@What You may have a point, but I bet you've never lived in a communist country. Where you may have savings and cash, but are unable to spend it due to a perpetual deficit of the goods you'd want (i guess vinegar was always abundant). Besides, lecturers at economics classes always try to stress the "equilibrium price" where supply and demand curves meet. No one denies that price of the good/service is one the main determinants of demand (as well as income level, tastes....).
As a guy who has studied investing and loves PC part deals, this vid is an instant favorite. One aspect that’s key is what Bryan mentioned, objectivity. If you allow yourself to get emotional, you can pay too much or sell for too low.
really like the part about market theory. i've been building and selling as a side hustle for close to 9 years now. i think one component of how much to price it at is flawed and very few understand why they charge so and so. One cannot just say I'm happy with making oh - $100 on a sale and gosh that's a lot of money. it's not about that, it's about your time and risk. We can all see that making $100 on a $300 PC is different than $100 on a $1000 PC. I've invested $900 on my own money and we know that more expensive items take longer to sell and sit on the market longer. I'd much rather make the $100 on the $300 every time. This is basically called a profit margin percentage. Making a 9% margin is highly risky vs making a 30% margin. I also sell online exclusively and there are costs to sell, fees, cc processing fees, cost to ship online, boxes, bubble wrap, hiring help, taking the box in, deal with risk of returns, theft, damage, lost items, risk of return due to stupidity, people low balling/making offers etc etc. (your variables will differ if you sell locally and have to drive around and so forth - driving time is NOT free and must be factored in. By making a larger margin, I can absorb some potentially losses that happen in business. And second, I don't have as much of my own money tied up in costs/parts so I can make a 2nd/3rd PC that's also out there potentially making money. Second, my time is finite and is therefore worth money as well. So, when you determine "how much are you going to charge", it has to be based on how much time involved there is and what hourly rate your time is worth. I don't mean like you charge 8 hrs because you ran a benchmark overnight or Windows for 2 hrs doing updates. That's passive work, while you can go build the next unit. You'll have a lot of overlap when doing multiple units, getting updates or doing stress tests simultaneously and therefore how much time you spend on a unit starts to get fuzzy. You'll need to figure out what a fair amount of actual time is that you are doing real work. Let's say, I get a PC and the guy already loaded a fresh Win 10 OS with all updates. I just need to add a GPU and get the driver and it's basically done. That saved time makes me more willing to pay extra for my hourly rate that I would have otherwise had to charge. Or it also keeps you out of trap situations like fixing up a really old Core 2 Quad or Duo unit. Yes, I can theoretically fix it and sell it for $75, but if that takes me 3 hours and I have to pay for any sort of parts or upgrades, my hour rate really dwindles to where even if I got this for free, it's still a marginal decision to work on it. I'm not likely going to work on this old ass PC for $10/hr and deal with customers and questions if I can spend my time working on a unit that'll make me say $30/hr. Yes, there's that balance where you cannot possibly declare yourself worth $100/hr and then be competitive. You'll either have to price well above your competitors or you'd have get good PC parts for close to free. Good luck with that. Obviously, there's a balance there and you will need to figure that out from experience. What specs, brands, the "look" sell quickly and which ones don't. What brands might have qwirky bugs that lead to a return down the road. Oh and as an aside and a 3rd tip - once I"m done building and now am in selling mode, then my focus for that unit becomes completely based on making the sale. I am no longer dwelling on how much I paid or trying to break even. There are times I'm going to believe i can sell a PC at a certain price point and the market will prove me wrong. This is not the time to try to be stubborn and keep your price at your breakeven point on your costs. The market has no idea what you paid, nor does it care. If you went and paid full retail in a retail store and added it all together and then added your profit charge, then don't be surprised if your listing gets passed over for a month or two. Brian is right on with the making the money from the buying end. If a CPU typically goes for $50 and you paid $30, then the market still values that CPU at $50. So, you can charge "normal" price for the desktop. What I mean is if you added up all the prices for the parts at its current used going rate and sold the PC at that price, it will move pretty well for "cost". However, to you - since you paid below market on parts or waited for deals below market price, then you're keeping all that as profit while also having a huge competitive advantage of selling the PC for basically the cost of parts and no labor. You are not a builder or a tech at this point, you're a hustling business person getting value and deals and free trade-ins. This is how you crush the market. I'd love to hear other points of views or talk shop.
This wall of text provides a lot of info than I expected. I honestly never thought about calcylating my time/money, I just go ahead find parts build one and let it sit on the shop (online exclusively), while shooing away lowballers. This business is more complicated than I thought..
market pricing value part, so valuable. My father made me tey and get new parts for my build, yet people do noy value having all new vs just used parts. Im in canada, so prices are on CAD. I can either get an rx570 8gb for $260 brand new, or i can spend that money to buy a gtx 1070 for about $250 negotiated, rven less sometimes. People are gonna value that 1070 20x more than the rx570, despite the condition of new, vs used. I found two great deals on new items for cheap. got the rx570 8gb SEALED for $190 CAD with a gtx 960 2gb on the side as well. Still cheaper than retail. Adding that to a build would not add value, if anything, someone else is getting thr benefit of this new card, for my loss. Same thing for ram, got ddr3 brand new for $60, retails $120, but because ddr3 is old, people still value it at $60 for 16gb. You can not change the market, at all. As of this stage, I believe i am in the break even point. Switched out the rx570 and put in a 960, and i plan on buying used ram so at least having that new ram os worth it on my end. These tips you provided are amazing, and these are things i would of loved to know before building this first pc. JEY POINT: VALUE OVER CONDITION, unless it isnt working. Used for the most part is more reliable in getting better margins, but sometimes things like rgb and cases might not have a point for going used, even ssd’s.
Ive found bundling in a cheap 24" monitor and keyboard and mouse combo will generate more profits. A $300 built pc bundled in ive been selling for over $600. Good flip 😎👌
Yes I like to bundle in low cost rgb gaming keyboard and mouse. I spend around $25 to get $50 in value on that. But usually only in builds I sell for more than $400
hmm so you find a supplier or just buy used cause i know many times on our markets people sell monitors and or old OEMs in bulk and yeah if they all work then why not aswell as buying a bit cheaper and selling a bit higher.
I've heard it said people make the profit when BUYING parts! The principle being that if someone knows the market price point, it's important to be disciplined and stick to a planned budget. If someone gets carried away with buying parts and over pays, they'll struggle to make anything, or worse still, take a loss overall. As you mentioned, if the selling price is $/£400 then set a limit on parts spending of $/£300 maximum. If a sellers build cost is on target, they can offer a good deal that will stand out in the used market to a buyer. It is important to keep up with the current new/used market for constant changes in parts/prices. It is quite a diverse market though because of all the different needs/wants.
bryan do you sell proprietary mother board builds a lot. the ones that are a pain in the ass to switch PC cases. a guide on how to avoid those motherboards on eBay would be useful.
Yes, some office systems can offer decent value, considering cases, motherboards, processors, ram, hard drives and even power supplies are salvageable. The proprietary motherboards are not always worth the trouble to swap out. The power supply's will also often be low wattage but should still handle an 1050Ti or RX560 (both powered from the motherboard), yet can still offer some 1080p gaming.
Look the motherboard up on the manufacture’s website and on Amazon, Newegg, or whatever is your local online computer part retailer. Most proprietary motherboards are not for sale to the public. So if you find a motherboard for sale on an online parts retailer it’s probably not proprietary.
Optiplexes have proprietary power buttons but you can pull off the black plastic housing from the motherboard, slap in the case power button, short the two pins next to it with a jumper/wire and it will work fine. You should be able to use a pci expansion to get front connections working. Dell boards throw errors for the heat sensor, front panel connections, system fan, and cpu fan. Some of them you can finesse, some of them you need oem parts, but everything but the power button and the front panel connection isn’t difficult to transfer into a new case.
It's a really tough question to answer with a specific number. Especially in the states. As someone that's done this in New York, Chicago and Minneapolis I've found that each city is it's own world. In New York it was great cuz there was so many used parts that the buyers market for parts was amazing and people didn't mind spending a little more for complete builds. While in Minneapolis the parts on the used market would get snapped up immediately and good deals were much harder to find. In Chicago the used parts were great but selling them in a complete build for a decent profit wasn't as easy as the other two cities. It just takes time and effort to figure out the lay of the land. Honestly i suggest talking to people in your city if you aren't familiar with it. I've found most pc enthusiasts are more than willing to talk shop with someone like minded.
If you have resources and effort, best you can do is get those parts from New York, build a rig and sell it on areas with scarce supply like Minny. I'm doing the same in my country where I can flip the PC for 70 percent or more profit
100% of Tech YES Citizens are willing to pay up to 12% left with SCDKeys 0% of Tech YES Citizens are willing to pay full price for an OEM copy of Windows.
@@MarcoGPUtuber apparently if you comment in relation to the video title it does help search, though I haven't really tested that, perhaps on my upcoming new product reviews just go crazy with some comment about the title of the video lol.
Loved this one. Flipping has been tough lately where I live. Not much on the used market and not many people buying PCs in general right now. Have been resorting to Ebay to bring price to performance to my area.
Another thing I've noticed is that buyers sometimes think graphics cards are better just because of the higher number. Had a buyer want a swap from a GTX 970 to a 1050Ti while also paying an additional $50.
@@jeneralgod Yeah true. I was more of saying I guess, a lot of misconceptions about 9 series vs 10 series and so on. Buyer would rather a newer card at 20-30% less performance while also paying more just because of the name alone. I've been having a tough time flipping PCs with 9 series cards but a breeze with 10.
@@mikies2808 nvidia is better for flipping cause mind share unfortunately. a 1050 ti PC will outsell a rx 570 PC every day despite rx 570 being like 25 percent faster and cheaper. its insane. look at sold listing on ebay most of them use nvidia. best bet is putting a 1650 super in the PC they sell so fast with that card. just get a old leveno prebuilt cause then you can upgrade the case to like a meshify focus g with extra fans. PC like that will sell for 700 all day long make a nice 200 dollar profit. if you need help let me know bro.
@@mikies2808 yeah i know, but in a buyer eyes. The logic is, if it's new, then it must be better. But then again, the 1050ti is more efficient at 50w, compared to the 970 at 150w tdp.
The curious thing about Willingness to Pay is how the psychology of a buyer can play out when there are perceived or genuine time restrictions. This is most clearly visible on ebay where those who place bids long before an auction ends are more likely to place further bids well above their original bids as the auction draws to a close. Such people are succumbing to the psych effect many of us have where we don't want to feel like we're missing out on something, ie. winning the auction feels like some kind of personal victory, even if that means spending more than originally intended. For some reason, many people act like they think bidding early will secure the item for them in the minds of rival bidders, as if somehow this will make future rival bids less likely; in reality there is no such connection. Thus, for example, days before an auction ends, someone might think ok I'll bid up to $100 for that, but early on they place a bid for $50 max and with no other bids yet the listing sits at 0.99 or $5 or whatever the start amount is. With hours to go their initial max is exceeded, say it's now $52, so they put in a new max of $75 (and say the current bid then moves up to $72 so they're in the lead once more). The more this back and forth process occurs (which is proportional to the no. of bidders), the more someone will feel like it's a personal battle which they quickly don't like the idea of losing. Thus, in the final minutes or seconds, even if the bidding amount has gone over their original intented max, they will very likely in a panic submit a much higher max (say $150) just to win the auction; losing the auction is more emotionally annoying than winning it for more than they had originally thought was worthwhile. Other times though, especially if the winning bid is submitted in the closing seconds, they don't have time to respond and they lose anyway. The real irony is that, whether they submit a much higher panic bid and still lose, or get caught out by a closing seconds bid and the listing ends for a low amount, they can never know by what margin they lost; in other words, they will feel like fate has cheated them, but in reality for all they know the winning bidder may have submitted a waaaay higher max and thus they never stood a chance anyway. Losing auctions can play tricks on the mind. :D For a seller, this means popular items can often go for quite a bit more than really seems logical. One frequently sees a final winning amount that is higher than the listing's original BIN option. :D For more obscure items though, or something less popular just in general, this can be to a smart buyer's advantage. The key is to exploit the above psych effect, decide on what is genuinely the max one is willing to pay, add on a small amount to exploit the fact that people tend to bid in rounded off amounts (eg. 76.50 is better than 75) and submit that bid in the closing seconds (I usually aim for 4s remaining). I know some people use auto bidding snipers but I don't. Anyway, this means a 99p listing might sit at some low amount for the entire time of the listing with just 1 or 2 bids so far, then in the closing seconds I might submit a max of $76.50 but win the item for only $5.50 because the early bidder (who might actually have been willing to pay as much as 100) believed they wouldn't have to bid that high due to the obscure nature of the item and thus submitted an initial max of only $5, an opinion reinforced by the lack of other bids while the listing was live. As Goodkind put it, they chose to believe a lie because they wanted it to be true. I cannot tell you how many times I've won auctions for crazy low amounts because of this effect, yet I am certain that most of the time if the early bidder had used their genuine idea of how much they would have been willing to pay (which might be $75 or even $100 for all I know) they would have won the item for $55 or whatever and still surely been content since the end amount was below their genuine max. Thus, for effective bidding on ebay, one must divorce oneself from the emotional psych self deception. Decide on a genuine max, but exploit the fact that other people usually don't do this and so submit one's max bid in the closing seconds. And if one should lose? Well who cares, by definition it went above the amount one was genuinely willing to pay, so just be patient and wait for a future listing, another will come along. There are numerous other effects like this, eg. if a seller lists a bunch of identical iems with end times very close together (annoying, but sellers do this a lot), say 30 seconds apart, then don't try too hard to go for the first few listings as they will be over subscribed. Aim for roughly about the middle listing. Most will focus on the earlier listings anyway, while those who lose out will panic and bid over the odds for the last one or two listings (they won't have time to try for the middling items). The best example of this is the seller lifestoshortletsshop who lists a lot of IB CPUs (i5 3570 and 3570K), check their past listings and you'll see what I mean. In Apr/2019 they listed about two dozen 3570Ks all ending only some 10 or 15s apart. Most of the listings went for around 35 to 50 UKP, the final few listings on the higher side. I won one of the CPUs - a middle listing - for just 11.50, the lowest winning amount of any of the CPUs listed and lower than any 3570K which can be currently viewed in their completed items list. The final ebay effect isn't so much psych as practical. There are generally more bidders during the evening, at weekends and during lunch break on weekays, because people have the time to look at ebay. There will be fewer bidders during peak rush hour times, or mid morning and mid afternoon, ie. when most people are at work or busy with travel (the latter less true for those using public transport, but definitely true for anyone driving). This isn't universal of course and international listings will have time zone variations, but it's an effect I've seen many times. Thus, for a buyer, look for listings that end mid morning or mid afternoon, while for a seller it's obviously best to list items so they end after work hours, or at worst during lunch hour; better still, end an item at the weekend but not during lunch or dinner time, and obviously ending an item at 4am is just daft. Also, any kind of special event can mean many bidders may be absent, such as popular sporting events like the World Cup, special times of year like Christmas, etc. And then there's just sheer luck, sometimes the right buyer who might be willing to bid really high simply isn't around for some reason or never sees the listing because they were on holiday. What all the above shows is that ebay is not a real auction site, not in the classic sense, because without a fixed time limit, if it were possible for a listing to continue, in many cases the bidding would carry on even higher. Hence why in a real auction the auctioneer decides when s/he believes no further bids appear to be forthcoming, though it's worth noting that even real life auctions involve psych tricks, eg. one article stated the following on the question of why an auctioneer talks so fast: "They talk like that to hypnotize the bidders. Auctioneers don't just talk fast - they chant in a rhythmic monotone so as to lull onlookers into a conditioned pattern of call and response, as if they were playing a game of 'Simon says.' The speed is also intended to give the buyers a sense of urgency: Bid now or lose out." Note the auction site eBid does actually have what they call an auto-extend option (or they used to, not checked recently), ie. the seller can choose this option so that if a bid occurs in the closing seconds then the listing will automatically extend for some extra time (a minute or whatever), and I think the extension can happen more than once. I wonder how different using ebay would be if ebay offered such an option; curious that they don't since it favours sellers rather than buyers. I could mention other psych aspects of using ebay as a buyer, but the above covers the main points. I can't comment quite so much on selling on ebay since (despite a 100% feedback rating of more than 1800) I've still never used ebay to sell anything. :D Though that may change shortly since I do have some X79 items I'll probably list in late Feb. Ebay is a strange place. It can take the notion of an item only ever being worth what someone is willing to pay and kick it up the arse, in either direction. A recent example which amused me was an obscure item listed for a start price of 200 with Make Offer. I submitted an offer of 250 but it was declined. I then won it for 200 because nobody else bid. :D A bit hard to guage how all of this might apply to the general PC buy & sell hustle. Ebay is somewhat unique in how it works.
@@techyescity :D Oh my, I've done much worse in the past, my largest ever I had to split into five separate comments, hehe (YT's size limit is stupid, and it breaks if a reply is too large). I do though try very hard to avoid typos. Umm, I type fast, it's a curse. :}
@@SISSYPUSS Ironically I doubt I'd have the time. :D I have however added such long winded pieces to my own site in the past, eg.: www.sgidepot.co.uk/postingadvice.html (though that one does need an update) Also not keen on Blogger's connection to Google... :} One of these days I want to redo my own main site, at which time I intend adding perhaps several hundred larger items I've written. Maybe next year, too tied up with family stuff this year. I should add, I keep local copies of every significant YT post I make, just in case (the above long post was file no. 444). Btw, including URLs here significantly downgrades the thread's visibility because YT treats posted links as spam.
The first and most easy profits you can make is by buying used parts and making good deals for it. Stick to a set price you are willing to pay for a part and dont go higher.
Good talk. Felt like a legit academic approach to flipping. For my 2¢ I'd say that translating specs to realistic gaming performance will really help lower-end sell. A lot of people don't understand that older systems still offer really good gaming performance.
last year i tried to sell a pc with 4670k, gtx 1060, 120gb ssd 1tb hdd, 3rd party cooler, perfectly overclockable, in a nice tempered glass case for 300EUR in Austria, i couldnt sell it in a month, then i took it apart and voila, everything sold in like a week. smh ...
I feel ya; had a Ryzen 1300X +GTX 960, then a GTX 1050ti, then RX570, then a RX580-8GB. People kept asking for the GPU, so I went through 3 GPU upgrades and made a profit each time, like $30-60 every time, but could not sell the PC for a year when it was $600 USD, or $700 USD, but sold it for $750 with an RX580
This was an excellent lecture on economics Bryan! So many people needed this. People on your server and others are always asking advice on buying and selling.
sold my Strix 2080ti a week ago after considering it for quite a while. but seeing that there isn't any must-play game up until march/april and new gen gpu's will probably be revealed in this period as well, I took the chance and sold it for 1K. don't think I would even get 800 once new gen gpu's are up for preorder. now living the life of a true peasant. on-board gpu lol.
I've been getting Dell Optiplex 790s with 1tb hd, i5 2500, and 8gb of ram for $50 a machine. I throw a 120gb SSD, a new power supply, and a RX 480 to sell for $350. I feel like I'm selling for way too cheap, buuut I am getting my friends into PC gaming for a pretty fair price. Is that a good enough reason to buy and flip PCs?
Depends on how much money you want to make. I build my PCs' to sell. My cost is $330 USD and I sell them upwards of $600 USD. I got new parts and I am going to test out the waters in the $700 range.
i did NOT expect my comment to be up there, i thought it was the end of the video n i was about to click off n i hear “zupahsweg” HAHAHAHA scared tf outta me. but aye, thanks man i appreciate it heaps!! i always use to look at these OEM’s as garbage but you’ve really opened my eyes! thanks!
Just a tip, if you ever want a cheap workstation check out the z600 and z800 setups. I got a cheap one with dual x5650s, 48gb ram, 2tb hdd and a cheap quadro for like $250 or something in 2016 lol. I think the prices on them have stayed the same really, if you can get one with quad cores and no ram for under $100 it might be worth upgrading yourself. I would just be careful on memory compatibility
$300 AUD for a used 1060 3GB!? What is PCMR smoking? I'll never understand the used market, unless you're buying/selling on bulk, like you do, you might as well be getting GPUs and Intel CPUs for MSRP
used nvidia cards are way over priced. you can get a r9 fury on ebay for 100 bucks but a 1050 ti cost 120 LOL. ppl are dumb asses and buy nvidia cause they have low IQ.
@@Joker-no1fz Im guilty of have Nvidia in my pc but I got my 1060 for a steal. The whole system was 300 dollars with cpu GPU ram and power supply during peak mining. But Idk at msrp amd and Nvidia both are over priced, it's just Nvidia holds value for longer for some reason even though amd cards are way better for longevity compared to their gtx/rtx counterparts
@@GatorTomboy yeah right now Dec 2019- Jan 2020 an RX580-8GB and GTX1060-6GB and at $130-$150 is a fair price for used GPUs in the Midwest US because GTX 1660-6GB exists at $199-$239 retail price. (And now 5600XT at $280-$299, it really should be $250 at best)
I just bought a gtx 1050ti cerebus, ryzen 2200g, corsair 550w psu, 8gb lpx ram for £220 (for the daughter). Thats a crazy deal. The website i bought it off was free to sell local site, so no costs for the guy and also everyone on it is broke as shit so stuff just doesnt sell. Some other bargains ive had over the years off the same site.... Gtx 1060 6gb zotac £75 Gtx 1070 founders msi £145 Gtx 1080 founders msi £250 Rx 570 8gb sapphire nitro £85 Rx 480 strix £112 Gtx 1050ti low profile msi £85 If you clean them up and relist them on ebay with £1 seller days with good pictures and benchmark figures etc you can flip them easy for +50/60% all day. Theres always a risk that youre buying busted kit however not many people tend to do that as youre going round to their house and they dont want the aggro of someone banging on their door 2 days later with a knackered part theyve sold.
Brian, this is an amazing video brother. I love the fact that you give so much value on your videos. When are you creating your own ISP ? LOL. Great theory explanation, format flow and just great content; thanks for what you do. God bless. Hows the impact in your area for the recent disasters going on ? Hope your family is well. When we gonna see pops again, on a building project ? I think that's enough selfishness. Have a good day.
Question how much should you charge for building a pc for someone when you guided them in picking the parts and they buy them and I build it for them ?
Fantastic video Brian. I love your knowledge & enthusiasm about what you clearly love to do. Do you find you have become more well known via You Tube, that people are less willing to offer you a good deal once they know who you are?
1 steam account 2 computers logged on steam Buying 2 different games Each game under the steam wallet $ amount And/or both games price is over steam wallet price. But you have not bought the first game then so steam thinks you have the money for both games. Simultaneously clicking buy now. What happens?
the world unravels around you slowly as to not drive you insane and you are back in high school on a date with your first girlfriend the one that went nuts and you fix her life this time have a family and get rich.
My math for what price I charge is pretty simple: I only take really good deals, add up what I paid in total, add a mark up that's in line with how strong the PC is. I find that pricing something at for example 220, 230 and 280, 290 works a lot better than straight numbers like 250 and 300, never doing that .99 thing though, that's such clownery when I see people do that haha Example: I have a PC right now, HP prebuilt, i5 2400, GTX 960 2GB, 240GB SSD, I've spent 120€ in total and will put it up for 180€. If it doesn't sell for more than 10 days I lower the price by 10€, also gives room to get haggled down to 160 and still have decent profit on an easy build. On higher end machines I occasionally make up to 100€ profit, but those take a while to sell and the more something costs the pickier the people get, which is why I'll never get into high end PC flipping.
Once again excellent video! I have been doing PC flipping for the last several years and couple of things that have helped me move PC's fast have been demos and bundles. Earlier on I would have my facebook marketplace post start with video first of the machine running and showing me playing a popular PC title in action (though not sure Facebook allows videos for items you sell anymore :(. ) ,and then have more detailed pictures of the build. Also, when I can get a great deal with monitors either free from recycles or $10-$20 I would bundle that and keyboard and mouse with a headset (Now find bundles on Amazon for those for $30+ dollars with led lights in them) and sell it as a complete 1080p gaming PC for 60 fps as the monitors were 60hz. I also suggest to network with other sellers and buyers on facebook marketplace/craigslist etc. I have found people that are now go to people for regular supply of parts like motherboard, cpu and ram combos, psu's etc. When you build those relationships can look at getting parts at great deals which can add more to your profit margin.
Say you have a 2080ti or 2080...should you sell it now before the 3080 comes out ? The logic being if you wait closer to 3080 release time the second hand market price will drop. ?
you should sell the day they announce new ones if you are upgrading. you wont lose much money. just price it slightly lower than average for your model and it will sell.
Got a club3d r9 280, it has a weird coil whine only when it's under load (heaven and games) any fixes? Tried cleaning it and changing the thermal paste :/ Would someone buy it in the used marketplace?
Honestly why do I bother building a gaming pc because I live in Canada and everything is more expensive. The cheapest rx 570 4gb I could find in the last month was 153$ CAD and it was used
I've been watching your videos for a while now and it gives me new ideas in my own pc builds. I've been making pc builds in south Australia for years now and quite a few gaming PC's too. Recently sold 2 gaming PC's for about $300 with a i5 4460/i5 3570, 16gb ram and a rx 570 in both. Anyway keep up the good work and keep making videos man.
so would you advise me going for individual parts instead of full built pc's? cause i'm still learning everything about computers and i do have a good amount of knowledge thus far but would like advice cause i want to start this as my hobby and side hustle and if i can do so i would greatly appreciate it cause my mind is saying buy full used pc's refurbish some parts and or replace them and then resell with a markup.
check my video bro my 555 dollar PC. thats what you want to do. just sell used ugly ass optiplex PC to start. but if you are in a rural area it might be hard if its to rural. sorry bryan not trying to advertise my channel just trying to help this bro and i have a video on it.
Yeh,Old TH-cam.sell s/hand PC systems.What about the OS Win 10.cant run without! with a new os retail up to A$200? How do you pass this one to a Buyer of your Flip System?
Dropping the YES knowledge bomb on us! I honestly wish you the best on your hustling ventures, your work ethic and mindset should get you far some day.
Your advert is very important to selling a gaming PC, too. In fact, it's probably the most important part. I sell them pretty quickly no matter what price range I post them in, because I don't say silly shit in my advert. Don't just say "it plays every game I throw at it on Ultra settings". Clear pictures and real information that they can look up and find when they do their research. But don't get mired in the details; they want to know CPU speed and how much ram, but not how many IOPS the SSD is capable of. Pick a variety of easy to run, popular games that don't take a long time to download and benchmark them. If they can see you aren't bullshitting, they will buy your PC. If it plays PUBG at 60fps avg @ 1080p medium settings, say so; that will sell your computer. They will have a friend who can smell your bullshit, and can direct them on how well it will play other games based on what you are advertising.
@@Joker-no1fz Yeah, you always want to have a bit of extra padding to get to the price you really want to get. But before you list it, you should always know for sure what your absolute bottom line is, and don't take less than that. You'll know if you are asking too much by how much interest is generated. But sometimes, it just takes a minute to find the right buyer.
@@Joker-no1fz I actually thought about doing this, but it's too time intensive at that point. Yeah, you have to play the games, but making and posting a video, for me at least, was just going too far. Also, they will look up videos for themselves to decide if it's the performance they are looking for.
You're making some great margins! I build a little on the side just for fun and learning, and I do make profit on each build, but pretty minimal. I would be better off buying and selling just the parts because I get some GREAT deals, but where's the fun in that? I enjoy building PC's. Perhaps I am building the wrong tier of PC.
I really HATE those stupid tech-fetish channels parading & gloating about tech that most can't afford . And yes , comedy sure is the reference here :))
@@abhroy Yep most tech channels really love their pricey tech hehe. I mean most people can just afford to watch YT videos rather than the topics of the videos themselves but hey at least there's an option :)
Can anyone explain how identifying a coming trend like a fall in GPU prices due to a mining bust delivers profit to current trades? You would surely need a stockpile of GPU to sell into the market, that you buy back cheaper AND can resell. In general, we expect defationary pressure as new products are released and marketed. Few enjoy antique PCs!
what's a good price for this setup? 2600k asus p8z77-vpro Diamond Multimedia 7970 corsair h80iv2 AIO 4x4GB corsair 2133 rated ram cooler master 800W gold rated PSU seagate 750GB hybrid drive samsung 840(non-pro) 250GB ssd DIY case - it has tempered glass side panel(cost about $40 on newegg) *note, i've had the cpu easily OC to 4.6, but the cooler would need to be swapped out for a 240 rad AIO to go any higher on the OC My wife has been pushing me to sell it since I don't use it becuase I do all my gaming on my main pc
Hi, how much should I sell my old system it is Intell Xeon Processor E3 -1220V3 3.1GHZ 8MB CACHE LGA1150 Motherboard (still to buy one) 16gb ddr3 HyperX Fury black series 1866mhz(2*8) RADEON R9 280X GAMING 3G HyperX 240gb SSD os 1tb hard drive x2 Bluetooth 5 and wifi 6 pic card Cooler Master Stryker SE Computer Case with all accessories and screws and fans ULTRA X3 1000 power supply ????????????????????????????? Would £200 ponds be too high? Need your advice Tech YES City.
needs a better graphics card. get a used nvidia card imo. nvidia sells better. or a rx 570. that video card u have in it is to weak to play most games.
When I was in the PC trade I had a common rule: 20% devalue on day One. As soon as you leave the store, it becomes a second hand PC. So, a 1,000 euro PC is worth 800. After a year, when the standard warranty runs out, its devalued 40% of newprice, so a 1,000 euro PC is worth 600. After 3 years its devalued 60%. Its economically end of life... Then it devalues another 10% a year, so 70% after 4 years, 80% after 5, 90% after 6. Then it becomes whatever someone would still like to pay for it, or the tip.
I am planing on building some computers and selling them specifically for Fortnite. What is considered a Fortnite capable PC? When building one should I aim for a specific framerate on a certain game preset?
what's with the horribile black and white video with the interference all over it at the start, is that meant to be an effect and be there or is it an error?
Good day to you Bryan, should I put the cost of fuel, electricity, house rent, and other costs into the computers that I build that I do for future customers?
What’s up man. You doing alright down under with all that’s going on down there? Love the videos and being one who sells computers can definitely relate to this.
Ron Jeremy Im mean like I have big problem with people wanting ridiculous prices for old hardware. Imagine R9 Fury 4GB for 135Bucks but you can have RX 580 8Gb for same price. 580 is much less power hungry and 18% higher performence and sometimes it comes with warranty.
Ron Jeremy Or lot of people here want ridiculous prices for intel old cpus sometimes It comes even close to their own msrp. 7700k is selling on secondhand for 277bucks.
The best deal? I sold a build with a FX 8350, Asus ROG V Formula - Z, 16gbs of ram, 120gb sdd, 1tb hdd, MSI GTX 1060, all for $700 in NYC... let us sink that in for a moment...
i think currently there is a lack of knowledge of the second hand cpu market and where the new cpu market currently is to where it is quite easy to exploit people and sell them trash the ryzen 1600 AF for 85 usd new or the 2700x for 115-120 usd to the 3500x for the same money are all new deals that offer price to performance and long term viability that buying anything used that isn't 8th gen or newer on intel seems like a waste to me. once this becomes better and better understood (and when more must play games require that 6-8 core with SMT/hyperthreading comes out in 2-3 months) the market will tank so if you are doing used PC builds keep cpu stock low as not to get burned on this fact. meanwhile the second hand GPU market is super strong right now and more and more people are in it looking for deals themselves. this is mostly due to the quite frankly 3 year standstill on gpu pricing to performance.
Hope I’ve got your attention for a video idea. Hey hey Brian, happy new year! Long time viewer and love the yes tech channel. I got a suggestion for a video. Ryzen 3000G vs an older CPU in a similar spec’ed system. Just to see if it’s worth while getting an upgrade to it or stick with a price/perf PC?
I've never known what to charge for a pc I have always just sold for $20 over what it cost me to build it just for my time basically because it's fun but I build usually off of last Gen parts to keep them cheap but the performance still exists to enjoy for what they need it for.
If i want to sell my current rig but want to keep my files and games so i dont have to re install , can i just remove that drive and put a new drive into that system install windows then done. And as for my new rig, could i just plug in my drive and it should work .? If not what do i do ?
In South africa we have a website called birorbuy.There was 2 listings for a gtx 1070 ti.One was R3899 and the other one was bid.So we played tug of war with a nother guy.We eventually got it for R3650.Now people say ye but it's only 200 rand blablabla.It's 200 rand saved non the less and it was a great buy for my system.My friend actually got a rx 580 8gb model for 138 usd if i convert currency which are also a great buy.
In the discord, everybody has been telling me i have been crushing it. making great profit off these pcs... Hope to catch up with you one day bro, cheers.
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1:43 I know I have an economics degree, but Tech YES Economics is now my new favourite class.
@tsm_ Meth I did a BA in Economics.
yo marco i need a gpu
Supply and Demand economics, great class Diminishing returns, Willingness to pay you got it spot on
@What You may have a point, but I bet you've never lived in a communist country. Where you may have savings and cash, but are unable to spend it due to a perpetual deficit of the goods you'd want (i guess vinegar was always abundant).
Besides, lecturers at economics classes always try to stress the "equilibrium price" where supply and demand curves meet. No one denies that price of the good/service is one the main determinants of demand (as well as income level, tastes....).
As a guy who has studied investing and loves PC part deals, this vid is an instant favorite.
One aspect that’s key is what Bryan mentioned, objectivity. If you allow yourself to get emotional, you can pay too much or sell for too low.
really like the part about market theory. i've been building and selling as a side hustle for close to 9 years now. i think one component of how much to price it at is flawed and very few understand why they charge so and so. One cannot just say I'm happy with making oh - $100 on a sale and gosh that's a lot of money. it's not about that, it's about your time and risk. We can all see that making $100 on a $300 PC is different than $100 on a $1000 PC. I've invested $900 on my own money and we know that more expensive items take longer to sell and sit on the market longer. I'd much rather make the $100 on the $300 every time. This is basically called a profit margin percentage. Making a 9% margin is highly risky vs making a 30% margin. I also sell online exclusively and there are costs to sell, fees, cc processing fees, cost to ship online, boxes, bubble wrap, hiring help, taking the box in, deal with risk of returns, theft, damage, lost items, risk of return due to stupidity, people low balling/making offers etc etc. (your variables will differ if you sell locally and have to drive around and so forth - driving time is NOT free and must be factored in. By making a larger margin, I can absorb some potentially losses that happen in business. And second, I don't have as much of my own money tied up in costs/parts so I can make a 2nd/3rd PC that's also out there potentially making money. Second, my time is finite and is therefore worth money as well. So, when you determine "how much are you going to charge", it has to be based on how much time involved there is and what hourly rate your time is worth. I don't mean like you charge 8 hrs because you ran a benchmark overnight or Windows for 2 hrs doing updates. That's passive work, while you can go build the next unit. You'll have a lot of overlap when doing multiple units, getting updates or doing stress tests simultaneously and therefore how much time you spend on a unit starts to get fuzzy. You'll need to figure out what a fair amount of actual time is that you are doing real work. Let's say, I get a PC and the guy already loaded a fresh Win 10 OS with all updates. I just need to add a GPU and get the driver and it's basically done. That saved time makes me more willing to pay extra for my hourly rate that I would have otherwise had to charge. Or it also keeps you out of trap situations like fixing up a really old Core 2 Quad or Duo unit. Yes, I can theoretically fix it and sell it for $75, but if that takes me 3 hours and I have to pay for any sort of parts or upgrades, my hour rate really dwindles to where even if I got this for free, it's still a marginal decision to work on it. I'm not likely going to work on this old ass PC for $10/hr and deal with customers and questions if I can spend my time working on a unit that'll make me say $30/hr. Yes, there's that balance where you cannot possibly declare yourself worth $100/hr and then be competitive. You'll either have to price well above your competitors or you'd have get good PC parts for close to free. Good luck with that. Obviously, there's a balance there and you will need to figure that out from experience. What specs, brands, the "look" sell quickly and which ones don't. What brands might have qwirky bugs that lead to a return down the road. Oh and as an aside and a 3rd tip - once I"m done building and now am in selling mode, then my focus for that unit becomes completely based on making the sale. I am no longer dwelling on how much I paid or trying to break even. There are times I'm going to believe i can sell a PC at a certain price point and the market will prove me wrong. This is not the time to try to be stubborn and keep your price at your breakeven point on your costs. The market has no idea what you paid, nor does it care. If you went and paid full retail in a retail store and added it all together and then added your profit charge, then don't be surprised if your listing gets passed over for a month or two. Brian is right on with the making the money from the buying end. If a CPU typically goes for $50 and you paid $30, then the market still values that CPU at $50. So, you can charge "normal" price for the desktop. What I mean is if you added up all the prices for the parts at its current used going rate and sold the PC at that price, it will move pretty well for "cost". However, to you - since you paid below market on parts or waited for deals below market price, then you're keeping all that as profit while also having a huge competitive advantage of selling the PC for basically the cost of parts and no labor. You are not a builder or a tech at this point, you're a hustling business person getting value and deals and free trade-ins. This is how you crush the market. I'd love to hear other points of views or talk shop.
This wall of text provides a lot of info than I expected. I honestly never thought about calcylating my time/money, I just go ahead find parts build one and let it sit on the shop (online exclusively), while shooing away lowballers. This business is more complicated than I thought..
market pricing value part, so valuable. My father made me tey and get new parts for my build, yet people do noy value having all new vs just used parts. Im in canada, so prices are on CAD. I can either get an rx570 8gb for $260 brand new, or i can spend that money to buy a gtx 1070 for about $250 negotiated, rven less sometimes. People are gonna value that 1070 20x more than the rx570, despite the condition of new, vs used. I found two great deals on new items for cheap. got the rx570 8gb SEALED for $190 CAD with a gtx 960 2gb on the side as well. Still cheaper than retail. Adding that to a build would not add value, if anything, someone else is getting thr benefit of this new card, for my loss. Same thing for ram, got ddr3 brand new for $60, retails $120, but because ddr3 is old, people still value it at $60 for 16gb. You can not change the market, at all. As of this stage, I believe i am in the break even point. Switched out the rx570 and put in a 960, and i plan on buying used ram so at least having that new ram os worth it on my end. These tips you provided are amazing, and these are things i would of loved to know before building this first pc. JEY POINT: VALUE OVER CONDITION, unless it isnt working. Used for the most part is more reliable in getting better margins, but sometimes things like rgb and cases might not have a point for going used, even ssd’s.
I live in Perth and had some guy willing to drive 5 hours here and back to pick-up a $400 PC...
That's some dedication
well in all fairness EVERYTHING is at least 5 hrs away from Perth.
@@evanjohnson1299 that is very true
3am in the US
Ah, time for bed
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Ah, time to be a tech yes citizen.
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@@zokhrozzWoomzy yes
You know the video will still be on TH-cam when you wake up.
Ive found bundling in a cheap 24" monitor and keyboard and mouse combo will generate more profits. A $300 built pc bundled in ive been selling for over $600. Good flip 😎👌
Been doing the same. Been trying to buy monitors in bundels too
Yes I like to bundle in low cost rgb gaming keyboard and mouse. I spend around $25 to get $50 in value on that. But usually only in builds I sell for more than $400
hmm so you find a supplier or just buy used cause i know many times on our markets people sell monitors and or old OEMs in bulk and yeah if they all work then why not aswell as buying a bit cheaper and selling a bit higher.
Yeah just local market.
stop doing this to unknowing people, who don't know that they are getting shitty stuff.
I've heard it said people make the profit when BUYING parts! The principle being that if someone knows the market price point, it's important to be disciplined and stick to a planned budget. If someone gets carried away with buying parts and over pays, they'll struggle to make anything, or worse still, take a loss overall. As you mentioned, if the selling price is $/£400 then set a limit on parts spending of $/£300 maximum. If a sellers build cost is on target, they can offer a good deal that will stand out in the used market to a buyer. It is important to keep up with the current new/used market for constant changes in parts/prices. It is quite a diverse market though because of all the different needs/wants.
bryan do you sell proprietary mother board builds a lot. the ones that are a pain in the ass to switch PC cases. a guide on how to avoid those motherboards on eBay would be useful.
Yes, some office systems can offer decent value, considering cases, motherboards, processors, ram, hard drives and even power supplies are salvageable. The proprietary motherboards are not always worth the trouble to swap out. The power supply's will also often be low wattage but should still handle an 1050Ti or RX560 (both powered from the motherboard), yet can still offer some 1080p gaming.
Look the motherboard up on the manufacture’s website and on Amazon, Newegg, or whatever is your local online computer part retailer. Most proprietary motherboards are not for sale to the public. So if you find a motherboard for sale on an online parts retailer it’s probably not proprietary.
Optiplexes have proprietary power buttons but you can pull off the black plastic housing from the motherboard, slap in the case power button, short the two pins next to it with a jumper/wire and it will work fine. You should be able to use a pci expansion to get front connections working. Dell boards throw errors for the heat sensor, front panel connections, system fan, and cpu fan. Some of them you can finesse, some of them you need oem parts, but everything but the power button and the front panel connection isn’t difficult to transfer into a new case.
@@majicgordon do optiplex mobo have case fan headers? for extra case fans.
I've worked and sold an Optiplex 5/10 would do again.
It's a really tough question to answer with a specific number. Especially in the states. As someone that's done this in New York, Chicago and Minneapolis I've found that each city is it's own world. In New York it was great cuz there was so many used parts that the buyers market for parts was amazing and people didn't mind spending a little more for complete builds. While in Minneapolis the parts on the used market would get snapped up immediately and good deals were much harder to find. In Chicago the used parts were great but selling them in a complete build for a decent profit wasn't as easy as the other two cities. It just takes time and effort to figure out the lay of the land. Honestly i suggest talking to people in your city if you aren't familiar with it. I've found most pc enthusiasts are more than willing to talk shop with someone like minded.
If you have resources and effort, best you can do is get those parts from New York, build a rig and sell it on areas with scarce supply like Minny. I'm doing the same in my country where I can flip the PC for 70 percent or more profit
100% of Tech YES Citizens are willing to pay up to 12% left with SCDKeys
0% of Tech YES Citizens are willing to pay full price for an OEM copy of Windows.
and thats a fact
how many times did you comment on this video holy moly
99.9%* you forget about gnu/linux users
@@maksimp.1960 Three. Gotta help the algorithm. May Tech YES City receive Tech YES Views!
@@MarcoGPUtuber apparently if you comment in relation to the video title it does help search, though I haven't really tested that, perhaps on my upcoming new product reviews just go crazy with some comment about the title of the video lol.
Loved this one. Flipping has been tough lately where I live. Not much on the used market and not many people buying PCs in general right now. Have been resorting to Ebay to bring price to performance to my area.
Another thing I've noticed is that buyers sometimes think graphics cards are better just because of the higher number. Had a buyer want a swap from a GTX 970 to a 1050Ti while also paying an additional $50.
he would be right, if you were selling a 1080
@@jeneralgod Yeah true. I was more of saying I guess, a lot of misconceptions about 9 series vs 10 series and so on. Buyer would rather a newer card at 20-30% less performance while also paying more just because of the name alone. I've been having a tough time flipping PCs with 9 series cards but a breeze with 10.
@@mikies2808 nvidia is better for flipping cause mind share unfortunately. a 1050 ti PC will outsell a rx 570 PC every day despite rx 570 being like 25 percent faster and cheaper. its insane. look at sold listing on ebay most of them use nvidia. best bet is putting a 1650 super in the PC they sell so fast with that card. just get a old leveno prebuilt cause then you can upgrade the case to like a meshify focus g with extra fans. PC like that will sell for 700 all day long make a nice 200 dollar profit. if you need help let me know bro.
@@mikies2808 yeah i know, but in a buyer eyes. The logic is, if it's new, then it must be better. But then again, the 1050ti is more efficient at 50w, compared to the 970 at 150w tdp.
@@mikies2808 i know the 970 can top a lot of games at 1080p. If it helps, shows some benchmark comparisons when selling the 9 series
The curious thing about Willingness to Pay is how the psychology of a buyer can play out when there are perceived or genuine time restrictions. This is most clearly visible on ebay where those who place bids long before an auction ends are more likely to place further bids well above their original bids as the auction draws to a close. Such people are succumbing to the psych effect many of us have where we don't want to feel like we're missing out on something, ie. winning the auction feels like some kind of personal victory, even if that means spending more than originally intended. For some reason, many people act like they think bidding early will secure the item for them in the minds of rival bidders, as if somehow this will make future rival bids less likely; in reality there is no such connection.
Thus, for example, days before an auction ends, someone might think ok I'll bid up to $100 for that, but early on they place a bid for $50 max and with no other bids yet the listing sits at 0.99 or $5 or whatever the start amount is. With hours to go their initial max is exceeded, say it's now $52, so they put in a new max of $75 (and say the current bid then moves up to $72 so they're in the lead once more). The more this back and forth process occurs (which is proportional to the no. of bidders), the more someone will feel like it's a personal battle which they quickly don't like the idea of losing. Thus, in the final minutes or seconds, even if the bidding amount has gone over their original intented max, they will very likely in a panic submit a much higher max (say $150) just to win the auction; losing the auction is more emotionally annoying than winning it for more than they had originally thought was worthwhile. Other times though, especially if the winning bid is submitted in the closing seconds, they don't have time to respond and they lose anyway. The real irony is that, whether they submit a much higher panic bid and still lose, or get caught out by a closing seconds bid and the listing ends for a low amount, they can never know by what margin they lost; in other words, they will feel like fate has cheated them, but in reality for all they know the winning bidder may have submitted a waaaay higher max and thus they never stood a chance anyway. Losing auctions can play tricks on the mind. :D
For a seller, this means popular items can often go for quite a bit more than really seems logical. One frequently sees a final winning amount that is higher than the listing's original BIN option. :D
For more obscure items though, or something less popular just in general, this can be to a smart buyer's advantage. The key is to exploit the above psych effect, decide on what is genuinely the max one is willing to pay, add on a small amount to exploit the fact that people tend to bid in rounded off amounts (eg. 76.50 is better than 75) and submit that bid in the closing seconds (I usually aim for 4s remaining). I know some people use auto bidding snipers but I don't. Anyway, this means a 99p listing might sit at some low amount for the entire time of the listing with just 1 or 2 bids so far, then in the closing seconds I might submit a max of $76.50 but win the item for only $5.50 because the early bidder (who might actually have been willing to pay as much as 100) believed they wouldn't have to bid that high due to the obscure nature of the item and thus submitted an initial max of only $5, an opinion reinforced by the lack of other bids while the listing was live. As Goodkind put it, they chose to believe a lie because they wanted it to be true. I cannot tell you how many times I've won auctions for crazy low amounts because of this effect, yet I am certain that most of the time if the early bidder had used their genuine idea of how much they would have been willing to pay (which might be $75 or even $100 for all I know) they would have won the item for $55 or whatever and still surely been content since the end amount was below their genuine max.
Thus, for effective bidding on ebay, one must divorce oneself from the emotional psych self deception. Decide on a genuine max, but exploit the fact that other people usually don't do this and so submit one's max bid in the closing seconds. And if one should lose? Well who cares, by definition it went above the amount one was genuinely willing to pay, so just be patient and wait for a future listing, another will come along.
There are numerous other effects like this, eg. if a seller lists a bunch of identical iems with end times very close together (annoying, but sellers do this a lot), say 30 seconds apart, then don't try too hard to go for the first few listings as they will be over subscribed. Aim for roughly about the middle listing. Most will focus on the earlier listings anyway, while those who lose out will panic and bid over the odds for the last one or two listings (they won't have time to try for the middling items). The best example of this is the seller lifestoshortletsshop who lists a lot of IB CPUs (i5 3570 and 3570K), check their past listings and you'll see what I mean. In Apr/2019 they listed about two dozen 3570Ks all ending only some 10 or 15s apart. Most of the listings went for around 35 to 50 UKP, the final few listings on the higher side. I won one of the CPUs - a middle listing - for just 11.50, the lowest winning amount of any of the CPUs listed and lower than any 3570K which can be currently viewed in their completed items list.
The final ebay effect isn't so much psych as practical. There are generally more bidders during the evening, at weekends and during lunch break on weekays, because people have the time to look at ebay. There will be fewer bidders during peak rush hour times, or mid morning and mid afternoon, ie. when most people are at work or busy with travel (the latter less true for those using public transport, but definitely true for anyone driving). This isn't universal of course and international listings will have time zone variations, but it's an effect I've seen many times. Thus, for a buyer, look for listings that end mid morning or mid afternoon, while for a seller it's obviously best to list items so they end after work hours, or at worst during lunch hour; better still, end an item at the weekend but not during lunch or dinner time, and obviously ending an item at 4am is just daft. Also, any kind of special event can mean many bidders may be absent, such as popular sporting events like the World Cup, special times of year like Christmas, etc.
And then there's just sheer luck, sometimes the right buyer who might be willing to bid really high simply isn't around for some reason or never sees the listing because they were on holiday.
What all the above shows is that ebay is not a real auction site, not in the classic sense, because without a fixed time limit, if it were possible for a listing to continue, in many cases the bidding would carry on even higher. Hence why in a real auction the auctioneer decides when s/he believes no further bids appear to be forthcoming, though it's worth noting that even real life auctions involve psych tricks, eg. one article stated the following on the question of why an auctioneer talks so fast: "They talk like that to hypnotize the bidders. Auctioneers don't just talk fast - they chant in a rhythmic monotone so as to lull onlookers into a conditioned pattern of call and response, as if they were playing a game of 'Simon says.' The speed is also intended to give the buyers a sense of urgency: Bid now or lose out." Note the auction site eBid does actually have what they call an auto-extend option (or they used to, not checked recently), ie. the seller can choose this option so that if a bid occurs in the closing seconds then the listing will automatically extend for some extra time (a minute or whatever), and I think the extension can happen more than once. I wonder how different using ebay would be if ebay offered such an option; curious that they don't since it favours sellers rather than buyers.
I could mention other psych aspects of using ebay as a buyer, but the above covers the main points. I can't comment quite so much on selling on ebay since (despite a 100% feedback rating of more than 1800) I've still never used ebay to sell anything. :D Though that may change shortly since I do have some X79 items I'll probably list in late Feb.
Ebay is a strange place. It can take the notion of an item only ever being worth what someone is willing to pay and kick it up the arse, in either direction. A recent example which amused me was an obscure item listed for a start price of 200 with Make Offer. I submitted an offer of 250 but it was declined. I then won it for 200 because nobody else bid. :D
A bit hard to guage how all of this might apply to the general PC buy & sell hustle. Ebay is somewhat unique in how it works.
Dude I have never seen a comment this big, I will have to read it in the morning when I am drinking a cuppa.
@@techyescity :D Oh my, I've done much worse in the past, my largest ever I had to split into five separate comments, hehe (YT's size limit is stupid, and it breaks if a reply is too large). I do though try very hard to avoid typos. Umm, I type fast, it's a curse. :}
I am going have to read the rest later, only got thru the 1st two paragraphs.
@@SISSYPUSS Ironically I doubt I'd have the time. :D I have however added such long winded pieces to my own site in the past, eg.:
www.sgidepot.co.uk/postingadvice.html
(though that one does need an update)
Also not keen on Blogger's connection to Google... :}
One of these days I want to redo my own main site, at which time I intend adding perhaps several hundred larger items I've written. Maybe next year, too tied up with family stuff this year. I should add, I keep local copies of every significant YT post I make, just in case (the above long post was file no. 444). Btw, including URLs here significantly downgrades the thread's visibility because YT treats posted links as spam.
The first and most easy profits you can make is by buying used parts and making good deals for it. Stick to a set price you are willing to pay for a part and dont go higher.
Good talk. Felt like a legit academic approach to flipping. For my 2¢ I'd say that translating specs to realistic gaming performance will really help lower-end sell. A lot of people don't understand that older systems still offer really good gaming performance.
last time I was this early, Bryan hasnt lost his sanity
im crazy still. ill fill the role.
THE most important component in a PC is RGB lights
R L It’s true. I see overpriced rigs with RGB selling. Like a first gen i7 rig selling for $800 USD.
@@brykit1972 do those even sell though? I see those and think "Who would buy that?"
Datjiggy Sadly they do.
@@brykit1972 what a world
Speaking of RGB, @brian what was the budget RGB case model you recommend in the video?
last year i tried to sell a pc with 4670k, gtx 1060, 120gb ssd 1tb hdd, 3rd party cooler, perfectly overclockable, in a nice tempered glass case for 300EUR in Austria, i couldnt sell it in a month, then i took it apart and voila, everything sold in like a week. smh ...
I feel ya; had a Ryzen 1300X +GTX 960, then a GTX 1050ti, then RX570, then a RX580-8GB. People kept asking for the GPU, so I went through 3 GPU upgrades and made a profit each time, like $30-60 every time, but could not sell the PC for a year when it was $600 USD, or $700 USD, but sold it for $750 with an RX580
@@ApexierGS where did you sell it on
@@tizzle5639 oh, dang i sold that pc almost a year ago, I sold it on Letgo app for local selling
This was an excellent lecture on economics Bryan! So many people needed this. People on your server and others are always asking advice on buying and selling.
sold my Strix 2080ti a week ago after considering it for quite a while. but seeing that there isn't any must-play game up until march/april and new gen gpu's will probably be revealed in this period as well, I took the chance and sold it for 1K. don't think I would even get 800 once new gen gpu's are up for preorder.
now living the life of a true peasant. on-board gpu lol.
grab a rx 570 for 80 bucks off ebay to use when you do this right before every launch. honestly u will be waiting to july for 3080 3080 ti probably.
Did that work out for you in the end?
Most important thing is to optimize the build, avoid bottlenecks!
Like trying to add BMW engine into Lada is not the way.
What website would you sell them on? Also thanks for the great video (:
I've been getting Dell Optiplex 790s with 1tb hd, i5 2500, and 8gb of ram for $50 a machine. I throw a 120gb SSD, a new power supply, and a RX 480 to sell for $350. I feel like I'm selling for way too cheap, buuut I am getting my friends into PC gaming for a pretty fair price. Is that a good enough reason to buy and flip PCs?
Depends on how much money you want to make. I build my PCs' to sell. My cost is $330 USD and I sell them upwards of $600 USD. I got new parts and I am going to test out the waters in the $700 range.
I bought a 1080ti 8700k 32gb ram pc from q surplus lot on eBay for 800$ but was knocked to 500 after. Wyt
Just wondering whats your view of someone snapping up PCs quickly? A day? A week? A month?
the same day if u give them exceptional value
I usually have the intention of one week. Any faster is better.
Thank you for taking the time to reply 🙂.
i did NOT expect my comment to be up there, i thought it was the end of the video n i was about to click off n i hear “zupahsweg” HAHAHAHA scared tf outta me. but aye, thanks man i appreciate it heaps!! i always use to look at these OEM’s as garbage but you’ve really opened my eyes! thanks!
epic content my dude please flesh this series out best you can!
Just a tip, if you ever want a cheap workstation check out the z600 and z800 setups. I got a cheap one with dual x5650s, 48gb ram, 2tb hdd and a cheap quadro for like $250 or something in 2016 lol. I think the prices on them have stayed the same really, if you can get one with quad cores and no ram for under $100 it might be worth upgrading yourself. I would just be careful on memory compatibility
They come with a single 8 pin and a 600w psu
Tech Yes MBA class 🤗
I love me some PC parts hunting and flipping! Good stuff mate!
$300 AUD for a used 1060 3GB!? What is PCMR smoking? I'll never understand the used market, unless you're buying/selling on bulk, like you do, you might as well be getting GPUs and Intel CPUs for MSRP
used nvidia cards are way over priced. you can get a r9 fury on ebay for 100 bucks but a 1050 ti cost 120 LOL. ppl are dumb asses and buy nvidia cause they have low IQ.
@@Joker-no1fz Im guilty of have Nvidia in my pc but I got my 1060 for a steal. The whole system was 300 dollars with cpu GPU ram and power supply during peak mining. But Idk at msrp amd and Nvidia both are over priced, it's just Nvidia holds value for longer for some reason even though amd cards are way better for longevity compared to their gtx/rtx counterparts
@@GatorTomboy yeah right now Dec 2019- Jan 2020 an RX580-8GB and GTX1060-6GB and at $130-$150 is a fair price for used GPUs in the Midwest US because GTX 1660-6GB exists at $199-$239 retail price. (And now 5600XT at $280-$299, it really should be $250 at best)
Also if you don't like the pricing of a GTX 1060 in ur market just get a gtx 980 for $150-$160 for same performance.
Yeah IKR. I can get a 1060 for under $120 USD. In my area.
I just bought a gtx 1050ti cerebus, ryzen 2200g, corsair 550w psu, 8gb lpx ram for £220 (for the daughter). Thats a crazy deal. The website i bought it off was free to sell local site, so no costs for the guy and also everyone on it is broke as shit so stuff just doesnt sell.
Some other bargains ive had over the years off the same site....
Gtx 1060 6gb zotac £75
Gtx 1070 founders msi £145
Gtx 1080 founders msi £250
Rx 570 8gb sapphire nitro £85
Rx 480 strix £112
Gtx 1050ti low profile msi £85
If you clean them up and relist them on ebay with £1 seller days with good pictures and benchmark figures etc you can flip them easy for +50/60% all day.
Theres always a risk that youre buying busted kit however not many people tend to do that as youre going round to their house and they dont want the aggro of someone banging on their door 2 days later with a knackered part theyve sold.
Hello Brian what are the best x79 and x58 mother boards from AliExpress?
He had done some videos on them
i love these, one day ill build up the courage to try and flip one myself
bryan keep up the great work mate
Brian, this is an amazing video brother. I love the fact that you give so much value on your videos. When are you creating your own ISP ? LOL. Great theory explanation, format flow and just great content; thanks for what you do. God bless. Hows the impact in your area for the recent disasters going on ? Hope your family is well. When we gonna see pops again, on a building project ? I think that's enough selfishness. Have a good day.
could you make a video about x58 or x5675 in 2020 ?
Question how much should you charge for building a pc for someone when you guided them in picking the parts and they buy them and I build it for them ?
standard in aus is about $100-150 AUD.
@@techyescity wow so I have been pricing it well then
@@donottouch9110 75 to 100 usd imo.
Fantastic video Brian. I love your knowledge & enthusiasm about what you clearly love to do. Do you find you have become more well known via You Tube, that people are less willing to offer you a good deal once they know who you are?
Hey man not really, I have had some people deter from selling to us, but it's just like meh keep on'.
Cool. Also, do you ever parts hunt interstate or is that too risky?
Awesome in depth explanation!
1 steam account
2 computers logged on steam
Buying 2 different games
Each game under the steam wallet $ amount
And/or both games price is over steam wallet price. But you have not bought the first game then so steam thinks you have the money for both games.
Simultaneously clicking buy now. What happens?
the world unravels around you slowly as to not drive you insane and you are back in high school on a date with your first girlfriend the one that went nuts and you fix her life this time have a family and get rich.
Itachi Tech Talk thanos snaps the world
@@Sarah_Kinz lol u know tech channels are 3 percent female audience sarah. that means you are special.
Itachi Tech Talk woah for real? ;o that’s rad
@@Sarah_Kinz yeah i asked ll the tech channels on twitter.
My math for what price I charge is pretty simple: I only take really good deals, add up what I paid in total, add a mark up that's in line with how strong the PC is. I find that pricing something at for example 220, 230 and 280, 290 works a lot better than straight numbers like 250 and 300, never doing that .99 thing though, that's such clownery when I see people do that haha
Example: I have a PC right now, HP prebuilt, i5 2400, GTX 960 2GB, 240GB SSD, I've spent 120€ in total and will put it up for 180€. If it doesn't sell for more than 10 days I lower the price by 10€, also gives room to get haggled down to 160 and still have decent profit on an easy build. On higher end machines I occasionally make up to 100€ profit, but those take a while to sell and the more something costs the pickier the people get, which is why I'll never get into high end PC flipping.
Once again excellent video! I have been doing PC flipping for the last several years and couple of things that have helped me move PC's fast have been demos and bundles. Earlier on I would have my facebook marketplace post start with video first of the machine running and showing me playing a popular PC title in action (though not sure Facebook allows videos for items you sell anymore :(. ) ,and then have more detailed pictures of the build. Also, when I can get a great deal with monitors either free from recycles or $10-$20 I would bundle that and keyboard and mouse with a headset (Now find bundles on Amazon for those for $30+ dollars with led lights in them) and sell it as a complete 1080p gaming PC for 60 fps as the monitors were 60hz.
I also suggest to network with other sellers and buyers on facebook marketplace/craigslist etc. I have found people that are now go to people for regular supply of parts like motherboard, cpu and ram combos, psu's etc. When you build those relationships can look at getting parts at great deals which can add more to your profit margin.
Hey Bryan super off topic, but did you sell off those threads that you got for trade?
Say you have a 2080ti or 2080...should you sell it now before the 3080 comes out ?
The logic being if you wait closer to 3080 release time the second hand market price will drop.
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you should sell the day they announce new ones if you are upgrading. you wont lose much money. just price it slightly lower than average for your model and it will sell.
yea but do u have a spare graphics card to play with when u done selling the 2080?
Got a club3d r9 280, it has a weird coil whine only when it's under load (heaven and games) any fixes? Tried cleaning it and changing the thermal paste :/
Would someone buy it in the used marketplace?
get new fans on ebay they are like 10 bucks each. not really worth it though that card is shit now.
Was just about to start doing this
Honestly why do I bother building a gaming pc because I live in Canada and everything is more expensive. The cheapest rx 570 4gb I could find in the last month was 153$ CAD and it was used
This video is golden , thumbs up !
I've been watching your videos for a while now and it gives me new ideas in my own pc builds.
I've been making pc builds in south Australia for years now and quite a few gaming PC's too. Recently sold 2 gaming PC's for about $300 with a i5 4460/i5 3570, 16gb ram and a rx 570 in both.
Anyway keep up the good work and keep making videos man.
I was just about to sleep, oh well
so would you advise me going for individual parts instead of full built pc's? cause i'm still learning everything about computers and i do have a good amount of knowledge thus far but would like advice cause i want to start this as my hobby and side hustle and if i can do so i would greatly appreciate it cause my mind is saying buy full used pc's refurbish some parts and or replace them and then resell with a markup.
check my video bro my 555 dollar PC. thats what you want to do. just sell used ugly ass optiplex PC to start. but if you are in a rural area it might be hard if its to rural. sorry bryan not trying to advertise my channel just trying to help this bro and i have a video on it.
hey man have the fires gotten close to you?
Yeh,Old TH-cam.sell s/hand PC systems.What about the OS Win 10.cant run without! with a new os retail up to A$200? How do you pass this one to a Buyer of your Flip System?
Dropping the YES knowledge bomb on us!
I honestly wish you the best on your hustling ventures, your work ethic and mindset should get you far some day.
Your advert is very important to selling a gaming PC, too. In fact, it's probably the most important part. I sell them pretty quickly no matter what price range I post them in, because I don't say silly shit in my advert. Don't just say "it plays every game I throw at it on Ultra settings". Clear pictures and real information that they can look up and find when they do their research. But don't get mired in the details; they want to know CPU speed and how much ram, but not how many IOPS the SSD is capable of. Pick a variety of easy to run, popular games that don't take a long time to download and benchmark them. If they can see you aren't bullshitting, they will buy your PC. If it plays PUBG at 60fps avg @ 1080p medium settings, say so; that will sell your computer. They will have a friend who can smell your bullshit, and can direct them on how well it will play other games based on what you are advertising.
honestly when i flip PC im going to make a benchmark TH-cam video and link it in the sale page and benchmark 5 games.
is slighty over pricing them good so people can haggle?
@@Joker-no1fz Yeah, you always want to have a bit of extra padding to get to the price you really want to get. But before you list it, you should always know for sure what your absolute bottom line is, and don't take less than that. You'll know if you are asking too much by how much interest is generated. But sometimes, it just takes a minute to find the right buyer.
@@Joker-no1fz I actually thought about doing this, but it's too time intensive at that point. Yeah, you have to play the games, but making and posting a video, for me at least, was just going too far. Also, they will look up videos for themselves to decide if it's the performance they are looking for.
@@s13sil80 well have a tech youtube so it makes sense to more.
You're making some great margins! I build a little on the side just for fun and learning, and I do make profit on each build, but pretty minimal. I would be better off buying and selling just the parts because I get some GREAT deals, but where's the fun in that? I enjoy building PC's. Perhaps I am building the wrong tier of PC.
This is so accurate. This is what I do.
I know who the guy in 1:50 is but can someone explain to me the reference?
He's Ed from TechSource YT channel for the reference though with pricing... not sure of that yet lol. Might just be for the comic effect...
I really HATE those stupid tech-fetish channels parading & gloating about tech that most can't afford . And yes , comedy sure is the reference here :))
@@abhroy Yep most tech channels really love their pricey tech hehe. I mean most people can just afford to watch YT videos rather than the topics of the videos themselves but hey at least there's an option :)
13:55 what's the website link
Can anyone explain how identifying a coming trend like a fall in GPU prices due to a mining bust delivers profit to current trades?
You would surely need a stockpile of GPU to sell into the market, that you buy back cheaper AND can resell.
In general, we expect defationary pressure as new products are released and marketed. Few enjoy antique PCs!
what's a good price for this setup?
2600k
asus p8z77-vpro
Diamond Multimedia 7970
corsair h80iv2 AIO
4x4GB corsair 2133 rated ram
cooler master 800W gold rated PSU
seagate 750GB hybrid drive
samsung 840(non-pro) 250GB ssd
DIY case - it has tempered glass side panel(cost about $40 on newegg)
*note, i've had the cpu easily OC to 4.6, but the cooler would need to be swapped out for a 240 rad AIO to go any higher on the OC
My wife has been pushing me to sell it since I don't use it becuase I do all my gaming on my main pc
Hi, how much should I sell my old system it is Intell Xeon Processor E3 -1220V3 3.1GHZ 8MB CACHE LGA1150
Motherboard (still to buy one)
16gb ddr3 HyperX Fury black series 1866mhz(2*8)
RADEON R9 280X GAMING 3G
HyperX 240gb SSD os
1tb hard drive x2
Bluetooth 5 and wifi 6 pic card
Cooler Master Stryker SE Computer Case with all accessories and screws
and fans
ULTRA X3 1000 power supply ?????????????????????????????
Would £200 ponds be too high? Need your advice
Tech YES City.
needs a better graphics card. get a used nvidia card imo. nvidia sells better. or a rx 570. that video card u have in it is to weak to play most games.
Been waiting on a upload from TYC
When I was in the PC trade I had a common rule: 20% devalue on day One. As soon as you leave the store, it becomes a second hand PC. So, a 1,000 euro PC is worth 800. After a year, when the standard warranty runs out, its devalued 40% of newprice, so a 1,000 euro PC is worth 600. After 3 years its devalued 60%. Its economically end of life... Then it devalues another 10% a year, so 70% after 4 years, 80% after 5, 90% after 6. Then it becomes whatever someone would still like to pay for it, or the tip.
Robert Craane That’s a good guide. Thanks.
Thanks mate! Do your own research especially in your area!
Have any extra i7 2nd generation?
I am planing on building some computers and selling them specifically for Fortnite. What is considered a Fortnite capable PC? When building one should I aim for a specific framerate on a certain game preset?
that filter you use in the beginning of your video always makes me think my GPU is artifacts on video playback lmao
what's with the horribile black and white video with the interference all over it at the start, is that meant to be an effect and be there or is it an error?
Good day to you Bryan, should I put the cost of fuel, electricity, house rent, and other costs into the computers that I build that I do for future customers?
guys the ssd metal shield mount came off as I was installing them but they still work though Im struggling to put the cover back on..
What’s up man. You doing alright down under with all that’s going on down there? Love the videos and being one who sells computers can definitely relate to this.
I love building pcs and always wanted to do this
Your timing couldnt be better. I just decided and partly bought my first parts wich I want to put together and flip. :))))
Ron Jeremy Im mean like I have big problem with people wanting ridiculous prices for old hardware. Imagine R9 Fury 4GB for 135Bucks but you can have RX 580 8Gb for same price. 580 is much less power hungry and 18% higher performence and sometimes it comes with warranty.
Ron Jeremy Or lot of people here want ridiculous prices for intel old cpus sometimes It comes even close to their own msrp. 7700k is selling on secondhand for 277bucks.
@Ron Jeremy those pc sell all the time on eBay.
The best deal? I sold a build with a FX 8350, Asus ROG V Formula - Z, 16gbs of ram, 120gb sdd, 1tb hdd, MSI GTX 1060, all for $700 in NYC... let us sink that in for a moment...
i think currently there is a lack of knowledge of the second hand cpu market and where the new cpu market currently is to where it is quite easy to exploit people and sell them trash the ryzen 1600 AF for 85 usd new or the 2700x for 115-120 usd to the 3500x for the same money are all new deals that offer price to performance and long term viability that buying anything used that isn't 8th gen or newer on intel seems like a waste to me.
once this becomes better and better understood (and when more must play games require that 6-8 core with SMT/hyperthreading comes out in 2-3 months) the market will tank so if you are doing used PC builds keep cpu stock low as not to get burned on this fact.
meanwhile the second hand GPU market is super strong right now and more and more people are in it looking for deals themselves. this is mostly due to the quite frankly 3 year standstill on gpu pricing to performance.
Hope I’ve got your attention for a video idea.
Hey hey Brian, happy new year! Long time viewer and love the yes tech channel.
I got a suggestion for a video. Ryzen 3000G vs an older CPU in a similar spec’ed system.
Just to see if it’s worth while getting an upgrade to it or stick with a price/perf PC?
Amazing video...
I like your Corsair 680x!! I have the white one and it's awesome, I would recommend it to anyone!
Brian would you be interested in 2 water cooled 6990s?
I've never known what to charge for a pc I have always just sold for $20 over what it cost me to build it just for my time basically because it's fun but I build usually off of last Gen parts to keep them cheap but the performance still exists to enjoy for what they need it for.
Usually I use a pc for 2-3years and then sell it for what I built it for +$50.
If i want to sell my current rig but want to keep my files and games so i dont have to re install , can i just remove that drive and put a new drive into that system install windows then done. And as for my new rig, could i just plug in my drive and it should work .? If not what do i do ?
For me, the hardest part about selling PCs is finding customers to sell them to...
I usualy go for the better CPU. GPUs are easier to change or sell that is.
With the absolute bargain basement pricing on 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen it makes absolutely zero sense to use an Intel processor in budget builds.
Thanks for all the advice. Do you ofer waranty? If yes, How long ?
Awesome. Thanks for this!
My first PC was a i5 6600 8gb's of ram and a 980ti when it was still the top dog
I agree go after the GPU (within reason)
In South africa we have a website called birorbuy.There was 2 listings for a gtx 1070 ti.One was R3899 and the other one was bid.So we played tug of war with a nother guy.We eventually got it for R3650.Now people say ye but it's only 200 rand blablabla.It's 200 rand saved non the less and it was a great buy for my system.My friend actually got a rx 580 8gb model for 138 usd if i convert currency which are also a great buy.
And do you know who was forst with proces xx9.99 ? :)
In the discord, everybody has been telling me i have been crushing it. making great profit off these pcs... Hope to catch up with you one day bro, cheers.
Arbitrage!
Excellent presentation
i like this dude
anmazing tech channel
you make it sounds like how trade system works on mmorpgs
From someone who asked that question: Thanks!
Great videos as always. Whenever I'm looking if I can find it on ebay (including recently sold) cheaper I'm not interested or I offer less.
Good vid, just about to sell an older gaming build :)
Market Theory: Bryan increased the supply AND demand for Tech YES Loved PCs.
Realism: People just love Tech YES Loved machines.
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