Toyota bZ4X 1000 km challenge
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Toyota built something they hate, and it shows.
is mad ugly too, inside and out
Haha so true..they should of let Tesla take them over.
Toyota wants people to buy hybrids, the so called "self-charging EV."
They don't hate BEVs. And they will improve this vehicle. Think of this as a test and then let's see how the future bZs are. Toyota will produce 6 BEVs for Europe by 2026 so no, they don't hate BEVS. Their position, their old position, was they don't think BEVS should be the only propulsion system going forward and car owners should have a choice. Their updated position will be articulated by their new CEO at some point after he takes his position (April 1st).
@@benjaminsmith2287 completely disagree. Zero effort was put into this vehicle. It’s so obvious.
I tried to watch this live with my notebook in bed.... I fell asleep at the 8 hour mark.......
I woke up, and it was still going :D
It feels like Toyota nerfed the car to say to everyone "look, EVs are bad".
"Shut up! should be a built in voice command in any modern car.
Lol yes, no more fumbling in menus to turn off the voice
The follower and his kid were awesome!!! 🙌
Thanks😍
Sleeping in the 1000 km challenge. Never happened before. Usually Bjorn doesn’t even have time for a bite😂.
Despite their future promises, I think it's safe to say that Toyota hasn't even bothered: this is just another regular compliance car. Thank you Bjørn for putting in the effort and showing us how serious Toyota is about EV's. At the end of the list, just above a 5 year old Zoë. Not even 100 software updates are going to pull Toyota out of the grave they dug for themselves.
This made me feel pretty good with my Zoe and its 45kw "fast charging"🙃
I hope not. I alway was a Toyota fanboy but I bought the MG4 (top specs model)
@@Moody_Blues_ "Toyota also claims the battery has been developed to still maintain 90% of its original capacity after 10 years and 240.000 km"... Claim... Sure.. But prove it. Claims doesnt mean anything. Tesla got numbers out on remaining battery capacity of their EVs, easy to google and its roughly 10% battery loss after guarantee is gone. Tesla CLAIMS the original battery will last the lifetime of the car if used normally. That should be more than enough. I would like to see 90% battery life after 1 mil km to believe it. That sounds too good to be true AND also unnecessary as the car wont last that long anyway (100,000/2000 = 50yrs). If you would lose 20% battery life (Tesla) the car would still be in great condition to be used by most drivers who arent picky, thats at roughly 20 years of normal use.
So with that claim Toyota is selling clickbaits, which is what they need to do to get back into the race.
@@Moody_Blues_ very profound explanation! Hats off
This is why you should avoid EVs. Toyota makes great cars with engines and hybrids!
Björn did double work for this video, so everyone should watch it twice.
Did anybody see that?! Slower than the LEAF!!! 😂
When Björn said in the previous video the charging nerf, I had my guess placed somewhere between a rapidgating Leaf and a Renault Zoe 😅
Although I was close I can't exacty say I'm happy.
ouch
lol my 2015 Leaf chargers faster
;-)
Lets come back in a few years and see if it also kills batteries like a Leaf.
They’re trying to prove their own thesis that there is no demand for EVs…
It acts like a 2013 ZOE ten years later. No SoC during riding, no range, only SoC during charging 🤦🏼 Zoe has at least 50% less consumption 😁
We need a ninja to drive his car and this is exactly what we got. You are the ninja my friend. Thank you for all the hard work you do.
I noticed it's really noisy at high speeds when I took one as a taxi. Very roomy backseat though. The driver was NOT happy with his purchase...
Did he say why?
@@LouisArquivio Probably because of the high energy consumption, slow charging speed and limited range.
Taxi fleet operators often are not aware that they should purchase EV tires with special foam inlays to reduce the *noise emissions towards the passenger cabin.* The noise emissions shown on the standard tire label are measured from outside of the car.
@@LouisArquivio Imagine using this as a taxi and only having TWO fast charging sessions a day. Such a joke...
I was expecting 3x250km a day with 2 fast charging sessions, but Björn made it for just 450km or so. This because fast charging is not available from 0% to 100%, but instead to 70% or so. The length of charging session is not taken into account.
Shame that Toyota did the SW with the least amount of code lines possible.
I wonder if the fast charging limitation could be 2 hours of charging per day instead?
Poor excuse for an EV in 2023. Thanks, Bjorn, for all your patience and persistence !!
you have to be a ninja to drive that car fast
I'm used to charging at 40kw with the e-Golf. Didn't expect a modern proper EV to charge that slow. The confidence of the Toyota engineers must be really low if even VW engineers 10 years ago had more confidence in the battery(it's smaller - higher C rating - and has no cooling/heating). In the interest of the owners of this car I really hope the update improves the behavior to allow more full speed charging sessions etc.
VW could sell a Mark 8 e-Golf with those specs hahaha
VW still had more interest in making a decent EV back then compared to Toyota now.
Yes, it would be ok if they give 500 000 km battery warranty, otherwise makes me think that battery is piece of sheeet that needs babying in order to last that 200 000 or so warranty period. 🤔
The battery in 2013 hsd charges with 25-30C. It also has thermal control. If they want they can do is. They are Just Not interrested.
The e-Golf was acceptable back then, this Toyota is not in 2023
The BZ4X is charging and the stereo is playing “Together forever” 😂
At least the wheels didn't fall off!
Yawn.
Hope you'll be going on all the Tesla reviews to mention the steering wheels falling off.
@@carlarrowsmith First car I bought was old Chevrolet pick up. After some driving the steering wheel dropped in the hands of the driver. That was because it was attached with some tape and a hammer I guess. So nothing to see here, shit happens. Nobody was heart and we find a nut to attach this invention better.
Bjorn i admire your courage to drive this slow car. But it’s for th sake of science! Thanks
"It's thirsty like an etron but charges dog slow". What a great summary :D
Bjørn I love your Google spreadsheet! It is such a helpful data source to compare the long range capability of EVs.
I think it would also be interesting to track the number of charging stops (I counted 8 in this video :O) and the total time spent charging.
Seems like Toyota has some catching up to do.
Has some charging up to do.
It's not really matching a 2008 Tesla.
Apparently Toyota is way behind Tesla at this moment. I am a Tesla owner but I do believe Toyota engineers would work hard to catch up Tesla in the next 5 years (?)
@@Welly6858 no chance.
Like really, no chance at all.
There's so much going on at Tesla right now, their lead is getting longer by a couple of days for every day that goes by.
Not just the cars themselves, but the way they make the cars. The factories are decades ahead of toyota and the lead is growing.
That's before you consider the chips they're building. Decades ahead of toyota and pulling away.
Toyota is dead, they just haven't fallen over yet. This is a Kodak moment.
@@gasdive ahh...... Tesla don't make chips though. You gotta understand the TSMC political problems before talking shits.
I had ordered the Solterra but just before the delivery the factory stopped the delivery of the BZ and the Solterra due to wheel bolts unscrewed on a couple of the cars that had been delivered. Then there was no info about the progress in solving the wheel bolt problem. It September I got tired of waiting and bought an iX instead. It was more than what had budgeted for but definitely worth the extra costs. Then when they continued to roll out the cars again I heard about the charging and battery problems. In the aftermath I am happy that that the delay in delivery made me buy an other car. I wonder how the Lexus RZ will do when they start delivering them. After all they have much in common with the Toyota and the Subaru.😊
Maybe lexus continue to use Chademo. You don't need to nerf charging speed if there's no proper fast charger... 😂
@@valtersvasilis The network of fast chargers here in Norway is not so bad compared to other countries. Just 700 meters away from my house have 3 chargers with 180 kw recently been installed.😅🤠
@@runedahl1477 I bet that it is CCS, not Chademo (Lexus UX300 e uses Chademo).
@@valtersvasilis yes it is CCS there also a Chademo outlet there as well. As far as I know the Lexus RZ will be delivered with the same charging as the bz4X.😁
I wish every Toyota manager & engineer involved into building the car like this drive it everyday. So bad. Thank you for your work Bjorn.
ding pull ahead don't you hate when your car is a back seat driver?🤣
What! You don’t think it’s worth the $62,000 I paid for the first BZ4X in America!?!?!?!
Bjorn: "Why are you doing this to me Toyota?"
Toyota: "Nothing is impossible..."
Um, room for improvement. Thanks Bjorn. Lotsa love to all from Toronto!❤❤❤
We are so glad that you make those videos and go through those rough spots that make our decisions easier. I would never buy such a car 😀
Despite what Toyota might think about people not having any use for/interest in electric Toyota cars, Toyota must be convinced actively, that the opposites are the case.
I have 2019 Kia e_Niro 64kWh. I thought it charges slow.... Man - this is crazy, not only my consumption is waaay lower but also charging is 72 kwH max.
I've seen my Niro EV (2019) charging at 76kWh on a nice, hot battery. Even when cold, I see 50kWh.
To put this car into context, it averaged 302 wh/km which is 486 wh/mile. My tesla model y only gets this when going uphill going very fast, when its very cold and maybe even if i was to hold the brakes ! On a run like this, nowhere near it.
Hey, even my fatron consumes less than this Toyota 😅
I have a Chevrolet Bolt. I have only ever seen consumption that high when driving through slush and snow on winter tires!
I think bz4x is japanese for "dumpster fire"
It could also mean either 'Busy for ex' or it could be a misspelling of the word 'BeeSex'
@@hgh425 That's a more appropriate name for this car! I approve!
hahahahahahah you guys are so funny
I did about 5000km with the Subaru solterra from Norway all the way to Morocco. it was really slow charging in Norway maybe maximum was 75kw and then It would reach 40kw very fast before I would reach 50% , but once in Spain I got consistently 150kW. My strategy from Norway was just to go slow to conserve energy, In Germany I hammered it, and was able to go over 100kW for few percentage. BTW The car has about 30km after the 0km range I tried it in France I suffered non working chargers. if you turn off AC you get more range Anyway I have data from charging at 150kw in Spain, I can share it with you. You should definitely retry it in summer.
Do you recommend it overall? Has the charging situation improved over time with softer updates?
Oh man. The results were pathetic. Toyota blew it this time. Thanks Bjorn for this!
22kw yeah that is pathetic man
Thanks for the reallly great and thorough video! Thanks for creating a follow up video aa well.
Seriously Toyota, you've taken this long and this is what you ship out to customers!?!
I'm sure future software updates will improve things, they simply have to! Given the low baseline it can't be hard to make significant improvements. But the worlds largest automaker really sent a car like this out to paying customers. Wow!
Thanks for another great video Mr Björn
More than double the price of a 28kWh Ioniq and 2.5 hours slower. What are they playing at.
This car is MORE expensive than a Model Y! Lol.
@@jooptablet1727 same in Belgium, the full option is even the same as a model Y performance🤣🤣what the heck are they smoking at Toyota 🤣🤣
@@FrankNolf something very very strong 🔥
In China the BZ4X has a official discount of almost 10000 USD which makes it curry starting under 25000 USD. But most people are still laughing at it for the poor efficiency, charging, range and equipment plus weird design. Basically only customers who are older, don’t know much about cars and have strong trust in the Toyota brand will buy it, and younger customers call it a inferior product.
In China the new offer is: buy this and they give you a second free car (different model)! It sounds like desperation to me. The 10k dollars discount is common in this moment for most of automakers (EV and ICE)
在中国买一辆这车送一辆威驰。
You can get additional car when you buy a car? How is that possible?
@@user-ws7oh6nk7l They give you a Vios for free... it's a promotion (because they can't sell either)
@@user-ws7oh6nk7l Because it’s cheaper than cash discount.
Waiting for this and charging curve since the launch of the bz4x
"Ah! You are back in the car... yes, let's play some music." :-D
Similar consumption to my peugeot e-expert in winter. That is thirsty.
Mine will cool the battery as soon as it's over 20 degrees when charging, but not very hard, it will cool a bit less than it would need to keep the same temperature, so it usually goes up 2-3 degrees during a fast charge.
I've seen the same 100kw charge speed on the 7th fast charge in a day around 0 degrees though. So i'm winning on that point. 😂
Yeah, but those matrix headlights are awesome!
I am quite amaze this bz4x is the 2nd best selling car so far in Q1 23 in Norway.
A lot of disappointed people soon
Once a Toyota driver always a Toyota driver 🤣
The only reason to buy bz4x is that any other EV is out of stock.
Thats just the world we living today, marketing is such a powerfull tool that ppl. dont even need to think they just buy. That car is bad in every single aspect, nothing gives me a premium feeling at all... What is all this buttons all over the place, software absolute nightmare, charging and consumption... Acceleration is also bad, simply nothing is good or outstanding NOT EVEN THE PRICE! Why would anyone consider a BZ4X over a ModelY?
@@kenion2166 as if tesla is any better in terms of build quality. people will notice and complain about the build and finish more than range, it is that simple.
@25:44 - In my Ioniq I plugged an old 3.5mm plug (with no cable) into the Aux port, because every time Bluetooth or Android Auto disconnects, it falls back to the last used source, wich can only be the FM/DAB or AM radio if nothing is connected to the AUX port. And of course the radio is often the loudest source.
Now "listening" to the delightful silenced AUX before connecting BT or AA, stops it from falling back to some loud radio station upon leaving the car.
In the UK I have a FWD with 20 inch wheels. I agree with your poor energy performance findings. At 100% charge, I am getting around 300km (186 miles) indicated range, but as you know the real miles are at least 15% less than that, 255km. However, that is not the full picture. I record the indicated miles at 100% charge, and I am observing a DECLINE in these figures from early January to March by 9%. So in effect my energy consumption is getting worse before I even drive the car. I am not optimistic that the May update is going to give any significant improvement. I did a 210 mile trip on Saturday with a midway charge that I calculated would get me home with about 10 miles to spare. I was 10 miles from home when the miles went to - - - miles. I hadn't experienced that before, so I was a bit anxious. I'm reasonably OK with the rest of the car, but if I knew in December what I know now, I would not have bought it. Very disappointed.
Has things improved with time and software updates? Do you recommend it now?
How would you recommend that People don't buy it?
e-Golf Charching speed for the win
Toyota has totally missed the train to the future...
They put all of there basked into the Hybrid series. and is now desperately catching up in pure EV.
Toyota is new Nokia...
They are falling further and further behind...
They now team up with BYD to save their ass
When has they been leading the technology race? Toyota has lived on selling old tech engines that are reliable thanks to moderate power and actually quite bad fuel consumption compared to others with similar size and weight cars. Not a problem with combustion engines since they been more than good enough since the 90s.
The problem then comes when you apply the same ides to a technology that needs to be on the edge to make it usable in day to day life. The battery will probably last forever with how the bms is set up. I'm guessing the high consumption has to do with having a drivetrain that's over sized, but it will probably last forever.
That is shockingly bad... Toyota has lost the plot. The problem is that many non-EV owners will buy it just cause it is a "reliable Toyota" and have a horrible first experience with EV's vowing never to buy another one.
I think that's their plan. It will backfire, though.
It doesn't take a lot of research to find out that there are way better EVs available at similar budget. Pretty much every review I have seen has slaughtered the bz4x/solterra for terrible range/consumption/charging combo.
@@geirtoresimonsen8729 Toyota people don't read reviews or care.
I hope for a new test once the new software is out AND the ambient temperature is more in line with that of the other drives.
I really like Toyota. I have had multiple Toyota cars and still own an 11 year old Verso. I was hoping that the rumours about the less then great BZ4X were wrong and I could order one with confidence. But after seeing this test I am deeply, deeply disappointed. I hate to admit it, but I think I will pay the Nissan dealer a visit to check out the Ariya.
I wouldn't worry about it. Unlike most people commenting here I think Toyota wants to build a competitive BEV. I think they will. If this is a 1.0 product for them, so be it. Improvements will happen and this is still a car built on an TNGA platform, just the e-TNGA variant. A new platform is in the works and this one will be improved. Toyota knows this one needs to be improved but they needed to put something out there and did. Bjorn said Toyota emailed him and changes are coming in May. I think it's the first of a few that will happen. Maybe consider a later bZ from Toyota as if you live in Europe, Toyota said 6 new models are coming by 2026.
Why bother developing a car which is so bad nobody wants it? Seriously it can’t be that hard to build an okay-ish car as so many Chinese manufacturers show. But building such a lousy car, even if it is their first pure electric car, as the biggest car manufacturer leaves me speechless. I would rather not bet on them - not with that huge competition in EVs (from China alone), not in the next five years or so probably never. They should be ashamed …
Why not the Kia or Hyundai , they have their act together
@@camerascanfly do you know China literally owned 80% of battery production resources and hold many battery patents? ofc they are going to build a better car with that crazy start-up, silly boy. it is just that the west aren't going to open up for byd and other Chinese ev brands.
@@RayNLA Couldn’t agree more!
I have owned many Japanese cars. Never ever again.
3.5 years ago we took delivery of our Model 3, and have never looked back- absolutely bloody fabulous!
Its really a masterpiece to cool a battery down during a "not-so-fast" charging session in winter. And having a 18° to 30°C gradient min/max in the battery, sure ninja tech for long battery life. Are we still sure these Toyota engineers drove this thing before? Where they really engineers?
I have a toyota bz4x .I sure hope that Toyota works on this issue and recalls them to fix the problem.
I am pretty sure Toyota brought this to market in the EU just to reduce the brand's average EU emission output, given that they still produce some of the most popular 100% fossil large 4wd vehicles that are highly inefficient.
Yeah, but to bring the landcruiser average CO2 emissions down you'd need to sell at a 1:1 ratio-and I don't see that happening at present. Maybe if the summer software update fixes things
@@SteveLoughran Yes, but keep in mind that Toyota's hybrids are their most popular selling cars in the EU, and all of those cars have extremely low official emissions, so I think Toyota decided that throwing one or two dedicated electric cars onto the market will equalise the emissions to satisfy the EU regulations. Just my thoughts :)
About Guest Profile --> I would also design to reset every time. To start from the same settings if a new driver needs to use the car.
The bad thing about a car like this is that some Toyota loyalists might buy it, and then have a very poor experience. That may make people think EVs are crap, whereas other options are way better and totally usable for most use cases. This car has some 2010 issues...
Your first two sentences are Toyota's grand plan.
Toyota only wants to sell ICE cars until they go bankrupt
Glad your wheels didn’t fall off.
Toyota have raced from ahead of the game with the Prius to the back of the pack. Well done. 🤣🤣🤣
Watching this, I realise again how good my Kia eNiro is. It doesnt charge faster than 80Kw, but has none of the nasty surprises this Toyota gives! Charging speed goes down when turning on the heater?? LMAO.
I feel sorry for any Toyota brand loyal customers who buy this without doing any research while trusting that Toyota would have engineered a good product.
That’s almost every single person buying this car, unfortunately.
@@joseph-olivierdumas8462 true...
Tesla builds quality and price though, I'll stick with my Mitsubishi Mirage for now until they build a better car than Mirage.
@@GBR9794 Tesla is trash
It’s not that bad if you don’t live in Norway or another cold country
Ok look at this other way: maybe it’s thirsty but at least it charges very slow 😂
Bjørn, do you have the plan to test the new Jeep Avenger with the updated powertrain of Stellantis??
1000km Challenge with vw eup pls
Can gou imagine being a Toyota engineer, and then having to watch this…. I would do harakiri. This is not even good enough for a prototype.
😫🗡️
Hahahahahah
Hi Bjorn , great video. What is the app or software you use for real time consumption figures on your phone?
All in the name of science. I would have understood if you'd bail out. Thanks for sticking with it.
In Germany, Toyota had the advertising slogan “Nothing is impossibleToyota"
Still true
Always keep a couple of AA cells in the glove-box just in case you run out of range a few hundred metres short of the next charger! 😀
I just want to know what Toyota were smoking when they engineered this car. Well, it's probably still going to sell just cause it's a Toyota, which is synonymous to quality for many people. And after all, that's all that matters to Toyota.
That lamp post in Tanum was already crooked in 2021 :)
Love how the Renault Zoe charging curve is slightly flatter 😂
Does Norway get the front wheel drive version with the different battery? That"s the one I"d be interested in seeing.
Looks like a good car for getting some groceries from a nearby shop and not much more. Not for road trips or for anybody driving a lot in a day. IMO
Thanks for your work Bjørn,
I am confused with the « Ambiant temp reading - 40º » ;
was it coming from the AC? If so, what is the deal to cool a battery at an already so low outside temp ???
Only with ignition off (no signal). With ignition on ambient sensor showed -1 Celsius.
it was brilliant to watch and amazingly bad car for 2023 keep her lit
At the 21:00 mark, that's RIME ice , the most scary thing a pilot can experience. Supercooled water that forms into ice when it hits something cold.
Bjorn, you are fun ...E. To heck with engineering stuff. Your show is entertainment!
I get vibes of 2013 RAV4 EV, but with CCS port.
The Toyota bz4x and the cousin Subaru Solterra has entered the EV arena late and needs a lot of catching up to do. Their range and dc fast charging times are not competitive. ITS WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD !!! They better do something fast or they’ll continue to lag behind. It’s been an embarrassing start. The recall back in June started it all. It took Toyota and Subaru almost 4 months to figure out the front hub issue. I originally reserved the Subaru Solterra over a year ago. Had to cancel back in September and proudly own a 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5. The Ioniq 5 was motor trend SUV of the year. That’s a well thought EV and it’s competitive.
Apparently in hot weather ac charging stops at 48A and hyundai says oops, bad luck 🙂
Bjorn, did you check that the DC charging power setting is set to MAX?
P.125 of the manual.
Of course.
Toyota made a great advert for Tesla.
I became a fan of him, simply by the way he says "shiiiieeeettt" LOL.
That ice is rime ice. The moisture in the air is liquid but supercooled and freezes as soon as it comes into contact with something. It's a problem for airplanes too but they have de-iceing systems to help.
I doubt it was doing any favours to the aerodynamics of the vehicle.
I drive Subaru Solterra and to get the most range on the highway is to put the drive mode to Eco, and turn off single puddle and don't use paddle shifters to regen...best is to coast
Hopefully Toyota will take your feedback and update the firmware.
They emailed him about this. They said they will.
Thanks for the info I was thinking about getting this car for my parents but now I won’t! Will stick w tesla or mayb Hyundai we’ll c..
After 3 years of Tesla I don't think I could could handle this software and charging experience. That was painful to watch.
Ditto. 3.5 years of fabulous Tesla M3P ownership and we could never go back.
Oh dear, what a pity, it had the potential to be a really good car. Poor effort, better BEV results on a 10 year old leaf? It a close run snail race.
Great factual video as usual, thanks Bjørn.
It's slow and thirsty, but worse it's inconsistent. Sometimes 60kw, sometimes only 20kw with no obvious reason.
Hi @Bjørn can you test the new Smart #1? thx
why does it limit speeds? Thermal build up - bad cooling in the battery system? Are they claiming its software and can be fixed? edit: heck battery wasn't even hot - what are they doing??
I'm pretty sure that if you complain in the dealer about the car, they will tell you... BUT WE HAVE THIS AMAIZING TOYOTA MIRAI that can do (I don't know the range of the car) and charges in 5 minutes... (except if a lot of people charged the hidrogen before you... and this kind of stuff)
Good job driving all these and measuring the data. Shame that Renault Zoe is so low on the list. I was hoping a lot from it...
Please test the Vinfast vf8
This car BZ4Xs balls …
LMAO. Thank you for the laugh!
this slow charging stuff reminds me of the old days with me still on 56k and your friends having dsl internet broadband at 256k or 640k
leeching stuff over mIRC
Ambient air temperature: -40 C
30:25, seat heater is On, could at full that be what’s using the power ?
As slow as Renault Zoe!!!
Glad Toyota listen and are implementing software update and allowing more DC charging, etc…, as at the moment is poor… I just can’t understand why it’s 2nd best selling EV in Norway!!
After those updates…, still sounds to me as way behind competition…
yeah well I don't think that's gonna sell...so slow at charging...great video keep up the good work
Oh you watch. There are people who have seen this video that still have an interest in buying it. Never underestimate the amount and level of stupidity out there. Never.
We have reached a point where Chinese EV cars have surpassed TOYOTA's EV car. 😂😂😂
Is this the 2wd or 4wd model? I've seen that the 4wd is slow at charging and poor consumption, but the 2wd is meant to be better (different battery supplier) .
Would be good to see how that one does
Toyota has already communicated that it does not want to build BEVs through its permanent anti-BEV advertising.
It has now also been proven that Toyota cannot build BEVs either.
The next 5 years will be exciting as far as international market shares are concerned!