@@pdworld3421 really? what's sad is people thinking we all have souls, and if we do have souls, then why think some people are going to lose it because some book says so. yeah, that's truly sad.
My wife's brother told me to bow my head at my own table, and when I refused he got up and did it for me. That was the shortest meal of his life. He is now an atheist.
On special occasions we do pray. It goes like this: "Earth who brought us these (foods), sun who led it ripen, dear sun, dear earth may you always be remembered." It doesn't sound that well in English but in german it is very poetic, secular and you express you appreciation for the plants, animals and nature who are necessary to create theses goods.
Well I'm sure the plants, dirt and sun really appreciate your expressing of gratitude. Seriously, what is it with people talking to objects? I feel silly talking to my dog, and she's alive!
Suffering, shame and martyrdom are the biggest reasons I was depressed as a Christian. Which prayers or med's never helped but meditation has helped me immensely with thoughts of shame or harming myself or others.
I don't know a whole lot about Shintoism, but as a Chinese, I can say that in East Asian cultures we believe gods would never cause you unnecessary pain, only demons or evil spirits will hurt you for not satisfying their needs in exchange for their blessings, sometimes evil spirits would inhabit humans and make them do illogical things to hurt themselves. So to 14th century Japanese locals, the description of a powerful entity who will cast nonbelievers to burn for eternity in hell pretty much fits the description of an Asian demon. So the Japanese "torturing" the Christian priests were probably just trying to exorcise whatever demon they thought were possessing the poor white foreigners...
Well, given that the god of the Bible has over 2 million listed kills to his name, excluding the flood, and Satan only has a platry 10 as a result of a dare with God over whether or not he could sway Job's faith, I'd say calling God a demon is pretty accurate, even if heretical.
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
The Catholic church has a long twisted history of sadomasochistic cult behaviour. This story is an example of the false cult of personality that the Jesus character in the Bible instilled in most western cultures. At some point every good director makes a vanity project and the movie usually suffers for it.
I would love to see a film about Jesus that exposes the stupidity of his behavior that led to his arrest. The Abrahamic religious leaders would make sure it would never be released.
My mom never talked about sex except to tell us that it was filthy and sinful, even in marriage, and that people only did it because the devil was in them... Thank God I got over that. ;)
Only the Christian version of Yahweh does that. Hell as a place of fire and brimstone is a Christian invention. Jewish Yahweh simply chops foreskins off and encourages people to eat Kosher. LOL.
@@jamesheartney9546 - especially when its the same god that had originally created it to start off with. But then this is also the same god that allows painful deaths, disease, famine, slavery, genocide etc - so say no more. lol
I was married 5 or 6 years ago now, my wife (now ex) wasn't religious but would have labeled herself as "spiritual" Her parents however are incredibly religious and she never wanted to rock the boat when it came to them. As a courtesy to her I usually just swallowed my protests and followed along. Right before we were married (the day before maybe?) We were having supper with them and one of their family friends joined us. Afterward this family friend asked to pray for us, and my father in law encouraged it. It was mostly the same platitudes but at one point he said something like "and thank you lord for putting these two people together, a man and a woman, and not two men. " He went on to talk about how God "hates the gays" I was mortified, and so was my ex, but we were outnumbered and neither of us wanted to confront this stranger in the house her parents rented. I regret holding my tongue. What a terrible hateful man.
Actually here in Germany we have a secular version of a "prayer". "Piep piep piep, guten Apetit, jeder esse was er kann, nur nicht seinen Nebenmann und wir nehmen's ganz genau, auch nicht seine Nebenfrau". (loosly translated it means: enjoy your meal, eat what you can, just not your neighbor" I saw people holding hands while saying this on a documentery
My grandmother was raised secular and had a fondness for subtle mockeries of religion (half of them I didn't understand until I was older) One of my favorites was whenever we had a big family dinner over a holiday she would wait til everyone was seated then enter the room, her hands together like she was in prayer, then through a sarcastic smirk mutter the word "grace". Take a seat, loudly proclaiming to all in attendence "now eat!"
12:08 - "Pinky Toe on the Plate". That's going to be the name of my new heavy metal band. 7:21 - That would also be a good name for a TV show: "Touched by an Angel's Pinky Toe".
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
Seth, I have been in that position before, u was even put on the spot and asked to bless the food, the person knew i was not religious. I just thanked the chicken for given up it's life so i could eat it. John
Seth you could freak them out by doing a Satanist prayer at meal time "Let us stand now, unbowed and unfettered by arcane doctrines born of fearful minds in darkened times. Let us embrace the Luciferian impulse to eat of the Tree of Knowledge and dissipate our blissful and comforting delusions of old." lol
Seth, if it were my home and my sibling came in with her christian or muslim or jewish or anything else fiance, who decided to have a ritualistic prayer, which necessarily included atheist me, I would immediately stand up and voice my objection to both the fact that I do not allow such prayer and especially when led by a male under my roof. So my aversion to this whole thing is two-fold: It smacks of servitude and sexism.
Regarding the praying over food at someone else home where they are Christians. I'm the same as you. Yes, they have the right to say thanks to God in their home and in mine (privately), but you don't get people to join in who don't want to. I'd say, that's like you coming to my house and me insisting everyone to hold hands and thank the Goddess, or the green man. They DEFINITELY wouldn't want to do that, haha, so why should I thank God.
With regards to Group prayers, on my travels I stopped at Palmerston atoll, an island of the Cook Islands. It was incidently my sixty-fifth birthday and the people there throw a party for me. Over a hundred of them showed up and they were wonderful people. When it came to the feast, they wanted me to say a prayer. I asked them: "Why? Don't you trust your cooks?" I had to explain why I didn't wanted to participate in their prayer and they respected it.
if a group prayer were to start in my house I would most likely just be stunned with disbelief at the very notion. (it should be noted that I and most if not all my relatives are not believers of any kind)
My sister-in-law is one of those evangelical-home-schooling-Christian-parenting-book-writing people (seriously, she has written a number of books about parenting from a Christian perspective). She told me after a family gathering how much she appreciates me taking part in the family ritual of the pre-meal magic spell - sorry - blessing although she knows I don't actually pray. She has an aunt who, it seems, is also an atheist, but is an ass about it. She will leave the room in a huff whenever the blessing is said and only come back when it is all done. I simply stand there holding my wife's or nephew's or niece's hand while they bow their heads and do their incantation. Doesn't hurt me a bit. Now in MY house - after I have completed the meal prep and everything is ready - I grab a plate and announce "dig in". If someone wants to do the ritual, go for it, but Imma gonna be over here putting grilled chicken and collard greens on my plate!
To be nonchalant about praying is to succumb to a religious belief that is antithetic to logic or reason and forces one to adhere to a dogma that is stupid. Do not let religion dictate your life or have some religious nutcase decide what is good for you.
Same thing happened when I had Thanksgiving at my Dads house. He totally put me on the spot to say grace. I said, "you do realize the house heathen is saying grace?". He said "yep". I said "I'd take one for the team." Then I proceeded to thank the cook and my beloved flying spaghetti monster... he never asked me to say grace again. I said "what? That's who I worship (wink wink)". He didn't get the worship part being a joke and I didn't get why he put me on the spot knowing my convictions. I love the man dearly, but damn dude.
Did the same once. We used to throw the ritual to the host or hostess, and since I was hosting Thanksgiving for the family one year, the blessing was thrown to me. I took the opportunity to express to my family how much I loved them, how thankful I was to have them all together for this custom, how grateful I was for the incredible culinary talent in our family that always made every family meal a feast, that there was no blessing on heaven or earth better than a family that loves, honors, and enjoys each other. Amen - let's eat!
In my house we praise the cook if it is a dinner, otherwise we just wish each other a “bon appetite” and we dig in. In the case somebody decide to do a table blessing, up to him, I am eating already. If I am outside as a guest and somebody decides to “take” my hand to have me participating in his religious rituals, I don’t know. Probably I will leave that person hanging. In the case he will not start without me taking his hand, I will have to excuse myself to go to toilet or otherwise ignore the unwanted “petition” and just start eating or start serving. It may look rude to some people, but it is not less rude to force somebody to participate in religious rituals one doesn’t want to be part of.
Talking about your pets has me literally LOLing. Note: Generic cat food brands are what usually cause cat vomiting (at least with my experience having three cats in my life). the ingredients are horrid. I buy a more premium brand online. and brush regularly. No vomit.
Purina makes a product that was pretty good for most of the lives of my cats, as they started getting older we eventually had to switch to something that they could digest better.
Having seen Martin Scorsese's film "Silence", I completely concur with all of Seth's criticisms concerning how the main characters display a level of irrationality and sheepishness that would elicit the scorn of any thoughtful person. However, I do like the film in that it does illustrate the day to day hypocrisy of your average "Bible believing Christian". I would ask Christians that if the voluntary submission to persecution, torture, and suffering, as graphically displayed in the movie "Silence", has an ample scriptural mandate, as Seth demonstrated (11:25 - 12:10), then why do MOST of them resist subjecting themselves to this sort of treatment to spread the Gospels? Why don't these wonderful Christians, who luxuriate in their wonderful middle class homes, leave the comfort and safety of those surroundings, to go and preach the Gospel in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, and put their life and limb on the line? Mmm...they have no problem citing chapter and verse when they want to decry homosexuality, premarital sex, or abortion, but then the very central command which Jesus implores of his followers the most - to go spread his message, regardless of the danger - goes unheeded. The UNWILLINGNESS of MOST Christians to endure such precarious circumstances for their faith demonstrates that MOST of them do not really believe what they claim. Their refusal to follow such painful and life threatening edicts in their Bible is proof positive that they subscribe to Christianity for other reasons outside of a genuine conviction in what they profess. I find that pointing out such inconsistencies silences these Bible thumpers more than any deep philosophical argument about the particulars of their faith.
Good point. If you could use a few more arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
To go out of your way to actively seek out torture and death, to pretty much insist on it, doesn’t express any kind of religiosity, rather masochism and suicidal tendencies
Hey, Seth, I had a chronic puker too (hair balls). I found it easier to take a puke-acceptable surface to the cat, rather than carrying the cat to a puke-acceptable surface. Laminated placemats are a great resource for this.
It's amazing, frankly, that their God hasn't thought of this. He's all powerful and all knowing but he hasn't figured out that dead people can't worship him? The not-so-bright all-knowing god...
Im reading “sex and god” by dr ray right now and have really enjoyed it!!! It makes me so angry what we teach our little girls! It took me awhile to get past some of it too! But i am happily free from all that dogma now! (;
Story of Park Ranger doing a demonstration about bears in the park. 'You should buy little bells to tie on your shoes so you do not surprise the bears. And be sure you have bear pepper spray which you can buy in the tourist shop. And be sure to keep an eye out for bear scat (poop). There is a big difference between a brown bear and a grizzly. You can tell by looking at the scat." "How do you know the difference?" asked one of the tourists. "Well, brown bear scat is full of bones from mice and squirrels and lots of berry seeds and smells like forest greenery." he answered. "Grizzly bear scat is full of little bells and smells like bear pepper spray!!"
Thank you! I thought that movie was HORRIBLE and had the exact same thoughts while watching this: why are they CELEBRATING this madness?? Love this channel, so funny and wise.
Personally, I don't mind being included in prayer. I will happily join people to mass and join them when they pray over their meal. I know it means something to them even if it means nothing to me, and I am glad to share that moment with them. Now, if they asked me to pray knowing I don't believe, or force me to do something that I don't want to, that's where I'd draw the line.
As a child I fantasized about martyrdom - would I be strong enough to die for my faith? All of a sudden it strikes me: I would die for real for someone who part-time died to save me? Oh, dear! #RaisedBaptist
I wasn't brought up religious. I don't care if people pray, it doesn't trigger any memories for me or make me uncomfortable unless the words of the prayer are icky. When my kids were young we sometimes joined hands silently before a meal but it was to acknowledge that we were feeling communal. This made it more comfortable for everyone when god-believers visited - we could join hands and if they were going to pray during the silence, fine by us. I think that, as the general population becomes more secular, issues like this will seem less fraught.
I was so hoping for a twist to the prayer story, such that after joining hands your now host would say: seth was so gracious to allow us prayer at his house, we shall return the same honor by saying toight: dig in!" Prayer over....that would have been cool, but unfortunately, not to be expected. How folks who declair a religious belief think that autommatically get magically embued with morality is beyond rational understanding.
The bit about the bear reminded me of a bow-hunter colleague who said that at the range of his bow, he'd have time for two and a half shots at a grizzly bear, so he wasn't going to try it.
the sequel to "west world" should be "Doll World" where as the paying visitor buys his ticket to West World and mistakenly walks into the wrong "ride". "I'm gonna ride the filly till I tame her". giddy up!
Seth, I've only tuned in to your program a few times, so I don't know. I hope you have more stuff like this out there. Every story you told was hilarious; your delivery rivals the most accomplished of stand-up comics. I also am the proud owner of a feline puker. Sonny goes out of his way to avoid any non-carpeted surface. He will retch on the run if you try to interfere. Point is, I've had quite a few cats, including one who used to puke in my husband's shoes. But before we got this long-haired, orange and white nightmare, I had never actually seen a hairball. It was not what I expected. The hairball is a turd-like organ of sorts. I didn't know what the hell it was, so I somehow got the nerve to dissect one. What I found inside was something NO ONE should see -- a tightly packed mass that looked like the contents of a bathtub drain clogged with a quarter century's accumulation of hair, comingled with some unidentifiable, grotesque detritus. I love Sonny, and he at least pretends to love me, but sometimes I just want to see his head on a spike.
Religious people are rude very often, they will force you to "pray along" if they have a chance. I'm an agnostic, I consider myself a kinda believer, and I find it offensive when someone tries to force me into their particular ritual, ugh! As for the most important: you might wanna brush your cat to prevent him throwing up. My Mom and I, we have 6 cats, the loveliest creatures in the world, half-feral. They hardly ever get sick, I brush them daily =) Cheers to your kitty!
My daughter (7) takes piano lessons from a very nice lady; she's christian. She has a plaque on her wall in her home (where she gives her lessons) with that ole "Jesus loves me, this I know". Plenty of other symbols abound in the house. Fine. Your house. Fine. But, she arranges recitals periodically...her and her husband (he's actually quite strange) are a musical team. This recital which took place at our city's public library featured a fucking full on, straight up Jesus prayer lead by her husband. Everyone in the audience was asked to bow their heads...all the rest. I was beside myself. But, my wife, who is uncomfortable when I have a reasonable reaction to being forced into religious observance against my will at a recital where my 7 year old is performing, wanted to pick a fight with me...just because she could feel the heat coming off of me over this. My wife is not religious, and she entertains my love for my atheist speakers, but she doesn't want to be any part of the "resistance" at all. Anyone else go through this kind of thing on a regular basis?
Your family pray over their food and expect you to join in? Pah! You think you've got problems! After my daughter was born, a friend of the family took her in her arms and arranged MY family into a group with me shoved to the back while she prayed over my baby on a public ferry! She meant well, I don't want to start a fight with a good woman who wishes my family well, but that was a serious overreach!
Hey Sedth; you missed one,in The UK,a brothel is called a " knocking Shop " I cracked up when my British born neighbor told me that one !😉😂 PS love your videos,from a fellow free thinking woman😈!
We thank agronomists who have accrued talent for breeding superior food. We thank the farmers and laborers who nurtured those crops as they sprouted and grew. We thank our dairies for milk and for cheese. Also our ranchers for their expertise. We thank the truckers for they have the knowledge to quickly transport their spoilable haulage. We thank the warehousing distributors. They organize for disbursement to stores. We thank the grocers' industrious work. Managers, cashiers and every last clerk. Did I miss someone while saying my grace? Oh, yeah: thanks God. You get last place! ;-)
My dear elderly auntie always insists on praying before meals at a restaurant... I'm of course mortified, but she picks up the cheque, so WTF, I'll sit there (and daydream) while she prays, then eat.
Even as an atheist, I love this movie. I saw it in the theatre while I was towards the end of my deconversion but still in the phase that I was trying to hold on. I think you missed the end of the movie and the whole point. The voice of god comes to him and tells him to step on him for he came into the world to bear our suffering. The point of the movie was when is it morally wrong to hold onto your faith if it is hurting others. And the silence represents the silence of god through our hard times. Ironically, this movie both showed a side of god I had never considered (a self sacrificial and genuinely loving side who puts the needs of his children over his own). However, the movie could also be considered heretical as a Christian because the Bible clearly teaches you have no ability to deny Jesus for any reason. So that version of god doesn’t exist in a biblical sense (or a real one). It’s still a powerful movie and I think it takes hard and critical look at religion and try’s to find something deeper through all the dogma. I also think that this movie followed the wolf of Wall Street is just amazing
The movie shows how dangerous Catholicism is. On one hand you have the fanatics that murder in name of faith, while on the other, the simple who prefer to become martyrs.
If your family knows you are an atheist and still tries to get you to pray at either house, you openly reprimand them as they are openly disrespecting you. Demand to from them to explain why they are trying to ruin a family gathering!
To hell with thanking some made- up deity for the food. How about thanking the poor animal who, unwillingly, gave his or her flesh or bodily secretions. Hardly any one ever considers that.
How anatomical. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
Very interesting collection of reflections and analyses. Now, as a woman I want to know why brothels are ALWAYS only for men. When anyone talks about sex services, brothels, prostitutes, "dolls," etc, they are always talking about sexual services for men. I want to see prostitution legalized, but I would also really appreciate it if sexual services for women were acknowledged as JUST AS IMPORTANT. "Well, a woman can get sex whenever she wants it, because men are willing to screw anything." No. Not true, and a pretty disgusting suggestion - but I hear it and see it all the time. We all need and want sexual intimacy, without judgement, without obligation, without having to play games or fend off unhealthy possessiveness.
Seen the movie, waaaay too long for it's own good. Still a good movie. I was still shaking my head whenever these characters are so sensitive on stepping on that metal plate. Just goes to show how the poor are so invested in the afterlife since their current life is hard.
Scorcese made this hi religious passion project after Endo won the 1996 Tanizaki Prize, Japan's American Book Award or Booker Prize. His next "Last Temptation of Christ:Tokyo Drift". I'm a film student with a degree in history speaks Japanese, and I was insulted by the whole thing. As a child, we were only nominally religious participants, mainly because we liked the celebrations, and my mother has been an atheist since she was disinvited to Sunday School when she started telling the teacher this made no sense and asked questions; she was six I was a Jatholic,or Cashew, if you prefer to be a little witty- half Jewish, half Catholic so I was familiar with these rather thuggy Portuguese missionaries who were determined to Catholicize all of Asia. These guys happened to be there at a time when Japan was openly trying to get rid of Western influence. Every time they let us in, they lost chunk of their culture. So these men knew they were profoundly unwelcome, but armed with the, "If course we're right, it's for Jesus" hubris, they go. And are shocked when things don't go well. "God" even tells the priest to go ahead and trample him; images get trampled all the time. And if you're dead, you moron, you can't serve your flock. Besides being ridiculous, it's not even good Catholicism. I yelled at the screen, too, so much that I stopped watching the cinematography, my whole reason for watching in the first place. For a good part of his youth, even into young adulthood, Sorcese wanted to be a Jesuit priest, and he can really get Jesus on the brain. He sees these men as heroes, not as the invaders they were. Forced religion is false religion. I found a good palate cleanser for this film; watch "The Departed" and find the spots where each character is going to die at one point stands in front of an "X" of some sort. Kind if a non-alcoholic "Hi Bob!"
If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
I will not argue with making this one of the top ten films. It is like my favorite Christmas carol and one of my favorites songs period - "Oh Holy Night". As art, it extremely well conveys the emotion of the believer in a very beautiful composition. It is great art, no matter that the basic premise is crap. I have not seen this movie, but if I had, I would probably have been moved by the sacrifice of the characters, no matter how misguided. Just as I watched Clint Eastwood's movies about Iwo Jima. The Japanese were bat shit crazy, but one has to admire, on some level, their sacrifice. There are many movies picturing Wermacht soldiers in WW II in a good light, and many are highly acclaimed. Are they crap too? Simply because we reject the reason for which a person would give their all, does not mean that a movie about their noble sacrifice is bad.
I would excuse myself, with a smile, as they were about to pray over the food, and leave the room...only to return when the ritual was over, smile broadly and begin with some goofy, nonreligious banter....as if the ritual never happened.
My dad used to have a big white Himalayan male cat in the house, and when he was gone, this cat would get pissed off and spray all over the kitchen and on the dish drainer. Due to this behavior, he didn't last very long in our home. 😮
I wonder how many people have prayed over their food, and still gotten ptomaine or e-coli. And how many church groups have prayed for traveling mercies, but still their bus went off a cliff. I haven't been in this position, although one time a Catholic friend invited me and my visiting sister and brother-in-law (from out of state) to dinner at her parents' house. Now, my friend's parents didn't normally say grace, so I was horrified when they asked my brother-in-law to say the blessing. My sister and are husband are religious, so no big deal for them. But what if they had put ME on the spot? Especially since I had never discussed my atheism with my sister. "No thanks, I'll pass"?
I was asked to lead the dinner prayer after I had cooked pork while visiting my relatives. It was really awkward, but at least it's easy to remember (as much as I find it distasteful). But if anyone here knows about how crazy the LCMS is, it's better if I just go with it for the 15-20 seconds than spark an entire argument with my entire family.
The movie bored me to tears. And the hostility toward Buddhism and the soppy, bloated, and overblown Christian horn-blowing made all the “dramatic” torture-moments giggle-worthy.
With anyone that wasn't family, when asked to join hands and pray, I would say "I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to pray to a god that demanded the killing of children."
I think the films goes to show that there's no way we can have the same values with theists, not even close. And if they're right, they have a point. I mean, yeah, crucifiction, boiling water and so on are terrible, but they'd be mere inconveniences if afterwards you get to hang out with Jesus in heaven, or with a harem full of girls who feed you rice, not to mention mortals will sing you songs of praise. This philosophy leads to a very clear and terrifying result: human life is *not* the highest value we have, so it's okay to have crusades, or throw planes on skyscrapers or refuse this or that medical care because it's against the holy book. I've never been religious, I grew in a secular home so I don't really know how to relate to theists, but I think I might have actually died for my beliefs- not because I'm braver or more moral than anyone else, but rationally it'd be just a small disruption to what I enjoy in life, with the added bonus of whichever version of heaven I'd subscribe to.
1) sex dolls - as someone who as experienced rape, I do not like the idea of an opportunity for anyone to act out, resulting in positive reinforcement for self gratification at the expense of others. 2) group blessing during meals - as I have done before, I will not join hands with the table but will clasp my hands on my lap and bow my head without a word; not in prayer but to give those who want to complete their ritual their space and freedom without compromising my will. There are also occasions I may pre empt the hosts and request they perform their prayers in the kitchen with the food, then holler for me to come help them serve it up to the rest of the dinner party
... Personally, I have had the " Group Prayer " thing happen in MY house many times ... I just didn't give a rat's tuchus. And if someone had wanted me to join hands because I was next to him at the table, I would gently, but firmly take their offered hand - and presented it to the next person in line, and let THEM decide. I bought the food, I helped to prepare the food, I contributed the table upon which the food will be consumed - along with the roof overhead, the central heating that keeps us dry and warm, and several hours of my time ... my house, my rules , BUT - if I am at their house and I am expected to join into this ritual, I will politely demure ... If they want me to leave - I'll do that too - and in peace.
It's funny that you refer to sex as "The Other" meaning something strange or scary, since "The Other" is slang for sex in 1970s British English "Fancy a bit of the other, luv?" and so forth
Seth Andrew's, damn it, now I've listened ahmgqon, (yep, all yours I go back to). Last time, the pets were funny. But, having lost our 15 yr service dog a couple weeks ago, 'tis bittersweet. As for the dinner hand holding. Just tale the hands, while he's praying, you say, a bit quieter than him but audible, "and I give thanks to the animals who died after tortured lives, to the hwho picked, grew, and picked, and those who cooked and served, this wonderful dinner!" (You can say Amen, if you like. Not sure,but I was told it means, 'So be it'! 👍💙💙💙🥰✌
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
It kind of seems like the whole point of using a sex doll would only be out of sheer desperation, because your town doesn't have a brothel with humans at it. Why would you want to rent someone's gross doll when you could just buy one and keep it at home? You rent a prostitute. You can buy a doll.
Regarding cats complaining, something similar happened to me. I had just gotten married a few months prior to this event. I was living in Wyoming and had gone to dinner and a movie in Denver, Colorado. We got back at 2am, did the usual petting the three cats and got into bed. Just then, one of the cats hopped up onto the bed, meowed angrily and peed on the bed. He then jumped off and trounced away happily, apparently. So much for getting good sleep. About the aircraft pressurization, it is usually set to the "AUTO" position. Therefore, it is not something one really gets concerned. The problem is when someone bumps the switch, or maintenance did not reset it, it gets a problem like you mentioned.
"Dear God,
We paid for this food with our own money, so thanks for nothing."
(Bart Simpson)
Amen
So sad
@@pdworld3421 what's so sad?
@@cliftongaither6642 So sad that so many misunderstand suffering. And that anyone would endorse giving up your soul to prevent it.
@@pdworld3421 really? what's sad is people thinking we all have souls, and if we do have souls, then why think some people are going to lose it because some book says so. yeah, that's truly sad.
My wife's brother told me to bow my head at my own table, and when I refused he got up and did it for me. That was the shortest meal of his life. He is now an atheist.
Greg Wright 😮
This is what steak knives are for.
Good grief!
So, we're supposed to believe you went all Chuck Norris on him and beat the Christianity out of him ?
I don't get your point.
On special occasions we do pray. It goes like this:
"Earth who brought us these (foods), sun who led it ripen, dear sun, dear earth may you always be remembered."
It doesn't sound that well in English but in german it is very poetic, secular and you express you appreciation for the plants, animals and nature who are necessary to create theses goods.
that's lovely!
Bitte schreib' den gleichen Text in original German!! Danke.
DANKE!!!
That’s who we should be thanking! The Earth and Sun actually have a REAL part in the food we eat! The sky daddy can’t say the same...
@@marie-rosedaly4234 Erde die uns dies gebracht, Sonne die es reif gemacht, liebe Sonne, liebe Erde, euer nie vergessen werde. Guten Appetit
Well I'm sure the plants, dirt and sun really appreciate your expressing of gratitude.
Seriously, what is it with people talking to objects? I feel silly talking to my dog, and she's alive!
Suffering, shame and martyrdom are the biggest reasons I was depressed as a Christian. Which prayers or med's never helped but meditation has helped me immensely with thoughts of shame or harming myself or others.
Me too
I don't know a whole lot about Shintoism, but as a Chinese, I can say that in East Asian cultures we believe gods would never cause you unnecessary pain, only demons or evil spirits will hurt you for not satisfying their needs in exchange for their blessings, sometimes evil spirits would inhabit humans and make them do illogical things to hurt themselves.
So to 14th century Japanese locals, the description of a powerful entity who will cast nonbelievers to burn for eternity in hell pretty much fits the description of an Asian demon. So the Japanese "torturing" the Christian priests were probably just trying to exorcise whatever demon they thought were possessing the poor white foreigners...
Well, given that the god of the Bible has over 2 million listed kills to his name, excluding the flood, and Satan only has a platry 10 as a result of a dare with God over whether or not he could sway Job's faith, I'd say calling God a demon is pretty accurate, even if heretical.
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
I believe the gnostics called the Christian god the "Demiurge" and said it was a false god or demon.
I could literally listen to Seth's voice all day.
I have spent most of a day doing so.
Yea, and Seth really nailed it on those sound effects! 🐈🐈🐈🤣🤣
The Catholic church has a long twisted history of sadomasochistic cult behaviour. This story is an example of the false cult of personality that the Jesus character in the Bible instilled in most western cultures.
At some point every good director makes a vanity project and the movie usually suffers for it.
That's why I've never attended the Catholic Church.
? WOW
The Catholic church needs to learn about "safe, sane and consensual".
I would love to see a film about Jesus that exposes the stupidity of his behavior that led to his arrest.
The Abrahamic religious leaders would make sure it would never be released.
My mom never talked about sex except to tell us that it was filthy and sinful, even in marriage, and that people only did it because the devil was in them...
Thank God I got over that. ;)
So many layers of innuendos there.
awww - how sweet of her to let you know that you are the product of sin, filth, and demonic possession.
;)
@@edselby I'm fairly certain that that's exactly what she thinks I am. Lol I'm everything she hoped I wouldn't be, really. Lol
@John Fashanu She's a fundamental Baptist, so that's part of it. The rest comes from her fairly screwed up parents.
There you have it folks, the devil created all life on earth, god had nothing to do with it.
Yahweh is a petty god. Any being who would condemned you to hell because of a simply act to save your skin isn’t worth any respect.
Only the Christian version of Yahweh does that. Hell as a place of fire and brimstone is a Christian invention. Jewish Yahweh simply chops foreskins off and encourages people to eat Kosher. LOL.
Any god that would allow Hell to exist is a monster.
Hell is of Norse mythology and isn’t what “Christians” clamming it to be
Sean Michaels: and the Jewish god does that whether you're good or bad, right? Chops foreskins and makes you eat Kosher?
@@jamesheartney9546 - especially when its the same god that had originally created it to start off with. But then this is also the same god that allows painful deaths, disease, famine, slavery, genocide etc - so say no more. lol
That entire film is basically Scorsese coming to terms with his Catholic guilt
I was married 5 or 6 years ago now, my wife (now ex) wasn't religious but would have labeled herself as "spiritual"
Her parents however are incredibly religious and she never wanted to rock the boat when it came to them. As a courtesy to her I usually just swallowed my protests and followed along.
Right before we were married (the day before maybe?) We were having supper with them and one of their family friends joined us. Afterward this family friend asked to pray for us, and my father in law encouraged it.
It was mostly the same platitudes but at one point he said something like
"and thank you lord for putting these two people together, a man and a woman, and not two men. "
He went on to talk about how God "hates the gays"
I was mortified, and so was my ex, but we were outnumbered and neither of us wanted to confront this stranger in the house her parents rented.
I regret holding my tongue.
What a terrible hateful man.
I'm going thank the farmers for my food next time someone asks for a prayer leader.
Actually here in Germany we have a secular version of a "prayer". "Piep piep piep, guten Apetit, jeder esse was er kann, nur nicht seinen Nebenmann und wir nehmen's ganz genau, auch nicht seine Nebenfrau". (loosly translated it means: enjoy your meal, eat what you can, just not your neighbor" I saw people holding hands while saying this on a documentery
My grandmother was raised secular and had a fondness for subtle mockeries of religion (half of them I didn't understand until I was older) One of my favorites was whenever we had a big family dinner over a holiday she would wait til everyone was seated then enter the room, her hands together like she was in prayer, then through a sarcastic smirk mutter the word "grace". Take a seat, loudly proclaiming to all in attendence "now eat!"
Grace? She passed away 30 years ago. LOL.
Mine said “good food, good meat, good god let’s eat!”
Father, Son, Holy Ghost
Who eats the fastest, gets the most.
@@Bryan198026The BLES-SING!
12:08 - "Pinky Toe on the Plate". That's going to be the name of my new heavy metal band. 7:21 - That would also be a good name for a TV show: "Touched by an Angel's Pinky Toe".
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Pinky toe on the plate...left hand on red...right foot on blue...right hand on green. I love Twister !!!
Someone stops to pray in my house, they're praying to the sound of me eating.
Thou shalt not stomp on the graven image.
Cracked me up Seth’s reaction to sanitised dolls. Lol 😂
You have two new campfire horror stories! Conscious sex dolls and attacking bears!
What about this;
Conscious sex dolls, THAT ARE ALSO BEARS
I don’t allow blessings at my dinner table in my house, nor do I participate in their seances around other dinner tables
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
My bong is hard polymer...i will start training with it immediately.
I just sit there, waiting for them to do their thing and my level of annoyance depends completely on how hungry I am.
Making pictures of god isn't even allowed by the "10 commandments"
Art altogether was forbidden in the earliest forms of strict Judaism. Crazy!
People need to free themselves from all these delusions.
Seth,
I have been in that position before, u was even put on the spot and asked to bless the food, the person knew i was not religious. I just thanked the chicken for given up it's life so i could eat it.
John
Seth you could freak them out by doing a Satanist prayer at meal time "Let us stand now, unbowed and unfettered by arcane doctrines born of fearful minds in darkened times. Let us embrace the Luciferian impulse to eat of the Tree of Knowledge and dissipate our blissful and comforting delusions of old." lol
Thats kind of a dick move considering they know you are unbeliever.
But the chicken never willingly gave it's life to feed you.
Fabulous reply! I'm going to remember that!
Seth, if it were my home and my sibling came in with her christian or muslim or jewish or anything else fiance, who decided to have a ritualistic prayer, which necessarily included atheist me, I would immediately stand up and voice my objection to both the fact that I do not allow such prayer and especially when led by a male under my roof. So my aversion to this whole thing is two-fold: It smacks of servitude and sexism.
Regarding the praying over food at someone else home where they are Christians. I'm the same as you. Yes, they have the right to say thanks to God in their home and in mine (privately), but you don't get people to join in who don't want to. I'd say, that's like you coming to my house and me insisting everyone to hold hands and thank the Goddess, or the green man. They DEFINITELY wouldn't want to do that, haha, so why should I thank God.
Yikes, your sis-in-law sounds scary, and controlling!! hahaha. The shaking hand thing creeps me out too.
With regards to Group prayers, on my travels I stopped at Palmerston atoll, an island of the Cook Islands. It was incidently my sixty-fifth birthday and the people there throw a party for me. Over a hundred of them showed up and they were wonderful people. When it came to the feast, they wanted me to say a prayer. I asked them: "Why? Don't you trust your cooks?" I had to explain why I didn't wanted to participate in their prayer and they respected it.
Love your work Mr. Andrews. Please continue on
if a group prayer were to start in my house I would most likely just be stunned with disbelief at the very notion. (it should be noted that I and most if not all my relatives are not believers of any kind)
mikkelturtvig that is how horror movies start!
My sister-in-law is one of those evangelical-home-schooling-Christian-parenting-book-writing people (seriously, she has written a number of books about parenting from a Christian perspective). She told me after a family gathering how much she appreciates me taking part in the family ritual of the pre-meal magic spell - sorry - blessing although she knows I don't actually pray. She has an aunt who, it seems, is also an atheist, but is an ass about it. She will leave the room in a huff whenever the blessing is said and only come back when it is all done. I simply stand there holding my wife's or nephew's or niece's hand while they bow their heads and do their incantation. Doesn't hurt me a bit.
Now in MY house - after I have completed the meal prep and everything is ready - I grab a plate and announce "dig in". If someone wants to do the ritual, go for it, but Imma gonna be over here putting grilled chicken and collard greens on my plate!
To be nonchalant about praying is to succumb to a religious belief that is antithetic to logic or reason and forces one to adhere to a dogma that is stupid.
Do not let religion dictate your life or have some religious nutcase decide what is good for you.
Same thing happened when I had Thanksgiving at my Dads house. He totally put me on the spot to say grace. I said, "you do realize the house heathen is saying grace?". He said "yep". I said "I'd take one for the team." Then I proceeded to thank the cook and my beloved flying spaghetti monster... he never asked me to say grace again. I said "what? That's who I worship (wink wink)". He didn't get the worship part being a joke and I didn't get why he put me on the spot knowing my convictions. I love the man dearly, but damn dude.
Did the same once. We used to throw the ritual to the host or hostess, and since I was hosting Thanksgiving for the family one year, the blessing was thrown to me. I took the opportunity to express to my family how much I loved them, how thankful I was to have them all together for this custom, how grateful I was for the incredible culinary talent in our family that always made every family meal a feast, that there was no blessing on heaven or earth better than a family that loves, honors, and enjoys each other. Amen - let's eat!
@@edselby that's perfect! I wish I had time to process a thoughtful response like that. Well done!
If god is omnipresent, it’s killing itself...
Had to watch and share again. This is just too good. Thank you.
In my house we praise the cook if it is a dinner, otherwise we just wish each other a “bon appetite” and we dig in. In the case somebody decide to do a table blessing, up to him, I am eating already.
If I am outside as a guest and somebody decides to “take” my hand to have me participating in his religious rituals, I don’t know.
Probably I will leave that person hanging.
In the case he will not start without me taking his hand, I will have to excuse myself to go to toilet or otherwise ignore the unwanted “petition” and just start eating or start serving.
It may look rude to some people, but it is not less rude to force somebody to participate in religious rituals one doesn’t want to be part of.
Talking about your pets has me literally LOLing. Note: Generic cat food brands are what usually cause cat vomiting (at least with my experience having three cats in my life). the ingredients are horrid. I buy a more premium brand online. and brush regularly. No vomit.
Purina makes a product that was pretty good for most of the lives of my cats, as they started getting older we eventually had to switch to something that they could digest better.
Having seen Martin Scorsese's film "Silence", I completely concur with all of Seth's criticisms concerning how the main characters display a level of irrationality and sheepishness that would elicit the scorn of any thoughtful person. However, I do like the film in that it does illustrate the day to day hypocrisy of your average "Bible believing Christian".
I would ask Christians that if the voluntary submission to persecution, torture, and suffering, as graphically displayed in the movie "Silence", has an ample scriptural mandate, as Seth demonstrated (11:25 - 12:10), then why do MOST of them resist subjecting themselves to this sort of treatment to spread the Gospels? Why don't these wonderful Christians, who luxuriate in their wonderful middle class homes, leave the comfort and safety of those surroundings, to go and preach the Gospel in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, and put their life and limb on the line?
Mmm...they have no problem citing chapter and verse when they want to decry homosexuality, premarital sex, or abortion, but then the very central command which Jesus implores of his followers the most - to go spread his message, regardless of the danger - goes unheeded. The UNWILLINGNESS of MOST Christians to endure such precarious circumstances for their faith demonstrates that MOST of them do not really believe what they claim. Their refusal to follow such painful and life threatening edicts in their Bible is proof positive that they subscribe to Christianity for other reasons outside of a genuine conviction in what they profess. I find that pointing out such inconsistencies silences these Bible thumpers more than any deep philosophical argument about the particulars of their faith.
Good point. If you could use a few more arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
@@headlights4395 Thanks for the suggestions.
To go out of your way to actively seek out torture and death, to pretty much insist on it, doesn’t express any kind of religiosity, rather masochism and suicidal tendencies
Hey, Seth, I had a chronic puker too (hair balls). I found it easier to take a puke-acceptable surface to the cat, rather than carrying the cat to a puke-acceptable surface. Laminated placemats are a great resource for this.
If I was god, I would be telling them to dance on the plate, all over my face.
Yep. I would amaze them with my ability to tap dance fer sure.
It's amazing, frankly, that their God hasn't thought of this. He's all powerful and all knowing but he hasn't figured out that dead people can't worship him? The not-so-bright all-knowing god...
That's what I would've said if I were God. Anything to ease one's suffering.
Have you seen the film? The priest tells his followers to step on the plate. God is silent though. Hence the name of the film.
It’s a good for evolution purposes. Any idiot that would die for something like that, let’s hope it happens before they reproduce atleast.
Im reading “sex and god” by dr ray right now and have really enjoyed it!!! It makes me so angry what we teach our little girls! It took me awhile to get past some of it too! But i am happily free from all that dogma now! (;
This was definitely one of your funniest podcasts, Seth.
Story of Park Ranger doing a demonstration about bears in the park. 'You should buy little bells to tie on your shoes so you do not surprise the bears. And be sure you have bear pepper spray which you can buy in the tourist shop. And be sure to keep an eye out for bear scat (poop). There is a big difference between a brown bear and a grizzly. You can tell by looking at the scat." "How do you know the difference?" asked one of the tourists. "Well, brown bear scat is full of bones from mice and squirrels and lots of berry seeds and smells like forest greenery." he answered. "Grizzly bear scat is full of little bells and smells like bear pepper spray!!"
kurt vonnegut's "sirens of titan" is brilliant.
19:49 isn't life strange.
Thank you! I thought that movie was HORRIBLE and had the exact same thoughts while watching this: why are they CELEBRATING this madness?? Love this channel, so funny and wise.
Personally, I don't mind being included in prayer. I will happily join people to mass and join them when they pray over their meal. I know it means something to them even if it means nothing to me, and I am glad to share that moment with them. Now, if they asked me to pray knowing I don't believe, or force me to do something that I don't want to, that's where I'd draw the line.
As a child I fantasized about martyrdom - would I be strong enough to die for my faith?
All of a sudden it strikes me: I would die for real for someone who part-time died to save me? Oh, dear!
#RaisedBaptist
To think,, all of this suffering because God can't forgive a mythical man for eating a magic fruit.
I wasn't brought up religious. I don't care if people pray, it doesn't trigger any memories for me or make me uncomfortable unless the words of the prayer are icky. When my kids were young we sometimes joined hands silently before a meal but it was to acknowledge that we were feeling communal. This made it more comfortable for everyone when god-believers visited - we could join hands and if they were going to pray during the silence, fine by us. I think that, as the general population becomes more secular, issues like this will seem less fraught.
I was so hoping for a twist to the prayer story, such that after joining hands your now host would say: seth was so gracious to allow us prayer at his house, we shall return the same honor by saying toight: dig in!" Prayer over....that would have been cool, but unfortunately, not to be expected. How folks who declair a religious belief think that autommatically get magically embued with morality is beyond rational understanding.
The bit about the bear reminded me of a bow-hunter colleague who said that at the range of his bow, he'd have time for two and a half shots at a grizzly bear, so he wasn't going to try it.
the sequel to "west world" should be "Doll World" where as the paying visitor buys his ticket to West World and mistakenly walks into the wrong "ride". "I'm gonna ride the filly till I tame her". giddy up!
Seth, I've only tuned in to your program a few times, so I don't know. I hope you have more stuff like this out there. Every story you told was hilarious; your delivery rivals the most accomplished of stand-up comics.
I also am the proud owner of a feline puker. Sonny goes out of his way to avoid any non-carpeted surface. He will retch on the run if you try to interfere.
Point is, I've had quite a few cats, including one who used to puke in my husband's shoes. But before we got this long-haired, orange and white nightmare, I had never actually seen a hairball. It was not what I expected.
The hairball is a turd-like organ of sorts. I didn't know what the hell it was, so I somehow got the nerve to dissect one. What I found inside was something NO ONE should see -- a tightly packed mass that looked like the contents of a bathtub drain clogged with a quarter century's accumulation of hair, comingled with some unidentifiable, grotesque detritus.
I love Sonny, and he at least pretends to love me, but sometimes I just want to see his head on a spike.
LOL lots later. Thanks!
Religious people are rude very often, they will force you to "pray along" if they have a chance. I'm an agnostic, I consider myself a kinda believer, and I find it offensive when someone tries to force me into their particular ritual, ugh!
As for the most important: you might wanna brush your cat to prevent him throwing up. My Mom and I, we have 6 cats, the loveliest creatures in the world, half-feral. They hardly ever get sick, I brush them daily =) Cheers to your kitty!
My daughter (7) takes piano lessons from a very nice lady; she's christian. She has a plaque on her wall in her home (where she gives her lessons) with that ole "Jesus loves me, this I know". Plenty of other symbols abound in the house. Fine. Your house. Fine. But, she arranges recitals periodically...her and her husband (he's actually quite strange) are a musical team. This recital which took place at our city's public library featured a fucking full on, straight up Jesus prayer lead by her husband. Everyone in the audience was asked to bow their heads...all the rest. I was beside myself. But, my wife, who is uncomfortable when I have a reasonable reaction to being forced into religious observance against my will at a recital where my 7 year old is performing, wanted to pick a fight with me...just because she could feel the heat coming off of me over this. My wife is not religious, and she entertains my love for my atheist speakers, but she doesn't want to be any part of the "resistance" at all. Anyone else go through this kind of thing on a regular basis?
Your family pray over their food and expect you to join in? Pah! You think you've got problems! After my daughter was born, a friend of the family took her in her arms and arranged MY family into a group with me shoved to the back while she prayed over my baby on a public ferry! She meant well, I don't want to start a fight with a good woman who wishes my family well, but that was a serious overreach!
the “last temptation “ was almost ridiculous. no accounting for taste.
We love you, Seth!
Hey Sedth; you missed one,in The UK,a brothel is called a " knocking Shop " I cracked up when my British born neighbor told me that one !😉😂 PS love your videos,from a fellow free thinking woman😈!
We thank agronomists who have accrued
talent for breeding superior food.
We thank the farmers and laborers who
nurtured those crops as they sprouted and grew.
We thank our dairies for milk and for cheese.
Also our ranchers for their expertise.
We thank the truckers for they have the knowledge
to quickly transport their spoilable haulage.
We thank the warehousing distributors.
They organize for disbursement to stores.
We thank the grocers' industrious work.
Managers, cashiers and every last clerk.
Did I miss someone while saying my grace?
Oh, yeah: thanks God. You get last place! ;-)
How about the person who earned the money to buy the produce and cook it?
Just looked up the bong video. A true hero!
My dear elderly auntie always insists on praying before meals at a restaurant... I'm of course mortified, but she picks up the cheque, so WTF, I'll sit there (and daydream) while she prays, then eat.
Even as an atheist, I love this movie. I saw it in the theatre while I was towards the end of my deconversion but still in the phase that I was trying to hold on. I think you missed the end of the movie and the whole point. The voice of god comes to him and tells him to step on him for he came into the world to bear our suffering. The point of the movie was when is it morally wrong to hold onto your faith if it is hurting others. And the silence represents the silence of god through our hard times. Ironically, this movie both showed a side of god I had never considered (a self sacrificial and genuinely loving side who puts the needs of his children over his own). However, the movie could also be considered heretical as a Christian because the Bible clearly teaches you have no ability to deny Jesus for any reason. So that version of god doesn’t exist in a biblical sense (or a real one). It’s still a powerful movie and I think it takes hard and critical look at religion and try’s to find something deeper through all the dogma.
I also think that this movie followed the wolf of Wall Street is just amazing
The movie shows how dangerous Catholicism is. On one hand you have the fanatics that murder in name of faith, while on the other, the simple who prefer to become martyrs.
If your family knows you are an atheist and still tries to get you to pray at either house, you openly reprimand them as they are openly disrespecting you. Demand to from them to explain why they are trying to ruin a family gathering!
Prayer in someone's house - sorta like stepping on the plate? Just do it, it doesn't make any difference. At home, for sure just continue on.
To hell with thanking some made- up deity for the food. How about thanking the poor animal who, unwillingly, gave his or her flesh or bodily secretions. Hardly any one ever considers that.
How anatomical. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
Very interesting collection of reflections and analyses. Now, as a woman I want to know why brothels are ALWAYS only for men. When anyone talks about sex services, brothels, prostitutes, "dolls," etc, they are always talking about sexual services for men. I want to see prostitution legalized, but I would also really appreciate it if sexual services for women were acknowledged as JUST AS IMPORTANT. "Well, a woman can get sex whenever she wants it, because men are willing to screw anything." No. Not true, and a pretty disgusting suggestion - but I hear it and see it all the time. We all need and want sexual intimacy, without judgement, without obligation, without having to play games or fend off unhealthy possessiveness.
Seen the movie, waaaay too long for it's own good. Still a good movie. I was still shaking my head whenever these characters are so sensitive on stepping on that metal plate. Just goes to show how the poor are so invested in the afterlife since their current life is hard.
If anyone's wondering, as I was, secularscience.org domain got sold so not only is the survey closed, we can't even see the results :(
Scorcese made this hi religious passion project after Endo won the 1996 Tanizaki Prize, Japan's American Book Award or Booker Prize. His next "Last Temptation of Christ:Tokyo Drift". I'm a film student with a degree in history speaks Japanese, and I was insulted by the whole thing. As a child, we were only nominally religious participants, mainly because we liked the celebrations, and my mother has been an atheist since she was disinvited to Sunday School when she started telling the teacher this made no sense and asked questions; she was six I was a Jatholic,or Cashew, if you prefer to be a little witty- half Jewish, half Catholic so I was familiar with these rather thuggy Portuguese missionaries who were determined to Catholicize all of Asia. These guys happened to be there at a time when Japan was openly trying to get rid of Western influence. Every time they let us in, they lost chunk of their culture. So these men knew they were profoundly unwelcome, but armed with the, "If course we're right, it's for Jesus" hubris, they go. And are shocked when things don't go well. "God" even tells the priest to go ahead and trample him; images get trampled all the time. And if you're dead, you moron, you can't serve your flock. Besides being ridiculous, it's not even good Catholicism. I yelled at the screen, too, so much that I stopped watching the cinematography, my whole reason for watching in the first place. For a good part of his youth, even into young adulthood, Sorcese wanted to be a Jesuit priest, and he can really get Jesus on the brain. He sees these men as heroes, not as the invaders they were. Forced religion is false religion.
I found a good palate cleanser for this film; watch "The Departed" and find the spots where each character is going to die at one point stands in front of an "X" of some sort. Kind if a non-alcoholic "Hi Bob!"
If you want a really beautiful movie on death and passing on in Japan, I highly recommend "Departures/Okuribito".
@Naomi Riter
Very interesting ✌🏼 Love, a secular *ItaliJewtholic* (😂😂)
@@banzaibobA7V Cool!
If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
I will not argue with making this one of the top ten films. It is like my favorite Christmas carol and one of my favorites songs period - "Oh Holy Night". As art, it extremely well conveys the emotion of the believer in a very beautiful composition. It is great art, no matter that the basic premise is crap. I have not seen this movie, but if I had, I would probably have been moved by the sacrifice of the characters, no matter how misguided. Just as I watched Clint Eastwood's movies about Iwo Jima. The Japanese were bat shit crazy, but one has to admire, on some level, their sacrifice. There are many movies picturing Wermacht soldiers in WW II in a good light, and many are highly acclaimed. Are they crap too? Simply because we reject the reason for which a person would give their all, does not mean that a movie about their noble sacrifice is bad.
It's not just a picture... it's a symbol of your love.
I would excuse myself, with a smile, as they were about to pray over the food, and leave the room...only to return when the ritual was over, smile broadly and begin with some goofy, nonreligious banter....as if the ritual never happened.
My dad used to have a big white Himalayan male cat in the house, and when he was gone, this cat would get pissed off and spray all over the kitchen and on the dish drainer. Due to this behavior, he didn't last very long in our home. 😮
I wonder how many people have prayed over their food, and still gotten ptomaine or e-coli. And how many church groups have prayed for traveling mercies, but still their bus went off a cliff. I haven't been in this position, although one time a Catholic friend invited me and my visiting sister and brother-in-law (from out of state) to dinner at her parents' house. Now, my friend's parents didn't normally say grace, so I was horrified when they asked my brother-in-law to say the blessing. My sister and are husband are religious, so no big deal for them. But what if they had put ME on the spot? Especially since I had never discussed my atheism with my sister. "No thanks, I'll pass"?
"Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus..."-Mother(f&*ker) Teresa
The puking cat at 2 am had me LMFAO!
Right foot on plate...left hand on red...left foot on blue...right hand on yellow. I love playing Twister !!!
I was asked to lead the dinner prayer after I had cooked pork while visiting my relatives. It was really awkward, but at least it's easy to remember (as much as I find it distasteful). But if anyone here knows about how crazy the LCMS is, it's better if I just go with it for the 15-20 seconds than spark an entire argument with my entire family.
“I think I’m more afraid of this than I am of the conscious sex dolls.” 😂 I’m sorry man. That’s really funny to me, though I do understand.
Clicking on the link to the survey brings up a warning that it's not a safe site.
I took your test, as an asexual there were several I simply couldn't answer or had to skip. Thankfully the survey lets you do that.
The movie bored me to tears. And the hostility toward Buddhism and the soppy, bloated, and overblown Christian horn-blowing made all the “dramatic” torture-moments giggle-worthy.
The robot dolls are really beautiful. I watched news footage of them. They remind me of avatars in gaming.
With anyone that wasn't family, when asked to join hands and pray, I would say "I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to pray to a god that demanded the killing of children."
Take A Moment
Seth my friend, The madness of belief is unbelievable?
Stay Safe and
Stay Free
I think the films goes to show that there's no way we can have the same values with theists, not even close. And if they're right, they have a point. I mean, yeah, crucifiction, boiling water and so on are terrible, but they'd be mere inconveniences if afterwards you get to hang out with Jesus in heaven, or with a harem full of girls who feed you rice, not to mention mortals will sing you songs of praise. This philosophy leads to a very clear and terrifying result: human life is *not* the highest value we have, so it's okay to have crusades, or throw planes on skyscrapers or refuse this or that medical care because it's against the holy book. I've never been religious, I grew in a secular home so I don't really know how to relate to theists, but I think I might have actually died for my beliefs- not because I'm braver or more moral than anyone else, but rationally it'd be just a small disruption to what I enjoy in life, with the added bonus of whichever version of heaven I'd subscribe to.
Pets: Humans, you are leaving me, aren't you?
Human: yup!
Cat: FINALLY!!
Dog: What have I done?????
....WHYYYYYYYYY????????!!!!!!
1) sex dolls - as someone who as experienced rape, I do not like the idea of an opportunity for anyone to act out, resulting in positive reinforcement for self gratification at the expense of others.
2) group blessing during meals - as I have done before, I will not join hands with the table but will clasp my hands on my lap and bow my head without a word; not in prayer but to give those who want to complete their ritual their space and freedom without compromising my will. There are also occasions I may pre empt the hosts and request they perform their prayers in the kitchen with the food, then holler for me to come help them serve it up to the rest of the dinner party
... Personally, I have had the " Group Prayer " thing happen in MY house many times ... I just didn't give a rat's tuchus. And if someone had wanted me to join hands because I was next to him at the table, I would gently, but firmly take their offered hand - and presented it to the next person in line, and let THEM decide.
I bought the food, I helped to prepare the food, I contributed the table upon which the food will be consumed - along with the roof overhead, the central heating that keeps us dry and warm, and several hours of my time ... my house, my rules , BUT - if I am at their house and I am expected to join into this ritual, I will politely demure ... If they want me to leave - I'll do that too - and in peace.
It's funny that you refer to sex as "The Other" meaning something strange or scary, since "The Other" is slang for sex in 1970s British English "Fancy a bit of the other, luv?" and so forth
This was really funny, Seth. I mean, your own stand-up special funny.
Seth Andrew's, damn it, now I've listened ahmgqon, (yep, all yours I go back to). Last time, the pets were funny. But, having lost our 15 yr service dog a couple weeks ago, 'tis bittersweet. As for the dinner hand holding. Just tale the hands, while he's praying, you say, a bit quieter than him but audible, "and I give thanks to the animals who died after tortured lives, to the hwho picked, grew, and picked, and those who cooked and served, this wonderful dinner!" (You can say Amen, if you like. Not sure,but I was told it means, 'So be it'! 👍💙💙💙🥰✌
Classic, good times Seth.
The doll coming to life... Wasn't that the plot of the original Bladerunner?
Can you make an episode about the Devil? On how how is it if he’s able to do his evil.
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
No. It's totally a manipulatory move. I would bring it up in private rather than making a scene.
It kind of seems like the whole point of using a sex doll would only be out of sheer desperation, because your town doesn't have a brothel with humans at it. Why would you want to rent someone's gross doll when you could just buy one and keep it at home? You rent a prostitute. You can buy a doll.
Dario Argento, movie director. Had not heard of him. I'll check him out. Thank you.
Regarding cats complaining, something similar happened to me. I had just gotten married a few months prior to this event. I was living in Wyoming and had gone to dinner and a movie in Denver, Colorado. We got back at 2am, did the usual petting the three cats and got into bed. Just then, one of the cats hopped up onto the bed, meowed angrily and peed on the bed. He then jumped off and trounced away happily, apparently. So much for getting good sleep.
About the aircraft pressurization, it is usually set to the "AUTO" position. Therefore, it is not something one really gets concerned. The problem is when someone bumps the switch, or maintenance did not reset it, it gets a problem like you mentioned.
Read "The Dancing Partner" by Jerome K.Jerome for a good clockwork doll nightmare.