AFMF is on RX 6000 series NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AMD Fluid Motion Frames generates interpolated frames at the driver level in any DX11 or DX12 game. Previously the preview driver (this tech is not fully released) was available only for the RX 7000 series GPUs, but AMD has just provided support for their RX 6000 series GPUs. So far I've been trying to find a game where I feel like AFMF has been an overall improvement to my experience since it has a lot more drawbacks than a native FSR3 implementation. Comments on my videos have suggested trying out racing games and/or CPU limited games. So in this video we test out AFMF on the RX 6800 XT in the new Forza Motorsport on an older CPU (i5-9600K) which becomes CPU limited in this game before it can reach 120FPS. Let's see if the tech is working on the RX 6800 XT, and if so, is it improving my experience?
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Chapters:
0:00 AFMF vs FSR3 (They're not the same thing!!!)
2:23 Fund your GPU upgrade by selling your old one on Jawa!
3:54 AFMF Off Forza Motorsport Benchmark
4:59 How to enable and monitor AFMF
6:13 AFMF ON Forza Motorsport Benchmark
7:20 Side-by-Side AFMF On vs OFF 25% speed
10:05 Forza Gameplay AFMF Off (in-car view)
11:01 Forza Gameplay AFMF On (in-car view)
12:07 Forza Gameplay AFMF On (out of car view)
12:43 Forza Gameplay AFMF Off (out of car view)
13:55 Forza Gameplay AFMF On (out of car view)
14:45 Forza Gameplay AFMF Off (out of car view)
15:15 Forza Gameplay AFMF On (out of car view)
16:14 Some final thoughts with more gameplay - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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owen dont use 120hz over HDMI dude use Display port less latency and less artifacting and u need to use 165hz for better results across the board!
come back when u have these specs and do a new video with these specs
Hey check out RE4 remake..it worked great for me with my 7800x3d/rx 6950xt. I have an Asus Tuf 32" 1440p 170hz monitor and was setting it up for 240 frames with fluid motion applied worked great!
is ddu necessary? i instaled the drivers and i tried it in flight sim 2020 and its not working....
Its necessary
AMD’s killing it lately. My 6800XT has been great since I bought it last year and now it’s even better. Amazing
That card is a monster 💥
not rly no point in using this since u need to stand still lol stupid af
Can't wait to try it with my 6700XT
6950 xt user here!
6600 xt user here 😅😊
You were name-dropped in the Hardware Unboxed FSR3 video, keep up the good work
I just installed it a couple hours ago, this technology is absolutely incredible and it feels like magic. I was seriously considering upgrading to a 7800 XT from a 6750 XT (only a 40% performance increase according to TechPowerUp) just for the new RDNA 3 features but I'm shocked that AMD pretty much just gave it to us for free.
I am happy to hear it too, with this they definitely sending a message that if your card can support they will provide the features unlike Nvidia.
Sadly no antilag+ but I guess you can't get everything for free, glad they are trying to support older gens unlike Nvidia.
Its not that crazy tho
Still worth getting base performance upgrade depending on the games you play and resolution.
@@sudhakarnayak1210 Which rdna2 or 3 card did you buy?
It's incredible how much work you've put in since the release of FSR frame generation and fluid motion tech, much respect!
I can't imagine how much work goes into these videos. You are helping all of us gamers so much because you are the beta tester. You are saving us the hours in playing with settings and figuring out what's best. What's even better is that you are doing these updates with a variety of different cards/configs so we get a pretty close representation of our own systems.
Just want to say thank you.
SWEET! Thanks for this vid.... you've given me the guts to try it out myself! :D THANKS Mr. Owen!!
One of the games that I've found to work really well with AFMF is Mortal Kombat 11 with motion blur left on. It looks a lot smoother and because you don't move around the camera often, it doesn't drop the generated frames. It might be worth taking a look at other fighting games that are locked at 60fps too
hmm i'd be interested to try this with Streetfighter 6, but increased input lag is a big no no, at least in versus
So the game is engine locked at 60, but still works with fluid motion frames? That sounds awesome.
I wonder if it also works well with games like Fallout 4 and Dark Souls? They notoriously have problems when unlocking the frame rate.
@@WickedRibbonthink of emulators
@@WickedRibbon Yeah basically it works similar to converting 30fps videos to 60fps. It doesn't actually run faster but it looks like its at double the framerate with animations and all, moving the mouse quickly feels the same though.
And for those I don't know. For most third/1st person games it works best when the base framerates at above half the hz (so 72fps for 144hz). I don't own Dark Souls but I do have Fallout 4 so I'll have to try it out (and I'll let you know how it goes since you've got me curious too).
@@WickedRibbonSo I just tried to get it running with Fallout 4 and I'm giving up on it lol. Part of how the fluid frames runs is with fullscreen on but having fullscreen ingame in Fallout 4 unlocks the framerate. It goes to 60 when its in windowed borderless but the fluid motion frames doesn't work with that game display type on Fallout 4. Trying to tweak the ini files didn't lock the framerate either. Turning on radeon chill turns of fluid frames too. I think you might be able to get it working with a mod like ENB to set the framerate but I'm not sure. Sorry if it was disappointing but yeah.
On the flip side though most other Bethesda games run well with it. Using mods to fix the framerate on Skyrim and using a heavy enb with it runs pretty well. And for starfield it runs decently, though you'll want a decent base framerate to see the best results.
The 6800XT keeps winning
and rtx 3080 keep losing, this exactly what is going to happen to rtx 4080 when 5000 series get released remmber that. thats why AMD is really good place to spend your money on your graphic card will age better
6800 xt is the new 1080Ti
I water cooled my Sapphire Nitro+ SE 6800XT and I couldn't be happier with my choices.
6000 series bros are feasting
Best card of last gen especially for anyone that got one at MSRP before the chip shortage
Now AMD needs to add Anti-lag+ support to RDNA2 GPUs
Have it on my rx 6600
@@anthonyjames7173you got anti lag + on a 6600?
@@L1ght10 He probably doesn't know there's anti lag and anti lag+
@@emllik2155 hmm yea i guess
@@L1ght10 just realized there was a + in what you said
Just played GTA V at 1440p very high settings 4x MSAA and got 220 fps on a RX 6750XT with very little latency and micro stutter. It was mind blowing how well it worked. However, Plagues Tale Requiem was a bit of a mess with latency and micro stutter but thats with over double the fps. I improved it fiddling around but it feels more like the beta it is in that game. I am sure they will have it polished up nicely when the full version releases, no more hit or miss with different games. Its amazing how it works on every game. I had to go to each games tab individually inside Adrenaline to turn it on, the global graphics tab did not activate it. Great work Mr. Owen.
Thanks for the heads up on this. It works amazing for me with my 6700 XT and starfield. My frames went from i-40s, low 50s to high 80s, low 90s and still looks amazing
Hopefully it comes to the 6000 mobile users soon! I was so excited to see it released for 6000, only to read that it was for desktop cards only and my heart sank again 😂
We are in the same boat..!
Will come no problem it's AMD not Nvidia
What games are you playing on mobile??
@@dammaguy1286PC games that any other PC players would play? The 6800M in my laptop is on par with a 6700XT desktop (albeit slightly toned down)
@@dammaguy1286 bruhh mobile gpu he meant i.e Laptops not literal mobiles.
I hope FMF gets better when it fully releases.
We just need for it to don't stop when moving my mouse quickly lol
@@erickalvarez6486 if you have enough fps, like 120+ it gives you 240+ and doesnt stop when you move the mouse
@erickalvarez6486 yeah and some of the really bad Interpolation issues that come from not having motion vectors. From my testing some games look fine and others look horrendous. Also FMF doesn't feel very smooth or really even look very smooth. If I was sat in front of a game at 70fps with FMF off and 144fps using FMF 9/10 times I'd probably take the 70fps one. I think it's just because of the frame pacing.
Yup
I just updated my Adrenalin app but just see FMF listed anywhere
I am convinced to buy AMD GPU by next year hopefully. I am hurt by Nvidia with RTX 3060. With less money I could have gone for RX 6650 XT, only if I knew Nvidia will not support frame generation for 3000 series and AMD would come up with driver AFMF. They could have easily implemented some sort of Frame gereration besides DLLS 3 or 3.5.
Yea man, Nvidia don't care about 3000 series card owners anymore. Im seriously considering upgrading to an amd card.
im sure nvdia will come up with something similar later, they cant lose
i use bunch of AI tools otherwise AMD is the best option at the moment. lets see which new gimmick they adding for 5000 series
@@Jaem-ml4lx They started acting as apple.
@@kaimojepaslt Don't keep hope on something that does not respect their customers.
Congratulations to 6000 series owners your maker never forgotten about you
All that rtx 30 & 20 series have become is a nomadic series of cards not loved by our makers and constantly moving for better support offerings
Only hope we have is external upscaler like lossless or modders, if lossless could implement frame generation then maybe dlss in game could work together
Hey Daniel, found some !!!!!!! at the entrance. You‘re not missing some????????????
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@danielowentech Those "!!!!!!!!!!!" look garbled!
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New Driver update opened up HDR Support today (Oct 13th)
- globally allowed on ALL DX11/12 games and is now a per-game option
- Improved frame pacing
Did a test run in Yakuza 2 Kiwami with my 6800. Since it is a third person game, AFMF rarely turns off (only during heat actions from what I have tested). I got a boost from 55-60 to 120-130 and this is HUGE, because the game no longer dips below the refresh rate of my 60hz monitor AND in-combat fluidity is on another level. There are artifacts mainly in interface if you go up and down the menus really fast and sometimes you can see distant NPCs get a sort of trail behind them, but for me personally this is rarely if ever noticeable.
This is not (at least now) tech for every game, but in most genres where the camera does not move all over the place, it can provide a stunning boost if you hit at least 45fps without AFMF. It seems to go well with Motion Blur, since that masks the jittering objects. AFMF combined with upscaling of FSR is such a longevity boosting tool and I adore the fact that they did not lock it behind the 7000s series.
Curious, never considered AFMF with Yakuza games, and most importantly.. I never considered to use it with my 60Hz display 😲
Flight simulators. I use AFMF with a heavily modded Juno (Simplerockets). Due to the nature of the game it works well. That said, you can enable AMD enhanced sync with AFMF to prevent screen tearing.
Also, I used a capture card to record at 120fps. It seems that a lot of the judder comes from what looks like the GPU handling interpolated frames in blocks, with each block being inconsistent with its neighbour as to how far in motion must be calculated. This gives a weird blocky stutter that is not across the whole screen, but in certain areas of the scene. Hopefully AMD can work on improving that, as that alone makes a low fps game terrible to play with AFMF on.
Great Vid as always Daniel!
Thanks for jumping on the FSR 3/AFMF coverage and filling a content void.
As a 6900XT owner, I can only say: SHEEEESH, hell yea AMD, glad you didn't Nvidia'd me like they did with the 30 series.
Now we just need some mod which communicates all the motion vectors to AFMF
They didnt with FSR3 Frame gen, and neither with the AFMF, what a time to be a AMD user
Hell yeah feeling really good about my 6950xt purchase i was worried i should've waited for the 7000 series but I'm good with this
I doubt the motion vectors can be easily communicated by a mod, but I might be wrong, they wouldn't have had this issue if it was as easy as making a mod for it
As a 6900xt owner, im glad ill be able to hold onto this card much longer and i imagine this will age very well.
Same here. I told myself I will only buy a new GPU if it can give me double the performance natively with no additional features turned on.
I have always felt that going from 60 to 120fps (even with real frames) don't matter that much in racing games, as there is often high quality motion blur on the road surface close to the camera already blending motion between frames. But as a player you often look at the road ahead of you, and the pixel movement is so slow at that distance that 60fps is actually enough to perform really smooth motion already as it is. 120fps would only really help if you look out from your side window, where the scene is passing by at a much high rate. Although I am very curious about FMF, I will still wait for the official stable release. I'm getting the feeling that the technology won't work as well, because when I need motion smoothness is when turning the camera quickly, but since the technology is reducing frames/cutting off the technology it feels kind of counter intuitive. I can see a massive benefit for something like the Steam Deck if they manage to deliver perfect 30 > 60 fps vsync lock without much added latency. It would work great for games with less camera motion, Adventure games like 'Tunic', Fighting games like 'Gang Beasts', Even slower paced gamesPhantasy Star Online comes to mind for a retro nerd like me (which has forced 30fps). But yeah, on my main PC FMF will probably be disabled most of the time.
Hardware unboxed mentioned this channel this morning, so I'm here and to say good work. Have a great day everyone.
I love to see competition.
Persona 5 Royal is locked at 120 Hz, so I've used it to play at 165 Hz quite nicely as well. I think this could be a godsend for emulation especially allowing 120Hz without changing any of the game code which would require likely decoupling the logic and frame rate. Also, since it runs at 120 Hz already, and with more frames I think there is less of a difference with them, you can move the camera as fast as you like and it never turns off really
But doesn't this only work for dx11 or dx12, emulation uses opengl or vulkan right?, can you explain how this might work in emulation really excited if it works
But doesn't this only work for dx11 or dx12, emulation uses opengl or vulkan right?, can you explain how this might work in emulation really excited if it works
This is insane I'm getting 90fps ray tracing medium on Cyberpunk with my 6800xt
I haven't had any frame drops as I pan the screen at all I am super happy with this
I gotta hurry up and get my house painted so i can try this out. Im pretty excited
im gonna wait for the full release before I check it out, but I am very interested in checking this out as I have 6800xt myself.
Hey Daniel, amazing work as always! As an AMD GPU owner I really appretiate all the work you put in the FSR3 and AFMF videos. I did not have the time to test this myself on my 6800XT, but if the FMF does not work with V-Sync, how about trying to cap the framerate with Riva Tuner Staristics Server. Maybe it will eliminate the judder.
been playing around with shadow of the tomb raider, it seems that yes you can lock the fps with riva tuner and eliminate tearing as long as you can maintain stable 60 to start with, locked 120fps on my 60hz tv looks great
@@ShiftyMoses Maybe I'm not doing something right, but I tried to lock it with RTSS when AFMF is on and it does not work. How do you do it?
so i set afmf on, set vsync off in game, used rtss to cap the game frames to 60, as long as i maintain 60fps in tomb raider the doubled frames from afmf wont tear my 60hz screen, i think its because 120 is exactly double 60
@@ShiftyMoses So you caп your native framerate so the AFMF can double it and actually be stable. That is very clever! How did I not think of it. 😀
I think If you adjust the base frame rate to a range of 40-50 (increasing the resolution, adding RT or reducing the GPU) it would be a very interesting test to see the application of this technology in a scenario at the limit of its applicability.
Great video.
Nice my RX 6650 XT love this
Honestly, I expected in-driver FSR3 (aka AFMF) to release for RX 6000 series around january~february '24, after they finish tuning and debugging it, and also reap the dough of it being temporarily exclusive to the 7000 series.
This has its ups and downs. On the positive side, even the owners of some older cards get to try the new tech as it matures and develops. On the negative, it's still obviously in process of development and maturation, basically "open beta", as evident from multiple limitations of the technology, e.g. in frame pacing with VSync "off", and how when rapid mouse movements are detected it stops generating frames for a brief moment.
It is only available with pre-release drivers so it's definitely an open beta as you say more than a full release.
I also expect that the full release will be Q1 24 and hopefully they'll have time to iron out the bugs. I really hope to see how it could be applied to games with an in-engine frame rate cap which is rare but not extinct nowadays.
I highly doubt we'll see the "turning off on fast movement" to disappear though. It would fundamentally break without access motion vectors and the rendering pipeline
Consoles use gamepads, no fast movments😅
It isn't released for *any* gpu yet, 7000 series or otherwise, these videos are from the preview/beta driver. You can download these drivers, but they are beta tests all the same.
AFMF is not FSR3
Played cp2077 at 1440p with round 70 base fps and it works great with AFMF on rx6800. This wont make unplayable game playable but it will make playable game runing more smooth..Better base frames are better it works, less imperfection, less drops with fast moves etc.. When it becomes standard feature i will just turn it on and forget about it...
you can record the Radeon overlay, in the amd software, go to performance->settings->enable metrics overlay ON--> show in video/stream output
Tried it out today on my 6800xt, it has its use cases as of now. Needs a good bit of work imo but still really cool.
Would have kept messing around with it but there’s some weird bugs with the driver causing whole pc to freeze for a second or two when using my fire fox browser (especially watching TH-cam) hopefully they fix this down the road so more people can enjoy trying these preview drivers out.
Went back to 23.9.1 because of this
Installed it yesterday and WOW! it's amazing, I have the 6950XT and it amazing.
How do I download it
Found it nvm
On 6950XT it's work amazing!
@@heroicsquirrel3195how?
With emulators like Dolphin that supports Fullscreen exclusive and Dx11/Dx12, in games like Wind Waker and Metroid Prime it works like a charm at 120fps.
im trying at the moment to apply it for mkwii but the fps counter from the amd overlay saying 60fps... the driver don't say active. how you did this?
@@BrawlStars-sr6kj You have to used Dx11/Dx12 renderer. Deactivate Vsync and use Fullscreen (Not windowed fullscreen). If it doesn't work, try restarting the computer, as the drivers crash quite frequently.
i did everything except restarting the pc. I'll try it😁
@@BrawlStars-sr6kj It tells you the reason why it is inactive when you activate it. Hover with your mouse over the yellow icon and it will tell you
@@praisetheoak i indicator didn't show up when using dolphin but in every other game it showed.
UPDATE: I ALMOST CRIED😭🙏🏻🥹 IT'S WORKING FOR REAL (pc restart was the solution). THXXX
edit: a other solution is to add a new profile in the adrenalin launcher and then start the game via the launcher
This feature will be awesome (when properly working) for smooth experience on story games with RT ON!
Was playing need for speed heat on my 6800xt at 3440x1440 maxed out with fluid motion frames it felt good and looked good. So far I'm really happy with it.
LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I tried this at 4k it was crazy jittery and felt sluggish, when I tried it on my 1440p Ultrawide it wasn't jittery at all and it was smooth and AFMF actually felt more responsive, I really think it needs very specific conditions to actually work correctly. I also have Boost, Enhanced Sync, adaptive sync and Virtual Super resolution enabled. Also when I tried it with Gotham knights I was getting nearly 400FPS at 1440p Ultrawide, lol ..oh and seems to work fine with Assassins Creed Mirage also, im uploading that video now.
As someone with a 3080 and a 9400f (got thw 3080 later) this might help make cpu limited games look smoother at no real compromise. Surprisingly its been "good enough" for 1440p most of the time, although with tlou part 1 i was dipping under 60 fps with 70% gpu utilization (still a great experience tho)
I'll have to download this when i get home from work I have the Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 6800 XT and I absolutely love this card so this new update will be very beneficial
It's amazing to me that a driver based frame gen tech which is still in preview drivers has FAR less artefacts than what DLSS3 had at launch. UI elements seem mostly decent if you are over 60/70 fps base. DLSS had some major issues with ui, but has definitely improved over time.
Even the latency increase seems quite reasonable for a driver based solution. Good job AMD.
I have an r5 1600 and rx6600, in cyberpunk and starfield this technology works quite well, smoothing out drops in FPS, and if it is implemented in the games themselves, it will give a second wind to my processor! Yes, the input lag is felt, but I play on a gamepad, quite playable, the only visual artifacts I have noticed so far are the flickering of the sight.
is it good in first person games? I heard that if you move your mouse quickly everything falls apart because the successive frames are to different to each other and fmf turns itself off for the duration.. I' playing with the thought of buying a 6600 but the games i play are mostly first person.
@@telefonbarmann4514 with controller its totaly fine
i upgraded a few weeks ago to a 7900xtx and with the beef this card has it does do this tech justice on the forspoken demo at 4k every maxed out i'm getting over 300fps and a bit of shimmer on the characters hair when whipping the camera about (but testing the sharpness setting affects that) ...without fsr and afmf i get 80fps .. and starfield is over 140fps to 160fps again maxed out at 4k ... there's a lot to like about this and keen to see it working with hdr mode at normal speed rather than slowed down zoomed in i can't see any real problems
Whoa I didn't expect their team to be dwarfpilled with adding DRG to the list, rock and stone!
Love the analysis here. It's tough to quantify. I can tell you that if I play a game that is over 70 fps on my 7900XT and I enable FMF... I am not percieving anything glitchy. Funny enough I enable it and feel like, Ok maybe a little smoother to the eye sure. Still responsive ok.... But then play for 30 minutes and turn it off and immediately ... ya this is no longer as smooth. For me that is the case in CONTROL. A game I normally see 80 ish fps at 1440P maxed out. Acceptable feeling game and looks great. Flip on FMF and it just SEEMS smoother. No artifacts that my eyes pick up and almost never tearing in horizontal lines although occasionally I get a quick glimps of a small one. This is likely because my screen is at 165 Hz and with FMF I am in the 150's to 160's in framerate. In games like Forza 5 where am I already near my monitor refresh at all time's and freesync is doing it's thing? I don't bother. Now I am wishing I had a 240 Hz screen LOL. If they improve this at all.... it will be a game changer.
Well further testing reveals to me that FMF in it's current state works better in some games than others. I do not like it in Witcher III. Too much screen tearing.
Tried it with Cyberpunk 2077 on my RX 6800 XT. The major downside was having to turn off HDR...if I could enable HDR, I would use it. I played for a bit in SDR and I thought it was pretty solid but only when the base frame-rate isn't atrocious. At 4K FSR 2.1 Performance and High/Ultra Settings, I was reaching 150+ FPS with AFMF. Too bad I can't stand SDR especially in a game with as many lights as Cyberpunk.
I agree, right now it's a dealbreaker if hdr doesn't work. At least for us that play with hdr capable TV
@@tukkeuma8958 Yeah, personally I have use an LG OLED 42" as my PC monitor. Those with the QD-OLED gaming monitors will feel the same way I think. HDR and OLED go hand-in-hand!
Works perfectly. Thx amd now i can have ray tracing with just a 6700xt
Yeah, I agree.
Some spacing would've helped.
I feel so many are missing where AFMF shines.
Its not in fast paced, often 1st person focused games. Using any interpolation here is a compromise at best. Where AFMF shines are strategy games that often are seriously CPU limited and far less latency or render artefact sensitive. In those games, AFMF offers a solution to a problem that has existed for many years. You can easily go back ten years and still find older DX11 strategy games that benefit from AFMF.
AMD themselves said they recommend a 70fps baseline before enabling. If you are already getting that framerate, you are good anyway. It's not like anyone cares that much about playing RTS games at 144fps.
@@jorge69696 I am afraid you miss my point.
I am talking about games where getting a steady 60fps is not happening, no matter what hardware you have. For example ANNO 1800 where you can forget keeping your frame rate at 60fps when you build a large city. With AFMF you can do it and because its a slower paced game, it doesn't matter in terms of input latency. A lot of strategy and building games are like that.
@@DanielWW2 Yes, I can confirm. I have a medium sized city in Cities Skylines and I'm getting 40fps on a 7900x and 5700xt which is obnoxious. I'm curious if AFMF ever comes to rdna1 how it will fsre.
Is there hyper rx support for the 6000 series too?
I'm not using that until vrr/freesync and HDR works with it. Even though it doesn't look bad at all
YES
Damn the 6800xt went super saiyan
So i tried AFMF on Elden ring (60 fps capped game). You can definitely tell you get more fps, but VRR isn't working, producing tearing. Great beta test! Cant wait for the official release!
I had tested Fluid Motion Frame on my Ryzen 5 5600X + RX 6600 XT, works fine without any problems. Tested games Cyberpunk 2077, Starfield, ETS 2, PUBG (DX 11 Enhanced), CS 2 (not working). Yes the FMF still needs to improve.
Yeah it's still not good enough to even consider turning on
Ya it’s not good right now, right now being the keyword but once they integrate in the game engine it will be superb
To be honest you really don't need it for CS2. 😂
@@tadsnyder2756 I just hope they release fsr 3 for cp 2077 soon
@@GoonyMclinux I don't have other games to test 🥲
this is a killer deal to have on games that dont require you to have rapid respones. something like xcom 2 or cities skylines 2 soon will be great to have it on
It’s all about input responsiveness after 60fps for sensor type input like phone touch screen and mouse where you feel the most difference.
Yes there is a visual smoothness difference but you don’t need 120fps using a controller as it’s only vector input.
Feels nice on my RX 6800 (non-xt) with Starfeild at 1080p ultra, but hopefully this game will be one of the first to get FSR-3 and hopefully more game engine level optimization as apposed to "optimization" via FSR-3
It works on Starfield! no artifacts. A little bit strange when FPS is around 50-60, but much better than play without. 6700 XT
I am so excited
1440p ? 👀
After i tried Fluid Motion Frames on my 6950 xt, I dont think that it's a big deal right now. Theres still alot space for improvements
But hey it slightly boost the smoothness of most games i've tried 👍
Another update from 13. oct.2023 : HDR is supported now in the AFMF Driver , i can add Target FPS ( lets say 144 ) to save Energy and to be ein the optimal Monitor Range
yeah it's true in numbers ... but when u move the mouse like u said on 7000 series video it disables itself and boost won't solve it ... sooo they must solve it ... I am happy they released this, none the less, it need to work like nvidia framegen ... all the time ... else it's gonna fell like unfinished job, u know it won't work in pratice, being good only for demonstration ...
Great content u do for us Daniel... keep up ur awesome job.
Impressed with AMD's overall frame generation tech both in FSR3 and drivers. Now FSR and FG need to decouple and AMD's FG should available with dlss2
Nvidia DLSS is propriety tech exclusive to Nvidia RTX gpus. As such Nvidia won't allow it. The best we can hope for is AMD supporting Antilag+ on older Radeon gpus such as the RX 6000 series.
@@jotunheim5302Its not NVIDIA that coupled FSR upscaling to frame gen. That is all AMD. You can enable DLSS FG with FSR if you want, but cannot enable FSR FG with DLSS
They should improve the image quality of the FSR upscaler, then there is no need for DLSS
@@rob4222 Till they do that, NVIDIA users would love the choice to use it with DLSS
nvidia can't use FMF amd can't use dlss, you just gotta use fsr3
Este tipo de juegos corren bien con AMD. Creo mejor probar con una RX 6600 que iba a sufrir más para darte buenos FPS y ver si el salto era notorio y justificable.
O bien usar la RX 6800XT con un juego más demandante.
Buen video como siempre crítico constructivo en las pruebas!!
Saludos
I would personally never want to use this, but happy for those that are finding a use
I love how "garbled" has become the new standard way of expressing the frame gen artifacts.
haha. To be honest it works well to describe it.
Can you try out a 7000 series GPU on Forza Motorsport aswell and also share your thoughts comparing 6000 series AFMF with 7000 series AFMF? I tried this AFMF on my 6600XT at various games like Forza Motorsport and Baldurs Gate 3. I had similar thoughts like this video. Framerate number goes up but smoothness and better experience is doubtful. I thought maybe AFMF doesn't work aswell at 6000 series GPU's and that's why they released it late and might improve later on since its a preview?
I already did some videos using RX 7000 series GPUs, although in other games. I've played more off-camera as well. In general the only advantage to the 7000 series that I noticed is Anti-Lag + support (in certain supported games) to help cut down on the latency increase. Other than that the image quality and frame pacing seems to have similar issues. I wouldn't expect miracles from the final release, but if they improved frame pacing a bit, maybe better freesync and vsync support, and added HDR support it would be better than it is now.
Tried it in RDR2 and it didn't feel that great, I normally play on Vulkan and average around 95 fps so switching to DX12 left me with a base frame rate of 85 which felt alright on its own. When I turned FMF on although the FPS went up it didn't feel as smooth as with it off. This was even while moving around a bit slowly to prevent it from turning off (which helped but is pretty pointless). Vsync was off and FreeSync was enabled but it felt like I was playing on 60~ FPS when moving around. One good thing was that the latency was hardly noticeable because of the base frame rate being high to start off with but the overall experience was underwhelming. Hopefully they provide an option to prevent it from turning off when moving around because at a high base frame rate I don't think the generated frames should be that bad.
Same, it just feels detrimental to turn it on, no matter the base frame rate.
To me the biggest turn off is that HDR can’t be turn on simultaneously. Really kills the immersion in some games
I'd really like to see you trying with a high refresh display, amd's fg tech seems to not like your 120hz over hdmi setup
Where I'd like to see these technologies eventually demonstrated is on stuff like the Steam Deck / Rog Ally. The technology seems like it works better when the existing framerate is already higher, and that seems almost pointless. Competitive games tend to already have absurdly high framerates, mostly to keep input lag as minimal as possible. If you're going from 180 -> 240, but you're adding 20ms+ latency to do it, it seems like it's almost a wash.
This tech seems like the best use cases would be lower end hardware, where it's getting an inconsistent 30-40 fps, and this would get you consistently above 60 for a little extra input latency... or cases like Cyberpunk, where even a higher end rig would struggle with stuff like path tracing, so this pushes it over the line.
I feel that most people fail to notice that frame generation is often worse option than simply lowering graphical settings. Worse appearance, and lower responsiveness.
Besides particular use cases (some extreme RT), the main use would be a driver level implementation for those games that are engine locked to specific framerate and CPU bottleneck scenarios
AMD seems to be such a good choice for gaming at the moment. I just bought the 7700 XT and im having a blast with it. What an upgrade over my 1660 TI
Did the 7800XT cost a lot more or something? Can't see other reasons for buying 7700XT.
@@Simon_Denmark Here in Europe 7700 XT is 490-540.The RX 7800 XT starts from 575 and can even be 620 for high end model.
I was luck for a few days there was an offer and I bought a Sapphire Pulse 7700 XT for 466
@@Simon_DenmarkBudgeting. I know that's how I ended up with an RTX 3050 laptop, would've definitely grabbed a 3060 or at least 3050 Ti if they weren't outside my budget.
@@HunterTracksgood thing you avoided the bullet with not purchasing nvidia
@@roklaca3138Are you kidding me? RTX 3050 laptop is a 4 GB VRAM card, it's a small miracle for me every time I manage to get it to run a new AAA game. I honestly got what I paid for, I guess, but I would've gladly opted for something like 6600M if that was an option in my region.
I am using AFMF on all games. And it is great. BF1, BF5, BF 2042, Jedi ...spec. 7900XT,4k 144Mhz
I found that it works great in games that have no refresh rate/fps limit and you are limited by the game engine. Like Holocure. the 120frames with afmf feels so smooth that now I can't play it without. Even though the rock solid 60 are ok and smooth...now that I had a try at afmf I can't go back and playing it on steamdeck with 60fps feels choppy.
If I can get over 60 fps I'm not enabling any sort of upscaling or fake frames.
I was absolutely gutted when I tried to install the preview driver on my 6800m laptop and it didnt work. The sad part is the 6800m has basically the same performance as the 6700xt and significantly better performance than the 6600xt
I'm really worried that they're never going to bring it to the laptops because not many people own amd laptops so there won't be an apparent demand.
AMD has a pretty large audience using integrated graphics, so I think they'll probably want to adapt the tech for it, and it would be quite ridiculous for them to not allow it for laptop dGPUs with that in mind. At the end of the day, it's all RDNA2, so I doubt it will be difficult to enable.
Switchable graphics and no multiplexer could mean it may never happen
Ready to try this on Fallout 4
I'm still on a 60Hz monitor so this is moot for me, but, it's there. So that's cool. Even if I weren't I'm not sure where I'd use this, though with that said, having the option is better than not having the option. 👍👍
The big thing this is really useful for? Games with a 60fps cap. So Elden Ring, Dark Souls, Sekiro - they're obvious candidates for AFMF, they're much better played with a controller and the increase to judder and lag isn't as noticable because of the slower, heavier more considered gameplay. Another example comes to mind - Wolfenstein, The New Order and The Old Blood. Both those games have a hard cap of 60, both are DX11, both are classics held back by technical issues. But instead of running idTech 5 tweaker to fix the 60fps cap and fiddling with fan patches, you could just flip the AFMF switch and jump to 120fps. Pretty cool, right? Can't wait till thos gets rolled out officially :)
I have 6800xt i bought it 4 or 3 years ago and its bussin , i couldnt imagine i would run rdr2 1440p max settings on 180 frames
Lets gooooooo, my rx 6600 bouta shine even moreee
holy, that's a nice detail lol
Daniel it would be really cool if you try some locked 60 FPS titles (Souls type games) where both the gameplay and locked frames could really benefit from AFMF!
think it's more a case of if you have a higher then 60 hz monitor this will help a lot if your cpu/gpu cant keep up.
the biggest issue seems to be gsync/freesync and well sync in general, aka pacing. if they get it right...well you really do be downloading free frames.
I tried it and I think it looks decent on games with locked FPS. Playing casual fighting games smooths out the motion and the input lag isnt very noticeable
One thing I noticed in the Forza test was the ghosting, it was way way worse... you can easily see it in the comparison you made side to side, especially on the poles to the side of the track at 8:50
I tested it on slow paced games such as ETS2 (main gain would be less power comsuption for the same fps) and it didn't really have any artifact, I wasn't able to cap the FPS (if anyone can tell me how to do so, please I'd really need it) but with only around 20W more while going from capped 144 fps to 160fps (on rtss, amd overlays shows N/A on the fps, so it's actually 320 fps).
I think it needs some work, but after all it's still a preview driver, so this gives me quite some hope!
I've only tried it in cyberpunk on my rx 6600xt and it felt less smoother than without it until i disabeld the overlay it was really smooth. I think it has to do with the microstuttering being 100% all the time with overlay on
Thanks a lot AMD
THIS IS THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR
so i have something to ask in some games like fighting games you actions or moves is like per frames for example right punch is like 5 frames for example that's why it's locked at 60 frames even if u have best pc
so does this affect these type of games like does it affect the game engine or it only affect your screen
cuz i heard you can go above fps caps with this
and what about amd reflex or anti lag (sorry not good with names) does it help with the latency at all
and if it actually reflect the game engine for game i play called Black desert online where u want to hit 144 and for some specs(classes) u wanna hit 300+ fps it's a really a game changer
I got a 7800XT recently so I downloaded the forspoken demo to see how the FSR frames looked and felt. I don’t think 60fps is anywhere near a high enough starting point, it still looks as choppy as 60fps but with potential artifacts and extra latency. To be honest, going from 100 to 144 still looked more like 100, but 100 is just so acceptable already that it was harder to notice.
I would be happy with some artifacts in order for that v sync smoothness, if latency was also tolerable, but even if the visual quality was 1:1 with real frames I currently wouldn’t bother.
Did you configure it properly? It currently works best with Vsync on and a outside the game FPS cap in Forspoken.
Enable Vsync on the AMD panel (not in game), turn on FSR Quality+FG and cap the avg framerate you see on RTSS (for example if you're getting 120 cap it in RTSS at 110 to compensate those frame drops) believe me you will then feel and see the difference. Capping your avg framerate in RTSS will bring the 1% lows up to par with your real time FPS and make it feel even smoother. I had the same issue as you in the beginning before I figured it out. Vsync alone needs to be used with FSR FG cause FSR FG disables VRR which is why it feels choppy. So do that till it gets fixed.
As long as your 1% or 0.1% lows do not get any better with that technology it is hard to improve smothness with driver based generated frames by increasing latency at the same time. I tested a few games (like Cyberpunk, Starfield, Satisfactory, Witcher 3...) with AFMF and the only noticeable positive experience so far was in Medieval Dynasty where it definitely feels smoother when you go from 90 to 165 fps (monitor cap). So I guess it can be positive and hopefully AMD manage to achieve that at least for games where respnsiveness isn't that important it might be an upgrade.
Good job AmD,just cap fps at 100-120fps with Riva Tuner
imma trying this on warhammer 3