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The 'Greater Idaho’ secession movement is growing | Morning in America
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- The movement for parts of eastern Oregon to secede and join Idaho is gaining steam following an election this week. So far, 13 counties have voted in support of the idea. Voters in Idaho have yet to weigh in on the measure.
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Way to stand up Eastern Oregon. Much respect.
Please include every place in Washington state except Seattle Tacoma Federal Way Bellingham and the Olympia area (ports areas goto new state).
@@michaeladams9629 Maybe starting in Issaquah and going east.
We haven't seen standing up yet. There is NO WAY an authortarian Oregon legislation will allow this. This would literally take war. Oregon would call in Federal troops.....other States would have to get involved, Then the Federal Govt has to OK it. Not going to happen.
They don't want to leave they want to evict the leftist areas !
Practically no one lives there. So what?
I support this movement!
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@Rl082992,
I am just curious to know if you've looked into the pros AND cons of this movement/proposal.
😂😂 sighs, history once again repeating itself because people can’t learn from history
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We have already voted on not changing the daylight savings clock and they still keep doing it. Unreal how we can vote on something and then it doesn't get enforced.
OK so we can surmise more than half of voters don't know how to use a clock. Can they read a map? How about tie their shoes?
They can’t work out they are already free to live in Idaho anytime they want
Keeping the state in question inside daylight savings year round requires either approval from Congress or the Sec. Of Transportation.
Hpwever the opposite move (permanent standard time) does NOT require federal approval, i.e Arizona (minus the Navajo nation there still following DST)
I unfortunately reside in the People's Republic of Illinois and we feel the same way about Cook county and portions of the surrounding counties being left on their own in the cesspool that they have created.
I am sure people want to escape porker Pritzker's rule.
I for one am willing to let you guys join Missouri if you'll take St. Louis!!
Greater Iowa would welcome you both - just please let us give council bluffs to Nebraska.
The rural arears would quickly find out how dependent they are on the economic power of the cites. Oh they love to think they can do things on their own but cities subsidize most of our state's incomes.
Youre about to feel the exact same way, about Greater Idaho
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I live 15 miles from Portland and most of the people I talk to have thought about leaving Oregon because Portland has ruined this state. Portland is a mess.
Why is Portland a mess?
@@4lugan You living under a rock why not go on youtube and watch the last 8 years of what has happen there.
Tell those people to shut up and move!
@@seveglider8406 That's what they want---to be in another state.
@@4lugan you're kidding. Right?
This will open the door for other states to do the same.
So what.
Then I would suggest state governments start listening to their citizens.
It’s important for governments to be stable. There’s too much of an attitude these days of: the world should revolve around me, and if it doesn’t I’ll become an activist. If politics is super important to a person, then they should move to an area with a better fit. Shifting borders would affect all kinds of government departments, which would increase taxes too.
@@jeremyf9124 I don’t know that moving people from over half the land area of a state is feasible. Obviously, not everyone agrees with the idea; but when this many of your citizens are serious enough about changing direction then it’s time to listen.
@@jeremyf9124 The problem is that a few liberal cities impose their policies on large rural areas that have much more land than the highly populated liberal cities. Most rural folks do not want those liberal bankrupt policies force on them.
Any border changes need to be approved by congress. This is pointless.
yeah, most people keep forgetting this bit. They are so caught up in their emotions that they can't think beyond the first three steps, if that. And the voter turnout and vote difference is so small as to invite objection (Wallowa County, 45% voter turnout, 7 vote difference).
There's Alot of excitement and support from La Grande 👍
Eastern WA should join the movement. We are sick and tired of the county, King County, that decides every local and federal election.
Right. Then Portland and Seattle could merge into one big social dumpster fire. Almost moved to Idaho during COVID. Washington was the worst!!
There have been initiatives for Eastern Washington to be become a state and in the past for Northeastern Oregon and Eastern Washington to be a state. Everything east of the Cascades, in Oregon and Washington, should be part of a greater Idaho. Both are mostly rural, farming, ranching, and economically the same. I current live in Washington 7 miles from Idaho I would love to be part of Idaho.
@@douglasteachout1958 Yea! The strip of western Oregon and Washington could would be know as SS (Socialist Strip) :)
Yeah, maybe eastern Washington and eastern Oregon should combine into one new state,
Wokebegone.
Remember Northern California. Wanted to be its own state also!
They must be sick of the DEMOCRATS in charge..
I'm sick of the DEMOCRATS in charge and I don't even live in Oregon!!!
37 years and counting. 44 years for the city of Portland. And I'm sure you've seen how that city turned out. 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
@@danw2112 Chicago has become a hellhole under democrats..
*DEMONcrats*...fixed it for you 🙂
That's exactly right
As an Idaho native, I remember this movement happening every several years. It never got close to going through, and if I recall correctly, it’s because Idaho would have to buy that lands value from the parents state and the cost is entirely unfeasible for the state of ID to pay for (or want to pay for)
I love how they just ignore the other side and try to make it sound absurd when, in reality, they have no representation. They are farmers and ranchers, and the people of Portland have no clue what it is like. It's the same reason we left and fought a war with the British: some distant nation (or people) making choices for us without understanding us at all and not willing to listen.
not the same, the USA is one country, the UK is far away separated by a LITERAL OCEAN love how you skip important details
@@Azuria969 LOL! The United States of America is a republic, 50 different states with their own rights and governments. The Federal government has long been overstepping it's bounds.
Dirt and cows don't vote.
@@Azuria969”in order to form a more perfect union”. There is no union with leftist and conservative policies. They are like oil and water. I would say the division America is experiencing currently is significantly more tangible than that when the war for independence was fought. We are just a bunch of pansies today.
@@Azuria969 historical analogies are like teen sex, can't stop it from happening
If this goes through, it would set a precedent for other states tired of being strangled by one or two ultra-liberal city governments.
Sir this has happened multiple times. History just repeating itself
@@timstamps2935actually Sir, this has happened only three times and the last time was over 160 years ago. Which was before the civil war. So it would set a precedent for modern America.
@@chloedevlin6544 reread what I typed sunshine. The state split before the civil war. Also, I typed, “over 160 years ago”
Want to see how bad USA is getting wait till they attack the electoral college ! For a fast view of that look at communist Canada ran by 3 or 4 cities ! Ontario and Quebec ruling over the others ! Canada is mob rule dictatorship !
I certainly hope so. Then the number of votes each state gets in elections should change.
Make Idaho Greater Already
The state of Oregon will not want to cede all of that land to another state.
@@fishbone3333 hey, stop it with the REALITY, they hate it!
They should take care and actually represent the people in those counties then. Aka doing their job as a representative
We'd have to have congressional approval first, and Congress will never let it happen; but it would be incredible! I'd have to go east for sure!
@@fishbone3333it will give organ dems a super majority
My own brother, who lives in Portland and is one of the most laid-back/inoffensive people you will ever meet, reacted to my asking him about this by saying "it won't go anywhere because there's nothing in those counties anyone wants". He was surprised when I pointed out that Idaho has already been working towards incorporating these counties. He wasn't even aware there had already been elections in favor of the secession.
That lies the crux of the issue. “Nothing in those counties anyone wants” shows a total disregard for the people and their needs living in those “nothing counties”. I’m pretty sure that is the problem, a lack of awareness. Unless he stops eating food entirely, those counties have things he probably wants. Like food.
Really, we as a nation need to re-familiarize ourselves with the Tale of Johnny Town-Mouse. Rural needs are distinctly different than urban needs. Urban areas like Portland, (and in the future Boise) will always vote for urban style politics. (I reject usage of the terms Liberal/Conservative as being interchangeable with Democrat/Republican, which is also not interchangeable with urban/rural values.)
One of the original purposes of a bicameral system between a House of Representatives (to represent the population) and a Senate (to represent the “state”, originally open to each state’s interpretation, but originally for “the land itself”) was essentially to balance the needs of both the population and the primary stake holders in the state (traditionally the rural land holders). This has always been a source of political friction since the very first cities in human history, and this will never change.
In my opinion, changing the system in 1913 to directly voting for Senators as just another special class of “representatives” has allowed the urban regions with the necessary population weight to outvote the rural population into irrelevance. Our global urban system works very well for doing what it does, manufacturing, building capital, creating jobs, etc. It is why farming is no longer the backbone of developed country economies. However, we should recognize our cities are not really that different then the Mycenaean Palace Economies. When operated properly, these were the engines of civilization. However, later abuse of power over the “irrelevant rural population” that fed those same Palace Economies ultimately led to their collapse and destruction (allegedly).
Even the very idea that “This will never work, it’s a fringe minority” shows just how far rural values (which are usually conservative, but historically not always!) are disregarded in our present political state.
Still just hubris
And he misses the point-it's not about him "going anywhere," it's about the people in those counties wanting nothing to do with the western part of the state. He doesn't have to go anywhere LOL, that is just a silly and illogical thing to say.
@@DataBeingCollected food is a highly subsided industry in the US. There are a lot of states that put additional subsides into agriculture. Those countries wouldnt be getting as much of that from Idaho, but these short term decisions are something that has been happening for decades and will continue to keep happening for decades to come.
@@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74 Food is highly subsidized in most industrial countries. That is the reality of competing with countries with an agricultural focus. It is also a reality if you want food products that you normally can’t grow/get in your country. Some foods are also just better from certain regions.
Just like taxes for roads, I support continuing subsidies for domestic US farmers.
The alternative means pushing an entire skillset/trade into other job markets. Within one generation, the US will have largely forgotten how to farm, like the rest of the nation that already does not farm.
I am not interested in a future where we are scrambling to feed people and relearn farming as a nation if those cheaper foreign food imports are ever disrupted.
For the record, I live in a city and I don’t farm, but I know just how important farming is.
BLA...BLA...BLA.... Just like Texas......I would say come back to reality but as we've seen to many people have completely disconnected from it with no hope of return.The reality is you can't just vote on it to make it happen, but as long as the grift continues someone will make money off others peoples hopes.
When a significant number of a state's counties want to leave to join another state, you know the first state's government has really messed up.
This happens anywhere a state is dominated by a massive metropolitan area. The needs of rural are suppressed by the urban, which have very different priorities.
Bingo
@@randycook4742Yea. New York, Chicago, LA completely overshadow the needs of the rest of the state.
@@randycook4742 *WANTS of urban people. Not needs
And you also know that the first state will never agree to it because they know they depend on the conservatives for food, water, electricity, and all their tax income. Unfortunately, both states would have to agree and Oregon's government can't lose all those people they've been leeching off of.
In illinios everyone wants to separate from cook county of thugs
Until downstate taxes hit the ozone.
o not blame them. Cook county makes the whole state look corrupted and lawless.
Join Indiana then. Y’all are filling the suburbs of Indianapolis already.
‘everyone” ?
Please list “everyone’s” names
@@TrumpCantRead Your not on the list. Keeping voting for Biden, You'll love what he's got coming for you.
As a Texan, i support yall 100%
can't blame them!!!!!!!!!
You are right you really can not blame them for wanting a better life for themselves and there families thanks
@@user-jf6pz5jx8gIt would be amazing if it were to happen. Eastern Washington should become part of greater Idaho as well.
@@Deagle5000AE Well anything is possible in this crazy unpredictable society we currently live in. Thanks
I don't understand why they don't just move if they'd rather be in a state that isn't that far from where they currently live
@@Deagle5000AE it would be unconstitutional
Perfect example of a select metro areas having too much control over an entire state.
The sad thing is if states had EC style elections, we would not see these situations.
Land doesn't vote, people do. And there's more people in cities, that's just how that works
@@chrisd9700 The issue is however, allowing one densely populated area to determine policy for an entire state effectively disenfranchises the lesser populated areas. This is why we have the electoral college for presidential elections so 3 or 4 densely populated deep blue cities do not decide for the whole country
@@chrisd9700 The land and people that feed you, mine and harvest your wood and minerals, drill your oil, preserve your national parks and forests.
You better believe that land does vote as well. We rural folk have a duty to protect this land and our livelihood, cause it was how we were meant to live. We ARE more important than you guys, because you need us WAY more than we need you.
The liberal Boise metro area will control greater Idaho within a few years. Do not flee Portland control for Boise control. Make your own state or learn to deal with progressives in your state.
Been in Oregon since 1957....Bring on GREATER IDAHO! 👍👍🙋🏼♂🙋🏼♂😁😁
QUIT WHINING, shut up and move!
Been in Idaho since 1957..... Bring on GREATER OREGON 👍👍🤗🤗😁😁
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Eastern Washington Counties will want to follow as well. Rural areas are tired of being ruled by large city states. The Supreme Court really screwed everything up in the case of Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533 (1964) which said all districts had to have equal population, so an upper state house, like the US Senate, based on geography was made illegal. This shifted power to the cities and rural areas lost any voice they had.
Well too bad, one person one vote! Move to West Virginia if you don't like it! Only an idiot believes a county of 26,000 should have the same power as a county of 2,000,000!
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@@titojohnson7141 This right here!
Can we get away from King County here in WA. Make Idaho even bigger.
That's what I'm thinking
That’s what I saw on another video about this that if this ends up going through that states like California would follow suit
@@ghoststeppa9294 put the bong down
@@PendeltonWhiskeyInstead of replying with an immature juvenile remark,perhaps you should look at why the people in Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington are so dismayed they want the part of the state they live in to become a part of Idaho.
Yes, please let us join too
If congress is allowed to redraw districts citizens should be allowed to redraw borders.
They can.
But it would need final approval from the state legislature.
No politician from either party is going to surrender those tax dollars.
This movement is for extremely gullible types to swallow and make fools of themselves because something makes them cry.
And allocate taxes? Rural areas would lose their sugar daddy. Roads, communication infrastructure, electrical grid, hospitals, schools and bussing could not be afforded per capita.
@@ricinrothat’s not what’s going to happen.. the state of Idaho will immediately take over those services..
It would take them some time to get that set up, first. @@LANsolo12
@@ricinro then you must not understand the history of infrastructure; aside from notorious neglect after the fact, it's also all a product of tax money paid through services, not local revenue. If it was local revenue there'd have been no building out.
I hope we can do this in Virginia.. a couple counties in Northern VA decide every election and im sick of it
I'm from the Eastern Panhandle of WV, currently residing in NoVA, about to move back to WV. I wish you guys would get on this. We want you with us!
Good luck 🎉
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@@dhammawiwekantara bro likes his own comments. Pathetic
If the people want to do this and they follow the legal process, why not let it happen? Good for Idaho and Eastern Oregon!!!! I fully support this move!!!!
Why can't they just move to Idaho? Imagine if this happens and then "Western Idaho" becomes woke like Oregon did? Now that would be hilarious 🤣😆
I fully support this. These people have a right to feel represented and heard. Currently the costal areas dominate Oregon politics and ignore a huge part of the state.
Having lived all over Oregon my entire life, I can solidly say. There are 4 counties that control the state, none are located on the coast.
It's the same way here in Illinois, the only blue county is Chicago, the rest of the state is very red, but Chicago alone determines everything for the state
@@skatingsam96 Not really Lake, Du Page, Kane and Will are all blue as is Rockford, Moline, Rock Island, Champaign, Springfield and East St Louis.
Much the same as New York City holding sway over New York state! Here in Australia we have the same problem with the mainly left leaning, and populated, cities controlling the less populated country communities.
You need an electoral college in Oregon, so your vote has some weight against the majority on the coast. Interesting. 🤔
The back bone of America are fed up with liberal BS!
No the backbone of America, the vast majority of us in the middle, is sick of both sides BS
@@rudypericolo I agree! But that’s why Trump got nominated and won in 2016.
@timg185 Oh, I get it especially the way he was pushing some easy answers to some things that are just not working.
Looking at things as an independent this election and the last one were like voting to see if we get a national case of aids or cancer... or hemroids (RFK jr.)
Both options suck... but, I'll leave it at that since even as an independent, I'm kinda behind enemy lines here.
If I say something bad about Biden i think i gotta say something bad about that other guy too ;-)
Hopefully we'll start getting it sorted in 2028
@@rudypericolomainly dims. They are not for our best interest. They works against us in so many ways.
@@rudypericolo That's true. DemonRats and RINOs (traditional Rs) are being voted out in most districts.
I visited Portland twice for one week each time back in the Spring of 2003 and fell in love with it. Really serious about moving there but due to unexpected events ended up moving elsewhere. I'd have loved to live in Portland of the 90s and even the 2000s but especially after 2017 it went to bad fairly quick. Politicians in those Blue metro areas have done a great job for sure.
Bad times create strong men, good times create weak men (we are here btw)
We’ve been trying to do this for so long in California to no avail, I hope they can get it done in Oregon!
Instead of joining Idaho, eastern WA, eastern OR, and northern CA should create the State of Jefferson. That would give the GOP 2 more senators as well.
Creation of a new state is much more complex legally than moving the border between two consensual states. It would never pass Congress, which would have to approve the new territory.
@@JRPetruk No. It would never pass a Republican congress. If it benefited them, Democrats would do anything that gives them more power.
Since Congress eventually must approve any territorial revision, creating a new State would become a politically charged issue that could change the majority and minority in those legislatures. It would never get voted on, even if people in the prior States want it.
However, the movement of a State line has been done before in US history, and it's less likely there would be much resistance to it in Congress -- if the citizens involved in both States have approved the change. The balance of power in the US legislatures would not be impacted, there would still be 100 Senators and 435 Representatives.
Dems would want Puerto Rico in return.
If you adda new state then plan on puerto rico getting statehood to keep numbers even
Maybe California can follow suit??? Eastern California and Western California. It’s really mostly the coastal regions which are blue. 🇺🇸
love to see DENVER colorado to become its own entity as well rest of colorado would love to be RED
Coastal areas where the creativity and income for the state come from, so it might not be a great idea to create a part of California that has the appeal of Alabama.
@@Alfred.E.NewmanThe problem is the red areas will be poor and will want federal tax dollars because they will lose all of that $$$ they get from blue Denver.
You would be surprised how many people are sick of it here in Los Angeles
@@jhernandez860 Te creo! I believe you!
This will never ever happen. Other states have tried this for years in the past, and the idea always fades away. Never ever.
This is completely stupid.
left or right, dosent matter, Oregon would never just give it over, there is a ton of natural resources AKA money on that half of the map, and McDermitt Caldera, which is paerly in AZ but will be a new gold rush.
VOting aside which is not how state lines are made,
What would oregon get from Idaho
@@kevinkruse88 not having to maintain all the roads and infrastructure for those rural district and be able to focus on the problem at hand and most populated areas
Love it, as a citizen of Oregon I couldn't agree more! Even though we'd never get congressional approval
Just move to Idaho.
Congress would never survive the political backlash if they blocked it. It would spark the Civil War.
Problem is the counties moving to Idaho isn't large enough. This movement leaves behind many conservative counties.
I would much rather see the 30 Conservative counties become separated from the 6 liberal Oregon counties.
@@Aaron-pb5xy why should they move ?
They would approve it instantly if you were breaking away from Russia...Its Their Right! They wiuld cry.
The same problem is all over America. Conservative rural areas are overwhelmed by liberal cities.
In Illinois, most of the state (geographically) is conservative but Chicago imposes its policies on the entire state.
It's because, in general, the cities have higher populations and create the majority of the money in a state
The issue is both Dems and Republicans are right wingers but Dems are wolves in sheep's clothing that are fake conservatives AND fake progressives. Their policies benefit people in big cities only to an extent while completely omitting rural areas when in reality we should all be voting more progressive, like the extent that Europe leans left where even rural communities benefit from low prices, workers rights, and heavy tax regulation on companies and those taxations go back to farmers and rural folk as well.
New York is the same and the up-state areas have lost their businesses and populations as they are governed by New York City.
@@jager6863I wouldnt mind if chautauqua county joined PA. Im tired of the NYC bs.
Democrats win in Illinois because they do things for most areas of state and Republicans have done a terrible job of governing.
It's not the state line that needs to be changed, but rather the hearts of men and women. The people of Idaho needs to pray down a revivle and watch GOD work.
*Oregon, Idaho isn't the one trying to make this happen
As a person who has never been to Oregon nor Idaho in my life, they should totally do this!!!!!!
Then even less so, does your opinion matter.
@@UTBOY03 That’s the joke
Good job! I stand with Idaho!
I wish upstate NY could succeed from NYC, it’s like a weight on our feet while trying to swim.
I wish Sioux Falls could secede from South Dakota, but we can't have both ways.
NYC brings in 80% of the state's money. Without NYC you would be another west virginia poor and lost
The problem is you would have to become your own state because Vermont is a liberal shithole as much as nyc.
New York taxes are arse because of NYC.
@@nwilt7114Originally from the Buffalo area, unfortunately when it comes to state elections. Those upstate cities are satellites of NYC.
This should tell the government of Oregon that over half the state can't stand with their stupid politics.
LIKE THEY CARE? THEY DO NOT WANT THEM IN THEIR LITTLE PARADISE, THEY JUST WANT THE TAX MONEY OTHER WISE PORTLAND AND THE LIKE WOULD HAVE ALREADY KICKED THE EAST TO THE CURB.
If "over half the state" is unhappy with their representation, shouldn't that be enough to win elections and get new representation?
Over half of the land area isn't over half of the population. Without meaning to be ugly here, isn't this a fight between counties with more cows and pigs than people vs the urban areas?
@@warpriestIII So what if it is,apparently the people Western Oregon don't care about the people who live in Eastern Oregon, and the Governor and the legislature apparently don't care about the issues of the people there either, it's as if the people in Eastern Oregon are completely ignored,which is similar to taxation without representation in that they have no voice politically,no matter what they want done,it will never happen since the Governor and legislature only care about what the people in Western Oregon want,perhaps they need an electoral college for the Governorship,with each country getting one vote each,and whichever candidate wins the most counties wins the Governorship,perhaps that would calm things down a bit.
@@hubertwalters4300 Then I would invite the populace of those 13 rogue counties to not let the door hit 'em where the Good Lord split 'em, sell their land and high tail it to Idaho, because guess what? Respect and concern among the adversaries here goes both ways and I'm fairly sure Eastern Oregonians could not be less interested in solving this either.
Believe me, eastern Washington wants some of this action too. Washantonians from the inland northwest have been tired of Seattle and Olympia's crap for decades now. They pull the same stuff Portland has been for years.
I went to HS in the Tri-Cities in E WA. Guess what? Without the funding that is provided by the vastly more wealthy parts of Western WA and OR, the vast majority of residents who don't own large plots of land - can say goodby to their roads, their healthcare, and most other social structures paid for by the Western halves of their states. Also, ID takes a much larger chunk of Federal subsidies to take care of their farms/Infrastructure than either WA and OR, more than double OR, because ID is so poorly run at the local level. Finally, say goodby to all that weed money pouring back into rural WA and OR. ID will arrest you for even havingsome on you, let alone growing a business. Culturally, I get it, because Fox News is an echo chamber, but physically, it makes no sense. The minute E WA or E OR became ID the average citizen would immediately become a great deal poorer, have less access to medicine, education, and general infrastructure. Honestly, from a W WA and W OR point of view, I say let you all become ID... we would immediately become wealthier and be able to spread that wealth among fewer people across a smaller geography. We'd become like Mass or RI, while you all would end up like West Virginia.
@@MysticCrossroads Your isolated example doesn't speak for this apparent savior complex that you seem to think the westside has. The westside of Washington takes a lot of tax money collected from residents on the eastside. That's partially why our roads are already bad and continue to stay that way year after year. There was even a point where money for fixing roads was sent off to help pay for the ferry service on the westside. A service almost no eastsiders ever use. The agricultural goods could become very very expensive to the westside if the game were played the way you're insinuating. Also don't make the mistake of thinking I even listen to Fox News, let alone any news channel. Like Denzel Washington said, "If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed. If you watch the news, you're misinformed."
One problem with this map... It does not include the counties from Eastern Washington!
You can get that ball rolling. The movement is set up with multiple phases to make it more manageable. Start pushing to be part of phase three.
Because this is so stupid. It's just a never-ending game. The people of Spokane and Pullman don't wanna be a part of Idaho.
@@RFKtoenail Do they want to be part of California North? I do not think they want that either.
Idaho would love all the extra seats in congress.
Moving AZ and NV borders west would totally gut the socialist powerbase on the Pacific coast.
@Golfnut_2099 No, they probably just wanna be apart of Washington
The only people who should be deciding this are the citizens of those 14 counties. And Idaho legislature.
The politicians in Oregon coastal counties should have NO SAY.
They have ignored the wants and needs of the residents of Oregon for too long to complain now.
Best comment.
More than 14 Oregon counties want to leave. Idaho would have beachfront property.
They have not ignored the wants and needs of the residents of Oregon. It is just that your side tends to lose the vote on most things. That is Democracy. If you are right, do the work to convince people instead of complaining that it is not fair.
@@easyduzit6118 Good point, but I think they’ve been struggling to get their voices heard. I fear the country is going through a seismic shift in ideology, and I believe some new borders are possibly in order. I certainly believe conversations could be had.
What about the people who live in the Oregon counties that don’t want to join Idaho? Should their homes still be considered Oregon?
Just flipped the bird to western Oregon and join The Great State of Idaho.
As an Oregon resident I would love a change in government. Our current government is not only corrupt but incompetent.
😂😂 conservative 😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Western Oregon will never let go of their serfs. Same story for Eastern Washington counties only with Western Washington not wanting to loose their serfs.
100% Knowing that people are subjugated under their rule gets them off. What good is power if you have no one to wield it over?
The easiest solution is just to move to Idaho.
buddy, everyone is a serf
Portland would be better off not having to prop up the rurals.
@@Nun195 Then they should let them go. we all know they will not though because they live on the back of the rural working class.
As a resident of Idaho who once lived in California, I understand what eastern Oregon residents are going through. I'm very conservative and felt like my vote never counted in California. The concern of conservative Idaho residents is that you can be far right of Portland politics and still be quite left of Idaho. Adding those Oregon counties would shift Idaho politics to the left over night. I would much rather see East Oregon become it's own separate state. Unfortunately that has a zero chance of passing nationally.
still stuck in commifornia
I'd love to see Eastern Oregon, Eastern Washington, and northern California combine into a new state
@@jervaughn6043 call it Jefferson?
As in Thomas? The founder of today's Democrat Party? Bad idea!
YOU are the problem.. GOHOME
STOP DIVIDING US WITH POLITICS. THIS IS BEYOND TRIVIAL. WE ARE NOT SEPARATE!!!
Eastern Washington needs to join too!!!
Remember "no taxation without representation "?
Same idea
You have representation. You just don’t like it. Tfb
@@robertmeyers3640 define representation
@@deadlyta you get to vote for your legislature and governor. You are representatives unlike colonial America.
@@robertmeyers3640 voting doesn't automatically mean the person represents you
@@deadlyta That’s what the revolutionary term meant. Not that your guy wins. Do I say that if Trump wins and I’m a Democrat. ABSOLUTELY NOT. I got my day and in opposition. I am part of the system
EASTERN WASHINGTON OS IN THE SAME POSITION !! WE WANT LIBERTY STATE !!
Walla Walla has been infiltrated by Cali people, it’s as blue as King County
Save washington from the democrats.
No, we don't. There would ne no "Liberty" in the state of Liberty.
State of Columbia
Pero no quiero más
I’m 100 percent for this.
Best wishes to East Oregon ‼️👍🏻✌🏻️
I support these Americans who want freedom.
As long as they don't try to ban abortion or outlaw cannabis I'm fully on board with their movement.
The movement is really all about that. Having representation and being able to be free from government intervention in your life. Just as the founders intended.
@@FirstLast-qf1dfThey’re trying to join Idaho. Are you dense?
@@FirstLast-qf1df move to CA or Colorado or stay in Portland. This has nothing to do with your weed or abortion. The movement is all about FREEDOM
@@PardonTheInteruption1 Colorado doesn't need ONE more Liberal!
Those 13 counties should all stop paying state taxes. Issue will get resolved fast.
THAT would derail any chance of ever getting it approved, not speed it up.
And many people would be fined and serve jail time, for evading taxes.
@@rayrussell6258 Oh you'd be surprised. And what are they going to do? Put half of the state in jail. A lot of violence would come before that. They don't even have the capacity to deal with such a volume of cases.
It would take a lifetime to process and go through a million individual cases, each with their own lawyers that would no doubt drag and delay it all into oblivion. The government is nowhere near as capable as you think it is.
@@Cryptocracy_Now That area is so sparsely populated, there would be no problem with finding jail space. They wouldn't jail the whole family, just the head of each family.
Remember, Dems spend like drunken sailors, so they would just build more jail space. Lawyers are mostly Dems, so they too would expedite handling the cases, after dragging things along until the jails are built.
But the bottom line is really that the actions of tax evaders would harden the attitude of Americans against approving the move of that State line. So not paying taxes must not be done.
@@Cryptocracy_Now that area is sparsely populated, and the entire family would not be jailed, only the head of each household.
They would find enough jail space, even if they have to delay cases until jails are built.
But bottom line, tax evaders would be frowned upon by Americans who pay their taxes, and that would give politicians more ammo to deny the movement of that State line. A protest of not paying taxes should not happen, period.
This is outrageous! Its nonsensical and just weird.
I mean think about it, why _shouldn't_ Idaho have sea access?
Idaho does have sea access on the snake river. It has the most inland sea port in the USA.
Go for it ! Congrats !
Eastern Oregon Lives Matter
As an Oregonian, I genuinely hate how, rather than taking a look at how our state is being run (horribly), the Democrats just say that the folks east of the cascades need to just shut their mouths and quit whining.
That's not how a representative government works, but the democratic leadership of my state (and it seems, the nation) have forgotten that fact.
That's exactly how it works, if you the pieces of legislation you want passed aren't getting sponsored in your state legislature that means your views are an extremely small minority why should they be represented that's exactly what our founding fathers intended so sit down and be quiet or move to another state.
@malcolmx61 or, allow those that are not being represented to change the state borders so that they do have representation.
Also, it's not a "small minority." Numerous measures have been passed in Oregon recently with a 1% majority margin. Legislation that has great effect should be passed with a true majority so that mob rule isn't at play in regard to the making of laws and regulations.
I understand that may be a difficult concept for your smooth brain to comprehend.
Well.. 80% of the states population is along the western coastline.. higher population areas tend to vote Democrat.
Ergo, the part of Oregon that's empty and votes republican wants to leave.
I say let them.
They want a One-Party state and decent will not be tolerated
the reason they forgot is because they're "Democratic". In "Democracy" the people who lack voting power to control are stuck having to go along with whatever the ones in control do.
I grew up in Idaho, and I’m down to welcome conservative Oregonians; sounds like we’re the same at heart. It might also help offset the influence of people moving in from California.
Then Idaho will be the shape of a giant national middle finger! This has my full support.
I am from Michigan and support this
Its written in the first paragraph of the first founding document "it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another".
Pretty soon the majority of us are going to be living in the “Country of Idaho”. The rest of the states are going to be little slivers
I am an Oregonian and if these 13 eastern Oregon counties want Idaho values then these people can move to Idaho. This idea is rediculous.
The map outline of the new state looks like a big middle finger, kinda fitting!
It sure does. 😂
Our last Republican Governor was 1987. The Democrats changed the district lines and never lost another election and started “Vote By Mail” and the rest is history.
The reverse happens here in North Carolina. Republicans have jerrymandered the districts so that they can't lose. The SCOTUS could have stopped this but they didn't, according to them it's ok.
Vote by mail is a perfectly acceptable way to vote. Even Trump does it.
@@Youngstown529 sure. Sending ballots through the mail, and mass mailings in some states, perfect secure. Haha
The last Republican Gov in Washington was 81-85. Democrats ruined this state too.
I'd like to have Western Oregon join Idaho too!!
Support from an Oregon!
Take it to court and sue for relief from the stupidity that is Oregon.
I’m 14 miles from the Oregon border. This needs to happen. They are not getting represented.
I would vote for this.
They are being represented - currently by Cliff Bentz in the House (a Republican) and their state level representatives (also Republicans). The problem, for Republicans, is that they are heavily outnumbered in the state and they don't like it. I'm sure the heavily Democratic urban areas of every Red state feel the same way.
@@robertdickson9319In many places, cities tended to lean liberal historically speaking, the problem now vs then is that the policies have gone insane!!!
Like it, or not, nature will reestablish balance this coming election cycle!!!!
The people at large don't want this extremist liberal crap that is being foisted upon them!!!😁😁😁
@robertdickson9319 the big difference is the idiocy that liberals represent. Intelligent conservatives don't want to be around ignorant people who vote based on emotions and progress an agenda that makes everyone poor.
@@AsManThinketh That's rich....take a look at the leaders of your Republican party (especially over the last 2 days) for examples of people that do things based upon emotion. And any "intelligent conservative" would know that the 2564 counties that voted Trump in the 2020 election - hence Republican - only account for 30% of the US GDP. The 520 counties that voted for Biden account for 70% of the US GDP; tough to say that the "liberal agenda makes everyone poor".
Eastern WA & Eastern OR are financial drains on the budget of each of their states (much like how red states are a financial drain on the federal budget) - that will be the decisive factor on why Idaho would most likely say no to this entire endeavor.
@@AsManThinketh That's rich....take a look at the leaders of your Republican party (especially over the last 2 days) for examples of people that do things based upon emotion. And any "intelligent conservative" would know that the 2564 counties that voted Trump in the 2020 election - hence Republican - only account for 30% of the US GDP. The 520 counties that voted for Biden account for 70% of the US GDP; tough to say that the "liberal agenda makes everyone poor". Eastern WA & Eastern OR are financial drains on the budget of each of their states (much like how red states are a financial drain on the federal budget) - that will be the decisive factor on why Idaho would most likely say no to this entire endeavor.
Please bring Eastern Washington with you!!! Can we come too?!?!
I'm a native Idahoan. My vote is yes!
I don’t blame these people for asking to change the border,people are getting tired of the bull in Oregon and California ?😂😂😂
And Washington state!
The best thing would be to just simply get rid of the borders. State government functions are mostly redundant and should be handled at the federal or municipal level anyway.
If this happened, then most part of Virginia would do the same thing
Just give Alexandria back to DC. That would change the whole dynamics for voting in Virginia.
They already did 150 years ago, and any country in VA who wants to is free to join WV anytime.
@@randycook4742 You also have the rest of the DC suburbs and Richmond as well.
@@dvferyance We can give the suburbs away as a bonus gift. Think we are stuck with Richmond, but most of the left stuff would be part of DC and make Virginia more even keeled.
@@randycook4742I agree just Alexandria. They’ve been infiltrating our northern counties for 20 years now but some of our families have been there for 100s of years and don’t want anything to do with “dmv” or any of that.
This is awesome, needs done in a few other parts of the nation also 👍🏼
Good luck getting approval from both state legislatures, the U.S. House of Representatives, and the Senate.
Can't blame them, who would want Portland type politics.
It's not just Oregan.
Northern and Southern NJ, upstate NY, and the northern states of Pennsylvania from Pike county all the way to Ohio. I'm a trucker and everyone is revolting against city ways.
Western Maryland...
I support those who want to stand for American values! #Movetheborder.
They can be sick of Oregon all they want. Secession is literally IMPOSSIBLE, EVERY STATE HAS TO VOTE TO ALLOW IT.
I left Oregon for Idaho. Long term residents of Idaho do not like the large influx of Washington, California and Oregon refugees. I think it would be in Idahos interest to annex half of Oregon. Keep Oregonians in the part of the country they love and out of traditional Idaho. I love the state of Oregon, hated to move. But hate the politics enough to move to North Idaho.
It shouldn’t need approval from Oregon.
But it’s in the constitution
Why do you hate America?
Gerrymandering needs to end this will never hapoen
I support this totally. Get them away from the misery of Oregon politics. Oregon politicians are destroying that state. I think all states should be able to do this.
Good luck Eastern Oregon! We need the same split in California where the more centrist and conservative suburban and rural counties are dominated and disenfranchised by the big blue cities of LA, SF Bay Area and Sacramento. California should be split into 2-3 States. 1. The Coastal Belt, 2. Inland CA and 3. Nothern CA (where some folks also have promoted the idea of the new State of Jefferson).
MAKE OREGON GREAT AGAIN support the greater Oregon movement!
The new state looks like a middle finger. How appropriate!
This would be awesome. Multi-generational Oregonian here, Eastern Oregon is VERY conservative and VERY tired of Portland. They deserve the correct representation.
When I heard this story, I thought they were going to fix the weird northern panhandle. I've been to Idaho panhandle twice, and both times I've wondered "why did they connect this part of the country to Idaho? You can't even get here from Boise without weaving into Washington or Montana first."
The mining,railroad,timber Barron's of Northern Idaho wanted control over the region with Lewiston the capital. They didn't want to have to answer to Helena or Olympia. They bribed the surveyor to create the panhandle.
taxation without representation
End the occupation of East Oregon!
From the Snake to the Cascades !
As a former Oregonian, I may not have left if Oregon was permitted to split in two. The I-5 corridor is a poison that has been killing the entire state. Secede already!!!
This was started in the late 70's but gained ground these past few years.
State of Jefferson. Pretty much the same plan, except it was creating a new state instead of joining an existing one. I believe it was scheduled for a vote before the state congress (so much further along) just days after Pearl Harbor, but was derailed by the attack.
As an Idahoan, make your own state and don’t just assume we want to absorb you into ours. If you’re gonna complain about being controlled by a liberal Portland it’s short sighted to become part of Idaho and be controlled by a liberal Boise in 15 years. Boise is very liberal and it’s a fast growing city.
I was looking for a comment like this.
All the more justification for annexing conservative parts of Washington and Oregon.... to counter-balance the Boise liberalism!
I live in Boise. I grew up in Idaho. My values are conservative. Yes, we have liberal support here but I don't see it taking over the area. In fact, the Supreme Court just allowed Idaho's ban on gender affirming care for transgender minors.
@@catbriggs8362 Yeah the Supreme Court upholds what the conservative state government is doing. Regardless, if you live in Boise you must see how fast it’s growing. In 15 years Boise will be a large metro area dominated by liberals and the rural areas will still be small conservative communities. Urban areas are almost always progressive and as the urban area gets bigger, so will the libs.
If they joined your state they would actually help it with votes, no?
Greater Idaho is what We the People of Central and Eastern Oregon want.
If you support something like this, don’t whine and gripe about “snowflakes”!!! You ARE one!!!!
Southwestern Oregon should join Eastern Oregon in this move.
And those of us in Eastern Washington would also like to join Idaho.
@@catsplat839 I don't blame you. Good luck to the great people of Eastern Washington.