Chris Broussard & Rob Parker - Kobe Bryant OR Tim Duncan Had The Better Career?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker react to Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan & Kevin Garnett being set to enter the Hall of Fame.
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Why is no one bringing up that Tim and Kobe stayed elite long enough to win all of their rings without jumping to a contender? 15 years between Tim's 1st and last ring and 10 for Kobe! That's like Lebron winning in 2022.
Jalen Davis no it’s not! 😂
This episode had nothing to do with lebron james but strangely you decided to bring up his name anyway, either you are obsessed or feel threatened by the king.
Mark Warner Nope 5 beats 3
and please don’t bring up a role players with rings. only guys who drove the bus.
Jalen Davis Kobe had Shaq... Kobe wanted to leave the lakers at one point. Until the lakers got their act together.
Tim had probably the greatest coach in history, even if Rob won’t consider the spurs a dynasty, it doesn’t matter they were definitely a dynasty. One of the few teams who plays basketball beautifully.
@@ChristianJ18 Best coach ever lost the Spurs the championship in 2013 by taking Tim out of the game, which got Bosh an easy rebound in game 6.
Not talking about Timmy D in 5 years?? Come on miss us with that Duncan name will always be remembered and immortalized.
Best 4 the league has ever seen
Agreed. Chris Broussard is crazy to think that no one will ever talk about Duncan years from now.
He’s kinda right, only true fans of the game will be talking about him much. More like in 10 years the casual fans won’t bring him up in a discussion.
Michael Francis Tapia he’s really a center but okay. KG was more 4 even though KG was taller.
@@mikeslemonade Timmy D played the 4 through out his career
Something that’s never considered is the franchise they played for. In the 53 years the Spurs have been a franchise they have won 5 rings, all led by Duncan. They haven’t even been to the finals without him. Whereas the Lakers have had success with and without Kobe. History has shown that when a superstar goes to the Lakers the franchise will do its part to tailor a team built for rings. The same cannot be said for the Spurs. If Duncan gets drafted by a franchise as successful as the Lakers you can bet he wins multiple rings, but if Kobe gets drafted to an organization like the Spurs can you make that same assumption? How many superstars have played with the Lakers and won a ring? (Hint: all but 1). How many superstars have played with San Antonio and led them to a ring? (Hint: just Duncan)
Correct. It means more when you win with a non traditional power . LeBron's 1 ring in Cleveland means more than anything else he will do in his career. Jerry West is the GREATEST GM ALL TIME .
Bad take
@Milestonecomics bruhhh. You can't say that for 1999 and 2003. In 1999 they weren't drafted and in 2003 they are both rookie and 2nd year. Kobe played with shaq, that help argument for duncan is bogus. The reason duncan had the stability is because he let pop coach( you know many superstars really like to rebel on their coach, one word from duncan and pop can be fired at that very moment), duncan made pop as much as pop made duncan, pop said this himself.
Understand what your saying but you Also have to consider the timing. Duncan came in when Spurs had all the right people and mentors.
@@za4708 I’m not so sure, I mean, before they drafted him they were leaving Texas.
Duncan isn’t like Kobe where he had to develop, Robinson himself said after the first practice he gave the keys to Duncan, he didn’t need building.
Pop is 13 games over .500 without Duncan, let’s not act like he has done anything without Tim.
Bar Kawhi, his teammates have accomplished relatively little without him. And since he retired SA have been mediocre at best, whilst LA won another title.
I'm going with Tim Duncan. Period. I want Duncan's career.
Kobe owns him, so it don't matter
he really didn’t
@@jamesperry6751
Dirk Nowitzki owns Kobe Bryant then based on yo logic since Mavs 4-0 swept Lakers 2011 NBA Playoffs
1999 NBA Playoffs
Spurs 4 Lakers 0
Tim Duncan led team swept Kobe Bryant with a prime Shaq O'Neal 😂
2003 NBA Playoffs
Spurs 4 Lakers 2
Tim Duncan beat a Kobe Bryant with a prime Shaq O'Neal 😂
2003 NBA Playoffs
Game 6
Spurs 110 Lakers 82
Tim Duncan 37 points and 16 Rebounds
Outplayed
Kobe 20 points
After game Kobe Bryant was caught crying on the sideline with Derek Fisher
Duncan better player then Kobe
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 3 > Kobe 2
League Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 2 > Kobe 1
Rookie of the year
Duncan Yes > Kobe No
Field goal%
Duncan 50.6% > Kobe 44.7%
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick
Espn top 10 nba players
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
James Perry Kobe ain’t never owned Tim Duncan.kobe better thank God everyday for Shaq
kuroashi Sanji and swept them in the early 2000s and beat them in like 5-6 another time and every time they played Kobe had the best stats against the spurs even better than Shaq
THE DISRESPECT ON TIMMY D'S NAME IS ABSURD!!
Because he didn’t play for an attractive nba city that’s why if Tim Duncan were a knick or Celtic he’d be adored
@Joshua Mezza stfu
@Joshua Mezza u mention kobe, dirk, Nash, kings and bron and u just assume I'm a bron fan? Lmao how weird is that? 🤣🤣🤣 look at my profile pic
It’s Tim Duncan!! He was a winner for the jump. His first year in the league he leads his team to the 2nd round of playoffs wins rookie of the year! Then his 2nd season he sweeps a 6th year Shaq and a 3rd year Kobe. Wins finals MVP becomes the youngest to win it! Then he breaks up the 3peat Lakers and he’s the Only superstar. He never played with a 2nd superstar and he has more win and accomplishments then Kobe!
When Duncan was in his prime. Tim could take a game if he need to
Game 7 of the 2005 finals he owned Detroit.
And Kobe couldn't? If you were around during Kobe's prime, guys like Pippen and Mark Jackson were saying he might end up being GOAT.
But he could not beat Detroit which duncan did
@@arvidbjoerk5307 they choice to ignore facts
Look at Kobe’s game 7 in 2010
He owned the pistons and I’m from Detroit I was really hoping the pistons would go back to back but Duncan dominated Detroit
Tim Duncan is one of the few player out there who's number actually went up during the playoffs
How can somebody forget Tim Duncan? When you think of the San Antonio Spurs organisation you automatically think of the Duncan era. Flashy or no flashy Tim will always be remembered
@Jozkg he was though even on espn they have Tim Duncan ahead of Kobe so no matter what you say they not gonna have Kobe ahead of jordan
Those Spurs teams beat Shaq and Kobe in 03’. Ended that dynasty. Chris Broussard is such a homer.
Spurs ended that dynasty? Lakers beat the spurs multiple times in the west. Then Kobe went on to create a second dynasty on TD’s watch. Lol
@Jaleel Og Shaq Pau and Lamar have alot to say about that
@Jaleel Og Don’t forget if Ginobili hadnt busted his ankle in 08, spurs win that series. They also waved off Brent Barry’s three-pointer. Lakers definitely outclassed the spurs in 2001, but Shaq was the best player on those teams. Somehow Kobe is one of the best all-time but still overrated.
@Jaleel Og spurs also slept on the tarmac outside NOLA after going 7 games before game 1. A healthy Spurs team would have pushed that series 6 or 7. Kobe shriveled up after getting punked by the Celtics in 08 Dont forget that epic fail.
@Jaleel Og haha keep dreaming. Thats why Kobe fizzled out of relevancy while Duncan retired getting knocked out of the Western Conference playoffs. Kobe is still one of the greats, but he is still overrated. That Lakers 08 team got punked hard. Do you have Kobe’s stat line for that close out game? Go find it
I’m done talking to you if you forgot Tim Duncan
People forget Duncan is one of two Players in NBA History to win championships in three different decades other being John Salley . But I’m reality he is the only Star player to win Championships in three different decades 😎
As great as Kobe is, Duncan is the most consistent, humble yet dominant superstar.
Greatest PF in NBA HISTORY!!! Tim Duncan!! Stop It , Chris!!
Who's better?
Carmichael Cotman Nobody!! Read my comment!!
Garnett is not even 2nd best PF ever. Right behind Duncan is Dirk! If you like Fame, Glory and Drama Kobe is the ultimate Choice, but if you talk about longtime greatness its Duncan who had the better career!
DUNCAN never came off the bench, never missed the playoffs and never had major problems with team mates .
Duncan has more Final MVPs and MVPs. Took over that Spurs team in his first 2 years as the leader.
Shaq wins those same 3 Laker championships, if you replace Kobe with a Carter, McGrady, or Iverson. Shaq won all those FMVPs, and you'll know why when you see those stats. He got double and triple teamed (still dominated) and gave those wing players free real estate.
blackmanwithcomputer Shaq didn’t get doubled like you think and shaq doesn’t make it out west without Kobe and why didn’t he win with penny,if you think ai who was inefficient was gonna help shaq you’re dumb shaq won fmvp because he played the worst collection of centers ever
2 TIME MVP , 3 FINALS MVP and Rookie of the year. At the end of his career TEAMMATE OF THE YEAR. ALL DEFENSE EVERY YEAR
Kobe had to close all those games remember
@@LanceG007 He lost with penny in 95. He won in LA 5 years later, meaning he was a whole different player. And he WAS a completely different player.
Kobe also wins if you replace Shaq with Tim Duncan or KG. Shaq aint winning with Carter the other two we will never know
all I can say that Tim never missed the playoffs
Always had a squad n coach too
"Saving somebody's bacon"....how has Chris never heard that before?
strawhats100 his sources never told him about it
@@jaimethomas8064 😅😅😅🤣🤣
Jaime Thomas lol
Chris just didnt like that rob is saying that thanks to that allen shot, lebrons career was saved.
Chris is wrong. Those Spurs teams were definitely all time great teams. Well oiled machines.
Why they never repeated then Kobe Bryant that's why
SOMEONE EMAIL ROB PARKER THIS - > TIM DUNCAN BLEW A WIDE OPEN POINT BLANK LAYUP OVER BATTIER THE VERY NEXT GAME TO LOSE THE 2013 FINALS!...
kenneth griffin can we talk about Kobe being shutdown by tony Allen or tayshawn prince ?
@@yvans. number say he wasn't shut down by them I tell u what if you ask them is they shut him down I'll bet the say he didnt
yeah I mean IK it's a different sport but the chips the patriots won are kinda spread out as well yet that doesn't mean those aren't all great teams.
Chris the same reason why you say Tim wont be remembered in 5 years is the same reason why Jordan was named the "Best College basketball all time"
SOMEONE EMAIL ROB PARKER THIS - > TIM DUNCAN BLEW A WIDE OPEN POINT BLANK LAYUP OVER BATTIER THE VERY NEXT GAME TO LOSE THE 2013 FINALS!..
@@kennethgriffin7921 I remember that. I can still see him holding his head. First time I heard someone call it a "bunny". Makes it sound like a 3 year old could make it.
kenneth griffin that’s the only thing you can really say about him. He always made the playoffs and has rings, mvps, and stats and the eye test to back it all up
E BO naw Shaq was the one who said he was rested cause Kobe was the one putting on all the work. Tim Duncan has never won back to back. Kobe won 3 in a row with shaq -look at the finals matchups when the East has NO CENTERS and shaq is in his prime. Shaq would have been getting finals MVPs if Jordan was on his team. It’s matchups it’s basketball. Kobe missed the most shots of all time passing some other hall of famer. Ha Kobe has 5 titles and after shaq left he did more with less THAN ANYBODY IN NBA HISTORY. 3 title appearances when Pau gasol is your second best player (no dynasty ever existed with a player of pau gasol’s stature as the number two) pau was 0-12 in the playoffs before he became a laker. MWP made a shot that Kobe assisted. This ain’t ray allen or kyrie hitting a shot where Lebron has nothing to do with the play. Kobe was the leading scorer in that game 7 and had 15 boards. Then Kobe walked out of the game with 60 points in his finale. Jordan had like 15. More impressively Kobe shot 60 times in his final game. That’s something that only the best player on the team is allowed to do and he was in year 20. The man Kobe avg 27+ in Kobe’s 17th year in the nba (that’s like a record or something)
Jeff Samuels the spurs beat Shaq and Kobe though. And thats not doing more with less than anybody, every roster post shaq was 5 deep for the lakers, Pau Gasol is a great player.
“Kobe is a ball hog”
-Kobe stops shooting
“Kobe quit on his teammates”
Exit SMUSH PARKER (robs nephew) and KWAME BROWN - enter Pau Gasol and Derek Fisher
-Lakers make the next 3 finals appearances.
Did he quit or send a message? I’ve seen guys quit before. They quit often when times get tough. Only one guy in nba history who “quit on his team” with 5 titles... stop with the Kobe
slander
Exactly. But people hate context bro 🤦🏾♂️
timmy had better career you fool. timmy only pf in nba history to lead his team to 5 titles! that alone makes timmy better! kobe is a fake mj! lol
y'all dummy Kobe has 5 titles as well 🤨 but he actually repeated. Both world class defenders. Timmy IS the only pf to lead his team to a BRONZE MEDAL 🥉
@@jeffsamuels2539 kobe never won 5 titles without shaq. that 3 without kobe could been very possible! so technically kobe has only 2 championship. in those 3 championships run shaq had mj numbers and kobe was kinda ballhoggin already then! lol. i know a lot of that lakers era since i used be a big lakers fan!!! plus tim has 3 finals mvp! kobe only 2. timmy has 2 mvp kobe only 1.
y'all dummy Kobe won 2 titles without shaq. Name Kobe’s next best player. Was he better than David Robinson, Manu Ginolbi, Tony Parker, or Kawhi? NOOOOOO
Kobe won’t back to back WITHOUT SHAQ Timmy never ever ever did that. Hell he never went to 3 in a row. Kobe’s accomplishes more without shaq than Timmy without his next HOST of players
Whenever you hear someone say “I’m not trying to take anything away from him” then does nothing but try to diminish the things that helps make somebody’s legacy. People are so desperate for people to say they’re right they’ll say anything.
Once you hear somebody say in an argument “I’m not trying to take anything away” it’s a lock that’s what they’ll do down the road if you keep disagreeing with them.
That is so disrespectful people who KNOW basketball will never forget Tim Duncan wtf he’s arguably the best power forward ever come on.
That’s not arguable
Arguably?
That’s arguable. Tim Duncan was phenomenal but he wasn’t better than Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. He was fortunate to have other hall of fame players and coach to actually play with until the end of his career.
Karl was a better offensive player avg well over 20 and 10 each season except his final one when he was injured. Charles was a monster his entire career at 6’4” I think that means something. I would put him number 3 behind those two. I got it he has rings and what not but he is also 7 ft. those final years he played horribly he was a defensive guy but I never seen Karl or Charles get 30 put on them or someone destroy them so defense is a wash. I believe if you put any of those three in the spurs system they would win in my opinion. It’s arguable all three are great but at the end of the day it’s the flavor you want and I would just take Charles because he made others great and he can handle the ball to create his on shot .
@ how is he trash compared to Kobe dude was in the running to win mvp his rookie year was a double double machine and a defensive anchor there's a reason the Spurs literally stayed in contention every year he was in the league
Dude, Timmy Duncan is top5 all time. I dont see how people dont give him that respect besides the fact that hes not popular.
People forget Tim Duncan was one shot away from 6-0 in the NBA finals.
TD's greatness was so consistent, in the playoffs all throughout his career.... it was almost boring, but 5 titles, mvps, but as a story, no question kobe's....both all time greats... kg too... but it depends on personality, if you just wanna win no noise td, but for everything else kobe.. :)
If you look back at the film, 2013 Spurs were running circles around the Heat. Even in Game 7 you can see who was playing better basketball. You just don't see the game being played like that, it's a thing of beauty. 2014 Spurs is an All-time great team. Depth, Chemistry, and Commitment. Ran circles around the same Heat team then.
Basketball lack fundamentals now
@angel paige You misread. I said they are an all-time great time, NOT the all-time great team.
Wasn’t the same heat team
With all do respect to kobe, it’s obviously Tim Duncan who had the better career cmon now
Isaac Daniel nope it’s Kobe by a landslide
@@LanceG007
Nope wrong
Duncan better player then Kobe
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 3✓
Kobe 2
League Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 2 ✓
Kobe 1
Rookie of the year
Duncan Yes✓
Kobe No
Field goal%
Duncan 50.6%✓
Kobe 44.7%
Espn NBA top 10 all time players
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
How.... What is Tim Duncan top 5 in.....
Mic Easy The_Real_BRC ummm blocks, rebounds he’s 6th all time and he’s also the best ever at his position which isn’t even debatable
Y’all gotta stop with the tim over Kob take. Once kob got a co star in 07-08 season tim couldn’t smell the finals until that team run was over. lost to kob in 08 and he actually had the better roster from 1-12 consider manu and tony being hall of famers. People forget tim went 5 straight years of missing the finals and 3 of those 5 was due to kob and his team dominance running the west.
Tim Duncan is Mt. Rushmore period
When we bring up the greatest PF, Duncan's name will be at the top. Yes, we will be talking about Duncan.
It's EASILY Tim Duncan!! Duncan never had a losing season and won 5 rings with 3 Finals MVPs!!
Easy decision. Easy! I rather be the greatest in my position EVER vs being 2nd to Jordan.
Because Duncan never had a scrub team
@@andylee6147 2002-03 season was his best season, no all stars and led them to a ring
@@thanhclips LMAO he's second to JORDAN. Jordan is the greatest ever. There are no PFs that are even considered as GOAT.
Chris must be smokin’ somethin’ good.... 2014 Spurs would blow-out most teams!
2001 lakers would smash that azz easy
Sean Hennsey euh smash i don’t know about that probably beat but not destroyed. Let’s be real how many great teams the 01’ Lakers face in their playoffs road
Yvans I agree with that, is just that Chris said Kobe was part of a (01’ Lakers) team that’s an all-timer & forgot that the Spurs and Duncan demolished the Heat in 2014 by a record margin in the finals.
Lets be real. The Lakers faced cupcakes in the Finals for their 3-peat run,
@@xaviervega468 don't matter look who they beat to get to the finals
Kobe played very well against the Spurs in his career
Was played 1v1 every series bar 08, which to me is Kobes best series.
Flip that bar 08, Duncan was doubled every series he played v LA
You gotta admit you’d rather have Kobe career hands down. And I fw Duncan. But Kobe is a damn icon
agreed the question wasn't about who's the better player (I would still say Kobe though) but yeah it was about who had a better career.
A career goes beyond like just stats...it's also about how you are perceived...your legacy... and Kobe's is just way better.
@@futurekillerful
I would say Duncan better player then Kobe
How you gone tell someone who they rather have ?
You worship Kobe doesn't mean every one else does
@@futurekillerful yes that's what it is. The shots, the injuries, the celebration s and the moments. Kobe easily
Lets not forget about how both players ended their careers... Tim Duncan was efficient and effective up until his last season. Kobe for the last 3 years of his career was a detriment to his team.. shot a horrific % from the field, and hurt his team by taking minutes and usage away from their young players, and also taking the super max at the same time.
Timmy, the greatest PF of all time!
Drake Sarvansky yep. Timmy was a better defender than Malone, and just as good of a scorer.
Drake Sarvansky bro he get on the spurs so he probably at the end going to the finals. The jazz and spurs have many similarities
If you wanna say Malone was a better scorer that's fair, but everything else Tim was better.
Drake Sarvansky Timmy was 1 of the most dominant scoring big men ever lol. He didn’t score as much because he wasn’t a ballhog and he didn’t NEED to. If Timmy went to the jazz? He would’ve scored more points, and he still would’ve had a elite PG in Stockton to get him the ball......
Drake Sarvansky you can’t assume that. Malone was a great scorer but he didn’t effect the game like Timmy did defensively. Timmy was DOMINANT defender, the spurs wouldn’t have been a great defensive team like they were if Malone was there instead. But the jazz would’ve been a different team defensively because of Timmy. And he still would’ve also gave you dominant offense...
Tim Duncan. Consistent leader and great teammate.
love the comments, finally Timmy Duncan getting his due.
Now if the clown show at First Take would be honest and say the same thing.
First Take did this debate twice. Stephen A Smith said Kobe the first time, then switched up and said Duncan the 2nd time lmao.
Even though I’m A Ko8e Guy!!
Timmy D is 2nd to none!! I give the silent killer all the Respect ✊🏿
I’m just A Laker fan and Ko8e is my Favorite player ever
Kobe also has more wins when the lakers and spurs matched up...
How many times he was actually their best player ? Only 1 times and Kobe beat the spurs so I give you that but why acting like shaq didn’t existed
That's true but that was mostly early career when Lakers used to beat up on spurs but yeah lol I remember that well because I used to hate Kobe (because he was so damn good and clutch) and loved Duncan. I Used to be so mad lol it was fun
@ shaq won the championship in 2006 and made it to the finals during the 90s
Charles Cooks you mean wade carried him in 2006
@@yvans. look up the stats...
As a whole, the stats are super close, championships are a wash, but I would go with Duncan. Duncan is the ultimate team player, his team was a factor every year, and he never had one single on or off the court issue. To me, those are the main differences. Now, if you're more into bling, brand, and style over team continuity; then Kobe would be the obvious pick. Having said that, they're two of the greatest players of all time and I would never shun someone for coming to a different conclusion than me.
So nobody wants to talk about how the Memphis Grizzlies beat the spurs as a 8th seed in 2011. But we just wanna talk about Kobe quitting on his team after the media bashed him for taking too many shots. GTFOH
2004- running shaq out of town
2005 - missing playoff
2006 - quitting on his team
No one also doesn’t want to bring up how the same spurs team lost to the Dallas Mavericks in 09.. and in 08 Kobes lakers beat the spurs but all people want to talk about is “Shaq”
ante edling kobe didn’t run shaq out. Lakers didn’t wanna pay Shaq. In 05 what help did he have in a competitive western conference. 06 y’all sayin I’m shooting too much ill show u what happens when i don’t shoot.
No one either mentioned that Duncan have 2 league MVP to 1 et 3 Finals MVP to 2.
I'll mention Duncan had a 12-18 overall LOSING record against Kobe in the PLAYOFFS and went 2-4 against Kobe in playoff series.........not to mention Kobe leading the Lakers in scoring AND assists 5 out of the 6 playoff matchups between the Lakers and Spurs.
In my opinion, Tim Duncan had a better career than kobe's career. Duncan won 2 back to back mvps. He won 5 almost 6 championships, had he gotten called for a foul against the heat in 2013 in the Nba finals as well as ginobli being fouled. And honestly in my opinion, Tim Duncan also has a case to be considered the greatest player of all time.
People like to discredit kobe's 5 rings by saying he had shaq in 3 of em, but why people never mention the fact that kobe had 2 rings without shaq while shaq had 1 without kobe
Because people factoring Shaq age during those time. That like people saying Kawhi better than Bron when Kawhi is 28 and Bron is 35.
same way they don't take away magic and kareem rings for having each other, or bird for his multiple hall of fame teammates
It works both ways. Shaq would not have won without Kobe either, and vice versa. But Shaq was the MVP in all three. Thats why he gets most credit
What are you talkin bout 😂 Shaq have 3 finals MVP carrying Kobe bruh
Kobe basically had 2 with shaq because the refs rigged on for em.
Rob keeps mentioning Kobe in 2005-2007 years as playoff success but The Spurs lost as a one seed in the first round to the 8th seed Grizzlies, swept by the suns in the second round in 2010, lost in the first round to Dallas in 09 and lost to kobe in the WCF in 5 games as a defending champion 💆🏽♂️
Lakers got SWEPT in 2011 by Dallas, they had Phil Kobe Pau Odom Bynum Artest Fischer
Dallas had old man Dirk, JJ Barea and Peja lol and Jason Terry
Here’s the thing for me: Tim Duncan has more individual accolades than Kobe.
1 more league MVP, 1 more finals MVP, more all-defensive team selections than anybody in history.
And he got them in a much less selfish team, that made the playoffs every year he was there! LeBron couldn’t say that; Kobe couldn’t say that; Tim and MJ could.
Timmy got more regular season MVPs and more final mvps.
we all know kobe was robbed of mvps they should have the same amount at least and shaq got the finals mvps but kobe was no scrub back then
@@hectorvelasquez9635 What year did. Kobe deserve MVP? You can argue 06, but you can just as strongly say Chris Paul or KG deserved 08.
@@hardwoodthought1213 in 2006 when steve nash won it. kobe led the league in scoring averaging 35 a game and carried a very bad lakers team to the playoffs. meanwhile nash averaged 18 and 10 and won
@@hectorvelasquez9635 Stats aren’t everything, the Suns were without STAT and everyone thought they’d lose 25:30 more games than the previous year, with Shawn Marion as their second best player Nash helped them to a 54 win season, but I agree Kobe had a good case for 06. But so did Dirk and LeBron.
Do you think Westbrook deserved his MVP in 2017?
@@hardwoodthought1213 sorry for the late response but kobe averaged 35 ppg and was all defensive 1st team that year and he took that team to the playoffs. steve nash has a good case i agree but kobe for sure should have gotten it in my opinion
on the westbrook mvp. i can see his case but harden should have one it. he was averaging the same as westbrook but westbrook has 2 more rebounds and harden was leading the rockets to a higher seed. so in my opinion i think harden should have gotten it over westbrook but i can see why westbrook got it
Barkley over Duncan? Smoking rocks ain’t it. You can’t put Duncan down just to elevate Kobe Duncan is top ten of all time in any position
Deric Harris a lot of people have made the Barkley argument though
lance garrison Barkley is one of the greats but this is Tim Duncan we talking bout.
lance garrison I will give u this I just looked it up barkley has the advantage in numbers points assists and rebounds
because Barkley's career avg was 16 seasons compared to
Duncan playing 19 seasons while also playing in the slowest paced era as well, Duncan statically is better than Barkley
N8ve Jay Duncan did nothing his final years though and there was games he went without getting a rebound
saving someones bacon is known worldwide. Lol come one. We say it all the time in Australia
If Kobe didn’t have the rape accusation this would be a different story.
Yup. It'd be like comparing MJ and Duncan.
Timmy is the best ever in a position that wasn’t even his natural one. He was and is a center masquerading as a power forward and he smoked all the 4s in history. That’s how great he is.
What was David Robinson's averages in 2003? 8 PPG. 6 RPG. And 1 BPG. Yeah. that's a lot of help. What were Shaq's averages from 2000-2004?
Exactly, I hate when people just throw our names as if you play like an all star your whole career. 03 is next to 94 Hakeem as the biggest carry job ever.
If you’re just going by names Kobe once was the 9th seed playing with Nash, Gasol and Howard. People always give context when you mention that but never how bad Robinson, Parker and Manu were early/late in their careers
03 duncan was a masterpiece
Kobes iconic moments- 81 points, lob to shaq, buzzer beaters, 60 Pt in last game, out scored mavs by himself in 3 quarters, amazing dunks/shots, household name on the tier of jordan/Messi/Ronaldo/tiger/Lebron
Duncan- crickets.........
Euh no kobe was just a bigger brand that duncan but all of that has nothing to do with their respective career
Duncan's Iconic moments, getting robbed of a quaduple double in the 2003 finals, being the all time blocks leader in the playoffs, winning a championship in each of the last 3 decades. Tim has made plenty of buzzer beaters too.
bigboner23 Duncans highlights include his all his winning seasons, 5 rings, more finals mvps, and more league mvps (while going against shaq in his prime). Both are legends so don’t disrespect Duncan like that.
Tim Duncan’s career is even better than Lebron’s
5 Rings, 3 Finals MVPs and was a really important part in the last 2.
5-1 coming from the West!!!!!!!!
Duncan over Kobe and Lebron every Day!
Bron has more mvp and fmvp than Duncan so…
Listening to This Make me Think Tim is so Underrated SMH. Just Because We Show Nobody like Tim doesn’t make him not Great. It make Him Special Same with Kareem who Help Magic get 5 Champions so is also underrated. We will Think of Tim Duncan Because he is the Best PF of All Time.U can’t Say That About Kobe as a Shooting Guard.
You're right but there also isn't any Pf as freakishly athletic or dominant like Mj in that position. You can't use that against kobe about him not being the greatest sg. I personally like charles barkley over Tim because of his size. But that's just my opinion. Tim has 3 finals mvps and Charles has none.
Pookie CROW 3 Time Finals MVP??? STOPPPPPPPPP
tim was definitely underrated even if he was the best PF
Because Tim Duncan wasn't flashy didn't say much gets ignored he easily could have avg 30 multiple years didn't need to because he was the ultimate team player
Eddie Rivers whatever excuse you make facts is he didn’t average more points score more or have any great single games like kobe kobe is wayyyy better period it’s not even hard at all three peat and two peat vs never back to back great duo vs loaded team too to bottom but he lacks production and wins compared to all time all time he’s the best power forward because of totality but on skills alone he not even top 5 at his position and you know it
Duncan won 4 (maybe 5) rings as the best player on his team. Kobe has two.
Chris Campese then why don’t he have 4 (maybe 5) finals mvps 🤔 all I know is Kobe OWNED Tim Duncan in the playoffs 🤷🏾♂️
Shaq never won before kobe
Stop it...parker and ginobili were more important for the latter stage of his career...not to mention Kawhi....he had stacked teams too, and he just was not a better player than kobe period....ask players who was better and you’ll see it’s not close...Kobe was the closest thing to jordan and had the superior career
Arturo Lara actually Lebron is the closest to MJ. I loved Kobe but the idea that he’s the 2nd best ever behind MJ is blasphemous
How is he the closest thing to mike, if you had the same amount of finals loses, then mj had rings ???
One thing they got in common is Robert Horry saved both of they asses..
This is true
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Rob is right if Tim played his career in New York he’d be the goat
Is Tony Parker manu and the crew going to be there?
And would have never won a damn thing
Sony Orelus Tim won a chip with a rookie manu and sophomore Parker. Jus stop
Sony Orelus Kobe without gasol would’ve been a constant first round exit lmao. And he blew a 3-1 lead in 06
@@indmslikedeez8005 did you see the team kobe had in 06 lol
Duncan never even repeated... SMH
He never missed the playoffs either Kobe missed the playoffs several times.
Todd George shaq won all 3 finals MVPs Kobe always needed a good big man
@Telly Delucca y’all just keep ignoring that Kobe had Shaq. That IS a huge deal
@Telly Delucca dude tony parker has winning record in the playoffs again lebron. Do you think he is better?
Steph curry has winning record again lebron, do you think curry is better?
I'm 35 and I've heard the phrase plenty of times
Gimme Tim Duncan's career. More league MVPs & finals MVPs. Not only did he NEVER miss the playoffs, he never won less than 50 games. He also was an instant success while we know Kobe's struggles at the beginning. He had no legal issues either. ALSO PLEASE REMEMBER THAT TD HAD YOUNG KOBE ON THE BENCH IN TEARS. Water flowing from the eyes lol.. Gimme Duncan's career.
You can’t be called a ballhog if you playing with smush Parker Kobe had to do what he had to do
He was also playing with kwane brown and chris mihm and still took them to the playoffs lol Tim Duncan played in the same system, had great teams and had the same coach for his whole career!! If Kobe had those same things he would have more than 5 rings
Factz. Alot of people don't know the difference between a ball hog and a leader.
Devon he was a ball hog, a leader makes your teammates better an or had them believe they’re better than what their really all. All Kobe did was ball hog and take all the shots. They was able to make the playoffs because of Phil’s system and him able to control Kobe. No Phil, Kobe would shoot you out of games.
@@judahmourneth3211 SO BALL HOG TOOK HIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFF LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO EVEN BETTER
The irony in Rob's statement is that there's no guarantee that Duncan would've gone 6-0 in the finals. Had they won in 2013, the Heat may have used that as motivation to avenge their loss. The Spurs used their embarrassing collapse to fuel their desire to win in 2014.
But duncan had the better career
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Championship Boxing Duncan had a better career than LeBitch too 😂😂
Did you not hear Broussard say that?🤣
I disagree. There's no way that heat team stays together if they lose those finals. That would've made them 1-2 in finals in 3 years. Riley would've traded 1 of them prolly Bosh lol
Would you stop hating on LeBron Rob....DAMN I’m sick of it 🤦🏾♂️
No he cant cus LeBron is a diva and this is a mans game...divas can go play with the women in the WNBA where nobody cares
@@Grimmes12 how is he a diva?
@K Dub what bs?
@@dionpace22 idk how is ice cold and fire hot smh
I could careless about the Lebron hate, I mean that guys practically intolerable. But it’s the Brady hate that’s just ridiculous
Duncan had a better playing career by making it to the playoffs every year and having Pop the entire ride, while Kobe had the better iconic career by playing with Shaq and Phil, scoring 81, winning two without Shaq, and playing with finesse
Why is this a debate Tim Duncan has way more accolades in the NBA and overall basketball with college Timmy D is just the underrated superstar of all time...
Bringing home the bacon is a phrase for making money/working so saving someone's bacon is like saving someone's career or job
Chris knows that
Lebrontards just be acting bran new
kobe is a better player than duncan bc of his skillset and ability to do more than duncan, kobe's ability to shift the defense with multiple help side defenders still be able to score thru them while being able to hit his open teammates thus being able to bend team's defenses to a will
but that wasn't the question of who is a better player......who had the better career...big difference.
OG James kobe wasnt a team player and thats why he didnt have more stars wanting to play with him or win more championships
oqihouqiop okay but he was a still a great overall player and one of the greatest all time but bc he wasn’t a “team player” in your eyes but whatever stupid reasons shows how much of a casual you are, and that’s not on him to bring stars in that’s on the front office and management
Deep Mind X and it is arguable that duncan is the best at his position ie kevin garnett, karl malone & barkley
Deep Mind X what does that matter? steph can be the best pg in the nba but there are still multiple small forwards in the league better than him. why does being the best at a position matter? the better player is kobe, the better career is kobe
the one time I agree with rob parker tim duncan over kobe
yeah i was rolling my eyes before watching the vid thinking Rob would certainly go with Kobe. being a lakers boy
Kobe had shaq for 7 years...... Tim had Ginobli, Parker and Greg for his whole career... if Kobe had Gasol and Odom their whole careers I think he would’ve been just as fine.
Gasol nd Odom Sux bro ...
Lol Ginobli and Parker wasn’t even there when Duncan won his first chip
J Smooth 41 oh... I forgot he had someone better, David Robinson 😂 in a ... LOCKOUT season.
Hipsterboi Wavy okay casual..
sorry, idgaf. The same lockout season where Kobe still had Shaq 😂. So why they ain’t win?
Kobe in a close race. For what he was able to accomplish without college, was amazing!
Nope. Its Tim
@@vijays6911 yeah if you want to fall asleep!
Rodney Mclin nothing to do with who’s got the better career with are not here for fanboyism
I cant overlook Rob coming at Duncan lowkey about wearing sandals 😭😭💀💀💀
Hahahahahaha lowkey diss
TD the greatest at his position but we won't be talking about him in 5 years? 😂😂 Chris Broussard STOP IT! And that first caller should get the fart sound
Tim Duncan was a winner in every level, can you imagine Tim Duncan playing with magic or oscar Robinson like Kareem did
You say that, but people aren't talking about him NOW. They always forget. He hasn't been retired for 5 years and people don't even rank him. Personally I have him above Lebron.
The Inktician he didn’t play in Los Angeles, New York, Phyllis, Boston or Chicago
Both Chris and Rob make good points. This is a tough one. I am not one for the flashy but Kobe’s all round game and importance stands out. However, Tim’s importance to his team was just as strong. Duncan was arguably the best player on his team the 5 times they won the championship. Tough call. I like Duncan’s importance more, but Kobe’s resilience and ability to bounce back from adversity was incredible. I think I would take Kobe’s
I watched both of them play. I give Kobe the edge because at his position, he was able to deliver more spectacular basketball plays and moments. Tim Duncan just didn’t have Kobe’s range.
SOMEONE EMAIL ROB PARKER THIS - > TIM DUNCAN BLEW A WIDE OPEN POINT BLANK LAYUP OVER BATTIER THE VERY NEXT GAME TO LOSE THE 2013 FINALS!!!!
Kobe and it ain't close. Going to 3 straight twice is all u need to know
The Lakers great teams did that.
Lol sure thing, bud.
NUT W3ST yes, that’s quite a feat. But remember that TD has never had a losing season while Kobe has. TD maintained more consistency while Kobe had higher peaks (and lows). It could either way but for me it’s TD.
@@heels4lifx Kobe played with 2 all stars (Shaq and gasol) for his 5 rings. Duncan had Robinson, Ginobli, Parker, Kawhi and had the same coach and GM his entire career. Not Kobe's responsibility to put together rosters etc. Duncan was NEVER the best player in the game
@@mikeslemonade Shaq and gasol, name another all star?
I would take Tim Duncan's because of the longevity of their consistency. Kobe had higher Peaks, but Duncan was always in the mix every year. He had his whole career in the playoffs.
He had one coach, which is arguably the best in basketball. Back to back MVPs with one in a title year. He stayed under the radar with media exposure and was the best teammate. Duncan was loved by damn near everybody he has played with and against.
Called a gentlemans sweep chris
I don't remember Duncan missing the playoffs.
I don't remember Tim being the second best player on a championship team save for 2014.
Sorry, Tim was solid.
Tim Duncan never missed the playoffs... And although I love Miami Heat, Duncan should've beat them and been 6-0. But I love them both because 81 is 81.
He didn’t just missed the playoffs, his numbers in playoffs history are better than any other players in playoffs history
Duncan is a coach / owner's dream player. Always won, always played great defense and scored when his team needed a bucket. Should have been 6-0 in Finals, etc. Won despite being in a smallish market and not attracting star players. Kobe got Shaq and Gasol to come to LA..... Duncan - the quiet assassin hands down.
Timmy!
Look at Kobe mann, so inspirational
and duncan wasnt?
trent dubs im just paying my respect because he passed dude relax.. Duncan was great as well
@@RBOContent my bad i assumed u only thought kobe was.
trent dubs u good 🤝 I subbed by the way
Kobe was the greatest shot maker of all time and had zero weakness...how is simple timmy better? Because he ALWAYS had a great coach and ALWAYS had a great supporting cast. Kobe had bums for at least 10 years...
Yeah Phil Jackson was a trash coach. Get outta here
Finals Mvps at 3 rings
Jordan 3
LeBron 3
Duncan 3
Shaq 3
Kobe 0
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 3✓
Kobe 2
League Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 2✓
Kobe 1
Rookie of year
Duncan Yes✓
Kobe No
Field goal%
Duncan 50.6%✓
Kobe 44.7%
Duncan better player then Kobe
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg on 36.7% fg and 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg on 61.1% fg and 16 rpg
Let's act like Kobe Bryant didn't have help coming into career til he ran Shaquille O'Neal off
Bleacher report top 50 Best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe had Phil Jackson, and was in one of the greatest teams ever the 2000-2002 lakers
Deshawn Allen and Bleacher Report is wrong. If we went solely off of the numbers Kareem would be #1. TD never played on a mediocre roster in 19 seasons. That plays a big part. Shaq won’t the finals MVP’s but go back and look at their numbers in the west finals (who were their toughest competition those years). Kobe put up big numbers
Deshawn Allen Deshawn Allen Ruben Jimenez Jr. the years with Shaq they played San Antonio 01-02-03 and Kobe avg 36 28 33 ppg in those 3 series leading the lakers in scoring so that having shaq argument is dead. The only time shaq was the overwhelming better player was the 2000 finals which was Kobe first and if you wanna hold that against him LBJ first finals numbers ain’t good either champ. You really brought up FG% between a guard and 4/5 fam you can’t be serious Kobe game was played on the wing 85% of his shots will be jumpers compared to a 7 foot guy playing 10 feet away from the basket.
Straight to the point it's about finals MVPS
Kobe, both of them almost have achievments in the nba but talking about whole basketball career we should include the olympics which Kobe have 2 gold medals and Duncan had bronze lost to his spurs teamate Manu.
Patrick Tongol I completely agree with you. I don’t know how you overlook two gold medals. People should take that into consideration, if it happened on the basketball court it matters and people should care.
KobeBryant ThanosStopper 2004 usa olympic basketball team record was 5-3 and suffer the worst loss in USA basketball history, then it should be matter. 2008 olympic was called the redeem team because of that, they won the gold and never lose a single game when kobe bryant is in the line up. His record is 26-0 in both 2 olympics and fiba.
@@patricktongol452 duncan still had a better career.
Kobe career record in the playoffs vs Duncan 😎 Kobe wins!!
homie said barkley over duncan n they hung his ahh up 🤣🤣😭😭😭
Matthew Porter Jr. Ong 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭I was like how are you 60 sayin that barkley was better than DuncAn when barkley said out of his own mouth that Duncan was better than him
Also when compared to Kareem , I also say Duncan was better . Kareem played with the best 2 point guards all time OSCAR and MAGIC . Wilt was better than Kareem. Some say Olujuwan , Russel and Shaq were better centers. No argument at PF. Duncan was the Best
@@parkerxjr well how did he get 6 mvps
@@ramzyy5362 The point is you have to be the best player on your team and the best player at your position to be in that conversation .
He's high!
TD was great, but Kobe was better. Lots of people mention Tim's consistency, and therein lies one of the reasons I think Kobe was better. He had more weight to carry. Tim enjoyed more consistency because he played in perhaps the most consistent organization ever.
Tim had the luxury of playing for ONE hall of fame coach, alongside several hall of fame players his entire career. Kobe played for an organization that was hot and cold...sometimes played with great players, sometimes played with bums. Had some years with Phil Jackson and had some years with bum coaches.
Both were great, but Kobe finished with the same number of rings playing for a wildly inconsistent front office.
Kobe, for the win.
More weight to carry than Duncan... they were about the same. Those spurs in 03 were carried by Duncan alone 🤦🏾♂️
The Spurs were consistent because of Duncan, just like the Lakers were inconsistent because of Kobe. Duncan didn't run Parker and Ginobili out of town; whereas Kobe ran Shaq out.
lnapjr76 also Kobe finished with the same number of rings because of Shaq 😂
@@gordonramsay7854
I love Shaq (most dominant big outside of Wilt), but if you don't understand Kobe's frustration with Shaq, you didn't pay attention. Shaq was great another one or two years after leaving the Lakers. He was not willing to work hard to stay in shape.
@@yvans.
Yet, he won another 2 rings without Shaq and competed for another one. 🤫
Make noise,win and you will be recognized. TImmy the silence Goat.
If I’m coaching my son I want him to be like Tim if I’m coaching someone else’s son I don’t mind if he’s like Kobe. I’m not sure what the hell I mean but that’s the thought that popped in my head.
Kobe. Respect to Tim though
TD NEVER had a losing season or missed the playoffs
nuff said
His team nvr split up
The Lakers split 3 to 4 times with Kobe over 20 yrs
And they both have the same amount of rings
To me it's just potato/pototo
TheBmills415 it was his fault why
@@JRoyal504 no it wasn't.
@@atlien1988
To split up and still tie Duncan to me speaks volumes
@@JRoyal504
It's alot of players who've bounced around or split up teams and don't have half the resume of Kobe Bean
from the year he entered the league to pretty much the year he retired, you knew the team Tim Duncan was on had a legit chance to win it all. that cannot be said for any team Kobe is on. give me the guy who I know gotta chance to win every year.
Kobe
Tony parker is the 2007 finals mvp
He shouldn't be.
Such an unfair question. Both had amazing careers.
Kobe's boyfriends hate when people actually look at his career and compare it to others cuz all of their emotional arguments go out the window
Respectfully disagree that it's unfair. I agree that they both had amazing careers worthy of a salute. I actually think then greats like it when we compare them (with tact), just another form of competition.
Black Sheep exactly, all of its emotion and narrative based. They talk about him like he’s magic Johnson now
Never missed the playoffs
illmilfinestke always had good teams
Kobe easily. Kobe was a better Player and he's in the Goat conversation. Kobe is 3rd best Player of all time. Kobe is a Legend. His name will be mentioned forever. Kobe 3 peated and then won back to back.
Kobe 2 X Olympic gold medalist 🏅🏅
Tim Duncan, 3X gold medalist 🏅🏅🏅
Save your bacon. A well known saying for years.
This dude said he would take Barkley over DUNCAN!!!! I almost drove off the highway!!!!
Lol
Rarely I mean rarely I agree with Rob but ain’t no question Duncan had a better career and was a more impactful player for his team than Kobe.