I feel for rural eastern Oregon residents. But Idaho is changing too. The city/rural divide isn’t serious here in Idaho…yet. Can’t say how that’ll be in twenty years. Best would be for western Oregon would listen to rural eastern Oregon.
It's so much less in Idaho. Boise, the liberal center of Idaho, is really pretty evenly balanced between the parties, with the rest of Idaho being ridiculously conservative. IMO even Bend is to the left of Boise, not to mention Eugene and Salem and obviously Portland which is probably more liberal than LA. Idaho is one of the top-5 most conservative States as measured by Presidential vote percentage. If Idaho picked up a bunch of Eastern Oregon, they'd be redder than they are now (although I suspect they'd tip on the marijuana thing).
@@JETZcorp …. Blaine County is probably the most liberal in Idaho. As it has the wealthy residents in Sun Valley. But the population is low compared to Boise’s Ada County
@@Idahoguy10157 You're right, I forgot about them. I remember driving through Hailey and wondering why a little 3-horse town had an airport 2x as big as the rest of the town, with more private jet parking than the local grocery store had car parking. Pretty outrageous contrast. But as you pointed out, Hailey is never going to out-vote Lewiston and Coeur d'Alene etc etc.
@@JETZcorp … With the Covid pandemic a lot of those wealthy people permanently moved into their vacation homes. They’re residents now. They have money to donate to their preferred politicians.
If Boise and the other blue parts of Idaho wanted to create Greater Oregon because they don't feel represented by their legislature, how would eastern Oregon feel? Something tells me they would oppose it.
Thing with that is, there really are no other blue parts of Idaho outside the Western Treasure Valley. Greater Oregon would just add a little I-84 corridor from Ontario to Boise and that'd be it. Frankly I think if you asked people in Orofino and Grangeville and Salmon etc if they'd like to trade away Boise and gain Eastern Oregon, they'd probably say that sounds like an absolute win. Just today I heard someone in Orofino complain that Boise stole the money that was supposed to go into Highway 12.
@@JETZcorp I'm midway between Orofino and Grangeville and I would cry if we lost the Treasure Valley, but lets lose North Idaho white nationalists, too. They're even worse.
The thing I can tell is that among conservatives one feels in a secure environment. Conservatives are predictable people with predictable behavior. Liberals are unpredictable people with undefined set of values. Each individual behaves differently in erratic ways which contributes to the levels of insecurity.
I lived in eastern oregon for a while of my life and it wasn't a great experience. I think the interview was great. I definitely understand the perspective because I lived there. It's frustrating to hear this because at the same time is that when I was living there, I experienced the same issues that they're experiencing just on a smaller scale. I'm a person of color, a gay man, and even I had dealt with a lot of hatred bigotry and racism. Even when I try to speak out about it. I was pushed back. To the point that someone told me that I should move away. So I had to move to Portland Oregon. I know a lot of people see the news and hear all the bad stuff here, but my personal experience living here has been better than when i was living in eastern Oregon, so i did move away. I'm not trying to fight with people who live in Eastern Oregon. I definitely understand the culture. I just feel that it's kind of hypocritical. They feel like they're not being listened, but at the same time they're not listening to other community members and their own communities. I was stayed in Eastern Oregon if it was more accepting. I don't think the community is bad but I just got pushed out and I had to move. Sorry for the bad grammar. I'm dyslexic
You think white people in non white majority areas get treated any better than you did? Everyone is uncomfortable being the minority. Being conservative in Portland is probably less comfy than being gay in Eastern Oregon.
That was an excellent anecdote, and explains how many of these rural communities end up being left behind; and, most of these folks prefer it this way... until it matters.
I'm curious how long ago you lived there? In my experience, most conservatives have softened a LOT on homosexuality in the last couple years. Sadly I don't think I can say the same for race relations, since all the pasty white kids who smashed stuff in Portland did so under the BLM flag, and that didn't play well on Fox.
They don't need to listen to you people. Because the government listens to u & whatever u want is passed into law. Them not listening to u hold no bearing on how u spend your life. The government not listening to them does
The same reasons why you moved from eastern oregon is the same reason I moved from Portland oregon. I was born in Portland and grew up there. There was never a racist problem growing up in the 80s and 90s in Portland. At least I didn't see it. Everyone had friends of all color. I started to notice under Obama that he started to fan the race hate between Everyone. I have been threatened and beat up because I was in a black neighborhood. They said I was white and didn't belong there so they ran me out of that part of town. Was happening allot and I even went down to those riots to see why everyone is so mad at each other. What I saw was white people being targeted even to the point of someone yelling here is a Trump supporter. Go up to the guy and shoot him dead. I left Portland, the place I grew up because white people are being hunted. But I am sure as a black gay guy you had no idea about this? Smfh is it some sort of revenge I wonder over something that the white person wasn't even alive for I wonder? Seems like it.
Thank you for this video.. and yep what if Idaho becomes another?? I do like the sound of JUST Easter Oregon. West always decides for the rest of the state and is not right.
I don't see why western Oregon can't just make separate laws that fit both sides, they managed to create 3 separate min wage laws just fine.. Have there gun control on the west side of the cascades, allow gun rights on the east side of the cascades, same with rec drugs. And water rights, More regulations on the west, less on the east side. So long as they comply with federal regulations. "ARTICLE I BILL OF RIGHTS 1.-We declare that all men, when they form a social compact are equal in right: that all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; and they have at all times a right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper.-" FIX the flipping problem instead of driving them away. Oregon's gov is supposed to care about ALL of Oregon, Not just the big cities.
I think water probably needs more regulation in the East. I think it's safe to say the planet Earth could be inside the core of the Sun and Portland would still have an unlimited supply of fresh water. Conserving water in the Willamette Valley is a joke; the only thing scarce is pipe diameter. The East side really requires more careful thought and engineering, like the other inland Western States.
@@JETZcorp Someone mentioned what would help. And I think it is a good idea., have pipelines going from the US south & east flood states going to all drought area states just like we have with N gas & oil pipelines but with water. All the dry desert areas could flourish.
@@KEW1945 My understanding is the volumes involved, plus the cost make it impractical. It involves piping a couple orders of magnitude larger volumes of something that sells for a couple orders of magnitude less per gallon. Like, you could run a couple trains per day and get similar volume to most long-distance oil or gas pipelines; a major river is on a whole different scale. For comparison, the biggest parts of the Keystone pipeline system are 36" (3ft) in diameter and deliver 110,000 cubic meters of oil per day. The Los Angeles River, which is a pretty dinky river in the grand scheme of things, rolls on average 550,000 cubic meters of water a day. The Colorado River is 100x that size.
@@JETZcorp Iv done some research on this and If it can be done with oil and N gas, it can be done with overflow floodwaters, the lives and damages floods take every year is well worth the price. Flooding on an average cost $4.6 billion per event, with up to hundreds of lives lost. In just a few years it would pay for its self with fewer damages and lives lost. "a major river is on a whole different scale"... Short version. All they need to do is dig or make concrete canals leading to storm drain sewers that lead to the pipelines, open the canal before flooding starts. Farmers & ranchers do it all the time. Klamath Falls did a similar thing years ago, so water could be diverted from the Klamath river to California's dried up lower Klamath lake marsh duo to the railroad blocking off water years ago, so they say anyhow.… Water flows faster than oil, water is more denser than oil, that's why oil delivers 110,000 cubic meters per day and water so much more. A 36" oil pipeline cost 1.9M per mile, that's a lot of miles for just one flood event. And it would be even more miles duo to it wouldn't need all 36in like oil does, It may need 36in leading from the storm drain to the storage tanks, after that the most common pipe diameter for underground water mains is 6 to 16 inches. Have it federally funded, Government loves to waste Billions, it's time they spend those Billions on saving lives instead of on themselves and stupid wasteful studies like "Why monkeys fling their💩"... And it would produce jobs. I'm not talking about selling the water, it Wouldn't be for human consumption unless absolutely necessary with a heck of a lot of treatment.. It would be for agriculture farmers, ranchers, forest fires, dried up lakes, ext and only during flood seasons That would be saving the water that is for human consumption. California Lets Billions of Gallons of Fresh Water flow straight Into the Ocean, hurting their own state and most of all hurting marine life…can you imagine what would happen if they diverted that water to areas that need it? This is a US humanitarian issue to save lives to save property damage, not a flipping money issue… They can make something work, they just choose Not to.
@@KEW1945 Moving flood waters from the Mississippi river to the Colorado will never be more feasible than desalination or simply getting better at water conservation and recycling of water . Farms just need wetlands down hill from crops to filter and store the water used , to then take a big chunk out of the current water usage . It doesn't take much less water in the Mississippi river valley to shut down it's transportation usage . Plus then it creates a worse problem with coastal erosion at the river mouth . Ergo even after all that would get spent on infrastructure to move that water , it would still get limited quite regularly . And a 3ft diameter pipe ... what the heck are you smoking thinking that would do it ??? I thought you said you did some research ?
Mike Slinkard says he cares about the environment and is close to the environment. What he doesn't care about is climate warming. He doesn't think it's a problem that his local region is at all responsible for. He knows his region has water if the climate significantly changes. He knows his region can tolerate some warming. I think that's as deep as his concern for the environment goes.
Some of the farm tractors take the straight diesel and it's not like everyone has a hundred grand to upgrade to a new rig. People have the rights to make a living.
@@lithium25693 you're kidding me right? Type in declaration of Independence here in TH-cam. If you can't read you can have it read to you. Try reading first before arguing.
Yes. especially for California, Minnesota, New York and Illinois. If you look at their election map 20 and 22,majority of the counties are red. This will also serve as a safeguard preventing leftist migrants from messing up the state’s political culture.
Well, there's Virginia & West Virginia and North & South Carolinas... Why CAN'T Eastern Oregon secede and create their own state? I'm a 3rd generation, conservative logging/heavy equipment family Oregonian who'd finally had enough of the lawlessness, leftist pandering nonsense & indoctrination in '21 and sold my 5 properties in Portland and my business and moved across the country. I love Eastern Oregon and if they secede or become part of Greater Idaho, I would seriously consider moving back.
Oregonians grumble about Portland and then want Boise to do the same thing when Idahoans are told to choose the border change. Just Oregon not having a vote because of Portland, the Boise metro are of almost a million people runs Idaho the same way and then I have no power because I live in a rural county.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u Understood. 3rd Gen Oregonian here & I watched Californians do the same thing to Western Oregon for the last 40 years. But I don't see anything wrong with seceding & splitting Oregon to Western OR & Eastern OR states.
@@mimiashford5544 I have lived in Washington, both eastern and western parts, most of my life and I understand what's happening to Oregon. First off, Idaho wouldn't gain anything but more conservatives . We already have a seaport and Eastern Oregon is worthless when it comes to land use, otherwise people would live there. I'm not a conservative so more conservatives don't help me. I'm not a liberal but I lean strongly to anti-government libertarian, which is different from pro-life libertarians which are minor libertarian. People moving into Idaho, especially from California seem to follow conservative evangelical Christian nationalism which I think is by far the biggest problem in America. They seem to be concentrating in North Idaho, but 38% of Mormons are now Christian nationalists and 20% of Idaho is Mormon and many Mormons lean toward that nationalism. Recently the Mormon prophet told his people that they should not limit their voting to republicans but should also vote democrat, which seems to be a concern of Mormon leadership of a $230 billion religious enterprise. Most Mormons live in Twin Falls and east, although there will be two or three Mormon temples in Boise. Oregonians should join with the proposed state of Jefferson in California and to eastern Washington to make a super-conservative state. Why do they want to move to Idaho, a state that has very little usable land and is 83% or so owned by the government? If you look at a map you can see where the population is and isn't.
Why can't Eastern Oregon create their own state? Because the federal government would not vote for it. This is yet another movement, similar to gerrymandering, the adds conservative votes by redrawing lines. This is the only way conservatives have left to preserve their power in the United States.
@@mimiashford5544you don't see anything wrong with it, but progressives in the United States certainly do because creating new small conservative states gives conservative political parties (Republican) more power by adding conservative senators and conservative House districts. I'm sure you must have thought of this.
Sheriff, if you want to help the people with drug induced or drug-related mental health issues, fight for an effort to fund that help. That would allow you to partially defund imprisonment of those people. You want imprisonment to be a stepping stone to helping them. Just cut out the middleman and help them. If you're finding it difficult to hold on to them voluntarily because they won't sit still long enough for treatment or they won't go to treatment, fight for laws that require people with their problems to get help.
Sandy Gilson believes people in her region are more self-reliant than people in urban areas. When it comes to global issues that are going to affect everyone like climate change, her region is not more self-reliant. Everyone will suffer from climate change even if specific areas don't get much warmer or don't lose water or don't lose the ability to grow food. Those areas were will be where everyone else who can't make it in the world anymore will want to go. That will be a change they'll find difficult to support. Her region wants to be producers and exporters of cattle related products and timber, like they did for over 100 years. She thinks nothing's going to change about demand for those products if the rest of the world has to shoulder the responsibility and deal with the fallout from climate warming. She's wrong. In her entire interview, what becomes clear is that she is tired of not having political power. She doesn't argue for what she has lost aside from having to keep guns locked up and wealth in the timber industry (she assumes the timber industry will make it through climate warming unscathed). If gun access in the home is her huge concern, go to the state legislature and argue for counties to be exempt from the egregious aspects of new gun laws. She doesn't consider that.
Sandy gilson likes to dredge up the self-protection aspect of guns and the effect gun laws are having on that. Let's remember that Oregon had a grand total of 34 homicides in 2022. Personal safety is not an issue there. Conservatives who say it is are simply afraid of people in Portland and they're afraid of their problems leaking to the east side of Oregon, and they think resisting the gun laws will protect them from that. But let's remember that the problems in Gary, Indiana don't isolate those people from problems in Chicago, and vice versa.
People like you are the reason why they want to separate. You keep trying to preach your religion of climate change the end is near garbage. You do realize there is no ranching or farming in Portland the city is paralyzed with an inch of snowfall and people starve because the Taco Bell is closed.
Slinkard is angry and frightened because he may be required to buy "renewable diesel" for his truck. He never says why this is a problem and the reporter doesn't ask him. He also assumes that in 7 years, alternatives to diesel trucks won't be attractive when billions are being invested to make them attractive. He's assuming he will still want diesel trucks.
Key words with climate cultist. "Billions" invested . Most solutions to a fake problem based on false science comes up solutions that are far more damaging and wasteful from batteries and the procces involved in mining to wind..... Nothing beats fossil fuel in efficiency except nuclear .
@@MUUKOW3 efficiency isn't the important factor. How much CO2 released into the atmosphere per mile driven is the major factor right now. How much other pollutants are released into the atmosphere per mile driven is another. Over the life of a vehicle, much less CO2 is released during the total lifetime of an electric vehicle then is released during the total lifetime of an oil fueled vehicle. And the CO2 released during battery production will continue to go down because CO2 released in manufacturing processes is directly related to how much energy is used during production which is directly related to cost. Capitalism will drive cost down. Capitalism will also demand that batteries last longer and longer and will demand that a given weight and volume of battery will carry the car further. So EVs will continue to get better regarding CO2 release. And existing EVs on the road will continue to result in less release of CO2 over their lifetime as grid power generators move away from coal and natural gas, which is also what's happening.
@@bobbabai You do realize plants consume co2 and the science of co2 causing any kind warming is pretty shaky. Anyone that has taken a basic geology course pre indoctrination will know the earth changes through time and it has nothing to do with tailpipe co2. Did you know that the salt flats in the deserts were once oceans? Or that there are trees and animals frozen under the ice. This all happened long before the automobile and will continue long after. The the things being done for your climate religion will end up starving and freezing many as shortages and lack of power make life harder and increase the control from the few . Of course that's the end game of the whole climate religion stop the freedom and wealth of individuals and have a controlled collective.
@@MUUKOW3 you are either lying or ignorant because the experts who study climate aren't saying that at all. The high temperature records keep piling up year after year, both locally in most places of the world and globally. The effects for anybody over the age of about 40 or 50 are easy to see within their lifetimes. You're just stirring up shit. You don't get to place doubt here without you explaining how your information source is better than what the experts are saying. Fuck off.
@@MUUKOW3 you are also ignoring the boost the economy that this whole new technological direction is giving to it. What will come from this, if we survive the massive flow of people and disruption of agriculture, is reduced warming (eventually) and a boosted economy. Until that all settles out, it's going to be relative chaos because it's all happening so quickly. And the speed of how it's happening is something you're not addressing at all.
I live in Salem, grew up in Aumsville/Turner area surrounded by farming land. There is farm land that still surrounds Salem proper. I agree that rural areas are listened to. There needs to be a balance between what a populated city needs and what rural populations need.
I was born and raised in Malheur county where Idahoans constantly pour across the bridge to shop in Ontario to avoid paying the Idaho sales taxes. The four largest cities in Idaho are all within easy driving distance of Ontario and that's nearly 1/3 of the entire population of Idaho. This has always been a big money maker and job creator for Malheur county businesses. That will all end if the greater Idaho crooks are successful. Also, the pay rates for workers are far higher in Oregon. The minimum hourly wage in Oregon is $12.50 while in Idaho the minimum wage is only $7.50 per hour which is a whopping 40% decrease. Now picture yourself living in Malheur county when the state line is moved and from that moment on you're getting 40% less pay AND paying a 6 percent sales tax so effectively, your pay has decreased by almost 50%. The Idahoans who used to shop in Ontario are long gone along with all of the Malheur county jobs they created. Those businesses are no longer paying local taxes so there goes your local infrastructure (roads, schools etc.) Now you’re looking at boarded up businesses all over the place and the value of your house has plummeted. You could find yourself owing more than your house is worth. Oh and of course the Idaho sales tax rates as well as a lot of other taxes will have to skyrocket to pay for the Greater Idaho land grab. That MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR bill will have to be paid and want to guess who's gonna pay it? YOU! Now your living in a dead town, and even if you’re lucky enough to still have one of the few jobs around, your wages have plummeted and God help you if you have a mortgage because you could end up upside down in your house and find yourself walking away homeless. Maybe that won’t happen to you but it will happen to some of your neighbors which will leave houses boarded up driving your houses value down to the ground. Yes, this is a bleak outlook but don’t pretend this can’t happen, it’s already happened to many other communities around the country. You are not immune. If you're an Oregonian you'd have to be completely brain dead to think that this BOONDOGGLE is a good deal for you but unfortunately there are a whole lot of zombies walking around these days.
@@russiasgreatestexports4026 You're lying. There is no sales tax in Oregon and Ontario sits on the Snake river which in that area is the border between Oregon and Idaho. It's literally a bridge length away or actually half a bridge length from Idaho, something like a quarter mile. Are you too stupid to be able to read a map? Oh wait, you're actually a Russian so of course you wouldn't be able to read a map. Putin probably doesn't allow maps in Russia. Interesting though that a Russian commie would take an interest in the Greater Idaho Bowel Movement. Obviously you like it because if it caught on it would destroy America and that's what you Russian idiots are all about. Life in a troll farm has to be a real bummer.
I like how kgw played folk music, like just down home inosent hart of gold people. That's not true! Greed, hate, and everything else every human has! I've worked over there several times. Sorry, Rich! Progress has been happening since Donner pass, and the settling of the west won't stop! Even Idaho and Wyoming! Just move there! Your resistance to compassion is the reason for the settlement of the west!
Why would Idaho want eastern Oregon? Eastern Oregon is already a huge financial burden to western Oregon, what makes them think Boise is going to pay for all their stuff. Get better representatives to better articulate your grievances.
@@cspdx11 I’m not sure what that has to do with anything I wrote but as to food production eastern Oregon is mostly high desert which means their agricultural output is marginal at best. With almost any two valley counties producing more agricultural products in weight and/or value than the entirety of eastern Oregon.
@@Greater_Idaho I’m not sure having one of the poorest parts of your state leaving and bringing up the standard of living of another state is a good selling point. I’m not sure if that is the report I read but it suggested that Idaho would have to keep some of the Oregon taxes on the area for it to balance out for them. The 2% growth increase stated in the report was about the same as if they stayed in Oregon. gAlso the report I read didn’t take into account the large cuts in government spending and the negative effects that would have on the economy of eastern Oregon. It is an important decision that should be well thought out and not based on feelings.
Yeah, true, we got our own problems, and we have our own achievements. Why should we add more problems or share achievements to our great progress in 10 years, maybe
@@Greater_Idaho All that dry desolate country won't help Idaho and the argument about a seaport is a moot one because we already have a seaport in Lewiston. And if we want to buy marijuana, we can just cross the border to Washington.
How many stories are you guys gonna do about this crap? Report the news. Give updates on actual changes, if anything actually manifests. If you do a report on it every week it seems like you’re just trying to help it along. Who’s paying you for the coverage?
@Please Stand By Oh thanks for letting me know. To be honest I didn’t watch past a minute. I did, however watch more than half a dozen segments about it over the last few months and they were pretty much all the same. Lots of complaining and bitching, but nothing actually to show for it. Just living in a fantasy land.
@@SupportTheArts-yo8ox It is the other way in lots of places. I’ve lived in conservative states and cities. I get along well with pretty much anyone. Having different political views doesn’t have to change how well you treat your neighbors. I also knew that perhaps my views on things were in the minority and that there were a majority of people that would disagree with me, and therefore dominate wins in elections. To be fair I never voted in those places so it wouldn’t have made a difference, it was what it was. If I lived someplace that I couldn’t stand because most people voted differently than me, I guess I probably would want to leave and find some place I could feel better at. But I have never felt that uncomfortable living with people who think differently than me. I’m glad we have democracy and that we govern based on what the majority of people want. (In theory at least. I don’t think either political party honors what its constituents want.)
Any thinking person could see wolves would kill livestock. Wolves hunt in packs, cattle are fenced in. I hope & pray Oregonians decide to stay. I’m in Western Oregon & know it won’t fix itself. My taxes are high too. Real estate sells for $100,000 an acre of raw land.
I don't care if others want to live in Idaho, I like being an Oregonian. Unfortunately, I lack the money to move away if this stupid movement actually succeeds. Then what happens to my right to live in the state of my preference? It's just nonsense!
The rancher wants a world without change at the expense of whatever species get in the way. Wipe out the threat. I don't know what the answer is to his problem with wolves. But there is a problem with his expectations. Ranchers used to coexist with wolves, killing them at will. What has changed?
Isn’t that sort of like taxation without representation?
I feel for rural eastern Oregon residents. But Idaho is changing too. The city/rural divide isn’t serious here in Idaho…yet. Can’t say how that’ll be in twenty years. Best would be for western Oregon would listen to rural eastern Oregon.
It's so much less in Idaho. Boise, the liberal center of Idaho, is really pretty evenly balanced between the parties, with the rest of Idaho being ridiculously conservative. IMO even Bend is to the left of Boise, not to mention Eugene and Salem and obviously Portland which is probably more liberal than LA. Idaho is one of the top-5 most conservative States as measured by Presidential vote percentage. If Idaho picked up a bunch of Eastern Oregon, they'd be redder than they are now (although I suspect they'd tip on the marijuana thing).
@@JETZcorp …. Blaine County is probably the most liberal in Idaho. As it has the wealthy residents in Sun Valley. But the population is low compared to Boise’s Ada County
@@Idahoguy10157 You're right, I forgot about them. I remember driving through Hailey and wondering why a little 3-horse town had an airport 2x as big as the rest of the town, with more private jet parking than the local grocery store had car parking. Pretty outrageous contrast. But as you pointed out, Hailey is never going to out-vote Lewiston and Coeur d'Alene etc etc.
@@JETZcorp … With the Covid pandemic a lot of those wealthy people permanently moved into their vacation homes. They’re residents now. They have money to donate to their preferred politicians.
To, not too.
Would like to see a story on what local Idahoans think about this. Do they have a movement of there own?
No movement. We just want to keep Oregon out, unless you want to become a Mormon and move to Idaho Falls, Pocatello or Rexburg. That would ne OK.
Actually we’re ok with it, as long as everyone is conservative they can come to Idaho
If Boise and the other blue parts of Idaho wanted to create Greater Oregon because they don't feel represented by their legislature, how would eastern Oregon feel? Something tells me they would oppose it.
Thing with that is, there really are no other blue parts of Idaho outside the Western Treasure Valley. Greater Oregon would just add a little I-84 corridor from Ontario to Boise and that'd be it. Frankly I think if you asked people in Orofino and Grangeville and Salmon etc if they'd like to trade away Boise and gain Eastern Oregon, they'd probably say that sounds like an absolute win. Just today I heard someone in Orofino complain that Boise stole the money that was supposed to go into Highway 12.
No one would mind. Oregan can become greater Oregon with blue parts of other states & Red parts of that state will merge with other red counties
I thought Moscow was the only blue part.
@@JETZcorp I'm midway between Orofino and Grangeville and I would cry if we lost the Treasure Valley, but lets lose North Idaho white nationalists, too. They're even worse.
@JETZcorp ahh good old salmon idaho
There is indeed a cultural difference between the east and west, but the absurd sense of intitlement on either side is the same.
The people of eastern Oregon don't like the legalization of drugs. If they would just stop taking the drugs, that would be immaterial.
We have drug problems in Idaho...That listed each week I my local paper. I don't know of any place in North America that doesn't have a drug problem.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u Legalization/decriminalization of hard drugs doesn’t make the problem better, Portland is proof of that.
The thing I can tell is that among conservatives one feels in a secure environment. Conservatives are predictable people with predictable behavior. Liberals are unpredictable people with undefined set of values. Each individual behaves differently in erratic ways which contributes to the levels of insecurity.
I lived in eastern oregon for a while of my life and it wasn't a great experience. I think the interview was great. I definitely understand the perspective because I lived there.
It's frustrating to hear this because at the same time is that when I was living there, I experienced the same issues that they're experiencing just on a smaller scale. I'm a person of color, a gay man, and even I had dealt with a lot of hatred bigotry and racism. Even when I try to speak out about it. I was pushed back. To the point that someone told me that I should move away. So I had to move to Portland Oregon. I know a lot of people see the news and hear all the bad stuff here, but my personal experience living here has been better than when i was living in eastern Oregon, so i did move away. I'm not trying to fight with people who live in Eastern Oregon. I definitely understand the culture. I just feel that it's kind of hypocritical. They feel like they're not being listened, but at the same time they're not listening to other community members and their own communities. I was stayed in Eastern Oregon if it was more accepting.
I don't think the community is bad but I just got pushed out and I had to move.
Sorry for the bad grammar. I'm dyslexic
You think white people in non white majority areas get treated any better than you did? Everyone is uncomfortable being the minority. Being conservative in Portland is probably less comfy than being gay in Eastern Oregon.
That was an excellent anecdote, and explains how many of these rural communities end up being left behind; and, most of these folks prefer it this way... until it matters.
I'm curious how long ago you lived there? In my experience, most conservatives have softened a LOT on homosexuality in the last couple years. Sadly I don't think I can say the same for race relations, since all the pasty white kids who smashed stuff in Portland did so under the BLM flag, and that didn't play well on Fox.
They don't need to listen to you people. Because the government listens to u & whatever u want is passed into law. Them not listening to u hold no bearing on how u spend your life. The government not listening to them does
The same reasons why you moved from eastern oregon is the same reason I moved from Portland oregon. I was born in Portland and grew up there. There was never a racist problem growing up in the 80s and 90s in Portland. At least I didn't see it. Everyone had friends of all color. I started to notice under Obama that he started to fan the race hate between Everyone. I have been threatened and beat up because I was in a black neighborhood. They said I was white and didn't belong there so they ran me out of that part of town. Was happening allot and I even went down to those riots to see why everyone is so mad at each other. What I saw was white people being targeted even to the point of someone yelling here is a Trump supporter. Go up to the guy and shoot him dead. I left Portland, the place I grew up because white people are being hunted. But I am sure as a black gay guy you had no idea about this? Smfh is it some sort of revenge I wonder over something that the white person wasn't even alive for I wonder? Seems like it.
Thank you for this video.. and yep what if Idaho becomes another?? I do like the sound of JUST Easter Oregon. West always decides for the rest of the state and is not right.
I don't see why western Oregon can't just make separate laws that fit both sides, they managed to create 3 separate min wage laws just fine.. Have there gun control on the west side of the cascades, allow gun rights on the east side of the cascades, same with rec drugs. And water rights, More regulations on the west, less on the east side. So long as they comply with federal regulations.
"ARTICLE I BILL OF RIGHTS
1.-We declare that all men, when they form a social compact are equal in right: that all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; and they have at all times a right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper.-"
FIX the flipping problem instead of driving them away. Oregon's gov is supposed to care about ALL of Oregon, Not just the big cities.
I think water probably needs more regulation in the East. I think it's safe to say the planet Earth could be inside the core of the Sun and Portland would still have an unlimited supply of fresh water. Conserving water in the Willamette Valley is a joke; the only thing scarce is pipe diameter. The East side really requires more careful thought and engineering, like the other inland Western States.
@@JETZcorp Someone mentioned what would help. And I think it is a good idea., have pipelines going from the US south & east flood states going to all drought area states just like we have with N gas & oil pipelines but with water. All the dry desert areas could flourish.
@@KEW1945 My understanding is the volumes involved, plus the cost make it impractical. It involves piping a couple orders of magnitude larger volumes of something that sells for a couple orders of magnitude less per gallon. Like, you could run a couple trains per day and get similar volume to most long-distance oil or gas pipelines; a major river is on a whole different scale.
For comparison, the biggest parts of the Keystone pipeline system are 36" (3ft) in diameter and deliver 110,000 cubic meters of oil per day. The Los Angeles River, which is a pretty dinky river in the grand scheme of things, rolls on average 550,000 cubic meters of water a day. The Colorado River is 100x that size.
@@JETZcorp Iv done some research on this and If it can be done with oil and N gas, it can be done with overflow floodwaters, the lives and damages floods take every year is well worth the price. Flooding on an average cost $4.6 billion per event, with up to hundreds of lives lost. In just a few years it would pay for its self with fewer damages and lives lost.
"a major river is on a whole different scale"... Short version. All they need to do is dig or make concrete canals leading to storm drain sewers that lead to the pipelines, open the canal before flooding starts. Farmers & ranchers do it all the time. Klamath Falls did a similar thing years ago, so water could be diverted from the Klamath river to California's dried up lower Klamath lake marsh duo to the railroad blocking off water years ago, so they say anyhow.…
Water flows faster than oil, water is more denser than oil, that's why oil delivers 110,000 cubic meters per day and water so much more. A 36" oil pipeline cost 1.9M per mile, that's a lot of miles for just one flood event. And it would be even more miles duo to it wouldn't need all 36in like oil does, It may need 36in leading from the storm drain to the storage tanks, after that the most common pipe diameter for underground water mains is 6 to 16 inches.
Have it federally funded, Government loves to waste Billions, it's time they spend those Billions on saving lives instead of on themselves and stupid wasteful studies like "Why monkeys fling their💩"... And it would produce jobs.
I'm not talking about selling the water, it Wouldn't be for human consumption unless absolutely necessary with a heck of a lot of treatment.. It would be for agriculture farmers, ranchers, forest fires, dried up lakes, ext and only during flood seasons That would be saving the water that is for human consumption.
California Lets Billions of Gallons of Fresh Water flow straight Into the Ocean, hurting their own state and most of all hurting marine life…can you imagine what would happen if they diverted that water to areas that need it?
This is a US humanitarian issue to save lives to save property damage, not a flipping money issue… They can make something work, they just choose Not to.
@@KEW1945 Moving flood waters from the Mississippi river to the Colorado will never be more feasible than desalination or simply getting better at water conservation and recycling of water .
Farms just need wetlands down hill from crops to filter and store the water used , to then take a big chunk out of the current water usage .
It doesn't take much less water in the Mississippi river valley to shut down it's transportation usage . Plus then it creates a worse problem with coastal erosion at the river mouth .
Ergo even after all that would get spent on infrastructure to move that water , it would still get limited quite regularly .
And a 3ft diameter pipe ... what the heck are you smoking thinking that would do it ???
I thought you said you did some research ?
Mike Slinkard says he cares about the environment and is close to the environment.
What he doesn't care about is climate warming. He doesn't think it's a problem that his local region is at all responsible for. He knows his region has water if the climate significantly changes. He knows his region can tolerate some warming.
I think that's as deep as his concern for the environment goes.
Because climate change is a religion and a farce not real science. Just a giant money laundering scheme.
Thanks for this video, I haven’t seen much about this. A listening tour is a good idea on many issues. Could be a series if not already. Great work.
Some of the farm tractors take the straight diesel and it's not like everyone has a hundred grand to upgrade to a new rig. People have the rights to make a living.
where does the constitution say you have the right to make a living?
@@lithium25693 declaration of independence 1776
@@RayNomadic the declaration of Independence aka the Constitution doesn't say anything about the right to make a living
@@lithium25693 you're kidding me right? Type in declaration of Independence here in TH-cam. If you can't read you can have it read to you. Try reading first before arguing.
@@RayNomadic Show me exactly where it says you have the right to make a living? you can't because its not in there
Electoral college for state governors elections 💀
Yes. especially for California, Minnesota, New York and Illinois. If you look at their election map 20 and 22,majority of the counties are red. This will also serve as a safeguard preventing leftist migrants from messing up the state’s political culture.
Some people don’t like change, won’t change, don’t think they can change, and deny reality.
Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon should become a single state, not join Idaho.
Well, there's Virginia & West Virginia and North & South Carolinas... Why CAN'T Eastern Oregon secede and create their own state? I'm a 3rd generation, conservative logging/heavy equipment family Oregonian who'd finally had enough of the lawlessness, leftist pandering nonsense & indoctrination in '21 and sold my 5 properties in Portland and my business and moved across the country. I love Eastern Oregon and if they secede or become part of Greater Idaho, I would seriously consider moving back.
Oregonians grumble about Portland and then want Boise to do the same thing when Idahoans are told to choose the border change. Just Oregon not having a vote because of Portland, the Boise metro are of almost a million people runs Idaho the same way and then I have no power because I live in a rural county.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u Understood. 3rd Gen Oregonian here & I watched Californians do the same thing to Western Oregon for the last 40 years. But I don't see anything wrong with seceding & splitting Oregon to Western OR & Eastern OR states.
@@mimiashford5544 I have lived in Washington, both eastern and western parts, most of my life and I understand what's happening to Oregon. First off, Idaho wouldn't gain anything but more conservatives . We already have a seaport and Eastern Oregon is worthless when it comes to land use, otherwise people would live there. I'm not a conservative so more conservatives don't help me. I'm not a liberal but I lean strongly to anti-government libertarian, which is different from pro-life libertarians which are minor libertarian.
People moving into Idaho, especially from California seem to follow conservative evangelical Christian nationalism which I think is by far the biggest problem in America. They seem to be concentrating in North Idaho, but 38% of Mormons are now Christian nationalists and 20% of Idaho is Mormon and many Mormons lean toward that nationalism. Recently the Mormon prophet told his people that they should not limit their voting to republicans but should also vote democrat, which seems to be a concern of Mormon leadership of a $230 billion religious enterprise. Most Mormons live in Twin Falls and east, although there will be two or three Mormon temples in Boise.
Oregonians should join with the proposed state of Jefferson in California and to eastern Washington to make a super-conservative state. Why do they want to move to Idaho, a state that has very little usable land and is 83% or so owned by the government? If you look at a map you can see where the population is and isn't.
Why can't Eastern Oregon create their own state? Because the federal government would not vote for it. This is yet another movement, similar to gerrymandering, the adds conservative votes by redrawing lines. This is the only way conservatives have left to preserve their power in the United States.
@@mimiashford5544you don't see anything wrong with it, but progressives in the United States certainly do because creating new small conservative states gives conservative political parties (Republican) more power by adding conservative senators and conservative House districts.
I'm sure you must have thought of this.
Sheriff, if you want to help the people with drug induced or drug-related mental health issues, fight for an effort to fund that help. That would allow you to partially defund imprisonment of those people. You want imprisonment to be a stepping stone to helping them. Just cut out the middleman and help them.
If you're finding it difficult to hold on to them voluntarily because they won't sit still long enough for treatment or they won't go to treatment, fight for laws that require people with their problems to get help.
Sandy Gilson believes people in her region are more self-reliant than people in urban areas. When it comes to global issues that are going to affect everyone like climate change, her region is not more self-reliant.
Everyone will suffer from climate change even if specific areas don't get much warmer or don't lose water or don't lose the ability to grow food. Those areas were will be where everyone else who can't make it in the world anymore will want to go. That will be a change they'll find difficult to support.
Her region wants to be producers and exporters of cattle related products and timber, like they did for over 100 years. She thinks nothing's going to change about demand for those products if the rest of the world has to shoulder the responsibility and deal with the fallout from climate warming. She's wrong.
In her entire interview, what becomes clear is that she is tired of not having political power. She doesn't argue for what she has lost aside from having to keep guns locked up and wealth in the timber industry (she assumes the timber industry will make it through climate warming unscathed). If gun access in the home is her huge concern, go to the state legislature and argue for counties to be exempt from the egregious aspects of new gun laws. She doesn't consider that.
Sandy gilson likes to dredge up the self-protection aspect of guns and the effect gun laws are having on that. Let's remember that Oregon had a grand total of 34 homicides in 2022. Personal safety is not an issue there. Conservatives who say it is are simply afraid of people in Portland and they're afraid of their problems leaking to the east side of Oregon, and they think resisting the gun laws will protect them from that.
But let's remember that the problems in Gary, Indiana don't isolate those people from problems in Chicago, and vice versa.
People like you are the reason why they want to separate. You keep trying to preach your religion of climate change the end is near garbage. You do realize there is no ranching or farming in Portland the city is paralyzed with an inch of snowfall and people starve because the Taco Bell is closed.
Slinkard is angry and frightened because he may be required to buy "renewable diesel" for his truck. He never says why this is a problem and the reporter doesn't ask him. He also assumes that in 7 years, alternatives to diesel trucks won't be attractive when billions are being invested to make them attractive.
He's assuming he will still want diesel trucks.
Key words with climate cultist. "Billions" invested . Most solutions to a fake problem based on false science comes up solutions that are far more damaging and wasteful from batteries and the procces involved in mining to wind..... Nothing beats fossil fuel in efficiency except nuclear .
@@MUUKOW3 efficiency isn't the important factor. How much CO2 released into the atmosphere per mile driven is the major factor right now. How much other pollutants are released into the atmosphere per mile driven is another. Over the life of a vehicle, much less CO2 is released during the total lifetime of an electric vehicle then is released during the total lifetime of an oil fueled vehicle. And the CO2 released during battery production will continue to go down because CO2 released in manufacturing processes is directly related to how much energy is used during production which is directly related to cost. Capitalism will drive cost down.
Capitalism will also demand that batteries last longer and longer and will demand that a given weight and volume of battery will carry the car further.
So EVs will continue to get better regarding CO2 release. And existing EVs on the road will continue to result in less release of CO2 over their lifetime as grid power generators move away from coal and natural gas, which is also what's happening.
@@bobbabai You do realize plants consume co2 and the science of co2 causing any kind warming is pretty shaky. Anyone that has taken a basic geology course pre indoctrination will know the earth changes through time and it has nothing to do with tailpipe co2. Did you know that the salt flats in the deserts were once oceans? Or that there are trees and animals frozen under the ice. This all happened long before the automobile and will continue long after. The the things being done for your climate religion will end up starving and freezing many as shortages and lack of power make life harder and increase the control from the few . Of course that's the end game of the whole climate religion stop the freedom and wealth of individuals and have a controlled collective.
@@MUUKOW3 you are either lying or ignorant because the experts who study climate aren't saying that at all. The high temperature records keep piling up year after year, both locally in most places of the world and globally. The effects for anybody over the age of about 40 or 50 are easy to see within their lifetimes. You're just stirring up shit. You don't get to place doubt here without you explaining how your information source is better than what the experts are saying. Fuck off.
@@MUUKOW3 you are also ignoring the boost the economy that this whole new technological direction is giving to it. What will come from this, if we survive the massive flow of people and disruption of agriculture, is reduced warming (eventually) and a boosted economy. Until that all settles out, it's going to be relative chaos because it's all happening so quickly. And the speed of how it's happening is something you're not addressing at all.
I use to live in Texas and Arizona those states didn’t fit what I wanted for my life so I moved. Cancel culture is strong with these snowflakes
I live in Salem, grew up in Aumsville/Turner area surrounded by farming land. There is farm land that still surrounds Salem proper. I agree that rural areas are listened to. There needs to be a balance between what a populated city needs and what rural populations need.
I was born and raised in Malheur county where Idahoans constantly pour across the bridge to shop in Ontario to avoid paying the Idaho sales taxes. The four largest cities in Idaho are all within easy driving distance of Ontario and that's nearly 1/3 of the entire population of Idaho. This has always been a big money maker and job creator for Malheur county businesses. That will all end if the greater Idaho crooks are successful. Also, the pay rates for workers are far higher in Oregon. The minimum hourly wage in Oregon is $12.50 while in Idaho the minimum wage is only $7.50 per hour which is a whopping 40% decrease. Now picture yourself living in Malheur county when the state line is moved and from that moment on you're getting 40% less pay AND paying a 6 percent sales tax so effectively, your pay has decreased by almost 50%. The Idahoans who used to shop in Ontario are long gone along with all of the Malheur county jobs they created. Those businesses are no longer paying local taxes so there goes your local infrastructure (roads, schools etc.) Now you’re looking at boarded up businesses all over the place and the value of your house has plummeted. You could find yourself owing more than your house is worth.
Oh and of course the Idaho sales tax rates as well as a lot of other taxes will have to skyrocket to pay for the Greater Idaho land grab. That MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR bill will have to be paid and want to guess who's gonna pay it? YOU!
Now your living in a dead town, and even if you’re lucky enough to still have one of the few jobs around, your wages have plummeted and God help you if you have a mortgage because you could end up upside down in your house and find yourself walking away homeless. Maybe that won’t happen to you but it will happen to some of your neighbors which will leave houses boarded up driving your houses value down to the ground. Yes, this is a bleak outlook but don’t pretend this can’t happen, it’s already happened to many other communities around the country. You are not immune.
If you're an Oregonian you'd have to be completely brain dead to think that this BOONDOGGLE is a good deal for you but unfortunately there are a whole lot of zombies walking around these days.
Ontario has a huge sales tax and is eons away from Idaho.
@@russiasgreatestexports4026 You're lying. There is no sales tax in Oregon and Ontario sits on the Snake river which in that area is the border between Oregon and Idaho. It's literally a bridge length away or actually half a bridge length from Idaho, something like a quarter mile.
Are you too stupid to be able to read a map? Oh wait, you're actually a Russian so of course you wouldn't be able to read a map. Putin probably doesn't allow maps in Russia.
Interesting though that a Russian commie would take an interest in the Greater Idaho Bowel Movement. Obviously you like it because if it caught on it would destroy America and that's what you Russian idiots are all about.
Life in a troll farm has to be a real bummer.
It would be nice to have public school options where they don't indoctrinate children into believing people can be born into the wrong bodies
I like how kgw played folk music, like just down home inosent hart of gold people. That's not true! Greed, hate, and everything else every human has! I've worked over there several times. Sorry, Rich! Progress has been happening since Donner pass, and the settling of the west won't stop! Even Idaho and Wyoming! Just move there! Your resistance to compassion is the reason for the settlement of the west!
If they don't like Oregon, move to Idaho or vice-versa. State's borders will never move. It is all political interest.
Why would Idaho want eastern Oregon? Eastern Oregon is already a huge financial burden to western Oregon, what makes them think Boise is going to pay for all their stuff. Get better representatives to better articulate your grievances.
These are the people who feed you every day. You would die without them
@@cspdx11 I’m not sure what that has to do with anything I wrote but as to food production eastern Oregon is mostly high desert which means their agricultural output is marginal at best. With almost any two valley counties producing more agricultural products in weight and/or value than the entirety of eastern Oregon.
@@Greater_Idaho I’m not sure having one of the poorest parts of your state leaving and bringing up the standard of living of another state is a good selling point. I’m not sure if that is the report I read but it suggested that Idaho would have to keep some of the Oregon taxes on the area for it to balance out for them. The 2% growth increase stated in the report was about the same as if they stayed in Oregon. gAlso the report I read didn’t take into account the large cuts in government spending and the negative effects that would have on the economy of eastern Oregon. It is an important decision that should be well thought out and not based on feelings.
Yeah, true, we got our own problems, and we have our own achievements. Why should we add more problems or share achievements to our great progress in 10 years, maybe
@@Greater_Idaho All that dry desolate country won't help Idaho and the argument about a seaport is a moot one because we already have a seaport in Lewiston. And if we want to buy marijuana, we can just cross the border to Washington.
How many stories are you guys gonna do about this crap? Report the news. Give updates on actual changes, if anything actually manifests. If you do a report on it every week it seems like you’re just trying to help it along. Who’s paying you for the coverage?
@Please Stand By Oh thanks for letting me know. To be honest I didn’t watch past a minute. I did, however watch more than half a dozen segments about it over the last few months and they were pretty much all the same. Lots of complaining and bitching, but nothing actually to show for it. Just living in a fantasy land.
@@threegoodeyes7400 LOL Fantasyland. In a state where you can have CPS investigation on you for not affirming your kid's fantasy gender.
@@threegoodeyes7400 what if it was the other way around where it was liberals and lefties complaing about conservatives?
They do have some valid concerns and complaints.
@@SupportTheArts-yo8ox It is the other way in lots of places. I’ve lived in conservative states and cities. I get along well with pretty much anyone. Having different political views doesn’t have to change how well you treat your neighbors. I also knew that perhaps my views on things were in the minority and that there were a majority of people that would disagree with me, and therefore dominate wins in elections. To be fair I never voted in those places so it wouldn’t have made a difference, it was what it was. If I lived someplace that I couldn’t stand because most people voted differently than me, I guess I probably would want to leave and find some place I could feel better at. But I have never felt that uncomfortable living with people who think differently than me. I’m glad we have democracy and that we govern based on what the majority of people want. (In theory at least. I don’t think either political party honors what its constituents want.)
Any thinking person could see wolves would kill livestock. Wolves hunt in packs, cattle are fenced in. I hope & pray Oregonians decide to stay. I’m in Western Oregon & know it won’t fix itself. My taxes are high too. Real estate sells for $100,000 an acre of raw land.
Eastern Montana is different than western as much as Eastern Oregon is from Western Oregon.
Cattle do not have to be fenced in in Idaho. We have that darned Open range law. I doubt Oregon wants that near their towns.
Billy Williams is spot on.
I don't care if others want to live in Idaho, I like being an Oregonian. Unfortunately, I lack the money to move away if this stupid movement actually succeeds. Then what happens to my right to live in the state of my preference? It's just nonsense!
Greater Idaho State Motto: "MISERY LOVES COMPANY." 😆
Perfect!
@@PendeltonWhiskey *bows humbly*
The rancher wants a world without change at the expense of whatever species get in the way. Wipe out the threat. I don't know what the answer is to his problem with wolves. But there is a problem with his expectations. Ranchers used to coexist with wolves, killing them at will. What has changed?