Despite frustrations, eastern Oregon business owner isn’t convinced by ‘Greater Idaho’ movement
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- The owner of a brew pub in little John Day has plenty of complaints about the state of Oregon, and she agrees on a lot of issues with proponents of "Greater Idaho." But she doesn’t think the answer is to leave the state.
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people move to an area to get away from cities, then they really work at making it just like the city they fled
Alot of truth in that
I saw it first hand when California moved into Idaho.
You are exactly right. That’s why Arizona is screwed up.
@@karldanger5150 same! I'm SEIdaho!
She had a lot of good questions about where all this could lead as a business owner who could be impacted by a change.
I'm curious why would a state mandate how many licenses should be granted in a local area. Should that be a county or city law? Does Idaho have they same state law that Utah has, statewide lower limit in alcohol for every bottle of beer. I lived in SLC in 2001. I didn't drink at the time but that was just stupid.
Please remember that the collapse of the timber industry in Oregon happened because LP and GP didn't feel like dealing with unionized millworkers. They'd rather ship raw logs to Asia, which they ultimately ended up doing, and however much you may blame the Owl, you'd be wrong.
timber collapsed across the entire country because of automation taking the majority of the jobs. It used to take hundreds or thousands of peoples to work a mill, now it takes a couple dozen. The timber industry was warned about this for a long, long time. they refused to acknowledge facts, much like rural oregonians are doing with the greater idaho movement, and instead made it an identity crisis while blaming liberals. the death of timber towns was almost entirely self inflicted. They lost jobs to automation which killed tax revenue, then their schools and public services dried up because of the lack of tax revenue, then they refused to pass new taxes which lead to no police and public services. Now all the old timber towns are dead/dying, their populations are aging, and nobody wants to live there because of no public services. It's entirely self inflicted because they refused to modernize, much like what eastern oregon is doing.
In Northeastern Oregon, BC and major timberland corp are more to blame. Massive mismanagement and poor decisions from mills hq'd in Idaho.
I remember that happening. They were buying all the raw logs and even syncing them over there so they could cut them up and use them later. Right then and there we should have made a law you buy finished lumber only! No raw logs!
Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! The timber industry was sued by various environmental groups over the Spotted Owl and endangered wildlife species.
It's easy to blame unions when many times it's just that the corporation knows they can make more money by using cheap labor overseas. Which do you think might be better for America, good paying jobs here or shitty paying jobs for poor people in Asia? We need to rebuild our system of tariffs that would force corporations to employ Americans and pay them a good wage which is good for America.
When unions were strong a man with no high school diploma working on a loading dock would earn enough to own a home, not need his wife to work and buy a car every few years and take the family on a vacation every summer. College was almost free so his kids would fare much better than he did.
Unions gave us THE WEEKEND. They ended CHILD LABOR. They created the 40 HOUR WORK WEEK and OVERTIME , SICK LEAVE and PAID VACATIONS as well as a lot of other truly great things. When unions were strong this country built an infrastructure that was the envy of the world and the economy was humming.
The notion that Unions are bad which you've been indoctrinated into believing is true is in fact a lie.
When unions were strong, the wage of the CEO was seven times the wage of the worker on the line. Now the CEO wage is HUNDREDS of times the wage of the worker on the line.
Well done presentation and commentary. I think the eastern Oregonians have a legitmate beef....but I think they're voting on emotions without fully considering all the potential difficulties. They need to do like us old people were told to do decades ago: sit down with pencil and paper and write down all the pros and cons, and consider all of them carefully. FTR, I'm a "Western Oregonian" and a life long Dem, but I get fed-up with today's politics. Moderates are ignored and only extremists are heard. Sometimes liberals annoy the heck out of me.
Speaking as an eastern Oregonian, I support the greater Idaho movement 1000%! If I could sign a paper that divorced us from the other side of Oregon tomorrow, I would GLEEFULLY sign it RIGHT NOW!
Portland doesn't even care about central Oregon let alone Eastern Oregon.
Moving is a great option we can help you pack your trash bags
@@seagraverider yeah we could say the same to you. We know you all really want me be Commiefornians, you just don't have the balls to make the move...or for anything else.
Why not just move to Idaho? Greater Idaho will never happen, Idaho doesn't want Oregon.
@@karldanger5150 None of what you said is even remotely true. Why don't you start making an argument or don't bother talking at all
What's not being said is that the same issues are occuring in Washington State. The west-side cities control the body politic in our state, and people East of the Cascade divide feel left out of the political process in Olympia.
It’s not the people in the rural areas that support the WA politics, its the people in the big cities.
I agree that eastern Oregon has been neglected in many ways.
We are ok with being neglected. Just leave us the hell alone. Y’all don’t respect us and we sure as hell don’t respect y’all. You western Oregonians destroyed our state and are part of the greater problem
Destroying this country
They really should read the fine print... Idaho has a licensing requirement for any business. And then there's the "sales and usage" tax.
I would definitely move to Eastern Oregon that this was to happen 👍👍
Why not just move to Idaho today?
@@rickchandler2570 I'm already considering it I've never even been to Idaho 😉👍👍
@@adventuretrails1ato It’s nice that’s for sure. Love Boise but the country is amazing. Sawtooth wilderness is outstanding.
Has anyone done a deep report about what would be lost and gain if eastern Oregon did become part of Idaho? Those 11 counties that voted to leave should pool their resources and get that report published so everyone can see it in black and white. I would like to hear from someone official from Idaho about all of this?
Currently the State spends more in Eastern oregon counties than they contribute to the state coffers. So at least as far as money goes, Eastern Oregon is not pulling its weight….. for Idaho, the increase of land and population would bolster the state and have more land for those looking to come to Idaho which has 75% of its land within their border being federal land that can’t be lived in.
@@FloridaDock just to make sure I understand. The part of the state that had the most people where most of the taxes are coming from are going back to them. Also aren't the people of eastern Oregon self reliant? First time I hear an upside for Idaho.
@@damongraham1398 the saw numbers of what rural Oregon sends to Portland is less than the state spends….. that is the case in every state. My point is that when it comes to money, the sweeter side wouldn’t loose money of if the split happened. It’s not about pulling their weight…. Much of the same infrastructure hard costs have to be paid by fewer people especially when the capital destroys industry in the rural areas.
The figure that the Greater Idaho people have given us is 15 BILLION dollars that Idaho would have to pay Oregon to take in eastern Oregon. That number as far as I have been able to determine, is based on NOTHING. It's just an arbitrary number somebody pulled out of who knows where. You may be assured that it is an extreme lowball estimate. Nobody knows what the real cost would be. It could be 60 BILLION or a hundred billion, nobody knows.
I'm willing to bet that the real cost will bury Idaho in a generational debt.
@jonathanard1301 - What industry are you referring to?
This is rural vs urban it happens all over America every state .....
You don't have to accept it though.
Yes , but what is different now is the big cities are now communist .malcontent ignoramuses! Climate change ? Really!
1188 Brewing would fit perfectly into metro western Oregon. No wonder the owner, Shannon, isn't supportive of the Greater Idaho movement.
So if you become a part of Idaho minimum wage would drop to 7.25 an hour.
Interested in how this this situation plays out. Reason is, this “not listened to” thing is EVERYWHERE! Including the province of British Columbia, just north of you. It’s where I live. The conservative but lightly populated mountain areas feel they’re ignored by the highly populated Vancouver area; Vancouver Island (where the actual capital is in Victoria) feels ignored by the mainland, and so on. And so on, and on, and on…
Nor is it any better in Alberta (one province east), where I used to live. Rural south feels ignored by gung-ho conservative Calgary, who feels ignored by industrial Edmonton (capital city), and forestry north feels ignored by everyone, and so on and on and on…
As I say, interested to hear how this all plays out for Oregon and Idaho.
I think the ruling politics involved in this hear what the rural areas are saying. They just don't care. Their ideology will always win out over the good of all the people. This is happening everywhere. The idea, in this new reality, of the left and right coming together at the table to work out differences and find the common good for ALL citizens has sadly vanished. There are no more debates. Do as we say, or else, period. Look around you. Do you see or hear of the left and right coming together to hear each other's views and get to the middle ground of issues. NO! Twenty or thirty years ago, it was possible. Not anymore. Do you ser or hear the younger generations debating issues. NO! If anyone disagrees with their beliefs or agendas that person is deemed racist, homophobic, etc ,etc.,etc.
Forest service needs to change policy...allow selective cutting and ban clear cuts.
Washington state south and western counties would like to join "greater Idaho" as well! Especially when constitutional rights are willfully violated, we need to correct these mistakes or separate.
Unfortunately, areas that generate more revenue than the areas looking to leave will always have their way. It's basic economics.
Fiat currency printing is not real wealth.
So, let's just give homeless people $1000/month of YOUR tax dollars, to be spent any way they choose. That should solve a lot of Portland's problems.
It's interesting that people in eastern Oregon who support the greater Idaho movement have never mentioned that Idaho has a significant sales tax while Oregon does not. Think about it.
obviously the Idaho tax payers aren't going to foot the bill to purchase all that land from Oregon. If eastern Or wants to be apart of Idaho, they're going to have to pay for it themselves (which they also won't do)
Everytime he says it won't happen an angel gets its wings.
What about woman's health care? What will happen as doctors leave?
Barefoot and preggers! 😂
Do you believe in all doctors are Democrat or something
@@nicholaslayton6199 Doctors are health care providers who have no interest in going to jail for giving the best possible patient care because of insane government interference.
@@nicholaslayton6199 yes
Too late…
county representatives aren't doing their job
I totally agree with your comment.
If Greater Idaho happened, I'd be shopping for houses in Central-former-Oregon immediately. I have loved that land all my life, but now live in Central WA because Oregon cost of living is so crazy. Seattle is bad but they milk their own megacorps for the most part. Portland has no one to milk but the middle class.
From an economic perspective, I think a lot of the problem is that most of the US upper middle class is made up of highly specialized jobs that you (for the most part) need large population centers to sustain. Other than Bend, (which is more central Oregon, and I believe wants to stay in Oregon), Eastern Oregon just doesn't quite have that. As a mechanical engineer with an emphasis in computational modeling, there just aren't jobs in rural America. It would be different if we had more minerals to mine. Or had a major river in the southeast portion, to support more agriculture. But, as it stands unless federally we start incentivizing more business development in rural areas, I don't see a whole lot changing, whether the area is Idaho, or Oregon.
Also I don't think enough people appreciate that people leaving rural America and housing costs in urban America are symptoms of the same problem.
Some of us don't want more development in Eastern Oregon.
@@ZEEKUPP Except for the stretches of highway that someone else's taxes pay for, the power and transmission lines and the rural phone infrastructure that I pay for on my phone bill till today.
Good grief
Thanks KGW - best news story on this subject
I'm very pleased by the open honest reporting that is being done in this series. I'm reminded of the State of Jefferson that was set to be voted on in Congress. It was all but done and then Pearl harbor happened and that was the end for that movement.
"When all else fails, they take you to war"
as i listened to her, i'm like: "you're right!"
Shannon seems like a nice temperate voice . As a Dem I do feel everyone's voice should be heard. Not from Oregon but I get the argument. It's the same or similar across the nation, big city vs rural hill country. I hope we as one nation get a bit closer rather than embracing divisions that exist currently.
You know for people who aren't heard they sure get lots of tv time for what it basically is a hissing fit.
Shannon is very smart. Has some really good points about this debate.
Nor does Idaho want this I love Oregon with that said do they think this is 1885?
@@Greater_Idaho It would be interesting to see a real poll, one that first explains how high Idaho taxes would skyrocket were this to ever happen. I'm convinced that once the citizens of Idaho are informed of the real price they'd have to pay (and $15 Billion isn't even close) they'll reject this crackpot idea post haste. If this actually went through, Idaho would be in tax hell and job providing businesses would flee Idaho which would then become a jobless bankrupt hellscape. But, hey, a handful of rich cattle ranchers will be happy
Greater state of Oregon, already happened, we're not going to unchage the past.. really, really you really think that? Duuuuuuummmb.
According to the only poll in Harney Co. Witch is literally a metal pole in Harney Co. Ha ha you have way less then realistic dreams..
Idaho is not cheaper and greener than Oregon. Works are harder to find and education is down the bottom. If you are working class it’s harder to live in Idaho compared to Washington and Oregon. If you are rich and wealthy Idaho is great because of labor is cheap.
Part of this story needs: Some investigating on the history of why rural areas fail it is part of the history of this country. And progressive parts of the country are not solely responsible. Are eastern Oregonians implying that they don't play a role? Are eastern Oregonians claiming there are no rural areas in western Oregon? Do they realize the financial impact to Idaho, Idahoan's and themselves. You just don't move the line on the map and continue on. It would have a significant impact on every aspect of their lives. Probably more negative effects than they have ever imagined. “If we fail to adapt, we fail to move forward.” John Wooden
The law of unintended consequences is real
This is essentially rural americans refusing to update with the times, claiming it's "their identity". Everything that eastern oregonian's are complaining about boils down to "These things need to happen and are going to happen either way. Get on board now or struggle to stay relevant."
@@CRneu I mean if Portland is an indication of " progressive and keeping up with the times" maybe eastern Oregon has a point
duh!! didn't you listen? The timber and mining faded away..
those were the big draws...
Politicians move lines on a map all the time. It's called gerrymandering and this is one of the reasons things get so screwed up.
I found this story informative, and offering a dose of reality to those considering moving the Oregon and Idaho border. Be careful what you wish for. Don't like rules where you live? Try to work it out, or maybe park up and move where you like the rules. Thousands do it each year.
Born in ND grew up In Mt. Raised kids in Boise. .moved to Medford... to much logistics to change all addresses,let's get real...
She has a reasonable position, which should be considered.
Oregon is 48th in the nation for business taxes, and 42nd for income tax. The extreme cultural, ethical, and world view differences are astronomical and offensive. EO doesn't want to financially support what they do not agree with. Portland and Salem have changed their mentality about "family," stating over and over that they can do whatever they want because they have the vote in the Oregon house. EO is ignored and mocked constantly. EO wants freedom, lower taxes, and a state government which aligns with our values. Oregon stopped listening, negotiating, etc. Oregon basically stopped inviting EO to "family gatherings", left EO out of financial and decision making discussions, and took EO money to spend it on things EO doesn't approve of. EO people feel there is no other choice due to stubbornness of a gov who got 47% of the vote. They arrogantly refuse to manage or include MOST of the state.
you mean we get to join Idaho and have our wages cut in half?
$3.35/hr for tipped workers. $4.25/hr for “training” workers under 20 years old for their first 90 days of work. Once again a “movement” that punishes the working poor.
@@wowzers5172 maybe shoot for more than a minimum-wage job
@@nicholaslayton6199 Way to advocate for the working poor in eastern oregon
only if you're a low-skilled moron, who can only earn minimum wage?
@@nicholaslayton6199 somebody has to make your burgers for you. Wouldn't you rather it was someone making a livable wage instead of somebody living in a tent next to the railroad track?
👵Sooo, forgive me for not being savey concerning things of government but it seems to me that the consequences of moving that line if the unification did happen, would cost wayyy more than it would cost to give these counties a helping hand. . . 🙏
Weather rule or not everything across the board should be the same in all areas rue or not minum wage should be the same all across the states exspecially in rule areas it's harder to get their and their is less resources so theminum wage should be the same across the states they work just as hard to to provide service
Who cares what that rancher thinks?? Not me, who, as an Oregon conservative, HAS NO VOICE HERE IN OREGON. There are MILLIONS of us!
Actually there’s fewer than a million registered republicans in Oregon.
100% agree the rural areas get shafted and it's not right
Shannon is Right On! Lets get her back on the city council!
All of The 395 should be it's own state.
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Grew up in Oregon and moved to Idaho before I really paid attention to politics. No way in Hell, I'd ever go back to Oregon. of the last 50,000 people that have moved to Idaho, 40,000 are registered Republicans. I'd love to see eastern Oregon join Idaho to help preserve what we have!
Me Too! But I can't take that chance. I gotta go to Idaho as well
The very fact that politics is a major influence in your life shows that you have a single digit IQ because you’re a knuckle dragging troglodyte and you just posted it on TH-cam comment board for all eternity to see and witness
Fucking hilarious troglodyte
I live in washinton and back in approximately 95 i told them i heard spotted owls ,on the state land they clear cut it all never heard any owl and i sold out and moved further into the wilderness ,
The Greater state of Oregon.. look it up... hard to undo. What we done did..
What we done did? You REALLY need to get to Idaho right away! buh byeee!
The spotted owl excuse was bs!
It’s not. That damn bird was used as an excuse to stop all logging for several years, long enough for any timber company that mostly cut federal logs to go out of business. You should give OPBs “Timber Wars” podcast a listen.
The spotted owls got barbecued in the wildfires.
WHY CAN'T YOU PUMP YOUR OWN GAS ??!!!
WHAT POSSIBLE REASON WOULD THEY HAVE FOR NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PUMP THEIR OWN GAS ???!
First, a law was just passed that will eliminate that. Second, big oil companies pushed for that law so that they could eliminate thousands of jobs they don't want to pay for. Third, it's a hell of lot nicer when it's snowing and raining for someone else to you pump your gas than to get out of your car. Fourth, it cuts down on the number of disasters at gas stations by around 95 percent. Fifth - do you live here? Is it any of your business, why are you screaming (psst, all caps means screaming)
Hard to follow...label the series in parts...i.e. Part1, Part 2, etc.
$7.25!…..I can’t believe this! There rent and housing must be cheap.
It us a minimum wage, not realistic wages. Wages are set by labor demands. Even high schoolers working part time make more than minimum wage.
The cities need to consider the impact on them from lost of state income. Lost of tax revenue would reduce state benefits.
Farmers from Harney Co. Don't go to Boise for Vacation it's probably for factory discounts, good dinner. Stocking up at Costco. Going to town things. Let's get real..
I go to Boise which is about an hour farther then going to Bend simple because I cant hardly stand Bend anymore, and I grow up there. Very similar to my feelings about Oregon in general. If I could afford it I'd move to Montana not idaho. I do spend a far amount of time there and it reminds me of the Oregon I grow up in. That is just my opinion, nothing else.
Every state has their urban rural divide even Idaho Texas Florida and Nebraska.
I love that place!
There must be exceptions made based on geography alone.
California would go for that. That part of California is nothing of use to the State.
I lived in Texas when I was young I couldn’t get out of there fast enough!
Why?
Sounds to me like she just worried about her income
As opposed to other people who care nothing about their income?
I have begun leaving Portland. I have watched it for 75 years. Western Oregon is hopeless. Expel Portland/Salem/Eugene from Oregon. Shannon is so very, very wrong. It isn't all about business. The problem has been festering for decades. As for Utah, that state has a religious divide that separates non-Mormons and declines to support them in business. Their "urban/rural" divide runs much deeper than mere civil and lifestyle boundaries. It is deeply religious and cultural.
We need an electoral college at the state level.
no we don't
@@PendeltonWhiskey What we do need though is some way for the policies passed specificaly for urban areas to have less negative affect on the rural areas. That is the hard solution to find.
A few 9mm will not drop an angry boar, bear, cougar, or moose
So many people are moving out of Portland, the balance will change. IMO
There are people in Portland who aren’t radical leftists. There are people in John Day who aren’t Neo Nazis. Cable news and social media point the camera at loud radicals, and reasonable people get drowned out. Pat’s a gem for trying to find the middle.
Just remind those people, to burn their Democrat voter ID cards, and don't bring their leftist, loony policies to where-ever they fled to.
So what happens if they m9ve to Idaho and Idaho changes more liberal?
Then he can move to Portland
Maybe a state electoral college approach would better represent the interests of the entire state...?
Not once did Kate Brown go to eastern Oregon to listen to what people had to say.
this is blatantly untrue. a 5 second google can find you instances of her going to multiple eastern oregon counties and college campuses.
@@CRneu Yes she has been to eastern Oregon, but not listening to people who advocate Greater Idaho. Tina Kotek is still new, but I did not see anything in her campaign literature about how she would address this issue.
Majority rule, when your ideas are FAILED, you should leave .
And just how much would this cost to move the border???? what about the Oregon state police units which cover eastern Oregon, would the become part of the Idaho state police???? Would the cities/counties still be there???? I remember back in the '90s someone wanted to move the border between Multnomah and Clackamas counties north a bit and make Multnomah county even smaller than it already is.
I'd bet my bottom dollar that Oregon cops would be tripping over each other trying to get to the front of the line to join the Greater Idaho State Police.
@@ohlordy2042 tripping over each other to get their wages cut in half? I'll take that bet
Fiat currency. Removed by taxes. Trickery. Wealth can't be created by printing. Only deception.
Idaho would have to go along with it. Which means they would have to pay the state of Oregon for all the infrastructure. I sincerely doubt the taxpayers of Idaho will go along with that
True, but surprisingly enough very little infrastructure is actually "State" owned. Most is private utilities, local municipalities, and county owned. These assets would technically move with the counties, and the bonds "debt" associated with them would move also.
@@thehammerwell Approximately one million acres of Eastern Oregon counties in the “greater Idaho” area are state owned. It doesn’t take much math to figure the cost to Idaho would be at the very minimum $10 billion+ without all the other costs that come along with this pipe dream
@@wowzers5172 Well not sure what you based your math on? If the land doesn't generate income, or can be sold for development it becomes a financial liability, this means it costs tax payer dollars to maintain it with nothing else in return.
@@thehammerwell The acreage straight off the greater idaho web site. And Oregon can sell it for whatever they want. But it’ll never happen so who cares lol
@@wowzers5172 have you ever actually been to Eastern Oregon? How did you come up with that figure?
I just realized the majority of every state is mostly just baron land and we all just live in these small crowded towns and major cities surrounding these highways or straight lines just connecting other states. but what is really blowing my stoner mind is what's the actual percentage of land that people live on in the u.s. and what's all just empty farm land and BLM propety? like when I'm driving up I-5 from California to Washington there is all that open farm land for miles and the same going 84 from Portland to Idaho? Think about it. We have to take up maybe a third of the land if everyone got together? But chat gpt also says we can put every single person in the world inside new York city and the population wouldn't even need the second floor of buildings to live in?
Because as a business owner he probably has some level of financial and practical reasoning. The people for the movement Don't. There's no thought of the costs just to change borders and nothing else. I'm Not Paying one cent in my taxes!
Keep Oregon whole. Reform representation in the Oregon legislature.
On the news part, you might delve into the religious aspect of this too.
Idaho for example has a large population of Mormons; Oregon does not. In Idaho, Coeur D’Alene Idaho, near Post Falls, is a Mormon dream honeymoon place. Also near Hayden ID, which is a definitely newsworthy place - research it.
Learned growing up that Mormons are deeply, deeply conservative and generally not so fond of government telling them how to live their lives, and can supply history to prove it. Dig into how that affects rural Idaho views.
And what a shock that would to ex-Oregonians. They might like it, they might not. I am not a Mormon, btw, just used to live where there were a lot.
I agree it's probably not going to happen, But 🤣🤣 the voting is ONLY on Talking about it. It's NOT voting to do it. She wants us to talk about it, but she doesn't want us to vote to talk about it!!!.
They have been talking about the mistreatment for decades, it doesn't do any good unless the legislators start talking about it. And that don't happen unless the people vote for them to Talk about it. Seriously, they do votes just to adjourn🙄. I would prefer them to talk about fixing the problems. And MAYBE this movement will do that..
It's not a feeling
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it's the facts!! this news reporter Can't stop beating around the bush about the truth of the matter.
It seems to me that city law/government should separate from country. City problems should not be country problems. I'm an Idahoan, y'all are welcome in my book but I'm not political or business savvy so idk
Why not travel to Moro, Ontario, Boardman?
Those that are opposed to changing the border offer, no solutions to alleviate the political isolation of eastern Oregon. In the end, it comes down to the majority party in the legislature being less progressive about all of the laws and rules that they have an acted in intent to continue to enact. Stopping the use of diesel and then attempt to force people into electric cars is just one example that’s a non starter for rural areas.
Yes, we heard you, you don’t think it will ever happen. So you’re just over in Eastern Oregon for a non-story I guess.
So find someone who’s business is at risk with any move. What did anyone expect her to say?
So we've heard from a single pub owner. how about telling us what you learned by going up those old logging roads. My son who hitchhiker to Portland at 17 is moving to St Louis at 35 because he feels safer walking around the streets at night.
Hold up, is she complaining about something that happend 40 years ago?
Never going to happen.......
You can cope all you like mate.
They would get lower pay? What about taxes? Looks like they should sit down and compare Idaho's laws with Oregon's laws. I heard that after the votes are in, then legislature votes. Which, for some reason, will take six years. Forget why exactly.
Hilarious. I grew up in Idaho and I left it in my early 20s and I have never missed it. Most of my friends that grew up in Idaho have moved away and they don’t miss it.
People should know that in the early 2000s over 86% of Idahoans voted for tournaments and the Idaho Senate ignored them. Let me repeat that the Senate ignored them. It was the death of democracy in Idaho and the nation did not notice and the people of Idaho did not care that their own senators told them we hear what you voted for but we don’t care. The Senate said they were not going to uphold civilian votes because the people were naïve and didn’t understand that those men had been there for so long that if they left the entire state would collapse and have a major problems so in the interest of the state they overrode democracy. It has the lowest minimum wage in the nation. And it used to have a low cost of living but that has changed over the last five years and the apartment that I used to live in in Boise now cost $200 less than the apartment that I live in in San Diego. I make over $10 more an hour in San Diego doing the exact same job. The cost of living in Idaho is in sane! And if that’s not enough think about this it is a big government state it is a nanny state it protects you from yourself. Marijuana is still illegal. Speed limits are intentionally driven down to 20 mph even in a four lane zone with no residential areas. In California I get 32 miles to the gallon when I go to Idaho it drops down to 25 miles to the gallon. The reason is because they put stoplights and stop signs at every intersection and the speed limit is usually 20 miles an hour this means your vehicle never generates enough forward momentum to let off the gas and you are constantly sitting at intersections with a very long time the lights even if you were the only person at the intersection you can sit there for several minutes with your car idling. In California in orange county I could drive 10 miles and it would take me approximately 10 minutes in Boise Idaho I tried to drive 4.6 miles to my friends house and it took 25 minutes simply because 20 mile an hour speed limits with stoplights at every block.
I’m finally the people in Idaho actually believe that there are more billionaires in idaho per capita than any place in the world because that’s what their statesman newspaper tells them. I have never tripped over any fancy cars in Idaho because they don’t exist because the people up there are broke. There are more Mormons per capita than any place else in the world so you’re going to live with a bunch of people who wear funny underwear they believe is blessed with God who will tell you that marijuana will lead you to the devil and that supporting your local business on a Sunday is blasphemy towards God. Oh yeah Idaho’s a great fucking place to live if you hate America
They found most rich dirt in Oregon right on Nevada border huh, Idaho money money money.
The problem as it currently stands is that Republicans apparently think that if they lose a vote that means the vote wasn't fair. Which is beyond comprehension but we just have to accept it I guess. Down there in the comments people are saying things about the numbers of voters. Like registered voter numbers equate in ANY way to voter turn out. Democrats are apparently more likely to vote lately. It hasn't always been that way.
The Northwest logging/lumber industry has its tentacles attached to executives with maps on walls in high rises as far away as New York, London, Berlin, and Tokyo. It wasn’t the Spotted Owl that caused the decline of the Timber industry-and hurt families that had logged the forests for generations. And it wasn’t the fault of Conservationists who became an important voice for our over logged forests resulting in catastrophic damage to our ecosystems.
Follow the money.
The forests of the great Northwest are a fraction of what they had been in the past. Greed blinds people of nobility and simple common sense. Do you have to log every last tree? Has it ever occurred to you that replanting a once thriving forest with a single species can never produce a thriving ecosystem for the long run? That a forest is by definition full of diverse species; including countless critters like frogs and insects and millions of tiny organisms that play their parts in maintaining their thriving communities? All of which are killed by the implementation of modern logging practices-including the spraying of pesticide poisons after a site has been clear cut.
The karma finally caught up with the industry.
I worked for a number of years for the USFS in north Idaho. The easy timber was taken out of the forests over many, many years of logging. Yes, there is still timber there but it is not as good as it used to be and it will damage the land to get it out. The environmental impact will be greater too since much of the other forested areas have already been logged. The Forest Service I knew didn't do clear cuts but commercial forests may still do it. You have to be careful about who you blame for bad forestry practices, be it federal, state or private.
Boise is becoming another Austin-TX surrounded by Red.
No 3/4;of both parties of the government are going to vote for it so why keep pissing off everyone? It's got me pissed and scared. We need an I.C.E. facility if anyth😮!!
For your mama 😂
What I don't understand about the concept of moving the OR/ID border is what happens to the demographics as the decades and centuries pass? Many people in Eastern Oregon do not feel heard by the governance of Oregon and want to be better represented. That I understand. But what happens, and it WILL happen... when these areas get built up and the public's needs evolve away from the current needs? These areas will not remain rural 200 years from now and public needs will change and the scenario of wishing a border was not moved way back in 2023 could become real. Is anybody considering the long-term impact of moving an existing border. Personally, in 2023, I am good with whatever they do as I split time between both states.
This bow hunter is definitely a Trumper . I hope he realizes that Idaho had a sales tax
But consider the dark side of Idaho politics? Values not just conservative but also racist, and patriarchal in many places. Consider the utter arrogance of white male politicians framing policy for women’s reproductive rights. And a state that seems to welcome Far Right extremist groups and Militias who care little for human life.
Portland lost 2.5 % of its population in 2022. Walmart left, Cracker Barrel folded up shop . The move is already occurring.
I love 1188 Brewery. I appreciate the balanced reporting on this. However, my question is to have a conversation you need both sides to listen and right now it seems that is not happening.
The other side is common sense.
@@cageygirl32oregon78 Eastern Oregon has legitimate concerns and complaints. It would be nice if Portland recognized them.
Sure be interesting to see what the governor has to say about this on camera...
@@BrentGeorgeson eastern Oregon don’t want to be in a liberal state. They should just move just like liberals in conservative states do. You don’t move state borders to accommodate you because trump lost the election. Fuck them
@@chuckdriver9672 Yes it would be.
anyone who doesn't know this Portland per capita is full of hard drug users. Baker City per capita, is full of hard users... nothing like a good bowl of meth in the morning
She would rather keep getting people drunk than live in a RED State. IMHO I would think that Idaho would let existing Oregon business stay.
It's not just like portland is the only blue city on oregon, bend, salem, Eugene, corvallis, hood river, essentially the entire state, not woke persay but the majoity of the population in oregon are liberal
Certainly more to it... Eastern oregon pays lots of taxes and only receives a small amount back.. less than 30%... Then there's their ideas on education... And morals in general.. The few topics you touch on, doesn't really examine the great need for a separation... I don't even tell people I'm from Oregon... And yer never going to change the I-5 corridor... Let that sink in....