Toyota bZ4X AWD 70-MPH Highway Range Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ค. 2023
- Kyle tests the Toyota bZ4X AWD Limited (US Spec with CATL Battery) in our typical 70-mph highway range test. The vehicle has a 222mi EPA range rating, let's see how far it goes in our test!
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Nobody does testing procedures as well as Kyle. Thank you for the extra effort you put in to make sure these tests are as accurate as possible.
Bjorn does better
Maybe for US But for Europe Bjorn Nyland does a very comprehensive test .
@@letsgobrandon5800 Bjorn puts in fudge factors like subtracting time when he feels like the Charger took longer than he likes. He doesn’t keep his procedures consistent at all. He guesstimates on way too many things.
@@LearningFast is that why he has a ton more subscribers than Kyle? Asking for a friend.
@@letsgobrandon5800 I think the EU demanded a larger subscriber count.
Really appreciate all you do Kyle to keep us informed about all things EV. We test drove a long range Model Y. It was very impressive and we will probably make the jump soon. I have a 12 year old Toyota ICE Highlander now and at 79 years old, I'm ready to make the move to EV. It seems to me that Tesla has by far the best DC charging infrastructure. They seem to make the most sense right now
Just beware of Tesla reliability, which hopefully Toyota will beat with greater EV range in the future.
NACS charging in question now that the muskhole has fired the entire network building team, 500 people, in the last couple days. That said, there are also still other networks to choose from, and home charging is the go-to unless road tripping anyway.
Great review! Wish we had seen this sooner as we just bought a BZ4X last week. Nevertheless, we absolutely love the car. We knew that the range was a lot smaller compared to the other direct competitors out there, and that the charging may be a bit slower (?) but I wonder if there's a new update or will be a new update for that. For what it's worth, we got the car about $13,000 below MSRP. They applied the $7,500 credit in California so that's a win, and we got it for the invoice price from the dealer. So from a financial standpoint, it made sense, as the monthly payment was a lot cheaper (more than half) in comparison to a Tesla. With that said, the good thing is we don't travel far that often. When we do, it's like once every 3 months. I think this car is great for us given that I work from home most of the time, and when I'm at the office it's literally 8 miles away. The same for my fiance, her job is literally 8-10 miles away 3x a week. We're even using a level 1 at home (for now), and we're able to get the car at 90% the next morning. In regards to far drives, the good news is I love taking breaks (I have IBS - sorry for TMI), so I don't mind hanging out for a bit charging the car.
I’m in Calif as well. Where did you buy the car? 13k below MSRP? That’s unheard of nowadays
@@robertf3340 north Hollywood!
@@ggpaul562 Thanks for the info brother. Have a blessed day
Still a fantastic car and now after the latest update it charges faster and the range is improved
@@robertf3340 Probably because no one wants it
Another great effort and video. I've owned only Toyota vehicles for the past 40 years. Recently bought a GV60 and sold our 2010 RX350. Current trends at Toyota will probably end our future purchases of their vehicles. As a retired person in the late 50s, the GV60 fits our lifestyle perfectly. Our recent trip from Los Angeles to Yosemite, was the first of many EV adventures to come.
Bjørn Nyland tested the new sw and talked at length about the improved DCFC throttling logic. It works on a point system and he called it “Punishment Points”. Pretty interesting once you know the logic, you can count “Punishment Points” in order to plan your trip. Still a ridiculous system but power users are starting to figure it out.
We'll have to see how the new software is with the CATL battery too.
Bjorn enjoys that sort of detail, but ordinary drivers will avoid all the issues by simply not buying this useless car
BZ4X power users. What a concept.
Very good review. I have the Subaru version of this car (Solterra Limited) and love it, for the reasons you said while driving this car. The ride is great and it is very comfortable. Some people have commented that they don't like the display that is in front of the steering wheel, but for me it is one of my favorite things about the car. I knew going in that the range wasn't that great and the charging was slow. But for my lifestyle, charging at home is almost 100% of what I will be doing. I think the Limited version of the Solterra (Premium is the entry and Touring is the top trim) is just at the right price point. When I bought it (mid-May) it was about 5-7k less than either the cheapest AWD Model Y (they have since dropped in price) and the cheapest AWD Ioniq 5 or EV6. The only things close to it were the ID4 and Mach-E (which was nearly impossible to get close to where I live), and I liked the looks of the Solterra better than the ID4. So for me, it was the cheapest way to get into an AWD EV SUV, and I have had no regrets since buying it. Mine was also made later than the ones during the recall, so the battery problem hasn't been a factor for me.
Fantastic test by Kyle as usual. I feel sorry for the North American market and the CATL battery packs. The UK Spec AWD is Panasonic and is a superior experience. That DC charging to 100% at the star of the video was horrible. AC charging to 100% is much faster on the Panasonic pack. My average for June so far is 4.2miles/kWh with about 250miles range (usually with ECO on and AC off). I got the software update 3 weeks ago - the guessometer / climate control / AC is now more accurate and I think we they moved about 3% of reserve into the main battery. I should say that I rarely do motorway miles and that so far I'm loving the BZ4X experience.
Nice video as always
I really enjoy these test videos. Cuts through all the corporate bullshit.
he needs the clean his windshield before filming!
When you're an automaker who was lucky enough to have a vehicle that was a collaboration with Tesla for two years (2012-2014 RAV4 EV), you should've had enough data to put out a very polished first EV 10 years later in terms of software, charging and range.
Love your crazy tests all facts…. NO BS…
Thanks, Kyle. Not too far off of EPA, which is really my standard for EVs at this point. Getting close to EPA Combined miles at 70 mph steady driving speeds should really be the minimum bar.
When GM has discontinued the Bolt, which put up arguably better numbers for about $25K, this is 100% DOA for anyone paying attention. A neighbor just bought a Nissan Ariya, so I guess there will always be a sucker out there though.
He will defend his choice of junk till his death. Humans are incapable of admitting defeat or wrong decisions.
Just like the Fiero and EV1, leave it up to GM to phuc it up once they create a decent vehicle. Bunch of dummies.,.,
People don’t understand any of this stuff maybe basic range but kw hours? Mi/kw? They don’t really understand these things.
@@ben3989 Then they will either learn it or always be scammed and loose all of their money.
Either you learn the lingo, stay out of the business or get buggered and ridiculed by everyone else.
kWh = the capacity of your battery. The amount you charge (+), the amount you use while driving (-)
mi/kWh = how far you can go with one load.
kW = Power, the more the better
h = one hour
mi = one mile
10-80% the usual range in which you charge your car. Not below 10% not above 80%. Why? To maintain a long lasting battery.
They do not ever want to go to zero and stay there - if you do that you destroy your battery, which usualy means you destroy your car. And in extreme cases of mishandling your batteries you may destroy your house.
They do not want to stay @ 100% - except for LFP type batteries, but they are currently rarely used. Again: If you do that too often you destroy your battery and in extreme cases your garage and house.
The Germans have a nice saying to that "Steht er dann lädt er". Which means every time your car is parked and can be plugged in - you plug it in and charge to 80 or 90%.
I always charge to 90% with my Teslas, they are good enough for less safety. And the standard Teslas have LFP batteries and can be charged to 100% permanently without giving you troubles.
Learn this or stop using a car by yourself.
Great info. Appreciate it
Keep in mind, Toyota is guaranteeing 90% capacity over 10 years. This is why the battery performance does not match some of the other competitors out there
Thanks for your coverage of these issues-good job!
I’ve seen you use an OBD2 app for monitoring EV battery and charging system variables. Is either the OBD adapter or the app special with regard to EV monitoring? Please advise…
He mentioned the name of the app in the video, but I've used Torque Pro to monitor my Chevy Bolt before. You do have to teach the software what messages on the CAN bus mean what things and that can be a little unusual with EVs - there are published PID lists for several bits of software out there and more EV-centric software already looks for them.
Any OBD2 adapter that is compatible with your phone is likely fine. All EVs send signals on the CAN bus that a basic adapter can understand - even Tesla (though in a Tesla you will require a sub-$20 hardware adapter to hook up a standard OBD2 reader).
In the 80's, both Toyota and Honda had a 3 gallon "reserve" when the gas guage said dead empty. On those cars, it meant some 90 more miles at highway speed.
(Toyota said this was because if the fuel ran that low, the pump might suck air from the tank, causing backfires and catalyst damage.) But still, they were building in a generous reserve past "empty".
In this case it’s about 5 kWh of “ reserve”…..which is only good for about 15 or so miles.
Thank you so much for this review of... that charger in Loveland. I'm visiting family there in August and since my folks don't have anything more than 120 in their garage I will need to use it a lot :p
Bjorn calculated 5 kWh hours available below a stated zero. He actually got less than 212 miles, but very close.
The Mach E driver is obviously an ex BMW driver. Judging by the way he parked
9:15 I laughed at that Mach-e Parking two spots 🤣
Hey @OutofSpecReviews. Just read on InsideEVs that the 2024 BZ4X AWD models now charge at 150KW and have retuned charging software. Hoping you could do a review to see if this shows any improvement in previous poor showings.
Such a strange instrument cluster....
at least it has one. ;)
@@petehelme7714 I like cars without them. Much cleaner, less distracting. More focus on the road.
My R1T is similar with regard to GOM discrepancy between driver display and center display. The driver display, near as I can tell, is a range estimate based on what the Rivian *can* do (just a simple estimate based on overall range figures for a given mode and battery level) while the estimate in the NAV (during an active route/journey) is more accurate, and often at least 20% lower when doing the math than the driver display estimate (i.e., miles to destination + est miles remaining at destination is often well below the overall estimate range). I’m in the middle of a 2500 mile road trip in the R1T and this drives me nuts.
Eco climate probably turns on the seat cooler because it's more efficient to cool just your butt than it is to cool the whole cabin!
As with heating, more efficient to direct more AC to the seats rather than the cabin.
I believe Leaf deg is primarily due to poor chemistry and no charge limit. My e-Golf has no active cooling, either, but I daily charge to 80% or 90% and after 5 years and 55,000 miles the pack has about 8% deg.
The overhead 360 camera fills in the parking lot under the car? That's a pretty cool feature! Watch at the 8:55 mark. 8:55
I'm buying a Subaru Solterra in a few weeks and have been watching your content as the vehicles are nearly identical and there isn't as much content on the Solterra. I'm curious if you plan to do a cold weather and snow performance comparison between the two models.
Just wondering, but what app is that you’re using on your iPhone?
Oh my gosh - I knew from all the conversations that the charging scenarios for the Soltera/BZ4X twins was bad but, hold crap - that's just unbelievably poor
I guess any time you can drive a bZ4X over 200 miles without a wheel falling off counts as a win.
LOL, Solterra too. Bad lugs or nuts cost them 18 months of production.
Is it possible that eco mode is cooling the seats because that's more efficient than cooling all of the air?
I’m surprised you didn’t mention any compensation, or not, for the headlights being on. And, I don’t remember if the headlights were on for other range daytime tests(?). How many miles do you figure for having the headlights on?
A few years ago you would never hear someone saying - glad I bought my Kia or Hyundai and not a Toyota - but not the case now. Our Ioniq 5 seems so much better in about every way, build, range, charging speed, software and power... I have already seen bz4x's showing up in carmax ads with under 2000 miles so people are giving them 2-3 months and saying nope...
You still won't other then idiots who forget the most important part: it's a toyota, it'll outlive the planet itself, id trust a kia/Hyundai as far as I could throw it, same for all the other bev manufacturers
@@mysteryboyee that's fine but you haven't driven the Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, Kia EV6, Genesis GV60, & GV70. South Koreans have executed on BEV's, you can choose to believe it, or not.
Like Kyle mentioned, this will likely be a great deal as a used car if you can get it for 1/2 to 2/3rds of what it cost new. But for the price you pay to get a new one, there are so many other better EV's out there that unless you badly want a Toyota EV, you should just get one of those alternatives he mentioned like the Mach-E, Model Y, Ioniq 5, or EV6.
This car should've came out back in 2018 at the latest if Toyota wanted it to sell well.
What is the app you used for battery monitoring? Will it work on a Tesla??
This car should not exist. Considering their new leadership and direction, Toyota will drop this car like a bad habit soon.
I’ve seen 88kw peak on my AWD xle. It’ll only keep that if the SOC is quite low and the temps are good
Hi Kyle. The Toyota bZ4X, Subaru Solterra and Lexus RZ450e all have 64 kWh usable available. That is for a NEW condition battery at a normal operating temperature.
Cars sold new in North America with All Wheel Drive (AWD) have CATL cells in the battery, and tend to charge at these ridiculously slow speeds (less than 100 kW), and the charging speed is DRASTICALLY reduced when the battery is cold. The bZ4X with Front Wheel Drive (FWD) has Panasonic cells, and will charge significantly faster (less than 150 kW) than the CATL cell battery.
There is a software update for Europe that changes the “reserve” (when the Guess-O-Meter shows zero miles or km remaining) from 8% (about 5 kWh) battery capacity to 5% (about 3 kWh). The overall usable battery capacity remains 64 kWh. This software is NOT available in North America.
The range would be, therefore ( depending on your energy consumption):
2 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 128 miles
3 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 192 miles
4 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 256miles
The usable, if we include the 5 kWh reserve is probably closer to 68 kWh in the Bz. Total is about 72 or so. Toyota won’t let you totally dip into the capacity and “ run it dry”. Very conservative battery management.
@@letsgobrandon5800 , no, that’s not correct. 64 kWh is useable both before and after the software update. There is 8% “reserve” before the software update (not currently available in North America), which leaves about 59 kWh until the Guess-O-Meter (GOM) shows zero, and about 5 kWh “reserve”. For cars in Europe with the software update, the reserve is reduced to 5%, or about 3 kWh, which allows 61 kWh available until the GOM shows zero… MORE RANGE (but not really).
No, there isn’t “68 kWh” available under ANY circumstance, but there may be 64 kWh available as the battery degrades. Toyota did a similar scheme with the 2012-2014 Toyota RAV4 EV.
@@QCCHARGE Bjorn’s car was approx 68-69 kWh pack usable , with total of about 72-73. His was not an American BZ4.
Please do the 10% challenge on the Bolt EV!!!
I would love to see a range test on the Jaguar I-Pace
Im driving to Orlando from Atlanta tomorrow morning. And thank god there are about 50 fast chargers on the way there. So Im not having any range anxieties but how long its going to take. Where the hell is the software update.
Bjorn Nyland just did a test in Norway with the new version of the software and it now charges faster and has a lower buffer.
I would love to see you test out how motor and battery temperature affect efficiency. Yes, low battery temperatures reduce efficiency but through some testing I have done it also looks like high motor temperatures and even high battery temperatures will reduce efficiency. At least with a Tesla vehicle fast charging right before the test is detrimental to the efficiency. When you Precondition at home with scheduling it always tries to maintain temps between 70-80 degrees F. That is actually the ideal temperatures for efficiency. However, if you precondition for supercharging then the motor and battery temps can exceed 130 degrees F even after you are done charging. I would love to see you test this.
29:55 gives the answer, 212 miles, which is close to what Bjorn got out of this.,…..,absolutely pitiful range compared to others in its class.
Yes you can beat it with a Bolt for half the price.
@@SkaBob Also 2 kW at 95%? What the hell was Toyota thinking with this car????
What's phone app and tool you use to monitor the battery state?
Is there a more disappointing BEV for sale today? I kind of doubt it.
Man
One with matte fender does look better than glossy one
Tested by Bjorn Nyland Norway after update. 140 kw charging sppeed 3,8 per day. It is perfect now. Could be better ofcours.
Would be nice to have a spreadsheet with all the results
The fact that the VW software is better than this car is really saying something.
and...they got much better the last 3 months (VW), looks like they get their stuff together
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Heheh. yah... except my ID.4 recall repairs, which includes updating the software, is currently scheduled for October. October 2024 that is. Not even this year! That said, the VW software bugs only amount to minor annoyances. They get amplified by EV review channels, but they aren't really show-stoppers for actually using the vehicle.
..and the id.4 rear windows work. Albeit with only a pair of window switches.
Version 3.1 the 2022 and 2023 ID.4s have is pretty good honestly. 2021s are getting updated to that version too.
I agree, it does say something. Confusing software from dash screen to the center screen is dangerous to the car and passengers. EV cars and battery technology have a long way to go. If you can't just get in a car and drive, in my opinion is just not worth buying. I will stick to my hybrid car
Is there an online file with comparative results for all the cars you tested in this challenge?
Bjorn Nyland does one on each test and uses comparable and shows deltas.
I couldn’t find one. It would be useful
Kyle can you do a video on how the charging cables are being cut all across California it's happening everywhere
Same around Settle, the people who use to steal cats found out they can get $10 in scrap value for a charging cable.
@@SkaBob and the recycling companys should find out what materials r in the cables and when someone comes thru with those materials shouod be reported and I hope when they do find them , the have to pay restitution for the damages , they Gon find em one thing I found out, ppl don't mind telling on you at all. It'll be a matter of time
I bought the Lexus Rz450e Premium used. It was specked out at $65,000 and picked it with 3200 miles T $47,000. I was fully aware of the range. My daily commute is about 10 miles round trip and during the summer round trips about 160 miles. No issues so far.
take the 20's off and put on the 18's. It will make 30-33mi range difference.
@@adamneill9237 I got 18's. I may get some light weight 18's @~18-20lb to save around ~60lb of unsprung weight. It could very well add 6-10% more mileage since it will take less engery to turn the wheels.
I'm staying w/ the stock size on my Ioniq 5 SEL which is 19" but the new wheels will be 7lbs lighter. That plus the warmer temps coming, I could see up to 35mi of range.
Is there any way to confirm the dealer actually performed the software update that came out this year
I can’t conceive why they are doing the same mistakes that manufacturers did previously with their first ev. It’s like they are in their bubble and not seeing what’s happening in the rest of the world. Amazing
where do you get Torque PIDs that are used in video?
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I noticed you made a comment about why buy inferior for the same money. If you're taking my feedback I appreciate it.
Are you using Torque Pro on that phone?
The number on the dash seems to be based on the total fuel economy of the vehicle. I have the 2023 Prius with a similar range estimate, having done some idling shortly after I got it drastically dropped what that estimate says and it has slowly gone up since then even when my trips get identical fuel economies.
great review. people need to know about the real life experience of a EV
Toyota: See? EV cars suck.
Everyone else: Hydrogen cars suck.
So used to watching in 4K, this 360p is definitely different
its still processing you have to come back in a few hours
That section of I-25 from Denver to Ft. Collins seems to be eternally under construction ... what's wrong with the Colorado DoT?
They’ve been widening the interstate & expanding the light rail system for years from Denver to Ft Collins. Looks near completion now.
Looks like 2024 AWD now has improved charging speeds with 20% to 80% in 35min. Would love to find out if its software of hardware changes from 2023 to 2024
Don't feel like watching the video but pro tip as soon as you turn on the a/c you lose 50 miles of range. If you keep it on eco and have the engine brake on it will help a lot.
Did you run the range test with the AC On.? If not try again.
Maybe it's buried in the 300 comments I see, but what is the name of the battery monitoring phone app he is using?
No over the air update? What year is this?
Toyota.
Did you noticed that you turned AC off when you were starting The test (about 10.40 on video) and instead accidentally put on the steering wheel-warmer to auto-setting, The AC auto-button was dimmed and wasn't on 😅😅
So the EPA range is accurate.
9:10 Nicely double parked there, Mach-E driver.
You are too kind, Kyle. Toyota needs to work hard to improve this car with serious updates.
How far will it travel in the winter?🎉
I would also like to say that going from an ICE car to the Solterra was an easy transition.
The BZ4X makes me feel real good about the charging curve on the Leaf.
I bought the bz4x in April 2023 brand new. I used to get a range of at least 225 fully charged. It’s now January 2024 and I’m only getting 185 fully charged. It has not even been a year and the miles are dropping. Is this normal for a EV? Is there something I could do to bring that number back up?
I feel ya man 🤦🏾♂️ maybe raise tire pressure to 44 psi or higher. And try draft with adaptive cruise control behind a semi. These two things make/made a world of a difference in my long range driving 😊
Stays at 7.2 kW on A/c from what my ChargePoint charger tells me and also my Sense device!
What is the difference between this car and the car Bjørn Nyland charged which had 146 kW?
@michalwilk8135
3 months ago
Tested by Bjorn Nyland Norway after update. 140 kw charging sppeed 3,8 per day. It is perfect now. Could be better ofcours.
My 2014 Tesla Model S P85D got 213.5mi last time I did a 70mph range test and charged from 0 - 100% in 1 hour and 54 minutes (with a broken louvre). Congrats Toyota, you're where Tesla was 9 years ago 🤣
You are conveniently forgetting the price difference (in today's inflated dollars).
Hmmm. How much was Model S P85D in 2014, and how much would that be worth today?
And what's the actual selling price (after dealer markup) of BZ4X in the version that Kyle tested?
I'm guessing those two numbers will be pretty close. But for a much fairer comparison, look at Model S 85, without the P and the D. I'll bet that comes out about the same as upper trim BZ4X after inflation adjustment.
@@davidmenasco5743 funny you guys compare apple to orange, if you wanna compare, then its Model X not Model S. And no the prices wont be even close specially with the “inflation”.
@@BA-ht8bg Oops!! I was thinking backwards on the inflation, lol.
But still, the 2014 Model S 85 has longer range, faster charging and actually almost the same cargo space with seats up, and MORE with seats folded down. Plus a big frunk. You can find them on sale used today for around $23,000. If you bought one, you could replace the battery and suspension and come out with a better car for the same price as a new BZ4X. But then again, the battery would be fine for another several years so really no need to fuss with that.
@@davidmenasco5743 like i was saying, you cant compare apple with orange, model S is not a SUV, model x is, and it costed twice as bz4x back in 2014. And no sane person will buy a used model s and pay $20k to replace battery, with a big chance of many other important and expensive components be needing replacement like drive motors, AC compressor, suspension parts…
The BiZzy ForX is all forked up... if you NEVER need to use it for a trip then it looks to be okay, though the user interface looks to be way behind the competition. As noted its features and functions do not match up with comparably priced EVs available today.
Toyota has placed themselves WAY behind the game in the EV world. If they don't step up their game really fast they're going to be in deep trouble as the industry leaves them behind.
I live nyc they are pricing in for me at 329 including taxes and fees lease at 10k per year lease for 36 months. BTW this is the limited edition in red
In Canada the BZ4X is much more competitively priced and it gets the full federal and provincial EV tax credits which in BC amounts to $9000 cdn. You can get a 2023 FWD version, after taxes for under 50 grand Cdn (if you can find one...), which is a steal. The FWD version with the 18in tires should get at least 10% more range than with the 20in tire AWD version with a smaller battery pack. The FWD version is fully completive with the M3/MY RWD versions along with the small battery RWD versions of the Mach-E and i5/EV-6 RWD versions.
And it has normal door handles. A fairly decent EV. Nice angular lines.
@@marcg1686 do the wheels stay on?
@@letsgobrandon5800 Yes, they do now.
I got FWD for $48k CAD (taxes included) in Quebec. Price seems good
50K robbery
I don't know how Kyle keeps such a positive attitude. A $50,000 car getting sub 200 miles starting at 100% and ending at 0%, neither of which most people would do in the real world, is horrendous. Plus this is in ideal conditions. In winter, in windy conditions, on hills, after some degradation, etc. this thing will be sooooooo bad. Time to call a turd a turd.
yes, that's why you can find quite a few w/
Let's hope that no rental company is ever thinking of getting those added to their EV fleet. For somebody that only charges at home and only drives within the neighborhood that car might be an option. For anybody else, especially trying to replace their ICE car, it would be a "stay away from this" recommendation.
if you have a charger where you park, it's not really an issue. I have a charger at home and an audit etron with weaker ranger compared to others and the range is not an issue at all.
OEMs don't seem to get that the numbers that matter for EV viability/practicality have very little to do with the vehicles performance, it's all about the charging. Infrastructure and charge performance are everything. Now don't get me wrong, the vehicles matter, that's the other half of the equation, but when you're targeting the "practical" market, you can't just ignore the most important part. This car is going to flop unfortunately imo.
I'm surprised at the technical shortfall for Toyota. My BMW i4 gets up to 4.1 miles/kwh (vs 3 for the Toyota).
Toyota is still upgrading the car Björn Nyland has shown that in his tests recently
@@alanmay7929 Still pure junk. No update can save this disaster of a car.
@@alanmay7929 This is still a dev platform - for customers - for the next generation they should be much better
@@Harrythehun yeah that’s what a kid can say! Your tesla didn’t get there in one day so keep talking trash! I’m not a fan of either brand but improvement is what works so cheers!!
@@alanmay7929 it’s not about fandom. Facts don’t lie.
Please help nag Toyota USA to get us that update! I feel these tests improve!!
You should upgrade the scanner software to send some $$ to the developer(s). They deserve it.
Wow. Better than I thought considering how much this car gets trashed. Seems like the major thing is just if you are a road tripper, it's definitely not for you. Even that seems to depend on the individual as I see a lot of youtube vids with people road tripping their Bolts and they seem to manage.
So this new EV is comparable to old EV that came out several years ago
The performance would be fine if it were a $25k car.
But it isn’t.
I owned a 2019 Bolt and drove it almost 40k miles in 2 years. I tolerated it’s slow charging because I bought it for $28k brand new. I replaced it with an Ioniq5 that costs nearly 2x and has only about the same (slightly more) highway range, but does road trips _sooooooo_ much better. 18 minutes 10-80% in the Ioniq5 vs 30 minutes 10-50% and an hour 10-80% in the Bolt. Not to mention how much more quiet and comfortable it is.
@@ouch1011 as a former Bolt owner( Premier) , I agree. It charges as slow as molasses in January. However, once charged, it almost always got it’s stated range, city or highway. Chevy said 259 in EPA and I Never got less than 250 miles from a full pack, so I give GM kudos for that. Much more accurate range estimates than Tesla. However, road tripping the Bolt was out of the question. Wife has zero patience for extended charging sessions. For that, the TDi is the clear champion. I am still sad that Mary Barra killed yet another car that was finally getting refined to the point of being quite good. The Bolt joins the Volt and the Cruze as cars greatly missed.
lol @ the Mach-E driver's parking job.
Toyota is trying to prove their point: "EVs suck. Look, they can only charge on DC for 2 or 3 times before they stop charging. Hybrids and Hydrogen are so much better." If only they can convince the other EV manufacturers to restrict their EVs to do the same, it could work. NOT!!!!!!!
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Such an ignorant take. Toyota plays it safe. Their brand Image is reliability and longevity. They rather lose customers from slow charging, then early battery issues. So they use conservative battery management and give one million kilometers warranty on the battery pack.
@@simson4t but what's the point of wanting to deliver those claims if almost no-one drive such mileage? It would have been better to give the customers an option for speed or longevity like Porsche does
@@simson4t "So they use conservative battery management and give one million kilometers warranty on the battery pack." Yes, thats why they are being bought in Norway. But the norwegians do not have problems with their batteries. Never had any.
Toyota already faces major lawsuits because they can not keep their promises, not with charging, not wieth range, not with power and certainly not with rust free.
They do not need "conservative battery management", which is of course Humbug.
BMW has similar DC fast charge restrictions.
Imagine if that charging station was pay by the minute. Toyota really needs to address this issue with the charging.
You can get an Kia Evo 6 GT with that same range but at least have a nice performance vehicle.
Review “buy it used if the values tank”.
I was just was at the dealership for parts for my wife's Prius. So I had a look. A few pennies short of $50,000 MSRP. Real world usable range 180 to 190 miles. What is the difference between Kyle's drive to zero and the real world? In the real world you never drive to zero (just like you never run a gas car till it's empty unless you are a fool). You also need a range buffer to get to 2nd charge station just in case the one you are going to does not work or there is an accident or construction that requires a detour. That's the real world. Just ask any EV owner if they have ever made it to a charger only to have it fail. The other day I stopped at a bank of 10 Electrify America chargers. All 10 had failed. Back to the bZ4X. It looks nice. For $50K it should. But the limited range will make it game stopper for most buyers. Too bad. I had high hopes for Toyota since I owned 2 Prius's in the past and was happy with them.
Not using the features meant to increase efficiency in the car doesn't seem like it's a true reflection of how someone will use this car. The seat coolers, just like the seat and leg warmers, are "eco" because they save range