Not really. In real life, America does have fallout shelters that were set up during the late 50s or early 60s by the Civil Defense. By and large, though, Citizens were encouraged to build their own fallout shelter so the government doesn't have to invest in it. But obviously, the government under Eisenhower would build the Whitespring Bunker and Raven Rock in the 50's in case of nuclear attack. I'm betting that in Metro's Universitie it was the same case. Which means Metro's America would be more lawless then Fallout's America.
I'm not sure if this is worth mentioning, but it's something you missed. During Exodus, while inside of the Kazakhstan satalite station, there was a recording talking about what they saw after the war. They could still see lights coming from American cities, so it seems to imply that at least shortly after the war, chunks of US infrastructure survived.
@@lostonearth7856 maybe because they see how bad Russia and China fared and just thought they have zero way to retaliate again. Or it's just a local people taking control and not thinking about possible retaliation.
@@joseavila5747idk about that, they are reports that they are still active surprising the russians. They still think that war is up since the interior of America is active even until exodus it still hinted that there are American cities up and running
@@generic_tough_guy.4830 that really depends on how many nukes were launched. No one, especially during 2013 had enough defences to stop hundreds or a thousand plus nukes.
Russia's late response might have been caused by the way its command structure works in the context of nuclear weapons, while the president can order a strike it is up to the individual generals to authorize the launch and then in some cases it even comes down to the individual missile crews. People might have been caught off guard by the US launching its arsenal and some might have thought it was a radar issue (which happened once back in the cold war) and that might have caused them to be reluctant to fire until the nukes got so close to Russia.
Everyone that's so pro Russia being the good guys here have to completely neglect any of Russias history. It's their incompetence. Not their moral stance. Cmon people.
According to the Stirke video, it appears that the Submarine off the middle eastern coast launches it's missile at a country on the western side of the Caspian sea. This indicates that the missile was most likely targeting Russia, meaning that this submarine was either American or a country allied to the Americans.
It starts by Iran launching a missile at Israel, Israel retaliates, the someone starts firing missiles at both Israel and Iran from the Indian Ocean. That could be MAD in effect as Israeli and Iranian subs carry out their respective “Samson Option” protocol, or someone else joining in. At that point it turns into a general exchange.
@@richardsimms279 And it's pretty scary that something like that can happen any day. If one nuke gonna be used then high chance somebody gonna answer with another one and beacuse almost everyone is supporting somebody then we will have nuclear war (mostly of course between NATO, Russia and China).
@@richardsimms279It would be Pakistan, they could be the ones who send the Nukes to the two nations. Either they launch it because of some recent dealings with Iran that are heard from the news.
@@warhammer8867 Consider: Chinese SSBN firing at a Caucasus country (Georgia or Azerbaijan), fallout spilling over into Georgia/Turkey which are NATO members, invoking Article 5 and a full-scale retaliation against China/Russia?
Years after Exodus, the Russian people finally build back enough to venture across the pacific ocean to make a trek to the remnants of Alaska. They expect a wasteland, much like their own, but are instead seemingly greeted by malicious automatons all under one banner, The Enclave
The enclave welcomed them they showed them they’re intentions these were the enclave members who were sent to Alaska the commanding officers there discovered Edens intentions and the FEV they betrayed the enclave and built the “United States of the enclave” the rangers discovered that people from Russia and Canada found Alaska and were recruited from the Alaskan enclave they were elite soldiers who were trained for freezing temperatures artyom and the rest brung some of the enclave members to the aurora to allow them to explore the Russian wastes… the Russian enclave expeditionary force returned with even more people… they spoke of horrid things like yamantou… and the dark city but they were happy to see people even if they were aggressive bandits… now polis and the Alaskan enclave were Allies and the alliance went to the oil rig where the war against edens enclave began… war war never changes
I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but the missiles seen launching from Moscow during last light probably aren't actually ICBM's, but part of the A135 ABM system designed to shoot down incoming ICBM's although even if so their launch seems to still have occurred quite late. Honestly Russia's seeming failure to get the bulk of its birds in the air during the final exchange always seemed a pretty odd part of the lore.
@@quintrapnell3605 the problem is even with dead man's switch does the systems factor some silos that is in state of repair or disrepair? Did it factor other launch areas got hit first and have the launch sequence neutralize or destroy?
At the 3:44 mark you can actually see the missile fired by that submarine in the Arabian Sea landing in Dagestan, meaning it struck Russia. That would presumably be what set of the End War, with America launching a full strike afterwards presumably because they assumed Russia would have done it first otherwise.
That is honestly a decent argument for the sub being a 3rd party actor who nuked part of Russia to force the US and Russia to make split second decisions to launch or risk a full arsenal exchange on both sides, and the US opted for there is no way Russia won't blame us, and took the initiative.
@@anvos658There's also the possibility of rogue actors and spies within the government of Russia and US launching the nukes and/or doing sabotage. Russia's failure to launch their nukes before the US might also due to ongoing diplomatic actions that were taken to stop full out nuclear war. I mean, Russia would have detected the US launch and plotted it's trajectory so the only question is why didn't they launch theirs in retaliation until US's nuke had crossed their airspace/literally detonated on their cities. So the sequence of events might be: 1) nukes we launched in the middle east 2) Both governments go into panic mode and start calling each other on what happen and what to do 3) Somehow, someone in US launches nukes to Russia which when detected, cause Russia to put their Army on standby until further confirmation 4) Panic in other world government 5) US communicated to Russia that the launch was a mistake and that they're trying to disarm/intercept the launched nukes (while probably under internal attack by rogue actors/spies) 6) Russia's government got paralyzed either due to sabotage, rogue actors or bio attack 7) By the time the nukes cross their airspace and assuming the chain of command in Russia has been restored, it's already too late so they launch their own nukes Not saying there's a hidden group operating behind the scene like Hydra but it's possible that in the chaos, the espionage assets of both countries were mobilised in an effort to gain further information on what really happened and along the way, cause an escalation in misunderstanding and sabotage action.
Remember that in desert radiostation in Metro Exodus, there were mentioned satelite pictures of USA of 2019 if I remember correctly. It was said, that some cities still have light at night. So some cities survived, and still had a lot of electricity. Perhaps it was some small nuclear reactors that survived, like in legend of Polarne Zorie. I think it's safe to assume that this cities maintained goverment at least for some time: without central goverment they wouldn't light up city at night.
@@darioestebaneliztrado4641 Wait, I read all 3 books like 5-6 times and played all 3 games 3-4 times, never heard about murican subway. This information is from some fan-novel right?
thing about the US is it's habitable coast to coast very easily. The entire north american continent for the most part except for the extreme north is very temperate. so if you lived away from the big big cities, and not near the nuclear missile fields in montana and the dakotas... the chances of surviving isn't that bad.
@@averagetachyonlanceenjoyer1129 there are more books than the main three but they are all in russian and not really important for the main line story
@@trainknut yeah, the whole plot of the new Sam's game will be about him being astonished by the view of a flag with a two-headed bear at the center of San-Fran
I've Always Liked the idea that America in the Metro Universe has had its Government and Military survive along with Several Major Cities and major chunks of land surrounding them but with Significant areas lost to lawlessness and outright nuclear annihilation. The Cities and other major bastions of civilization are dirty looking like in Children of Men or perhaps Gears of War, are heavily fortified and either feature heavily militarized police or outright martial law in order to fend of major swarms of Mutant Creatures or Lawless Marauders in addition to maintaining Law and Order. Significant chunks of territory in areas like the American Sowthwest and in or around destroyed cities are either outright lawless, have frontier like presence or are quarantined behind heavy military fortifications. Gangs of Marauders exist in many locations neccecitating people being heavily armed to have a semblance of safety outside of "Green Zones" and Mexico is Overrun by Bandit empires that are the descendants of the Cartels that occasionally attempt raids or full-blown conquest northwards.
I like it, they can also recreate the battle of Alamo with surviving American militia and remnants of police and national guard fought against the onslaught of the bloodthirsty Mexican empire. That will also be in theme with the metro theme of recreating history.
+@@sunshineskystar+ That could be like the Final Battle of the game that take place after a long quest down the coast and climaxes with the 8th Air Force unleashing a relentless bombing run and the reconstituted 1st Armored Divison encircles and annihilates the enemy.
I think that's actually fairly plausible, the one bit I would add is the potential of 3rd party groups (state governments, rogue military assets, religions groups) taking over and forming legitimate nation-states or warlord-states in some areas of the country. For example, the LDS church forming a new nation in Utah and the western Rockies, the State of Texas surviving mostly intact and doing ok, or a few divisions of the US army setting up a new military clique in Kentucky or something. Just a thought though, but I do like your ideas a lot.
Plot twist: Samuel Taylor is Courier 6. Hence why he is so skilled when you play New Vegas. Couldn’t remember his time with the rangers due to him getting shot in the head.
This is a similar outcome to the rough idea I've read about for our response to the Cuban missile crisis if it went hot. Our first targets would have been the ICBMs and leadership.
Yes, but even then planners assumed the USSR counterstrike would also do untold damage in return, and likely they would see the nukes coming due to satellites and observations, and begin firing their own back.
Every nuclear scenario with first strike in mind by the power who does first strike is optimistic at best because they have the hope that the enemy gets destroyed before counter strike
@@voxpopuli7910 Exactly. the problem with the first strike idea is that, well your first strike still needs time to reach your enemy, in which time they will likely have detected your incoming barrage and well fire their own back as one last act of defiance.
@@RomanHistoryFan476ADEven if it does, Nuclear submarines are able to operate for years unaided. I know both sides map each others submarine positions, but strategists and captains probably have plans to slip through cracks and counteract this. They could still come out after even if dead hand systems like Perimeter don't activate.
@@mspaintbesteditor9417 Exactly, the Nuclear Subs will last at least long enough to get their missiles off for a retaliation strike. What angers me is when people keep talking about first striking will win the war before the USSR or Russia could react back. This often now popping up very often due to the recent politics around Ukraine. To be honest with you this type of talk scares me, because it means some people don't want a nuclear or don't see the true danger in one beginning. They seem to be under some very fatal illusions like: Somehow shooting down all the Missiles, or magically all of Russia's will not work or fire. Or worse of all A US/NATO first strike will somehow eliminate the Russian threat of nukes before launch, be it this first strike be either aircraft and missile attacks or a nuclear strike. I think too many people are not aware of how Nuclear war would actually happen. We have some people who literally say the USA should just bomb or fire missiles at Russian nuclear assets to prevent them firing nukes, during the Ukraine war. None of these people understand that if you fire on a Nation's nuclear assets they will interpret that as a prelude attack on their nuclear capabilities , just before your main nuclear attack.
During the cold war there was an incident during Able Archer '83 I believe, where NATO held exercises close to the East German border including nuclear drills, that a Soviet missile detection installation detected what appeared to be several launches fitting the profile of ICBM's heading towards the USSR. Fortunately the officer in charge of the station had a cool enough of a head to not kick it up any further and addressed the problem after the incident to improve the warning system because thankfully in this case it wasn't nukes, it was something stupid like glint from high altitude weather balloons. I'm thinking this was maybe the case with Russia. Why would Russia just begin outright nuking the US? Why would the US out of seemingly nowhere nuke Russia? I think these were the thoughts of the missile men and why they waited until the last second to launch the nukes
There were many situations like that during cold war, other time station detected rockets flying from east of Soviet Union and workers of station were thinking that USA decided to start war and nuke Soviet Union, luckily worker of station decided that it was false alarm and he was right but if he decided to call Moscow and inform about "attack" then Soviet Union would probably nuke both USA and western Europe starting war.
Maybe they didn't want to doom millions of people and refused orders to launch, at least some of the people running the silos. There's probably multiple factors though.
Able Archer was a different incident than the false launch indication. The former was in Soviet times…Andropov and his minions got the idea the exercise was a cover for a real attack, and refused to believe their spies who told them it was nonsense. Reagan was on a State visit to South Korea at the time, there is no way he’d be that far from CONUS if a first strike was even being contemplated. The false alarm was post Soviet, when Yeltsin was President. The Norwegians launched a science experiment and the Russians mistook it for a missile, even though they were notified the launch was taking place well before.
I do suspect that that the U.S goverment that existed pre-war probably survived in some form and their might even be some level of civilization existing. Cheyenne mountain/Colorado springs would probably become the defatco capital and central U.S around the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains are rather untouched expect for areas directly hit by nukes like silos or air bases bases. While the ocean facing coasts are probably the frontier-like badlands straight out of a western film as implied in the graphic novel. Although gangs of mutants, raiders and warlords are a major problem. It could be the next setting for a Red Dead Redemption like game.
I do wonder what would happen to Arizona in this AU, we might've returned to a more medieval state using the canals for food, could be similar to how Egypt was for most of history, and I'd think We'd survive the mutants, maybe using gila monsters as a wall against em.
Well, considering how big of a target Utah is in terms of nuclear war, I don't think the Rockies would be spared any less than other areas in the country
@@derpcade as someone who's visted Utah 4 times and seen the natural beauty and man made horrors beyond my comprehension of the state i am pretty Shure the only thing in the SLC area that would survive is the Mormon high command with their little LDS Bunker that my partner use to work at. and the thought of Mormons surviving nuclear Armageddon makes me fear for the local mutants. other then that the Uintah's and anything East of the SLC Valley like Herber/Park city would probbly be realitively okay from blasts, southern places of the valley like Eurika,Nephi and Mona would probbly survive (Eurika would operate as usual for the next 20 years lmao) larger settlements like St.George, Ceader City, Vernal and Moab might be hit simply because of military/military proximity installations the rest of the state will pretty much just become what Fallout NV looks like but in the style of Metro, small settlements scattered here and there
>2 middle eastern countries begin the nuclear war >metros pre-war universe is supposed to mirror ours >theoretically, the US and Israel would be allies >Metro's US strikes first directly after Israel gets hit What did Gluvkhovsky mean by this?
It is implied that the US fired first, and much of Russia was destroyed before they could return fire (at least in the games). So, my assumption is the US wasn't his as badly. I would assume the coasts got it a LOT worse than the Midwest, so there's probably a great deal of survivors across the central and southern USA.
Definitely with a US using the first strike option. If Soviet middle defenses aren’t put up in time or some of them unfortunately don’t work it, then it would explain why the Soviet Unions retaliation was far less grand considering the US doctrine targets strategic assets predominantly other known nuclear silos and places of government power. Thus giving the US ample time to prepare ICBM countermeasures to do deal with any remaining nuclear response. But some would eventually get through and hit major population centers such as the east and west coasts
The coasts would get hit, but actually the Midwest is the primary target, most nukes are targeting other nukes, so all the ICBM fields in the Midwest are the primary target.
@@kingtigertheheavy2708 yes, there are fallout maps from the cold war, that show the most fallout in the Midwest. I know fallout isn't quite as bad as the movies but the entire area would be utterly deadly for a out two weeks.
That triangle at 8:03 is probably a highly irradiated wastleland because it is a primary target due to the Pantex plant (which is the only nuclear weapons assembly and disassembly plant in the entire United States) being located in the center of that triangle in the city of Amarillo.
For me, as an American from Alaska, it's interesting that only two locations got hit in my home state. Those areas don't really have any strategic assets like nukes sitting about in silos, though it would make sense given their proximity to Siberia and the like. But the only places of note in those western regions of the state are Nome and Bethel with native villages dotted about nearby. Most of the population, resources, industry, infrastructure, food production, processing, is in the south central areas and the interior. Almost none of those locations are touched at all. The pipeline is still intact, as is more or less all of the power generation systems, and the means to distribute it. All of the food industries, such as the farm land near Delta Junction, as well as all over the state, are still intact. The fishing industry, which is the biggest in the world, is also intact, as is the processing plants needed to cut, clean, can, and distribute them. Our mining industry can make up for the loss from the continental US in all but certain rare earth metals. Lumber and the like, we got more than we need. Plus we still have 90+% of the population. So Alaska is fairly well off despite everything. Mutants would likely be the only real issue I see for my home state.
As an Alaskan can confirm the locations aren't really strategic, if we were to be nuked it would've been JBER/Anchorage itself and Eilson. Other than that it could be the ground based interceptors but I'm not sure as to where they are located. I've only lived in Anchorage after all.
during the Cold War the only major targets up here were the DEW line C&C, Anchorage, Fairbanks, and a few low KT yield tacticals aimed at airbases and such north of the Brooks Range. But considering the people making the game likely know little about Alaska or our population dispersion (hell, had three tourists over the past week ask if they could call the US from here, thinking Alaska was a foreign country) it's not surprising that they would have the targets in weird places
Russia/USSR gets nuked by America Basically, similar to the premise of Wasteland which iirc, the nuclear war in Wasteland was caused by America misidentifying a Meteor for an ICBM and in a panic launched their nukes at the USSR. However, I havent played any of these games for a while so I could be completely wrong. However, it seems to me that America in Metro is just America in Wasteland. The only difference between the universes are: Russia/USSR is instead just the modern day Russian Federation iirc and the nuclear holocaust was started similarly to how the nukes were dropped in Mad Max, with the main cause being another war over oil in the middle east.
I think, if we go with the trailer video showing the launches the war could have been started by a incorrect identification. The tech at the time was pretty prone to malfunctioning and with the added stress of a couple nukes in the air I think the US might have thought the Arabian Sea launch was by a Soviet ship/silo of some kind, immediately trigger a US response but catching the Russians on the back foot.
And this was a common occurrence especially during the Cold War a lot of satellites would malfunction indicating nukes had been launches but in reality it was just an error
I hope not. Metro setting is unique due to its post-soviet vibes that aren't represent much in western media. Tooking it out by moving setting into post-apocalyptic America sounds just really generic
@@Ocelot835 yea im still waiting if ever artyom and his mates will go back to Moscow and tell them the truth but what happens after that if they plan to make another story, as from the video shown apparently the US surface is safe for the most part and there are pockets of civilization but it would ruin the name metro I guess
@@nemo3029 I think best approach would be to discover what's going on in other post-soviet republics, especially those that had metro systems. Maybe make new protagonist in Kiyv or Minsk metro (both places actually have been explored in extended universe books although their canonicity are disputed), show how people live there and so on.
I recently played each game, back to back to back, for the first time, and I was just blown away by how perfectly each story is connected to the others. Fantastic story writing!
To be honest, with the video illustration of how the nuclear war in metro played out, I am surprised that population centers in Asia and South America are not touched at all. I doubt that governments in those places would collapse at all with such a tiny scale of nuclear fallout.
while the nations of the world not hit by nuclear strikes would survive they would be facing starvation/ strife & possible societal collapse. most countries cant sustain their population without trade which in the metro universe is effectively gone.
Not really. Many of those countries (like India) which are major powers are quite self-reliant as far as food supplies and concerned and are in fact net exporters of several essential crops.
Even countries that weren’t hit by nukes would still be heavy effected in some capacity- The global economy is effectively annihilated, political & social unrest would ensue from the crisis, and the international order & geopolitics are irreparably changed.
As others mentioned many would economically collapse due to the global trade system falling apart. Irl if the US, China, or India were to collapse MANY nations would indirectly collapse with them.
Those countries would have to deal with the fallout, and if they managed to survive through that, they'll essentially be the new "superpowers" of the new era. My guess is that they're refraining from any contact with those that launched the nukes, likely because the sheer bad blood caused by the nuclear war.
Couldn't it be possible the American Executive power have evacuated into the National Airborne Operations Centers, and have the Doomsday Plane fly over the North Atlantic until proper new centre of power could be established? It could also could be that the Executive Branch have relocated onto a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier as the first missiles were being fired, being evacuated on Airforce One into a more remote location before doing so as Nimitz-class aircraft carrier were built to last as long as some sort of infrastructure existed. I mean it's really hard to think that a Nuclear War would have completely wiped out the Governments of the Soviet Union or America as if any part of the world was seeing nuclear escalation threats, there would be some expectation of some sort of contingency plan for the continuation of the state in some form or another.
That's what I was thinking. Since the U.S. was already planning on a first strike, it would make sense that the Executive powers would already be at what would be deemed as a safe location for the inevitable retaliation strikes.
@@richardarriaga6271 You really dont need to be in the air for too long to survive a nuclear blast and locate a emergency centre of power as the military reorganize.
4:57 “Its quite hard to see if this area has been hit with nuclear weapons or not” Well seeing as it’s California it is hard to tell if that’s normal or apocalyptic damage.
8:03, just wanted to say that I don't think the triangle is mainly in Colorado and Kansas, looking at it, it looks to me more like New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas. With the bottom left point at Albuquerque NM, the bottom right at Dallas TX, and the top somewhere in northern Oklahoma, I can't tell which city it is, but looking at google maps, I think that it could be Ponca City.
@@TheOmegaInitiativeI hope my comment didn't come across as negative or insulting, just wanted to add to the discussion. I really enjoy your videos and love the dedication and hardwork you put into them. I loved all ideas, speculation, theories, and the summaries you had in the video. I do think that the Cheyenne complex could definitely be used as some sort of post-war bunker for what remains of the USA's government and senior members of the military. Overall, great videos and I am excited to see what videos you have in store for us in the future!
@@TheOmegaInitiative Even stretched out the state lines are clearly drawn and the line barely if even touches Kansas. Omitting basic geography there is an app on your phone that could have cleared this up in 2 seconds but as @vonkasper7130 stated I guess it wouldn't have lined up with your Cheyenne theory. That sarcastic ok was not needed from a guy who cant be bothered to look at map.
Like in the metro,their version of the United States taking inspiration from the frontier/wild west they most likely have US marshals or Texas/Arizona Rangers bring law and civilized order in the new frontier
This video makes you wish for a Nuclear Winter, but other than the memes aside this is an interesting topic to talk about American Nation survival, though considering that the United States is considering more richer and powerful than Russia chances are that more people could have survived the End War, and maybe they had enough technologically advanced machines they could created massive safe locations for the citizens of the U.S.
That last one is not very likely, such a strike would cripple the USA still, and in peace time the government is incompetent at rescue. Imagine post nuclear war.
No um money wont save you from radiation unless you are the rich class that can afford bunkers and endless food lol. Citizens are almost secondary completely they would have had the same reaction as the russians did trying to rush to safety and if we are talking about russian ICBM'S they carry like minitature warheads if you going from reality thats a lot of nukes for one icbm to launch in 1 volley since its 50 peices or so, very hard to shoot down even with patriots. But it is game lore so the government could have survived but many civillain infrastructures must be destroyed as you seen with that golden state bridge which is part of larges cities so many cities had to be targeted. Realisticly not even talking about the nuclear winter and the lack of many grains that can't be growned outside now. So alot becomes more like russia in metro with different factions, perhaps even cartel being around now more or so would not be suprising. However its strange in metro that china does nothing I guess we need more information.
Considering most the U.S east of the train line would be bombed into wastelands and the west coast mainly taking hits on the coastline itself, it would make sense that Cheyenne would become the new heart of what remains.
I think they're going to be exploring that soon, the Sam's Story dlc from Exodus leads me to think America would be in decent shape, at least in comparison to Russia. I'm sure some of the large cities are screwed and a lot of the Midwest would be a wasteland and turn back into a dead seabed, but we have a lot of nooks and crannies around the country where people would survive. I would like to see an irradiated grizzly face off against a mutant moose though. Assuming we travel east from Russia it's likely Alaska would be a key area in something like that. But I think something is lost every time the wall of knowledge moves back in the Metro series. Is this the kind of nuclear apocalypse where everyone, everywhere got hit equally? Were the nukes and WMDs mainly targeted at military bases, population centers, ports? Could Russia and America combined really cripple the whole world like that? Where's China? What happened to Europe? Did Africa get clapped too? These questions stay unanswered not only because the characters don't have the means to know, but also because it raises some bigger problems. Like, enough nukes to put most if not all of the countries on earth back to the level of civilization that we see in the games and books would be enough for complete biosphere collapse.
The Midwest being a wasteland makes zero sense. Both the east and west coast of the US are the prime targets for a nuclear strike. The original 13 colonies and California would be wiped off the map. Everything else is just a waste of a missile as the vast majority of the country is sparsely inhabited.
Whoever created that map doesn’t have a clue about the world’s strategic forces. US ICBMs are going to come from ND and that area, or from sea. The rest were on bombers.
It more appears that sub caused things to escalate to a brinksmanship, and it hitting Russia pushed the US over the edge to preemptive strike, assuming MAD would go into effect, so they might as well strike first to save as much of the USA as possible.
Likely for some reason DFW (Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex) may have survived or even served as a new capital for america, i only say this because of the comment by @Sadlego mentioning lights coming from american cites alongside the map you had from the Outpost. DFW is one of the locations it seems to end on alongside some other cities, maybe the reason they aren't connected by rail on the map is because its following the AMTRAK national track which goes south but not towards DFW in a straight path.
@@areyouserious866I doubt it's either one. If it's Abilene than cities such as Odessa, Lubbock, Midland, San Angelo ect would've survived and even them that's questionable.
Historically speaking, there's been a few incidents where computer glitches and radar error led soviet officers to believe there was an incoming US attack. This could leave a very wide potential that silo operators had become complacent until the very last moment
Would like to point out something in regards to your yamahtua vs raven rock comparison. Raven Rock is called Raven Rock and not "Mount Raven" because it's a solid piece of Greenstone granite. Which adds tons more survivability than a couple thousand meters of dirt.
I like how a random island in the southern atlantic got hit in the nuke simulation map thing in 2:55 like wtf was that supposed to hit? A couple of birds and maybe like 3 guys?
I like to imagine it’s just fallout, but obviously so early that no one would be out and about aside from small groups of people, Sam even makes a fallout reference about liberty prime in exodus, but like I said it’s just a nod to fallout
The fact that not much is known and there is a lot of space for interpretation is one of the things that make film/videogames set in a post apocalyptic world awesome
One thing i like to think about in metro is that the southern hemisphere survived and lives a some what normal life to before the war while western hemisphere is devastated and full of people eating each other and long away away from ever getting back to pre war life. Given how metro has often lots of symbolism and allegory's in it, it just feels like something that could be possible in universe as part of that given how USA, Europe, China, USSR and latter Russia always have their hands in south American and Africa the idea of them destroying them selves and the south prospering as a result while leaving the the northern hemisphere to eat each other in chaos would feel somewhat poetic.
Except they didn't, the southern hemisphere already lived in poverty long before the war. The destruction of the world's economy means their economy and civilization are severely affected. All of them depend on the First world for technology and food, they will go back to the stone age even if they aren't nuked. Even just during corona a lot of third world countries suffer from starvation and crisis after the first world stops their donation.
Almost all of the south hemisphere would be caos, with the best chance of surviving would be Brazil, chile, Argentina and Uruguay wich they would pass from being democratic countries to being forced by the situation into military dictatorships
That Nebraska line to the ocean thing is interesting. In the area of the state the dot was at is a bunch of nuclear missile silos. SAC and Stratcom both have heavy presence in the state, as well.
I read somewhere, that Glukhovski leaved hints of the existense of other countrys as vague as possible, to leave space for other authors woldwide who want to continue and write storys in the same universe about their own countries. There are allready books from Italy, Poland, France and the U.K. So any sci fi writers, from the U.S. who like to join... It's your opportunity to expand the Lore. I will continue to read any Metro book i come across. 🙂
One aspect of the USSR that only came to light after the Iron Curtain fell was how poor the readiness of Silo-based ICBMs were in the USSR. Their medium range missiles on subs or launchers were deadly, but the huge ones meant to strike the USA itself were known to be... troublesome to get working. I could totally believe that the reason we see the ICBMs launching from Moscow seconds before the incoming bombs hit was because they were not capable of being fired at a moment's notice. Just as likely most never got ready before getting destroyed, sparing the USA from a full nuclear response. Edit: That also would explain why tank commanders in city could have known Nuclear missiles were inbound and were evacuating before their own could be launched. You can imagine a panicking missile crew having to scramble to get their missiles to launch before it is too late.
the missiles you see in Moscow are not ICBMs, they are Anti ballistic Missiles, they are meant to intercept incoming nukes and prevent them from detonating by destroying them in flight
Uh no? The ICBMs and overall all the Russian nuclear trifecta. It has to go through a bunch of check ups from the military chain of command. Which are only required if it’s a first strike, not a retaliation strike, like it is shown in the Metro Novels.
From what the promo video shows, the following US cities and places got hit: 1. New York City 2. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; possibly Fort Dix, New Jersey 3. Washington, D.C., with the additional targets of Baltimore, Maryland, and Newport News, Virginia 4. Charleston, South Carolina 5. Atlanta, Georgia 6. Miami, Florida, or possibly Patrick Air Force Base, Florida 7. San Diego, California 8. Pearl Harbor, Hawaii 9. Seattle, Washington For the graphic novel, here is what I can discern: First, the line from the ocean to the middle of Nebraska. This indicates a naval presence in contact with Offutt Field, what was the old Strategic Air Command (SAC) during the Cold War. Incidentally, there was the prediction that if nukes were launched by the USSR, Offutt Field would be hit by at least 3 100-kiloton bombs. Next, the triangle. This would seem to be more of a zone of control or avoidance area, possibly controlled by remnants of the US government located in Denver, Colorado; Fort Collins, Colorado; and Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado. If Cheyenne Mountain survived, that's where NORAD would be. Arizona: Actually not Arizona, but rather an airbase in Arizona. My guess? Edwards AFB, located in Arizona and New Mexico. California: May be an indication of San Francisco surviving, and basically being the only outpost between LA and the ruins of Seattle, along the I-5 Corridor.
Edwards is in Cali, So probably Luke AFB/ Holloman AFB in either state. It could also be the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Los Alamos is actually a point on the Triangle too.
The triangle is very obviously not in Colorado, nor anywhere near Cayenne Mountain. The triangle approximately covers from Santa Fe to Dallas to the border of Oklahoma and Kansas.
would the survivors from cayenne mountain be able to set up operations in that area ? something along the lines of CoG / military personnel organizing civil defense and other survivor's into an emergency government soon after the bombs fell?
I live in California, and id comfortably say we would become a massive crater, I live a stone throw for major military bases, industrial centers, ports, airports, and other not just strategic areas, but logistical important spaces. and this is just by el Segundo or Hawthorne, the ports of Los Angeles in san Pedro is the largest port in the country. Besides a few mountains east to us, its mostly flat land so we have hardly any environmental protection from a single nuke in one area, let alone a dozen. Id also argue there would also be little left of san Francisco but I don't live there and know as much as I do here.
Hey @TheOmegaInitiative I have a suggestion for a future video for a fallout one (sorry to get off topic, I get really hyped whenever I see your content I’m a big fan honestly) You should do a video of what you believe the world would be like, a story, of the world (North America specifically the USA) 500 years after 2287 or 1000 years after the Great War
This is a fun video to hypothesize. From what I understand about the difference between US and Russian nuclear command structure, in the US, once the President gives the order to fire, it's pretty much a done deal, in Russia, there are Generals that are given the order from the Kremlin, so there's probably a degree of hesitancy and/or order confirmation that takes time in the Russian system. Another thing to note is that this looks like a limited exchange, none of the Dakota silos fired off their missiles. Also, in the US if we fire off the nukes, as much of the government is evacuated to a secure site (probably Cheyenne Mountain), given the lateness of the Russian response, I would say there's a fair chance that most, if not all, of the government was evacuated from DC, while the Russians were caught with their pants down. Again going off the nuke map, the entirety of the east coast and southern California coast, along with Seattle, are wiped off the map. Though San Francisco (from what we see in the DLC) is still intact enough. For the time being this would isolate the US from trade, but after the dust settles it would appear that many of the major cities in the midwest and Texas remain untouched. Given enough time, the US would rebuild much of it's infrastructure and survive. It's unclear as to whether martial law would be declared in these cities, but I would say that the middle east got the worst of it and America would come out the "winner' if you could call it winning.
The best I can tell from left to right with the dots on the map at 8:14 are around South Lake Utah, Phoenix AZ, (the Triangle has) Santa Fe NM, Fort Worth TX, and maybe around the Boiling Springs State Park in OK, the upper one is around Big Springs NE, and the last one is off the Coast of NC right next to Camp Lejeune. Makes senses given all of them are close to water, mountains, or a Military base.
In the metro 2033 book there is a chapter where an radio operator is talking to Artem(main character). There they say that some nuclear submarines and even an tank outpost survived outside(not for long). The book says that the tank camp could survive becouse the soldiers manning the tank got lucky and got an new radiation protected vehicle, witch they take on a long jurney out of population centers, where the book says that radiation is low enough to allow people to survive. This means that some parts of canada are probably still populated.
It seems to track in my head cannon that it would start in the middle east. I have two ways of thinking about the metro lore (I didn't get very far in the audio books but I've loved the games) that metro is just the Russian side of fallout, or that metro goes pretty similar to our own reality that only differs when the bombs drop in 2013. Having it start in the middle east would surely have the Americans fire first cuz there was still significant us presence in the region. In the ensuing chaos they hit the button. Even with minimal nuclear strikes, it wouldn't take much to have the US devolve along party lines.
It's also mentioned in one of the DLCs for Metro 2035 that Sam a main side character who traveled with Artyom throughout the series was from America. He was originally part of an undercover US military spec-ops unit that was operating inside of Russia right before the war started. So America definitely had plans to strike first, and do as much nuclear and conventional damage as possible to their rivals before they could properly strike back.
This is quite timely for me. I finished 2033 a few days ago and started playing last light. I've ordered a translated copy of the first book too so I'll read that once it arrives.
So what your saying is we could have armored us trains and martial law in the us a rping game set there would be so cool maybe you could be a bandit or a tribal or a soldier
Texas is probably a major regional power, having been basically untouched by nukes and already having lots of industry and the world's 9th largest economy, along with a pre-existing state military infrastructure and a (albeit in need of maintenance) independent power grid
The offshore strike does bring up questions maybe the U.S. was given bad intel about who launched it and that's why they did a first strike that caught Russia off guard.
Technically, the first strike wouldve been the biological weapons they deployed to kill off Russian leadership. They did this so that, as a first strike, the Russian Federation would be too slow to gather its forces and retaliate with nuclear weapons. While the Russians were scrambling to launch their nukes, the U.S. had already launched while the Russians were too slow to retaliate, leading to many of their missile silos being blown to hell and only so many nukes being launched. So there are two ways to strike, a countervalue strike or a counterforce strike. It seems in the Metro Universe, America chose catastrophe rather than tactical. Meaning, they chose to kill millions of civilians -- which would be vilified upon -- rather than tactically striking all of Russia's silos. Countervalue is the act of basically genociding civilians with any weapon whether its nuclear, biological or chemical. Counterforce is strictly attacking only military targets.
Exodus needed to have some remnant US forces that set up in their bases and could’ve had a twist where the war is still going on or that the rest of the world is fine, like the scene where they discovered that long range transmissions still come in could’ve had more to it.
Its crazy to think that if the U.S. launched the first birds that Russia would certainly be caught by surprise and any retalation against the U.S. would be at best reduced and at worst it would destroy much of the coasts as it did. Honestly it also reflects our doctrine being that if we were to commit MAD it would only occur after the fact that russia or some other power kicked everything off first, and thus the common sense approach we apply irl where the outcome is already known.
Not only would the user have to be on at the same time, they would have to be on the same frequency, AND be able to be able to transmit the distance to Moscow. It really more says that there was a lot more survivors than most think if the one specific frequency, at that specific time, that are capable of transmitting that distance, and any other number of factors, are being seen.
Plattsburg is in New York for those who missed it. That was upstate New York(New York City is WAAAy South) Yes i have to specficy this. Especially for non-New York and non-Canadian viewers because literally nobody knows about the shape and geography of New York.
8:05 isn't mainly Colorado and Kansas in triangle. Northern side point: Northern Oklahoma border/Southern Kansas Border West side point: Northern New Mexico border/Southern Colorado border Southern side point: Texas (a bit west of Dallas)
I don’t know if it’s just me but it sure looked like that first opening salvo that you showed was a few Middle Eastern countries hitting Israel Israel. Israel Being basically an ally of the US then it would make sense for a submarine in the Persian Gulf to attempt to wipe out those nuclear launch vessels from said Middle Eastern countries
13:06 that triangle doesn’t come close to where Cheyenne Mountain is. Colorado is further north than the triangle is, which encompasses Oklahoma, New Mexico and Texas
So... what I got was: Iran and Israel started exchanging nukes, an American ballistic missile submarine gets involved to help Israel but one of its missiles accidentally overshoots its target and hits Soviet territory. The American government then panics about the potential Soviet response and pulls the trigger in order to prevent the (to them) inevitable retaliation from causing too much damage.
"I think the thing that gives it away is the lack of traffic on the roads." Or, you know, the completely blown-to-pieces Golden Gate Bridge that's overgrown with weeds and plants. That could be another thing.
If this hasn't been pointed out, it seems like the exchange in the middle east was between Iran and Israel, in which case, both have the backing of Russia and the United States respectively; thus it's fairly plausible for a nuclear exchange in the middle east to have a runaway effect. Something similar is touched upon in the TV movies "Countdown to Looking Glass" and "Threads".
2:04 they would also most likely need to have line of sight relays (barring atmospheric conditions that could extend range). So there are either some functional satellite relays, or a solid number of radio towers worldwide sill operational
They probably built massive underground shelters of some kind. Vaults is what they're called, I think.
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ooooh, maybe they're out somewhere on an oil rig far from the coast ?
Not really. In real life, America does have fallout shelters that were set up during the late 50s or early 60s by the Civil Defense.
By and large, though, Citizens were encouraged to build their own fallout shelter so the government doesn't have to invest in it.
But obviously, the government under Eisenhower would build the Whitespring Bunker and Raven Rock in the 50's in case of nuclear attack.
I'm betting that in Metro's Universitie it was the same case. Which means Metro's America would be more lawless then Fallout's America.
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@@someguy9293 i think he was messing around
I'm not sure if this is worth mentioning, but it's something you missed. During Exodus, while inside of the Kazakhstan satalite station, there was a recording talking about what they saw after the war. They could still see lights coming from American cities, so it seems to imply that at least shortly after the war, chunks of US infrastructure survived.
I presume the interior. Wouldn't be shocked if American governmental command moved to somewhere like Wichita or Cheyenne.
Yeah they were targeted on the follow up strikes, they destroyed and then destroyed what was left
If they were to have survived, it's weird they wouldn't set up nightly blackouts or lower the amount of usage of power during nights.
@@lostonearth7856 maybe because they see how bad Russia and China fared and just thought they have zero way to retaliate again. Or it's just a local people taking control and not thinking about possible retaliation.
@@joseavila5747idk about that, they are reports that they are still active surprising the russians.
They still think that war is up since the interior of America is active even until exodus it still hinted that there are American cities up and running
Meanwhile, in New Zealand, they're just wondering why all the streaming sites suddenly stopped...
they do be living the life man
One could argue that they might be saying things like "WTF mate?"
Same with Australia, us ANZACS are going to conqueror the post nuclear world. Lol.
@@Jarms48 post nuclear aussie crusades across the oceans
Don't forget the teams in Antarctica
In the Metro books, US territory almost completely survived. They talked about it in the last book, 2035.
Wait so russia got screwed and China, but America was fine? Wtf
Saw it too, I assumed that's the reason why Russian high command in Moscow is scared since most of US is still active fearing follow up strikes
That was a lie propagated by The Unseen Observers to maintain control over the Metro.
Regardless with America's defences the worst that'll happen is the coastlines being hit by maybe a few rockets
@@generic_tough_guy.4830 that really depends on how many nukes were launched. No one, especially during 2013 had enough defences to stop hundreds or a thousand plus nukes.
Russia's late response might have been caused by the way its command structure works in the context of nuclear weapons, while the president can order a strike it is up to the individual generals to authorize the launch and then in some cases it even comes down to the individual missile crews. People might have been caught off guard by the US launching its arsenal and some might have thought it was a radar issue (which happened once back in the cold war) and that might have caused them to be reluctant to fire until the nukes got so close to Russia.
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That might’ve been why it was so late that is a good reason
Yeah, the Russian operators would be extremely reluctant to srike untill they'd see american rockets hitting their own targets in Russia.
Dead hand system
Everyone that's so pro Russia being the good guys here have to completely neglect any of Russias history. It's their incompetence. Not their moral stance. Cmon people.
According to the Stirke video, it appears that the Submarine off the middle eastern coast launches it's missile at a country on the western side of the Caspian sea. This indicates that the missile was most likely targeting Russia, meaning that this submarine was either American or a country allied to the Americans.
It starts by Iran launching a missile at Israel, Israel retaliates, the someone starts firing missiles at both Israel and Iran from the Indian Ocean. That could be MAD in effect as Israeli and Iranian subs carry out their respective “Samson Option” protocol, or someone else joining in. At that point it turns into a general exchange.
@@richardsimms279 And it's pretty scary that something like that can happen any day. If one nuke gonna be used then high chance somebody gonna answer with another one and beacuse almost everyone is supporting somebody then we will have nuclear war (mostly of course between NATO, Russia and China).
@@richardsimms279It would be Pakistan, they could be the ones who send the Nukes to the two nations. Either they launch it because of some recent dealings with Iran that are heard from the news.
@@warhammer8867 Consider: Chinese SSBN firing at a Caucasus country (Georgia or Azerbaijan), fallout spilling over into Georgia/Turkey which are NATO members, invoking Article 5 and a full-scale retaliation against China/Russia?
@@warhammer8867 Wouldn't Pakistan nuke India first?
Years after Exodus, the Russian people finally build back enough to venture across the pacific ocean to make a trek to the remnants of Alaska. They expect a wasteland, much like their own, but are instead seemingly greeted by malicious automatons all under one banner, The Enclave
Oh dear
@@concept5631 That would be one hell of a plot twist.
@@silentecho92able It would indeed
The enclave welcomed them they showed them they’re intentions these were the enclave members who were sent to Alaska the commanding officers there discovered Edens intentions and the FEV they betrayed the enclave and built the “United States of the enclave” the rangers discovered that people from Russia and Canada found Alaska and were recruited from the Alaskan enclave they were elite soldiers who were trained for freezing temperatures artyom and the rest brung some of the enclave members to the aurora to allow them to explore the Russian wastes… the Russian enclave expeditionary force returned with even more people… they spoke of horrid things like yamantou… and the dark city but they were happy to see people even if they were aggressive bandits… now polis and the Alaskan enclave were Allies and the alliance went to the oil rig where the war against edens enclave began… war war never changes
I heard that this enclave doesnt like commies.
I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but the missiles seen launching from Moscow during last light probably aren't actually ICBM's, but part of the A135 ABM system designed to shoot down incoming ICBM's although even if so their launch seems to still have occurred quite late. Honestly Russia's seeming failure to get the bulk of its birds in the air during the final exchange always seemed a pretty odd part of the lore.
I mean, it seems like a Moskva-level incident. If you need the strategic rocket forces as a Russian, we are all doomed anyway.
they reckon most nukes in the use arsenal (about 50%) are in disrepair. Can't imagine Russia's in 2013 would have been better.
@@rear9259even 50% is enough to wipe earth off several times.
Don’t forget Russia has the deadman switch. It’s completely reasonable for Russia to launch missiles after being struck.
@@quintrapnell3605 the problem is even with dead man's switch does the systems factor some silos that is in state of repair or disrepair? Did it factor other launch areas got hit first and have the launch sequence neutralize or destroy?
At the 3:44 mark you can actually see the missile fired by that submarine in the Arabian Sea landing in Dagestan, meaning it struck Russia. That would presumably be what set of the End War, with America launching a full strike afterwards presumably because they assumed Russia would have done it first otherwise.
That is honestly a decent argument for the sub being a 3rd party actor who nuked part of Russia to force the US and Russia to make split second decisions to launch or risk a full arsenal exchange on both sides, and the US opted for there is no way Russia won't blame us, and took the initiative.
@@anvos658There's also the possibility of rogue actors and spies within the government of Russia and US launching the nukes and/or doing sabotage. Russia's failure to launch their nukes before the US might also due to ongoing diplomatic actions that were taken to stop full out nuclear war.
I mean, Russia would have detected the US launch and plotted it's trajectory so the only question is why didn't they launch theirs in retaliation until US's nuke had crossed their airspace/literally detonated on their cities.
So the sequence of events might be:
1) nukes we launched in the middle east 2) Both governments go into panic mode and start calling each other on what happen and what to do
3) Somehow, someone in US launches nukes to Russia which when detected, cause Russia to put their Army on standby until further confirmation
4) Panic in other world government
5) US communicated to Russia that the launch was a mistake and that they're trying to disarm/intercept the launched nukes (while probably under internal attack by rogue actors/spies)
6) Russia's government got paralyzed either due to sabotage, rogue actors or bio attack
7) By the time the nukes cross their airspace and assuming the chain of command in Russia has been restored, it's already too late so they launch their own nukes
Not saying there's a hidden group operating behind the scene like Hydra but it's possible that in the chaos, the espionage assets of both countries were mobilised in an effort to gain further information on what really happened and along the way, cause an escalation in misunderstanding and sabotage action.
America is not a country, its a continent. Learn how to speak before doing it.
@@anvos658
Sebastian Shaw obviously did it. Dang mutants.
@@anvos658it sounds like what a certain Battlefield 3 character would do...
Anyone else notice the Australia was completely untouched by any nukes? I'd like to think Australia in the metro universe became much akin to Mad Max.
or Australia turned into a utopia
@@Crimsomreaf5555 It already is
If it was untouched, it wouldn’t become a mad max wasteland.
Nah dude, that place is already a wasteland, they’ve already got mutated spiders and shi 😂
Fucking kangaroos.
Remember that in desert radiostation in Metro Exodus, there were mentioned satelite pictures of USA of 2019 if I remember correctly. It was said, that some cities still have light at night. So some cities survived, and still had a lot of electricity. Perhaps it was some small nuclear reactors that survived, like in legend of Polarne Zorie. I think it's safe to assume that this cities maintained goverment at least for some time: without central goverment they wouldn't light up city at night.
either nuclear reactor or using the stockpiles of coal and coal being mined to fuel generators.
It can also be radio signals, the subway has power and electricity but it is a different story.
@@darioestebaneliztrado4641 Wait, I read all 3 books like 5-6 times and played all 3 games 3-4 times, never heard about murican subway. This information is from some fan-novel right?
thing about the US is it's habitable coast to coast very easily. The entire north american continent for the most part except for the extreme north is very temperate. so if you lived away from the big big cities, and not near the nuclear missile fields in montana and the dakotas... the chances of surviving isn't that bad.
@@averagetachyonlanceenjoyer1129 there are more books than the main three but they are all in russian and not really important for the main line story
I really want Metro 4 to go back to Moscow to tie up loose ends and Sam's story to be continued as either a standalone or DLC... with better writing.
Sam's story could honestly be it's own entire game.
That said I would like to see both.
@@trainknut yeah, the whole plot of the new Sam's game will be about him being astonished by the view of a flag with a two-headed bear at the center of San-Fran
More than Sam continuing story would be How Sam as a US Marine joined the spartans
Sams story was great!
@@17MrLeon Sam was saved by miller he was at the embassy and fled to metro
I've Always Liked the idea that America in the Metro Universe has had its Government and Military survive along with Several Major Cities and major chunks of land surrounding them but with Significant areas lost to lawlessness and outright nuclear annihilation. The Cities and other major bastions of civilization are dirty looking like in Children of Men or perhaps Gears of War, are heavily fortified and either feature heavily militarized police or outright martial law in order to fend of major swarms of Mutant Creatures or Lawless Marauders in addition to maintaining Law and Order. Significant chunks of territory in areas like the American Sowthwest and in or around destroyed cities are either outright lawless, have frontier like presence or are quarantined behind heavy military fortifications. Gangs of Marauders exist in many locations neccecitating people being heavily armed to have a semblance of safety outside of "Green Zones" and Mexico is Overrun by Bandit empires that are the descendants of the Cartels that occasionally attempt raids or full-blown conquest northwards.
I like it, they can also recreate the battle of Alamo with surviving American militia and remnants of police and national guard fought against the onslaught of the bloodthirsty Mexican empire. That will also be in theme with the metro theme of recreating history.
+@@sunshineskystar+ That could be like the Final Battle of the game that take place after a long quest down the coast and climaxes with the 8th Air Force unleashing a relentless bombing run and the reconstituted 1st Armored Divison encircles and annihilates the enemy.
I think that's actually fairly plausible, the one bit I would add is the potential of 3rd party groups (state governments, rogue military assets, religions groups) taking over and forming legitimate nation-states or warlord-states in some areas of the country. For example, the LDS church forming a new nation in Utah and the western Rockies, the State of Texas surviving mostly intact and doing ok, or a few divisions of the US army setting up a new military clique in Kentucky or something. Just a thought though, but I do like your ideas a lot.
So it was true that the gringos say a lot of stupidity.
Product of your mental fantasies
@@rexwyatt3066Maybe we can have something kinda like the Monolith of STALKER.
Plot twist: Samuel Taylor is Courier 6. Hence why he is so skilled when you play New Vegas. Couldn’t remember his time with the rangers due to him getting shot in the head.
Bro is casually like 300 years old
@@trainknutit makes sense think about it the courier default character looks like the most generic American
AAAAAAND the courier makes snappy "I'll kill you all" one liners.
@@trainknutCausally, you ever just come across a 300 year old guy survive a headshot?
I love this
This is a similar outcome to the rough idea I've read about for our response to the Cuban missile crisis if it went hot. Our first targets would have been the ICBMs and leadership.
Yes, but even then planners assumed the USSR counterstrike would also do untold damage in return, and likely they would see the nukes coming due to satellites and observations, and begin firing their own back.
Every nuclear scenario with first strike in mind by the power who does first strike is optimistic at best because they have the hope that the enemy gets destroyed before counter strike
@@voxpopuli7910 Exactly. the problem with the first strike idea is that, well your first strike still needs time to reach your enemy, in which time they will likely have detected your incoming barrage and well fire their own back as one last act of defiance.
@@RomanHistoryFan476ADEven if it does, Nuclear submarines are able to operate for years unaided. I know both sides map each others submarine positions, but strategists and captains probably have plans to slip through cracks and counteract this. They could still come out after even if dead hand systems like Perimeter don't activate.
@@mspaintbesteditor9417 Exactly, the Nuclear Subs will last at least long enough to get their missiles off for a retaliation strike.
What angers me is when people keep talking about first striking will win the war before the USSR or Russia could react back. This often now popping up very often due to the recent politics around Ukraine. To be honest with you this type of talk scares me, because it means some people don't want a nuclear or don't see the true danger in one beginning. They seem to be under some very fatal illusions like: Somehow shooting down all the Missiles, or magically all of Russia's will not work or fire. Or worse of all A US/NATO first strike will somehow eliminate the Russian threat of nukes before launch, be it this first strike be either aircraft and missile attacks or a nuclear strike.
I think too many people are not aware of how Nuclear war would actually happen. We have some people who literally say the USA should just bomb or fire missiles at Russian nuclear assets to prevent them firing nukes, during the Ukraine war. None of these people understand that if you fire on a Nation's nuclear assets they will interpret that as a prelude attack on their nuclear capabilities , just before your main nuclear attack.
During the cold war there was an incident during Able Archer '83 I believe, where NATO held exercises close to the East German border including nuclear drills, that a Soviet missile detection installation detected what appeared to be several launches fitting the profile of ICBM's heading towards the USSR. Fortunately the officer in charge of the station had a cool enough of a head to not kick it up any further and addressed the problem after the incident to improve the warning system because thankfully in this case it wasn't nukes, it was something stupid like glint from high altitude weather balloons.
I'm thinking this was maybe the case with Russia. Why would Russia just begin outright nuking the US? Why would the US out of seemingly nowhere nuke Russia? I think these were the thoughts of the missile men and why they waited until the last second to launch the nukes
There were many situations like that during cold war, other time station detected rockets flying from east of Soviet Union and workers of station were thinking that USA decided to start war and nuke Soviet Union, luckily worker of station decided that it was false alarm and he was right but if he decided to call Moscow and inform about "attack" then Soviet Union would probably nuke both USA and western Europe starting war.
Guess you've never heard the one about the USA going to DEFCON 1 over a flock of seagulls
Maybe they didn't want to doom millions of people and refused orders to launch, at least some of the people running the silos. There's probably multiple factors though.
99 red balloons go by
Able Archer was a different incident than the false launch indication. The former was in Soviet times…Andropov and his minions got the idea the exercise was a cover for a real attack, and refused to believe their spies who told them it was nonsense. Reagan was on a State visit to South Korea at the time, there is no way he’d be that far from CONUS if a first strike was even being contemplated. The false alarm was post Soviet, when Yeltsin was President. The Norwegians launched a science experiment and the Russians mistook it for a missile, even though they were notified the launch was taking place well before.
I do suspect that that the U.S goverment that existed pre-war probably survived in some form and their might even be some level of civilization existing. Cheyenne mountain/Colorado springs would probably become the defatco capital and central U.S around the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains are rather untouched expect for areas directly hit by nukes like silos or air bases bases. While the ocean facing coasts are probably the frontier-like badlands straight out of a western film as implied in the graphic novel.
Although gangs of mutants, raiders and warlords are a major problem. It could be the next setting for a Red Dead Redemption like game.
I do wonder what would happen to Arizona in this AU, we might've returned to a more medieval state using the canals for food, could be similar to how Egypt was for most of history, and I'd think We'd survive the mutants, maybe using gila monsters as a wall against em.
Rdr3 confirmed
Well, considering how big of a target Utah is in terms of nuclear war, I don't think the Rockies would be spared any less than other areas in the country
@@derpcade as someone who's visted Utah 4 times and seen the natural beauty and man made horrors beyond my comprehension of the state i am pretty Shure the only thing in the SLC area that would survive is the Mormon high command with their little LDS Bunker that my partner use to work at. and the thought of Mormons surviving nuclear Armageddon makes me fear for the local mutants. other then that the Uintah's and anything East of the SLC Valley like Herber/Park city would probbly be realitively okay from blasts, southern places of the valley like Eurika,Nephi and Mona would probbly survive (Eurika would operate as usual for the next 20 years lmao) larger settlements like St.George, Ceader City, Vernal and Moab might be hit simply because of military/military proximity installations the rest of the state will pretty much just become what Fallout NV looks like but in the style of Metro, small settlements scattered here and there
>2 middle eastern countries begin the nuclear war
>metros pre-war universe is supposed to mirror ours
>theoretically, the US and Israel would be allies
>Metro's US strikes first directly after Israel gets hit
What did Gluvkhovsky mean by this?
Well, Obama was President at the time…
trump lost goyper
@@guyuscoolius2326 What does trump have to do with a nuclear war in 2012?
@@thesteellegionnaire4570 there was a nuclear war in 2012?
@@guyuscoolius2326 It's a Metro 2033 video, what the hell do you think I'm talking about?
It is implied that the US fired first, and much of Russia was destroyed before they could return fire (at least in the games).
So, my assumption is the US wasn't his as badly. I would assume the coasts got it a LOT worse than the Midwest, so there's probably a great deal of survivors across the central and southern USA.
Definitely with a US using the first strike option. If Soviet middle defenses aren’t put up in time or some of them unfortunately don’t work it, then it would explain why the Soviet Unions retaliation was far less grand considering the US doctrine targets strategic assets predominantly other known nuclear silos and places of government power. Thus giving the US ample time to prepare ICBM countermeasures to do deal with any remaining nuclear response. But some would eventually get through and hit major population centers such as the east and west coasts
The coasts would get hit, but actually the Midwest is the primary target, most nukes are targeting other nukes, so all the ICBM fields in the Midwest are the primary target.
@@duitkYes. In a realistic scenario, the Midwest would likely be wiped out. Not to mention we have a lot of military installations.
@@kingtigertheheavy2708 yes, there are fallout maps from the cold war, that show the most fallout in the Midwest. I know fallout isn't quite as bad as the movies but the entire area would be utterly deadly for a out two weeks.
Watch Threads. After seeing that movie, I'd say Artiom and his friends are doing pretty good. Pretty fucking good. "Gib sum!"
That triangle at 8:03 is probably a highly irradiated wastleland because it is a primary target due to the Pantex plant (which is the only nuclear weapons assembly and disassembly plant in the entire United States) being located in the center of that triangle in the city of Amarillo.
That seems like one hell of a vulnerability, but i guess if its getting hit the country is ducked anyways
For me, as an American from Alaska, it's interesting that only two locations got hit in my home state. Those areas don't really have any strategic assets like nukes sitting about in silos, though it would make sense given their proximity to Siberia and the like. But the only places of note in those western regions of the state are Nome and Bethel with native villages dotted about nearby.
Most of the population, resources, industry, infrastructure, food production, processing, is in the south central areas and the interior. Almost none of those locations are touched at all. The pipeline is still intact, as is more or less all of the power generation systems, and the means to distribute it. All of the food industries, such as the farm land near Delta Junction, as well as all over the state, are still intact. The fishing industry, which is the biggest in the world, is also intact, as is the processing plants needed to cut, clean, can, and distribute them. Our mining industry can make up for the loss from the continental US in all but certain rare earth metals. Lumber and the like, we got more than we need. Plus we still have 90+% of the population.
So Alaska is fairly well off despite everything. Mutants would likely be the only real issue I see for my home state.
As an Alaskan can confirm the locations aren't really strategic, if we were to be nuked it would've been JBER/Anchorage itself and Eilson. Other than that it could be the ground based interceptors but I'm not sure as to where they are located. I've only lived in Anchorage after all.
@@weaselwolf8425 Probably nuclear silos were there in the Metro universe
during the Cold War the only major targets up here were the DEW line C&C, Anchorage, Fairbanks, and a few low KT yield tacticals aimed at airbases and such north of the Brooks Range. But considering the people making the game likely know little about Alaska or our population dispersion (hell, had three tourists over the past week ask if they could call the US from here, thinking Alaska was a foreign country) it's not surprising that they would have the targets in weird places
@@BreandanOCiarraiI’ve never been to Alaska as I’m from the lower 48. But I think Alaska would make a cool setting for a metro/fallout game
As an Alaskan, I already was tormented by the bear in the taiga, I don’t want to do that again.
Russia/USSR gets nuked by America
Basically, similar to the premise of Wasteland which iirc, the nuclear war in Wasteland was caused by America misidentifying a Meteor for an ICBM and in a panic launched their nukes at the USSR. However, I havent played any of these games for a while so I could be completely wrong. However, it seems to me that America in Metro is just America in Wasteland. The only difference between the universes are: Russia/USSR is instead just the modern day Russian Federation iirc and the nuclear holocaust was started similarly to how the nukes were dropped in Mad Max, with the main cause being another war over oil in the middle east.
Why was it when I was reading this my first thought was “elder statesmen George bush.”
Thank you for doing Metro lore, very few people cover this topic and I already love your fallout videos. PLEASE do more Metro!
I think, if we go with the trailer video showing the launches the war could have been started by a incorrect identification. The tech at the time was pretty prone to malfunctioning and with the added stress of a couple nukes in the air I think the US might have thought the Arabian Sea launch was by a Soviet ship/silo of some kind, immediately trigger a US response but catching the Russians on the back foot.
And this was a common occurrence especially during the Cold War a lot of satellites would malfunction indicating nukes had been launches but in reality it was just an error
it'd be interesting if they made a metro game in the US with Sam as the player
I hope not. Metro setting is unique due to its post-soviet vibes that aren't represent much in western media. Tooking it out by moving setting into post-apocalyptic America sounds just really generic
@@Ocelot835 yea im still waiting if ever artyom and his mates will go back to Moscow and tell them the truth but what happens after that if they plan to make another story, as from the video shown apparently the US surface is safe for the most part and there are pockets of civilization but it would ruin the name metro I guess
@@nemo3029 I think best approach would be to discover what's going on in other post-soviet republics, especially those that had metro systems. Maybe make new protagonist in Kiyv or Minsk metro (both places actually have been explored in extended universe books although their canonicity are disputed), show how people live there and so on.
At that point it just becomes fallout
Nah, there are hundreds game with american protagonists and perspectives, leave Metro serie as is, please.
I recently played each game, back to back to back, for the first time, and I was just blown away by how perfectly each story is connected to the others. Fantastic story writing!
To be honest, with the video illustration of how the nuclear war in metro played out, I am surprised that population centers in Asia and South America are not touched at all. I doubt that governments in those places would collapse at all with such a tiny scale of nuclear fallout.
while the nations of the world not hit by nuclear strikes would survive they would be facing starvation/ strife & possible societal collapse.
most countries cant sustain their population without trade which in the metro universe is effectively gone.
Not really. Many of those countries (like India) which are major powers are quite self-reliant as far as food supplies and concerned and are in fact net exporters of several essential crops.
Even countries that weren’t hit by nukes would still be heavy effected in some capacity- The global economy is effectively annihilated, political & social unrest would ensue from the crisis, and the international order & geopolitics are irreparably changed.
As others mentioned many would economically collapse due to the global trade system falling apart. Irl if the US, China, or India were to collapse MANY nations would indirectly collapse with them.
Those countries would have to deal with the fallout, and if they managed to survive through that, they'll essentially be the new "superpowers" of the new era. My guess is that they're refraining from any contact with those that launched the nukes, likely because the sheer bad blood caused by the nuclear war.
Couldn't it be possible the American Executive power have evacuated into the National Airborne Operations Centers, and have the Doomsday Plane fly over the North Atlantic until proper new centre of power could be established?
It could also could be that the Executive Branch have relocated onto a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier as the first missiles were being fired, being evacuated on Airforce One into a more remote location before doing so as Nimitz-class aircraft carrier were built to last as long as some sort of infrastructure existed.
I mean it's really hard to think that a Nuclear War would have completely wiped out the Governments of the Soviet Union or America as if any part of the world was seeing nuclear escalation threats, there would be some expectation of some sort of contingency plan for the continuation of the state in some form or another.
I don't think jet fuel would last that long
That's what I was thinking. Since the U.S. was already planning on a first strike, it would make sense that the Executive powers would already be at what would be deemed as a safe location for the inevitable retaliation strikes.
@@richardarriaga6271 You really dont need to be in the air for too long to survive a nuclear blast and locate a emergency centre of power as the military reorganize.
Carrier groups are also nuclear strike targets, so that's not a plausible safe area.
@@MikMoenWhich is why they would probably remove whatever CSG was in that area of operations
The music of this video definitely helps set the atmosphere,keep up the great work
What happened in America: Pretty much Fallout, but without the 1950s retro technology
energy gun Ghoul etc
So basically just Fallout 1 and 2 but without the vaults.
@@abnerdoon4902 Or STALKER without Fantasy thing
people like you irritate me the most
Remember: Sam has canonically played Fallout 3
Florida is alright because it’s Florida it won’t change anything
It may even improve things, like the enviorment.
Florida would've improved
Nah, we goin to Texas when the apocalypse hits
@@TheOmegaInitiativeDamm right 🤠
Arizonian here guess I’m dying but I live in a copper mine not like we’re much use.
4:57 “Its quite hard to see if this area has been hit with nuclear weapons or not”
Well seeing as it’s California it is hard to tell if that’s normal or apocalyptic damage.
That's the joke
Still wish we got more of an openworld game based in the metro. Would be fun exploring tunnels, abandoned stations, etc.
Oh hell nah, I ain't spending 10 hours walking from station to the next.
@@TheOmegaInitiative you don't want the full Dayz Metro experience?
@@tarkov_6 DayZ Metro experience? Hm, I would play such a game, tbh.
Brb gonna go travel to America to see for myself
@@magicaltides283 Think you are going to be quite lost then....
8:03, just wanted to say that I don't think the triangle is mainly in Colorado and Kansas, looking at it, it looks to me more like New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas. With the bottom left point at Albuquerque NM, the bottom right at Dallas TX, and the top somewhere in northern Oklahoma, I can't tell which city it is, but looking at google maps, I think that it could be Ponca City.
If he admits he was wrong then his arguement for the Cheyenne Mts. being a possible triangle falls through in 13:14.
@@vonkasper7130 Ok
@@TheOmegaInitiativeI hope my comment didn't come across as negative or insulting, just wanted to add to the discussion. I really enjoy your videos and love the dedication and hardwork you put into them. I loved all ideas, speculation, theories, and the summaries you had in the video. I do think that the Cheyenne complex could definitely be used as some sort of post-war bunker for what remains of the USA's government and senior members of the military. Overall, great videos and I am excited to see what videos you have in store for us in the future!
@@dansemacabre9550 Nah it's fine, I just couldn't really tell what was what because I think the map proportions might be a little stretched.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Even stretched out the state lines are clearly drawn and the line barely if even touches Kansas. Omitting basic geography there is an app on your phone that could have cleared this up in 2 seconds but as @vonkasper7130 stated I guess it wouldn't have lined up with your Cheyenne theory. That sarcastic ok was not needed from a guy who cant be bothered to look at map.
Like in the metro,their version of the United States taking inspiration from the frontier/wild west they most likely have US marshals or Texas/Arizona Rangers bring law and civilized order in the new frontier
With the arsenal sizes of 2013 assuming they are similar big chunks of rural US and a number of medium size cities would be completely intact.
I've been searching for a decent metro 2033 youtuber. Glad I stumbled across your channel! Keep them coming!
They need to do a Metro game in America following the dude who went home.
Sam
This video makes you wish for a Nuclear Winter, but other than the memes aside this is an interesting topic to talk about American Nation survival, though considering that the United States is considering more richer and powerful than Russia chances are that more people could have survived the End War, and maybe they had enough technologically advanced machines they could created massive safe locations for the citizens of the U.S.
That last one is not very likely, such a strike would cripple the USA still, and in peace time the government is incompetent at rescue. Imagine post nuclear war.
No um money wont save you from radiation unless you are the rich class that can afford bunkers and endless food lol. Citizens are almost secondary completely they would have had the same reaction as the russians did trying to rush to safety and if we are talking about russian ICBM'S they carry like minitature warheads if you going from reality thats a lot of nukes for one icbm to launch in 1 volley since its 50 peices or so, very hard to shoot down even with patriots. But it is game lore so the government could have survived but many civillain infrastructures must be destroyed as you seen with that golden state bridge which is part of larges cities so many cities had to be targeted. Realisticly not even talking about the nuclear winter and the lack of many grains that can't be growned outside now. So alot becomes more like russia in metro with different factions, perhaps even cartel being around now more or so would not be suprising. However its strange in metro that china does nothing I guess we need more information.
@@RomanHistoryFan476ADIf you think about it, every war after 1945 is a post nuclear war, just the nukes were on a lot smaller scale
@@kingtigertheheavy2708 Not really since no nuclear weapons were used.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD You're actually wrong, look up the bombings of Nagasaki snd Hiroshima
Considering they have a stargate in Cheyenne mountain, I think that all leaders in it probably survived
And Macgyver is also there. So US had solution for everything, as long they not ran out of duct tape and propane tanks
Considering most the U.S east of the train line would be bombed into wastelands and the west coast mainly taking hits on the coastline itself, it would make sense that Cheyenne would become the new heart of what remains.
I think they're going to be exploring that soon, the Sam's Story dlc from Exodus leads me to think America would be in decent shape, at least in comparison to Russia. I'm sure some of the large cities are screwed and a lot of the Midwest would be a wasteland and turn back into a dead seabed, but we have a lot of nooks and crannies around the country where people would survive. I would like to see an irradiated grizzly face off against a mutant moose though. Assuming we travel east from Russia it's likely Alaska would be a key area in something like that.
But I think something is lost every time the wall of knowledge moves back in the Metro series. Is this the kind of nuclear apocalypse where everyone, everywhere got hit equally? Were the nukes and WMDs mainly targeted at military bases, population centers, ports? Could Russia and America combined really cripple the whole world like that? Where's China? What happened to Europe? Did Africa get clapped too? These questions stay unanswered not only because the characters don't have the means to know, but also because it raises some bigger problems. Like, enough nukes to put most if not all of the countries on earth back to the level of civilization that we see in the games and books would be enough for complete biosphere collapse.
Nuclear winter would mess a lot up, even if you didn't get nuked a lot of nations would die.
The Midwest being a wasteland makes zero sense. Both the east and west coast of the US are the prime targets for a nuclear strike. The original 13 colonies and California would be wiped off the map. Everything else is just a waste of a missile as the vast majority of the country is sparsely inhabited.
8:12 looks more like North Dakota and would make more sense since that's where a MASSIVE chunk of the US nuclear arsenal is kept.
Whoever created that map doesn’t have a clue about the world’s strategic forces. US ICBMs are going to come from ND and that area, or from sea. The rest were on bombers.
2:45 I’m so baffled by why two countries nuking each other jumpstarts everyone going “might as well too”
It more appears that sub caused things to escalate to a brinksmanship, and it hitting Russia pushed the US over the edge to preemptive strike, assuming MAD would go into effect, so they might as well strike first to save as much of the USA as possible.
Good question, maybe similar to Fallout version US?
Wild conspiracy: Fallout and Metro are in the same universe.
i think no because metro war happed in 2013 fallout war happed in 1960s its different timeline
@@vixonvieeYou’re not wrong, but the Great War in Fallout happened at 2077.
@@LegosMyEggos sooo, he IS wrong actually.
No
BABE WAKE UP NEW OMEGA INSTITUTE VID!!
I hate the Institute 😡
@@TheOmegaInitiativebased
@@TheOmegaInitiative based
@@TheOmegaInitiative if you ever get the chance. Can you do a video of Texas in fallout that would be awesome 😊
Likely for some reason DFW (Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex) may have survived or even served as a new capital for america, i only say this because of the comment by @Sadlego mentioning lights coming from american cites alongside the map you had from the Outpost. DFW is one of the locations it seems to end on alongside some other cities, maybe the reason they aren't connected by rail on the map is because its following the AMTRAK national track which goes south but not towards DFW in a straight path.
and if its not DFW likely its one of the many cities west of DFW maybe Abilene?
@@areyouserious866I doubt it's either one. If it's Abilene than cities such as Odessa, Lubbock, Midland, San Angelo ect would've survived and even them that's questionable.
Thank you sir. I was waiting fot another Metro Lore video
Historically speaking, there's been a few incidents where computer glitches and radar error led soviet officers to believe there was an incoming US attack. This could leave a very wide potential that silo operators had become complacent until the very last moment
The lack of launch but knowledge of a launch can be explained by the command responsible for a launch being taken out or in disarray
Would like to point out something in regards to your yamahtua vs raven rock comparison. Raven Rock is called Raven Rock and not "Mount Raven" because it's a solid piece of Greenstone granite. Which adds tons more survivability than a couple thousand meters of dirt.
It's called Raven Rock Mountain 💀. But good point 😃
I like how a random island in the southern atlantic got hit in the nuke simulation map thing in 2:55 like wtf was that supposed to hit? A couple of birds and maybe like 3 guys?
Might be the British airbase on Ascension Island
I like to imagine it’s just fallout, but obviously so early that no one would be out and about aside from small groups of people, Sam even makes a fallout reference about liberty prime in exodus, but like I said it’s just a nod to fallout
The fact that not much is known and there is a lot of space for interpretation is one of the things that make film/videogames set in a post apocalyptic world awesome
One thing i like to think about in metro is that the southern hemisphere survived and lives a some what normal life to before the war while western hemisphere is devastated and full of people eating each other and long away away from ever getting back to pre war life. Given how metro has often lots of symbolism and allegory's in it, it just feels like something that could be possible in universe as part of that given how USA, Europe, China, USSR and latter Russia always have their hands in south American and Africa the idea of them destroying them selves and the south prospering as a result while leaving the the northern hemisphere to eat each other in chaos would feel somewhat poetic.
The southern hemisphere would also experience a global winter and mass chaos and dying.
Except they didn't, the southern hemisphere already lived in poverty long before the war. The destruction of the world's economy means their economy and civilization are severely affected. All of them depend on the First world for technology and food, they will go back to the stone age even if they aren't nuked. Even just during corona a lot of third world countries suffer from starvation and crisis after the first world stops their donation.
Australia and New Zealand would get by fine. Hell billionaires are building bunkers in New Zealand right now.
@@Mirokuofnite it’s about being able to grow food. It all depends on the fallout. Plus Australia is a target for China.
Almost all of the south hemisphere would be caos, with the best chance of surviving would be Brazil, chile, Argentina and Uruguay wich they would pass from being democratic countries to being forced by the situation into military dictatorships
That Nebraska line to the ocean thing is interesting. In the area of the state the dot was at is a bunch of nuclear missile silos. SAC and Stratcom both have heavy presence in the state, as well.
I read somewhere, that Glukhovski leaved hints of the existense of other countrys as vague as possible, to leave space for other authors woldwide who want to continue and write storys in the same universe about their own countries. There are allready books from Italy, Poland, France and the U.K. So any sci fi writers, from the U.S. who like to join... It's your opportunity to expand the Lore. I will continue to read any Metro book i come across. 🙂
I've been waiting for this.
One aspect of the USSR that only came to light after the Iron Curtain fell was how poor the readiness of Silo-based ICBMs were in the USSR. Their medium range missiles on subs or launchers were deadly, but the huge ones meant to strike the USA itself were known to be... troublesome to get working. I could totally believe that the reason we see the ICBMs launching from Moscow seconds before the incoming bombs hit was because they were not capable of being fired at a moment's notice. Just as likely most never got ready before getting destroyed, sparing the USA from a full nuclear response.
Edit: That also would explain why tank commanders in city could have known Nuclear missiles were inbound and were evacuating before their own could be launched. You can imagine a panicking missile crew having to scramble to get their missiles to launch before it is too late.
the missiles you see in Moscow are not ICBMs, they are Anti ballistic Missiles, they are meant to intercept incoming nukes and prevent them from detonating by destroying them in flight
Always have to be one guy critising Russia eith nothing to back it up 😂
Uh no? The ICBMs and overall all the Russian nuclear trifecta. It has to go through a bunch of check ups from the military chain of command. Which are only required if it’s a first strike, not a retaliation strike, like it is shown in the Metro Novels.
So if Australia was spared from nukes, I think it's safe to assume it's in line with the Mad Max timeline.
From what the promo video shows, the following US cities and places got hit:
1. New York City
2. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; possibly Fort Dix, New Jersey
3. Washington, D.C., with the additional targets of Baltimore, Maryland, and Newport News, Virginia
4. Charleston, South Carolina
5. Atlanta, Georgia
6. Miami, Florida, or possibly Patrick Air Force Base, Florida
7. San Diego, California
8. Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
9. Seattle, Washington
For the graphic novel, here is what I can discern:
First, the line from the ocean to the middle of Nebraska. This indicates a naval presence in contact with Offutt Field, what was the old Strategic Air Command (SAC) during the Cold War. Incidentally, there was the prediction that if nukes were launched by the USSR, Offutt Field would be hit by at least 3 100-kiloton bombs.
Next, the triangle. This would seem to be more of a zone of control or avoidance area, possibly controlled by remnants of the US government located in Denver, Colorado; Fort Collins, Colorado; and Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado. If Cheyenne Mountain survived, that's where NORAD would be.
Arizona: Actually not Arizona, but rather an airbase in Arizona. My guess? Edwards AFB, located in Arizona and New Mexico.
California: May be an indication of San Francisco surviving, and basically being the only outpost between LA and the ruins of Seattle, along the I-5 Corridor.
Edwards is in Cali, So probably Luke AFB/ Holloman AFB in either state. It could also be the Los Alamos National Laboratory.
Los Alamos is actually a point on the Triangle too.
The triangle is very obviously not in Colorado, nor anywhere near Cayenne Mountain.
The triangle approximately covers from Santa Fe to Dallas to the border of Oklahoma and Kansas.
would the survivors from cayenne mountain be able to set up operations in that area ? something along the lines of CoG / military personnel organizing civil defense and other survivor's into an emergency government soon after the bombs fell?
I live in California, and id comfortably say we would become a massive crater, I live a stone throw for major military bases, industrial centers, ports, airports, and other not just strategic areas, but logistical important spaces. and this is just by el Segundo or Hawthorne, the ports of Los Angeles in san Pedro is the largest port in the country. Besides a few mountains east to us, its mostly flat land so we have hardly any environmental protection from a single nuke in one area, let alone a dozen. Id also argue there would also be little left of san Francisco but I don't live there and know as much as I do here.
Hey @TheOmegaInitiative
I have a suggestion for a future video for a fallout one (sorry to get off topic, I get really hyped whenever I see your content I’m a big fan honestly)
You should do a video of what you believe the world would be like, a story, of the world (North America specifically the USA) 500 years after 2287 or 1000 years after the Great War
Either the author didn’t know about the dead hand or going off the assumption that it was turned off.
This is a fun video to hypothesize. From what I understand about the difference between US and Russian nuclear command structure, in the US, once the President gives the order to fire, it's pretty much a done deal, in Russia, there are Generals that are given the order from the Kremlin, so there's probably a degree of hesitancy and/or order confirmation that takes time in the Russian system. Another thing to note is that this looks like a limited exchange, none of the Dakota silos fired off their missiles. Also, in the US if we fire off the nukes, as much of the government is evacuated to a secure site (probably Cheyenne Mountain), given the lateness of the Russian response, I would say there's a fair chance that most, if not all, of the government was evacuated from DC, while the Russians were caught with their pants down. Again going off the nuke map, the entirety of the east coast and southern California coast, along with Seattle, are wiped off the map. Though San Francisco (from what we see in the DLC) is still intact enough. For the time being this would isolate the US from trade, but after the dust settles it would appear that many of the major cities in the midwest and Texas remain untouched. Given enough time, the US would rebuild much of it's infrastructure and survive. It's unclear as to whether martial law would be declared in these cities, but I would say that the middle east got the worst of it and America would come out the "winner' if you could call it winning.
I was born in Plattsburgh several years before the airbase closed down; prior to that it was a HUGE area for ICBM's during the cold war years.
Still got a Vermont Air National Guard Base over in Burlington some few dozen miles away.
It good your not just doing fallout this is one of my favorite franchise
The best I can tell from left to right with the dots on the map at 8:14 are around South Lake Utah, Phoenix AZ, (the Triangle has) Santa Fe NM, Fort Worth TX, and maybe around the Boiling Springs State Park in OK, the upper one is around Big Springs NE, and the last one is off the Coast of NC right next to Camp Lejeune. Makes senses given all of them are close to water, mountains, or a Military base.
Damn man you did outstanding work, Thank you you have another subscriber. And if possible can you do more lore about metro games.
I'm not really a lore guy
In the metro 2033 book there is a chapter where an radio operator is talking to Artem(main character). There they say that some nuclear submarines and even an tank outpost survived outside(not for long). The book says that the tank camp could survive becouse the soldiers manning the tank got lucky and got an new radiation protected vehicle, witch they take on a long jurney out of population centers, where the book says that radiation is low enough to allow people to survive. This means that some parts of canada are probably still populated.
It seems to track in my head cannon that it would start in the middle east. I have two ways of thinking about the metro lore (I didn't get very far in the audio books but I've loved the games) that metro is just the Russian side of fallout, or that metro goes pretty similar to our own reality that only differs when the bombs drop in 2013. Having it start in the middle east would surely have the Americans fire first cuz there was still significant us presence in the region. In the ensuing chaos they hit the button. Even with minimal nuclear strikes, it wouldn't take much to have the US devolve along party lines.
It's also mentioned in one of the DLCs for Metro 2035 that Sam a main side character who traveled with Artyom throughout the series was from America. He was originally part of an undercover US military spec-ops unit that was operating inside of Russia right before the war started. So America definitely had plans to strike first, and do as much nuclear and conventional damage as possible to their rivals before they could properly strike back.
@@darkguild69 He was stationed at the US Embassy when the war broke out.
Sam was literally a glorified door guard at the embassy. Wtf are you talking about?
This is quite timely for me. I finished 2033 a few days ago and started playing last light. I've ordered a translated copy of the first book too so I'll read that once it arrives.
Cool, Last Light is definitely my favourite story and atmosphere, however Exodus has great gameplay, so there's a lot to look forward to.
the cheyenne mountain area could also be where they planned to continue the railroad if they could get permission etc
So what your saying is we could have armored us trains and martial law in the us a rping game set there would be so cool maybe you could be a bandit or a tribal or a soldier
Im assuming that there had to be a conventional war before the nukes start flying as a nuke being launched out of nowhere isn't in our playbook
Texas is probably a major regional power, having been basically untouched by nukes and already having lots of industry and the world's 9th largest economy, along with a pre-existing state military infrastructure and a (albeit in need of maintenance) independent power grid
Yeah, but Texans are incompetent, they would fall in a jiffy.
Texan try not to jerk off your state challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
How do you not have 100k subscribers already your videos are so high quality.
The offshore strike does bring up questions maybe the U.S. was given bad intel about who launched it and that's why they did a first strike that caught Russia off guard.
Technically, the first strike wouldve been the biological weapons they deployed to kill off Russian leadership. They did this so that, as a first strike, the Russian Federation would be too slow to gather its forces and retaliate with nuclear weapons. While the Russians were scrambling to launch their nukes, the U.S. had already launched while the Russians were too slow to retaliate, leading to many of their missile silos being blown to hell and only so many nukes being launched.
So there are two ways to strike, a countervalue strike or a counterforce strike.
It seems in the Metro Universe, America chose catastrophe rather than tactical. Meaning, they chose to kill millions of civilians -- which would be vilified upon -- rather than tactically striking all of Russia's silos. Countervalue is the act of basically genociding civilians with any weapon whether its nuclear, biological or chemical. Counterforce is strictly attacking only military targets.
“There’s no traffic, which probably means America was nuked” Meanwhile: Half of the Golden Gate Bridge has been deleted
That's the joke ☹️
Exodus needed to have some remnant US forces that set up in their bases and could’ve had a twist where the war is still going on or that the rest of the world is fine, like the scene where they discovered that long range transmissions still come in could’ve had more to it.
Its crazy to think that if the U.S. launched the first birds that Russia would certainly be caught by surprise and any retalation against the U.S. would be at best reduced and at worst it would destroy much of the coasts as it did.
Honestly it also reflects our doctrine being that if we were to commit MAD it would only occur after the fact that russia or some other power kicked everything off first, and thus the common sense approach we apply irl where the outcome is already known.
Not only would the user have to be on at the same time, they would have to be on the same frequency, AND be able to be able to transmit the distance to Moscow. It really more says that there was a lot more survivors than most think if the one specific frequency, at that specific time, that are capable of transmitting that distance, and any other number of factors, are being seen.
the jammer was jamming ALL long range frequencies. indicating it was scanning for them and blocking incoming and outgoing messages.
triangle likely are bunkers at 8:21 theres a lot of government bunkers in the plains as well as Colorado
Plattsburg is in New York for those who missed it. That was upstate New York(New York City is WAAAy South)
Yes i have to specficy this. Especially for non-New York and non-Canadian viewers because literally nobody knows about the shape and geography of New York.
8:05 isn't mainly Colorado and Kansas in triangle.
Northern side point: Northern Oklahoma border/Southern Kansas Border
West side point: Northern New Mexico border/Southern Colorado border
Southern side point: Texas (a bit west of Dallas)
I don’t know if it’s just me but it sure looked like that first opening salvo that you showed was a few Middle Eastern countries hitting Israel Israel. Israel Being basically an ally of the US then it would make sense for a submarine in the Persian Gulf to attempt to wipe out those nuclear launch vessels from said Middle Eastern countries
10:23 hey quick question, that’s a Titan II ICBM. Was this photo from its respected Museum in Sahuarita, AZ?
Short answer: fallout
13:06 that triangle doesn’t come close to where Cheyenne Mountain is. Colorado is further north than the triangle is, which encompasses Oklahoma, New Mexico and Texas
So... what I got was: Iran and Israel started exchanging nukes, an American ballistic missile submarine gets involved to help Israel but one of its missiles accidentally overshoots its target and hits Soviet territory. The American government then panics about the potential Soviet response and pulls the trigger in order to prevent the (to them) inevitable retaliation from causing too much damage.
"I think the thing that gives it away is the lack of traffic on the roads."
Or, you know, the completely blown-to-pieces Golden Gate Bridge that's overgrown with weeds and plants. That could be another thing.
That's just regular L.A.
I know in the books there was a reference made to some russian military personel refusing to fire their bunker's missiles.
Yes, a radioman talks about how there were some sub commanders that fired their missiles and some that didn't.
I told you what happened: So basically this robot called Viktor keep following me and saying i should meet a guy named Mr. House.
If this hasn't been pointed out, it seems like the exchange in the middle east was between Iran and Israel, in which case, both have the backing of Russia and the United States respectively; thus it's fairly plausible for a nuclear exchange in the middle east to have a runaway effect. Something similar is touched upon in the TV movies "Countdown to Looking Glass" and "Threads".
I'd hope that the US and Russia would just let those 2 idiots destroy each other and not interfere. It'd be a blessing to everyone else.
2:04 they would also most likely need to have line of sight relays (barring atmospheric conditions that could extend range). So there are either some functional satellite relays, or a solid number of radio towers worldwide sill operational
It be Fallout but no 1950s culture or sci Fi tech. Like Walking dead apocalypse but with nukes and not the undead
There was an ad for his new book at the end of 2035, hopefully he hasnt been called up and can finish his work