Merry Xmas all, hope you enjoy this one, lots more content coming over the holiday season as well as a new years parts hunt! Edit, big thank you all for subscribing too, 600K!
They both are Arc Series cards.The previous ones were Arc Alchemist gpus and the new ones are still Arc but Battlemage gpus. Edit : Wrote the comment before ending the video, correction in the naming is at the end of it.
@@tilapiadave3234 calling me a fanboy when your entire comment history is praising intel and Nvidia lol. It's a fact that amd is cheaper for the same performance bracket.
Thanks for the review and recommendation, Bryan! The only thing I would have appreciated is a comment about the conspicuous 5% lows in a few titles; perhaps some more commentary on subjective gameplay "feel." Merry Christmas!
Had mine for two years and it has doubled it performance. Plus it overclocks well. On 4k with i7-13700k. It gives better experience with half the FPS compared to 4070ti. Different architecture from all good frames vs half broken frames with stutter.
@@zombl337og I predict the B770/B780 to be Xe2 32 cores/Xe2 40 cores on PCIe 5.0 x16 direct access to CPU. Compare that to B580 that is Xe2 20 cores at PCIe 4.0 x8. PCIe 5.0 double the data transfer compared to PCIe 4.0. And PCIe 4.0 x8 is only quarter of the PCIe 5.0 x16 speed. REBAR vs direct access. Add CUDIMM that offers +20% gains. Lot better E Cores and L2 extreme power of 295W from Arrow Lake. INTEL is dual silicon architecture. See where I'm going? There is a huge potential. I think it will land somewhere at 5080 if not better. B580 I see as ironing the bugs out. I wouldn't be surprised if INTEL announces at the same time as Nvidia taking their thunder.
Yessss !!! at last .... someone reported ReBar for those Battllemage !!! Thank you Bryan ,since ,my complaints to those other reviewers was exactly what you said ,that *the Battlemage ,due to its appealing price ,will be mostly desirable to lower budget players ,and those lower budget gamers won't necessarily have a new* (ReBar supported) *CPU* . My own systems are based on Ryzen2700X/3700X ,just like many other people i suppose... Thanks !!
@@The79Vivir this is the answer if you ask MS copilot about ReBar support for Ryzen3xxx series : """"Yes, the Ryzen 3xxx-series CPUs generally support the Resizable BAR (ReBAR) feature. *However, to enable ReBAR, you'll need a compatible motherboard* ( *typically a 500-series chipset or newer* ) and a compatible GPU"""" ,so this isn't applied to everyone
In germany they go around 320/330 (and netherlands +10). Two times I saw the intel version for 300 euro. So they are in available. I think I'm going to pick one up for my living room pc. My current AMD rx 480 8gb has no support anymore and was only playable with newer games that support upscaling. Still going to need upscaling with the Intel b580 but at least not with low settings anymore. I'm also impressed with intels upscaler.
@@Takashita_Sukakoki apparently Intel was surprised by the enthusiastic reaction to the card. Hopefully they increase the production in the coming weeks.
@@Pårchmēntôs they are losing serious money each unit sold. The gpu die is massive and there are still serious architectural weaknesses on battlemage (seems to be unable too load all cores on 1080p explains the 1440p results). The price is great for what it is.
@@Takashita_Sukakoki the goal is to take some market share so they’re probably fine with losing money on the sale. I think they just weren’t expecting people to like it as much as they do.
You're the first reviewer to mention the lack of in-driver screen capturing. I actually use that a lot. Crazy how people can put together these videos without thinking about anything except benchmarks. Thank you!
@dostrazzz4647 something like shadowplay or the adrenaline version where you can press a button combo to start recording, and it's built into the drivers of the card. OBS is just buggy sometimes. Shadowplay always works.
Yeah, I was excited for this GPU but I still got the 4060 because of that + stability + RT and Nvidia features like cuda for Blender. It gets a lot of hate but for my use case it's perfect lol
The intel arc b580 cards early problems in some games reminds me a lot of how the 5700xt overcame the 2070 super about 2 years after launch when tests were ran fresh. Amd really put out driver improvements and the card aged like fine wine and is still going for 200-150 in my area.
A slight nitpicky correction: "ARC" is Intel's equivalent to Nvidia's "GeForce" and AMD'a "Radeon" nomenclature for their graphics cards and not the architecture/generation name like Battlemage. You had issues with Alchemist cards not ARC cards since the b580 is also an ARC card. I apologize for nitpicking, but I couldn't resist, have a nice day 😁
Been impressed with my ASRock Arc B580 as well, runs all the games I want to play over xmas at over 120hz-200hz on low settings, and for £285 can't really complain. Was nice to give Intel a try and this card stays quiet even under load and with the fans working up to 1000-1500rpm for me. Great card to have in the interim as I wait for Nvidia before deciding what to do with it.
Another important thing is that Intel cards don't support VR. I ordered a A770 from newegg, not realizing I didn't order the latest card.😢 It was to replace my 3080 that started throwing code 97 on the motherboard. Long story short, it wasn't the card, thank goodness! But after researching more, Intel finally came out and said no VR support on any of their cards. So, I'm going to see how good newegg's return policy is for an unopened gpu...
I would say it depends on what your budget is. If you're looking to build a system in the $500-600 range, this might be the card to pick up now. If your budget is higher, then it might be good to wait, but I highly doubt anyone else is going to put out something as good as the B580 for $250. Hell, I doubt you'll see any of the new come close at $280.
0:35 Is he conflating ARC, Intel's GPU brand, with Alchemist, their 1st gen GPU series? It feels like he keeps doing this throughout the video (or interchangeably when talking about their 1st party cards, too).
@@paulboyce8537 I know but the RX 6600 is a 4.0 x8 card too, I think. It runs most games higher than 60 FPS so I can't complain about its performance since I'm limiting it by not having a PCIe 4 slot. I'm hoping that the B580 will perform better than the RX 6600 in the same computer
@@dbeko07 There is architectural difference where CPU only feeds the GPU and INTEL ARC where the CPU is paired via REBAR to split the tasks with GPU. So if in doubt I think AMD/Nvidia with PCIe 3.0 x8 might work better and INTEL ARC might be restricted because of the bigger data transfer. For Alchemist it is vital to have INTEL CPU and better it is better the ARC works. With every driver update the gap is getting bigger to AMD CPU. INTEL ARC is optimized to INTEL CPU.
I have the A380 for QSV hardware video transcoding via ffmpeg and for that narrow use it is brilliant. I don't play games. For all the TH-cam reviews of the B580 not one of them compares comparative QSV performance. Not all GPU users play games.😮
although used at least here you can get rtx 3070 and rx 6800 plenty cheaper, last year could even get rx6800 new for the same price as higher end b580 model costs now. Sometimes can get rx6800xt and rtx 3080 for that price used. 2nd hand is of course much better deal. 1080ti is half the price.
Such an interesting card, would love to have one! Here in Finland tho so the euro conversion and tax etc. hits hard and all the models are around 340€ D:
Australia I got mine 75€ cheaper. But getting more expensive here after elections that screwed the Australian Dollar. Word of today is "Tariffs". Australian talking point to follow the idiocy of U.S.
I suspect the 250€ price to be an early buyers unicorn and the actual price from partners landing near 275´ist. In europe i can buy the cheapest model for 339€
I was going to pick up one of the B580s, however they were all out of stock, so I ended up finding an open box 7600 XT at my local BestBuy for $279, works great, around the same performance, not Nvidia.
As an A750 user on an AM4 5700X platform I find it rock stable and incredibly good value for the price. Have you used the DDU utility to remove any old nVidia/AMD/Intel gpu drivers before installing the Arc ones? If not that is probably your issue... When I went from 1660 Super oo the A750 I HAD to use that utility or else I had weird issues all over the place ( Intel inform customs to use DDU when changing from any other card )
Right at the beginning you made a mistake. Battlemage is also Arc. The first series was not the Arc series, but the Alchemist series. Alchemist and Battlemage are both Intel Arc.
I am a bit surprised you had issues with the Arc cards That being said, I am waiting for the 'high-end' releases that are supposed to happen for the Battlemage cards. It will be quite the thing once they come out I think
I found with the Alchemist card, when I removed the Control centre, the glitches I had went too. Now I only install and update drivers and it runs fine.
Merry Christmas. This won't have the full overclock potential of the Steel Legend but it should have a bit in it. Founders Edition had great thermals and power, so probably doesn't need the third fan.
all 10 units, it seems it was a paper launch on many places but since reviewers did not burned intel this time, they will send units soon to more places
It is same with A770. 1080p OK but compares pretty poorly, at 1440p it is very good and compares on par with more expensive cards, 4k leaves them behind. Also don't look at the FPS as it is about the experience. At 4k you get better experience with half the FPS than 4070ti. Also overclocking is huge on INTEL ARC. A770 of mine 2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W. Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W. This is max but good stable is 45W and 350 MHz lift. B580 seem to be hitting 2850 MHz as constant and I've seen overclocking stable at 3200 MHz to give up to 10% performance boost. AMD/Nvidia all you can hope is about 1-3% performance boost as their cards are all sold at max already.
@@SciFiDude79That doesn't really answer the question. What about it being tuned for 1440P makes it run worse? Running 'below spec' shouldn't do that, and it's even stranger with the B570 being a 1080P card. From what I've heard it's to do with bandwidth, so it may just be a scheduling issue or something.
@@ZombieBarioth I do remember something about a lot of scheduling problems with Alchemist design. I wish intel had got power use down more but Battlemage is an impressive fix from Alchemist.
it was rumored that intel is selling the arc b580 at a loss (250$ msrp) however i see that the AIBs are seeling 10-20$ more except for gunnir b580 which is priced at 400$ and no one is talking about it
The Gunnir is usually being sold by a 3rd party retailer that will always mark the price up. The BOM of the B580 isn't that high to begin with. The GPU core is relatively small(better yields and more can be cut from the wafer), the core doesn't need beefy VRM's to back it up, and a quantity of six GR6 2GB modules are not that expensive. Nvidia usually goes for a 60% margin with their cards. They paid through the nose for 4N wafers which is why they are priced the way they are.
If the b580 came more powerful, I'd swap from my 3070. 3070 undervolted and most games I'm at the same wattage as the b580. Intel did an amazing job on this card. No more nvidia for me in the future as they just charge too much for less.
As a budget gamer, I've been looking at a 3060 12GB used to replace my 1660 Super. Everybody is basically saying to avoid 8GB cards now. The B580 is 50K yen in Japan so far. Not great.
This is decently impressive. I've toyed with everything and a mainstream card that will last like the RX580 did is great for the masses, the price on B580 is nice.
That is wonderful! Hope Intel will recover and bring us more of this. How is performance on a PCIe 3.0 System since it only uses 8 lanes of the 16x connector?
'Cheap' is a relative term here in the UK. Sure, the B580 cards initially launched at around £259 - £269 , but within seven days these prices had risen by £10-£15 for the same stock. This was all sold out by about by mid-December. New stock has now arrived, or is on the point of delivery to the online retailers, and the prices are: £284.99 to £299.99. Unless the manufacturers have hiked prices, there are no external factors to justify this; no sudden big rise in inflation, no rise in fuel costs, no new import taxes or duties. Just pure, unadulterated greed on the part of the retailers!
@@Skobeloff... as i said, youtube decides where they put ads, and is not in hands of the youtuber where that happens, the youtubers edit the video and puts his own ad, but youtube doesnt decide that that is my point
Nice to see that Intel are still trying to get into the market by offering these GPUs at a reasonable price. They still offer nothing to me as I have a RX 6800XT, but neither do Nvidia 5xxx (far too expensive to buy anything worthy of an upgrade) or AMD 9xxx (tiny bump to the fps and RayTracing which is still a gimmick in most cases). The most important parts of a GPU for me are bandwidth and 16GB+ of VRAM so the card doesn't chock on textures. If Intel provide that for their next gen then there may be something worth looking at. Merry Christmas and hopeful New Year to all.
I bought the ASRock Challenger from newegg and put it into the old Corsair Air 540 case, which is a terrible case for Graphics cards. The highest temps I've seen is 68c on the Hot Spot. Sometimes with these mid-range and entry-level cards, its not worth paying more for the monster triple fan cooler, and this is one of those instances. Monster cards like the 4090 on the other hand.... yeah I'd pay a bit more for the Suprim or Strix version.
Rocking the 6700 XT atm and seeing the leaks for the 9000 series, the performance leap seems lackluster. I refused to buy Nvidia because I always remember the late Gordon Mah Ung saying the internet bitch and moan but still end up buying Nvidia which led to the current state of GPU market with Nvidia releasing overpriced GPU while AMD at half-raised white flag.
Merry Xmas all, hope you enjoy this one, lots more content coming over the holiday season as well as a new years parts hunt! Edit, big thank you all for subscribing too, 600K!
congrats on 600k!
Congrats on the 600k subs and Merry Christmas! 🎄
Great video, like always.
Let's hope I can get one LE card next week 😅
Merry Christmas mate! Always here for your awesome content!
Merry Xmas 🎉
🎄 *Merry Christmas* 🎄
I really like the low power draw of the B580. Can't wait to see how the B570 compares.
They both are Arc Series cards.The previous ones were Arc Alchemist gpus and the new ones are still Arc but Battlemage gpus.
Edit : Wrote the comment before ending the video, correction in the naming is at the end of it.
Arc is GeForce/Radeon naming, A...B...C naming is confusing from Intel tho
Well, he could be saying Alc to refer to the alchemist series 😅
Lol i confused myself don't worry.
This
Arc A, Arc B, Arc C.
Good to see a competitive 3rd player. Merry Xmas and happy 2025.
Who is the second competitive player??? Ohh you mean AMD that have completely failed to compete
Just get a better job I've bought quad 5090 super ti with solid 24k gold heatsinks. With dual CPU threadripper.😊 Poor peasant. @@tilapiadave3234
@@tilapiadave3234nope, amd on the used market has the lowest prices for the performance it gives. For example a rtx 3060 is 220 but a Rx 6600 is 120
@@Flex-cx7uj Nope ,, Cannot compare VASTLY superior Nvidia to pretend GPU's made by AMD ,,, wake up fanboy
@@tilapiadave3234 calling me a fanboy when your entire comment history is praising intel and Nvidia lol. It's a fact that amd is cheaper for the same performance bracket.
Honestly the ASRock challenger models are really looking much better over time compared to previous iterations
Couldn't agree more.
I replaced a gigabyte gaming oc RX 6800 with an Asrock challenger version. The gigabyte whined fiercely but the Asrock has been great....
I preordered this version literally just because
Thanks for the review and recommendation, Bryan! The only thing I would have appreciated is a comment about the conspicuous 5% lows in a few titles; perhaps some more commentary on subjective gameplay "feel." Merry Christmas!
Oh yeah those games have in built benchmarks which when I check them they are very accurate so I just use that instead. Changes it up I guess.
Still waiting for my pre order to arrive here in the Uk from overclockers Uk
Me Too
Pre order? That's a bit wild. I just checked one morning and saw in stock
I saw 7th Jan mentioned on one uk site. I'm waiting too!
Good luck look at that companies feedback
Likewise, pre ordered this card on the 7th but still nothing.
Merry Christmas, yes mate I watched this after Christmas lunch and the reference made me SMILE!
Grats on 600K subs, Bryan! And happy holiday to you and your loved ones as well!
Merry Christmas
Merry Xmas!
Congratulation from Japan on reaching 600K subs, and a Merry Christmas. Lil something to put in the Tech Yes City Mobile for the parts Hunt
can't believe brian never admitted he was wrong about intel hiding something about battlemage. still love the video
Merry Christmas Tech Yes from Pennsylvania USA!!!! Love the Channel!!!🤗
Merry Xmas
Merry Christmas to you, congrats on 600k! Well deserved.
Merry Christmas buddy 🎄🎉
Merry Christmas man!
Merry Christmas! You are an awesome human! Keep up the great work!!!
Very Merry Christmas to you as well!
Thank you for including the 1080ti. I have one in my work pc and I game on it when I have down time.
Grats on 600k
I have had the A770 for over a year, still cant figure out why others have issues. Never Ever any issues what so ever.
do you play old games from 90s and 2000s with it?
Had mine for two years and it has doubled it performance. Plus it overclocks well. On 4k with i7-13700k. It gives better experience with half the FPS compared to 4070ti. Different architecture from all good frames vs half broken frames with stutter.
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@@paulboyce8537 A B770 w/ 16GB+ would go hard for like $400-$500, and Celestial could be amazing!
@@zombl337og I predict the B770/B780 to be Xe2 32 cores/Xe2 40 cores on PCIe 5.0 x16 direct access to CPU. Compare that to B580 that is Xe2 20 cores at PCIe 4.0 x8.
PCIe 5.0 double the data transfer compared to PCIe 4.0. And PCIe 4.0 x8 is only quarter of the PCIe 5.0 x16 speed. REBAR vs direct access. Add CUDIMM that offers +20% gains. Lot better E Cores and L2 extreme power of 295W from Arrow Lake. INTEL is dual silicon architecture. See where I'm going? There is a huge potential. I think it will land somewhere at 5080 if not better. B580 I see as ironing the bugs out. I wouldn't be surprised if INTEL announces at the same time as Nvidia taking their thunder.
Thanks Tech Yes City for releasing this video, made my Christmas complete. Merry Chrristmas Tech Yes Citizens!
Merry Christimas to everyone. Great dGPU, great review.
I love AsRock products, my 7900XTX OC its an AsRock Phantom Gaming and its a beast.
Happy holidays Bryan
Merry Christmas, thank you for all your work.
Merry Xmas to you, thank you for the contined great content this year, look forward to next year
yay tech yes happy yesmas and new year in advance
Yessss !!! at last .... someone reported ReBar for those Battllemage !!!
Thank you Bryan ,since ,my complaints to those other reviewers was exactly what you said ,that *the Battlemage ,due to its appealing price ,will be mostly desirable to lower budget players ,and those lower budget gamers won't necessarily have a new* (ReBar supported) *CPU* . My own systems are based on Ryzen2700X/3700X ,just like many other people i suppose...
Thanks !!
The R5 3600X supports rebar. I have one and it's activated for my nvidia
@@The79Vivir this is the answer if you ask MS copilot about ReBar support for Ryzen3xxx series :
""""Yes, the Ryzen 3xxx-series CPUs generally support the Resizable BAR (ReBAR) feature. *However, to enable ReBAR, you'll need a compatible motherboard* ( *typically a 500-series chipset or newer* ) and a compatible GPU"""" ,so this isn't applied to everyone
Merry Christmas mate, hope you and your family have an awesome day
yesss finally yesss, thank u for the video like always
Merry Christmas, sir.
Thank you for trying to undervolt! I will be looking out for further undervolting information from Tech Yes City.
Battlemage is Arc just like Alchemist was. Battlemage is much more baked than Alchemist was
Merry Christmas TYC Fam. May the coming year be blessed with Tech Goodness.🎉
In germany they go around 320/330 (and netherlands +10). Two times I saw the intel version for 300 euro. So they are in available. I think I'm going to pick one up for my living room pc. My current AMD rx 480 8gb has no support anymore and was only playable with newer games that support upscaling. Still going to need upscaling with the Intel b580 but at least not with low settings anymore. I'm also impressed with intels upscaler.
Scalpers are preventing us from getting our hands on these in our area unfortunately
oh no way, that sucks. They sold out in aus pretty quick, but that's because I don't think there were that many.
Its easier too see it as a bit of goodwill farming from intel 250 for reviews but those models will disappear soon enough
@@Takashita_Sukakoki apparently Intel was surprised by the enthusiastic reaction to the card. Hopefully they increase the production in the coming weeks.
@@Pårchmēntôs they are losing serious money each unit sold. The gpu die is massive and there are still serious architectural weaknesses on battlemage (seems to be unable too load all cores on 1080p explains the 1440p results). The price is great for what it is.
@@Takashita_Sukakoki the goal is to take some market share so they’re probably fine with losing money on the sale. I think they just weren’t expecting people to like it as much as they do.
Well, if you have chaos...I hope it's the good kind...Merry Christmas.
You're the first reviewer to mention the lack of in-driver screen capturing. I actually use that a lot. Crazy how people can put together these videos without thinking about anything except benchmarks.
Thank you!
What is in-driver screen capturing?
@dostrazzz4647 something like shadowplay or the adrenaline version where you can press a button combo to start recording, and it's built into the drivers of the card.
OBS is just buggy sometimes. Shadowplay always works.
Seems to be outstanding performance for the price
ordered this exact card yesterday, hoping it does well!
I tried taking a look at a Tech YES City video.
10/10 would recommend
Those % lows are shocking for something that claims to wipe the floor with the 4060.
Yeah, I was excited for this GPU but I still got the 4060 because of that + stability + RT and Nvidia features like cuda for Blender. It gets a lot of hate but for my use case it's perfect lol
The intel arc b580 cards early problems in some games reminds me a lot of how the 5700xt overcame the 2070 super about 2 years after launch when tests were ran fresh. Amd really put out driver improvements and the card aged like fine wine and is still going for 200-150 in my area.
If asrock releases a 200mm B580 or better for $300 or less I would buy it right now.
7:19 Ryzen 7 Pro 2700 + Arc A750 + Asrock A320 resizable BAR here 🥰
A slight nitpicky correction:
"ARC" is Intel's equivalent to Nvidia's "GeForce" and AMD'a "Radeon" nomenclature for their graphics cards and not the architecture/generation name like Battlemage.
You had issues with Alchemist cards not ARC cards since the b580 is also an ARC card.
I apologize for nitpicking, but I couldn't resist, have a nice day 😁
Been impressed with my ASRock Arc B580 as well, runs all the games I want to play over xmas at over 120hz-200hz on low settings, and for £285 can't really complain. Was nice to give Intel a try and this card stays quiet even under load and with the fans working up to 1000-1500rpm for me.
Great card to have in the interim as I wait for Nvidia before deciding what to do with it.
It's me or Tech Yes Men looks younger.
Love you dude, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the days are getting longer now. That means, uh huh. :)
Another important thing is that Intel cards don't support VR. I ordered a A770 from newegg, not realizing I didn't order the latest card.😢 It was to replace my 3080 that started throwing code 97 on the motherboard. Long story short, it wasn't the card, thank goodness! But after researching more, Intel finally came out and said no VR support on any of their cards. So, I'm going to see how good newegg's return policy is for an unopened gpu...
Seems to be an awesome mid-range card.
Would you recommend waiting until January? We're getting new 9000 AMD cards and apparently a 7000 series refresh from current rumors. Merry Christmas.
I would say it depends on what your budget is. If you're looking to build a system in the $500-600 range, this might be the card to pick up now. If your budget is higher, then it might be good to wait, but I highly doubt anyone else is going to put out something as good as the B580 for $250. Hell, I doubt you'll see any of the new come close at $280.
I might buy a B770 -- if we get one, anyway.
eh intel is sadly out of range in germany, too expensive here, about 100€/dollar difference dont make it a good deal overseas
0:35 Is he conflating ARC, Intel's GPU brand, with Alchemist, their 1st gen GPU series? It feels like he keeps doing this throughout the video (or interchangeably when talking about their 1st party cards, too).
Maybe he meant Alc for alchemist😅
I'm considering replacing my RX 6600 with this card but the motherboard is PCIe 3.0 so maybe you can do tests with PCIe 3 please? Thanks
From 4.0 to 3.0 the data transfer is halved. And B580 uses 4.0 x8. So you are looking at 3.0 x8 speeds. Most likely works with a performance hit.
@@paulboyce8537 I know but the RX 6600 is a 4.0 x8 card too, I think. It runs most games higher than 60 FPS so I can't complain about its performance since I'm limiting it by not having a PCIe 4 slot. I'm hoping that the B580 will perform better than the RX 6600 in the same computer
Pcie 3.0 will have plenty of bandwidth for a b580. The bigger issue is do you have resiezable bar? It's essential for arc gpus
@RoastedSushiiwtf is resizeable bar
@@dbeko07 There is architectural difference where CPU only feeds the GPU and INTEL ARC where the CPU is paired via REBAR to split the tasks with GPU. So if in doubt I think AMD/Nvidia with PCIe 3.0 x8 might work better and INTEL ARC might be restricted because of the bigger data transfer. For Alchemist it is vital to have INTEL CPU and better it is better the ARC works. With every driver update the gap is getting bigger to AMD CPU. INTEL ARC is optimized to INTEL CPU.
Well if the King of Value says so, can't go wrong with this one.
In some games, tests suggest that it even beats the RTX 4060Ti.
If it beats 4060Ti then it DESTROYS 7600xt
Those 0.1% lows are terrible though
Could u do a video testing ryzen rendering and modeling test
I have the A380 for QSV hardware video transcoding via ffmpeg and for that narrow use it is brilliant. I don't play games. For all the TH-cam reviews of the B580 not one of them compares comparative QSV performance. Not all GPU users play games.😮
although used at least here you can get rtx 3070 and rx 6800 plenty cheaper, last year could even get rx6800 new for the same price as higher end b580 model costs now. Sometimes can get rx6800xt and rtx 3080 for that price used. 2nd hand is of course much better deal. 1080ti is half the price.
You mean the Alchemist series as the battlemage series is also Arc. Arc is like GeForce
Such an interesting card, would love to have one! Here in Finland tho so the euro conversion and tax etc. hits hard and all the models are around 340€ D:
Australia I got mine 75€ cheaper. But getting more expensive here after elections that screwed the Australian Dollar. Word of today is "Tariffs". Australian talking point to follow the idiocy of U.S.
I suspect the 250€ price to be an early buyers unicorn and the actual price from partners landing near 275´ist. In europe i can buy the cheapest model for 339€
lmao its basicly a little better than 5700xt card with 3 times the price
That's not how it has ever worked with any Intel, AMD, or Nvidia product but go off...
Also as others pointed out, both gens are ARC cards.
1- Alchemist
2 - Battlemage
A series and B series.
I was going to pick up one of the B580s, however they were all out of stock, so I ended up finding an open box 7600 XT at my local BestBuy for $279, works great, around the same performance, not Nvidia.
As an A750 user on an AM4 5700X platform I find it rock stable and incredibly good value for the price. Have you used the DDU utility to remove any old nVidia/AMD/Intel gpu drivers before installing the Arc ones? If not that is probably your issue... When I went from 1660 Super oo the A750 I HAD to use that utility or else I had weird issues all over the place ( Intel inform customs to use DDU when changing from any other card )
Right at the beginning you made a mistake. Battlemage is also Arc. The first series was not the Arc series, but the Alchemist series. Alchemist and Battlemage are both Intel Arc.
Can you also test streaming capabilities for this graphics card?
11:00 what the hell Mike Shinoda tech tips???
Here is the US they are all sold out! A lot of reviewers are recommending these as upgrades and new builds.
I am a bit surprised you had issues with the Arc cards
That being said, I am waiting for the 'high-end' releases that are supposed to happen for the Battlemage cards. It will be quite the thing once they come out I think
I found with the Alchemist card, when I removed the Control centre, the glitches I had went too. Now I only install and update drivers and it runs fine.
Merry Christmas.
This won't have the full overclock potential of the Steel Legend but it should have a bit in it. Founders Edition had great thermals and power, so probably doesn't need the third fan.
With the Intel software bugs you've mentioned - did you only see this in Win 10? Or can you confirm it's also present in Win 11? Thanks!
They miraculously sold out one day before release in new zealand
Yeah that's what happens with a paper launch. Intel is selling them at a loss so they can't afford to sell in any significant numbers.
Given away free when you rent your sheep in pink bikini?
@@andrewweltlich9065how’d you figure that?
all 10 units, it seems it was a paper launch on many places but since reviewers did not burned intel this time, they will send units soon to more places
This is the only card I've seen that gets stronger the higher the resolution. Am I the only one who finds this ... strange?
Intel targeted 1440p with this one and tuned it for that resolution. Running it at 1080p is running it below spec, hence the worse performance.
It is same with A770. 1080p OK but compares pretty poorly, at 1440p it is very good and compares on par with more expensive cards, 4k leaves them behind. Also don't look at the FPS as it is about the experience. At 4k you get better experience with half the FPS than 4070ti. Also overclocking is huge on INTEL ARC. A770 of mine 2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W. Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W. This is max but good stable is 45W and 350 MHz lift. B580 seem to be hitting 2850 MHz as constant and I've seen overclocking stable at 3200 MHz to give up to 10% performance boost. AMD/Nvidia all you can hope is about 1-3% performance boost as their cards are all sold at max already.
@@SciFiDude79 Seems weird, considering that most people still game at 1080
@@SciFiDude79That doesn't really answer the question. What about it being tuned for 1440P makes it run worse? Running 'below spec' shouldn't do that, and it's even stranger with the B570 being a 1080P card.
From what I've heard it's to do with bandwidth, so it may just be a scheduling issue or something.
@@ZombieBarioth I do remember something about a lot of scheduling problems with Alchemist design. I wish intel had got power use down more but Battlemage is an impressive fix from Alchemist.
I've heard at the retail price of $249 they're losing $20 each but they have zero stock on anything $279 and below here in the states.
Agree about the "Arc" naming.
Intel is a bit confusing with names like Xe, Iris, UHD, HD, GT, GMA, Arc, etc.
it was rumored that intel is selling the arc b580 at a loss (250$ msrp) however i see that the AIBs are seeling 10-20$ more except for gunnir b580 which is priced at 400$ and no one is talking about it
I wouldn't say "nobody" is talking about it. I know that Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus have both mentioned how the AIB prices are highly inflated.
The Gunnir is usually being sold by a 3rd party retailer that will always mark the price up.
The BOM of the B580 isn't that high to begin with. The GPU core is relatively small(better yields and more can be cut from the wafer), the core doesn't need beefy VRM's to back it up, and a quantity of six GR6 2GB modules are not that expensive. Nvidia usually goes for a 60% margin with their cards. They paid through the nose for 4N wafers which is why they are priced the way they are.
If the b580 came more powerful, I'd swap from my 3070. 3070 undervolted and most games I'm at the same wattage as the b580. Intel did an amazing job on this card. No more nvidia for me in the future as they just charge too much for less.
As a budget gamer, I've been looking at a 3060 12GB used to replace my 1660 Super. Everybody is basically saying to avoid 8GB cards now. The B580 is 50K yen in Japan so far. Not great.
Intel needs to bring Pat Gelsinger back. Engineering over profit margins. Vertical Integration over marketing.
Can you test pie gen 3 vs gen 4
Please do a benchmark with lower end AM5 CPUs (i.e. 7500F, 7600)
Max FPS seems good but i noticed that the 5% lows aren't that good, is this something that can get patched or is this even noticeable in game?
This is decently impressive. I've toyed with everything and a mainstream card that will last like the RX580 did is great for the masses, the price on B580 is nice.
That is wonderful!
Hope Intel will recover and bring us more of this.
How is performance on a PCIe 3.0 System since it only uses 8 lanes of the 16x connector?
'Cheap' is a relative term here in the UK. Sure, the B580 cards initially launched at around £259 - £269 , but within seven days these prices had risen by £10-£15 for the same stock. This was all sold out by about by mid-December. New stock has now arrived, or is on the point of delivery to the online retailers, and the prices are: £284.99 to £299.99. Unless the manufacturers have hiked prices, there are no external factors to justify this; no sudden big rise in inflation, no rise in fuel costs, no new import taxes or duties. Just pure, unadulterated greed on the part of the retailers!
great vid as always. would it be possible to put relevant prices next to the GPU's? That extra bit of information would be extremely helpful.
Got a TH-cam advert in the middle of your advert. Quality platform 🤨
youtube has nothing to do with inside video ads, so
@arch1107 the TH-cam advert interrupted his advert...
@@Skobeloff... as i said, youtube decides where they put ads, and is not in hands of the youtuber where that happens, the youtubers edit the video and puts his own ad, but youtube doesnt decide that
that is my point
Nice to see that Intel are still trying to get into the market by offering these GPUs at a reasonable price. They still offer nothing to me as I have a RX 6800XT, but neither do Nvidia 5xxx (far too expensive to buy anything worthy of an upgrade) or AMD 9xxx (tiny bump to the fps and RayTracing which is still a gimmick in most cases). The most important parts of a GPU for me are bandwidth and 16GB+ of VRAM so the card doesn't chock on textures. If Intel provide that for their next gen then there may be something worth looking at.
Merry Christmas and hopeful New Year to all.
Better than bought 2nd hand GPU off eBay / Marketplace but experience problems running games 5+ old...
may be in blackmyth wu kong is not optimized yet?
Great card for gaming on a budget so nice to have more options.
A capable mini itx gpu?
Nice video. I paired the this in my HTPC Silverstone Sugo 16 Intel i5 12400 system for streaming and some gaming very good so far!
I bought the ASRock Challenger from newegg and put it into the old Corsair Air 540 case, which is a terrible case for Graphics cards. The highest temps I've seen is 68c on the Hot Spot. Sometimes with these mid-range and entry-level cards, its not worth paying more for the monster triple fan cooler, and this is one of those instances. Monster cards like the 4090 on the other hand.... yeah I'd pay a bit more for the Suprim or Strix version.
Rocking the 6700 XT atm and seeing the leaks for the 9000 series, the performance leap seems lackluster. I refused to buy Nvidia because I always remember the late Gordon Mah Ung saying the internet bitch and moan but still end up buying Nvidia which led to the current state of GPU market with Nvidia releasing overpriced GPU while AMD at half-raised white flag.
RIP Gordon