英語はどうすれば良くなりますか？ How I learned English 1
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- 元・外語大生のひとり言です。帰国子女でも、英語の権威でもございませんが、頂いた質問に僕なりに答えていきますので、よければご覧下さい。ひとり言なので、質問は英語に関連していなくても気軽にどうぞ。次回は来週末あたりに投稿する予定です。
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Am I the only one who was amused to see the anime style pictures in the adult textbook?
BerserkerDwarf it could be textbook disguised manga?
It is probably that way because it would be more interesting to kids to see pictures in the form of Anime or Manga characters that they see and enjoy for entertainment. It helps to put them in a casual setting conducive to learning......maybe?
My Korean language lesson books had cartoons too. It helps to make dialogs in perspective and interesting. There are no guidance in your native language so it helps to have visuals.
The major problem with English, Jun, is that it's a conglomerate of languages and a lot of the words follow the forms of tenses of the original language. Learning English is pretty much just brute memorization because there is NO FN sense or rules that exist across the board.
When kids learn their native language no one says, "Honey - that's the wrong tense to use in that sentence...". You correct the kid and eventually they learn. *WE* don't know the reasons, either - we go by if it *sounds* right.
Sad, but true.
Dorine Lanni So many English "rules" I've had to unlearn.
Dorine Lanni This is true, even when it comes to writing papers. I've always had Professors tell me to read our writing out loud to catch to see if it sounds grammatically correct (though sometimes it's hard to tell and then you have to have another person to catch the error).
Dorine Lanni I love the comment about the english language of "We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary" because it is so true. Other languages do this as well but i dont think its nearly as often as english has.
zazuch And I think American English is the Prof. Moriarty of Holmesian languages.
Dorine Lanni Yea, it's a weird phenomenon. When something is your native language, or even when you start to become more proficient in one you are learning, grammar just starts to sound right and wrong to you. You start speaking correctly, but can't always explain why something is actually incorrect to say. It's pretty interesting how that works.
ス◯ードラーニングを家族全員で試したところ日本語の例文ばかり覚えてしまいました…
+Hamatarou いやぁ、体育と美術以外の教科は全てどこかしら苦手意識を持っていましたから、抵抗感半端なかったですよ。日本人なのに、どうしてグッドモーニングとか先生に挨拶しなければいけないのだろうとか思っていましたし。笑) 大学は入学早々にあったフレッシュマンズキャンプ（親睦会的なお泊りキャンプ）で、仲良くなったクラスメイトが外国生まれだったり、帰国子女だったり、ハーフだったりで、インストラクターも外国籍の先生でしたから、もう何を聞かれても"ＨＡＨＡＨＡ!"と嗤っていました...まあ、開き直れば人間は強いみたいですね。笑) 当時の目標ですか？とりあえず「青点取りたくない」でしたよ。ＨＡＨＡＨＡ！
Rachel & Jun No idea. 10/10
+Rachel & Jun Junさんに質問です。僕は大阪の私立の男子中学校に通っている中学３年生です。でも僕はちょっとした虐めから学校には行けていません。正直自殺を考えた時期もありました。そしてうつ病と診断されました。うつ病になると何に対しても興味が持てなくなるのですが、僕も同じように何にも興味が持てませんでした。でもただひとつ思いついて興味を持てるようになったのはアメリカです。そのころから…まあ哲学みたいな話なんですが、毎日同じ生活を送っている自分のことを凄くつまらなく思って生きた死体だと思うようになったんです。こんなみんなと同じようなありきたりの人生は嫌だと思いました。アメリカのいたるところを廻って…何かをしたいわけでもありませんが…その行為自体に意味がある気がしています。でも英語の成績は悪いし…ジェスチャーとか魂で伝えるっていうのは得意なほうなので武器にはなるかとは思ってるんですが、そんなことより前に中学生でアメリカを一人旅するというのはなかなか厳しいですし…もちろん一人旅じゃないと意味がないんです。それに留学なんていうのも気が引けます。結局は毎日が多少違ってもだいたい同じような生活が起こるわけなのでそれも嫌なんです。放浪という形が望ましいんです。
でもやっぱり日本よりは危ない国なので親も反対します。本当に僕はどうすればいいんでしょうか。このまま日本にいる生活はつまらなさすぎて本当に嫌なんです。
重い長文失礼しました。
+ヒロスケ 鬱と思えば、本当に鬱になるし、精神科の先生は病名をつけて患者を本当に病気にするのが仕事。人生悲観するのは、まだまだ早すぎるね。アメリカ行って何をしたいのかをはっきりさせないと、無駄に時間を浪費するし、目的の無い努力なんて徒労でしょ。世界が狭いから病むんじゃないの？
minder うつの症状は少しづつ快方に向かってはいます。でも世界が小さいからというのはその通りです。だから、世界に放浪して大きな世界を見たいんです。人生を悲観しかけた時に外国という希望を見つけてそこに向かおうと思ったんです。なので今は人生を悲観してはいません。放浪といってもただ外国で過ごせばいいのではなく、アメリカ大陸を横断したいぐらいに思っています。僕にはまだ分かりませんがこれは目的とは違いますか？
minder 大陸横断はアメリカについて考えていた時に思いついたものです。アメリカにまずは留学するにしてもずっと学校に行って授業を受けるというのは嫌です。授業もあるけれど自由に旅をする時間が与えられる高校やプログラムなどはありませんでしょうか。凄く自分勝手だとはおもいますが…もしご存知でしたら、教えてください。お願いします。
I completely agree with Jun when it comes to learning a foreign language, you have know why you're learning it, to have a purpose otherwise when you get frustrated you'll be far more likely to give up.
@@calatwork7308 that is me with spanish, i don't want to learn the language but i kinda have to if i want to speak to my 40 cousins in mexico
ジュンさんの話しとても面白かったです。
自分は英語は趣味で始めたのですが、最初は何も分からず相当昔の
中学の時の英語の教本で始めました。さすがにThis is a penレベルの文法は分かっても、
比較級あたりで挫折。そんなレベルでした。そして大学で英語を専攻していた友達が
留学生たちと流暢に英語で話しているのを見た時に、自分もああなったらいいなぁ。
なんて思ったのですが、さすがに途中から英語の専攻に切り替えるわけにもいかず、
ずっと自分一人で勉強しました。自分の場合、とにかく頭で文を作って独り言会話を話すことを
やりました。一人二役でずっと会話する感じです。シャドーイングはしてません。音読と一人会話をとにかく続けて、英語がとにかく楽しくなり、音読も続けてたら文法も勝手に頭の中に入ってくるようになり、数年後にはいつの間にか英語以外勉強何もやりたくない。と思うようになり、大学卒業して１年間ニートになり英語をこもって勉強して、その後アメリカの大学院に行ってました。本当に気づいたらそうなってた、という感じです。もう昔の話しです。 英語は好きになれば本当に出来るようになると思います。あと単純ですが諦めない事だと思います。
同感です
Very nice :^)
i have a massive respect for people who learn English, it can be a very difficult language to learn, even for native it can be a tricky as we go through our school lives... i myself have been trying to learn Japanese, if anyone has any advice, apps or books they can recommend, id be greatly thankful.
Michael Grant memrise is useful to learn vocabulary imo www.memrise.com
jean paul Fiorini awesome, ill give it ago ty ^^
Michael Grant if you think about it, even grown adults cant spell English (native) properly, probably not even speak it as well ahahahhaa most of them are tramps tho
Elliot Benjamin haha yeah and i know a few :D
LucentCausality oh nice language partners, ive considered a language partner, but for some with social anxiety its a bit tricky but im getting better at it ^^
Rachel, please do a series like this helping us to learn Japanese or just talking about your experience learning Japanese. Please, please, please, please, please, pleeeaasssse...
I agree with this.
I think it's great that you share your "wisdom" with us 😊 I'm 15 and from Germany and I am also learning englisch because i would love to travel and communicate with different People.
Thanks for the Video ^-^
I am from germany too and I am 20 ! I always loved learning english! \°^°/ Thats why I started to learn it in games or movies and thats even better :D
Wow, so many Germans here, that's awesome! Keep on studying English, it's very useful for many different things :) compared to Japanese people we are luckier, since English is at least a little bit similar to German ;)
***** Man,italian is hard :O (i'm italian btw) Good luck with that! :D
Skal da You're 15 and German and you wrote the comment in English perfectly? You're awesome. "This is a pen." is the only sentence I knew when I was 15 and I still haven't even got a chance to say that in my life...Thank you for the comment! ^^
***** Maybe you are right about that :D Germans are everywhere! :D
Hey Rachel & Jun!
Great video and idea for a series! Jun's English and especially pronunciation are fantastic, and I'm sure he can help a lot of people. I had no idea about akaten/aoten! I hope I haven't terrified my students too much by using red ink for all of them...
Also, this might be a bit weird, but I just wanted to say thank you.
I moved to Japan a year ago, and your videos really helped me with what to expect (plus some great places to visit!). Without informative J-vloggers like you I'd have been far less prepared and felt much more alone. It seems strange that you could be part of my support network, because we've never met and you don't know me at all, but it helped so much just to know other people experienced the same things as me and to hear how they dealt with them.
I love my life here so much, and that's partially thanks to you. Thank you so much.
I sound a bit crazy now, so I'm going to stop. But please keep putting out videos, and have a fantastic day. :)
Jun. I'm loving your recent posts. I'm a native English speaker who has enjoyed both Rachel and your English videos for a long time. You have both inspired me to visit Japan (hopefully before golden week next year). Your recent Japanese videos have tempted me to Learn more. Right now I have next to no comprehension of Japanese and am using captions to understand. I hope to one day watch you without the need for subtitles. Thank you so much. Both your passions shine through in your content. Keep up the amazing work.
It seems like us native speakers are just as excited about this series as the people trying to learn English are about it.
I hear a lot of people complain about how verbs work in the English language, but as a native French speaker, I can safely say that learning verbs in English is much easier than in French. The French language has far more tenses and however you conjugate a verb depends entirely on what group that verb belongs to, and that's not even counting irregular verbs, cause we got them too. If that sounded complicated to you, that's because it is. It's astonishing how needlessly complicated French is.
We all want to believe our naive language is the hardest one in the world, but every language has its easy parts and its hard parts. Verbs aren't the only thing that make a language (a very important part, but not the only thing)
I meant *native* not naive
TheOutlawedPanda I'm just saying that French verbs are flat out ridiculous compared to how English and Spanish verbs work.
ShadyKnight9 the numbering system drives me nuts. English people just say "Eighty Two" 80 and 2. French say Quatre Vingt Deux - Fourty Twenties and Two.
SantomPh Oh yeah, there's that too. Also, a literal translation of "quatre-vingt-deux" would be "four-twenty-two", which probably sounds like a padlock combination.
English is so inconsistent because, it contains a lot of words from other languages, and different languages have different rules, making the English language a mess.
Not to mention the metric fuckton of slang we use. England is vastly different from America. Even different corners and subcultures in the US use so many different words to say the same thing. Try explaining the word "dope" to someone learning english....
joegt123 "Dope" meaning "cool" or "thats fuckin sugoi desu"
just ghetto talk for u
Elliot Benjamin It's also a term for idiot or moron, and it's also a drug term. That being my point. The same pointless little word can have 3, 4, 10 meanings. English is so chock full of confusing crap, it's amazing anyone can learn it.
wflute1999 Even the roots of various English words come from different languages (i.e. Latin v.s. Greek), plus the tons of loanwords we have from other various cultures (i.e. "fiancé" is French, "kindergarten" is German, "karaoke" is Japanese) and, of course, all the different slang.
wflute1999
No language is completely independent though.
Videos in Japanese like this are very helpful to native English speakers learning Japanese as well because I can watch without subtitles and see how much I actually understand from my lessons. Thank you so much!! I really enjoy all the videos that you two make and share with us!
pinkpotatoglitter
I was thinking the same thing as I am learning Japanese since I have been visiting my daughter who lives and works in Aomori for sometime now. Very helpful to anyone studying the language 👍
とても共感できることが多いです。自分の場合はロシア在住でロシア語なのですが、ТРКИ(ロシア語版TOEIC) で高い点数をとれる外国人がペラペラに話せるというわけではなく、逆にペラペラに話せる人が高い点数をとれるわけでもありません。もちろん両方できる人もいますが。
それらは同じ言語でも性質が違って、いくら速読ができても、会話で発音悪すぎたらネイティブは理解できません。そういったことを踏まえると自分の言語学習の目的を考えてそれにあったことをやっていくのがベストですね。
言語を勉強していろんな人とコミュニケーションがとれるようになることはとても楽しいしモチベーションになります。そして自分の世界を広げてくれます。
武道の隠喩はとても凄かったです。その方法で決して思わなかったから、とても分かりやすくて、面白かったです。
A few weeks back I was sitting in Belfast City airport and had an hour to kill before my flight was due to board, so I pulled out my phone, went to TH-cam and started going through the Japanesepod101 lessons from the start again with my earphones in. What I didn't realise was that instead of mouthing out the responses or whispering them to myself, I was talking them out in a normal conversational voice.
After twenty minutes of doing these videos, I put my phone away to get up and go for a walk. As soon as my phone was in my pocket I heard a female voice next to me say "Your pronunciation of my language is rather good. How long have you been studying?"
These was a Japanese businesswoman sitting next to me and she had been listening intently to me as I repeated the lessons from my phone. So we spent the next thirty minutes talking before my plane was due to board.
Her English was fantastic, a few errors here and there but her pronunciation was perfect. She had moved to the Philippines in order to study English and explained to me that a lot of people from all over Asia would go there in order to learn English.
AnimeOtakuFuriku Talking to strangers at airports is always fun. ^^ I always talk to at least 2 people whenever I go to one.
Rachel & Jun Over here in the UK you would just get a strange look as if to say "Please don't mug me!"
As a Filipino I can personally confirm the large amounts of people coming here to study English, mainly Korean's though. But tbh it's kinda strange for me why people would come here to learn English 😅
@@starchy101 they teach english in depth, much more in depth compared to filipino. it makes me sad
@@2rralba atleast Tagalog is documented! Try going to Cebu and kids younger than me(I'm 16) have so much English words in their speech that they cant even understand Balitang Bisdak. The Metro Cebu dialect of Bisaya is slowly devolving into an English creole language ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
My French teacher said that you need a reason to learn a language otherwise, even if you really want to speak the language, the motivation won't be there. She said it could be simple like wanting to learn it so you could watch TV in that language. She went around the class and asked but because everybody is made to learn a language for the first year or so in (British) high school she didn't get much if a response. I had no idea so I just went with the crowd and said "I don't know" but it made me think and then I thought and thought about and then decided why. Now, I have her for my GCSEs (you choose these yourself) and this time she asked why (learning a language is not mandatory, for GCSEs anymore). Most people didn't have a reason and they only chose French because they didn't know what else to do. Then when she came to me I said "I want to learn French because I want to learn French" and she said that that is good enough because once you have a reason to learn a language then your learning will be much more satisfying and thus enjoyable and motivating. So, moral of the story is if you want to learn a language then find out why you want to learn that language otherwise it'll be harder for you to learn.
ダニエル I remember those days, man it's such a chore to be shoved into learning a language in school. You don't really have a choice (or we didn't), so majority of people try to pick what they think will be the easier language to get through. I choose French too, and whilst I was interested at the beginning my motivation really sank when it got increasingly harder. I simply forgot what I had learned in previous lessons, homework was done with swift google searches and I gradually got behind. I think languages (besides English, I know foreigners took that exclusively besides the "normal" English, which is expected since they are in an English country) should be optional, pretty much all the people I know who aced their chosen language only really recall about the first ten numbers and a few ways to say hello and goodbye. If you don't have a reason to want to learn, you're not going to get much out of it at all.
ダニエル learning one language (my school offered french and german) and one technology (textiles, food or woodwork) was mandatory for GCSEs when i was a pupil, unless you took either both languages or you took two technologies instead of one of each. i was class of 2003 though, so it's been a long time. but i can relate in that since we were forced to take a language, no one really had an actual motivation for learning it. i picked german cos i found it easier than french xD but i ended up liking it and i guess i indirectly found my own motivation because whilst i started off doing well up until year 9, i slacked off in year 10 and started getting bad grades. after that, i started working harder in order to pass my GCSEs and ended up doing well (i almost got an A in german, but i choked on the speaking part of the exam due to nervousness and ended up with a B xD). although i liked german, i soon forgot it right after my exams >.>
Ha in my school we have to study 3 languages to get into college.(English Irish and one other. I chose French)
ダニエル lol thats true i spent liek 3 years of school learning french and i barely even learned how to tell time lol
***** Cool, I want to go and live in France
うわー！良いアドバイスだった
次の動画が楽しみ～
１・ 現在形 go 「どこに行くの？」
２・ 過去形 went 「どこに行ったの？」
３・過去完了 gone 「どこに行っていたの？」
って留学を通して多分こんな感じなんだろうなって思った。
@@ykxna3137 行ったきりと行って帰ってきたという差かな？
Learning english is really worth it!
When i just take myself for a example now : everytime i want to look something up on the internet or everytime that i am searching content about a topic, i search for it in english instead of my native language. The results you get are more in quantity and quality.
Also the fact that you can talk to people from Albania to Zambia is simply amazing imo.
I couldn't stop staring at the background setting. So beautiful! I love home decor so this is a satisfying vid lol and very helpful tips, even to someone learning japanese!!
すごい為になる動画でした！次回動画、楽しみにしています！
素晴らしいです！面白いビデオためにありがとうございます~
格闘技の例えが面白かったです！
Awesome job on the video. very well thought out and detailed good luck on this series. You'll do really great with it.
こんなに沢山日本語しゃべっているjunさん初めてみました^_^
I enjoyed this video a lot. I think the straightforward, conversational style is what was most appealing to me. A good sense of familiarity will surely be helpful to those looking to learn from you. Thank you for the guidance you are providing.
I really liked your fighting sports analogy! That was great. 目的も大事ですね。
留学英語が喧嘩、てのはめっちゃわかります！！！
自分はドイツ語圏ですけど、とにかく相手と意思の疎通を図らないと家も借りられないし飯も食えない！！！
文法的に正しく、とか前置詞の使い方を正確に、とか言うてられません。。。
長くいてるとそこから次第にブロークンじゃなくなっていくのも実感しますが、、、
I don't know why i watched this, but I enjoyed watching Jun talk, he speaks very fluidly and doesn't stammer much. And when I decide to learn more Japanese than simple 1 to 3 word phrases, his teachers' quoting will help me learn. Thanks.
these videos are great, im also still learning english because im studying translation at uni, i speak spanish btw and id love to see rachel talking about her experience learning japanese
I have been teaching in one of the Japanese online language schools for a year now. You perfectly voiced all of my concerns, and all the awkward questions I have been asked. After overcoming cultural differences, I came to the similar conclusions about the importance of purpose and motivation for learning a language. You gave a really nice presentation of the types of learners.
I'm looking forward to the next video. I love recommending your videos to my students, so this series should be great for that. :)
いつも楽しく拝見しています。お二人の動画を見て英語の勉強しています。色々な話題を取り上げていらっしゃるので、とても楽しいです‼️
Thanks Jun!
これめっちゃ知りたかった！英語が拙いが故に、説得力のある文章を書けず、悔しい思いをすることが多いので。Junさんの本格的な勉強が大学以降と知ってびっくり。必然に迫られることの影響力って、相当強いのかも。次回も楽しみにしています。
Rkr03412 ご視聴・コメント、ありがとうございます。^^
はじめてみました。教え方上手でスッとはいってきます。このひと地頭力ありますねー！
It's actually pretty cool to see it from the other side of the line. I know English isn't the easiest language to learn (even most American's struggle with it), so to see how people who didn't grow up with it have trouble gives more insight into things. I can't wait to see how the rest of the series goes and what your suggestions are!
I learnt English by watching Tv and playing videogames when I was younger, but ofcourse as a kid you learn a language a lot easier.
*****
Yeah me too and I avoided subtitles as much as possible. It was like a survival situation: if you want to enjoy the show/game, you'll have to learn and fast xD
Jimcrv How would you learn without subtitles if you don't have a reference to learn your language's equivalent to an English word? For example, I'm casually learning German and want to soon step outside of Duolingo once I finish all of the lessons on there. I'd like to get a textbook next and then an audiobook so I can listen to the language. But how does one just hear a language and understand it? Maybe this isn't a good example because with shows, you have pictures for context. But I'm still curious to know how listening to just the language with no suns helped. For me, the only advancement I'd make would be pronunciations and maybe a few small phrases. If a character started on a monologue or anything longer than twenty words, I'd be lost.
Fluffymiyster
Well, I started with baby shows for English-speaking kids when I was really little because I really liked the way the language sounded.
Then when I started watching cartoons (Cartoon Network for example did not have any subs at the time) I already knew some basics and tried to get as much as possible from the context. Sometimes I failed horribly but I started getting the hang of it and being able to make associations, like with my mother tongue. I guess I learned it the same way I learned portuguese.
When I started learning English at school I was already far ahead of my classmates (not trying to brag here, sorry if it sounds that way) so I just went ahead and tried to learn more complicated things by myself.
Same here! I remember watching cartoon network, disney channel, and nickelodeon a lot as a kid even though I don't really understand what they're saying. I just relied on the video to know what's happening. In the Philippines, English is taught to us starting in Kindergarten, but even with that advantage, english cartoons was still the main reason I was much better at it than most people in my class. I'm not very good academically, mainly because I'm really lazy and hate studying, but I excelled in English because it came naturally for me due to being continuously exposed to the language at a very young age.
*****, Stacy Kristen Thank you both! I think this applies to any country but in terms of learning a language at school, the school usually offers what is most practical for that region. I remember taking French in 4th grade (French is our third or fourth most spoken language and Canada has a large French-speaking population). Since I live in the U.S. though, we had to take two years of Spanish in high school. Outside of that, though...we didn't study a language other than English.
No college/university in my area offers German so it'll be a complete self-study for me. Jun is quite right, you have to find your reason to learn so that you have a goal to strive for. I have no real reason to study German...I know next to nothing about the country or even places to visit, lol! That's why I say I'm just learning for fun. But because of that, I miss days of practicing.
this will be really interesting to watch as somebody who's a native english speaker, seeing how foreign people learn english and the problems around trying to learn it
Very useful and differentiated video, thank you!
My native language is german so I am also still learning english (not actively but through watching a lot of movies, videos and reading english texts). I don't think what you said just apllies to learning english, it's also necessary to know what your goal is / for what reason you want to learn a language no matter what language you chose.
I want to start learning korean soon and your video made me think about my goals again, which will influence the way of leaning I will choose.
Thank you for making this video. I'm looking forward to your next one!
Greetings from Germany ~
I like your comparison of English language types to martial art types, I never thought about it that way! I am a native English speaker trying to learn Japanese and I think the same rules can apply.
本当に助かります！
ありがとうございます😊
That was a super interesting video and I'm really looking forward to the series to be continued. It reminds me of my own troubles with the English language - especially the tenses-thing XD
I totally agree that you need a reason to learn a language. At school I had to take French classes with the result that today I could barely count up to ten in this language.
And like some people already wrote in the comments it would be great if Rachel could do a similar series on her experience learning Japanese (which I'm currently studying).
This was one of the best videos i've seen lately. Seriously. Really liked it. 9,9/10.
thank you for your video, it is useful to me
I was impressed when you said that your teacher actually tried to explain why/how the words change in English. My teachers never bothered to do that! But at the end of the day, I guess I had my share of confusion with English at about the same stage of learning.
On a side note, it's so great watching Jun talk for a whole video! :D Something we're really not used to!
I've just started studying Japanese using apps at the moment (until I find good text books) and I've started watching lots of Japanese TV and you tubers and it really helps! I would suggest doing things like that to learn English. Or find an internet friend/pen pal who speaks the specific language you're learning!
YES, love playlists.
i'm going to share these vids with a friend in Japan who feels pretty down with his English (even though he had progressed soooo much since the last time we met!). ありがとう、じゅんさん！がんばって。
As a (sometimes) ESL teacher I really enjoyed hearing your take. :)
すーごいわかりやすいです
I love that little bit about your teacher being the other aotan. XD
And you hit some important points about reason (motivation) and types of learning, which is true about learning any language. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series!
Although this I'm not part of the target audience for this video, your English learning analogies are HILARIOUS.
Also, I got to learn about aoten. Who knew there was something even lower!
It's funny how my teachers at school here drew that same timeline.I live in Portugal by the way.
Great video :) Keep it up
とてもおもしろいビデオです！！！
Wow your analogy for learning English was very interesting!
It made me think what purpose I have in learning other languages.
Thank you for that. :D
格闘技の例えが興味深かったです！
Though I'm sure this must be among the things you'll recommend, I'll mention it, just in case:
One great tool for learning a language, whatever it might be, is TV.
Basically, watching TV shows, movies and stuff, in the language you want to learn, is an invaluable complement to your learning.
It's not that good by itself (unless you're very young, and even then you'll need more, as you grow up, to get a more grown up competency), but it is extremely good in helping you to get a feel for the grammar, increasing the size and quality of your vocabulary and doubtless some more benefits
...and it does so, without you having to spend any noticeable energy/effort.
Indeed, it can, and should, be rather enjoyable. In fact, it'll be more effective, if you enjoy what you're watching.
格闘技の振り分けは「なるほど！」と思いました。これからも楽しみながら閲覧させていただきます。
I loved the boxing, karate, etc. references. The street-fighting one made me laugh, but it's so true!
ooh! Looking forwards to your next video. I actually get the same question a lot, too, being more fluent than most average high school students. But I can't find the answer myself. I was born in Vietnam, my parents don't know a single English word. I also had the worst English score in 1st grade and at that time English and Math were my enemies. But then in 3rd grade summer, my sister started tutoring me and for some reasons I got better. She taught 3 kids, me and 2 cousins, we all listened to the alphabet song and I just started singing along. I don't remember the details but after that we started learning vocabs and I went so much further from the other 2. Then in 4th grade, we had cable and I spent my days on disney channel. I began to imitate the character's speech and gradually be able to hold a conversation in English. Grammar lessons go way back to junior high. Life was so easy ever since that I only questioned myself about all of these when I took German in high school, wondering why it wasn't as easy as English!? So anyway, now many people are asking me to teach them English and I'm at dead end!
im an american wanting to go to japan for schooling and maybe one day teach English in japan so this type of video was really fun to watch. thanks for the content
I'm an American and I have been learning French for seven years now. I could not agree more with your point about needing a reason to learn a language. I've declared a major in international relations, so becoming fluent in the language I've spent so much time on is my top priority (not to mention learning other languages along the way).
Thank you Mr. Jun for making this video series. This is very helpful to me, as an English speaker learning Japanese and Korean because you give your honest opinion and knowledge while still making the content enjoyable. Your dialogue with Siri is very funny.
+Christine Cha I want to learn Korean because I would like to connect with my family members in Korea. I also want to be able to communicate with Koreans living in America so I can connect with them more easily and help them make the transition to living here a less stressful experience.
I would like to learn Japanese in order to travel, speak with Japanese native speakers (gain a better understanding of Japanese culture), read Japanese literature, and be able to watch anime and J-drama without subtitles.
ハンサムで知的で声も素敵でむかつくw(妬み)
Eri Nakamura ほほほほ..
English is not my first language, but I'm pretty confident with my English so I tried learning another language. I learned Korean for a while (already fluent with reading and a bit staggered in writing, but low on grammar), got tired of it and now trying to learn Japanese. So far I have already learned 90% of hiragana, 0% with katakana and like 0.01% kanji LOL I think I have to find my motivation to learn Japanese before I got tired of it in the middle. Thanks Jun-san!
Junさん、このコーナーすっごく良かったです。
Kuto Game実況ch ありがとうございます。実況頑張ってください。^^
はい！お褒めの言葉有難う御座います（≧∇≦）
これからも実況頑張ります！！
yay! a full Japanese video which means I can study and procrastinate at the same time!
I love the "martial arts" analogy! And I imagine that it applies to any foreign language learning ....those 4 purposes are probably consistent!
Hi, thanks for this video! Although I am not your intended audience, as a native English speaker teaching English in Korea, your experience and advice was very interesting to me. I like your idea of knowing your purpose in learning a language. I think I will try to implement this in my classroom next semester. I will also consider it for myself as I am seeking to learn Korean. :) (And maybe some Japanese after that.)
The little street fighting image! It wouldn't be one of Jun's videos without cats somewhere!
Thank you for the opposing view of learning English from Japanese. I have been thinking of trying to learn Japanese. So this is very useful
Excellent video Jun. I agree with you on needing a 'purpose' in language learning - I think it definitely helps with motivation. When I had to learn Italian in high-school it was compulsory and I didn't get good marks. But when I chose to learn it for a holiday I found myself remembering a lot more and had confidence to try and speak it.
English - my mother-tongue, well what can I say? Syntax is logical, and not very difficult. Adjectives do not vary; conjugation is almost Esperanto-like. However if you ever meet the person who engineered the monstrously difficult orthographic system make sure to let them know how you feel.
Concerning phonemes, English uses some difficult sounds, like those in ‘thing’ or ‘soothe’. These sounds are, in my opinion, impossible to master perfectly unless you have lived in an English-speaking environment before turning 16-18. Barring natives of a particular English region however, everyone has an accent.
With English, I feel that it is an easy language to pick up at the start. Many students can start speaking it fairly quickly and progress rapidly through the early stages. This might be because it seems not to have the complexity and abundance of grammatical rules that many languages have. However, this is also one of its difficulties; having mastered the basics of English, many students then find it hard to reach the very high levels, because there are so many exceptions to everything and so many funny little rules. I would rather say that its ease or difficulty depends upon its level, that is, its conversation is easy, but its analytic-syntactical semantics is hard. I would recommend that vocabulary should be learned in context rather than through rote memorisation.
Bad English is bad English. Just like bad French is bad French. Though I think we are more forgiving compared to a lot of Parisians for example. The thing is almost everyone will tolerate bad English if they still understand you and anyway they will have heard so much of it by the time you talk to them that they won't mind. This gives (in my opinion), a false sense of security to English language learners and licence to be lazy.
Of course English is not perfect; no language is. I definitely think English could do with more everyday formality. In fact I sometimes wonder what it would be like to have the Early Middle English polite forms ('You' - polite, used when addressing superiors, "Thou" - used when addressing inferiors or for special intimacy) and the grammatical cases which were lost in the 14th century. There was also the interesting 12th century Old English grammatical gender [mascu. "se", fem. "seo"] (yes we used to have genders!) which gradually disappeared with the continued mixing of Old Norse and Old English in Northern England.
Many people are proud of their language's difficulties. Just as many English speakers take pride in the eccentricities and complexities of English, many like to think of their tongue as particularly difficult. While there is no connection between language and intelligence, I think many feel that if they speak a notoriously difficult language, it makes them more of an achiever than those with a language seen as 'easy'. Every language has its peculiarities, its difficult and not-so-difficult features.
Ultimately, I believe that it is a person’s perseverance and how hard they apply themselves when studying another language that makes that language seem easier or more difficult. It depends on how much time you spend listening, speaking, reading and writing in that language and how curious you are to find out things you are not sure of. Of course, it does help if the language you are studying is from the same family as your own. Within a family, there seems to be a 'proximity of logic' which shouldn't be underestimated.
The English for studying abroad/travel section is extremely accurate. :)
Huh - never heard of the martial arts metaphor before, but it really fits! I've been learning Japanese on and off since I was about 7. Would also like to be able to achieve the JLPT proficiency levels, but I still managed to get by with the little bit I do know when I visited Japan last year, and I found most people pretty patient with my simple Japanese. Going back to study night classes from next week to try and improve, as well as just for fun.
I'm from Sweden and my class started to learn English when we were in second grade (8 years old). I thought it was really easy to learn the vocabulary and the grammar. The books didn't help much, since I was far more advanced than the books. Things that helped me with my English skills: music, movies, TV-series, websites and talking to foreigners via Skype.
Great series! I hope it helps japanese people learning English! :D
My first language isn't English, but I learned it so naturally I can't even help people struggling with it. I didn't study with books or anything and I can't explain grammar rules at all. Not because I'm a genius language learner, but because I've been playing videogames and reading websites in English since I was very little, so after years of trying to understand it, it just clicked. Of course I make mistakes and there's a lot of room for improvement, but all my goals have been reached so far. Having a goal is really really helpful!
This looks like it will be such an interesting series! I am a native English speaker, and the language even confuses me sometimes.
説明上手いですねー
Hello Jun Having a definite reason for learning a foreign language is important. This reason will give you the mental energy to persist when things get frustrating or difficult.
すごいわかります！！
Thanks for making this video, I've learned that English is a very hard language to learn.keep inspiring people to learn new languages ..how long have you (Jun) been practicing English and Rachel how long have you been practicing Japanese?
I remember when I first started to learn English. I was about 4-5 years old, and learned it by watching cartoons. One day my Mom changed the program while I was watching and when I sounded my protest she said: "You don't understand what they are saying anyway.". I replied that I do understand so she changed it back and challenged me to prof it by translating. I did. After that she just left the room to talk to my Dad. The next day they sighted me to English learning group at kinder garden. It wasn't my goal to learn it at that time. It was just fun to watch the cartoons.
That english textbook looks like an adult manga! LOL! I want it just for the awesome pictures. Do they have a japanese textbook like that?
Thank you for making this series! I'm really looking forward to the next videos! Being an English teacher, I think these videos will really help me get into the minds of the students and focus my teaching. :)
it is funny, really, because I was terrible in English and now I study it as a translator. I´ve started to improve when I see how many good books and videos are there for me to watch and all I´ve needed to do was reaching for it in foreign language for me - so in fact I was not trying to improve my language purposefully at all... and now I am trying to do the same thing with my Spanish and Japanese (I have just started but it is so much fun and challenge for me so I hope I will grasp it soon..... keep your fingers for me. I keep mine for any learners of English watching this.) Thank you for great video! :)
The book I used to English classes in high school is called 'How to learn English?'.
When I decided that I would like to go live in another country , I started paying attention to English classes . I guess that was my motivation. And I knew that I learned when I heard a song in English and could understand what they were singing . I was so excited! So I kept studying eager to learn more , until I finished high school.
I want my English be black ribbon. Or as good as is Rachel's english.
This is such a good message and motivation for me to stick to learning languages that may be difficult for me now. :D
この動画楽しい！てか例えがうまいｗｗｗ
がんばって to those working on learning english
I really like how you used martial arts to describe language learning. I definitely felt like I got thrown into street fights when I moved to the U.S. back in high school. Teenagers use random slangs and whatever trendy words, and they talk really fast. Grammar didn't matter that much in daily conversation, as long as you don't confuse people. But I had the peer pressure to get rid of my accent as soon as possible, this was to avoid getting picked on at school (High school kids are very judgmental).
This is such a great video! Jun is so interesting and funny, and I think/hope the advice can probably be turned around to learning Japanese as an English speaker! :) Can't wait for more
Very interesting hearing a Japanese person explaining away English! O: I love the comparison of English for traveling to street fighting. I think that's really accurate! Even for fluent speakers, English is constantly changing, and you have to constantly be on your game to know the current way of speaking.
I wonder if the fighting comparisons are the same, or are similar for learning Japanese?
Jun,with this video you made me remember how bad i was at english at elementary school. And how much i am good at it now. I know,I still have a lot to study but i sure as hell agree with you that it doesn't matter if you're bad or good when you begin studying it or if you find it "boring".When i was at the elementary school i kinda "hated" it because i thought it was useless and a loss of time. But i don't know how or when,my way of looking at english changed. Now i am at the third year in high school studying marketing and i think that is one of the most important subjects that a person could study in school along with other important languages (like french).I think that it may depend on how a person grows. And i also wanted to thank you guys because in italy i don't speak english frequently,but listening to you guys and other english-speaking youtubers i still can "practise" my english. :D (sorry for eventual errors @_@)
The verbs problem you described was almost exactly the same for me when they taught us French in school. I was totally fine speaking and writing French, including conjugating verbs but when they did all this explanation of why the verbs worked... with diagrams (just like you) my head exploded and I completely lost the ability to conjugate for awhile.
I already had the ability to speak and write it because I learned French in my regular life (I am a minority English speaker in my home town and I am surrounded by French speakers all the time, so as a consequence I learned how to function in that language as a child before I started school.) However, in school, the data came in an incompatible format. It was using the logic that I didn't know French at all and so deconstructed the language logically. Except I already had an intuitive basic understanding, so the logical deconstruction and the intuitive data set clashed badly and I was seriously confused for a few years.
Took me awhile but I eventually rejected the bad data and things got better.
It's interesting how if information is presented in a bad way, it causes learning problems.
Yep, when it's difficult for someone to learn something the best way to avoid giving up is having an objective. In my case English wasn't hard nor was it something strange to learn at school, also i went to extracurricular classes, at first because of my parents and later because i liked it, but i never had a real objective, what made me want to learn English was actually being unable to understand music, series and movies, exactly the same reason why i'm learning Japanese nowadays (because i want to be able to read manga or watch anime without being at the mercy of translators and their own biases).
I think english can be very difficult for japanese speakers to learn because of the enormous difference between grammar, structure and pronounciation, but hold on people and keep studying! It's totally worth it!
I struggled a little bit at the beginning because I didn't want to learn english at all, but then I found something I liked (Pewdiepie) and it just got so funny! That would be my advice: find something you like that you can only do using the language you're learning and things may get better. Afterwards things start to broaden and before you know it you do all kinds of stuff in a new language.
Lidia Rodrigues true that. to me as a Japanese, pronunciations are what are hard about English rather than grammar thou. about grammar, I find Spanish harder than English, since like French, each verb has a lotta forms and, like you say to a girl "¿estas cansada?" but never "¿tienes sueña?" (it's always "¿tienes sueño?") even though you're speaking to a girl. so sometimes it's confusing. but I am enthusiastic at Spanish because my girlfriend is Hispanic. that really motivates me in learning Spanish, which is good.
is your native language Spanish, or Portuguese? because I think Rodrigues is a name of either languages.
I laughed out laud when you hold up your english textbook. They do look quite different to what i had back then.
p.s. the production quality of this english textbook seems to be from an other planet...holy sh...