Great follow up, short and sweet! coming from my engineer of three decades, I like your technical way of speaking.. “Surface tension“, love it! Thanks again bud! 👍🏼
Thanks so much! I go overboard on it a lot, sometimes I re-listen to my videos and just laugh at some of the terms that come flying out, like what in the world was I trying to say there!?
I've always used Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wash and Wax to maintain that base layer. It made it four years and still had amazing water beading. I ultimately tore it all down to claybar, buff, and polish the paint. Now I've redone the Meguair's Hybrid Ceramic Wax (green bottle + applicator) and I'm back to that same maintenance program with it. My paint just looks a little clearer now.
Yes there might be protection on the surface but at least half the fun is the beading and rapid sheeting that we all look for. I used have an Insight but back to a 2017 Civic and then gas mileage is almost the same and better ride. Great videos and love your gloss meter posts on the forums.
I agree Doc, that's why I love the coatings so much! Very easy to keep up on that insane hydrophobic performance and get it to last for years. Looking forward to getting my hands on the new Meguiar's paint coating when they release it to see how it compares to others out there. I've got to jump back on the gloss tests, still working with the Poorboy's Black Hole Glaze, I'll see if I can get some results up later this week.
Oh yeah! Let me know how you like those, Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax proving to be a very durable option, Hybrid Ceramic Detailer proving to be super versatile across the board for maintenance.
This is what I did 3 months ago, Megs M27 Pro Ceramic Sealer then wait 4 hrs., Megs Liquid Ceramic Wax then Hybrid Ceramic Detailer and 6-7 washes later and living in a very hot humid area it’s like I applied it yesterday. It’s easily a once a year stack, I just wish there wasn’t a 4 hr wait between coats. I think I’ll try the Gyeon One next year just because of the 1 hr wait between coats
That's an awesome sounding combo! If you ever get your hands on Bead Booster, let me know how you like that compared to Hybrid Ceramic Detailer, I still haven't picked up M27 or Bead Booster yet. M27 I'm looking for that to be my next purchase, I was going to scoop up some Tac System stuff but they're hounded by the covid delays. Gyeon One I think is outclassed by CQUK 3.0, I grabbed One very shortly after it was first released and it really lacked that ease of use, it was definitely more tacky to buff off than CQUK 3.0 and CanCoat and CQ Lite, but CQUK 3.0 outperformed it in peak hydrophobic performance. Gyeon One is definitely durable but not user friendly enough to warrant it over even CanCoat in my opinion. Here is a link to my review of Gyeon One that I posted on the Autopia forum a few years ago: www.autopia.org/forums/detailing-product-reviews/188973-gyeon-impressions-gyeon-booster-testing.html
Great video man!!! 4 months no toppers real world... not shabby if you ask me!! It definitely looks like its still there. Not very strong, however still there! I've yet to use mine and the detailer but I'll be doing them together when I try em. A lot of times I can hold a car for 24 hours then apply so we will see how they react with a 30min cure time of the HCLW then topping with detailer. Always great information when watching your videos man! Hope you had a safe 4th!!🤝🏻👍🏻
I appreciate it brother! Looking forward that video of yours in the future with the topper test. I'm still itching to snag up M27 and Bead Booster, I might run those in a durability test side by side with Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax topped with Hybrid Ceramic Detailer as a pro vs. consumer test. 4th of July was awesome, family is safe from Covid still, very grateful! Hope you had an awesome 4th as well!
@@WaxMode that sounds like a great test!!! Will give a good insider aspect of hey, do they really put that much more thought into the " pro " version of this level.. I'm surprised you haven't gotten it yet😄 glad to hear the family is safe! Safe here as well!
I think part of the reason it isn't durable at 4 months is because of Carpro Reset. That soap is to strong for a wax, it's meant for a ceramic coating, not a wax.
Very nice. You are very good at laying out the facts and clearly explaining. Also glad you pointed out what products you had used on the adjacent sections. I was hoping you would, and you did. Thanks. One wonders what durability would be like if you had done two coats and used toppers after washings.
Thanks psa! I think with regular maintenance with Hybrid Ceramic Detailer this is going to be a capable system that will easily get people to their next polishing session. Only question would be how well it would be able to hold up during the winter months up north, but down here in Florida it should perform well. CQuartz and Blackfire Pro Ceramic Coating are both holding up!
I applied collinite 845 over 4 months ago on my truck and still getting hydrophobic behavior. In my opinion, even though the ceramic wax may still be on that panel, its not repelling water which is part of protecting the paint.
WaxMode trust me your not alone! Right now I have a black Jeep that I wanna polish and UKquartz. But I’m trying see how long green detailer will last. So far 3 weeks with weekly wash.
I have tried most of Meguiars liquid waxes including this one. I cant get any of them to last over a month. This is with the proper prep and cure time. I keep going back to collinite 845 for the best liquid wax/sealant
Collinite 845 is a great wax. Very good hydrophobic behavior, and on the right paint it goes on crazy easy and buffs out well. For some reason out here in Florida this climate does not like my Collinite waxes as much on this paint. Difficult to get them to not ghost/sweat/haze back over slightly after application, even on a crazy thin application so I haven't pulled them out as much. I used to use Collinite a bunch up in Chicago with good results and so I think the paint type and the climate can play to how well some products perform. I did a glossmeter test with the Collinite trio last month, all three of these gave off great numbers and were able to match the post-abrasive measurements after the first wash: www.autopia.org/forums/paint-correction-and-gloss-enhancement/191435-comprehensive-gloss-measurement-thread-waxmode-testing-4.html#post2175022
WaxMode im in NC, havent had much trouble with 845 or 476. Im really trying to find something that can last longer but nothing so far can beat collinite durability...really want to try polymer net shield next
@@collk88 If you can correct your paint damn-near flawlessly, and properly apply original Soft99 Fusso Coat, you’ll be in Heaven. Super hard to do, but once on it is unreal how water flies off the car.
WaxMode thanks bro I’m trying to make some videos about how to and product recommendations I’m not that good doing those types of videos but I want to try 😁, thanks bro I really appreciate you!! You watching my videos that means a lot to me 🙏
That beading looks delicious! See I'm one to wash the paint and get it nice and fresh and ready just because I know the rain is coming, so that I can see the beading in action. Love that F-250 too, such a good looking truck, and a great color!
So, one of the comments below is "Meguires hybrid ceramic wax is junk", for the price point, Florida weather, and a time period of four months, I don't think this product is junk at all?
Waxmode, With the Megs ceramic detailer being such a good product where do you see their Ultimate detailer and quick wax fitting in the process? Or Does the Ceramic detailer not play well with just their typical Ultimate waxes?
I think the latest Ultimate Quik Detailer is the slickest of the bunch. Hybrid Ceramic Detailer has the best hydrophobics out of the trio, awesome water behavior from this alone without anything underneath. HCD is the best if you want to keep up on HCLW's great hydrophobic behavior. But the reality is all of these will be able to get the job done across the board if you're using them for maintenance, you can swap over the Ultimate over top of the Hybrid Ceramic products, or use the Hybrid Ceramic Detailer on top of the Ultimate waxes. On the side glass, all three of these are able to maintain insane hydrophobic performance just with regular maintenance.
@@WaxMode I put ult8mate over the ceramic and thought I'd never get it off. Will only use ceramic from now on. My cars are both kept in the garage so the ceram8c should last a while.
Ok I was excited to buy more of this stuff cuz it’s $5 at Wally’s and goes on so easy. But if it sucks that bad at beading at 4 months I’ll stick with my turtle wax hybrid ceramic.
As always, greatly appreciate the effort you put into these videos. Excellent information! I saw a very interesting test of the Megs Ceramic Liquid Wax stacked on top of the M27 Ceramic Sealant on Apex's channel. The results were quite impressive and I imagine that the durability would be greatly increased. Like you, I love the Megs Ceramic Detailer and am using it as I test the Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1. Do you have any thoughts on/experience with the M27?
Thanks droptop! I've got to check that video out from Brian, I don't think I've seen it yet. I had another viewer down below that also is seeing great results from stacking M27 with HCLW and Hybrid Ceramic Detailer for maintenance. M27 is still on the list to pick up! Amazon had a bit of a waiting list to get it in, now I see they've upped the price a bit to $35. I plan to do some side by side testing with M27 and HCLW in the future!
I would like to get into UV testing in the future. I saw that statement from Meguiar's: "We do not claim UVA/UVB protection specifically. It does protect against the sun & provides a sacrificial barrier against elements of the environment, like our other waxes/sealants, but again we do not claim UVA/UVB specifically." I haven't noticed any sun fading on this section of the paint, it has maintained its gloss quite well, and this specific clearcoat is extremely susceptible to UV exposure and fading.
Great update...you mentioned about m210 before waxing...I also remembered on one of your videos that you’ve used griots finishing cream, I’m about to polish my black car, would like to know your recommendation between m210 and griots finishing cream, of which one would give more gloss to a black paint, ive used perfect finish on my last polish and would like to try new product
Thanks Hang Seng! I would actually stick with Sonax Perfect Finish, it's one of the best abrasives on the market and consistently scores top tier in my gloss tests. Griot's Perfecting Cream is actually about 0.5GU underneath of Perfect Finish on a consistent basis, which really isn't much lower at all but I'm not able to produce the peak gloss measurements out of Perfecting Cream, and it's not quite as easy to buff off compared to Perfect Finish as well. Although, Perfecting Cream is easily the best smelling finishing polish I've used by a long shot. Has a very pleasant smell, and because of that I actually reach for it a lot. M210 is working great, but I do find myself reaching for Perfect Finish more often. A lot of these finishing polishes are really close in peak gloss measurements, but Perfect Finish's consistent easy wipeoff makes it an excellent choice and that's my recommended abrasive.
WaxMode thanks a lot for your quick reply, in that case I don’t have to seek for more gloss, better stick with sonar, I wonder if there’s any product that would exceed perfect finish😀
Just an enthusiast, but why would you use this over 3D Poxy? Seems like you get same benefits but much longer durability and price is about the same. Thanks for the test
What's going on Nico! I still like the blue Hybrid Ceramic Wax a lot. But I don't like to use that in the hot weather, that can streak on you if you're not working really quick in the sun, and I prefer to take my time and work slow using Hybrid Ceramic Detailer more. But Hybrid Ceramic Wax can be a great maintenance product for this liquid wax as well.
Thanks J R! On the pressure washer I have the MTM Hydro SGS-28 gun. I love it, it has a built in swivel that makes maneuvering the hose around the car really simple, no tangling at all.
Thinking of moving away from these consumer ceramic products for now. Experimented with the Megs Ceramic Detailer, but not the Liquid Wax. Also TW hybrid coating and Wet Wax. Seems like water spots more visible... Maybe just me. Application feels like I am spreading powdered sand mixed in water. Durability and beading don't seem that superior to my vintage sealants.
I binge on a lot of the older products regularly still. Power Lock, DGPS, I had Opti-Seal and my Duragloss trio out recently to play around with as well. Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating and their Ceramic 3-In-1 Detailer can be a bit grabbier to work with on initial application. Updated Ultimate Quik Wax and Quik Detailer I had out today and it's definitely a smoother application compared to many sio2 infused sprays. As much as I like the additional options and direction that companies have taken to quench the sio2 craze and I've had a ton of fun working with them, I'm definitely not leaving behind the mountain of products that have been around for years that still work exceptionally.
Sorry if this is off topic. Hope you don't mind. I'm planning to strip off my old wax and then use a DA buffer with Turtle Wax Hybrid Ceramic Polish & wax. My question is do I do everything the same on the bumpers which are plastic or whatever that bumper material is? (2007 Buick Lacrosse). Thanks.
@@yanniobkirk5744 Thanks for your reply. Obviously I'm a newbie at this & didn't want to screw something up. The car only has 56K miles on it & has always been garaged so I think it could look really nice if I do it right. Nice shade of Burgundy. Wife's car. Unfortunately the previous owner must have been playing bumper cars a lot cuz the bumpers are really marked up. The painted metal surfaces have PLENTY of what you guys would call defects but I'm hoping to get rid of most or at least some of that. It definitely won't be 100% when I'm done but there is much room for improvement.
I agree with Dan, painted plastic bumpers are going to react great with Ceramic Polish & Wax on the DA polisher. When I was dealing with plastic bumpers on the rotary buffers years back, I always dialed it back a bit to make sure it was reacting well and I would polish this separately than the adjacent metal panels. Paint on top of plastic can behave differently than paint on top of metal base, and many times they're painted separately compared to the metal panels, but you would never have to worry about this at all with your Ceramic Polish & Wax and the DA polisher. I'm loving Ceramic Polish & Wax with that damp microfiber towel wipe, super slick feeling on the final wipe.
so after this weekend where my ceramic coated car got irrigation hard water stains but all my family who have straight paint no LSP's at all, all had NO hard water spots....I want sheeting, im done with the beads that cause all my washing headaches.... What would you recommend that sheets?
It's a great question but there are no true hydrophilic paint protectants that I'm aware of that will eliminate the beading issue. Once paint has been cleaned, decontaminated, and polished, it requires external contamination to build up to force a hydrophilic water behavior to occur, so that when it rains or you're hit by a sprinkler bombing the water will actually quickly run flat to prevent beading. Any product that produces a bit of surface tension on the paint will leave significant beading behind even during a monster rainstorm, I have not seen a single protectant or freshly polished unprotected paint that has eliminated spotting during a rainstorm that wasn't either fully diminished or severely contaminated. The reason everyone else's paint isn't spotting is because they're contaminated enough to run the water fully flat during even a mild rain, but this unprotected and contaminated paint is subject to a higher potential of paint failure from UV exposure and constant contaminant soiling. This video here is one that I have not narrated, but it showcases this concept of a crazy hydrophobic spray sealant on the far right third of the paint, a much less hydrophobic spray sealant towards the middle third, and freshly polished unprotected panel wiped paint on the left third of the hood, left outside during a monster rainstorm, my recording towards the tail end of this storm: th-cam.com/video/-0GcS-lJM2s/w-d-xo.html The beading left behind on the paint is incredibly significant regardless of the different water behaviors when actually flooding the paint. You would need a protectant that actually fully reduces the surface tension of the paint to less than it's freshly polished yet unprotected behavior, which does not exist in the regular detailing market. Our only combat against spotting on healthy clean paint is to avoid the source of the hard water, or keep the car garaged during the rain.
Make sure you’re using a high quality microfiber when you’re buffing this off the paint. If there is a significant residue or film left afterwards, the microfiber might not be effective enough to fully buff this off, leaving that greasy finish. Korean microfibers are better quality, and can more effectively buff off your waxes and polishes so you don’t have that film left behind. Pre wash your microfibers before first use with a microfiber detergent, or something like Tide Free and Clear, and dry without fabric softeners on low to no heat.
You can apply this as often as you like, but you really don't need to in order to get good performance. I would definitely pick up the Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Detailer, use this after your washes, then reapply the Ceramic Liquid Wax in longer intervals.
I stopped using maquires in the UK it can't take our weather conditions and doesn't last longer then 3 weeks if you're lucky in the winter months the ceramic waxs have really poor durability
Dude this is a great point! This is where soaps and surfactant reactions get difficult to fully understand what's going on. The less hydrophobic the surface, the more ability I believe that the cleaning surfactants and possibly additional contaminants have to actually stick to the paint and resist thorough rinsing. So even though Reset is a barebones style of soap, it can still have an ability to drop the surface tension of paint that doesn't still have a decent level of hydrophobic performance.
when you wiped using the same towel from the left coated area to right non coated area u transfered a little from the product which caused this small change
I would definitely disagree with this, especially after the wash with Reset, you're not going to have the ability to pull protection over to opposing sections of the paint. I've run a lot of short term tests using fresh protectants after applying them on each side, then running a single microfiber towel across both sections and this is not going to have any noticeable reaction to pull that protection over and get it to stick on the opposing sections. What is happening here in this video is a general concept that occurs across the board on tired waxes and sealants once you dry the paint using a fresh microfiber towel and then re-rinse.
I haven’t used any of the Autoglym UHD products, they don’t sell those where I’m at in the U.S. but I hear UHD paste wax is phenomenal. Check out the video that Jon at Forensic Detailing did on them.
Yes you can use a DA to apply this one to the paint if you prefer that application. I'm still not sold on Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax though, this one doesn't seem to have the staying power as some other options. Short term is fantastic, but fizzles out a bit too quickly even if it's managing to stick on to the surface to some extent over the months. I need to get my hands on their new Hybrid Paint Coating to test as well. Saw it at the store recently for $60!
Can't go wrong with either as far as quality goes. I think CarPro has some of the best of the best value to performance ratio from CQUK 3.0. Gyeon has some good coatings as well with One, Pure, CanCoat. Mohs I would definitely want to pair this up with a topper like Skin or CanCoat which makes things more expensive. CQUK 3.0 at the price is a tried and true performer that is capable of 2+ years on the paint, with some of the best hydrophobics.
Used this on my Honda city and applied 2 coats on the windscreen and windows.however,hydrophoboc properties are weaker on the windscreen than other parts of the paint with just one coat.could this be because of the surfactants?
I would recommend you try out Griot's Glass Sealant as a substitute. For the front windshield, you really want a glass dedicated protectant because it's more effective at bonding to the glass than your typical waxes and sealants that are more designed to latch onto clearcoat paint, and they'll hold up better with the wipers scraping across it. Even still, I will usually clay and polish the front windshield before applying long-term glass sealants, as the glass can be clogged up with contamination that is difficult to fully remove without polishing abrasives. Applying the glass sealant after polishing the glass will maximize your durability results.
@@WaxMode when you said polish, do you mean compound or polish? I am planning to get either the meguiars ultimate compound or ultimate polish. What would you recommend? I plan on getting just one to use on the body and glass as it'll be too much work to compound then polish then wax for me 😅
FUSSO COAT! If they made Fusso smell like HCLW, I'd use it all day everyday! Fusso is slowing down a little bit on the other test car, could be the bad paint underneath on its way out and failing underneath, I'm planning on washing that one later this week. I'm pretty happy with 4 months durability without topping maintenance, I need to run it next to M27 and do a topping test between Hybrid Ceramic Detailer and Bead Booster.
No comparison, the true ceramic coatings will greatly outlast these types of waxes/sealants/spray protectants. Don't get me wrong, the ceramic coatings need to be maintained for optimal performance, but the rate at which their hydrophobic properties degrade is so much less compared to any other wax/sealant/spray on the market and it's by a long shot unless you're using a poor performing coating. If your detailer is using any reputable brand of coating, it will blow Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax out of the water in performance.
I should have the video for the 3.5 month (16 week) durability update for the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Polish & Wax and Ceramic Spray Coating coming up soon. These are definitely slowing down as well and benefit from that dry microfiber wipe. The Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax so far has been the most impressive in the durability tests of the consumer sio2 infused protectants. I still think this is good longevity performance at this timepoint, 4 months without toppers, if you're maintaining on a regular basis you should be able to get these to last a good amount of time.
Not right. The car needs to be cleaned using a shampoo and wax solution in between waxes. No wax can last 4 months at a time on its own esp for cars parked outdoors, hence why there cheap!
Surprise surprise! Always excited to see a waxmode video pop up.
Thanks illest!
Great follow up, short and sweet! coming from my engineer of three decades, I like your technical way of speaking.. “Surface tension“, love it! Thanks again bud! 👍🏼
Thanks so much! I go overboard on it a lot, sometimes I re-listen to my videos and just laugh at some of the terms that come flying out, like what in the world was I trying to say there!?
As always excellent real world testing. Thanks for the update and can’t wait for the next one always excited to see these products in action.
Thanks Miller! I should have the 3.5 month update for the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Polish & Wax and the Ceramic Spray Coating coming up soon.
4 months for just a wax? Not bad at all. Especially considering that FL heat.
blue one has better durability but this one is better on gloss*
I've always used Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wash and Wax to maintain that base layer. It made it four years and still had amazing water beading. I ultimately tore it all down to claybar, buff, and polish the paint. Now I've redone the Meguair's Hybrid Ceramic Wax (green bottle + applicator) and I'm back to that same maintenance program with it. My paint just looks a little clearer now.
Yes there might be protection on the surface but at least half the fun is the beading and rapid sheeting that we all look for. I used have an Insight but back to a 2017 Civic and then gas mileage is almost the same and better ride. Great videos and love your gloss meter posts on the forums.
I agree Doc, that's why I love the coatings so much! Very easy to keep up on that insane hydrophobic performance and get it to last for years. Looking forward to getting my hands on the new Meguiar's paint coating when they release it to see how it compares to others out there. I've got to jump back on the gloss tests, still working with the Poorboy's Black Hole Glaze, I'll see if I can get some results up later this week.
Thanks for the update. I really love the ceramic detailer as well. And I just got griots 3 and 1 ceramic ready to play with
Oh yeah! Let me know how you like those, Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax proving to be a very durable option, Hybrid Ceramic Detailer proving to be super versatile across the board for maintenance.
WaxMode pretty impressed with the megs ceramic detailer so far. I’ll let u know when I throw the 3n1 on!
This is what I did 3 months ago, Megs M27 Pro Ceramic Sealer then wait 4 hrs., Megs Liquid Ceramic Wax then Hybrid Ceramic Detailer and 6-7 washes later and living in a very hot humid area it’s like I applied it yesterday. It’s easily a once a year stack, I just wish there wasn’t a 4 hr wait between coats. I think I’ll try the Gyeon One next year just because of the 1 hr wait between coats
That's an awesome sounding combo! If you ever get your hands on Bead Booster, let me know how you like that compared to Hybrid Ceramic Detailer, I still haven't picked up M27 or Bead Booster yet. M27 I'm looking for that to be my next purchase, I was going to scoop up some Tac System stuff but they're hounded by the covid delays.
Gyeon One I think is outclassed by CQUK 3.0, I grabbed One very shortly after it was first released and it really lacked that ease of use, it was definitely more tacky to buff off than CQUK 3.0 and CanCoat and CQ Lite, but CQUK 3.0 outperformed it in peak hydrophobic performance. Gyeon One is definitely durable but not user friendly enough to warrant it over even CanCoat in my opinion.
Here is a link to my review of Gyeon One that I posted on the Autopia forum a few years ago: www.autopia.org/forums/detailing-product-reviews/188973-gyeon-impressions-gyeon-booster-testing.html
Great video man!!! 4 months no toppers real world... not shabby if you ask me!! It definitely looks like its still there. Not very strong, however still there! I've yet to use mine and the detailer but I'll be doing them together when I try em. A lot of times I can hold a car for 24 hours then apply so we will see how they react with a 30min cure time of the HCLW then topping with detailer. Always great information when watching your videos man! Hope you had a safe 4th!!🤝🏻👍🏻
I appreciate it brother! Looking forward that video of yours in the future with the topper test. I'm still itching to snag up M27 and Bead Booster, I might run those in a durability test side by side with Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax topped with Hybrid Ceramic Detailer as a pro vs. consumer test. 4th of July was awesome, family is safe from Covid still, very grateful! Hope you had an awesome 4th as well!
@@WaxMode that sounds like a great test!!! Will give a good insider aspect of hey, do they really put that much more thought into the " pro " version of this level.. I'm surprised you haven't gotten it yet😄 glad to hear the family is safe! Safe here as well!
I think part of the reason it isn't durable at 4 months is because of Carpro Reset. That soap is to strong for a wax, it's meant for a ceramic coating, not a wax.
Very nice. You are very good at laying out the facts and clearly explaining. Also glad you pointed out what products you had used on the adjacent sections. I was hoping you would, and you did. Thanks.
One wonders what durability would be like if you had done two coats and used toppers after washings.
Thanks psa! I think with regular maintenance with Hybrid Ceramic Detailer this is going to be a capable system that will easily get people to their next polishing session. Only question would be how well it would be able to hold up during the winter months up north, but down here in Florida it should perform well. CQuartz and Blackfire Pro Ceramic Coating are both holding up!
Great to see true honesty great review
Thanks Juan!
I’m thinking of using this wax and then applying their ultimate quix wax maybe every 2-3 washes to keep that nice shine.
i think the bottle is about 16 oz . Even if you reapply every 2 months you will be fine. i wouldnt worry. great video
Should be able to get years of use out of the bottle!
Hope to see M27 soon! On its own and compared to this!
Really looking forward to testing M27 in the future. I need a Power Lock replacement.
I applied collinite 845 over 4 months ago on my truck and still getting hydrophobic behavior. In my opinion, even though the ceramic wax may still be on that panel, its not repelling water which is part of protecting the paint.
Thanks. Interesting to see. Tend to always use a topper. Haven’t tried it yet. I have a few other products to use b4 trying this one.
These durability tests kill me, takes all of my patience to not top these up on a regular basis with as many toppers as I have on the shelf!
WaxMode trust me your not alone! Right now I have a black Jeep that I wanna polish and UKquartz. But I’m trying see how long green detailer will last. So far 3 weeks with weekly wash.
great analysis thank you for another high quality video
Thanks mujjuman!
I have tried most of Meguiars liquid waxes including this one. I cant get any of them to last over a month. This is with the proper prep and cure time. I keep going back to collinite 845 for the best liquid wax/sealant
Collinite 845 is a great wax. Very good hydrophobic behavior, and on the right paint it goes on crazy easy and buffs out well. For some reason out here in Florida this climate does not like my Collinite waxes as much on this paint. Difficult to get them to not ghost/sweat/haze back over slightly after application, even on a crazy thin application so I haven't pulled them out as much. I used to use Collinite a bunch up in Chicago with good results and so I think the paint type and the climate can play to how well some products perform.
I did a glossmeter test with the Collinite trio last month, all three of these gave off great numbers and were able to match the post-abrasive measurements after the first wash: www.autopia.org/forums/paint-correction-and-gloss-enhancement/191435-comprehensive-gloss-measurement-thread-waxmode-testing-4.html#post2175022
WaxMode im in NC, havent had much trouble with 845 or 476. Im really trying to find something that can last longer but nothing so far can beat collinite durability...really want to try polymer net shield next
@@collk88 If you can correct your paint damn-near flawlessly, and properly apply original Soft99 Fusso Coat, you’ll be in Heaven. Super hard to do, but once on it is unreal how water flies off the car.
Awesome video bro like always!!😎👍🏼
Thanks Tony! What do you have coming up for us on your channel my dude? Looking forward to it!
WaxMode thanks bro I’m trying to make some videos about how to and product recommendations I’m not that good doing those types of videos but I want to try 😁, thanks bro I really appreciate you!! You watching my videos that means a lot to me 🙏
I think I’m gonna stick with my green bottle detailer. I recently bought megs ceramic spray wax and have a short video up of its rain repellency.
That beading looks delicious! See I'm one to wash the paint and get it nice and fresh and ready just because I know the rain is coming, so that I can see the beading in action. Love that F-250 too, such a good looking truck, and a great color!
Yeah that Ceramic Detailer is awesome
Great test !
Me gusta, Meguiars always great products at affordable prices i like your video sir
Thanks,
David C.
So, one of the comments below is "Meguires hybrid ceramic wax is junk", for the price point, Florida weather, and a time period of four months, I don't think this product is junk at all?
Waxmode, With the Megs ceramic detailer being such a good product where do you see their Ultimate detailer and quick wax fitting in the process? Or Does the Ceramic detailer not play well with just their typical Ultimate waxes?
I think the latest Ultimate Quik Detailer is the slickest of the bunch. Hybrid Ceramic Detailer has the best hydrophobics out of the trio, awesome water behavior from this alone without anything underneath. HCD is the best if you want to keep up on HCLW's great hydrophobic behavior.
But the reality is all of these will be able to get the job done across the board if you're using them for maintenance, you can swap over the Ultimate over top of the Hybrid Ceramic products, or use the Hybrid Ceramic Detailer on top of the Ultimate waxes. On the side glass, all three of these are able to maintain insane hydrophobic performance just with regular maintenance.
@@WaxMode I put ult8mate over the ceramic and thought I'd never get it off. Will only use ceramic from now on. My cars are both kept in the garage so the ceram8c should last a while.
Well done!
Ok I was excited to buy more of this stuff cuz it’s $5 at Wally’s and goes on so easy. But if it sucks that bad at beading at 4 months I’ll stick with my turtle wax hybrid ceramic.
Great video buddy tfs
Cheers ONR, hope you and the family are staying safe!
As always, greatly appreciate the effort you put into these videos. Excellent information!
I saw a very interesting test of the Megs Ceramic Liquid Wax stacked on top of the M27 Ceramic Sealant on Apex's channel. The results were quite impressive and I imagine that the durability would be greatly increased. Like you, I love the Megs Ceramic Detailer and am using it as I test the Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1. Do you have any thoughts on/experience with the M27?
Thanks droptop! I've got to check that video out from Brian, I don't think I've seen it yet. I had another viewer down below that also is seeing great results from stacking M27 with HCLW and Hybrid Ceramic Detailer for maintenance. M27 is still on the list to pick up! Amazon had a bit of a waiting list to get it in, now I see they've upped the price a bit to $35. I plan to do some side by side testing with M27 and HCLW in the future!
@@WaxMode I saw M27 on Autoality for $25. (I've been to that shop, good people.)
I've currently used griots 3 in 1 and exited to try this.
McGuire has no uv protection formula. Their words not mine.
Turtle wax chief engineer said theirs does.
I would like to get into UV testing in the future. I saw that statement from Meguiar's: "We do not claim UVA/UVB protection specifically. It does protect against the sun & provides a sacrificial barrier against elements of the environment, like our other waxes/sealants, but again we do not claim UVA/UVB specifically."
I haven't noticed any sun fading on this section of the paint, it has maintained its gloss quite well, and this specific clearcoat is extremely susceptible to UV exposure and fading.
Great update...you mentioned about m210 before waxing...I also remembered on one of your videos that you’ve used griots finishing cream, I’m about to polish my black car, would like to know your recommendation between m210 and griots finishing cream, of which one would give more gloss to a black paint, ive used perfect finish on my last polish and would like to try new product
Thanks Hang Seng! I would actually stick with Sonax Perfect Finish, it's one of the best abrasives on the market and consistently scores top tier in my gloss tests.
Griot's Perfecting Cream is actually about 0.5GU underneath of Perfect Finish on a consistent basis, which really isn't much lower at all but I'm not able to produce the peak gloss measurements out of Perfecting Cream, and it's not quite as easy to buff off compared to Perfect Finish as well. Although, Perfecting Cream is easily the best smelling finishing polish I've used by a long shot. Has a very pleasant smell, and because of that I actually reach for it a lot.
M210 is working great, but I do find myself reaching for Perfect Finish more often. A lot of these finishing polishes are really close in peak gloss measurements, but Perfect Finish's consistent easy wipeoff makes it an excellent choice and that's my recommended abrasive.
WaxMode thanks a lot for your quick reply, in that case I don’t have to seek for more gloss, better stick with sonar, I wonder if there’s any product that would exceed perfect finish😀
Just an enthusiast, but why would you use this over 3D Poxy? Seems like you get same benefits but much longer durability and price is about the same. Thanks for the test
4 months and he died, I am a little disappointed. The blue version in spray is not such better in resistance, suddenly?. In any case good job! 👍
What's going on Nico! I still like the blue Hybrid Ceramic Wax a lot. But I don't like to use that in the hot weather, that can streak on you if you're not working really quick in the sun, and I prefer to take my time and work slow using Hybrid Ceramic Detailer more. But Hybrid Ceramic Wax can be a great maintenance product for this liquid wax as well.
@@WaxMode 👍👌
Old formula Fuso coat "drops the mic"
What hose nozzle is that?! Great video btw👍
Thanks J R! On the pressure washer I have the MTM Hydro SGS-28 gun. I love it, it has a built in swivel that makes maneuvering the hose around the car really simple, no tangling at all.
@@WaxMode thanks!
Is the ultimate liquid wax any better?
Thinking of moving away from these consumer ceramic products for now. Experimented with the Megs Ceramic Detailer, but not the Liquid Wax. Also TW hybrid coating and Wet Wax. Seems like water spots more visible... Maybe just me. Application feels like I am spreading powdered sand mixed in water. Durability and beading don't seem that superior to my vintage sealants.
I binge on a lot of the older products regularly still. Power Lock, DGPS, I had Opti-Seal and my Duragloss trio out recently to play around with as well. Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating and their Ceramic 3-In-1 Detailer can be a bit grabbier to work with on initial application. Updated Ultimate Quik Wax and Quik Detailer I had out today and it's definitely a smoother application compared to many sio2 infused sprays.
As much as I like the additional options and direction that companies have taken to quench the sio2 craze and I've had a ton of fun working with them, I'm definitely not leaving behind the mountain of products that have been around for years that still work exceptionally.
@@WaxMode Well said.
Soooo if I use the ceramic detailer weekly as a drying aid do I even need anything else?
Nope, that combo will get the job done for months and months!
Sorry if this is off topic. Hope you don't mind. I'm planning to strip off my old wax and then use a DA buffer with Turtle Wax Hybrid Ceramic Polish & wax. My question is do I do everything the same on the bumpers which are plastic or whatever that bumper material is? (2007 Buick Lacrosse). Thanks.
@@yanniobkirk5744 Thanks for your reply. Obviously I'm a newbie at this & didn't want to screw something up. The car only has 56K miles on it & has always been garaged so I think it could look really nice if I do it right. Nice shade of Burgundy. Wife's car. Unfortunately the previous owner must have been playing bumper cars a lot cuz the bumpers are really marked up. The painted metal surfaces have PLENTY of what you guys would call defects but I'm hoping to get rid of most or at least some of that. It definitely won't be 100% when I'm done but there is much room for improvement.
I agree with Dan, painted plastic bumpers are going to react great with Ceramic Polish & Wax on the DA polisher. When I was dealing with plastic bumpers on the rotary buffers years back, I always dialed it back a bit to make sure it was reacting well and I would polish this separately than the adjacent metal panels.
Paint on top of plastic can behave differently than paint on top of metal base, and many times they're painted separately compared to the metal panels, but you would never have to worry about this at all with your Ceramic Polish & Wax and the DA polisher. I'm loving Ceramic Polish & Wax with that damp microfiber towel wipe, super slick feeling on the final wipe.
@@WaxMode Thanks for the replies guys.
so after this weekend where my ceramic coated car got irrigation hard water stains but all my family who have straight paint no LSP's at all, all had NO hard water spots....I want sheeting, im done with the beads that cause all my washing headaches.... What would you recommend that sheets?
It's a great question but there are no true hydrophilic paint protectants that I'm aware of that will eliminate the beading issue. Once paint has been cleaned, decontaminated, and polished, it requires external contamination to build up to force a hydrophilic water behavior to occur, so that when it rains or you're hit by a sprinkler bombing the water will actually quickly run flat to prevent beading.
Any product that produces a bit of surface tension on the paint will leave significant beading behind even during a monster rainstorm, I have not seen a single protectant or freshly polished unprotected paint that has eliminated spotting during a rainstorm that wasn't either fully diminished or severely contaminated. The reason everyone else's paint isn't spotting is because they're contaminated enough to run the water fully flat during even a mild rain, but this unprotected and contaminated paint is subject to a higher potential of paint failure from UV exposure and constant contaminant soiling.
This video here is one that I have not narrated, but it showcases this concept of a crazy hydrophobic spray sealant on the far right third of the paint, a much less hydrophobic spray sealant towards the middle third, and freshly polished unprotected panel wiped paint on the left third of the hood, left outside during a monster rainstorm, my recording towards the tail end of this storm: th-cam.com/video/-0GcS-lJM2s/w-d-xo.html
The beading left behind on the paint is incredibly significant regardless of the different water behaviors when actually flooding the paint. You would need a protectant that actually fully reduces the surface tension of the paint to less than it's freshly polished yet unprotected behavior, which does not exist in the regular detailing market. Our only combat against spotting on healthy clean paint is to avoid the source of the hard water, or keep the car garaged during the rain.
Sealant M21 2.0 is sheeting
Mine left a greasy film that attracts fingerprints and dirt. Any idea why that could be?
Make sure you’re using a high quality microfiber when you’re buffing this off the paint. If there is a significant residue or film left afterwards, the microfiber might not be effective enough to fully buff this off, leaving that greasy finish.
Korean microfibers are better quality, and can more effectively buff off your waxes and polishes so you don’t have that film left behind. Pre wash your microfibers before first use with a microfiber detergent, or something like Tide Free and Clear, and dry without fabric softeners on low to no heat.
Nice car... bmw E28 right there?
So what do I do after 4 months? Just apply more wax or do I need to prep the car all over again?
I would reapply this wax after every 2-3 months. Perform your clay and polishing prep after 6-12 months or as needed.
I love this stuff
Have you ever tried power maxed products
oh so you should only apply like every 3months? I apply mine every week. How do i maintain it without reapplying it every week.
You can apply this as often as you like, but you really don't need to in order to get good performance. I would definitely pick up the Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Detailer, use this after your washes, then reapply the Ceramic Liquid Wax in longer intervals.
@@WaxMode Thanks for the tip!
I stopped using maquires in the UK it can't take our weather conditions and doesn't last longer then 3 weeks if you're lucky in the winter months the ceramic waxs have really poor durability
Use Gyeon wet coat for rains
Why use Meguires ceramic detail spray when you know the ceramic wax is junk
All this talk about Reset not leaving anything behind?????
Dude this is a great point! This is where soaps and surfactant reactions get difficult to fully understand what's going on. The less hydrophobic the surface, the more ability I believe that the cleaning surfactants and possibly additional contaminants have to actually stick to the paint and resist thorough rinsing. So even though Reset is a barebones style of soap, it can still have an ability to drop the surface tension of paint that doesn't still have a decent level of hydrophobic performance.
WaxMode thanks for the explanation!
when you wiped using the same towel from the left coated area to right non coated area u transfered a little from the product which caused this small change
I would definitely disagree with this, especially after the wash with Reset, you're not going to have the ability to pull protection over to opposing sections of the paint. I've run a lot of short term tests using fresh protectants after applying them on each side, then running a single microfiber towel across both sections and this is not going to have any noticeable reaction to pull that protection over and get it to stick on the opposing sections.
What is happening here in this video is a general concept that occurs across the board on tired waxes and sealants once you dry the paint using a fresh microfiber towel and then re-rinse.
@waxmode how does this compare to the autoglym uhd wax or uhd ceramic ?
I haven’t used any of the Autoglym UHD products, they don’t sell those where I’m at in the U.S. but I hear UHD paste wax is phenomenal. Check out the video that Jon at Forensic Detailing did on them.
That stuff is not worth a crap by itself but put it on top of Meguiar's Ultimate wax and it's excellent.
Interesting, I may definitely have to try this out on top of the Ultimate Paste Wax!
Washing without using shampoo is the same as lying
Could i apply this wax with a black pad on a DA polisher?
Yes you can use a DA to apply this one to the paint if you prefer that application. I'm still not sold on Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax though, this one doesn't seem to have the staying power as some other options. Short term is fantastic, but fizzles out a bit too quickly even if it's managing to stick on to the surface to some extent over the months. I need to get my hands on their new Hybrid Paint Coating to test as well. Saw it at the store recently for $60!
@@WaxMode I don’t waxing my car 4 times a year. Hopefully that hybrid thing will give me a deeper gloss.
Just bought a new car which should I use car pro or gyeon
Can't go wrong with either as far as quality goes. I think CarPro has some of the best of the best value to performance ratio from CQUK 3.0. Gyeon has some good coatings as well with One, Pure, CanCoat. Mohs I would definitely want to pair this up with a topper like Skin or CanCoat which makes things more expensive. CQUK 3.0 at the price is a tried and true performer that is capable of 2+ years on the paint, with some of the best hydrophobics.
Used this on my Honda city and applied 2 coats on the windscreen and windows.however,hydrophoboc properties are weaker on the windscreen than other parts of the paint with just one coat.could this be because of the surfactants?
I would recommend you try out Griot's Glass Sealant as a substitute. For the front windshield, you really want a glass dedicated protectant because it's more effective at bonding to the glass than your typical waxes and sealants that are more designed to latch onto clearcoat paint, and they'll hold up better with the wipers scraping across it. Even still, I will usually clay and polish the front windshield before applying long-term glass sealants, as the glass can be clogged up with contamination that is difficult to fully remove without polishing abrasives. Applying the glass sealant after polishing the glass will maximize your durability results.
@@WaxMode okay thanks for the tip👌👌
@@WaxMode when you said polish, do you mean compound or polish? I am planning to get either the meguiars ultimate compound or ultimate polish. What would you recommend? I plan on getting just one to use on the body and glass as it'll be too much work to compound then polish then wax for me 😅
Seems very weak to me, 4 months and to me it looks pretty much gone. Soft 99 fusso Coat looked better than this for me after 12 months.
FUSSO COAT! If they made Fusso smell like HCLW, I'd use it all day everyday! Fusso is slowing down a little bit on the other test car, could be the bad paint underneath on its way out and failing underneath, I'm planning on washing that one later this week. I'm pretty happy with 4 months durability without topping maintenance, I need to run it next to M27 and do a topping test between Hybrid Ceramic Detailer and Bead Booster.
@@WaxMode Haha yeah Fusso is amazing, bitch to apply but worth the effort.
this DIY vs a ceramic coating at a detailer?
No comparison, the true ceramic coatings will greatly outlast these types of waxes/sealants/spray protectants. Don't get me wrong, the ceramic coatings need to be maintained for optimal performance, but the rate at which their hydrophobic properties degrade is so much less compared to any other wax/sealant/spray on the market and it's by a long shot unless you're using a poor performing coating.
If your detailer is using any reputable brand of coating, it will blow Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax out of the water in performance.
Would you recommend using this ceramic liquid on top of a professional ceramic coating as "maintenance"? Or overkill?
Good info but a little too much info
Smurf first!!!!
Yeah buddy!!!!
Disappointed, even turtle wax has gone longer
I should have the video for the 3.5 month (16 week) durability update for the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Polish & Wax and Ceramic Spray Coating coming up soon. These are definitely slowing down as well and benefit from that dry microfiber wipe. The Griot's Ceramic 3-in-1 Wax so far has been the most impressive in the durability tests of the consumer sio2 infused protectants.
I still think this is good longevity performance at this timepoint, 4 months without toppers, if you're maintaining on a regular basis you should be able to get these to last a good amount of time.
i had higher expectations lol
Not right. The car needs to be cleaned using a shampoo and wax solution in between waxes. No wax can last 4 months at a time on its own esp for cars parked outdoors, hence why there cheap!
Kind of overthinking stuff,don't you think!!!??? SMH!!
For product testing? I would say yes, overthink it to provide thorough analysis.
@@WaxMode SAY WHAT???? GAWWWWD. WHATEVER YOU SAY.....
The truth about their products is they are over priced and inferior. I have had similar results.
Talk slowly.
SLOW DOWN playback speed.
Poor, really poor