Naked Mormonism
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2018
- "Secular Mormon" Bryce Blankenagel speaks with Seth Andrews about the dark and often bloody foundations of the Mormon church.
Bryce's page: nakedmormonismpodcast.com
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The Massachusetts Bay Colony was just as theocratic and infamous as was Early Mormonism was. Both CLEARLY show why the state and the church MUST BE SEPARATE...ALWAYS.
Preach, brotha!
I was a True Blue Mormon convert for over 40 years, until I was presented with the very information, plus much more, mentioned in this video. I do not refer to myself as Ex-Mormon, because I see that as a negative identification. I am a human being living this life and learning whatever I can to be happy and fulfilled. After I resigned my membership, I felt as if I had a huge load lifted from my back. There IS life after Mormonism. AND, as someone who would have been considered an apostate under Brigham Young, at least today I don't have to worry about having my throat slit!
40 years of confusion and weakness has left the church...have fun in the wilderness. Thanks for leaving on your own so we didn't have to throw your weak ass out.
As a former Mormon (I resigned in 2005!), I appreciate his presentation of the history. Most Mormons don't read history! The one missing detail which he did not present was the Masonic influence and practices incorporated within the Church's development in the 1830's and on. If Masonry had not been adopted by these founding men, the Church would have remained more fundamental in Christian dogma and practice. The LDS Church, because of Masonry, become a bastardized Christian sect. Polygamy, as well as Patriarchy, was the disease which caused so much fracturing within its history. Thanks to Joseph Smith, many millions of minds are polluted today!
It's ridiculous. My brother in law was raised Mormon and I was talking about how Joe Smith had married an ancestor of ours when she was only 15. My BIL said "But Joseph Smith didn't marry multiple women. He was just married to Emma". It's infuriating.
I am an ex mormon and it is good to see someone airing the churches dirty laundry. I think they are some scary people.
And the Mormon Cult Church has LOTS OF DIRTY LAUDRY TO AIR.
Strange. The mind can be bent to anything. To be comfortable. Secular Smurfism. For the culture. Love my Smurfs.
Peter Pan's Peanut Butter- 100% pans(contains no peanuts.)
LOVE this!!!
@@yadabub Or 100% Peters!!
I knew my great, great, great grandfather Parley Pratt did some terrible things, but I didn't know the mountain meadows massacre was his idea until now. I've never been so deeply ashamed.
its ok Ryan, it wasn't you. my family as well were involved in the mountain meadows massacre right along side with pratt and all my family, both sides are still mormon. ive been an atheist since i was 15, im now 51. im the only atheist in my family.
We all have unrepentant a$$holes in our family's past.
Mine is a guy who family story said was a childhood friend of George Washington. He was burned st the stake my native Ohioans. Poor guy...
I later learned from a Native source the guy had earlier kidnapped and killed a cheif's daughter and wife. Yikes!
The greatest moment in a young person's life is the moment they say "I am not my father" and opens the door to surpass him.
So sickening, I wish every mormon knew their own history.
Religion.. Creating hell on earth since it's conception.
Its inception* you mean
Good thing Jesus wasn't religious...the "religious" people (Pharisees and Sadducees) killed Him :(
vegasflyboy67 absolutely
@@hamzaelbezzaf8881 Good luck correcting the comments in TH-cam, without going insane!
@@qawahbeautyllc9233 in reality, the way Jesus is portrayed in the gospels, he would have made a great Pharisee. Someone clearly held a grudge against those groups.
One does not simply WALK into Mormador!
Troubleshooter125
I was hoping someone would do that. LOL
Well ... someone DID! [chortle!]
Atheism: One free-thinking mind to rule them all and in the brightness enlighten them.
thank you seth, i finally was open and honest, I told my brother i was an Atheist, only down side is i was told to move cuz i was satans pawn how he put it, i was told i would be condemned to hell, i moved with my brother cuz i wanted to be with family, well yea, i am disabled even barely ablle to walk but my brain works, so i am moving to michigan from texas, friends taking me in to help me, hopefully i find somewhere i feel i belong
Jesse McGaha, I am sorry for your situation. Your brother doesn't really act like a Christian, huh? Does he think that is what Jesus would do? Does he think Jesus will welcome him to heaven after he has kicked his own brother out of his home? Man, it's really sad to see how religion breaks families apart!
Stay strong, Jesse, and best wishes.
thank you and best wishes to u too
Pat, there never were a "jesus". Grow up, it is a fairy tale.
Critic (al) uh he was talking like a brain washed. pretty sure pat is woke when it comes to jesus
Reinzz Chat Trap if you have herniated disc, can get over by prolonged, light, traction crutches to get around
As one who was born and raised in Mormonism or the Mormon church, I can vouch that it is not only the religion that is harmful and toxic in so many ways. But the followers as well can be and tend to be just as toxic and harmful.
They can be extremely abusive, vindictive, judgmental, bias, spiteful, prejudiced, and pretty much hateful.
I directly experienced it from the whole Mormon church community I had grown up knowing. Even those I did not ever meet or know, had made attempts to attack or come after me, by even using threats upon family to get at me.
Sorry, but not sorry. I know how bad they can be, even those in church leadership.
My fathers side of family were involved in the churches historicity with Joseph Smith and others since the beginning. They pride themselves with all the letters and correspondences they have from him and others.
I just do eye rolls at the Mormon church talk .
I was born & raised In Salt Lake City - though not a Mormon. I've always been fascinated by and do know a lot about Mormonism but Bryce Blankenagel really knows his stuff. I will make it a point to listen to Bryce's past & future podcasts on the topic!
I was raised LDS and always thought the church's own narrative of it's history was very interesting. After I stopped believing and learned more, I found the real history was a whole other level of interesting!
That awkward moment when you find out your family was once so Mormon that they knew Brigham Young personally... glad we got out long before my generation. We're not religious at all now.
So you are not a mormon.
Hey! Mine too!
Ancestry is wild. I knew my great, great, great grandfather Parley did some terrible things, but I didn't know the mountain meadow massacre was his idea until now. I've never been so deeply ashamed.
As someone who has dealt with the FLDS and because of this studied the LDS history, I was absolutely shocked at how little LDS members know about the history of the church. If they know about the history of the church it is often a sterilized version presented by the church. An example is that plural marriage happened because of the trip out west and the many men who were killed necessitated the surviving men to take multiple wives. This is a very common belief by LDS members and if presented with the truth I am told that it is propaganda from the days of Mormon persecution.
I've said before and I'll say it here. The LDS church should be studied by anyone interested in theology. It presents an opportunity to see the evolution that all religions go through. It is documented in a "information age" and we can observe it's progression from a cult to accepted religion. The leaders and the crafting of their power, cult of personality, to watering down of their beliefs and "embarrassing" past to something palatable. How isolation allowed the church to grow and become more mainstream as they gained more political power.
It is amazing to see it all happen essentially in our time. The analogies with Christianity and Islam are there but not just in an abstract historical form but in a real tangible and unfiltered presentation.
"This is a very common belief by LDS members "
It is a myth, utter nnsense, and never taught by the church.
Islam is not quite the same, the issue of white western attempts at domination which include the white race supremacy card, caused and is causing Islamic reaction
I'm reminded of the first time I read "A Study in Scarlet" (the first Sherlock Holmes story) in which the bad guys of the backstory are the early Mormon church in Utah, and thinking that Doyle gave a very distorted and negative impression of them. The more I learn about the real history of the Mormon church, the more I think that Doyle was a lot nicer to them than they deserved.
Yeah , we tend to think of mormons as these nice wholesome people , but they massacred a lot of settlers that were moving out west.
@@cullenarthur8879 Read "about the Mountain Meadows Massacres. Here they proved their capacity for causing others to shed blood.
@@cullenarthur8879 Not only did they massacre settlers, they tried to get indigenous people blamed for the massacres, which in turn caused indigenous people to be slaughtered. Fuck the Mormon Church.
@@mikepanick468 Momons own approximately 80% of KFCs in the USA...
The more i learn about religious history, the mire i wonder why people think religion, any religion is peaceful...
They have to be peaceful when they have no political power.
Check out what the Lutheran World Federation do around the world.
Atheism isn't necessarily peaceful either. The majority of U.S. mass shootings are committed by atheists, that's a fact, look it up. This is despite atheists representing less than 10% of the population.
@@rs72098 What is your source?
Fun fact: Joseph Smith was convicted of being a "disorderly person" and an "imposter" on March 20, 1826 in Bainbridge, Chenango County, New York state.
I just realised why the ship in The Expanse is called the Nauvoo!
Glad to find this. Love his appearances on MythVision.
I visited Utah last year, and Salt Lake City genuinely creeped me out a bit...
I keep hearing "bring-em young"
I really like your closing statement, I agree 💯 persent.Sometimes it seems that we're going backwards but progress continues sometimes fast sometimes slow.
OH MY WORD the Mormon Corridor!? Morridor?!?!? GENIUS!!!!
Quite an interesting listen. I am always interested to learn more about the Mormons.
Having attended Lakeland Community College in Mentor, Ohio, I was exposed to the Mormon sect that remained in Lake County. The Kirtland Temple is just down the road from the campus, but I don't think it was used as a center of worship by the group who tried to convert me and my "counter culture" friends. This was around 1972. It was my impression that this group held their services in the homes of group members and that the Temple is owned by a different sect.
There were two brothers who signed up for a class or two each term so they had legitimate right to be on campus. They really tried hard to gain converts. We went to their homes, saw slide shows of Mayan and Aztec art that the Saints (they did not like to be called Mormons) believed proved that Jesus Christ visited the New World after his resurrection but before the ascension, to preach to the descendants of two of the Lost Tribes of Israel. Oh yeah, did you know that some of the Native Americans came to the New World after the fall of the Tower of Babel? And then more came from Palestine around the time the Assyrians destroyed the Kingdom of Israel?
These two brothers spent at least six months trying to convert our group of friends. I suspect they thought that hippies would be the most open minded and likely to be potential converts. Sadly they failed to win a single convert. They were always welcome to join us on campus when we would hang out, but since they did not smoke or drink or use drugs (or so they claimed) they did not socialize with us other than on campus or during their conversion efforts at their homes. I did get a free copy of the Book of Mormon, the edition used by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Reorganized. My friends emphasized that they were not part of the Reorganized Church, that there was a difference if the word Reorganized came first or last. They of course claimed that THEIR version of the faith was the original and true version. Whatever.
In any event, the story behind the religion was zany and I could not understand how any rational person could believe it. It was so obviously made up. But the book was an interesting and fun read. The Saints who I met were all very friendly, very scrubbed, industrious, and seemed to be genuinely good people. I am glad I met them and learned something about them way back when. I will have to check out Bryce's site.
Thank you, Seth.
Most Mormons are decent people. I've traveled across the states numerous times, and out of the states 3 times to two different countries. Compared to the other states, Utah has an incredibly friendly and community centric culture that I am quite happy to attribute to the Mormons, and their sense of civic responsibility.
That being said, I wish the fuckin' church would stop screwing around with the legalization of medical marijuana here, and that they'd stop messing with the alcohol here. I'm not Mormon, though I am descended from some original high up pioneer families, and I hate the fact that there is *no* separation of church and state here.
I graduated from Kirtland High in ‘72 and as I understood it, a different division(?) of the Mormons wanted to get a hold of that temple from the other division. The new group built a new house of worship down the hill in the valley from the Kirtland Temple. They new group also started buying the old little houses from the old temple. There were stories of little old widows having two gentlemen in their white shirt, narrow blue tie uniforms knock on her door to make her a high offer on her house. Shortly afterwards another pair of Mormons would appear at her door with another offer.
The Kirtland temple was beautiful though back then
Fantastic show. One of the best ever. One of the best guest ever. The most educated on his subject and great story teller. Love your show Seth.
I wish Bryce would've told us more about what specifically about the mormon culture he still likes and identifies with.
It sounds like he just wants to keep his friends. IMO, the idea of a "secular" theist is simply absurd.
Well, he calls himself a "secular mormon", which means the is a retarded uninteresting liar.
It's a closed white enclave. He probably likes the white privilege.
Wow! Someone who's remembering Kirkland Ohio! Palmyra gets mentioned, Missouri gets mentioned, Ohio usually gets forgotten.
Great that this young man is walking his own route. We all have our path towards atheism and the rebuild of our lives surrounding that fact.
I went criss-cross through christian denominations and different religions, but I'm still rooted in christianity. Christmas and Easter are the only holidays I celebrate, not Eid ul-Adha or the birthday of Bahá'u'lláh.
I changed the meaning of these holidays to fit my convictions and connect them to the seasons. Maybe it's so easy because christianity stole them in the first place 😂.
Joan Groeneveld Remember the reason for the season... winter solstice!
I understand ... to a point. I could consider myself a secular pagan. I was born into Roman Catholicicm, and I've experienced a variety of religions in my life. Paganism was my last ditch effort to believe before I accepted the fact that I was an atheist. My husband and I met during the festival of Beltaine. I enjoyed the people, the (vast) variety of traditions and their historical relevance. And mostly, it was plain fun. Drinking, dancing, revelry. I never believed in any pantheon, but I could relate to nature = God(dess) = nature. Eventually I succumbed to what I was. An atheist. But I miss the drum circles, dancing naked around a fire into the early hours of the morning. Just being a part of it all.
I'm a secular Christian! Ridiculous right? Come on man. Secular Mormon???
Ridiculous.
Thank the gods!!! I'm an anti theist.
Great conversation!
That last thought from Bryce is so important! 👌
Brigham Young is to Joseph Smith as David Miscavage is to LRH.
Great interview Seth! I'll be checking out the naked mormon podcast...☺
Dear Ivy Baby 66: With a title like that -- you'll never miss it.
great interview. what knowledge the secular morman has. How brave he asked the questions that could not be answered trutfully...
Dear Samantha Lyons: I saw the title thumbnail. This tested my turgidity: I clicked; My concupiscence was unbearable.
Wow! Lots of fascinating and sad truths.
Oh good! I'm glad he mentioned Sam Young's Protect LDS Children movement!
I like that term. I’m a secular Catholic. I think it it means you take the best parts of the culture you grew up with, while dismissing the belief in God. I still strive to be the best person I can be, and constantly challenge myself to be the best I can be. My family celebrates Christmas and practice Lent. I’m married young, had children, became a SAHM, and will never resort to divorce. These are the parts of my culture that bring happiness and meaning to my life. I’m also a lesbian biochemist and don’t believe in life after death. Thanks for giving me the term “secular” Catholic. I’m happy for you that you still enjoy and celebrate the positive aspects of the the culture you were raised in.
I completly agree that education is the most powerful weapon to change the world.
Unfortunatly this is a fact that religion has known for way longer than we which is why they always try to either hinder any education efforts or, if they can no longer stop education, to take it over. Religion has always known the way to increase believers is to get them while they are young or desperate and ideally both.
What we need to increase is not only education, but especialy education in critical thinking.
Christianity and islam inhibited early scientific study or outright squealched it, delaying the appearance of modern science and technology a thousand years!
Brigham Young btw sounds like a Muslim - am I right people? (45:22) And is he one of the crazies tearing down historical statues? Ugly history should be preserved, even if only to serve as a cautionary tale.
I like this guest .
The dead giveaway should be the BoM's Shakespearean (King James Bible) English used in supposedly having translated the Golden Plates in the 1800s. The King James Bible is equally full of shit, but that it was translated into contemporaneous Shakespearean English because it was the COMMON English of its day-the SIXTEEN, not eighteen, hundreds. Joseph's Myth was "translated" into King James English in the eighteen hundreds to serve his narrative that the BoM is "another Testament". People of many Christian backgrounds say "grace" and other prayers in King James English. They think it makes them sound pious, but all I think is, "Wait, is this Act 2/Scene2 'The Tempest'?"
It makes them sound like frickin' idiots. I've been reading Shakespeare since I was 8, and hearing the improper use of "thee's, thy's, thou's" thrown into modern day vernacular in Mormon prayers is just as ear grittingly heinous as large lego blocks scraped across linoleum flooring (worse than nails on a chalk board)
i was raised in the mormon church, sealed to my parents and brother in the utah temple when i was 4yrs old. i never believed from an early age. it never made sense to me . by the time i was about 15 i was an atheist but still went to church because of my mom. im now 51 yrs old and im the only atheist in my family and outside of my immediate family. my mom gets mad when i ask for proof. lol . she was also indoctrinated, born into the church. Mormons, in my experience, seem to be the most hypocritical of all the christian sects out there. and btw, my father was also a mason and as an older child i was a demolay, which i enjoyed very much. i am also of decent of people who were with jo and brig. so yeah, mormonism is strong in my family since the beginning of the religion
For anyone that find this fascinating should watch a channel called Myth Vision that has a series called Joseph Smith with Bryce and an other historian. It gives amazing insight to the early days of the LDS faith
Yes !!! That was a great series ,I've watched it several times .
Myth Vision Podcast .
@@82566 it really was. It is amazing how much they managed to find out about the charlatan JS. Anyone one that is LDS and listening to these episodes, really should have that much on their shelf that it will buckle. That is of course if they just don’t say that they are anti Mormon 🙄and that they are spreading misinformation about JS.
Wow! The info, interesting.... I will be checking out the Naked Momonism for more. Thank you, I enjoyed it very much.
I guess it's similar to Muslims as well. But I don't call myself a secular Muslim or an ex-Muslim. I just say (if it happens to come up) that I was raised Muslim. But, then again, I'm not trying to "reach" other Muslims. I'm just living my life.
Decent history lesson, but a lot was left off the table. For instance, not only was Joseph Smith a Freemason, but Brigham Young was 32nd degree Freemason, as well.
In fact, the first five Latter-day “prophets” were Freemasons (Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, and Lorenzo Snow).
Here’s where it gets interesting... Albert Pike was a 33rd degree Freemason, himself.
Here’s what he has to say:
“That which we must say to the crowd is: we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (Jesus)... culminate (spread false and harmful statements about) him? Yes, Lucifer is God.”
*A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et I’Enfant dans la
Franc-Maçonnèrie Universelle (page 588).
Manly P. Hall was a 33rd degree Freemason, as well.
He writes:
“When the Mason learns that the key... is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands.”
-The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, (p. 78).
Having brought that to light- Mormonism is a secret cult with a Christian facade. Mormon temples are littered with Masonic occult symbols and pentagrams. Not only do they believe that Lucifer is Jesus’ brother, they also believe that they can become gods- which of course, contradicts scripture...
Isaiah 43:10
before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
They also use Joseph Smith’s “revelations” and the Book of Mormon in an attempt to squeak by with their heretical theology, but that also contradicts scripture they claim to ascribe to...
Galatians 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Ciao
Fascinating.
Most active Mormons avoid anything that would tarnish their perfect image of Mormonism and its not so perfect history. If you are Mormon you really have to ask yourself the question, " Does the good in the religion outweigh the bad? ". For a lot of Mormons selective ignorance is bliss, and it is more than just a religion, it is a social circle comprised of friends and family with a standard set of values that on the surface look pretty good, but on individual level you find that your best will never good enough and that it is impossible to be perfect, witch can leave you feeling a little flawed. One of the things that I noticed about the church that really bothered me was its lack of accountability. The church has never admitted to any wrong doing at any level at anytime in its history, instead it shifts the blame to members by saying " The church is perfect, but our members are not ". For most people raised in the church any doubts or lack of faith that everything that they tell you is the truth, feels like a failure on your part, and most feel ashamed that they would even question it.
Many Christian denominations do not want to expose their own dark and checkered history == burning heretics at the stake, Salem witch trials, supporting slavery and segregation, etc. They want to point their fingers elsewhere == "Don't look at our history."
True
Ironic that they provide so much data on people’s family trees. It’s truly amazing how much data they have.
46:54 Nice Mormador/Mordor reference, Seth.
I'm honestly trying to get through this...but it's hard and hurting my brain. As an agnostic atheist living in Utah, but who grew up in Mormonism (confirmed, baptized, and sealed to my wife in the temple), I find his labeling dodgy and off putting. Personally, I don't try to play word games. I am an ex-Mormon because I don't believe in the tenants anymore. It is the person's responsibility who hears this to do with it as they like. I don't need to feel accepted by the society that surrounds the LDS church and I'm not going to throw softballs to make them accept me...that includes my religious family members. Besides, here in Salt Lake City, there is plenty of people who don't believe and they are just as good people. We also have micro-brews, distilleries, and strip clubs, so there are lots of people with different interests. So I'm sorry that I am tapping out early and things may get addressed better latter (or should I say ladder?) on. But I hate playing semantics to be accepted or start conversations.
losttribe3001 its just labels. Some people want to help the Mormons that would be receptive if we taylored our language to fit their comfort zones. I value building bridges more than what language I use to convey the same damn ideas. Apparently your values are vice-versa.
Tim Pieper Your comment confuses me. My values being vice-versa? I didn't get into my values. The only value I espoused was that I don't like to pussyfoot around "just labels". So I don't get what you are getting at? Do you think I go around attacking people's beliefs with a chip on my shoulder? Are you jumping to a conclusion of who I am as a person? Based on your biases and my one comment? Are you presupposing I am out to cause problems?
WhipperJesus It's actually a thing I keep hearing in Utah. In fact my dad uses "I'm a cultural Mormon". But he's an atheist like me. So I wonder if something they heard somewhere and adapted it??
losttribe3001 I’m going based on what you told me. You’d apparently avoid “pussyfooting” (nice poisoning the well there), at the cost of being receivable to some Mormons. Well good for you. Some of us want to be more accessible to our fellow indoctrinated human beings.
Tim Pieper Thanks for clarifying, but you're dead wrong about me and how I handle people of faith. You clearly jump to conclusion easily.
The Mormons, the JW's, and the Seventh Day Adventists all came from the same origins, namely the Burned-Over district of western New York
I hear they have their own special underwear..... I want some!
They do Mormon porn now lol
Rembrandt They do. It's called Mormon Girlz. I've seen it. They must have bought the Mormon undergarments at one of the LDS stores.
They do Mormon Boyz too 😂 that's a must see
Rembrandt you do understand the both of you are killing me 😳😂😂😂😂
Richunix Unix 😅
I have a great friend who is a Mormon. He and is wife still practice the faith while all three of there children are now atheist. I guess thy would be secular Mormons also.
Their children, not there children!
Thank you Seth. I learn so much from you.
Dear Clara Smith: I clicked because of the title thinking that this was another naturist sect of the organization.
Bryce started talking about the nose to the grind stone mentality the Mormons had...reminds me of a joke:
So a man dies and goes to heaven. St. Peter meets him on the gates to give him a tour. Heaven is jut as glorious as the man thought it would be, so he starts walking around ahead of St. Peter. He gets to a cliff and looks down and sees an equally lush, beautiful paradise at the base of the cliff. St. Peter sees him looking down the cliff, and he yells out "Hey! No you don't wanna look down there! That's hell, that's where people burn for eternity. Looking down there will ruin your time here".
The man responds "But it's not burning. There's orchards, and gardens, and irrigation and houses and it looks really really really nice" St. Peter comes over and looks down at the base of the cliff. He heaves a sigh and says "Goddammit, the Mormons have been irrigating again."
🤣🤣
He's afraid to say that he is an "X-Mormon?" Even with what he knows about the violent, racist, genocidal roots of Mormonism (not to mention the crimes of Joseph Smith) he still hangs around those deluded bigots?
The word for him is Sick Sister. It's not courage that he learned, it is a whole new level of guilt.
It's like die hard atheists that receive publicly-funded research funds (Niel Tyson), or are in the public eye frequently who on air wax more agnostic, or Richard Dawkins who now in his later years will not admit certainty of God's nonexistence. They knowingly take the edge off, realizing the active discrimination and ignorance of uneducated obsessed religionists.
The irony of organized religion...
I've heard the term "cultural Catholic" and suggest the same for you in place of "secular."
Yay
If I'm not mistaken, women are put down in Mormonism, as they are in other Christian religions. Yet, I believe females are the mainstay behind most christian religions
Now, I am a former baptized Member of the Church, a convert. But not an atheist. I was trying to be a Mormon, until I saw a few Alan Watts videos. I quit after that.
I would say he is confusing some terms. He might call himself a "cultural mormon".
"Secular mormon" would just wanted to have church and state separated, and state to stay neutral in questions of faith.
He calls Joseph Smith a prophet... I guess that's another way to spell con man.
This needs to be a movie. Like a scared straight level movie.
With the internet more people are leaving it. I'm disaffected, and younger people are more educated and culturally inclusive.
This guy wants his cake and eat it too.
Build me an army worthy of Mormodor!
Thanks for your time and efforts in broadcasting your piece. I think you recap the history once again, you will see their exodus and persecution from the mobs and government of the day from Palmyra to Nauvoo that lead them to Utah.
that was very interesting
R u an atheist or a Mormon, no in between.
Makes no sense
Clara smith culturally, he sees himself as having Mormon aspects, whereas belief-wise, he’s an atheist. He explained that.
@@timpieper5293 still makes no sense
Kelly Dalstok Culture and beliefs aren’t identical concepts. What doesn’t make sense to you?
does a "Secular Mormon" still wear the magic underwear?
I love saying to evangelicals that the Book of Mormon is the Bible 3.0. Then watch them go through the roof. They start telling me that Mormonism is a cult LOL If they could only see themselves.
at midnight mormons...
Quick note: At 22:35 Bryce says Beaver Island is in Wisconsin, actually it is in Michigan.
Once I learned the real history- I left 😢 so ashamed!
Morridor? I prefer to think of it as Mordor, with apologies to John Ronald Reuel Tolkien CBE FRSL.
How about we stop tearing down statues in general? They're fucking awesome.
He had good points right up until he mentioned the 2nd ammendment.
I am an Ex-Mormon Atheist as well, but I cringe at the idea of a "Secular Mormon." You can say you are a fan of Utah Culture - but I feel like something as scummy as Mormonism should die, not evolve. With that said, I am really skeptical of the more extreme claims of this guy. Mormonism may be stupid, but genocidal? That seems like a stretch.
There are aspects of Mormonism that I think contributed directly towards the good parts of the culture here in Utah. Like, I've been through a ton of the continental United States, and have visited India and Ireland. Utah is the second friendliest place I've ever seen (rural Ireland was the first. You can't beat the Irish when it comes to friendly, helpful and easy going-ness), and I think that's a direct result of the Mormon focus on family, community and civic responsibility.
Not really. The Indians were truly under attack due to the superior weapons of the whites
I ONCE KNEW A MERMAID THAT WAS A MORMON, SHE LOOKED LIKE ETHEL MERMAN AND SHE WORKED A A MAIL MAN
SO much nervous laughter. It comes across as disingenuous.
Bryce is having an identity crisis. He can't quite pull all the way out of the cult.
Even if you throw out the truth claims of the religion that still leaves the door wide open for a whole lot of bigoted Behavior. If you don't follow the tenets of their beliefs I don't understand why you would want to identify with them I'm not saying you can't have Mormon friends or family but by identifying with them it's the same as endorsing them. Just replace the word Mormonism with oh I don't know say the KKK or neo-nazism then maybe you will see why it sounds so ridiculous to identify with them
Mormonism. Proving mob rule and vigilante justice can be a good thing.
Shards, glass, flour, smart evil.
It's interesting seeing the comments so hung up on the "Secular mormon" label.
IMO, culture can mean many, many things.
I'm an American culturally, even tho I'm not of the "AMERICA: FUCK YEAH" gun toting variety.
I'm black and black culturally, but I don't speak AAVE or listen to much "black" music because I'm also culturally a metalhead.
and TBH kinda culturally goth too. (Siouxsie on thru Voltaire kinda goth.)
No one is of any ONE culture, at least no one who isn't raised in an EXTREMELY controlling brainwashed level of indoctrination.
If someone wishes to say they're "Culturally mormon" viewing, perhaps, importance on being honest and friendly and whatever as things they see as culturally mormon, but doesn't believe in the deities....WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT BOTHER YOU?
Why do people care so fucking much what others label themselves?
Seriously it's no different than complaining "You can't call yourself a superhero fan because you don't buy comics every Wednesday."
Moron. People know what the words mean, and they react to stupid people like you who doesn't have a clue. Nobody has the right to label themselves, stupid.
Well said.
"Secular Mormon" I like that. I think for the most part, that title fits me too.
Nope. No such thing exists. You are either a psychotic theist, or not.
Posted above, it makes more sense here...
I have watched people in deep pain go through the pure hatred phase of ex-mormonism. It sounds to me that you have claimed your own authority and been able to move past that, accepting and rejecting elements of mormonism on your own terms. As far as I'm concerned, there's no issue with you acknowledging yourself as having mormon heritage but doing so on your own terms. Sunstone mormon, jack-mormon, TBM, fundamentalist mormon, independent mormon, excommunicated mormon, post-mo, never-mo, NOM, Reorganized Mormon, Temple Lot Mormon ... as LHP and Sunstone put it, "there are many ways to mormon." It's BS that the SLC/Brighamite branch try to claim the label. As long as you've claimed your own authority and are not under the mind control of Russ Nelson&Co, label yourself however you want! It sounds like you're in a healthy place for you :)
That's such a ridiculous straw man argument.
You're either A or B, ABSOLUTELY NO IN BETWEEN! YOU'RE ON MY SIDE OR YOU'RE MY ENEMY, NO IN BETWEEN. Such a tribalistic attitude. Grow up.
You can't honestly tell me there's no difference between a strong conservative Christian and a progressive, liberal Christian. Between someone who uses their faith to mistreat other and someone who uses their faith to help others.
Secular Mormonism, much like secular Jews, is a moniker used for people who grew up in those religions to acknowledge where they came from but accept that they no longer believe in their religion.
The Mormons aren't a people or a race it's a religion if you are an ex Mormon you're just an ex Mormon or maybe a foreman😋 but there's no such thing as secular Mormonism. A secular Jew is still a Jew just one without a adherence to a religion. Next you'll be climbing you can be a secular African American( even though I'm not black I was raised by them and appreciate their culture) that's complete nonsense
I knew they were nutjobs, but... geez.
"Secular Mormon"? Jesus...
Brigham young or bring him young...easier brain wash them..
I enjoyed the interview and Bryce's Naked Mormonism podcasts are entertaining, but for Bryce to call himself a "Secular Mormon" who identifies with the Mormon culture and Mormon language is like calling a woodpecker a carpenter. Bryce tears down and mocks Mormonism (deservedly) at every turn and is an avowed Atheist. For the first couple of years at least of his podcasts he threw out the F word and MF word and other profanities, vulgarities and gross comments like "warm shit on a cold winter morning" repeatedly and even vowed in response to criticism that he would continue to do so. Bryce has now apparently decided to clean up his act in an attempt to gain more respect from his listeners and especially from critical ex Mormon scholars and I applaud him for that but I don't buy his attempt to repackage himself as a "Secular Mormon". Mormons who have listened to Bryce's podcasts would have to be aghast at his claim to be a Secular Mormon. To use Bryce's language, his claiming to be a Secular Mormon is complete Bullshit.
Do I smell soup?
Secular Mormon...That's an oxymoron...or maybe an oxyMormon?
This guy is kind of fudging his thinking
So is God a fat house cat or...?
No. The fat house cat actually has proof of existence. Okay, that was terrible. ;-)
My god is. Her name is Psyche, and she wakes me up every morning at 5 am with head butts to feed her sorry grey butt.
min 10:40
Many of the denominations are disciples of Paul who is the catalyst of those Christians sects today. Paul taught that the mouth could save us (Rom 10:10), which was contrary to what Christ taught.
James tried to correct him -- faith without works is dead, and dead faith faith cannot save anyone , the demons confess Christ and tremble.
They continue to teach Paul's other gospel in their churches today rather than what Christ taught -- e.g. baptism (a work) is necessary for salvation (Mark 16:16).
Peter warned us about following the teachings of Paul (2 Peter 3:15-16) but they heed not his warning.
I am sorry but this is bunk. I can accept being a cultural Catholic, Jew or even Mormon.... on account of having been held captive by a culture dominated by those mental chains. But one tries to fight it, not identify with it!
It sounds like a distinction without a difference to me...
Paddy
Moron. First of all they aren't saying "cultural" but "secular", which is just as stupid since there is no such thing. Learn the fucking words.
What is wrong with you, you bloody snowflake?
Before being rude to others, concerning their alleged lack of vocabulary it would behoove you to actually READ what the object of your outburst has written....
Secular means: " not connected with religious or spiritual matters." This make the term secular Catholic or secular Jew a bit of a contradiction in terms.
One can, on the other hand, be a cultural Catholic or cultural Lutheran, having never held any faith.... simply by the fact that ones culture is so permeated with the literature, the customs, in some cases even the basis of Law, by such a believe, once firmly held by the majority of a society...
Claiming not to hold a belief any longer, but yet still be actively, involved in the customs stemming out of those beliefs and willingly participating in them, is a schizophrenic attitude. Hence my remark that this may be a distinction without a difference...
So, first, my dear "Critic", read what the grown ups write, try to understand it, and then venture out to comment....
And perhaps try to do so in a language that doesn't make you sound like a badly dragged up 13 year old?
Just an idea....
Paddy
Don't engage with him. The is a troll saying this same crap to everyone else on here.
gh778jk he seems to say he identifies with it because it calms down Mormons he wants to have fruitful dialogues with. He’s still the same, just using a more amicable label.
Tim Pieper exactly. He says he’s labeling himself secular for them not him. Because calling himself an atheist puts people off preventing dialogue. He’s not trying to create a new label to satisfy his own conscience. More of a tactic for keeping bridges open.