AMD embarrasses Nvidia's midrange- 4060 Ti 16GB vs RX 7800 XT in 2024: The Ultimate Comparison!!!
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- In 2024 the pricing of the 4060 Ti 16GB has dropped to $450 and the RX 7800 XT has dropped to $480. This makes them the closest price competitors for AMD vs Nvidia at the price class. So if you are shopping for a GPU in the mid $400 range, which should you buy? Is the 7800 XT worth the extra $30? What about ray tracing? What about DLSS? Let's find out!
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Chapters:
0:00 Why compare the 4060 Ti 16GB with the 7800 XT? Current prices
2:06 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High
2:24 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q
2:51 DLSS Quality vs Native- AMD still wins?
4:17 DLSS 3 vs FSR 3 FG Quality upscale 1440p Very High
4:46 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Very High
5:11 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High
5:38 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q
6:05 DLSS Quality vs Native 1440p again, AMD wins
6:33 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p Very High
7:00 (UE5) Hellblade 2 1440p High
7:28 (UE5) Hellblade 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q
7:56 DLSS Quality vs Native 1440p in Hellblade 2
8:25 (UE5) Hellblade 2 1440p Medium
8:49 (UE5) Hellblade 2 1440p Medium DLSS/FSR Q
9:16 (UE5) Hellblade 2 1080p High
9:44 (UE5) Hellblade 2 1080p Medium
10:10 Avatar 1440p Ultra (Includes RT)
10:42 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT)
11:05 Avatar 1440p High (Includes RT)
11:31 Avatar 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT)
11:59 Avatar 1080p Ultra (Includes RT)
12:23 Avatar 1080p High (Includes RT)
12:50 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR P
13:18 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/RT Reflections DLSS/FSR Q
13:44 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra
14:11 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR Q
14:40 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT Reflections
15:06 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra
15:33 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS/FSR B
16:00 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
16:28 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q
16:55 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS/FSR Q
17:22 Alan Wake 2 1080p High
17:49 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max (Includes RT)
18:17 Resident Evil 4 1440p Prioritize Graphics
18:44 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max (Includes RT)
19:11 Resident Evil 4 1080p Prioritize Graphics
19:38 Starfield 1440p Ultra
20:05 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
20:33 Starfield 1080p Ultra
21:00 Call of Duty MW3 1440p Basic
21:27 Call of Duty MW3 1080p Basic
21:56 Final Thoughts - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
There's nothing midrange about the 4060ti, except for its god awful price.
It's more like an entry-mid level graphics card
Which is what's being matched here. Two cards in the same (medium) price range.
@@angeldust1732 - I'd say it's more like a "no entry" level graphics card. Why would _anyone_ buy it at that price?
@@RFC3514 Because for some people, for reasons, AMD or Intel aren't true options at all.
So in their mind they have no choice but accept what Nvidia gives them for whatever price.
@@RFC3514 i mean it can game just the price is fkd up,not like it perform like a 730 or 1030 of it's era,it's a real x60 card that can game at 1080p just overpriced
4060ti 16GB is worth no more than $350, and even that is pushing it.
4060 should be $250, ti $300, ti 16gb for $350. They're all shit at machine learning you really need at least a 4070/3080 for that at the very least so nvidia can't even use that as an excuse.
@@steaksoldier should be 200. the 4060 is a 4050.-
No, the 6700XT equals it and that card can be had for as little as $299. Maybe some would spend the extra $50 for the 4050Ti features but FSR 3.1 and independent frame gen really closes that gap. Its a very impressive improvement and the driver based FG works on near every DX11-12 game
I bought a used 6700xt for $200, I sell computers so end up getting deals on old hardware for myself. I also slap nvidia cards in said PC's all the time and the 4060 any model is an expensive garbage can but guys always think a green card is always better than the red ones. @@bodasactra
it's around 460$ here in Sweden 🤢
In my country, the 4060ti 16g is $25 more expensive than the 7800XT lol
The more you buy the more you save.
😂
At that kind of price discrepancy Nvidia doesn't have a single argument other than "Your frineds are probably going to think less of you if you don't buy Nvidia... you know that right? You'll not get invited to parties and such. Could hurt your social life forever. But we guess that's your choice".
@@andersjjensen Exactly, Nvidia has been depending on brand name for a while now. And also the people who scare new builders into thinking AMD's drivers are the stuff of nightmares and will crash in every game.
I bought a 7800 XT this week. Tons of performance. Very happy.
Ngreedia fked me hard, it was hot summer 2022 when I decided to buy 3070ti for 2k resolution, payed 1k $ for that. By the winter same year i already was feeling a little 8gb peepee close to my mouth. By the summer 2023 i already felt miserable because in number of titles I was forced to use medium textures. So, january this year I sold 3070ti and got an 6900xt, cost of that trade was 150$. That is literally the best upgrade in my entire 36 years of life. AMD ❤
I know your pain , my wife bough a 3070 for £750 and I bought a 3080 for £900, we both play at 1440p and we both run into trouble with memory, now we both run 7900XTX fuck nVidia
This is how I felt with my 3070, it seemed to age very quickly due to the VRAM so I have just changed to a 7900 gre, I chose frames and VRAM over DLSS and raytracing (waaaay too expensive on mid to lower cards at this moment in time) but also having been on nvidia for a few gens now the other thing I notice about AMD is how good the software suite is now. Very happy with the switch again.
This is why I bought a used 2080 Ti for that exact reason. I knew the 3070 was gonna age like milk. hell i might even think about modding my 2080ti to 22gb
@@adi6293 I run an XTX at 1440p Native as well. Only "Nvidia spoiled titles" need manual tuning of the RT settings to run well. Everything else is just highest settings and then often a frame-cap to not blow past my monitors refresh rate.
@@andersjjensen Yeah the 7900XTX is a beast, I have it paired with a 7800X3D and a 240Hz G7 and it just rips :P
4060 Ti 16GB can't even beat RX 6750 XT at times
Yep... I bought a Rx 6750xt just because I didn't want to spend literally 100 more dollars just for more vram and dlss with rtx
6750 is a beast
Don't forget guys that 7900 GRE exists, in my country it is cheaper then 7800 XT and it is faster.
plus, it gains a ton of performance when OC'ed putting it super close to the 7900XT
@@MaxIronsThirdbesides less vram, yes
Imagine spending $450 for a card with a piddling 128-bit memory bus 😂 oof that's gotta hurt
It looks like they didn’t even like there 60 series just wanna sell the 70 an up
In gaming thankfully this 128 bit wide bus doesn't hinder the card that much. Though there will be workloads where it does matter big time.
Guess what it costs in Sweden 😂
1050 ti has a 128-bit memory bus and it’s from 2016
You can get a 192 bit bus 6700XT 12GB for $150 less with the same performance or $230 lees if you go used. Its a near 4 year old GPU with thousands available on the used market. I got one mint last year for $250, a Sapphire Nitro+ no less.
Nvidia fanboys be like "I'm gonna buy an Nvidia card and upscale and fail to reach AMDs native performance"
Congratulations, you played yourself
you forgot "better driver stability" and "muh raytracing"
im so sick of them
@@novinovic298of course ray tracing performance on nvidia gpus is better, but even if i had a 4090 i wouldn't use it, it reduces fps WAY too much
That won't happen, Nvidia fans play games. That's why we buy Nvidia, because it just works. We don't argue in a desperate attempt to validate our purchase.
@@alix5atasi AMD is coming close or is equal in performance in games that use just basic RT while Nvidia cards only pull ahead in games that use alot of RT features and there is very few games that do that. With the upcoming software near equivalent RT features in new UE5 builds even less games will focus on heavy hardware RT. I can understand people who are buying 4080 and 4090 but the ones who are buying cards below that class from Nvidia are idiots.
@@GregoryCunningham Ironically, your reply reeks of being salty.
This man needs a glass of water!
lol haha thanks2, hope everything better soon
"Somebody please ..Get this man a -gun- _glass of water_ "
@@TheFalseShepphard 0w0
Every video
I bought the 4070 Super but I'd never buy the 4060 Ti. I'd prefer the 7800 XT instead.
4070 super is probably the best 40 series card to buy imo
@@lecctronyes, you dont need anything higher than the 4070 super
weird thing is the 4060ti 8gb and 16gb models both perform closer to an aging 6750xt but nvidia charges almost as much aa the 7800xt. if the 16gb 4060ti wsa $350 and the 8gb $300, it would be appropriate
No mate the WIERD thing is that Nvidia will sell 600-700% more sku's of the 4060Ti than AMD sell the 7800XT.
THATS whats fricken WIERD! :D
@@TheVanillatech amen
@@TheVanillatech Because DLSS/DLDSR, RT performance and most AI tools are made for Nvidia and require some workarounds and compromises for AMD. Stop acting like the reason we're in this position isn't because AMD blew it years ago and is still playing catch up. People don't have money for the good Nvidia cards so they buy these shitty ones, I get it. If you want a 16Gb Nvidia card the next one is almost double the price of the 4060 Ti 16Gb. You're paying Jensen's VRAM extortion prices because there's simply no other legitimate option. AMD should get their act together. That max RT performance in Cyberpunk is SHAMEFUL.
@@albert2006xpProblem is 90% of people will never use any of the Nvidia feature anyway
@@GewelReal That's just not the case. Even your average dumb user will use DLSS or turn on path tracing or something in games that have it. 58% of players are using 1080p. FSR on 1080p looks terrible. Even 3.1 is still shimmery as hell. Sure most are too stupid to turn on DLDSR and get a good quality image at 1080p, but they'll turn on DLAA for most of the benefit. Most players aren't buying 16Gb 4060 Tis either. They go for 3060 12Gbs or the much worse 4060s or just go for the 4070s. 4060 Ti is actually the lowest lower end card from the generation in the steam hardware survey. People don't want to not have the option to have access to a feature and that's what AMD is selling. No unique features but hey look we're pumping all these watts into rasterisation!
480 for the 7800xt is insanely good. Hard to pass up for whoever is in mid range and I'm an nvidia guy saying this lol.
I got Asrock Phatom Gaming 7800 XT it's insanely good experience probably one of my best gpu purchases ,and in my opinion it's even good enought for ray tracing. (But i think we need 2-3 more generation for proper ray tracing experience)
Look at the power consumption.
@@Bnd002p IM STROKING MY SHIT CRAZY STYLE
@@Bnd002p I'm not care about power consumption. At least in this scale (My limit is 300W or near that)
true2, hope everyone can watch soon
I've had a 7800xt since around the launch of the product, the GIGABYTE version. Upgraded from a GIGABYTE 3060ti. The 7800xt paired with a 5800x3D is an absolute 1440p monster.
These AMD fans are so sad. nVidia = GOAT
@@KyleCox404 Sure on the super high end Nvidia has been boss. All depends on what you want out of your build. I'm completely happy building a 1440p rig that can handle 144+fps depending on the game on around a 1500$ budget or less.
Have 7800XT Gigabyte OC, been solid I would use it a lot when I didn't need the 7900XTX to be giving off heat. Had 3060 12gb last gen, 1060, 1070 before that. 7800XT does beat the 3060 12gb. Have the 4090 but everyday tasks I find myself on the 7800XT doing 1440P. 7800XT really matches my TG Delta RGB ram also so it's nice aesthetically.
@@KyleCox404 I'm a fan of any company which doesn't have the Nvidia tax.
@@KyleCox404nah that’s a solid combo and NVIDIA really can’t compete when it comes to midrange cards
Coming from someone either a 4070 to super 5800x3d combo
The clear winner here is 6800XT.
Great video and I loved your breakdowns - especially 7800 XT native vs 4060 Ti 16GB DLSS early on. One minor note is that for one of the Horizon benchmarks your summary in the lower left flipped the FPS lows but kept the percentages with the correct cards, so it looks a little confusing at the moment.
You were clear about it in your commentary, though, and the FPS lows at the top made it clear what you meant, so I doubt anyone was confused.
Calling a 4060ti midrange is wild to me
its low end now,8GB in 2024 is actually shocking that's why I went for 6750 XT and I'm glad I did
@@KamilWyszynski1924 He is comparing the 16GB version and this one is faster than the 8GB one.
Is $450 not midrange? I'd say $350 to $600 is roughly midrange personally.
How expensive does a card have to be to transition from budget to mid-range? I would consider my 7900 XT very high end at $700.
Price wise it should be mid-range, but it's literally the lowest end card in the product stack. It's indeed tough to call it that way.
I'd say the 7800XT is a proper mid-range card performance wise and that's exactly in line with the conclusion of this video. Nvidia low end is matching up against AMD mid range here.
A 4060ti 16gb is about on par with a 2080ti and costs $450. A used 2080ti is under $300 and even can use DLSS, not to mention it has like triple the memory bandwidth. Nvidia can’t even compete with its own cards.
Makes me feel good about getting a used 2080 ti after the whole crypto thing blew over. Technically Wanted a 3070 but I reconsidered because I knew the 3070 would age poorly due to its limited memory.
Bought lossless scaling and now other than raw horsepower i feel like the features that mindless nvidia fanboys go on and non about are no longer special to the RTX40 series... Because i can do it too 😁
2080 Ti is actually a bit faster than 4060 Ti, especally at 1440p res, since it has twice as much memory bandwidth.
Plus, since decoupled FSR FG release 2080 Ti now can have best of both worlds - DLSS and Reflex + FG.
@@pwnomega4562 I'm on a 7900xtx but lossless scaling is still awesome. I can play most games above 100 fps anyways but now that they have the triple FPS frame gen I literally get 240 in every game 😂😂😂
Got a brand new 7900gre in switzerland for 475
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@@BlackJesus8463 nope ev2n from the biggest retailer the reason Was 5 days of waiting time
Yeah saw that on digitec it was 480chf, great value tbh, still the 4070 super is a better value at 550chf
Just made a friend a new PC with this card. Even her boy friend, with a 3070 in his build, was impressed enough he is considering getting one. For the price the card is amazing.
I got mine for 499 usd
its wild the price of a 2k-4k gpu so close to a 1080p-2k gpu..one should be dumb enough if one will choose the 4060ti
Well yes, one should be dumb to buy either of these products. AMD's current offerings fall apart in heavy RT, have terrible anti-aliasing without DLDSR+DLSS, are kind of a headache for AI at worse performance. And the 4060 Ti is a limited 8 lane mess. Basically the only reason you'd ever buy it is if you're really really really strapped for cash and need a 16Gb nvidia. Even then, just praying for a 5060 Ti 16Gb or 5070 24Gb miracle is an option. Just wait for next generation and see, don't buy now unless your card is dead.
@@albert2006xpThe video mentions just the gaming performance, why are you mentioning AI?
@@albert2006xp 0.1% of ppl use AI on GPUs and also AMDs 7000 series have AI accelerators better than most NVIDIA cards anyway. Heavy RT falls apart on both brands don't pin that on AMD unless you have a 4090 you are not playing with RTX overdrive unless you play with a crap ton of upscaling or at 1080p. And as for the terrible anti aliasing you are just straight up misinformed, I went from a 3080 to a 7900xtx and haven't noticed any aliasing in anything other than forza which is actually better on my new card as I have the extra horsepower to play in 4k and downscale it to 1080p (ik I need a new monitor). There is literally no advantage to NVIDIAs anti-aliasing in 99.9% of games.
@@AshleyChevisYT 7000 series is like 3 times slower in any workload that actually works. It will be slightly better soon as far as I heard but still.
It's insane you say "play with a crap ton of upscaling" like that's not the norm. Path tracing in Cyberpunk ("Overdrive") is just an option you turn on and then adjust to get a playable framerate from there. Whether you're on a 4090 or a 2070. You don't NOT play with it.
Ofc if you can run 4x DSR you're not running into anti-alias, but Nvidia can do 2.25x DLDSR which is as good as your 4x 4k on 1080p. The issue is you're not using that with actual settings. You just rob yourself of playing with all the settings turned on to then just pump the resolution to 4k on raster only. Which... raster only is trash, you can do 8k and it's still trash. You can't resolution your way into looking better than realistic path tracing.
@@albert2006xpsaid nobody ever other than you.
Why is it acceptable to anyone to have to buy a 1440p or 4k system to only be forced to play in 1080p because that system can't handle the gimmick that is ray and path tracing at a reasonable frame rate?
Once enabling that feature while running native with no upscalers doesn't drop the fps by half or more (even when running a 4090 it does that) it won't be a gimmick. It MIGHT look better (kind of) but it's not worth dropping below 60 fps for (much less the 30 you say you are fine with at 1080p). Especially if you are playing any kind of multiplayer game.
Don't get me wrong. The concept is very cool, and I can't wait for it to be viable for every game. But it's nowhere near usable or even worthwhile for the VAST majority of gamers, and even the 4090 doesn't really get there in newer games at a reasonable fps at 4k, and the 4090 is wasted on playing anything at 1440p much less 1080p.
The MINIMUM you should have to do ray tracing of any kind is a 4070 super. Don't tell me the 2070 can even come close to handling a modern ray traced title. That's flat out lying, no matter how your tweak the settings. Unless you want to play in 720p I guess, at which point it's not worth it for the drop on resolution.
It's a gimmick, and it will continue to be a gimmick for at least 2 or 3 more gpu generations.
Additionally, this video is specifically giving info for GAMING. Why bring up workstation performance when it isn't relevant to this conversation? Zero craps are given about that here.
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I think the DLSS " advantage " is kinda null now that FRS3.1 is out, games will get updated and its so close that it doesn't matter
I wouldn't count on many companies updating to the latest version. Your best hope is doing it yourself assuming you can do it like DLSS.
DLDSR+DLSS is still miles better than any shimmery image quality FSR3.1 can do. I wish it was better but come on, people, stop trying to justify your AMD purchases without having even experienced the difference. AMD should really do better.
@@albert2006xp they already have done better. nvidia may have it better in terms of raw output, however you fail to neglect everyone else on older hardware still being able to keep up today only because of amd. that in it of itself is a win
@@xracecar but the main reason it sucks is because it has to run on that hardware? Sure cool, have a basic upscaler that works on old cards, but AMD should have a proper AI upscale on proper tensor core equivalent equipped cards. And If you want DSR on AMD you basically have to run the regular one which is not worth it performance wise because you'd be rendering 4x the pixels instead of 2.25x.
@@albert2006xp Before I got my 7900XTX I had a 3080 and I wont say it wasn't good but DLSS was also pretty terrible in games like Horizon Zero Down and Spiderman , I know nVidia suckers act like DLSS is the second coming of Jesus but that is just not the case , RT performance was actually shit at 1440p , yes percentage wise it was miles better but what good is it being 100% better when that is 20 vs 40 fps? , both are shit when I have a 240Hz monitor , nVidia skipped 3000 when it comes to frame gen and to add insult to injury I started running out of VRAM, plus you are comparing virtual super resolution + DLSS to just FRS? Seriously? Maybe you should do better? So yeah I actually had the " better " and I don't miss it
I don't see the "Quality differences from the upscalers" Yes if i focus really hard i can some sort of "ghosting" on fsr? But if i play i can't see any of it and watching vs playing is a difference
Now you are realizing the scam that is Nvidia! Most gamers can barely tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps, and yet every Nvidia fan boy has eagle eyes that can spot one blurred pixel out of millions from 10ft away and therefore you must buy Nvidia gpus.
@@diamondlion47 i can tell the difference between 30, 60, 120 and 300+ fps. But i can't tell the difference in the quality of upscaling between fsr and dlss in games where it's working as intended.
Only reason to buy nvidia is if you are content creator and or want good ray tracing performance. However not even a 4090 can provide you fluent gameplay experience (talking 144fps+ in 1440p/4k) with good quality raytracing (pathtracing)
"Nvidia has better raytracing" is only half of the accurate sentence. The whole sentence is "Nvidia has better raytracing ONLY when the framerates are so bad you wouldn't use it"
Hey daniel sir, please tell me if it's fine. Budget is extended already for GPU now so the question is should I scrap this build or go ahead with this(no upgrade)
i5 12400f
H610 asus prime (really cheap in India. B series mobo is 1.5 time its price)
3200 mhz 16GB RAM
NVME SSD
C tier PSU 650w
7700XT GPU
Will drill holes in a cheap office cabinet for plenty of airflow.
What are your thoughts as I need UPS as well so budget is maxed out...
You forgot to mention the colossal power consumption difference between them.
you clowns were all quiet and meatshielding when the 3000 series were chugging huge watts for meager perf.
@@JohnSmith-ro8hkHow does this help the conversation?
@@JohnSmith-ro8hkAmd without node advantage is powerless vs Nvidia
@@lightechoes Don't bother, if you make a quick search you'll realize it's his nature to be a piece of shit in comments.
That doesn’t even matter at this point in the price bracket when you can get something that hilariously blows the 4060 Tis back out at native resolution.
At Microcenter, these are going for the same price as a 3080 Ti FE. If someone offered you to choose a 4060 Ti or a 3080 Ti FE for the same price. We all know what you would choose and power consumption isn’t going to be the primary reason. Lol.
Nvidia "4000" series is vastly overpriced. I said that from release. The 4060 Ti is a 50, or 60 class at best. And should be sold at a far lower price point. However, NGREEDIA had other ideas after the once in a lifetime pandemic and the vast profits it accrued. Just shows what an unscrupulous company it is.
200k sub is close. good job daniel😉👌
Numbers seem off in some of the 1% lows, like in Avatar 1440p Ultra RT 7800XT is at 109% perf v 4060 but has lower frames? Noticed that a few times in this video.
the power draw is also about 100W more on the RX 7800xt
Regarding the power draw, a lot of people seem to be ignorant and forget that, which is one aspect where the 4060 excels.
@@KJ-yr4wd ive got a 3060 and a ryzen 7 3800x and i have a 600W PSU
Keep saying you all hate NVIDIA, but still you all buy NGreedia. The hypocrisy
You're not wrong. Never stated otherwise, but if you're a stupid VR junkie like me.... AMD Driver issues and lack of high-end like 4090 leaves me little choice.
alot of nvidia only buyers have the same mentality as iphone users
Hey daniel, i own rx 6800 and ryzen 5900x and playing at 4k. Should i upgrade my gpu with the new gen nvdia or wait for rdna 5 with a cpu
The RX 6800 is 360$ on Amazon. Insane, since it's a card 20-50% faster than the 4060ti that is about the same price if not lower.
I have a colleague at work that chose to buy a 4060 Ti 16 GB instead of 7800 XT for basically the same money. For shame.
This is why we can't have nice things (like AMD high end GPUs).
Most people are bots. Guy probably playing on a dirty smear of an lcd screen right now.
If he needed CUDA or another nvidia feature for work, thats very much understanable some programs simply only work on Nvidia.
@@promc2890work better? yes. Work only? No
@@SirMo No, the reason we can't have nice things is because AMD's lost the plot years ago and just let Nvidia pile features upon features while they just go "raster go brrr hurr durr" and release another barely competent lineup. Best you can do is try to shame people for not buying a raster only product at their own expense just to stick it to Nvidia? AMD had three times this market share before they started going downhill. It's not just "oh people buying nvidia because branding". They legitimately lost the market share on their own. They need to release a series of proper cards with proper RT/tensor core equivalents and a DL-FSR that actually utilizes them. Not to mention CUDA emulation out of the box. People have done a lot of to make AMD AI somewhat work but it's a hassle and not everything does. AMD needs to stop releasing 2018 cards with more power and start releasing proper cards. Or else Nvidia can just do whatever they want and price gouge us however much they want.
Despite the "bad" reviews, the 4060 ti still tops all AMD GPUs on Steam hardware survey. 😅
NVIDIA has a higher market share especially in laptops and steam doesn’t differentiate between desktop and laptop GPUs
and you are the kind of people why. You're also clueless about the steam hardware survey.
Popularity =/= quality.
Daniel, you have to test it again with fsr 3.1 nativ AA with or without fg in ghost of Tsushima, because if it outperforms without upscaling you have to try it with native aa. It looks so much better on 4K than xess nativ AA.
would have love to see a comparizon with cyberpunk not just RT reflections but RT Ultra (no overdrive) I imagine percentage differences would have been between RT overdrive and RT reflections
2:00 holy frick
That body of yours is absurd
@@knowingbadger in a good or bad way 😏
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@@sms8717 difference in fps is mmm
Will it be possible to create a watt per frame graph for these cards?
7800xt is 25% more efficient but better OC it to get 15% more fps than to block it to 150w as 4060
Been using a 7800XT for some months now, runs everything I play (Ghost of Tshushima, God of War, Forza Motorsport) at very high/ultra settings at 3440x1440, not mentioning the very very good temps even when it's like 34°C outside windows full opened in my appartment the temps are still very nice (~260w full load 60°C & junction is ~78/80°C) very pleased with XFX, good job AMD & XFX
Daniel, before handing out wins for DLSS vs FSR quality by default, keep in mind that Hellblade and others still give you the option to also use Intel XeSS. In Hellblade I needed just a small bump to get over 60 and XeSS did that at a better quality than FSR, so that option is always there, eliminates some of the typical FSR artifacts with a slightly lower FPS bump.
XESS is definitely a competitor to DLSS, FSR is a much different implementation
You should take into account that on AMD GPUs XESS performs significantly slower than FSR. Especially on older and weaker ones (like 6600/6650/XT and 5700/XT).
So XESS is not always the best way to play games. It depends on a certain game and certain card. Faster cards loose less frames when switching to XESS.
@@stangamer1151 I stated that in my comment - if you need just a small FPS bump to get over 60 but want better image quality, try XeSS. If FPS is your main concern use FSR and live with a slightly softer image or a bit of shimmering. I didn't say it's the best option, just that it IS an option and alternative. I use it in Hellblade 2 to get from somewhere in the 50s just to a steady 60 at a better quality, if I wanted 70 FPS I'd use FSR.
Nvidia guys be like....
"B-B-BUT THE 4070 IS THE COMPETITOR OF THE 7800XT!".
NO mate. The 7800XT came in at $540, while the 4060Ti 16GB was $500. Direct competitors. The 4070, on the SAME DAY, was $700. Nvidia just reduced the price immediately cos they realized people, even dummy Nvidia fans, were gonna question the value of Nvidias midrange. Why? Cos the 7800XT DESTROYS!
I love those people who default to comparing based on tier instead of price, it makes no sense for a ton of reasons. _Nobody_ shops based on tier.
@@XxGorillaGodxX Exactly mate. When I go for a vacuum cleaner, I don't look at a £400 Dyson Super Ball vs a 1970's style Henry at £120!
I think "WHATS MY BUDGET!" and I get the BEST VACUUM CLEANER for that level of price! :D
Same with cars. Same with BURGERS! SAME WITH GPU'S! :D
This isn't true. 4070 was $600, 7800 xt was $500, and the 4060 ti 16gb was $500
Well tbh amd are forced to price match atleast a tier down to even be considered nvidia have better everything apart from raw raster performance and vram, and I say this as a 6700xt user. @@XxGorillaGodxX
Those prices are above msrp. Don't use price gouging prices for reference.
How I loved if those were the prices in my country...
What is it? Taxes and everything
yeah.. the 7800xt is 600$+ here
Here in Denmark prices (exchange rate + 25% VAT + rounding up to nearest "normal looking" price) track the US pricing with about a 3-4 week delay. Same on mindfactory in Germany and Overclockers in the UK.
Where do you live, and what's the pricing like?
A 7800xt is 830 bucks in my country, and so is a 4070. If that's not a kick in the nuts idk what is.
Same here in my country, 7800xt is like 600 dollars
Upscaling is fine at 1080p if you are using a smaller screen, like a laptop.
Another great example showing how the memory bandwidth of the 4060 ti handicaps it at 1440p. At native resolution the 7800xt has a bigger lead and whenever upscaling is enabled hence the resolution is lower the 7800xt's lead decreases.
True. 4060 Ti is severely constrained by memory bandwidth (just like 7900 GRE and 4070/Super/Ti). VRAM OC is a must for this card, as it alone can provide about 10% higher fps.
If electricity prices are very high in your country, then the 4060 ti 16GB can still make some sense, especially if you play games which aren't that demanding, and especially if you log a LOT of hours playing games. Then again, if you play so often that this efficiency advantage is going to mean a lot to you, the amount of time you spend playing games is very likely NOT healthy. I speak from experience as someone who has wasted way too much of their 30's playing PC games.
Lucky for me, most of the time I've spent gaming has been in regions with very affordable government regulated electricity prices XD
you can turn on radeon chill if you want to save money on power, a feature techtubers always seem to ignore.
I did the math its a $7 dollar difference over a year in power savings... For 50% less performance no thanks.
Bought the 7800xt Sapphire Nitro + for £480. Doesn’t disappoint 🔥
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No it doesn't at all! the 7800XT matches the 6900XT in performance - which is the card i use. Fair to note though, that the used market on RDNA 2 is awesome, I was just able to pick an XFX Swift 319 6900XT for $400 used recently, such that i could put my original 6900XT which i got for $530 back in 2022 in a relatives computer.
I bought the 7900gre for that price but tbh you are not missing much
@@JesManVP b-but you get a 9 instead of an 8! it's a whole number increase!
@HM-rz8nv wym? Lol it's da same it's basically a 7850xt
7800xt control panel not opening.. Is it opening in your pc daniel😕
Daniel, what is your personal preferred GPU for gaming Nvidia or AMD?
Probably Nvdia since they're are the best at the high end.
Something that I noticed, but wasn't mentioned was that in most cases, the 7800's 1% lows were higher than the 4060's averages.
Nvidia has this problem in general due to driver overhead.
@@JohnDoe-ip3oq That, and the fact that the " price-competition " points generally puts the AMD product a " performance tier " higher than the Nvidia product.
Urgh. ..7800 is actually a higher class GPU compared to 4060 despite very similar price!
Memory bandwidth of 7800 is more than double compared to 4060 Ti! 624GB/s vs 288GB/s
@@XPuntar Very true. But Daniel bases which GPUs he compares " head-to-head " on their price points, not their performance tier.
Its kinda crazy the 7800XT is still two months from being a year old and the 8800XT comes out in January. AMD and Nvidia are pushing hard for that one year upgrade cycle. Gamers beware how they generate consumer motivation to spend $500 on another GPU so soon. I have a feeling UE5 will play a dark part.
But since there is more competition, hopefully that will mean better deals for consumers. Nvidia has dominated for so long
@@tatersncorn only the consumers can change the narrative if they keep bending over and spreading their cheeks in order to buy the buzzwords nvidia puts out there will never be a change in pricing or the market.
Flooding the used market with yearly would be awesome I'm all for that competition between amd , Intel , Nvidia , maybe one day china too?
not a surprise because 7000 cards are massive disappointment and underdelivered what being promised. They're "competitive" now because of huge price cuts, but there is litteraly no point of buying any AMD card at 4070S and higher level.
@@f1rstlol The 7800 XT is around 48% faster than the 6700 XT, with 33% more vram, and actually launched at a LOWER MSRP (if you properly correct for inflation), and is about 100% faster than a 5700 XT, with 100% more vram, for about the same launch price (if you properly correct for inflation). These are very significant generational improvements in terms of performance per dollar.
The price of the 6700 XT and pretty much every other 6000 series card went way down before the 7000 series came out, allowing the older gen cards to continue to be very competitive with the next gen cards from both companies in terms of performance per dollar.
The thing I like about your channel is the English language, although I hardly understand it, but when you convert it to the Arabic translation, your words are very correct.
Would love to see 4070 compared to the 7900gre, which are virtually identically priced
You need to get a chroma green shirt so that you're just a floating head cursor.
When the 7800XT is as fast at Native as the 4060ti 16GB is with DLSS Quality in all not-Nvidia-spoiled-titles there is really not much more anyone can realistically argue.... yet reading the comment section people still do... Which just goes to show that Nvidia is a lot better at marketing than anything else.
GPU youtube comments are like an unpaid AMD marketing department, so you saying this is funny. Native does not look as good as DLDSR+DLSS at same performance. Native means you use the basic TAA anti-aliasing the game has, which is awful. Nobody's buying a 4060 Ti 16Gb for pure game performance. It's a price gouged way to get a 16Gb Nvidia card for local AI. Which sucks but if you can't afford a 4070 Ti Super or 4080 when the card actually came out, you don't have other options. Considering the alternative is getting extorted with 8Gb cards at those prices, it could be worse. I wish the next gen has the same pay $100 more to double VRAM option because I 100% will take it, preferably a 5070 24Gb though. That's preferable to getting more raster performance but being scammed on VRAM because Jensen doesn't have to compete with his own AI server products when the GPU competition is so bad.
Working overtime to stan AMD for their lack of effort isn't helping, in fact, it just encourages them to keep dropping the ball. I have more faith in Intel at this point in the GPU market. They show a little bit of a promise that we might eventually get out from under Nvidia's tyrannical monopoly.
Nvidia just still top because its a known product.. i still have bad memorys of the first amd cards xD 90-100c holy moly cooking eggs back in the days meanwhile the other one was like 50-60 at peak back then.. nowdays ye they are closer to each other but i still stick to Nvidia products..
I mean there is a bunch of ex Play station exclusives wich are indeed AMD spoiled titles LMAO. Nvidia is the best one at making GPUs that's why the 4090 is unmatched, they just don't want to kill the whole "AMD cut prices because they can't match performance" game.
@@Ale-nv2bowell 4090 costs 2x more but still gives only 20-30 additional fps (in raster of course)
Guys if i get a 4070 12gb vram for re4 remake, it wont crash or freeze if i max out everything including ray tracing if i only play it at 1080p?
you can see in ghost game that the shimmering effect is less with DLSS on vs native 1440p.. or screen door effect if you look at the windows on buildings.. other than that i don't think there is much a difference
The 4060 ti or not, are just not it. U can also tame the 7800xt’s power consumption with a bit of tweaking.
yeah a $20 boxfan lol
Yeah,that's what im saying,amd is just better is budget/midrange cards,my next card will 100% will be from amd,cause now i use 3060ti and i extremely don't like how bad the temperature even after undervolting is.
Daniel, for me with electricity costing at >50 cents per Kwh in SoCal, TDP is also very important. 160 TDP vs 263 TDP is significant! However, between these two cards, I agree that the winner is very clear (despite the higher elec cost).
For the performance, $350 is a good price point for 4060 Ti but the 8GB version should be $300 but thats still not a good deal
Nvidia fans are definitely doing some mental gymnastics in the comments to justify the 4060 Ti. It's hilarious to me.
Yea its kinda funny when ppl defends something that should be named 4050ti at best ...
Honestly I see more people doing mental gymnastics to make AMD happen, when AMD's current lineup is a disaster that won't age well. Heavy RT breaks the card, it's terrible for AI, they don't have a DLDSR equivalent and FSR is still shimmery and not implemented with any sort of machine learning. I get it, we all get it, Nvidia is the literal devil right now when they have a monopoly and you want people to buy AMD to stop them. But those cards are just bad product. At the very least you should wait for 8000 series and see if AMD does anything competent.
@@albert2006xplol fsr 3.1. and rdna 3 optimisation pt mod shows xtx can do path tracing. So sorry bro. But no
@@albert2006xp FSR 3.1 isn't shimmery at all, quit smoking
@@albert2006xpThey aren't "bad product" at all either. They do what they're meant for much better than the Nvidia counterpart does at a cheaper price. AMD is also viable for work now unlike what alot of Nvidia suckers would have you believe
In my country the 4060 ti 16Gb and 7800 XT are literally the same price. It's not even a contest to choose the 7800XT where I am, but the sheep keep buying the 4060 ti 8 GB because it's cheaper and DLSS without understanding that the 7800 XT smokes it even with upscaling on the NV card.
In Germany the 7800XT is the most selling product in a webshop. And also AMD sells there a lot more, than 15% of all the GPUs. At least 35%.
I'm still holding on to my GTX 1080 Ti, frankly because its still a capable card for my 1080p 60hz monitor. DLSS was really enticing to me but since the advent of FSR, I don't see the point. I got a rather sizable VRAM of 11gb, got CUDA support, and FSR and now Frame Generation.
CUDA compatible software is the one thing that made me still holding on buying anything new. I hope AMD realize that they have great product, and they develop ROCm software and adoption. If AMD's ROCm become half as ubiquitous as CUDA right now, there is no reason, at least for me, to go for Geforce.
Should have waited for FSR 3.1 to compare....
BTW that's a joke and a dig at AMD for never saying when it will be available, so planning like that was impossible. And now we have data from before 3.1. Which is valuable in it's own right.
We know what Nvidia is doing. They are making the low range cards bad value on purpose to upsell you on a 4070 or higher. And apparently enough people don’t even consider AMD that they can get away with it.
yep, they buy the 4060 Ti over the 7800xt because the 4090 is faster than the 7900xtx. It's a very strange logic but that is what they do.
@@Henrik_HolstI am sure some people are taking into account the value of DLSS, DLAA and DLDSR.
Plus, since 4060 Ti is heavily constrained by memory bandwidth (just like 7900 GRE), it is very important to overclock VRAM on this card. VRAM OC alone can provide about 10% higher framerates in games.
@@stangamer1151 some yes but the vast majority of buyers have zero clue on what any of that is and they simply see benchmarks that show just how superior the 4090 is so they go "Nvidia must be that much superior to AMD on every card"
Why would Nvidia lower the price if they are gaining market share ? A lot of people complain but still buy Nvidia.
Good points. Good video.
I know for a fact that most people will still buy the 4060ti 16GB, use it for a bit and realize the performance doesn't match the price tag, sell it, then pony up more cash to get 4070 Super.
RX 7800 XT does a great job but look at that power consumption, it consumes 100W more than the RTX 4060 TI. Wouldn't worth buying a 4070 if that one delivers a similar performance while consuming less energy?
Just because it has more ram doesnt make it more sense to compare to a higher level performance tier. The price is most a tax of the extra 8GB not that its a higher level tier.
Got 7800xt months ago for 1440p and was impressed. Now got 4k monitor and gaming, haven't used upscaling yet. dam thing is value for money.
That’s really cool. But I wish AMD draws less power. ~150w vs ~250w.
I hope that u dont buy intel cpu then?
@@marcinkarpiuk7797 Yes, currently running an AMD CPU.
How much would you get by lowering the clock speed of the card
@@JesManVP you don't even need to. amd is notorious for overvolting all their gpus so there is a safe performance baseline. you can easily lower the voltage and not only does your power draw go down, performance goes up.
Me too.
Istg I can’t see what ray tracing is really getting you beyond good reflections. I don’t mean it doesn’t do anything, I havent even played a game with RT. But in like every side by side benchmark Ive seen I cant really tell which is which at least without the lable.
RT is a scam. High contrast and high dynamic range of the display are the real heroes.
Are you running an AMD gpu?
"I haven't even played a game with RT". Yeah that's the least surprising statement after the first one. The realistic lighting in Cyberpunk with path tracing turns it from a game to an actually believable world. Alan Wake it's less obvious because they do such a good job on their raster global lighting but it's still adding a lot of details if you can run it.
@@albert2006xp what I meant was I havent spent hours looking at it is all. Ive just looked at comparisons. Im sorry if it triggered you
@@albert2006xpYou mention pathtracing, but completely disregard the fact that you need some serious horsepower to even run at close to 60 fps. That 4060 Ti is not gonna cut it.
WIsh It was true here. We have a $200 price difference where I live. Not worth at all .
Why not match 7800xt against 4080? 7800xt is two tiers higher than 4060ti. It is just the price being too high for nvidia but in terms of what it should match against 7800xt is like a rebranded 6800xt
240W vs 140W though.... in several years you'll end up paying more for the 7800xt if you consider the energy consumption.
4060ti showed 163w while 7800xt showed 240 watt. That's basically 40% more power, but you also get that much more performance. So in terms of perf/watt they have very similar efficiency. Also if you want to lower power use, it is very easy to do with a number of tricks. You can frame cap and lower graphic settings which can make the GPU sip power. You can also use a thing called Radeon Chill.
The 7800 XT performing drastically better in many cases would encourage keeping it for longer instead of spending money on upgrading, so power consumption is a moot point.
@@SirMo Yup, perf/watt is very similar. Oh yeah, undervolting tends to use a lot less energy for not that much less FPS, true!
@@XxGorillaGodxX Yeah, you might be right. Also, you can make it spend less energy without losing that much performance, and then it is probably even better long term.
Think I'd be leaning 4070. It's obviously yet more money, and only 12GB, but overall I think it's the better bet for the long term as ray tracing becomes more important. The annoying reality is that to cover everything off - VRAM, bus width, raster and RT performance - you really need a 4070 Ti Super.
4070 super costs the same as regular 4070 tho
@@fnjydtfdtjdtj definitely not anymore, only their MSRP was the same
7800xt is a better deal for me. 16GB of VRAM and it's much cheaper. With all the progress in upscaling and frame generation I'd rather buy a sweet spot product than spend extra money only to get less VRAM.
16gb although not endless)
But the 7900GRE costs less than a 4070 and destroys it in 90% of gaming scenarios. You could even spend an extra 8-10% and get a 7900XT.
1) And due to the fact that amd is not popular, in our region 7800xt street from $ 700, 4060ti-16G from $ 570 and 4060ti-8G from $ 460 2) 4060ti-16G = 4060ti-8G in most games, and is rather needed only by those who cannot run tasks with less than 12-16 AI neural network type gigs 3) DLSS and FSR cannot be compared head-on, because FQR-Q = DLSS-P and DLSS-FG already work successfully in 70+ games, whereas FSR-FG in 20-30 is no more than 4) CP2077 has DLSS-FG support, but FSR-FG does not and the author did not include DLSS-FG in the test, this is wrong because the advanced advantage of nvidia was not taken into account
Similarly, it could be compared to the Nvidia Quatro
In my locale, the cheapest "On Sale" price 4060 Ti 16GB is US$560 and no AMD GPUs. The nearest neighboring country for 4060 Ti 16GB is US$525 and the RX 7800 XT is US$555. We don't get much of these manufacturers' support price cards as these cards are mainly brought in by private retailers when new, and thus, unable to offer much discounts as they bear the loss if discounted too much. I envy USA consumers that are able to get good pricing on PC components.
7800xt costs as much as a 4070 here sadly
but in every single game test, 7800XT has around 100W more power consumption than 4060 Ti. performance per watts is one of my critical purchase factor now even consider the price differences. i just checked Amazon, 4060 Ti 16GB costs 440, 7800XT cost 410, considering the max 15% performance gain in 7800XT, I will choose 4060 Ti 16GB for the 100W lower power consumption and 30 dollar higher price and around 10% lower performance. especially considering the power consumption, 7800XT costs near 70% more power than 4060 Ti 16GB but performance gains only around 15%~20%? And 30 dollars cheaper that's just nothing comparing to my daily living cost if I'm going to use these GPU for 1 year or more. in some area in 2022, my 1 year power fee for running 7x24 with 4 300W GPUs can buy almost 4 more GPUs, that's insane and is why I consider performance per power very seriously.
it doesnt make as big a diff as people think year to year......
Undervolting: *am I a joke to you?*
@@pwnomega4562 undervolting means less clock speed to cope. 2970 to 3000Mhz core clock. 10251Mhz mem clock for the max of 165W and 47 to 65C here with my 4060TI 16GB. Huge difference especially in productivity and daily work. GPU running 16H a day with at least 6H full load. big $ savings there..
I got a Used 4060ti 16gb for 370 at micro center in back in January. I put it in my wifes pc. she had a 3060 she likes it
Crazy that these two cards are so close in price. Shows that marketing is king to some extent.
Watching on 7800XT.
160 vs 260 watt
3 hours a day 365 days a year at 0.4 cent per KWH
that's ≈50 $ more in one year with 90% powerfully efficiency
No. That is $5 a year.
@@Audiosan79 Your math ain't mathing.
RX 7800 XT destroys the RTX 4060 Ti.
Price to Performance AMD wins every time.
Other than wanting RT, there is absolutely no reason to pick Nvidia over AMD. (Unless you are a Brand Freak and must have the best Brand name)
Also RT is really only worth it from the 4070 Ti Super or better for RT in 1440p gaming.
i bought a saphirre 7800xt for 350$ an im loving this card!
DLSS and FSR 3.1 i don't see the difference you must be a video phile to see those little things.... AMD is a better deal, Nvidia is an AI company now.
I know gaming 7800xt (and all amd) is the best value for your buck, but nvidia has such a lead in the ai space (cuda) that is not a real consideration for me at least :/
Interesting so do you use your system exclusively for AI and Cuda applications? Because otherwise the comment you wrote would make about as much sense as spreading a jar full of black mold instead of a jar of peanut butter on bread
Even in AI, the 7800xt is better than 4070 because the extra VRAM you get which is very important in AI workloads. And it will absolutely blow the 4060ti 16GB out of the water since 7800xt has twice the memory bandwidth. So if you care about AI, 7800xt is still a better GPU. AMD's ROCm has gotten a lot better in the last year, and I think no doubt will continue to close the gap with CUDA.
@@SirMo while promising I'd like to see a benchmark to confirm what you re mentioning, ROCm is really good in some scenarios but not much people have implemented it on LLM applications, do you have a link so we can check that?
@@ferluisch Dude, you don't do AI anything. Stop talking smh.
If you dont understand your tool. Or if it is not free. Can you realy understand what you do ? Cuda ? Code it !
Hold off on DLSS image quality advantage now that FSR 3.1 is out. I'm sure that mods will be available to implement in any game very soon. Only Heavy Ray Tracing is better for NVIDIA now and only for GPUs that can adequately handle it like the 4090.
Nice video
Best Video Daniel has ever uploaded on you tube..... By FAR
thanks2
You're better off with a 7600XT or A770 16GB.
That is an entirely different price tier.
@@XxGorillaGodxX exactly save more money.
Yep extra $200+ to spend next gen or wherever
Pretty well known at this point if your going high end NVIDIA makes more sense. Anything under that AMD is the clear choice.
Yes, we need to start comparing price vs price and not tier vs tier. If Nvidia wants the 4060ti to be 450$USD then we compare it to similar priced cards
Yeah NVIDIA is definitely an AI company 😂😂
Why? It's standard for them .... LONG before AI. The 1050Ti for example, was their "entry level" gaming card, yet hit around 30-40fps in games of the time in 1080p, compared to the solid 60fps of the RX570 (despite them costing the same at $170). Did it matter? No. 700% more 1050Ti's sold, than RX570s.
Nvidia know their 4060Ti was dogshit, but they ALSO know that, like the dogshit 1050Ti and GTX960 etc, it will SELL NUMBERS. Cos ... as proven by history and science and data, most PC gamers buy Nvidia no matter what. Even when their cards are dogshit.
I GUARANTEE that in 1.5 years, Nvidia have shifted some 500% or so MORE 4060Ti 16GB's than AMD sold 7800XTs!
160 watt vs 260 watt in this summer heat 🔥 is a no brainer.
I love heat 🥵
Ever heard of air conditioning?
In Belgium, theyre both 400-450€ depending on the brand. Buth theyre the same price
Great video! Finally people are catching on to how ridiculously overpriced Nvidia gpus are.