he was stabbed ,unconscious they would've searched him when he was being healed. So that's not a thing... also in real life they would've abandoned him, why would you trust a guy that even has the choice to blow you up, specially after his pawl told him "it's your choice now"
@@lordmorgoth7 Tom made a deal, and could easily say the captain was going senile. That guy just saved Tom's life and took out Klim's Mutiny and had a deal to get you your fuel rods that do actually work. Tom simply could have wanted to keep his word. But yeah if they found the Det on Sam they'd probably have left him behind and destroyed the Detonator.
MAN!!! I think like you!!! What do you think happend with Captain? The Tom guys kill him? He accept to bring Sam at home or what... Captain close Tom, many people in the Sub Sympathize to Captain and somebody dont like Tom. Fo now... The last f*cking question you want to get an answer to, THAT HAPPEND WITS GODDAMN CAPTAIN!
@@ivansmirnoff6987 war is only still going on, if people keep fighting it. The war ended when everyone nuked themselves. If you want to keep it going, shoot first. and make sure you dont stop shooting. but im not going to do that, i would nuke the world, but once its broken? now it can be fixed.
@Average Leader he’s saying that the old world, it’s leaders, and it’s sometimes bureaucratic way of doing things like ending wars is dead and long gone. Russia and America as they knew no longer exists, so what’s the point in continuing the war? There is none, there is no longer a reason to fight each other. with the going to America ending, the people on the sub are Russians and two Americans and guess what, they’re allies with each other; they no longer feel the need to fight with each other because they witnessed first hand what it did to the earth. The only way the war will continue is if someone shoots first and why in the world would someone shoot first?
your right in my opinion cause Tom doesn't feel like a complete dick and i don't think he would actually use the nukes on settlements but as a scare tactic to get people on his side plus even the settlers in his old settlement didn't make him out to be a cruel ruler but more of an ains ooal gown from the overlord manga type of villain
@@roderickvincent3840 your right in every way and personally the good option is more like the ugly option really since its both good and bad so its right in the middle but hey its better than being stuck in Russia and that ending was sad as well. Sad that the captain dies either way I mean cmon hes so heart like but hey I guess in every metro game at least one good character sadly dies in the end.
@@titanking8755 and also sam could actually kill tom in the next game if he's goes too far and that would be an awesome game sam and his father working together to bring down Tom
@@roderickvincent3840 lol that would and they problaly will work on something like that and I don't doubt for a second that the endings and story line will be good just like the DLC here if u excuse me now though lol I have to do a ton of work in 7 hours
This dlc was amazing! Fully voiced Sam protag done by the Legendary Steve Blum The new pistol and assault rifle with incendiary rounds were awesome. And getting an all clear to go lethal stealth without any morality repercussions.
Yeah I just finished the DLC today. Finally getting able to stealth to my full capabilities without having to rein myself in for morality points was great.
@@mikedurkin_ From what I can tell, there's only a few things that will impact the story. Holstering your weapon upon meeting the captain, sparing the sniper, and some other things I can't remember off the top of my head. Aside from that, you can just go hog wild and butcher your way through the DLC lmao
Just a quick reminder about the story, Kozch (The sniper in one of the playthrough where you have to apprehend) has been rumoured to see a large aeroplane (AC-130 perhaps?) roam around the south of Vladivoska, it's a detail you will miss if you don't pay attention to the locals having conversation cuz they were a lot of rumours about it, This might be a teaser of such for a sequel or who knows I might just be overanalyzing...
Sam comes to his home in San Diego. And sees: NCR soldiers patrolling the area. Deathclaws playing peek-a-boo with ghouls. Then, The Courier approaches him and says: Welcome to the club, buddy.
NCR Soldiers patrolling into walls. Deathclaws disappearing randomly and Ghouls t-posing. Then, The Courier flys by at 356 Mph performing the rocket jump while slowly becoming deformed and says: Welcome to the club, buddy. Sam leaves.
The fact that there’s so much debate over which is the “good” ending shows just how well written the ending was, it’s not a black and white right or wrong choice, it’s a moral dilemma, it’s up to you to decide. Will he use those nukes? Maybe, maybe not, it’s up to you to decide if it’s a risk worth taking.
@@rahul-qm9fi i think we'll get our answer in the next metro game if there ever is one and even though Artyom's story is over and depending on what ending of sam's story is canon his story is just beginning
Tom's less likely to use the nukes than the Russian guy you kill at the end of this. Even less so now that he's out of the picture. Hell, he even might reuse the nukes' warheads to powerup a nuclear power plant to revive a whole city.
@@MrBlaster500 in the novels it was sligthly worse. Artyom was kept a slave by the nazis for a few weeks and after that fought to death in a battle royale against some red army prisoners with things like pickaxes, shovels and hammers in a dark tunnel.
@@racersolid9443 it's kinda different from the games, has a lot of weird things on the level of the people praising the catfish like in Exodus. The only one really close to the games was 2033. The narrative focus more on the super natural and power struggles between the factions in the Metro. Artyom is not a super slavic killing machine like in the games XD
@@serjrocks even better,artyom game version is really overpowered, like mad crazy,when anna worried about him in the terminal i was like "wifey he killed big momma and nuked the dark ones with your dad so this one is child's play to him" His deeds in previous game is really crazy.
Both endings have some good and bad in them, but following Sam and his time with Artyom and Miller... I doubt he would betray what he stood for all these years.
I agree having now seen both endings that Sam would have chosen to blow up the sub. However i chose to get Sam home because after all these years in the metro he deserves to get back. Also I like submarines.
@@illliiiiillliii6265 nah Tom is just following what his forefathers did to open up Japan to trade; powerful weapons and a show of force helped open East Asia to the Europeans. They wouldn't actually nuke cities over it, much less his own country
In my playthrough I was really divided between destroying the sub or not. But after being impaled by Klim I finally decided to keep it intact. Sam crossed literally half world to get the chance to go home, and, after almost losing his life, he deserved it. Also, he is in his 40s, and may never have other chance to see his father
That's actually why I think that's so immoral. His dad is dead. It's so improbable that he's still alive that you can say that with a good degree of certainty. He's risking more atrocities on the pipe dream of seeing likely a 70-80 year old man who would've had to have been in the right place at the right time when the bombs fell, in a location where radiation was kept at bay, food/water/medical attention were readily available, and the new leadership wasn't insane or murderously oppressive. He's risking those atrocities in the hopes of seeing a dead man.
@@ledumpsterfire6474 but you are forgetting any actual nuclear weapons of today contain tritium a material that decays in 12 years those nukes have gone bad at this point lack of maintenance is also a factor not maintaining nuclear weapons kills the weapon but okay let's say it doesn't use tritium guess what without the electronics you just have a radioactive piece of junk and we'll radiation kills technology
@@Endlessnutella1 I didn't, what's the point? Even if Tom decided to use nukes he could but, on what? You really think that a single sub with limited range and quite little amount of nukes could really damage whatever is left of the world after thousand of detonations more than said detonations ever did? The worst he could do would be threaten like some coastal villages with less than what? Maybe 10.000 souls? Like walking around the desert with a handful of hand grenades and using them over an ant nest.
Both endings arent bad from Sam's POV.. either he got home, finally got his dream, after being given hope by Artyom's own actions. OR. he doesn't go home, being proud that he stopped the world from getting nuked again, from repeating the same mistakes. his dream very much still strong and alive.
@@player764I considered the fact that Artyom is already starting a new path to civilization depending on whatever ending you think is the real one, and that I imagine Tom quickly taking it over with the threat of nukes (He did say he was gonna use it more as threats.), besides there is probably more chances of actual civilizations, that have somewhat of a functioning community. In my opinion it is probably best for Sam to blow it up, he even since state he isn’t gonna give up finding a way back home. If there is a working submarine, that means there is probably another way to America with less of the price of allowing nukes to be functional. That’s just my opinion to be honest.
@@PaulieWalnuts13 What alternate dimension did you spawn from? Thats the same bridge as the one in Vladivostok. He's stuck there for several months and saying "I will come home"
Tha'ts true. Looks like devs wanted to have some fun - i mean, they can easily name them ending 1/ ending 2. But as some people reported they hadn't have a choice in the end by their playstyle(or just don't paying any attention to Captain asks) and they got automatically ending with going to USA. You see, if it's gonna be "good" ending by default, why would they give players a chance to do something "wrong" and get "bad" ending, doing actually kind things to Captain and helping him? Right, none of them is bad/good or canonical. 4A got some sense of humour.
@xHarux3 that "not bad person" wanted to rob cities, which are close to the sea and his ship got pirate flag. Also that person got nuclear missile to fear everyone who gonna resist and who knows how many people will die if missile would be used once . So is it "good" thing to leave such ship with person on it dooming some usa people to be robbed or even one Day murdered? (May be not by Tom) Are you sure?
@@windywalker4598 Maybe it is not wrong coming from metro 2033 Redux I can say it coud be that him goign back to america is like the dark ones being destroyed in 2033 it is what would be a cnon ending while the alternative ending would be an alternative relaity.
@@windywalker4598 What does happen if yoi dont get the captain's trust? He doesnt give you the detonator so do they search him and find it right before the mutiny?
I chose Sam to go home, 20 years away from his family, it wasnt even his fault for being there he was just stationed to guard the U.S. Embassy, helping Miller and Artyom on their journey, saving us a few times. Sam deserved to go home.
true but very difrent type of games wile i wish the game and dlc were longer this is only a smal studio and qwit frankly day make beter games as big companys like EA and so and wile ther dlc may not be witcher3 like long they are good DLC its not like 1 new wepon but a real story
I'd like to think he was arrested on the sub but not killed, but then without being able to get his ship back to his control knowing that someone might use it for unjust cause he commited suicide. But I guess it's up to player after all
@@yurishakalov6213 theres no arrests in post apocalyptic worlds lol. The captain locked everyone behind a door so you could blow them all up. Kinda fucked up I'm sure they killed him
Here is a thing. Going back to US is a proper ending as Sam left his comrades for a one way journey after been alongside them for decades. He himself have said that the Colonel was the only person keeping him around because he also owed him his life. Once that was done he immediately leaves without a second thought. That means he is still American in his heart and never really assimilated still feeling alien among them. Besides that Tom is still a decent enough guy considering the world they live in and kept his word when he absolutely didn't have to and it was Klim who was committing atrocities all that time. Blowing up the Sub is what Artyom would do, but Sam is different. With Tom around he can influence him enough probably not to do anything stupid in the future, while also been a sensible person himself.
@@TNM001 There is only one good ending for Sam and that is returning home. Anything else is not a good ending. Tom trusts Sam and they are both Americans, they both finally achieve their goals. Everyone else views Sam as a foreigner and there is nobody and nothing that holds him in Russia especially when he travelled on the other side of the continent which clearly means he won't ever meet his old team (with whom he only had professional relations).
@@TheEthereathat last part you said can’t be so far form the truth, did you play metro and did you not hear what he said at the start of the dlc? It wasn’t a professional for him to stay, he stayed because he considered them family and since everyone settled down, everyone decided to do their own thing.
@@gerardocortez135 I recall that he specifically said that Colonel was the person who led him through the hardships of post apocalypse after saving his life, where he would otherwise be killed as an enemy and that was his way to repay Colonel by serving under him until Colonel died. As that journey was over at that point and he could never settle in a land that will forever treat him as an outsider which he mentions a lot of times in main campaign as well, he decides to try his luck and make that journey. Yes they went through a lot with that team but only one person was really important for him.
I would pay full 60 Dollar price for these DLCS if they kept coming out with more. These guys are the best game makers in my opinion tied with CD project Red. I really hope they continue
Morro imagine being stuck in Russia's far east coast and your only way to get home is to side with this guy. I mean even if you stuck here (in Russia) without nuclear war, mutants etc. you'll still do this, believe me
@@LaserTractor Lol maybe, but just thinking about Sam's history with the Spartans and how easily he could have just been killed for being a US foreigner who was also a Marine, and the hate people might harbor towards him for this. Instead they just treated him like family.
Morro russian people are hard to deal with. That's what i can say from my 23 years experience. You'll never know will a stranger be kind to you if you're in a bad situation, but I think 40-50% will be nice. Other 50% are so blinded with our tv propaganda that when they hear "americans" they will most likely react like bandits in Metro in "we can use him, then rob him, haha stuped omerecan" way (Bandits and their interactions in metro are somewhat cringe but you get the point). I guess Sam was just lucky to find good company.
@@andygygi5135 Vladivostok either way stays without nuclear reactor, and people on submarine most likely will not die after explosion because they are at least bodyguards of Cat. And his influence on America will stay like it was in Vladivostok, because it's stupid to use warheads against primitivized civilization, as it was stupid to stand against Vladivostok's main source of power.
I chose the bad ending for several reasons: - I didn't trust Tom would pick me up - The captain's death would be in vain - Sam could always go back to Artyom's group - Going back to america might be a mistake Sam would regret - Tom might use the nuclear weapons Watching this now, I kinda regret my choice.
@@chocolat-kun8689 No, the game files reveal that one is called the ''good'' ending... because even though it's not ideal for Sam, it's generally worse to leave nukes in the hands of someone who literally said "just drop anchor in view of any settlement, open our missile ports, and they will readily give us everything..." That's something a bandit/ tyrant would do. He even uses a pirate flag and blows up a ship on the way.
-Sam still can back to America later,the submarine is not the only choice,Sam didn't even expect to see a submarine in this world, so there's always another way to go back home
I was gonna blow up the sub, but i heard a background conversation about how Tom didnt want to use the warheads, which is why Klim betreayed Tom.... so its really a good ending, the implications that Tom MIGHT use the warheads isnt confirmed, its just speculation. And Tom promised Captain that he wouldn’t. Thats why i didnt blow it up.
It is an accumulation of 'moral points' from decisions made throughout the game that decides which ending you get. You don't get to choose which when the moment arrives. .
@@Cl0ud5trife Could you give me some idea when the player makes that decision? I went through Sam's Story for the first time yesterday. At no point was I given such a choice. When it came time to take out the remote detonator I wanted to blow the sub. Sadly the game would not let me, and Sam went to America. .
@@profsakharov1191 I finished it two days ago. After the fight with Klim and they ram the sub through the gate and head into the Harbor. Sam is staggering to the edge of the pier like the cutscene but it gave me the option of blowing it or letting it go.
@@Cl0ud5trife Can only think there are things you have to do to be given the choice and I missed one or more of them. The whole thing at the end was cutscene for me, no control at all. That is the one disappointing thing about Exodus and the DLC - far too much time spent with the game taking over and playing your part for you. Still too many invisible walls keeping you out of interesting-looking bits of the maps, too. Though I did get to visit a part of Novosibirsk, in Exodus, that is usually out of bounds - a Blind One caught me just right and knocked me right off the building. I barely survived the fall, landed in a snowy street and, while looking for a way back in, found the Colonel in the vehicle waiting just around the corner to come and scrape me up later. There was no way back in other than reloading. The next installment should be pretty good. If Artyom is going to bring the Moscow Metro masses to Lake Baikal he is going to need more help than his seven squad members, so we're probably going to see the return of the Dark Ones. And Artyom still has a score to settle with Hanza - he didn't kill nearly enough of them, during the escape from Moscow, to pay them back for trying to kill him and Anna and keeping their dirty secrets. .
Honestly thought the ending with him in the snow was way sadder I thought for a sec he was just on a couple planks of wood trying to make his away through the water but then realized it was a dock
The entire debate about the "nukes" aboard the sub is a silly one. Without the ability to replace the tritium in the warheads, those weapons would be useless after about a decade. Exodus takes place about 5 years after Last Light. Assuming those weapons had fresh tritium in the warheads when Last Light took place, the missile's would only be functional for another 4-5 years. The sub itself would be a potent weapon, true, but not an insurmountable one. Hell, Tom's presence with a massive force multiplier like the sub, and an organized assault force led by a trained soldier would actually be of great benefit for the species in the long run, even if a bit tough on the locals in the short term. If Tom could set up a pocket Empire, get things organized and ordered in a local area with access to the sea, he'd be well on his way to restarting a viable civilization. Rome began as a village of fishermen, pirates, and bandit/farmers. The Macedonian Empire began as a collection of warring tribes of barely literate savages that occasionally came down out of the hills and raided/annoyed the Greeks. Most of the ancient nations our civilizations are built upon almost always started out as a bunch of frothing savages that decided art, hygiene, and architecture make things much better then not having those things. Tom might not have been Alexander or Charlemagne, but he definitely had a better plan than anyone else we met. And better yet, his plan seemed to be working, for the most part. Always a plus, that.
Yeah definitely. But it is highly possible that nobody had the knowledge about the nukes. Both Tom and Klim just cared about having it, while Klim wanted to use it as a show of force, Tom was only interested in using it as a force multiplier, as you said. The Captain however, is another story. He should've known about the nukes', considering he was the captain of the sub. Probably an oversight from the devs. Still, it makes total sense that the Captain distrusts Tom, considering his business like attitude, and the fact that they had hostilities before.
I' have picked go home 20 years in the tunnels and 1.5 years on the road 1 chance to get a first class ticked home after all the shit he went through to see his dad yeah I would side with Tom atleast he has a vision for the future
Hydrogen bombs use lithium-6 deuteride. Last time I checked, both deuterium and lithium-6 are stable isotopes, meaning they will never go bad. Now, the plutonium-239 in the fission primary (thermonuclear weapons use a fission bomb to produce the temperatures and pressures needed for fusion) is unstable, but has a half life in excess of 24,000 years. The aluminum the missile is made out of would corrode away before the Pu decayed off. So, assuming they could somehow bypass any safeing mechanisms, those were still viable weapons.
@@ryanpayne9119 Tritium boosting (more correctly deuterium-tritium boosting) is a technique for increasing aspects of the efficiency of fission devices. It is not a full fusion reaction, although a tritium-boosted fission Primary will be more effective in initiating a fusion Secondary. While boosting itself produces only a slight additional amount of blast, it has a major effect on the neutrons produced by the Primary, and indeed may increase explosive yield of other parts of the Primary. When it became apparent that the more neutrons became available from the first fission, however, the idea arose that injecting a small amount of tritium into the fission Primary would not appreciably increase the explosive yield but would greatly increase both the number and speed of neutrons. Tritium boosting has a number of significant technical and military advantages, which explain why it is used in essentially all modern militarized nuclear weapons, including in the UK, US, Russia, Israel, India, Pakistan, and North Korea.These advantages comprise: high efficiency with relatively low compression and thin reflector/tamper; low weight and small size; intrinsic safety capability (zero or negligible yield when the tritium is not in the weapon Tritium is a radioactive isotope with a half-life of 12.355 years. Its main decay product is Helium-3, which is among the nuclides with the largest cross-section for neutron capture. Therefore, periodically the weapon must have its helium waste flushed out and its tritium supply recharged. This is because any helium-3 in the weapon's tritium supply would act as a poison during the weapon's detonation, absorbing neutrons meant to collide with the nuclei of its fission fuel. Thus, any modern thermonuclear weapon, if left un-maintained, will become unusable after about 12 years. Attempting to detonate the fission Primary on the weapon would result in a sub-nuclear explosion, and would fail to initiate the necessary first stages of fusion. You'd get a bigger explosion from a thermobaric weapon or even a large conventional bomb.
Tbh, why would Tom use the nuclear bomb in the first place? There really isn’t any reason to, considering the submarine and soldiers he has is more than enough to show authority to other coastal settlements. Sam even says this during the US ending that there would be no way another nuclear war would kill the world considering the world is already dead. Also, blowing up the submarine could also be destroying one of the last methods of intercontinental travel, which would be a big part in restoring civilisation.
I found this DLC quite a difficult grind to get through so I chose to go home, no way I went through all that to have Sam freezing his ass off on that riverbank no closer to his goal.
Unless you hit right on most of the 'moral points' that are tied to decisions you make throughout the game you don't get to choose the ending. It is chosen by the game based on your 'moral points' score. .
@@hugoperez2993 Tell that to my game which did choose the ending. What possible mileage could I get from 'spreading misinformation'? If it hadn't happened to me I would have had absolutely no reason for saying it had. So stop making wild accusations when you have no original knowledge of the matter yourself. .
@@hugoperez2993 It's like the earlier metro games. If you have a really low moral score the game doesn't really let you choose. It's not misinformation at all. You need a decent enough moral score to choose at the end. If you play as a bad guy who kills everything that's when you get those types of ending
@@is0latedplays453 the games before are based solely off your actions over the course of the game, with no choice at all coming at the end. This DLC does not take into account what you do. You automatically get the choice.
In my opinion the good ending is where sam blows it up. He has been taught important values both in the army and with the rangers. he's seen firsthand what destruction nuclear war causes and I think he would want to prevent that. Also who knows what tom would do? He may seem nice but he could lose his cool one day and use the nukes. Plus its safer to destroy it because the sub could be hijacked. We say how klim, a right hand to tom betrayed tom. Someone could easily do that again
@@fnhatic6694 because the dark ones were alien like creatures that made everyone (except Artyon) who went even near one of them insane, and we're making the metro population kill each other ? They were clearly a treat and at the time no one knew the dark ones were sentient, also they didn't nuke the dark ones, if they did Artyon would've been killed, he was so close to the explosion
Two years late but, Klim mentions that the sub would be better in his hands because he already has a few targets and would actually use it, and he said that Tom is only going to use it to scare hostiles away, he said that when he backstabbed him, so it's clear that not blowing it up is the good ending
@@ShoaibKurdi But even so, they are nuclear weapons, their crew is not trustworthy and these weapons are so destructive that in the hands of pirates they would be a danger.
It's crazy how no one is putting two and two together here. Only the 1st ending has anyone left nearby to give him medical attention... Meaning Sam must be in heaven or at least an "afterlife" in the "second ending" with a rainbow, bright sun and... Closure... 😭 I just beat it and already miss Sam
The 1st is good ending, Sam didn't blow up the sub (apparently Akula typhoon class submarine) and arrived in San Francisco, Tom helped him. Now we hopefully will have Metro American edition besides the episode when Artyom going back to Moscow.
@@TheREALHugo4 yeah, French had immigration & protest in problem, that troubles itself would bring apocalypse to the society, long before the nuclear war.
@@TheREALHugo4 yes, new metro universe, Artyom would go as far as Paris & Berlin! Or maybe the 3rd nuke war which will finally put an end to human civilization (I know that's too much)!
I would like to see a seaquel to this story. Or a prequel about how Sam got to Vladivostok in a first place. I speak russian, but I really hope that our american friend will get home one way or another.
I rather a Sequel, I want to see Sam’s adventure in the US. He is finally home but now he has to find his family. No doubt there will be plenty of obstacles along the way.
A small dlc, I don't need more than two hours of Sam leaving Tom and finally getting at his home in San Diego and see his father again. Maybe use the moral system of the game to decide if you find his father alive or death.
Let me explain to you why I personally think that the ending in which Sam goes to America is the good ending, well first of all, that's not the only nuclear submarine in the world, and Tom certainly isn't one to do something soo stupid especially since he is soo much of a peacefull character from all points of view, by the way, the captain is old and ex-military and of course the thought of an american obtaining a nuclear sub would make him anxious, there' absolutely nothing one single submarine can do to further damage the entire world anyways, so if you ask me the good ending is where Sam gets to America, also why the hell would he risk his life going all alone to Vladivostok and then he doesn't pursue his wish any further and stay longer to do absolutely nothing with his life. I did initially post this as a reply to a comment but I feel like it deserves it's own so more ppl can see.
"It's not the only nuclear submarine in the world" and " do something so stupid especially he is soo much of a peaceful character". Those two sentences together can explain how a nuclear war start. Its like going around carrying a gun. Why wouldn't you want to use it at least once if you think it's worthy ? Also, what is stopping him from using it, aside from his moral compass, which could spin around wildly in a post apocaliptic world where no one really have the autority to stop him ? Also if you read the first metro 2033 it clearly stated that most of the surviving sub went crazy and started raiding/launching nukes on former enemy objectives/ failed to keep an jncredibli complex mechanism like a nuclear sub afloat in a nice environment such as the post nuclear apocalypse.
SCP 096 I think just like Sam says, you are thinking about this too negatively, first off Tom is a diplomat, he uses fear and control so that he doesn't use violence, exact same fucking thing that any country uses so that you don't break the law, and also I don't think that Tom's plans to rebuild civilization include any further nuking, just my take on it
@SCP 096 i agree with the first part, but not with the second. He sell gun ( formerly ) so he trives on conflict. Also going around for all the pacific seems an awful and a time consuming idea.
@@blackjack8296 "Its like going around carrying a gun. Why wouldn't you want to use it at least once if you think it's worthy ?" That says more about you than about people who carry guns. It's a tool. An inanimate object. A tool that responsible people use to protect themselves and others. Also there are other ways to use a gun than shooting a person. Competition or training.
From the way Tom cared about Sam at the beginning, I knew that I couldn’t betray him. After closing the door I listened to Toms conversation with his bodyguard, I assumed it would be something about getting rid of me, but he just told him to make sure Sam is as safe as possible
@@wolfheardt4169 Good point, another question is: why didn't the Captain just take his launch key (before his ship was taken over by Tom) and stash it somewhere? No need to destroy the sub since nuclear launches need two keys turned essentially simultaneously to authorize the launch.
Rajani Singh well, he is not a pirate, he has a clear conscience and moral ground, he served under Melnik, protected Moscow metro for 20 years and was a good guy, now tell me, bro, why in the hell person like that would let a dangerous people obtain and use nukes to be pirates and bandits?
stryker214 true as well, could be that he did hide them, but took them back when he tried stealthily leave with his crew before Tom took over. Or maybe Metro exodus just has ALOT of plot joke throughout its campaigns and DLCs XD
its the music that makes both endings so powerful good ^ the one represents a new journey into a new world with a powerful melody, the other one represents a not given up dream, taking a new road to archive that with a melody that is that starts sad but ends beatiful deep, the melody of struggle and hope ~
Destroying the sub is "the morally good" ending for multiple reasons: - First the monologue of SAM : "I've been doing what I've done for the last 20 years.. Saving the world..." - Secondly, let's say you don't destroy the sub, you get to a wasteland of America. He hopes to see his father, but he must realise, the chances of that are almost impossible, for obvious reasons. - Thirdly, the way the "destroy sub" ending.. well ends... with "one day", is exactly how the ending in Metro 2033 ended (with Artyom hearing the signal on top of the tower). I think 4A games wants to do more here (or they should). - Forth, the damn pirate flag. I am not sure Tom can overwhelm the urge to "push the button" if someone doesn't "comply". - Lastly, I do understand why everyone loves the "just want to get home" feeling (I am also inclined to do it), but doing something like that for the wrong reasons with potentially huge consequences.... Is not in my book! (Ted was right! He didn't used the sub in the "Last War" and it shouldn't be used now to promulgate the agenda of a thief... err "businessman" that Tom is). I do have to agree though: This is epic and awesome writing for you! Having to pick sides and debate the moral choices and why each ending is justified! (Both are from different points of view! But I can clearly say there is no good/bad ending here as both are "bittersweet"). Cheers!
Well what I want to know is why people assume exodus takes place 5-6 years after last light. I mean the game is based of 2035 and last light took place in 2034 while the 2034 book artyom(not 2033 or 2035 artyom) was doing his shit. And since it is based on 2035 that means that it must take place somewhere in 2034-2035 so let's just say 2033's story since in Artyom's time only lasted a week and a few days and was in winter then it must have been early in the year 2033 for it to still be winter. Then a year later last light takes place and it's still winter so possibly the beginning of the year 2034 and the exodus starts out in winter. Late 2034 maybe and ends in winter(at least for when you control artyom) so possibly late 2035 and the epilogue is 2036's spring. Thus making Artyoms full journey take 3 years to pass. Making him 22-24 remember he was an infant when the books fell so he cant be older then that. He was 20 in 2033, 21 in LL and possibly 22 in exodus. But if he was 1-2 which is considered a toddler he'd be 21 or 22 in 2033 but its literally said that he had just turned 20 so hes around 22 years old. And now let's take into account Anna. They both fell in love with eachother during Last light and got married in between LL and Exodus which they wouldn't need to date or be engaged first because in Metro you could die at any time cause of the dangers. So there is my theory
Think Tom is really going to use nukes that probably don't work anymore anyway to destroy some boats or some tiny towns besides Tom is American I don't think he wants to nuke his own people.
@@WouldYouKindlyGWAR Could be! This is why I think the ending(s) are all awesome and makes us ponder on what to actually do ^_^ Now this is good writing in a Story and Video Game ^_^ PS: Thank you for the reply, much appreciated!
Given the fact the game developers spent more time on the coming to America ending, I consider it the canon one. Also, remember the tape you play for the Cinephile achievement? It talks of an established trade relationship between San Diego and the Russian port you start in. Only makes sense to me that they restart that trade relationship between Russia and America anew, using the sub to carry people and resources back and forth. It'd be a genuine rekindling of civilization, but through trade and cooperation. The threat of using the sub as a bargaining chip loses its need.
This is DLC about one thing. Choice. You make it and you live with its consequences till the rest of your days. Life is sad thing too in most of ways, and often there are no "good" or "bad" things, right or wrong. Just some choices which everyone has to do. Pretty sad DLC, it was hard to watch Sam destroying his dream, but saving whole settlements of people from pirates and other scum who can use one day nuclear missile. In my opinion, as you already got it, there is no canonical ending from devs point of view. But. This is Sam story. Not yours. Not mine. If I were in such situation, I would do everything for making my dream true. Even nowdays, I would give almost everything(my aim is pretty similar to Sam's one). But I am not Sam. After hours of thinking I feel like Sam would blow up that submarine(like 50.1% probabilty vs 49.9% of going home with nuclear pirates) . Because that he is - spartan, protector of people, just a good guy, who used to do good things. And even after doing this he doesn't surrender. And I believe he would try another way to get home till the very end . But it's seemed that he lost his last chance. It's conflict between the man he is and the man he wanna be. This DLC actually requires you to make the choice like Sam would do. But we will never know what Sam would do, and that's beatiful.
choosing to side with tom(maybe it isnt a choice sam would make) is a better option in my opinion. even though sam was said to be a brutal leader in terms of his treatment with those who wouldnt cooperate with him, he was still praised or atleast forgiven by the people of vladivostock as you hear them in some conversations talking about how even though hes harsh, he still brought order and greater levels of cooperation to the city. yeah maybe tom might use a nuke or two(which is unlikely considering how klim turned against him because he didnt want to really use any nukes), siding with tom still gives humanity, or atleast some parts of the earth a chance to rebuild society through greater levels of order and cooperation brought by tom. after hearing about how unbelievably harsh and chaotic vladivostock was(like the rest of USSR and probably USA plus europe too) before tom arrived while hearing some of the inhabitants talking, id say tom did a pretty good job at bringing order and cooperation to the city which looked impossible considering the odds. just my take on the matter
@@pessimismwithsaltforflavor9141 I really feel like that's what they are setting this dlc for a spin off game set in america, but Sam probably wouldn't be the main character, he'd play a part in it I'm sure, but even so we won't see that game for a few more years lol
I like that this DLC had an actual moral dilemma at the end. The language Sam uses to describe his thoughts in the 'no trigger' ending, is pretty loaded, but neither choice seemed morally certain. You either murder a sub full of people cause they might be bad, or you give them a chance, after removing the worst of the bunch (probably). One choice benefits you directly, one indirectly (maybe). Look, I'm actually thinking about it for more than a few seconds. Pretty cool.
You guys have almost forgotten about the captain? I noticed that he was in a clean and nice uniform that he used to wear when he was a real captain, instead of dirty rags but I didn't know what that meant. After blowing the sub, I found that he was ready to face the last of his life and such a respectable man.
i just finnished, damn i feel silly for looting all those dead guys at the end lol. Anyhoo, i opt'd to destroy the sub . came here to watch what happens if you go flag.
Sam going to America is the good ending. That sub has a nuclear reactor. It can power cities, machines, light, anything from the old world. With Sam keeping Tom in check, they could build a new society that can actually thrive instead of just survive. Something like that could bring humanity back from the brink
There's no good or bad ending, there's an ethical choice and a price to pay for it. I blew it up, the thought of building a new civilization wile pointing nuclear missiles at people disgusted me.
@@podroznikzpustkowi4805 the world ended in nuclear war, and you try to rebuild it with nuclear weapons power lead by a man that wasn't chosen by the people. Your "common sense" is wonderful!
@@JaySilva88 that's how it works in the apocalypse scenario, strong rule when weak are being ruled, there is nothing wrong in what Tom is trying to achieve
What if they do rebuild civilization though? Even if they did by threat of force, is that so much worse than destroying a submarine full of people that have yet to do anything wrong?
I don't know why but every time I get any of these endings I always get shivers at my spine. Like have you ever gotten that feeling where you need to rest but it feels like you have to do.
I just played out this dlc and I loved it might even be better than the campaign and that was great. For the ending I chose to let Tom have the sub I felt it was the only right decision and it felt good after too. Tom was a nice guy he even sent his soldiers to get Sam, he could easily have left him there. And Sam finally got to get home in that ending sadly we did not see if his father was there. The other ending is just sad and bad. Hope to get a metro game where we see more of Sam in america.
Shit he should of been the voice of Marcus feinx son in the new gears of war games it really sucks those sequels failed and that Steve Blum was never casted.
Disagree, it goes against the character of Sam and everything he fought for with the Spartan Order. They can always find another way. Vladivostok is not that far from Alaska, and from there he can make his way to CA along the coast or through Canada or something.
@@phillynation2906I don't buy it because they could always find another way to America. I'm certain at some point some sort of spinoff would come out, but the game is still very successful where it is right now in Russia.
I chose the ending to not blow up the ship, and I feel like that was the morally better choice to make. Let me explain: The Captains entire problem with the sub crew wasnt with Tom. He even admitted to liking him. It was Klim. Klim was the issue and the Captain wanted him gone, while Tom simply just disagreed. However, at the very end, Klim BECAME Toms problem as well, and the Captain and Tom didnt have a reason to "hate" eachother. Klim became the common enemy and after Sam killed him, there was honestly no real reason to go after Tom either. Tom treated Sam and the Captain with nothing but respect and showed immense trust towards them as well. It was always just Klim that was the problem, but he got dealt with, so the problem was done. Tom, and his men, wasnt a threat anymore and thus there was no need to blow the ship up. Could Tom have used the nukes on board? Maybe, but thats the risk Sam had to take with a fresh ticket home to the US. It was either take the risk, or just not go home. There was nothing else he couldve done. Why kill Tom and the whole crew, when it was just Klim who was the problem? Thats all Im saying here.
I agree. It's different enough to feel fresh but they can keep the gameplay and story components we love. No need to stay in Russia for a fourth game. They could also tie in Tom and create more morally gray situations with the nuke. Personally, I blew up the sub but I can see that NOT being the canon ending.
I hope they make the next Metro and continuing Sam’s story. I love his character and Destroy or go home could be based for the next game. But I would rather have destroy over go home as a based story cause he’s still in Russia.
What I love that no one seems to spot is that Sam gets home no matter what, in the ending where he blows up the sub he still gets to San Fransisco, the bridge is right there it is just snowed over.
I think there is no good or Bad endings Its all UP to your decisions and what ending you want to take If you want sam to go back to America , his home then thats your good ending If you want stop the nuclear War and save the world , then destroying the sub its your good You have the choice here , there's no good or Bad ending , you choose what is your good ending and what is Bad ending and honestly i choose the destroying the sub ending cause sam did what he wanted to do , save the world at all costs
The nuclear war doesn’t happen. Tom would never use the missiles. He would use every other option he had before doing that, even if he did. Who would fire back? There would be no one to fire back
There was no risk of nuclear war, first the world has already seen thousands of bombs, one sub wont change that you guys have wierd perception of atomic weapons .
Anyone else notice Sam's missing 4 fingers in the San Francisco ending? Tom also said to take the old man alive. I bet the old man was tortured to death on his own sub, but they couldn't show that for some reason. Also, Tom cut his fingers off.
Fun details: In Going Back to America End, pirate flag was raised on the submarine; two short brief sounds of gunshot take place at the end of Sam's speech.
The missile on the submarine won't be operational because they haven't bean properly maintained and repaired for year since the war. Especially the Mayflower which based on the Typhoon class Submarine.The main weapon of the Typhoon is the R-39 Rif SLBM,which has been retired for it short service life.
I picked the blow up submarine option, I felt like I had too blow it up because who knows if Tom really would've started another nuclear war. He didn't seem bad but he could've easily betrayed Sam if we let him live. I felt like blowing up the sub was the right thing to do. It was sad seeing Sam still stuck in Russia, but maybe he'll find another way home. The first ending seemed nice but like I said what if Tom just kills Sam for whatever the fuck reason as soon as he makes it home. Idk, I'm satisfied with the choice I made.
I like the ending where he blows up the sub. It's the "good" ending in my eyes although it's the bad. Because you actually look out for the greater good.
The only issue that is the MAD theory doesn’t apply here. During the Cold War, Russia didn’t nuke the US because if they did, the US would have nuked Russia, and vice versa. In this case, what is preventing Tom from using the warheads? He has all the power.
Im praying these series continue. I mean, i love this game play, this art concept. I've played the entire serie for about 4 times and i never get over it
For me the "USA-Ending" is the good one. why should i kill tom and everyon on board? Tom isn´t really so bad an klim is dead. the Port-village is destroyed. so there is nothing left but the submarine. and in the ending most of the people are alive, i am home and there is one more pirate in the postapocalypse. so what? so what would he even nuke? ruins of citys? come on..he even mentioned he is not willing to shoot.
pat tap, you have a point but still as the captain (i can't remember his name) said "Tom" is a businessman. He might not be able to nuke many things but let's just say he finds other survivors. He could either help them or threaten them with nukes since not that many of his men are alive. I might've taken it a bit too far but you never know how it could end.
Tom's entire idea is to use the sub to threaten communities into complying with what he wants. He wants to rebuild civilization, sure, but according to HIS way. This is inherently flawed. While it might work in the short term, you only have to look at the fall of the Roman Empire to see that the exact same thing would happen eventually. Tom isn't going to be around forever. Once he's out of the picture, how long is it before the communities just leave, or his leaders start fighting for control of the sub? He might not have been willing to push the launch button, but other people surely are.
@@everythingsalright1121 All civilizations are created towards someone's vision, especially in times of chaos like this game is set it. Also the Roman empire accomplished a lot before it fell (and ALL civilizations fall eventually), I'd say the world was better off for it overall, not worse.
For real. When The Captain started telling me about his plan and how he trusted me with the detonator, my heart rate spiked higher than when I was dealing with the spiders. Knowing the Metro games I just KNEW that using the detonator or not was gonna be an agonizing moral decision. And it definitely delivered.
I didn't get it, didn't in Exodus they said that while Russia is still lays in ruins the western countries are managed to restore themself, did I get it wrong or it was a lie?
I don't know what these other guys are talking about, but yeah, I think you misunderstood something. Hansa or whoever put up those jammers around Moscow claimed that NATO was still around and had invaded Russia, but that turned out to be a lie. In all likelyhood, the US, and the rest of the world for that matter, are probably as destroyed as Russia. The entire world suffered from nuclear winter, and the US in particular was hit by Russia's nuclear arsenal. It also seems to me that 4A's intention with Metro's world is that no country or institution survived the war, that everything was destroyed and "reset". I'll be disappointed if I turn to be wrong, it'd be lame if it turned out that a country survived or something. The whole point of Metro to me was that the world ended, and humanity only barely survived. Anyway, sorry, I'm rambling.
@@pruttisman Well it could have been realistic to have some countries surviving and i would even say realy interisting. Take for example Switzerland, small country that is in no military pact and has no nukes. Both sides have money in their banks and would not want to possibly have their fortune destroyed, for both sides would propably use the nukes as a means to somehow win the war, or to basicaly damn their opponents if one was clossing to it´s end. And so why would you nuke it? The more interisting part is of course that any state with infrastructure and some form of military will be basicaly catapulted into becoming the sole superpower in it´s area, and with the thining of resources and basicaly no oposition, switzerland can either unite the survivors or conquer them. And it will basicaly have to because it will want to sustain itself. And that does not just include countries, basicaly anything with organised military force that somehow survives and does not shatter into bands of unorganised brigands or canibalise itself, will become a powerhouse in it´s teritory, be it some naval group, division, military base, and of course not every nuke will detonate. Which could lead to some realy bisare parodies of modern, and historical gowerments. Because no matter what, if humanity survives, it will try to get back where it was.
How in the world the good ending is the bad one, and the bad one isn't the good one? So in good ending you kill Tom, who trusted you, and an entire crew, just because the captain is paranoid because of another nuclear war in an already damned world, which tbh, it wouldn't make any sense to nuke an already nuked world, but in bad ending you will have all alive, and you will even go home. Sure, Tom is a weapon's dealer and such, he can use threat to people he doesn't like, but also, Sam is around to stop him, and the crew still have people loyal to the Captain, so it would be some civil war right there if Tom is crossing a line.
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Tom sent soldiers to pickup Sam. He could have easily abandoned him but no. Tom really trusted Sam.
best american bros :D
Kanka aslında Tom iyiydi, çevresi kötüydü.
@@serdarcan7734 ehhh bence kendisine cok guvenmedim, sanki her an beni oldurecekmis gibi haraketleri vardi
thats because tom was betrayed one his bodyguard
the only trusted person would be sam
both ed and tom trusted sam(you) it's just a matter of who you're gonna betray
Oh my God they actually let the protagonist talk in game instead of the loading screen. This is legendary!
It also happens in the other DLC.
Did u even play Metro?
Metro last light DLC did this thought as far as I remember.
@@bushmonsterwilhelm6716 I don't understand why they still keep doing this shit where Artyom doesn't talk then. Makes absolutely no sense.
@@Bloodhurl67 Maybe combat and stealth or even his trauma from losing his mother keep him occupied ? Sometime less talk make you immersive though..
Getting to America: Welcome to Fallout
And then he met the sole survivor and the lone wanderer and was Killin superhumans till they died on a overdose of jet
You guys are about 200 years too early
@@badben28-214 and about 40 too early for fallout nuclear war.
LMAO😂😂😂
I was like very "LOL"
He coulda.... Kept the detonator.... And blown it up after he got home.... But... I guess this is cool too
The "Smart" ending.
he was stabbed ,unconscious they would've searched him when he was being healed. So that's not a thing... also in real life they would've abandoned him, why would you trust a guy that even has the choice to blow you up, specially after his pawl told him "it's your choice now"
@@lordmorgoth7 Tom made a deal, and could easily say the captain was going senile. That guy just saved Tom's life and took out Klim's Mutiny and had a deal to get you your fuel rods that do actually work. Tom simply could have wanted to keep his word. But yeah if they found the Det on Sam they'd probably have left him behind and destroyed the Detonator.
The charge probably would have blown up when the fuelrod it sat on got hot anyways.
MAN!!! I think like you!!! What do you think happend with Captain? The Tom guys kill him? He accept to bring Sam at home or what... Captain close Tom, many people in the Sub Sympathize to Captain and somebody dont like Tom. Fo now... The last f*cking question you want to get an answer to, THAT HAPPEND WITS GODDAMN CAPTAIN!
Imagine being a survivor in the Bay Area and one day after 20 years of seeing the bay completely empty you suddenly see a nuclear submarine surface.
xdd
And it's Russian, the guys you're technically still at war with.
@@ivansmirnoff6987 lmfao a sub with a bunch of russians setting up an colony in the heart of san diego.
that would be an awesome game honestly.
@@ivansmirnoff6987 war is only still going on, if people keep fighting it. The war ended when everyone nuked themselves. If you want to keep it going, shoot first. and make sure you dont stop shooting. but im not going to do that, i would nuke the world, but once its broken? now it can be fixed.
@Average Leader he’s saying that the old world, it’s leaders, and it’s sometimes bureaucratic way of doing things like ending wars is dead and long gone. Russia and America as they knew no longer exists, so what’s the point in continuing the war? There is none, there is no longer a reason to fight each other. with the going to America ending, the people on the sub are Russians and two Americans and guess what, they’re allies with each other; they no longer feel the need to fight with each other because they witnessed first hand what it did to the earth. The only way the war will continue is if someone shoots first and why in the world would someone shoot first?
Neither of the endings are good or bad, their a moral dilemma between us the player and Sam.
your right in my opinion cause Tom doesn't feel like a complete dick and i don't think he would actually use the nukes on settlements but as a scare tactic to get people on his side plus even the settlers in his old settlement didn't make him out to be a cruel ruler but more of an ains ooal gown from the overlord manga type of villain
@@roderickvincent3840 your right in every way and personally the good option is more like the ugly option really since its both good and bad so its right in the middle but hey its better than being stuck in Russia and that ending was sad as well. Sad that the captain dies either way I mean cmon hes so heart like but hey I guess in every metro game at least one good character sadly dies in the end.
@@titanking8755 and also sam could actually kill tom in the next game if he's goes too far and that would be an awesome game sam and his father working together to bring down Tom
@@roderickvincent3840 lol that would and they problaly will work on something like that and I don't doubt for a second that the endings and story line will be good just like the DLC here if u excuse me now though lol I have to do a ton of work in 7 hours
@@titanking8755 be safe out there
its good to see San Francisco doesn't look too different from today
LOOOLL
at least the thieves trying to run out of the stores with bags full of stolen merchandise in the metro world eat lead
not at all
Look, theres less drug users in the metro LOL
Maybe the throw rock zombies are a reference to what you will going to see in California xD
HAHAHAHAH good one
I like the one where he comes to America better, it finally shows what US looks like in metro universe
shame its just you know what
i like it too
Tom is like an ains ooal gown type of villain in my opinion
Go play fallout then.
Kira Well it’s kinda different, fallout is more futuristic and metro is modern
This dlc was amazing!
Fully voiced Sam protag done by the Legendary Steve Blum
The new pistol and assault rifle with incendiary rounds were awesome.
And getting an all clear to go lethal stealth without any morality repercussions.
Yeah I just finished the DLC today. Finally getting able to stealth to my full capabilities without having to rein myself in for morality points was great.
thats crazy i just played through the entire thing thinking there were moral repercussions oml
@@mikedurkin_ From what I can tell, there's only a few things that will impact the story. Holstering your weapon upon meeting the captain, sparing the sniper, and some other things I can't remember off the top of my head. Aside from that, you can just go hog wild and butcher your way through the DLC lmao
@@heroicryan6257 seems like they did a good job making the game with all this discussion anyway
holy damn I realized that I've played through the entire DLC without using the incendiary rounds...
Just a quick reminder about the story, Kozch (The sniper in one of the playthrough where you have to apprehend) has been rumoured to see a large aeroplane (AC-130 perhaps?) roam around the south of Vladivoska, it's a detail you will miss if you don't pay attention to the locals having conversation cuz they were a lot of rumours about it, This might be a teaser of such for a sequel or who knows I might just be overanalyzing...
im pretty sure its nod to the novel Towards the Light . in the novel there is an ekranoplane in Vladivostok
@@Kill4Time255 could you please tell more about this if you can?
@@Kill4Time255 this is likely it, the previous metro game nods to a lot of books and novels.
Ac 130 Angel of death fuck yes
I hope not, sick and tired of these fucking games.
Sam comes to his home in San Diego.
And sees: NCR soldiers patrolling the area. Deathclaws playing peek-a-boo with ghouls.
Then, The Courier approaches him and says: Welcome to the club, buddy.
The 7th courier
NCR Soldiers patrolling into walls. Deathclaws disappearing randomly and Ghouls t-posing.
Then, The Courier flys by at 356 Mph performing the rocket jump while slowly becoming deformed and says: Welcome to the club, buddy.
Sam leaves.
war, war never changes.
Like 245 years too early but alright
San Francisco
The fact that there’s so much debate over which is the “good” ending shows just how well written the ending was, it’s not a black and white right or wrong choice, it’s a moral dilemma, it’s up to you to decide. Will he use those nukes? Maybe, maybe not, it’s up to you to decide if it’s a risk worth taking.
Yep. I'm still wondering which is good. I also liked this dlc more than the main game.
Why would he use them? If he does he has no more nukes, If a settlement doesnt join him, he can just leave and try it on the next one.
@@rahul-qm9fi i think we'll get our answer in the next metro game if there ever is one and even though Artyom's story is over and depending on what ending of sam's story is canon his story is just beginning
Tom's less likely to use the nukes than the Russian guy you kill at the end of this. Even less so now that he's out of the picture. Hell, he even might reuse the nukes' warheads to powerup a nuclear power plant to revive a whole city.
@@_MaZTeR_ at the same time his sub could be overun by a warmongering faction that ends up using the nukes before we can set up such a power plant.
They got me worried when klim stabbed him, but then i remembered what Artyom has gone through😅
Good point, the man has been shot, punched in the face, and even had Ebola and survived, so really a stab wound should be pretty eash
@@MrBlaster500 in the novels it was sligthly worse. Artyom was kept a slave by the nazis for a few weeks and after that fought to death in a battle royale against some red army prisoners with things like pickaxes, shovels and hammers in a dark tunnel.
@@serjrocks damn,the novel is interesting, might buy it later
@@racersolid9443 it's kinda different from the games, has a lot of weird things on the level of the people praising the catfish like in Exodus. The only one really close to the games was 2033. The narrative focus more on the super natural and power struggles between the factions in the Metro. Artyom is not a super slavic killing machine like in the games XD
@@serjrocks even better,artyom game version is really overpowered, like mad crazy,when anna worried about him in the terminal i was like "wifey he killed big momma and nuked the dark ones with your dad so this one is child's play to him" His deeds in previous game is really crazy.
Hopefully the Mojave wasteland finally get their nuclear winter too
It did back in 2088
@@kgb1234 it's 2036 so it's before
haha i get the referrence
Hopefully it's a PROPER Frontier.
Both endings have some good and bad in them, but following Sam and his time with Artyom and Miller... I doubt he would betray what he stood for all these years.
yes
I agree having now seen both endings that Sam would have chosen to blow up the sub. However i chose to get Sam home because after all these years in the metro he deserves to get back.
Also I like submarines.
@@illliiiiillliii6265 nah Tom is just following what his forefathers did to open up Japan to trade; powerful weapons and a show of force helped open East Asia to the Europeans. They wouldn't actually nuke cities over it, much less his own country
exactly seems to me that the bad ending is the first one hehehe
@@pototokayman considered good ending by the game files
In my playthrough I was really divided between destroying the sub or not. But after being impaled by Klim I finally decided to keep it intact. Sam crossed literally half world to get the chance to go home, and, after almost losing his life, he deserved it. Also, he is in his 40s, and may never have other chance to see his father
divided? How? I dont understand why would anyone want to blow up the sub considering the Klim was gone and Tom didnt want to use the nukes
That's actually why I think that's so immoral. His dad is dead. It's so improbable that he's still alive that you can say that with a good degree of certainty. He's risking more atrocities on the pipe dream of seeing likely a 70-80 year old man who would've had to have been in the right place at the right time when the bombs fell, in a location where radiation was kept at bay, food/water/medical attention were readily available, and the new leadership wasn't insane or murderously oppressive. He's risking those atrocities in the hopes of seeing a dead man.
@@ledumpsterfire6474 but you are forgetting any actual nuclear weapons of today contain tritium a material that decays in 12 years those nukes have gone bad at this point lack of maintenance is also a factor not maintaining nuclear weapons kills the weapon but okay let's say it doesn't use tritium guess what without the electronics you just have a radioactive piece of junk and we'll radiation kills technology
I blew the damn thing up
@@Endlessnutella1 I didn't, what's the point? Even if Tom decided to use nukes he could but, on what? You really think that a single sub with limited range and quite little amount of nukes could really damage whatever is left of the world after thousand of detonations more than said detonations ever did? The worst he could do would be threaten like some coastal villages with less than what? Maybe 10.000 souls? Like walking around the desert with a handful of hand grenades and using them over an ant nest.
Both endings arent bad from Sam's POV.. either he got home, finally got his dream, after being given hope by Artyom's own actions. OR. he doesn't go home, being proud that he stopped the world from getting nuked again, from repeating the same mistakes. his dream very much still strong and alive.
Nuke what though? It's a destroyed world riddled with mutants bandits and small communities
@@player764nuke the small community then !
he still gets home tho if he blows it up. they show him arriving in san diego just much later with it being all snowy
@@player764I considered the fact that Artyom is already starting a new path to civilization depending on whatever ending you think is the real one, and that I imagine Tom quickly taking it over with the threat of nukes (He did say he was gonna use it more as threats.), besides there is probably more chances of actual civilizations, that have somewhat of a functioning community. In my opinion it is probably best for Sam to blow it up, he even since state he isn’t gonna give up finding a way back home. If there is a working submarine, that means there is probably another way to America with less of the price of allowing nukes to be functional. That’s just my opinion to be honest.
@@PaulieWalnuts13 What alternate dimension did you spawn from? Thats the same bridge as the one in Vladivostok. He's stuck there for several months and saying "I will come home"
Funny fact:
First ending is called “Good”. Second is “Bad”. Just look in the game files.
Tha'ts true. Looks like devs wanted to have some fun - i mean, they can easily name them ending 1/ ending 2. But as some people reported they hadn't have a choice in the end by their playstyle(or just don't paying any attention to Captain asks) and they got automatically ending with going to USA. You see, if it's gonna be "good" ending by default, why would they give players a chance to do something "wrong" and get "bad" ending, doing actually kind things to Captain and helping him? Right, none of them is bad/good or canonical. 4A got some sense of humour.
@xHarux3 that "not bad person" wanted to rob cities, which are close to the sea and his ship got pirate flag. Also that person got nuclear missile to fear everyone who gonna resist and who knows how many people will die if missile would be used once . So is it "good" thing to leave such ship with person on it dooming some usa people to be robbed or even one Day murdered? (May be not by Tom) Are you sure?
@@windywalker4598 Maybe it is not wrong coming from metro 2033 Redux I can say it coud be that him goign back to america is like the dark ones being destroyed in 2033 it is what would be a cnon ending while the alternative ending would be an alternative relaity.
@@windywalker4598 What does happen if yoi dont get the captain's trust? He doesnt give you the detonator so do they search him and find it right before the mutiny?
@@user-sc9oy1kz8g It seems that you will get his trust whatever you do, and in a way you have no way of pissing him off.
I chose Sam to go home, 20 years away from his family, it wasnt even his fault for being there he was just stationed to guard the U.S. Embassy, helping Miller and Artyom on their journey, saving us a few times. Sam deserved to go home.
go home and let a suspicious guy loose with a submarine and a nuclear warhead just so he can see his 70 year old father whos most likely dead?
I followed the captain
thats what i call a dlc 6 hours long
Still far call from CDProjectRed DLC's.
true but very difrent type of games wile i wish the game and dlc were longer this is only a smal studio and qwit frankly day make beter games as big companys like EA and so
and wile ther dlc may not be witcher3 like long they are good DLC its not like 1 new wepon but a real story
@@heroruls I agree. That's why i bought the gold edition. On most games i dont even bother with DLC's nowadays.
You MUST be rushing it if you only got 6 hours out of it! I got like double that.
@@ThaSlymes sory to say but I did not try to do it fast but it only took me like 7.5 hours
I would buy a Metro game based in America with Sam as lead character in a heartbeat
I feel like it couldn’t really be called metro at that point though, probably just sams something idk
@@prik9802 they could Call it Subway lmao
Just buy a Fallout game.
Seeing how Sam's Story portrays the American hero in most cheesy over top American action hero way, no way.
that literally fallout
And with the America return Ending, Sam accidentally created the Russian Brotherhood of Steel.
@@jingoinsanity5096 Comrades of Steel, Russianhood of Steel makes no sense.
i wish the first ending showed what they did to the captain. he was the homie
I'd like to think he was arrested on the sub but not killed, but then without being able to get his ship back to his control knowing that someone might use it for unjust cause he commited suicide. But I guess it's up to player after all
@@yurishakalov6213 theres no arrests in post apocalyptic worlds lol. The captain locked everyone behind a door so you could blow them all up. Kinda fucked up I'm sure they killed him
@@jw3384 Tom told his men to take him alive.
@@cactuslietuva are you sure? I guess I didnt hear it
He probably remained there like how they arranged.
Here is a thing.
Going back to US is a proper ending as Sam left his comrades for a one way journey after been alongside them for decades. He himself have said that the Colonel was the only person keeping him around because he also owed him his life. Once that was done he immediately leaves without a second thought.
That means he is still American in his heart and never really assimilated still feeling alien among them. Besides that Tom is still a decent enough guy considering the world they live in and kept his word when he absolutely didn't have to and it was Klim who was committing atrocities all that time.
Blowing up the Sub is what Artyom would do, but Sam is different. With Tom around he can influence him enough probably not to do anything stupid in the future, while also been a sensible person himself.
its not. you have to do certain things to get the option for the "good ending", and thats blowing the sub.
@@TNM001 There is only one good ending for Sam and that is returning home. Anything else is not a good ending. Tom trusts Sam and they are both Americans, they both finally achieve their goals. Everyone else views Sam as a foreigner and there is nobody and nothing that holds him in Russia especially when he travelled on the other side of the continent which clearly means he won't ever meet his old team (with whom he only had professional relations).
He won't be around Sam tho as he will probably go to American soil on his own leaving the sub behind.
@@TheEthereathat last part you said can’t be so far form the truth, did you play metro and did you not hear what he said at the start of the dlc? It wasn’t a professional for him to stay, he stayed because he considered them family and since everyone settled down, everyone decided to do their own thing.
@@gerardocortez135 I recall that he specifically said that Colonel was the person who led him through the hardships of post apocalypse after saving his life, where he would otherwise be killed as an enemy and that was his way to repay Colonel by serving under him until Colonel died. As that journey was over at that point and he could never settle in a land that will forever treat him as an outsider which he mentions a lot of times in main campaign as well, he decides to try his luck and make that journey. Yes they went through a lot with that team but only one person was really important for him.
When sam finally come home just to see a guy wearing blue suit launching mini nukes everywhere...
SAM: war, war never changes
Ahahahahahhahaha.....
That cracked me up🤣🤣🤣
Hahahaha.....mini nuke with explosive gun...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂
That made my sunday, thank you!
I would pay full 60 Dollar price for these DLCS if they kept coming out with more. These guys are the best game makers in my opinion tied with CD project Red. I really hope they continue
Hello Reddit!
I love both studios as well.... and Capcom Dev Team 1! bring on the Resident Evils
Getalt would make fortune in metro universe killing mutants
Eastern Europe is now the "beacon" of proper game development.
oh boy ...cyberbug
Don't think Sam could pick siding with Tom considering everything he was taught by the Spartan Rangers and Artyom.
Morro imagine being stuck in Russia's far east coast and your only way to get home is to side with this guy.
I mean even if you stuck here (in Russia) without nuclear war, mutants etc. you'll still do this, believe me
@@LaserTractor Lol maybe, but just thinking about Sam's history with the Spartans and how easily he could have just been killed for being a US foreigner who was also a Marine, and the hate people might harbor towards him for this. Instead they just treated him like family.
Morro russian people are hard to deal with. That's what i can say from my 23 years experience. You'll never know will a stranger be kind to you if you're in a bad situation, but I think 40-50% will be nice.
Other 50% are so blinded with our tv propaganda that when they hear "americans" they will most likely react like bandits in Metro in "we can use him, then rob him, haha stuped omerecan" way (Bandits and their interactions in metro are somewhat cringe but you get the point). I guess Sam was just lucky to find good company.
@@LaserTractor Fair enough, I mean I grew up in Florida, and that's kind of like Metro except without the snow.
@@LaserTractor same goes for the Russians themselves, lol.
Sam has always risked his life for others, so for me Sam would choose to keep his dream for a later date, and help other people.
Yes bro
And I think that Sam did enough to get retired in San-Diego.
@@Validoleech yes, but not at the cost of innocent lives
@@andygygi5135 Vladivostok either way stays without nuclear reactor, and people on submarine most likely will not die after explosion because they are at least bodyguards of Cat. And his influence on America will stay like it was in Vladivostok, because it's stupid to use warheads against primitivized civilization, as it was stupid to stand against Vladivostok's main source of power.
@@Validoleech Tom has clearly stated he intends to use the nukes to force people to give what he wants. What if they refuse to listen to him?
I chose the bad ending for several reasons:
- I didn't trust Tom would pick me up
- The captain's death would be in vain
- Sam could always go back to Artyom's group
- Going back to america might be a mistake Sam would regret
- Tom might use the nuclear weapons
Watching this now, I kinda regret my choice.
Yes. I'm kinda sad now too. Next day I don't blow up.
-Sam can find another way to get home
The Bad ending is that Sam Blows up the Sub for whatever reason.
@@chocolat-kun8689 No, the game files reveal that one is called the ''good'' ending... because even though it's not ideal for Sam, it's generally worse to leave nukes in the hands of someone who literally said "just drop anchor in view of any settlement, open our missile ports, and they will readily give us everything..." That's something a bandit/ tyrant would do. He even uses a pirate flag and blows up a ship on the way.
-Sam still can back to America later,the submarine is not the only choice,Sam didn't even expect to see a submarine in this world, so there's always another way to go back home
I was gonna blow up the sub, but i heard a background conversation about how Tom didnt want to use the warheads, which is why Klim betreayed Tom.... so its really a good ending, the implications that Tom MIGHT use the warheads isnt confirmed, its just speculation. And Tom promised Captain that he wouldn’t. Thats why i didnt blow it up.
It is an accumulation of 'moral points' from decisions made throughout the game that decides which ending you get. You don't get to choose which when the moment arrives.
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@@profsakharov1191 Yes you do. The main game had moral points but this ending is purely player chosen.
@@Cl0ud5trife Could you give me some idea when the player makes that decision? I went through Sam's Story for the first time yesterday. At no point was I given such a choice. When it came time to take out the remote detonator I wanted to blow the sub. Sadly the game would not let me, and Sam went to America.
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@@profsakharov1191 I finished it two days ago. After the fight with Klim and they ram the sub through the gate and head into the Harbor. Sam is staggering to the edge of the pier like the cutscene but it gave me the option of blowing it or letting it go.
@@Cl0ud5trife Can only think there are things you have to do to be given the choice and I missed one or more of them. The whole thing at the end was cutscene for me, no control at all.
That is the one disappointing thing about Exodus and the DLC - far too much time spent with the game taking over and playing your part for you. Still too many invisible walls keeping you out of interesting-looking bits of the maps, too.
Though I did get to visit a part of Novosibirsk, in Exodus, that is usually out of bounds - a Blind One caught me just right and knocked me right off the building. I barely survived the fall, landed in a snowy street and, while looking for a way back in, found the Colonel in the vehicle waiting just around the corner to come and scrape me up later. There was no way back in other than reloading.
The next installment should be pretty good. If Artyom is going to bring the Moscow Metro masses to Lake Baikal he is going to need more help than his seven squad members, so we're probably going to see the return of the Dark Ones. And Artyom still has a score to settle with Hanza - he didn't kill nearly enough of them, during the escape from Moscow, to pay them back for trying to kill him and Anna and keeping their dirty secrets.
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Honestly thought the ending with him in the snow was way sadder I thought for a sec he was just on a couple planks of wood trying to make his away through the water but then realized it was a dock
what an idiot
@@namename-tr8il God damn, you always this friendly?
Same bro
As soon as Sam lands he sees Cazadors and decides to go back to Russia
LoL. Or nuke them
The entire debate about the "nukes" aboard the sub is a silly one. Without the ability to replace the tritium in the warheads, those weapons would be useless after about a decade. Exodus takes place about 5 years after Last Light. Assuming those weapons had fresh tritium in the warheads when Last Light took place, the missile's would only be functional for another 4-5 years. The sub itself would be a potent weapon, true, but not an insurmountable one.
Hell, Tom's presence with a massive force multiplier like the sub, and an organized assault force led by a trained soldier would actually be of great benefit for the species in the long run, even if a bit tough on the locals in the short term. If Tom could set up a pocket Empire, get things organized and ordered in a local area with access to the sea, he'd be well on his way to restarting a viable civilization. Rome began as a village of fishermen, pirates, and bandit/farmers. The Macedonian Empire began as a collection of warring tribes of barely literate savages that occasionally came down out of the hills and raided/annoyed the Greeks. Most of the ancient nations our civilizations are built upon almost always started out as a bunch of frothing savages that decided art, hygiene, and architecture make things much better then not having those things. Tom might not have been Alexander or Charlemagne, but he definitely had a better plan than anyone else we met. And better yet, his plan seemed to be working, for the most part. Always a plus, that.
Yeah definitely. But it is highly possible that nobody had the knowledge about the nukes. Both Tom and Klim just cared about having it, while Klim wanted to use it as a show of force, Tom was only interested in using it as a force multiplier, as you said. The Captain however, is another story. He should've known about the nukes', considering he was the captain of the sub. Probably an oversight from the devs.
Still, it makes total sense that the Captain distrusts Tom, considering his business like attitude, and the fact that they had hostilities before.
I' have picked go home 20 years in the tunnels and 1.5 years on the road 1 chance to get a first class ticked home after all the shit he went through to see his dad yeah I would side with Tom atleast he has a vision for the future
Hydrogen bombs use lithium-6 deuteride. Last time I checked, both deuterium and lithium-6 are stable isotopes, meaning they will never go bad. Now, the plutonium-239 in the fission primary (thermonuclear weapons use a fission bomb to produce the temperatures and pressures needed for fusion) is unstable, but has a half life in excess of 24,000 years. The aluminum the missile is made out of would corrode away before the Pu decayed off.
So, assuming they could somehow bypass any safeing mechanisms, those were still viable weapons.
@@ryanpayne9119 Tritium boosting (more correctly deuterium-tritium boosting) is a technique for increasing aspects of the efficiency of fission devices. It is not a full fusion reaction, although a tritium-boosted fission Primary will be more effective in initiating a fusion Secondary. While boosting itself produces only a slight additional amount of blast, it has a major effect on the neutrons produced by the Primary, and indeed may increase explosive yield of other parts of the Primary.
When it became apparent that the more neutrons became available from the first fission, however, the idea arose that injecting a small amount of tritium into the fission Primary would not appreciably increase the explosive yield but would greatly increase both the number and speed of neutrons.
Tritium boosting has a number of significant technical and military advantages, which explain why it is used in essentially all modern militarized nuclear weapons, including in the UK, US, Russia, Israel, India, Pakistan, and North Korea.These advantages comprise:
high efficiency with relatively low compression and thin reflector/tamper;
low weight and small size;
intrinsic safety capability (zero or negligible yield when the tritium is not in the weapon
Tritium is a radioactive isotope with a half-life of 12.355 years. Its main decay product is Helium-3, which is among the nuclides with the largest cross-section for neutron capture. Therefore, periodically the weapon must have its helium waste flushed out and its tritium supply recharged. This is because any helium-3 in the weapon's tritium supply would act as a poison during the weapon's detonation, absorbing neutrons meant to collide with the nuclei of its fission fuel. Thus, any modern thermonuclear weapon, if left un-maintained, will become unusable after about 12 years.
Attempting to detonate the fission Primary on the weapon would result in a sub-nuclear explosion, and would fail to initiate the necessary first stages of fusion. You'd get a bigger explosion from a thermobaric weapon or even a large conventional bomb.
Tbh, why would Tom use the nuclear bomb in the first place? There really isn’t any reason to, considering the submarine and soldiers he has is more than enough to show authority to other coastal settlements. Sam even says this during the US ending that there would be no way another nuclear war would kill the world considering the world is already dead. Also, blowing up the submarine could also be destroying one of the last methods of intercontinental travel, which would be a big part in restoring civilisation.
And when Sam comes home, he will be greeted by a many mutants and ghouls T posing and the loud beckoning voice of Tom Howard saying "It just works".
16 times the detail
I found this DLC quite a difficult grind to get through so I chose to go home, no way I went through all that to have Sam freezing his ass off on that riverbank no closer to his goal.
Unless you hit right on most of the 'moral points' that are tied to decisions you make throughout the game you don't get to choose the ending. It is chosen by the game based on your 'moral points' score.
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@@profsakharov1191 Stop spreading misinformation, you literally can choose the ending, this is the one case where you can choose the ending.
@@hugoperez2993 Tell that to my game which did choose the ending. What possible mileage could I get from 'spreading misinformation'? If it hadn't happened to me I would have had absolutely no reason for saying it had. So stop making wild accusations when you have no original knowledge of the matter yourself.
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@@hugoperez2993 It's like the earlier metro games. If you have a really low moral score the game doesn't really let you choose. It's not misinformation at all. You need a decent enough moral score to choose at the end. If you play as a bad guy who kills everything that's when you get those types of ending
@@is0latedplays453 the games before are based solely off your actions over the course of the game, with no choice at all coming at the end. This DLC does not take into account what you do. You automatically get the choice.
Next metro game sam goes home.
Sam homecoming.
And then we change his name is Sam Bridges
Either that or Artyom saves the people from the metro
he is already at home. i got the good ending bad boy
@@hema-val we get it you beat the game you don't gotta say three time.
In my opinion the good ending is where sam blows it up. He has been taught important values both in the army and with the rangers. he's seen firsthand what destruction nuclear war causes and I think he would want to prevent that. Also who knows what tom would do? He may seem nice but he could lose his cool one day and use the nukes. Plus its safer to destroy it because the sub could be hijacked. We say how klim, a right hand to tom betrayed tom. Someone could easily do that again
Sam apparently didn't give a shit about nuking the Dark Ones.
@@fnhatic6694 because the dark ones were alien like creatures that made everyone (except Artyon) who went even near one of them insane, and we're making the metro population kill each other ? They were clearly a treat and at the time no one knew the dark ones were sentient, also they didn't nuke the dark ones, if they did Artyon would've been killed, he was so close to the explosion
Ho is it good ending blowing a sub full of the good guys? If klim got the sub yes that would be the good ending but with him gone? Why?
Two years late but, Klim mentions that the sub would be better in his hands because he already has a few targets and would actually use it, and he said that Tom is only going to use it to scare hostiles away, he said that when he backstabbed him, so it's clear that not blowing it up is the good ending
@@ShoaibKurdi But even so, they are nuclear weapons, their crew is not trustworthy and these weapons are so destructive that in the hands of pirates they would be a danger.
This is how New California Republic was really created
It's crazy how no one is putting two and two together here. Only the 1st ending has anyone left nearby to give him medical attention... Meaning Sam must be in heaven or at least an "afterlife" in the "second ending" with a rainbow, bright sun and... Closure... 😭 I just beat it and already miss Sam
The 1st is good ending, Sam didn't blow up the sub (apparently Akula typhoon class submarine) and arrived in San Francisco, Tom helped him. Now we hopefully will have Metro American edition besides the episode when Artyom going back to Moscow.
What about a metro french edition? Something about what happened in France when the nuclear bomb ravaged the city.
@Peter Mamaev but American subway already got infested, even before the war. Very little chance for human survival.
@@TheREALHugo4 yeah, French had immigration & protest in problem, that troubles itself would bring apocalypse to the society, long before the nuclear war.
@@rizkinadakonveksi8092 And it would be a great idea to make a metro game based on that part of the story.
@@TheREALHugo4 yes, new metro universe, Artyom would go as far as Paris & Berlin! Or maybe the 3rd nuke war which will finally put an end to human civilization (I know that's too much)!
Plot twist : sam is one of the brotherhood of steel founder
Sam: oh and one more thing... war.. war never changes.
I would like to see a seaquel to this story. Or a prequel about how Sam got to Vladivostok in a first place. I speak russian, but I really hope that our american friend will get home one way or another.
I rather a Sequel, I want to see Sam’s adventure in the US. He is finally home but now he has to find his family. No doubt there will be plenty of obstacles along the way.
A small dlc, I don't need more than two hours of Sam leaving Tom and finally getting at his home in San Diego and see his father again.
Maybe use the moral system of the game to decide if you find his father alive or death.
I liked how your decision at the end kind of shaped Sam's moral opinion to the point where he feels satisfied with either choice.
Let me explain to you why I personally think that the ending in which Sam goes to America is the good ending, well first of all, that's not the only nuclear submarine in the world, and Tom certainly isn't one to do something soo stupid especially since he is soo much of a peacefull character from all points of view, by the way, the captain is old and ex-military and of course the thought of an american obtaining a nuclear sub would make him anxious, there' absolutely nothing one single submarine can do to further damage the entire world anyways, so if you ask me the good ending is where Sam gets to America, also why the hell would he risk his life going all alone to Vladivostok and then he doesn't pursue his wish any further and stay longer to do absolutely nothing with his life. I did initially post this as a reply to a comment but I feel like it deserves it's own so more ppl can see.
"It's not the only nuclear submarine in the world" and " do something so stupid especially he is soo much of a peaceful character". Those two sentences together can explain how a nuclear war start.
Its like going around carrying a gun. Why wouldn't you want to use it at least once if you think it's worthy ?
Also, what is stopping him from using it, aside from his moral compass, which could spin around wildly in a post apocaliptic world where no one really have the autority to stop him ?
Also if you read the first metro 2033 it clearly stated that most of the surviving sub went crazy and started raiding/launching nukes on former enemy objectives/ failed to keep an jncredibli complex mechanism like a nuclear sub afloat in a nice environment such as the post nuclear apocalypse.
SCP 096 I think just like Sam says, you are thinking about this too negatively, first off Tom is a diplomat, he uses fear and control so that he doesn't use violence, exact same fucking thing that any country uses so that you don't break the law, and also I don't think that Tom's plans to rebuild civilization include any further nuking, just my take on it
@SCP 096 i agree with the first part, but not with the second. He sell gun ( formerly ) so he trives on conflict. Also going around for all the pacific seems an awful and a time consuming idea.
@SCP 096 yeah but toK is always the guy who would want other options the nuclear one might be a last option left but still
who would fire him no one
@@blackjack8296 "Its like going around carrying a gun. Why wouldn't you want to use it at least once if you think it's worthy ?" That says more about you than about people who carry guns. It's a tool. An inanimate object. A tool that responsible people use to protect themselves and others. Also there are other ways to use a gun than shooting a person. Competition or training.
From the way Tom cared about Sam at the beginning, I knew that I couldn’t betray him. After closing the door I listened to Toms conversation with his bodyguard, I assumed it would be something about getting rid of me, but he just told him to make sure Sam is as safe as possible
I recon Sam would take care of Tom if Tom really wanted to use nuclear weapons latter on
Alex Wycc I kinda have a question, why can’t he go back home AND THEN blow up the sub, it’s not like Tom’s henchman are smart enough to find it.
@@wolfheardt4169 Good point, another question is: why didn't the Captain just take his launch key (before his ship was taken over by Tom) and stash it somewhere? No need to destroy the sub since nuclear launches need two keys turned essentially simultaneously to authorize the launch.
@@wolfheardt4169 bro why would he destroy the sub after reaching home it would be like using a bicycle and then blowing it it prevent others to use it
Rajani Singh well, he is not a pirate, he has a clear conscience and moral ground, he served under Melnik, protected Moscow metro for 20 years and was a good guy, now tell me, bro, why in the hell person like that would let a dangerous people obtain and use nukes to be pirates and bandits?
stryker214 true as well, could be that he did hide them, but took them back when he tried stealthily leave with his crew before Tom took over. Or maybe Metro exodus just has ALOT of plot joke throughout its campaigns and DLCs XD
its the music that makes both endings so powerful good ^ the one represents a new journey into a new world with a powerful melody, the other one represents a not given up dream, taking a new road to archive that with a melody that is that starts sad but ends beatiful deep, the melody of struggle and hope ~
Destroying the sub is "the morally good" ending for multiple reasons:
- First the monologue of SAM : "I've been doing what I've done for the last 20 years.. Saving the world..."
- Secondly, let's say you don't destroy the sub, you get to a wasteland of America. He hopes to see his father, but he must realise, the chances of that are almost impossible, for obvious reasons.
- Thirdly, the way the "destroy sub" ending.. well ends... with "one day", is exactly how the ending in Metro 2033 ended (with Artyom hearing the signal on top of the tower). I think 4A games wants to do more here (or they should).
- Forth, the damn pirate flag. I am not sure Tom can overwhelm the urge to "push the button" if someone doesn't "comply".
- Lastly, I do understand why everyone loves the "just want to get home" feeling (I am also inclined to do it), but doing something like that for the wrong reasons with potentially huge consequences.... Is not in my book! (Ted was right! He didn't used the sub in the "Last War" and it shouldn't be used now to promulgate the agenda of a thief... err "businessman" that Tom is).
I do have to agree though: This is epic and awesome writing for you! Having to pick sides and debate the moral choices and why each ending is justified! (Both are from different points of view! But I can clearly say there is no good/bad ending here as both are "bittersweet").
Cheers!
his name was ed not ted idiot
Well what I want to know is why people assume exodus takes place 5-6 years after last light. I mean the game is based of 2035 and last light took place in 2034 while the 2034 book artyom(not 2033 or 2035 artyom) was doing his shit. And since it is based on 2035 that means that it must take place somewhere in 2034-2035 so let's just say 2033's story since in Artyom's time only lasted a week and a few days and was in winter then it must have been early in the year 2033 for it to still be winter. Then a year later last light takes place and it's still winter so possibly the beginning of the year 2034 and the exodus starts out in winter. Late 2034 maybe and ends in winter(at least for when you control artyom) so possibly late 2035 and the epilogue is 2036's spring. Thus making Artyoms full journey take 3 years to pass. Making him 22-24 remember he was an infant when the books fell so he cant be older then that. He was 20 in 2033, 21 in LL and possibly 22 in exodus. But if he was 1-2 which is considered a toddler he'd be 21 or 22 in 2033 but its literally said that he had just turned 20 so hes around 22 years old. And now let's take into account Anna. They both fell in love with eachother during Last light and got married in between LL and Exodus which they wouldn't need to date or be engaged first because in Metro you could die at any time cause of the dangers. So there is my theory
Think Tom is really going to use nukes that probably don't work anymore anyway to destroy some boats or some tiny towns besides Tom is American I don't think he wants to nuke his own people.
@@WouldYouKindlyGWAR Could be! This is why I think the ending(s) are all awesome and makes us ponder on what to actually do ^_^
Now this is good writing in a Story and Video Game ^_^
PS: Thank you for the reply, much appreciated!
Given the fact the game developers spent more time on the coming to America ending, I consider it the canon one.
Also, remember the tape you play for the Cinephile achievement? It talks of an established trade relationship between San Diego and the Russian port you start in.
Only makes sense to me that they restart that trade relationship between Russia and America anew, using the sub to carry people and resources back and forth. It'd be a genuine rekindling of civilization, but through trade and cooperation. The threat of using the sub as a bargaining chip loses its need.
Steven Blum the voice actor
I knew it.
AKA Tank Dampsy
Jack bartlett for you ace combat homies
Man i was positive, but never checked the name!
This is DLC about one thing. Choice. You make it and you live with its consequences till the rest of your days. Life is sad thing too in most of ways, and often there are no "good" or "bad" things, right or wrong. Just some choices which everyone has to do.
Pretty sad DLC, it was hard to watch Sam destroying his dream, but saving whole settlements of people from pirates and other scum who can use one day nuclear missile.
In my opinion, as you already got it, there is no canonical ending from devs point of view.
But.
This is Sam story. Not yours. Not mine. If I were in such situation, I would do everything for making my dream true. Even nowdays, I would give almost everything(my aim is pretty similar to Sam's one). But I am not Sam.
After hours of thinking I feel like Sam would blow up that submarine(like 50.1% probabilty vs 49.9% of going home with nuclear pirates) . Because that he is - spartan, protector of people, just a good guy, who used to do good things. And even after doing this he doesn't surrender. And I believe he would try another way to get home till the very end . But it's seemed that he lost his last chance. It's conflict between the man he is and the man he wanna be.
This DLC actually requires you to make the choice like Sam would do.
But we will never know what Sam would do, and that's beatiful.
Hit me right in the anus :'(
choosing to side with tom(maybe it isnt a choice sam would make) is a better option in my opinion. even though sam was said to be a brutal leader in terms of his treatment with those who wouldnt cooperate with him, he was still praised or atleast forgiven by the people of vladivostock as you hear them in some conversations talking about how even though hes harsh, he still brought order and greater levels of cooperation to the city. yeah maybe tom might use a nuke or two(which is unlikely considering how klim turned against him because he didnt want to really use any nukes), siding with tom still gives humanity, or atleast some parts of the earth a chance to rebuild society through greater levels of order and cooperation brought by tom. after hearing about how unbelievably harsh and chaotic vladivostock was(like the rest of USSR and probably USA plus europe too) before tom arrived while hearing some of the inhabitants talking, id say tom did a pretty good job at bringing order and cooperation to the city which looked impossible considering the odds.
just my take on the matter
I hope this leads to a spin off of a game set in america
Stewart Casey I agree. That shit would be so much better than Fallout.
@@jakebooth658 I think they should since Artyum's story is pretty much over ,and this dlc might be a hint of a spin off
@@pessimismwithsaltforflavor9141 I really feel like that's what they are setting this dlc for a spin off game set in america, but Sam probably wouldn't be the main character, he'd play a part in it I'm sure, but even so we won't see that game for a few more years lol
As much as id love a metro game set in America i feel they should rename it to something else since the Metro franchise is id say Russian
@@Dnave26 well ya more than likely they would rename it, hence the words spin off, there by going by another title lol
Anyone else find it hilarious that Sam says his home is San Diego, but in all the pictures/video/representations it’s clearly San Francisco?
I like that this DLC had an actual moral dilemma at the end. The language Sam uses to describe his thoughts in the 'no trigger' ending, is pretty loaded, but neither choice seemed morally certain. You either murder a sub full of people cause they might be bad, or you give them a chance, after removing the worst of the bunch (probably). One choice benefits you directly, one indirectly (maybe). Look, I'm actually thinking about it for more than a few seconds. Pretty cool.
You guys have almost forgotten about the captain? I noticed that he was in a clean and nice uniform that he used to wear when he was a real captain, instead of dirty rags but I didn't know what that meant.
After blowing the sub, I found that he was ready to face the last of his life and such a respectable man.
Metro 4 needs to be about Artyom again and add DLC likes this so we can have a little bit of both, more Artyom and more extra stories🥺
The soundtracks of this game are amazing. Loved the game, i hope we see another one. I smelled a hint at the end.
i just finnished, damn i feel silly for looting all those dead guys at the end lol. Anyhoo, i opt'd to destroy the sub . came here to watch what happens if you go flag.
Sam going to America is the good ending. That sub has a nuclear reactor. It can power cities, machines, light, anything from the old world. With Sam keeping Tom in check, they could build a new society that can actually thrive instead of just survive. Something like that could bring humanity back from the brink
Okay but did Sam ever see his dad??? Like that's one of the parts that really hits home with me is how much he wants to see his dad again
Is the voice actor the same one that voiced tank dempsey?
hell yeah he is
and spike from cowboy bebop
Yeah he is
Yup, Steve Blum. Dude is amazing.
@@SilencedHalo is that sub zero?
There's no good or bad ending, there's an ethical choice and a price to pay for it.
I blew it up, the thought of building a new civilization wile pointing nuclear missiles at people disgusted me.
So you have no common sense ok
@@podroznikzpustkowi4805 the world ended in nuclear war, and you try to rebuild it with nuclear weapons power lead by a man that wasn't chosen by the people. Your "common sense" is wonderful!
@@JaySilva88 that's how it works in the apocalypse scenario, strong rule when weak are being ruled, there is nothing wrong in what Tom is trying to achieve
What if they do rebuild civilization though? Even if they did by threat of force, is that so much worse than destroying a submarine full of people that have yet to do anything wrong?
But Tom said he won't use the nukes. Besides Sam is in the sub so I think he won't let Sam do that.
I don't know why but every time I get any of these endings I always get shivers at my spine. Like have you ever gotten that feeling where you need to rest but it feels like you have to do.
Just imagine Hansa and the Spartans to meet the Brotherhood of Steel and the Minutemen
Would be another war after the one Minutemen tried to give the Russians 1000 side quests for Minutemen settlements
First ending Patriotism and loyalty
Second Ending Heroism and Hope
I just played out this dlc and I loved it might even be better than the campaign and that was great. For the ending I chose to let Tom have the sub I felt it was the only right decision and it felt good after too. Tom was a nice guy he even sent his soldiers to get Sam, he could easily have left him there. And Sam finally got to get home in that ending sadly we did not see if his father was there. The other ending is just sad and bad. Hope to get a metro game where we see more of Sam in america.
Why do almost all of my Favorite characters are voiced by Steve Blum!?
I know right
Shit he should of been the voice of Marcus feinx son in the new gears of war games it really sucks those sequels failed and that Steve Blum was never casted.
I feel like deciding whether it's a good ending or not, is all up to the player
And thats why sams story is the best dlc in the entire metro franchise
If you are attacking someone with an axe from behind and they dont know it, DONT TELL THEM THAT!
The next game is gonna be America - 2035 but its just detroit.
Yawn... People still making Detroit jokes in 2020
I'm just happy the developers captured what Cali actually looks like
@@irlplugg7391 Wich is even more sad the older we get. Wonder if in 50 years Detroit will still be the rat hole that is is compared to other places.
@@sirweebs2914 Maybe, maybe not... Still doing better than most states, like backwater ass Alabama and Virginia.
@@irlplugg7391 No it defenetly is not doing better then those places. Its insane to even say something ridiculous like that.
Oh God I hope we get another game with him, so his story gets to be continued.
I heard shoots at the end, maybe they will bring us a new dlc in the next Metro.
I have a feeling the American option is going to be canon, it will allow the developers to make a spin-off continuing Sam’s story
Disagree, it goes against the character of Sam and everything he fought for with the Spartan Order. They can always find another way. Vladivostok is not that far from Alaska, and from there he can make his way to CA along the coast or through Canada or something.
@@hugoperez2993 it makes no sense lore wise but business wise it makes a lot of sense, easy set up for another metro without Arytom or just a spin off
@@phillynation2906I don't buy it because they could always find another way to America. I'm certain at some point some sort of spinoff would come out, but the game is still very successful where it is right now in Russia.
@@hugoperez2993 ik, I’m just saying, you gotta look at it both ways
3:15 _ahh i see, you're a man of culture as well_
When it was time to make a decision, game stuttered and did not let me choose.
I chose the ending to not blow up the ship, and I feel like that was the morally better choice to make. Let me explain:
The Captains entire problem with the sub crew wasnt with Tom. He even admitted to liking him. It was Klim. Klim was the issue and the Captain wanted him gone, while Tom simply just disagreed. However, at the very end, Klim BECAME Toms problem as well, and the Captain and Tom didnt have a reason to "hate" eachother. Klim became the common enemy and after Sam killed him, there was honestly no real reason to go after Tom either. Tom treated Sam and the Captain with nothing but respect and showed immense trust towards them as well. It was always just Klim that was the problem, but he got dealt with, so the problem was done. Tom, and his men, wasnt a threat anymore and thus there was no need to blow the ship up. Could Tom have used the nukes on board? Maybe, but thats the risk Sam had to take with a fresh ticket home to the US. It was either take the risk, or just not go home. There was nothing else he couldve done.
Why kill Tom and the whole crew, when it was just Klim who was the problem? Thats all Im saying here.
Greatest DLC to any game ever... Might even say I kinda liked this more than the main storyline!
Sam looks alot like Max Payne. I think Metro Exodus is one of the best games I've played since RDR2. Even both of the dlc's were great.
So Tank Dempsey was on a mission in Russia before he joined Victus in BO Zombies?
Honestly this is the direction they should go the next Metro being sam trying to find his dad keep the series fresh.
I agree. It's different enough to feel fresh but they can keep the gameplay and story components we love. No need to stay in Russia for a fourth game. They could also tie in Tom and create more morally gray situations with the nuke.
Personally, I blew up the sub but I can see that NOT being the canon ending.
I like the 2nd sad ending more. It is so well done. I am so sorry for Sam
Dempsey when Nikolai didn't pick him up but he had upgraded raygun
I hope they make the next Metro and continuing Sam’s story. I love his character and Destroy or go home could be based for the next game. But I would rather have destroy over go home as a based story cause he’s still in Russia.
What I love that no one seems to spot is that Sam gets home no matter what, in the ending where he blows up the sub he still gets to San Fransisco, the bridge is right there it is just snowed over.
I think there is no good or Bad endings
Its all UP to your decisions and what ending you want to take
If you want sam to go back to America , his home then thats your good ending
If you want stop the nuclear War and save the world , then destroying the sub its your good
You have the choice here , there's no good or Bad ending , you choose what is your good ending and what is Bad ending and honestly i choose the destroying the sub ending cause sam did what he wanted to do , save the world at all costs
well anotger nuclear war wont happen
The nuclear war doesn’t happen. Tom would never use the missiles. He would use every other option he had before doing that, even if he did. Who would fire back? There would be no one to fire back
Do you stop a war by war?
He should have keep the detonator. And after he's in home, detonate it.
There was no risk of nuclear war, first the world has already seen thousands of bombs, one sub wont change that you guys have wierd perception of atomic weapons .
Anyone else notice Sam's missing 4 fingers in the San Francisco ending? Tom also said to take the old man alive. I bet the old man was tortured to death on his own sub, but they couldn't show that for some reason. Also, Tom cut his fingers off.
Fun details: In Going Back to America End, pirate flag was raised on the submarine; two short brief sounds of gunshot take place at the end of Sam's speech.
I had that sound when i blew up the sub. I think it was just sound effects from the battle bleeding into the cutscene.
@@crisco362 it's just a bug
that's probably just a bug.
the gunshot is so random, coming from the previous 'battle scene'
The missile on the submarine won't be operational because they haven't bean properly maintained and repaired for year since the war. Especially the Mayflower which based on the Typhoon class Submarine.The main weapon of the Typhoon is the R-39 Rif SLBM,which has been retired for it short service life.
I think it won't matter much for Tom, as he doesn't intend to *launch* nukes - only intimidate survivors with them into complying with his requests.
I picked the blow up submarine option, I felt like I had too blow it up because who knows if Tom really would've started another nuclear war. He didn't seem bad but he could've easily betrayed Sam if we let him live. I felt like blowing up the sub was the right thing to do. It was sad seeing Sam still stuck in Russia, but maybe he'll find another way home. The first ending seemed nice but like I said what if Tom just kills Sam for whatever the fuck reason as soon as he makes it home. Idk, I'm satisfied with the choice I made.
also, it's not like there is anything more to destroy but at least Sam will visit his home
I like the ending where he blows up the sub. It's the "good" ending in my eyes although it's the bad. Because you actually look out for the greater good.
Metro is under rated, every part of the game is perfect
The problem is we have information that mutually assured destruction can work. Given we are talking here right now.
The only issue that is the MAD theory doesn’t apply here. During the Cold War, Russia didn’t nuke the US because if they did, the US would have nuked Russia, and vice versa. In this case, what is preventing Tom from using the warheads? He has all the power.
@@andygygi5135 Pretty sure MAD is still in effect and will always be from now on.
@@thepsychocat7911 How? It isn’t mutually assured destruction. Tom would not be destroyed no matter what. Only the people without the nukes.
Im praying these series continue. I mean, i love this game play, this art concept. I've played the entire serie for about 4 times and i never get over it
For me the "USA-Ending" is the good one. why should i kill tom and everyon on board? Tom isn´t really so bad an klim is dead. the Port-village is destroyed. so there is nothing left but the submarine. and in the ending most of the people are alive, i am home and there is one more pirate in the postapocalypse. so what? so what would he even nuke? ruins of citys? come on..he even mentioned he is not willing to shoot.
pat tap, you have a point but still as the captain (i can't remember his name) said "Tom" is a businessman. He might not be able to nuke many things but let's just say he finds other survivors. He could either help them or threaten them with nukes since not that many of his men are alive. I might've taken it a bit too far but you never know how it could end.
Tom's entire idea is to use the sub to threaten communities into complying with what he wants. He wants to rebuild civilization, sure, but according to HIS way. This is inherently flawed. While it might work in the short term, you only have to look at the fall of the Roman Empire to see that the exact same thing would happen eventually. Tom isn't going to be around forever. Once he's out of the picture, how long is it before the communities just leave, or his leaders start fighting for control of the sub? He might not have been willing to push the launch button, but other people surely are.
@@everythingsalright1121 a few more wounds on a corpse won't make a difference my friend
@@everythingsalright1121 All civilizations are created towards someone's vision, especially in times of chaos like this game is set it. Also the Roman empire accomplished a lot before it fell (and ALL civilizations fall eventually), I'd say the world was better off for it overall, not worse.
Don't forget tom took the sub by force to start with and was willing to betray klim first
*me pulling up to Tom with the captain*
“Damn this dlc is pretty chill, there’s no major decisi- 🙁”
For real. When The Captain started telling me about his plan and how he trusted me with the detonator, my heart rate spiked higher than when I was dealing with the spiders. Knowing the Metro games I just KNEW that using the detonator or not was gonna be an agonizing moral decision. And it definitely delivered.
12:00 this has got to be the canonical ending its too sad to not be
I don't think it is
The first Final showed is considered "Good"
Usually the good endings are the canonic one
@@andrealuisi9097 I don't know. Metro Last Light continued with a bad ending of Metro 2033
Andrea Luisi the “Bad” ending of metro 2033 was canon so I don’t know if that’s true
i blew up the sub just for a screenshot of sam in the snow for my xbox background haha
I didn't get it, didn't in Exodus they said that while Russia is still lays in ruins the western countries are managed to restore themself, did I get it wrong or it was a lie?
I think the mean europa
Because america was hit by nukes from russia
Ps sry for bad english
I don't know what these other guys are talking about, but yeah, I think you misunderstood something. Hansa or whoever put up those jammers around Moscow claimed that NATO was still around and had invaded Russia, but that turned out to be a lie. In all likelyhood, the US, and the rest of the world for that matter, are probably as destroyed as Russia. The entire world suffered from nuclear winter, and the US in particular was hit by Russia's nuclear arsenal. It also seems to me that 4A's intention with Metro's world is that no country or institution survived the war, that everything was destroyed and "reset". I'll be disappointed if I turn to be wrong, it'd be lame if it turned out that a country survived or something. The whole point of Metro to me was that the world ended, and humanity only barely survived. Anyway, sorry, I'm rambling.
@@pruttisman Well it could have been realistic to have some countries surviving and i would even say realy interisting. Take for example Switzerland, small country that is in no military pact and has no nukes. Both sides have money in their banks and would not want to possibly have their fortune destroyed, for both sides would propably use the nukes as a means to somehow win the war, or to basicaly damn their opponents if one was clossing to it´s end. And so why would you nuke it? The more interisting part is of course that any state with infrastructure and some form of military will be basicaly catapulted into becoming the sole superpower in it´s area, and with the thining of resources and basicaly no oposition, switzerland can either unite the survivors or conquer them. And it will basicaly have to because it will want to sustain itself. And that does not just include countries, basicaly anything with organised military force that somehow survives and does not shatter into bands of unorganised brigands or canibalise itself, will become a powerhouse in it´s teritory, be it some naval group, division, military base, and of course not every nuke will detonate. Which could lead to some realy bisare parodies of modern, and historical gowerments. Because no matter what, if humanity survives, it will try to get back where it was.
Some nation powers probably do exist in the typical sense.
Thats what they were told by the moscow "provisional government"...
In reality the whole world was dead...
How in the world the good ending is the bad one, and the bad one isn't the good one?
So in good ending you kill Tom, who trusted you, and an entire crew, just because the captain is paranoid because of another nuclear war in an already damned world, which tbh, it wouldn't make any sense to nuke an already nuked world, but in bad ending you will have all alive, and you will even go home.
Sure, Tom is a weapon's dealer and such, he can use threat to people he doesn't like, but also, Sam is around to stop him, and the crew still have people loyal to the Captain, so it would be some civil war right there if Tom is crossing a line.