying this as someone who relies on 4k60 way to much
Cool vid thanks. Subbed.
I love the idea of swapping cameras. I had a chance to try both with Sony and Canon. I'm more incline with Sony, because I don't like where the shutter wheel is positioned on the Canon. Plus, the choices of lenses for Sony cameras is fantastic compared to Canon. Like others have said, you can pick up any camera and get great shots with it. I shoot with the Nikon ZF and I also have the same Tamron 35-150mm lens, but it's for the Z mount. The lens is phenomenal to use for that one lens to shoot with that does not leave your camera body.
That lenses must feel pretty unbalanced on the Nikon ZF!
@@selishotsIt's not that bad. I'm used to shooting with two hands when using the Tamron and I'm used to the weight. Of course it would be better to use the A7IV or the Z8 with this lens, but by no means a deal-breaker with the ZF.
Dope content guys.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I use Canon. I think the lens selection is not an advantage for Sony. I adapt EF lenses and they work great on R bodies. I also think Canon is better rendering for African American skin. Harder IMHO to get the natural look of Canon vs. other brands. Might have to do with the magenta for Canon. The buttons and menus are a big advantage because I’ve shot Canon for years. I can customize the buttons for how I shoot even after upgrading cameras. I have large hands and need the larger body and grip of Canon. Very personal. I told my friend my concerns. He switched to Sony and switched back within a year of shooting. I recognize for many the Sony might be their pick for the reasons I like Canon. Viva La difference.
You can adapt EF glass to Sony as well plus access to all the many native E-mount lenses.
I will agree canon definitely felt more comfortable to hold but not necessarily to operate. A lot of the buttons and dials don't fall under my fingers in the perfect spot like they do on the Sony.
Based on what Evan said Sony seems to be even more customizable when it comes to buttons but I don't have any experience with that myself.
Regarding lenses, yes rf is expensive, but so are high quality nikon and sony lenses...
@@Stan_the_Belgian yes but theres also amazing high quality lenses from Tamron and sigma that are on par or very close to in quality to the expensive 1st part lenses.
Not to mention third party lenses that don't have a 1st part alternative such as the Tamron 35-150
Love this idea.
Thanks dude! Would love to try the same concept with other camera in the future!
Thanks dude! Would love to try the same concept with other camera in the future!
I rented the A7SIII and the R5 and end up buying the R5. I sold my A73 for the Eos R and was happy. I just bought an R6II yesterday. Sony has better dynamic range and lenses which i am jealous of. But My Canons just feels better and make me want to shoot more. If you think of your camera as a tool only you would prefer the Sony. If you think of a camera as you baby (lol) then you may prefer the Canon. My Camera is sitting in front of me right now just staring back at me. My baby. lol
@@presise if you want a camea that makes you want to shoot nothing I've used makes me want to shoot more than Fuji camera. I've used the x100v, x100vi, X-T5, X-T20 and GFX 100sii and man those camera just beg to be used!
@@selishots I will try them one day. Thanks.
We can get used to any thing. Either cameras will work.
Definitely, a good photographer can make great photos with any camera, which camera is best for you is really personal preference
My wife says when I describe me Canon R5 it sounds like i'm describing her. Good at almost everything. Versatile. 3 big flaws, but overall nothing else feels better.
Nah its not canon is oversaturated... its sony screen is low quality... face it hahaha
In person looking after the screens side by side it really didn't feel like that
@@selishotsyea I agree the Sony looked more true to life in person by a lot
Sonny is way better than Canon!!!
Like I said in the video, they both have their pros and cons
Sonny.... who?
This is not how you should hold the lens loool
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Stop advertise for sony hahahaha
Sony ain't paying me anything with only 1.3k subs 😂
nahhh they dont need to pay you to advertise for them... hahaha being a fanboy is more than enough @@selishots
@@mbismbismb I'm definitely far from a fan boy, especially when you consider I also own multiple Fuji and lumix cameras on top of my Sony.
@@mbismbismbselishots is the furthest thing from a fanboy lol . He’s shot with many brands as his main camera through the years lmao
Man those are some nasty skin tones on the Sony at 6:06. The Sony colors have me second guessing which camera I'd rather have.
@@papafrita96 I've got plenty of amazing shots with perfect skin tones. Keep in mind we were working with pretty bland lighting and those shots were after about an hour and a half in below freezing weather so skin tones were always pretty wonky