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- Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman debate who had the better NBA career between Los Angeles legend Kobe Bryant and San Antonio Spurs legend Tim Duncan after both were selected to the 2020 Basketball Hall of Fame class.
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ESPN when Kobe died. “ let’s stop comparing and appreciate greatness”.
Drew Davis they should have did that when wilt passed
It's been 2 months now the weeping is over
Ong
@@michaelcnorth1982 Exactly.
Michael C North I’m not saying it’s not over. Just saying espn is being very hypocritical
Molly: Who had the better career- tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant?
Paul Pierce: Thats easy, Me!
😂😂😂
Yousef Bazzi 😂😂😂
Me: Who likes telling old, stale jokes?
Yousef Bazzi: That’s easy, me!
KiD Music your mom found it funny tho
When he said Boston-Milwaukee was over after game 1... lost all possible credibility
Tim Duncan led his team to the playoffs every season, That's Crazy
Mr. Spade it is... but when 2002 was probably his worst team, he’s got a big advantage
Popovich led them... i like TD but dont ever compare him to my man jellybean. Honestly its annoying
Selectric Tim Duncan carried Pop and I’m a spurs fan. I mean look at what he’s been doing with the spurs without Timmy
Giovanny Garica neither “carried” the other. A lesser coach would’ve never recognized the talents of the endless string of players Pop developed. With an average coach, after ‘99 the Spurs would’ve been about as good as the ‘09 Magic. A good team carried by a defensive monster with a good offensive game
Greg Pop did that. He had manu & parker that whole time too
Tim Duncan’s San Antonio Spurs won at least 50 games a season his entire career except the lockout season of 1999 when there was only 50 games in the season. That level of consistency is to be respected.
coz he got better team 😂
He had Manu , Parker and Coach Pop for all those. Imagine Kobe had the consistency on that throughout his career. No doubt if he had Pau or Shaq all the way through more rings then Duncan and wins.
Hanabi Hao because he allowed a better team to be built around him. He didn’t demand to be the center of everything at all times.
He had a better team all his career
@@811chelseafc Kobe did that? You worked with Rob Pelinka? Wow.
Dislike before watching because when Kobe died ESPN said: “ let’s stop comparing and appreciate greatness”... and now (less than 3 months later)?!
Disliked before video started. Dont like the title.
You knew it was coming.
Luka Novak its sports. People die everyday. Get over it.
Its ESPN they live the liberal logic lifestyle
Luka Novak exactly
“Let’s stop debating and start appreciating.” You knew that wouldn’t last long. Hypocrites
To be fair, this is kinda what they do for a living
This is a debate show. If you don’t like debate and comparison stop complaining gtfoh why were you here to begin with
Andrew Blackop I know that lol. I just don’t like the hypocrisy. There are other topics out there
Joe Johnson Just don’t think it’s necessary to compare the two at this time, especially two months after you said you weren’t going to do it as much. The reason they’re doing this is because it attracts young teens like you.
Troy Morris when did they say shouldn’t debate? Cuz I guarantee you neither ever said thst
Two of the top 10 players of all time. Absolutely dominated the 2000’s.
Yup both are Top 10 greatest to ever play without question
They're better than MJ.
@@keif9447 huh? I respect peoples opinions but mj the goat no matter what
@@Kawaii-hh9dw We done with the 90s bro
Tim Duncan is like a Role Model to me. He's the true definition of a professional, was never interested in knowing what the media had to say. He just did his job at an extremely high level and he always keep himself private from other peoples perspectives.
I just miss the battles the Lakers and Spurs used to have. It was the unofficial NBA Finals since they were almost always the two best teams in the league
I grew up hating the Spurs because they always got in the Lakers way
@@slimpanther We got in the Spurs way more than they got in ours.
Melvin HHCP that’s true but it’s fitting how both Kobe and Timmy have 5 rings
@@julianojeda1502 Kobe might have more if David Stern hadn't nixed the Chris Paul deal for "basketball reasons".
cj s grew hating the Lakers ! Respect Tho
When Stephen A did this topic with Skip he said Kobe 😂😂😂
Samueli Wilson Haha I knew I was not the only person to realize that.
its his job to be divisive. He doesn't actually have opinions...he has scripts
These debates are scripted. They’re given a topic and they have to disagree in order to make it interesting. But hey props to them for making valid arguments even if they don’t truly believe them lol
What's wild is the same thing he's giving Duncan credit for, he was discrediting him for the last time he did this wit Skip 😂😂
@Ahmed Ali I think he forgot lol
"The late Kobe Bryant", it sounds wrong, just wrong
For real, still feels like a nightmare.
Best Career: The Big Fudamental.
Best Legacy: The Black Mamba.
Claudio Andrès Salvatierra Garib Good way to put it.
Goat Man better career : Kobe
Better player : Kobe
Higher peak : Kobe
Most consistent: Duncan
@Bud Crawford wrong actually.
Quick little list of defensive stats for comparison
Avg for careers
Blocks: 2.2>1.4 Duncan
Steals: 0.87.8 Duncan
Def Rtg: 95.57>99.10 Duncan
Def Win shares: 106.34>91.48 Duncan
The only thing KG did better defensively is keep his hands more active it the post and passing lanes. KGs a monster. Tim Duncan is arguably the most effective and efficient defender in NBA history beaides bill Russel.
Legacy is an objective and even subjective word. What passes for a legacy for someone may not be so for another. If we keep it basketball, Tim Duncans legacy is the teams cornerstone and it spanned decades and is ingrained in the Spurs franchise's institution status.
@Bud Crawford KG is not even in the conversation. Go back to sleep. Its like talking about which is the better sports car, ferrari or Lambo and your answer is a Camaro. All are good cars but one just isnt on the same class.
Duncan won 70% of his career games. Never missed the playoffs.
Never had a different coach, played with a hall of famer every single year of his career and never won back to back titles.
riddler2004 have Duncan ever won back to back to back i don’t thinks so
@@sammydinyaear You make it sound like Duncan played with Allstars. They were not.
SammyDInYaEar Rodriguez he didn’t have a different coach because he won a ship in his 2nd year. And while Kobe and shaq played together and got 3. In that same span Timmy got 3 too
@Gerren Glenn kobe had better supporting cast than timmy kobe has prime shaq.
Fans: we appreciate both players and don't need to compare their careers.
ESPN: Nah, Tim Duncan's better
Because he was the superior player.
@@rhmhnn9526 How was he so superior?? Carefully explain sir??
Sports is all about debating get over yourself.
@@MrJebril duncan was always the best player on a champion ship team, also tim Duncan is the best player in his position of all time
RICAN LEGEND Duncan was a system player. Kobe was always the best player in the series when the Lakers beat San Antonio in 2001, 2002, 2004, and 2008.
If Tim Duncan played for a great market, he would've been considered in the GOAT conversation.
Not true.
@@thatleftyjames2893 idk, it seems reasonable that the g.o.a.t of power forwards is in the goat conversation
Thatleftyjames he is considered the best PF of all time and is ranked in the top 10
Lets not forget, we're talking to Humble Dallas Fan. ITS SKIP!
@Jozkg what matters is results yall just look at stats and his stats are not bad its actually good. But his career is better and he was always the number one guy on his team
Duncan: All-NBA first team *in his rookie year*
Black Sheep True, but he had fours years in college to become a mature player while Kobe came right out of high school. If Duncan came straight out of high school he would not have been all nba his first year.
@@philagon not even that the lakers had one of the best players at the time shaq and 2 other all stars eddie jones and nick van exel and other veterans on the laker squad to let a hs kid start
@@giotorres9848
Yea the Lakers roster from 01 to 05 really is like eye candy to look at. Kinda stupid they didn't win 5 in a row but the egos got to them all.
E BO No, that doesn't follow- any more than Duncan should have went directly to the pros from high school. What follows is that it is not a great comparison to take an 18 yo and compare him to a college aged graduate. And this goes both ways, hard to compare Kobe to Duncan or Kobe to Duncan on a "what did he do in his first year basis?" There just worlds apart on where they started. I do think it's fair to compare their whole careers however, and on that front I actually think Duncan had a better career.
@@philagon Staying college usually means you''''re not that good. Plus Duncan beat out Karl Malone who was the MVP the year before.
Legends: *exist*
ESPN: let’s compare them
Why can’t we just appreciate two legends
We all appreciate both but what would sports be without comparison lol that’s the funnest part.
Sports Appetite It’s actually a fun thing to do IF the legends are even AND ur being respectful to both. Like this video is best comparison they’ve ever done bc all they did was Compliment both players, neither one of them put the other player down to boost their player up
Kenwan Miles i see your point
greatest599 i See your point
Sports Appetite They’re obviously running out of topics to talk about
Tim Duncan like the quiet kid in class that will mess the bully up real quick
Like meeeee LoL 😂 😃😂 😂😂😂😃 😂😂 😂😂😃 😂
FACTS lol
Messed up Cousins for example 😂
This is the REALEST comment I have seen in a long time lol
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Never forget when Kobe was getting double teamed all year and still balling when he had Smush Parker lol...
MVP THAT YEAR
Along with kwamegoat and luke walton
He was ballin because she took 30 shots a game
joseph esparza he had to shoot as much as needed with that line up. Nobody got double teamed like that.
Kobe fed off Michael… And live by the phrase anything you can do I can do better....
Kobe Convinced Boys/ Children ...
MJ Convinced Men / Adults
It's Timmy dreadlocks D...his character and lifestyle in avoiding controversy his entire career while winning all those titles says it all❤
@Jozkg duncan > kobe
That's a good point
Bruh, Tim Duncan is so underrated
Nohdi Karpouzas no way, he’s recognized as one of the greatest to play the game!
Nohdi Karpouzas more like overrated tbh
Haunted Astolfo Beantown plushie stop, Duncan is a top 10 player all time
MrSmurf459 people under appreciate Duncan’s greatness
Tim Duncan is very Underrated But people refuse to see what's right in front of them.
It's sad that because ESPN has nothing to talk about they contradict themselves by posing this question. What happened to "let's stop comparing and appreciate greatness"???
The chinese virus means they have no new content and so they have to resort to this.
Question do you appreciate lebron james greatness lol
@@dancepro67 you mean kung flu virus
TheKingJason3 I hate it people say that! Comparison is apart of life!
@@MrSmurf459 so is murder but do you want to continue in it genius? Comparison is not a good part of life you shouldn't do it with kids adults or teenagers appreciation is far more valuable to society than comparison because it's just a way of demeaning one in the eyes of people which is very stupid so I would expect the person like you to make a comment like that because compared to other commenters you have really diminish yourself how you like that for comparison hahaha didn't see that one coming did you hahaha hahaha
Kobe defeated more 50+ win teams in the playoffs than ANY other player in HISTORY. He also as a playoff series record of 4-2 vs Duncan.
TUBESTEAKNIG except the years he MISSED the playoffs
Marcus Gonzalez how many back to back chips does Duncan have? ...0
What consistency?
07 Spurs win the chip, what happened in 08 in WCF? Gentlemen sweep!!
Kobe one of six in history to have back to back fmvps.
Timy not on that list!
And believe it brother if kobe from 05-07 had an equal team to Duncan well one thing is for sure. Duncan wouldn’t have 5 and Kobe would have killed Bron n cavs in the finals.
On 06 it would have been epic to see him and wade battle.
And in 05 well lol Duncan wouldn’t want to see Kobe in the playoffs!
After 03 KOBE NEVER lost to Duncan in the playoffs!
Actually Duncan was in his prime from 08-12 , how many finals appearances?1
How many chips? 0
How was his team each year? Stacked
@@7428marcus So Kobe's missed the playoffs. Does that negate the two facts I just stated? Nice strawman.
Kobe had more help than duncan
@@hasansiddiqi91 Duncan's team's weren't stacked duncan defeated kobe and shaq with little help in 2003
Kobe's career
•5 Rings
•18 consecutive All Star selections (No All Star game in 1999 due to the lockout)
•15 All NBA team selections
•11 All NBA First team selections
•12 All Defensive team selections
•9 All Defensive first team selections
•2008 MVP
•2x NBA Finals MVP
•4x All Star Game MVP
•Slam Dunk contest Champion
•3 Gold Medals
•4th on the All Time Scoring list
•#1 All time in assists as a SHOOTING GUARD
•3rd in All time Freethrows made
•Top 20 in steals, and 3pts made
•398 less turnovers in 20 season than LeBron in his 16
•81PTS scored in one single game
are you kidding LeBron is better than Kobe in every category but shooting free throws
I'd only count 15 all stars for Kobe, his last three were consolation prizes. He played 8 and 35 games two seasons, and the last season he said he'd play he was given an All Star team selection.
@@eggmeep Agree. idk why Kobe fans ignore that when they mention the 18 All Star games. Those are popularity/ legacy votes. Same thing that happened w/ Dirk and Wade in their last seasons. Even Yao Ming was selected to be an All Star in 2011 after only playing 5 games bc of his (mostly Chinese) fans.
All star selections are a popularity contest. You forgot to mention that Kobe holds the record for most missed shots right now.
He has three rings and one Finals MVP and I know what I typed. 2002 and 2010 were flukes
Can we just say they were both legends and leave it as that?
Na thats boring
Truth
Nah we compare every thing and plus it’s a debate show 🤷🏻♂️
I love comparing
Its a debate show and a very legit argument people got to stop the sensitivity we all miss kobe but just stop it
What happened in 2008 then? Pau Gasol averaged 13 PPG on 44% in the WCF that year against the defending Spurs champs and Kobe beat them in 5 games averaging 29/6/4 on 53% with tough man defense from Bowen and drawing doubles
03. 05. 07. Timmy
Very underrated series by Kobe that don’t ever get talked about
Terrance Mitchell 05 . 07 . kobe with no help
Duncan stopped the Shaq/Kobe Lakers from going 4 championships in a row, he did it with a rookie Manu and Parker averaging 15pts, Duncan is better.
@@ChiMulaa nobody talks about how duncan demolish the lakers in 03 remember david robinson 03 was his last year a sophmore tony parker and a rookie manu ginobli.
Duncan had a more consistent career (in team success), Kobe had a more influential career (in broader terms)
Nah Kobe played in a bigger market period Duncan was better in every way
Tim Duncan had better career because he didn't need to throw people under bus just to feed one ego.
hello there such a stupid comment
Aaron Adams not really
@@BratatoChip Kobe consistently threw people under the bus dude. The year they lost to the spurs he threw horry, George and shaq under the bus. Then again threw shaq under the bus(even though shaq dominated the series) when they lost to the pistons. He also threw phil Jackson under the bus also. Then he threw Gasol and other teammates when they weren't able to win chip for third time. He threw dwight under the bus even when dwight played not fully recovered from his injuries. Which cause dwight permanent injury. There is also his practice tantrums.
Reporter: "Michael, who had a better career; Kobe or Duncan?"
Jordan: "Me, of course"
Sedaw Paul Pierce: “Ima say me”
Jordan is a forced merchandised narrative investment. Kobe Bryant was the goat butcher .
"When the reporter asked me that, i took it personal."
And he would be right
@@98alllegend99 lol kobe shot 44 percent for his career you take away the wizard years jordan shot 53.4 percent jordan averaged more steals more assists more rebounds more blocks. Jordans playoff shooting percentage and numbers actually went up in the playoffs where kobes went way down in the playoffs. Kobe was a good defender but Jordan was the best defensive shooting guard of all time. How is there even a comparison jordan shot over 50 percent every year but one of his career minus the baseball comeback and the wizard years at plus 40, kobe Never did and most years did not even come close. I think there is an argument to be made that wade is the 2nd best shooting guard ever since he too averaged more blocks, steals, rebounds and assists per game and shot at a way higher percentage and wade has 3 rings. And btw Drexler averaged more rebounds assists steals and blocks per game too shooting at a way higher percentage than kobe did. If you dont believe me feel free to go look it up. Kobe is closer to wade and Drexler thsn he is to Jordan, I do like kobe as a man, he was real smart, spoke 3 or 4 languages, and seemed to be a Great father, and is horrible he died he was a great player but he was no where near MJ I am sorry he just was not and I know I am in the minority especially after his tragic death but I think theres a pretty good argument to be made that D Wade is the second greatest shooting guard of all time.
duncan never had to PROVE he was that guy. he came into the league as THAT guy.
Well, he also had a former MVP and scoring champion champion as his running mate. Remember, the Spurs landed Duncan because David Robinson got hurt like 6 games into the 96-97 season... he missed the rest of the year. They had some other injuries that year too. They were a playoff team out west. With Robinson now a little older, having Duncan was perfect. They were the twin towers. Then of course, they landed Manu and Parker. Duncan was great... he also landed with the ideal organization: competent. Think just how differently we'd perceive Timmy if he'd landed someplace like the Nets or the Clippers who's franchises had always been run poorly. Look at what happened with KG until he left: he can't win (even though we know you need more than one guy to win a title.)
E BO for 6 years Duncan had a good team his whole career and Kobe had terrible teammates in his prime. I’ll just take kobe since he was better offensively and defensively and won the same amount of rings with a less consistent team
Lets not forget ducan had greg pop as the coach his whole career..even after ducan they still win near 50gms so i believe some of what made ducan great is the system..which is not a slight he strived in that system.
With help the whole time
Tormund if you are talking about David Robinson than you are really dumb. He was already in the end stages of his career.
Tim Duncan was my favorite to watch when i was a kid. He was a monster on the court.
Said noone ever
@@Matzes was just about to comment the same thing
@@davidellis3798 well then you 2 are dumbasses. You see his accolades right? Tim duncan from his rookie year till 2007 was a monster. He was just unselfish unlike kobe
Steve Abrokwa yea you clearly trying to be different. Duncan is clearly a snooze fest. 😴
Steve Abrokwa boring to watch
Tim Duncan had a perfect career in my opinion. Also Tim Duncan best some of best teams in NBA history. The Miami big 3, That Detroit Pistons team & also that young Thunder team.
and the Lakers
And the Shaq & Kobe Lakers
ironically he wasnt playing at a top 5 level when he beat miami (kawhi and danny green got more finals mvp votes), okc and he was top 3 when he beat detroit but he did it averaging 17 points on 41% shooting as a power forward and nearly cost the spurs game 5 if it wasnt for manu and robert horry. So strangely enough in duncans biggest victories against the best teams you mentioned he wasnt the best performer on the floor
Tim Duncan swept a 6TH year Shaq and a 4TH year Kobe in his 2nd season! Right after winning rookie of the year you win finials MVP!
Tim Duncan was drafted 1 year after Kobe, so no.
No. He didn’t lol
A 20 year old Kobe saved Shaq’s career in the biggest game of his life in Game 7 of the 2000 WCF. Shaq was lost to Malone and Duncan for the previous three years in the playoffs and couldn’t make the Finals, if he lost this game due to him underperforming in his MVP season, his career would be viewed differently.
Kobe: 25 points, 11 rebounds, 4 blocks, 9/19 FG
Shaq: 18 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 5/9 FG
Shaq is still was a 3x finals mvp
Shaq saved Kobe the first 6 games. You see how that sounds? Kobe was a great player but his finals efficiency was so bad almost all finals. Shaq was easily the best player the first 3 finals.
Kobe destroyed the West, Shaq dominated those non-scoring bigs in the East.
Why type the shots attempted and the points if you are trying to make a point in Kobe's favor? 18 points in 9 shots is better than 25 in 19.
Uh. Kobe was 21 Years old.. speaking of the 2000 Western Conference Finals Shaq only has 4 turnovers in game 7
I dont even wanna debate this. I'm just glad i was around to witness 2 of the possibly greatest players to ever do it at their respected positions. The Lakers and the Spurs ran the NBA from 2000 to 2010.
Underrated 77 Facts my brother
Underrated 77 but tim had a better career
Underrated 77 1999 to 2010 gotta slide that spur 99’ chip in bro
For real
Tim Duncan always had a great team around him. And yet ever won back to back titles
stephan a and max are so underrated as pundits they are so respectful of each other’s opinion and get across their points so well, easily the goats and they don’t get enough respect for it, first take is an elite show with them on it
Max Kellerwoman?
Tim Duncan: better career
Kobe Bryant: better player
Trxii only people that genuinely think that Duncan is better than Kobe ain’t start watching basketball til 2015, when they both were in their prime, Kobe was undoubtedly the best player in the league every year, and he’s been robbed of a couple mvps. Ain’t nobody ever say Duncan was better than Kobe until both of them retired
@@KingQuattro3 um no
@@KingQuattro3 tim Duncan won a bronze medal please stop the BS Kobe is better period
@@KingQuattro3 go look what Kobe did to the spurs in the playoffs 2001 at 22 he destroyed them
both of them had great careers...Congrats to all HOF
As a Spurs fan I appreciated what the Spurs did. Now I see my Spurs now, I appreciate the "Big 3" even more.
Our 2003 Spurs was a Beast Squad.
@@eddiemurphy1775 not really, Tim Duncan had to hard carry that team, remember Tony Parker was in his second season, Manu was in his first, and David Robinson was in his last, Timmy had 0 other players that were all-stars that season.
This season hurt to watch. You know it's sad when your only consistent player is Patty.
Look at the Squad though. Bowen, Parker, Stephen Jackson, Robinson, Malik Rose, Manu, Kerr. You trying too tell me that was not a Beast Squad?
@@eddiemurphy1775 no it wasn't, because once again Manu was a rookie, and Robinson was in his last season, Jackson was good, but never quite an all-star, and Bowen was just a great defender, and nothing else really, everyone else was just ok role players, the 2007 team was much better.
I respectfully disagree Kobe was robbed of at least 2 league MVP awards and he always took care of the Spurs in the playoffs
Dean Talamantes He didn’t take care of them in 2003, when Duncan won MVP that year, with a young team filled with role players. Oh and Duncan made the entire Lakers bench cry including Shaq and Kobe! Lakers never made the Spurs cry once. lol
@@bballNeverEnds Kobe was 4-3 against the Spurs in the playoffs. What are you going on about?
Also, 2004 was just luck. Derek Fisher saved them only to get beat down by the same Pistons team ,the Spurs beat the following year. lol
@@bballNeverEnds Not sure I understand what your point is.
Black Mamba lol actually he was 4-2 against spurs. Spurs won in 1999,2003 and lakers won 2001,2002,2004 and 2008.
That whole "heist" narrative with the trade for Paul. Everybody forgets to mention we gave up Marc gasol in that trade.
It was "the draft rights of Marc Gasol".....before Marc Gasol ever played a game. It was a heist. The Lakers were gift-wrapped Pau and Memphis happened the hit the jackpot with a lottery ticket.
Just because you had the better career doesn’t mean you were the better player! Isn’t that why you Lebron fans still think you have a GOAT argument?
Andrew Bullard lol LeBron didn’t have a better career he his just a better player and give credit to that goat 🐐
Mj is 🐐. Ain't even close
Usman Favre that’s what I’m saying! There’s no way you can argue Lebron has had a better career than MJ when he’s got 6 final losses
Most great players have great careers anyways, your comment makes no sense what so ever.
Toguro penny was a great player didn’t have a great career.. what are u talkin about
I’m done with steven “switch around in a sec” smith bruh. This been arguing for years Kobe is the best and his career was better Tim, now are legend is gone and you wanna switch back... I’m done
well he did point out that kobe had kwamay brown on his team
bizzle that’s all he did, he says great stuff about Kobe then turns it around, he does it to a lot of aftletes, he just did it to Lamar Jackson not to long ago
@@kollegedagr8591ur stupid just because he thinks timmy is better which he is doesn't mean he was talking bad bout kobe
Tim Duncan been great his whole career. He won a title in his first or second year in the league. He been excellent every single year he played. He never missed the playoffs not once.
Nice Vid. Thanks for this video :)
Duncan has the perfect career, he was a contender from day one to his last day in the league, just cuz he wasn’t flashy and did not have any drama doesn’t mean he should be underrated like he is , he’s the greatest to play his position , that means something
MMA REPUBLIC & never repeated.
TheSwagIsBack Tim is 5-1 and Kobe is 5-2 tho
@@TheSwagIsBack point being? Kobe needed a rigged series against the Kings and a shady trade to get Pau Gasol just to win the same number of rings. By the time Kobe won his first MVP, Duncan already had 3 FMVPs and 2 MVPs to his name.
Shaq didn’t win until he got with Kobe...somebody finally pointed that out.
Right. This often gets overlooked.
Shaq had a great team in Orlando. Didn't they beat Jordan bulls? And then got swept in the finals. Interesting...
It’s not like Phill Jackson was a 6 time champion when he came in... oh wait.
Was Robinson winning before Duncan. Exactly.
This comment is like saying Charles Barkley sucked cause he didnt win a ring. Shaq easily the best center during the ERA...and when Centers mattered. Don't forget Shaq was Final MVPs all THREE times they won a Chip together. Kobe was second to Shaq when he got those three rings.
This isn't even close, Kobe had the better career simply cause he made more money and was a much bigger cultural influence. If we're strictly talking basketball, setting aside their personalities and influence outside of the game, then It's Tim Duncan.
So much for new content....
Kobe Bryant: The first time I ever agreed with Max in this life time...
One of the few times I disagree with him.
Me too
Nah It don’t matter...just appreciate both 😤💪💪
Nah It don't matter, Duncan all the way!!!!
This is a topic I’ve been waiting for since 2016
Kobe my favorite player of all time...that being said...simply based on their career's Tim had the better one... Won a lot, almost never faced drama, super professional and teammates and coaches loved him, and Tim was just reliable health and production wise for a long time
MOST ICONIC is Kobe hands down...before he passed away, during his Career, The man was BOX OFFICE people paid and traveled far and wide to see Kobe. Also Kobe is #4 All-time on the NBA Scoring List. INTERNATIONAL Star Power look at his influence on CURRENT players. NFL,NHL, PGA, MLB, MLS, WNBA...etc etc
No disrespect to Tim but you’ve never seen an NBA Star from another country say Tim Duncan was the reason they started playing!
Duncan won more and had a better career.
Changing the narrative to fit ur argument..smh
That not what they asked ...But why even compare .they played at the same time great to seem them play
If Duncan had played in L.A, he woulda been a lot bigger
br 1251 Kobe has the better record against Duncan in the playoffs. Even after Shaq. Duncan also had better teammates.
They both had equally great careers. Shut up ESPN.
Jani Rosario I agree ppl forget Duncan has a case for the best rookie season ever Kobe was 100× more entertaining
Kareem might’ve had a better rookie season. Or Magic
Speedy Z I said a case, Jordan wilt etc.
Speedy Z forgot about bird he basically switched the Celtic's team record around that's incredible
Not really Tim Duncan was the leader of all of his championship teams so his was greater.Kobes was still great though.
Duncan also kept his all time great teammates throughout his career. Kobe due to laker mismanagement had teammates like smush, kwame, Luke, mbenga, Sasha, cook, and Radmanovic during his prime.
That was actually due to Kobe for making Shaq leave. He has no one but himself to blame for that sorry roster. It would be like blaming the Knicks for Carmelo having a terrible team when he forced the Knicks to gut their roster and trade for him mid season instead of waiting until the off season.
Retrospectively, this is one of my all-time favorite segments on First Take
When SAS had this debate with Skip years back, he said Kobe did. 😂 He said the adversary is why he chose Kobe and Duncan was successful because the spurs were a top tier franchise. Here he uses both of those claims to say switch his choice 😂
@@VintageVoid3 you only noticed his mistake, just shows how ignorant you are.
@@VintageVoid3 the thought is stil there
SAS finally looked at the facts instead of blindly worshipping Kobe. Kobe's "adversity" was entirely self-inflicted.
Mario Huarota Facts.. Sometimes I feel like the way the show is setup is for both Stephen & Max to not agree on the same topics so we could get a debate with them having opposing views
5:05 I only like this video because Kwame Brown got a shoutout
I remember the Lakers paid Kwame like 20+ million dollars hahahahahahahaha
Was literally about to post this 😂😂😂
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Neil M I gave it a dislike as soon as I saw the title, but you changed my mind and I gave it a like only because of the Kwame Brown shoutout
@Omar Q "They gave up Kwaaamay Brown, who cares?"
I don't really like it when people use MVP's in a comparative argument. MVP awards can be very subjective.
For a long time there it was either lakers or spurs winning championships. We had to go through Kobe in his prime to get some of those champions. It was an honor watching those two legends go at it in the early 2000. Like Steven A said the model of consistency that Timmy displayed during his career wins over Kobe. Man won championships in 3 different decades.
I think Kobe vs Duncan is like MJ vs Kareem. MJ and Kobe were exciting to watch. Kareem and Duncan weren't. I don't really see people wearing Jabbar or Duncan jerseys. Fans want to idolize those mid-sized wing players.
Pat4Clippers Kareem was way better than duncan in every way possible Kobe was closer to Jordan than Tim was ever to Kareem
I think it's a great comparison and your correct. They were both the best in their position thru their whole career. Duncan the best off all time in his position tho. Stopped Kobe and Shaq from a possible 4 peat. Won in 3 different decades.
The topic isn't who was the more popular player. That's like saying, "I never see guys wearing HOF Offensive Lineman jerseys, only Quarterbacks". The question is who had the better career.
Pat4Clippers kobe is the best lakers ever
Lebron James Kareem is better but my way better. And as far as Jordan va Kobe you can say Jordan is way better as well. Defense ain’t close and offense ain’t close either
Sas flip flops like a mthaf. 😂 sas picked Kobe last time he talked about this.
DiLLy DiLLy he knows kobe’s the answer but he keeps flip flops just to continue his show haha
In terms of money and stardom, Kobe.
In terms of consistent greatness, Tim Duncan
Fax.
Pretty much best player duncan most popular kobe
best player kobe. duncans career best finals series 27 points NYK, 24 points Nets, 17 points 41% shooting DET, 17 points Cle.
Kobe best finals, 32 points ORL, 30 points bos, 26 points nets, 24 points 76ers @@Ken-zh2br
Only reason Tim Duncan wasn't talked about that much is because he didn't talk much. Undisputed greatest power forward of all time.
as well as boring to watch and lack of highlights
Both are GOATS just leave it at that.
Exactly!
Both are better than Bron and it isn’t close.
Victor Ringgaard kobe is the best
I dont wanna hear stephen a ever call kobe his "brotha" after this
Mr Beast for real he switched up his answer
Stephen A is not to be Trusted!
Because someone had a better career ?
Duality Unlimited for telling the truth
Philippe Beauvais how???
Along with Quarantine and no games, someone should lockdown the ESPN crew from creating stupid things to discuss. 😂😂
I hate how they’re still “in the office” they should be doing the show from home to show they are self quarantined. Screw they background, like show us you’re at home just like us, send a message of unity. Like shame on you guys for trying to make the show look normal when you could be showing group solidarity and subconsciously influence your viewers to stay home
Please say that to them because their pride is why the show is going down
They both had great careers and we’re all blessed to have seen them get down on the court.
It's too early for this kind of topic. Both of them had an amazing career...end of story.
Stanley Jr Facts💯
What do you mean by too early? Only asking because this isn’t the first time that this topic has come up.
@@TheRealH2dut it's not necessary to be having this conversation right now. It's not even been a year since hes passed. Hes in the hall of fame...let's just leave it at that for abit. Respect to you kobe 💯
Feel like Stephen A and max switch roles 🤔
Yeah. I'm not used to seeing Max defend Kobe. He made valid points.
They definitely switch narratives every now and then
Trideep Nag Facts, because when skip was on the show Stephen a used to say that Kobe had the better career because of the adversity he had to overcome
Absolutely. They arent genuine.
U got it
Tim Duncan = better career
Kobe Bryant = Better player
These are the type of debates me and my friends had/have all the time, comparing players , that’s apart of the fun of it. I don’t understand the sensitivity about them comparing players, thats normal 🤷🏾♂️. We can appreciate their greatness and still argue about who was better. I enjoy these topics and debates tbh,
I admire how everybody gets into the “argument” when we all know this is fabricated, have you ever see Steven and Max agreeing?
Yes
They agree that Curry is the greatest shooter ever and the 3rd greatest PG after Magic and Oscar.
Micah PG lol that’s easy to agree with. Come with a better challenge lol.
The show wouldn’t be what it is if they always agreed.
@@Two3sf Undisputed>>>>>>>
Comparing a Guard to a Big has always been corny imo. Don’t do this with Dirk & Wade please.
Jamie Foxx corny ? Doesn’t make since you can’t compare them accurately or at all really because they don’t play the same position
brianna idk if you agreeing or not lol but i wouldn’t compare Iverson to Karl Malone , Magic to Wilt , Curry to Giannis etc it’s just weird.
Jamie Foxx bro exactly I never get that. If I’m ranking top players in nba history I mainly compre guards because they can score. Just like other sports you won’t compre a great defender in soccer to a forward or midfielder. My top 10 is guards to forwards. I leave out the big guys hit I respect that they’re beast and they’re all time greats. But not like top 10
Love you kobe but I got to go with Timmy on this one 🙏
Duncan was the best player on most of his championship teams. Kobe was the second best player on 3 of his 5 championship teams. It's that simple.
Shaq came to the lakers in 1996 Kobe was drafted in 96 Kobe had to prove his self for three years coming off the bench for eddie Jones, Kobe became a starter in 99 and we won a chip in 2000 🤷🏽♂️
So? Duncan was drafted in 1997 and that same season he was already an Allstar. The next season he won the chip.
Mike CAF I’m not knockin dunkin im jst trynna point out the fact that shaq needed Kobe and vise versa to win
Whoever watched Dom2K knows Tim had a perfect career and Kobe had the greater career
P 21 he actually said Duncan had a greater career😂 watch his Kobe vs Duncan video
Decarri Richardson-Curry Ight my bad I watched recently
living and growing up in the Philippines, we were all crazy about Philippine Basketball leagues and players, And I noticed the NBA only when David Robinson's team was being led by a rookie and when I had the chance to watch Tim Duncan, I understood why the San Antonio Spurs were winning the year after they finished last in the NBA during Robinson's injury. Pop was also there but they still finished last. When Tim Duncan came, they started winning. No matter who the team mates were, he demanded for no one. The greatness of Tim Duncan.
This is one of the rare segments where Stephen A makes some sense. I also think it is hard to compare the two; they were both great and they played different positions. Duncan was really, really consistent
You gotta love it when these guys totally manufacture a category like "better career" which has no stable definition, and then they argue about who had the better career as if it has some kind of objective meaning.
Duncan had the better career. Didnt get carried by a shaq like player for 3 of his rings.
WALL·Es Channel exactly lol this guy can’t be a sports fan
@@dancepro67 carried Kobe? Check those playoff stats in 2000-2001! Look at those stats and then say that again... And if Shaq carried Kobe to 3 rings how come he didn't have any before kobe?
@@BeastMode-gv3ng duncan still better, the lakers bought their way to rings with weak salary cap rules. Spurs had to take late round picks from bumfuck europe and then be patient and develop them for years to find out if they were allstars. And during that time duncan carried the team to 50+ wins and a playoff spot every season.
Lol Shaq himself said he needed Kobe. Shaq also said Kobe was a better player than him overall. He averaged only a point and 2 points less in the 2nd and 3rd championships. You guys need to understand what carry means. On top of that he won 2 championships without him. Secondly, Duncan only averaging 19 points for his career. Kobe was the better player overall player.
They were really both even in their achievements on the whole. Pity they can't enter the Hall of Fame side by side. Rest In Peace, Mamba.
People use the Spurs overall success as a way to discredit Timmy when in reality he was the primary reason for their winning culture. His best teammates, Parker, Ginobli and Robinson are great players but not at the level of a Shaq or Pau Gasol who Kobe had the luxury of playing with.
Before people start getting sensitive, this is a debate, calling one “career” better than another is not disrespectful. Players who have since passed are used for comparisons all the time. Yes Kobe is still fresh (rest his soul), but they’re talking sports here. Not who was the better man. God knows we need these conversations in times like these.
Ronnie Rizek espn literally said let’s not debate. appreciate greatness
Ronnie Rizek yeah we know jordan exists.... not many people are saying kobe is the goat. He is my favorite player all time but i dont put him over everybody else? I do pick him over anyone tho..... but you dont have to be sensitive about all these to know what kobe was
K Bean wasn’t really my point, but okay
Malikai2shifty debating these two players is what highlights their greatness
Ronnie Rizek both are better than lebron tho
Tim Duncan is the PERFECT NBA career. I’d rather be the only Tim Duncan than the closest thing to Michael Jordan.
In terms of career I agree. Tim Duncan's career would have been even better if he beat the Heat in 2013.
closest thing to jordan is not a bad thing. That says more about kobe
no you wouldnt lol
@@yeon723 straight up - to be even in the catagory speaks on levels '
All I know this is one of the best Hall of fame class ever. Tim Duncan, Kobe and Kevin Garnett ..
Wow!!
Top three reasons Kobe Bryant had the better nba career.
3. Better nickname
2. Better franchise basically 16 titles to the San Antonio Spurs five titles.
1. Opponents were scared and respected Kobe Bryant.
Just my opinion ESPN
Kobe had shaq and still won without him. How come no one says Tim Duncan had 4 hall of famers on his team to carry him? Kawhi Leonard, Tony Parker, manu Ginobili, David Robinson.
David Kramsky because none of them carried him. He was by far the best player on every one of those teams.
Because he was the best player on his team and win the finals mvp. Even when he played with Duncan Robinson. Kobe played with shaq and did not win the mvp.
Dominick Williams Stop it!! Duncan had to share that with Tony After the 2007 finals. Duncan was not the number 1 option after that finals. Kobe was more consistent then Duncan especially in the 2010 decade
Dominick Williams not every one of those teams
Well kobe had a sneakers aint nobody wearing timmies😂
WIT THE Smoke most people aren’t wearing a centers sneaks, they aren’t as marketable that don’t mean one is better than the other
That's due to Kobe being marketable and a showman in Los Angeles. Duncan's a quiet guy in San Antonio
Nobody was wearing Kobe either cause they was so ugly.
@@TheMaxwells2012 the early shoes no cap
Nobody wears Kobes neither. Retired Jordan was outselling him in Kobe’s prime.
Doesn’t matter, who cares, I appreciate everything BOTH of have done. Thanks Tim & Thanks Kobe.
They both had great careers, love Kobe but I gotta go with Tim Duncan on this one
Easily Kobe. Tim had the luxury of having the same coach run the same system his entire career. Kobe had like 5 coaches and only won with Phil
Go watch those Spurs teams, they didn't always use the same system like Phil Jackson's teams did, there was a huge difference from Duncan's first ring to his last, don't spread non sense pls
What did Kobe win without Phil though?
Whenever i watched Tim in the paint and seeing those shots kiss the glass my god that man had the most fundamentals
Good debate
Easily Tim Duncan. Far more awards, slightly greater team success, and a top 20 player for longer.
Tim had a better career (not by a whole lot) but Kobe was the better player...both legends!
Debatable
I dont know about better player...I mean They dont call Duncan the Big Fundamental for nothing. Kobe was naturally more gifted, but at the same time...Tim was extremely polished in his game.
I can go with that.
@@Mercenary-1914 Kobe was the better player
Two different positions and different play styles can’t compare.
They both had amazing careers with their respect franchises
One almost 4 peated and 3 peated twice. The other player missed a layup to lose tge finals
IMO, both great players. Glad I was able see both play.
Both are great players with the good fortune of great coaching, great teammates and a stable franchise.
Tim Duncan never had a losing record, never missed the playoffs this is really not a comparison. Duncan is top 5 all time imo.