Should You STOP SUBOXONE AT 2MG??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2019
- Stopping Suboxone can be very difficult.
At least if you're trying to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
Most of my patients prefer the low and slow taper method. But when do you actually stop the Suboxone?
Well that depends.
I prefer to get my patients to a low dose like 0.5mg to 1mg per day. Then we spread this out to every 36 to 48hrs. Then when that feels okay, we try every 72 hours.
Not everyone requires such a low taper. But many do. Keeping track of your withdrawal symptoms can help.
And just remember, this is not medical advice for you. Everyone is different and has different medical needs. Talk to your doctor before making any changes.
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I personally believe TH-cam’s algorithm is purposefully pushing doctors and sponsored videos to the top of the page when we search anything regarding opioid addiction. I do think it’s on purpose, and I think it’s disgusting. It’s pressing videos like these to the bottom of the results, to where you have to scroll and scroll to find great guys like this or like the guys from Project Unbroken. All I see is information on how and where to find suboxone or methadone when I specifically search “Feeling good after quitting suboxone” lol it’s actually ridiculous, and it gets worse every year when I start thinking about getting off again.
Aside from that, I’m on 6mg a day currently, been on that for over a year now, and I’m so ready to get clean from it. I’m going to use the -25% every 10 days to 2 weeks method, though, and go as slow as possible until I’m down to tiny slivers a day/every other day/etc.
I hope if anyone who is quitting reads this - I believe in us. We will be free again. I know it is possible. I do not believe the scam artists who say you have to use it forever, it’s not a life worth living if you’ve already had the time necessary to stabilize your life and mind. To stay on it beyond that, for me, has been a huge mistake. I’m going on six years soon, and I’m so done lol can’t wait to get closer to the end of the taper.
Thank you for all your videos, you’ve always been a godsend for me as a viewer in need. After my mom died from covid, it sent me spiraling down a totally new way of thinking about my life, and I know I’m ready now. We need people like you here, and I’m so grateful to be able to find you on this platform - considering the amount of bull crap you have to sift through to find people who actually have your best interest in mind, and have made it through the end and found the rebirth.
The depression the nerves the restless legs and arms oh my God. I am still working through it too omg. It's been a full month and a week and from 12mg to 2mg... here I come freedom
The restless arms are the worst. Literally feels like I need to do pushups just to relax them. By far the worst side effect
You are going to fast
The music in background was not necessary. Good info, Thank you
Yeah it's too loud and distracting when trying to pay attention to what he is saying
I jumped off at 2 mg. I am on day 9. I am still so weak and just want to lay around all day. I have considered going back and microdosing but then I’d feel like everything I’ve already gone through would be a waste. I hate this medication and I’m so ready to be done.
Omg. Yeah I just jumped off at 1mg 3 days ago. I’m at like 75 hrs rn, I don’t feel too too bad but I’m also using weed to help. When did you start feeling the worse ?
Btw, I feel good, besides the no energy , after day 7 it’s cake. It wasn’t bad at all. Everyone gots this
Keep pushing through
I’ve done this about 3 times now. My best advice for anyone that has jumped off subs for 4-5 days and just can’t handle it anymore. Your body has now adjusted to getting none and your tolerance is greatly reduced. Once I failed my 2 mg jump I came back on at 1 mg and was feeling great... it’s amazing how fast our bodies can adjust and lower the tolerance. To come back on at 2 mg would be a total waste of them 4 days of suffering. 👍 great video
badass1g Yes. Good point👍
Sounds good I'm gonna try it.
I’ve been debating on doing it this way, except intentionally. I’m at 2 mg, and I could do a fast taper from here, stop and when I can’t handle it anymore I’ll take 1 mg, which could be in 3-4 days, then wait until I can’t take it again and take 0.5. Dose adjusted to how many days in between I make it
You nailed it. I've experienced the same thing
I just came off suboxone after using it for 19 years , was on Heroin for 4 years before jumping onto suboxone 16mg , then 8 , then 4 , then after 6 months I got down to 2 mg and stayed on it 19 years . I still feel a bit shitty but im pushing through , been one hell of a ride , our suppliers in South Africa ran out of stock so I did a crash course and cut my last 2 x 2mg tablets up into 4 x 1mg pieces and rode those out the first 4 days at 1mg a day and then done , I'm now on my 9th day clean off all meds and feel a bit shitty but weed helps here and there when I can't sleep . They wanted to offer me methadone to taper off and I was like no fuck that I'm done with opiates after using them 23 years. ✌️
This guy is legit. Great advice
You’re videos are sooooo helpful ty! The acute withdrawal lasted 5 days for me, by day 6 I was feeling much better.
Where were you when you jumped off? What was your schedule?
I'm at like 1 to .5 for a while now.
You're close. I went down to .25mg but after 4 days I couldn't sleep. Half a mg was the lowest effective. But it's been almost a year and I'm free😁
Best advice out there. Great video. He’s definitely right about not taking it everyday at the end. If you’re down to
.125mg & skip 3 days between that small dose that is definitely getting your brain used to not having the drug & forcing your receptors to start producing dopamine on its own again. Feeling a little withdrawal is a good thing. That’s your body repairing itself. Personally I dropped from 16mg a day to 1.5 mg per day in the past two weeks & the only difference now is I don’t fall asleep right away anymore & I do this rapid 3 sneeze thing a million times a day. Good luck to all
Madnikodemus2 it only begins after how about now what dose are you on
Hahahaha yeah man that 3 sneeze thing hahaha atleats now I know that's a withdrawal sign... Good luck man. From subs to kratom to norcos, now Saturday was my last 10mg dose. The Sunday was not that bad but had help with phenibut and a little kratom, going to see whats the deal in the morning but if I have no motivation to get back to work I will have to get back on subs but at 0.5mgs or less
0 mg. Life is good
@@Madnikodemus2 any details friend?
6 mg day. The struggle. But I am at work
This guy is spot on with his timelines .. spot on . And that’s when you taper down to a true 2 mg a day for 30 days prior to quitting, these timelines are true .. if you coming off 14 mg a day , in my opinion you will put yourself in a dangerous place.. worse then kicking dope .. suboxone metabolic half-life is life 10x that of heroin … the kick is similar
Was taking 4 × 8 mg Subs a day. Whole insurance issues and had to cut down asap. 3 day and hating life. Yup the up and can't sleep. Went from 4 strips a day to 1 and then nothing with in month and half. Tuff it out.
DR. Chris is awesome. I have taking 1mg. for a month and starting taking .5 and have my last dose tomorrow.....im scared.
I was tapered down to 2mg during a 2 week taper in a detox center. After 2 days, I went back to jump through hoops to get another script. A 2 week supply of 2mg strips. I used those strips to go down 0.5mg every 4 days or so. 1mg for 1 week, down to 0.75mg for 5 days, 0.5mg for 1 week, 0.25mg for 4 days. I've had minor symptoms on my drops days by I usually level out quickly
I was off suboxone at 2mg for over 2 months. My body ached so bad even at 2 months. I tried taking a small amount of sub and got incredibly sick for 2 days but the ache went away then came back. I ended using fettenayl for the first time and had an OD for the first time. I was on Suboxone for years and I was so proud when I quit. Does anyone know what I could have done to stop that ache? Maybe a Gambipentain or a Benzo or even colonidine? I was also having energy issues.
This is Huge info.. Some worry about taking too much and loosing progress, or even OD after being at a lower dose. Can you OD on suboxone strips while tapering? As your tolerance level drops?
Can I just say you made the most sense to me after the 100000 videos I watched. Thank you for the real advice!!!
Thank you 🙏
Dr. Park, thank you. I’m down to 1mg. And what I am feeling is no difference. Which is a good thing, but I don’t know if later on it’s going to sneak up on me. You have to want to really get off of it. You have to have serious will power, which I do, prayers, which I pray, and a dog. Don’t laugh, my dog helps me through anxiety, depression (it’s mild) and stress. I’ve looked up Kratom for any withdrawal, but I’ve opted to just let my own body decide for itself how bad this is going to be to get free of. In the next 2 months I’m going to get as low of a dose as I possibly can and then we shall see how strong I really am!! Wish me luck! ❤️
2:21 band name & song ?
Also you helped me go from 8mg down to 1.5mg officaly as of 3 days ago
Took me about 5months
And taking your advive to get off soon If god wills
✌️❤️ Thanks for being a real Dr
I used Buprenorphine for 15 years, most of them in treatment. I tapered from 128mg Buvidal to 64mg but 32mg didn't carry even 2 weeks. I quit cold turkey and now it's week 6 after last injection. I'm sick as f and don't see light ahead of me 😢 I'm afraid that Buprenorphine has made me an invalid😢
How are you? You got this! Don’t quit, pray ❤
@@HealThyLivingQueen Hi, the worst buprenorphine withdrawals passed but I'm also tapering Valium after several year usage and I'm getting really bad muscle spasms and other withdrawal symptoms. Doctor drop the dose from 20mg to 10mg and I almost went into delirium. Fortunately my partner realized what was wrong and made me increase the dose back. I'm sick and it hurts but I'm not going to give up. Thank you so much for your message, it means a lot💗🙏🏻 Do you have personal experience from these detoxes?
3 days and i feel like shit but no quit here
Thank you doc. I made nine months cold turkey off 24mg. Then I herniated a disc in back and put on opioids. Did that for three weeks. An was like not again and jumped back on sub. Did that for 3 weeks. Only 8 mg this time. An cold turkey. An I’m on day 13 still feeling it. Lol. It was easier to cold turkey off 24 mg for me. But I got this. But love your videos and honesty. Thank you
Damn !!! That’s a beast bro!
I've used Buprenorphine for 15 years and now cold turkey week 6 from Buvidal 64mg. This is hell...😢
@@heavydirtysoul1111 Keep going! Don’t fail like I’ve done. Stopped cold turkey myself and ended up doing good for maybe 2 weeks. Then got a tooth pulled and started taking a couple tabs and now I feel like I’m just lost again.
@@thetattooedguy1413 Thank you so much, that means a lot especially because I don't have anyone who understands what I'm going through. I'm sorry to hear about your relapse but I'm sure you're strong enough to succeed when the time is right. To me there are no other options because our dream is to travel around the world and I cannot be on buprenorphine when traveling nomad. Today I felt some joy so life wins, just need to continue the fight.
@@heavydirtysoul1111 Yes please keep the fight and stay strong. Unfortunately my entire family on my dad’s side has been this way. It’s an excuse for me and I feel completely stupid. I mean I’m paying money to kill myself with these drugs. What’s even crazier is I KNOW BETTER! I was using kratom and it was helping tremendously. I just need to refocus. Keep fighting and stay strong! I’m sure when it’s all over you are going to be super grateful!
The sickness is the easiest part to be quite honest. I can always stop doing drugs. But staying sober...that is the harder part. But not impossible by any stretch of the imagination.
Cryptek Wizard amen brother
I’ve just went from methadone to subutex and I’m now on 2nd week,,, the restlessness and sweating and anxiety is killing me but I can’t go back to dope
I went from 20 to 4 mg per day in a week, and didn’t feel any discomfort. Prepping self to taper to zero over a year time
Don't rush it, guys. Most ppl who want off Suboxone really quick is b/c some jerk in NA told them they need to or they're not clean. They likely have never come off suboxone themselves and do not know what it's like. If they have, more power to them. However, NA people do not have your best interests in mind when it comes to Suboxone. It's your life at stake, not theirs. If something happens to you guess what? They won't be there for your friends and family they'll say "Oh they didn't want it enough" and move on with their lives. It's sick.
This is spot on. I am almost at that 3 week mark from a 2mg jump. I had to take 2 and a half weeks off work. I just made it back to work in the middle of week 3, which hasn't been easy. I knew this would be the case though; I didn't jump off thinking I would be 100% in a few weeks. After the first 5 to 7 days it feels like the improvement slows down. You feel a lot better at day 7 in comparison do day 4, but from there the change seems to be a lot more linear. It seems like you improve by only a few percent each day.
It's the restless legs and hot flashes followed with chills.
Over and over.
Can't sleep yet don't wanna move.
In my experience microdosing doesn't cover enough and it leads to longer lasting withdrawals. Mileage as always varies.
Thank you Doc Park! Love the intro. I’m down to 4mg. I’m fighting down from 16mg. I’m using the 16 week taper. Gonna go as low as I can before I jump.
Edit: and the outro messages too
Well so how did you do Bach?
@@jerrysanders9101 hey Jerry, thanks for your message. I wasn’t able to do the 16 week taper but I have managed to taper down to 1mg and I’ve been stuck here for quite a while now but I’m not giving up. The withdrawals aren’t crazy but it was way to uncomfortable for me to work and be a dad while going through it so I’m back to the drawing board
@@bach6600 I feel you man.. ans I own a biz so can’t really jus drop out for 2 months.. did your try kratom.?? My homie just kicked a 5 year daily methadone habit using kratom.. helped get him through the worse of it for sure he says..
@@jerrysanders9101 yeah man your business would definitely suffer without you and if you have family they would feel it too. Im gonna be completely honest man I used to buy kratom in between binges to help ease withdrawals from oxys or dope and at one point I was eating so much kratom all I could taste was fucken plant all day. You gotta find a dealer that doesn't sell crap kratom and if your shit doesn't come in on time you hit the streets to try and find some little head shop that sells it for 8x the price. it probably would have worked for me if I hadn't found a way to abuse it too. this dude I was in detox with was in there for kratom, he was telling me that he found this concentrated kratom that was like 10x stronger and I guess he got addicted to it along with a bunch of other shit.
@@bach6600 holy Shit. Crazy thing is I just found out about kratom in last year or two. I’ve been “partying” on Friday nights, sleep all day Saturday , work sat Eve some From home, feeling hungover as hell.. I would take 4-6 mg subs sat, 4 Sunday and Monday, bsck to 3 mg by Tuesday, then work and surf all week, until Friday and tear it all down again. Like an insane cycle week after week for the last few years. Im so sick of it, because I’m never operating on 8 cylinders…up to 6 at best, and I really miss running on all cylinders… I’ basically cold Turkey kicked a 3 year methadone clinic /dope combo run once.. it was miserable as hell… but hey.. yiu ain’t getting around it. I figure jump off subs at 1/2 mg day and use kratom for 2 weeks to get thru worst part. I could handle the rest.. the worst part is the mental whack.. and the restless leg/arm , stomach issues, and no sleep. I guess that covers all the worse parts lol
4 weeks. Man,I wish
Alrighty, opioid addict here, in my experience what youre saying rings very fucking true. I still rip them strips up into tiny bits and slip them under my tongue and ive been trying to get off suboxone for over a year. I kept trying to taper off with 8 mg strips but even at 16th of a 8mg strip thats still way to high of a jump.
Another thing people dont consider is post acute withdrawal symptoms (PAWS)
Them shits lasted me months before i got back on suboxone again because they just never went away.
I love you man
Is 2mgs a high dose?
Thank you Dr. Park!
I'm about to do that taper schedule you talked about (I do realize it wasn't medical advice or something you pushed) because I think it is the way I will make it. I didn't get on Suboxone to be dependent on something else. I think the worst will be anxiety because I deal with it anyway. But thanks for the videos about Suboxone. Helpful for sure
Good luck!
How you now Bryce?
@@jerrysanders9101 well, I didn't get going on the taper. I can't believe it's been a year. Dealing with a lot last year and thought it would be too much to try to get off meds at that point. But in June I went to my doctor and asked to start tapering. She actually said "well I'm sure diabetics want to stop taking insulin but it's not recommended". I knew right then that she was looking out for her. So I got the normal 60 strip prescription with a refill and got a calendar to make my own taper schedule. The first part is not that hard. It's just changing that routine a little bit. I worry about the very end. My doctor said "if you do get off then I have protocols in place like prescribing benzos". Umm, red flag. I wanted to do Suboxone treatment to get OFF of everything. I don't want to rely on meds anymore. So we shall see. But I'm not having any benzos filled. When I get to the end I'm just gonna jump. I think I want to be off enough that I can beat the anxiety on my own.
The shot works well from what I understand. It has a half-life of about 60 days. Guys do a month or two of 100mg and never go back. Now I hear they do 50 and 25mg shots.
I was down to a 16th of a mg and lower when I quit. A true micro dose. Came off with lil to no withdrawl aside from a little trouble sleeping the first two weeks.
Larry Tate Hi Larry, I too am down to a about a 16th. How long did you stay on the 16th before you stopped? Were you on the strip or pill? Also when you say you had little to no withdrawal, what does that entail exactly?
Im curious about this as well, im on about an 8th of a mili
@@chelsee0452 how did you do?
How do you measure down to a 16th of a MG
Wow. Really ? I jumped off at 4 mg before no problem just lack of sleep for few weeks . Great if weak dose helps you. Good luck
I know this ones older but how do you feel about supplementing beta blockers like gabapentin and even a weak muscle relaxer for the restless legs and as a minor sleep aid?
I am currently taking 8 mg a day for a week now, and planning on going down to 4 mg for only 3 days, then to 2 mg for 3 days then so on; trying to do a quick as possible taper since I am pregnant.
My doctor is an OBGYN that specializes in treating pregnant women with OUD and he wants me to take MORE Suboxone right now since my blood volume increased and my metabolism is changing, but I do NOT want to be on it at all! I don’t want to risk NAS with my baby, the thought of it freaks me out so much😫
I guess my question is: is it possible to taper this fast? I honestly don’t feel much of a difference when I’m on 8 mg than 2 mg, I still get my usual sleepiness from both doses and I don’t feel withdrawals at 2 mg, but I have heard that’s cuz Suboxone has a unique way it acts on the brain; most of your opioid receptors are filled at merely 2 mg, so that’s why there’s a ceiling effect where you don’t feel much of a difference at higher doses than 2 mg.
I typically don’t recommend that quick of a taper. Talk to your OB
@@dr.chrispark talk to my Ob is your advice? Like I have said in my comment, I HAVE talked to my OB and he wants me on MORE Suboxone. I was asking you for help because you make these Suboxone videos, but your advice to everything I wrote was pretty dismissive. I get you don’t recommend tapering so fast, but in my case, I need to since I don’t want to give birth on Suboxone.
@@Chelsea0909 I wasn’t trying to be dismissive but I dont give specific medical advice on the internet. It is not recommended to taper quickly during pregnancy due to risk of preterm labor, miscarriage, etc with withdrawal symptoms and/or relapse. Taper strategy would have to be discussed with your Ob based on trimester, history, previous pregnancies, previous drug use, comorbid medical conditions, labs, etc. Vitals and baby would need to be monitored more closely if you’re tapering. That is why I told you to discuss further with your OB and addiction doctor
Ive been off the subs for almost 400 days. The way i did it was i got rapid detoxed at the hospital. I was only in hospital for 3 days. I can sleep again amongst other things I'm sure people can relate to missing being able to do. It was expensive, it cost me around 10K. Fact is only 4% of people that get put on this medication will ever get off it completely. I wish everyone could afford this procedure. But i also understand not everyone can afford what i did. If you do decide to go the route I did. PLEASE don't go to place where they detox you in a Hotel Room. Shady people!
Been on .75mg , a little under a mg, for about 4 months but it’s hard to get myself to cut back anymore , just want to be done
switch to kratom.
Nooooo don't do kratom unless is with a 2 or 3 week program do not take kratom for more than a month. Warning. Trying to come off kratom now. Thinking of going bakc to suboxone m/d with .25mg
@@bobbyali4496 doesn't matter what drug you use to come off of an opiate you shouldn't take it for more than enough time just to get through the withdrawal phase. Duh. Obviously kratom is physically addicting, shit even weed is to an extent. If you are on subs use kratom to get off, if you are on kratom use subs for a week to get off.
@@bobbyali4496 lol people don’t realize that Kratom is just hitting the same receptors🤦🏻♂️ Lol I can’t laugh though because I’m guilty of it...
I'm in the same boat when I get some time off ima try tough it out low does kratom for a week and then just deal ima just try to take it at night 2 help sleep skipping days seems like it prolongs it but who knows I heard kratom withdrawal is dialed down like withdrawal lite
Also, for the people that say you don’t need to taper that low. I was down to point (.25) mg per day and maintained that for over a month if I recall. Even then I still had horrible insomnia, HORRIBLE RLS, and a couple other things. I was totally amazed that .25 mg had as much of a hard time as it did. You’ve seen my videos I think, my sub channel is (kickin addiction). I am now back on subs in an attempt to help my depression. Currently 3-4 mg per day. Will see how it goes.
badass1g No shame in that brother. Stay healthy! Stay clean 🤘🏽
Kickin addiction you made it how long before you turned back? You were killing it! When did the timer stop? You were like a month or more off it why did you turn back?
badass1g I'm at .5 daily but just not going to start taking more. I hope to have jumped by the end of this yr. This stuffs been death to me. Controlling everything:(
Damn you went way back up. I was down to .1 and went back to 1mg. I’m pissed because I was stabilized at .3 for a good few months. I just can’t shake this shit
EastCoast Podcast how are you doing today?
Hey dr, I have a question that I can’t find the answer to, hope you can help. Would kratom cause precipitated withdrawal if I took Suboxone after the kratom
You're not wrong about micro doesn't. I quit about six or seven years ago because I lost my medicine the first week after getting it. Luckily I had a week's worth separated in a day counter. I'll rapidly drop my dose to a quarter a day for the first week and then I started cutting that half and so on. I got the point to where I can take a crumb when I was feeling anxiety, and that would take the edge off. You have to take just enough to take some of the WD away and then allow your brain to readjust somewhat. Microdosing does really work if you have a good plan laid out
Amazing video!!!!
Great advice its been 30 days I feel great
I stopped using suboxone over a year ago and I can tell you Sir your videos helped me a great deal it was good to know what was going on with my body. I tapered down it was living hell. Shortly after that I quit smoking the only thing I use today is coffee. But then again nobody has ever went to jail for drinking too much coffee. Thank you so much for your videos.
Great job and thanks for sharing your story! How'd you quit smoking? Cold turkey?
@@dr.chrispark I used the patch after quitting suboxone smoking didn't seem like such a big deal and I was well versed at tapering. It was mostly mental and as you know suboxone is mental and physical. Denying my body the substances that it wanted helped me to realize how strong I truly was. I still get teary eyed thinking about it but I made it and I continue to make it every day. The whole experience changed my life forever in a good way again thank you for the great content my friend.
@@michaelturner7641 Happy thanksgiving!
Can you talk about volumetric dosing? This helped me go low and slow. I jumped at 2 made it 14 days then hopped on at 0.25 then went to 0.12 and I've been off two days and no withdrawals yet and I'm a fast metabolizer. I still can't move so it is wd but it's doable with a good Netflix series
Thank you. Really gonna try that 36 hour window time. Ive been at 0.5mg for a year now.
I know I'm lingering around. 75 a day I don't feel bad I don't feel good just in limbo it feels lie
Hey brotha? Have you been addicted to Suboxone before?
What are your thoughts on Lucemyra? My doc gave me a free bottle... I'm still a little worried.
Aside from trying to get off the meds, I also now have unexplained heart arrythmias and pain in my ribs. Been to the doc many times but all tests and scans have come back normal... They can't tell me why I'm having the issues. They couldn't say whether or not I should keep trying to taper off the Suboxone either. It's so frustrating!!!! 😡
Ashley Maree Lucemyra can cause irregular heart beat, slowed heart rate, and low blood pressure. I’d be hesitant to take it with history of arrhythmia. But your doctor will know more about your history than me. Also, are you having anxiety with the taper? How low of a dose are you at and how quickly have you gotten there? All these details play an important role in your taper process.
@@dr.chrispark that's kinda what I was thinking too... Because essentially its a blood pressure med. I've had anxiety for a while now even before I really started to taper. I'm sure the tapering doesn't help matters tho. 🤷♀️ Currently I'm taking 4mg/ day. Usually I'll take a quarter of a 8mg sometime in the morning and the other quarter in late afternoon or evening.
Personally the physical stuff is manageable and doesn't really cripple me like the mental part of it (withdraws that is).
I started seeing a new doc because my original sub doc (been on it for 5 years now) was absolutely no help when I practically begged for help getting off of it. Now I'm seeing an addiction specialist... He's the one that gave me the Lucemyra.
Quitting suboxone can cause weird heart stuff. I get all sorts of weird symptoms when I try to stop. It’s a main reason I can stop. Heart palpitations and anxiety. Add that other drug lucemyra with its own heart side effected and it’s no good. Clonidine migHt be better but I’m not a doc.
Ive done it a few times its not to say it is impossible and there are certain benefits you dont get stopping at a lower dose, again i think it is about the individual.
Hello Dr. Park, what are your thoughts on Sublocade? I just want to know is it pretty good to take this shot once a month vs the strips I'm pretty sure that it cost more but I just wanted to know if you know of any patients has ever tried it and if so how does it work for them?
I'm on sublocade. I don't want to sound like I'm promoting it, but I've nothing negative to say about it. It's such a relief to not take daily meds and to not have to deal with a pharmacy.
@@india_daws0n867 thank you for the feed back and I'm glad to hear that it is helping I may consider that
It’s the depression and anxiety
For sure
Spot on. I have read and heard much about Suboxone really taking a toll on men’s testosterone levels. Especially after withdrawing. I believe that some places offer a replacement therapy, along with an amino acid formulation that refills all the depletion after long term use. I haven’t tried either therapy, nor do I know the actual efficacy of said treatments. @DOC PARK...any insight on this?
Cryptek Wizard I definitely tell my guys to get their testosterone checked. Amino acid solution? Sounds like a scam though. You can get all the amino acids you need with a good solid diet plan 🤙
Depression and anxiety is the worst I know I suffer from it as well. I'm on 2 mg of Subs a day. See if your doctor can put you on an antidepressant and ask for some Valium or Klonopin while you're tapering down. That's what I take I take Valium and I'm on Paxil and I went through a horrible depression for a good five years it got really dark really really dark for myself. Paxil and Valium the combination together seems to work great for me. But with antidepressants but works good for one person might not work great for somebody else so you're going to have to maybe try a few things before you can get it right. But good luck to you!
I will say this....after ive been on a low dose for a while, i finally wake up with morning wood again😂 so thats gotta be a good sign
Thank you for the advice
I have the blessing to go to detox next week. 2 weeks to stop the devil ive had for 14 years of subs. Financially I can do it, my children think I’m going for work, I can take the time off work and be fine, I can afford a good detox. Will it be hell , yes, even the taper was hell. But not everyone can do that. Some still have to work. And if that’s you then do this taper. This is a good taper for those who need to do it slow and it does work. Me I’m like full force with it all I am down to 2 mg and I’m fucking done. Lol but your right we are all different and you can’t bash anyone for what they gotta do :)
Good luck and keep us posted 🤘🏼
Molly how did it go? And can you please email info about your detox. It would mean a lot. Hope you are super well!
@@jerrysanders9101 yes I can. Did you list your email? I’m also molly Schultz on Facebook as well.
@@mollyschultz2331what did inpatient do to help you? Thank you
One more questions Chris. Have you ever or do you currently work in a treatment facility?
Not since residency. And no hospital in a couple of years. Just outpatient family practice.
What is 1 mg of bupe comparable to hydrocodone mg ?
1mg equals very roughly 30mg of hydro
Chris- What kind of doctor are you? Like my prior email, I’m on day 3 off subs. Last dose was 2mg and did 2mg for 3-4 days prior to that. It’s been around 3.5 days and I feel pretty good really. My simple question is, is the 2mg dose a big dose or not? I’m a 23 year pharmaceutical rep and know a lot about medicines and diseases but I just can’t figure it out bc seems so many people struggle to go off 2’s. For me, the worst withdrawal symptom so far, by far, is the fatigue. Shit man, it just sucks. I’m eating well, drinking water, exercising and taking multi’s but it’s still pretty bad! I can handle everything else! RLS, the poops, the anxiety but damn dude the fatigue kicks my ass. I take low dose benzo at night and it helps tremendously. I think THE single best thing u can do during detox and withdrawal is to get sleep. If ur not sleeping, ur body isn’t healing. Note to self! Stop giving or encouraging clonidine for anxiety. That shit DOES NOT WORK! Lol. Benzos for a week are the only way to go imo. Thx bro. Just subscribed. Ur welcome
I typically taper patients lower than that before stopping meds (example 0.5 mg every 2-3 days) but everyone is different and 2mg may work for you. Are you still seeing your doctor? I always recommend continued contact with your doc.
@@dr.chrispark Yes. I finally found a very good addiction specialist MD that actually gives a shit about her patients. She doesn’t just rx and send u out the door and says good luck. also see a MA, LPC, LCDC counselor twice a week bc I’m acutely “clean”. Been on subs about 40 days and the doc has me tapering. That’s also a good thing. She doesn’t want me on this drug for years which I think is horrible that docs do that, at least at high doses. I can see a 2mg maintenance dose every day but that’s all. Long story but she started me at 4mg bid then 4mg qd that 3 then 2 etc but, like most addicts, there were some days I took more than prescribed and that caused a problem. I saw her last Thursday and she refilled my 30 days of 2mg. At the time I saw her I had about 4 tapes of 2mg subs left. Well, turns out I can’t fill the rx til tomorrow so, I basically ran out bc I abused it on a couple of days and took
more than prescribed so I took my last 2mg tape Sunday and now it’s Wednesday. I expected the wd to be way worse and maybe they’re still coming but I think I’m past the worst and it wasn’t that bad. The big question right now, actually a pivotal question is whether I fight through this fatigue another few days/week or pick up my rx and take a couple 2mg tapes and cut them with scissors to make them last a few days. I do think going from 2mg to nothing was a considerable drop but overall I feel fine save some fatigue! Feedback?
No way, taper to .2 for painless sleep filled nights
I take about 2mg a day for about a year. I tried to quit but I work overtime almost every week and cannot take time off. Is there anything to help with restless legs and body aches?
Magnesium helps me
I just passed my 5 year mark on Suboxone. I hate it. I hate that I am still on it. I got myself from 24mgs (insane) to 2mg in the last 18 months. Today I took my first 1mg dose and I’ve started exercising. When i took methadone 10 years ago, i was on and off it within 11months. I know I’m strong enough to get off subs! I just want this to be over!
U should be proud of your self! 24 mg to 2 mg is awesome! You can do this…or did you already get off?
@@Jenn-hw2ze I'm off! Been off since June 1, 2022. Its an amazing feeling.
I would cut a 8mg strip into like 50-75 little tiny pieces. Worked really well. Stopping at 2mg is still pretty intense.
Agreed. 2mgs is a hell of a leap for most people who have been on maintenance.
@@cryptekwizard8336I feel horrible about people who go through long-term PAWS. I jumped at 2mg just over 6 days ago, and I’m doing a lot better. It sucks that Suboxone and methadone affects people differently when quitting. I hope ya’ll are both clean still. It’s a battle, but doable!
I've been on Suboxone for two months, on two to three mgs a day can I just jump off now without tapering and how long will I feel bad ?
Week or two
I wish I would've watched this video before my jump off of Suboxone. I was on 50mg of prescribed Percocet for 2 years, then 2mg of Suboxone for 3 months. It has now been 4 months since my last dose and I am miserable. Although the RLS stopped after 8 weeks and I am getting 8 hours of sleep a night, the nerve pain in my neck and limbs is debilitating - I can barely function and type this comment. The anxiety has improved, but the headaches and rigid muscles have prevented me from having any normal social life. I'm 43 and recently retired, so my days consist of walking and working on my mental state to keep my sanity. If at all possible, try and taper down as much as possible so you won't be miserable for such an extended time.
Is there a difference at all between the pills and the strips?
The strips make it much easier to taper, other than that, not really
Strips are better. Not sure about the new generic ones however.
I quitted suboxone for good my body is drug free and i can share my story and secret
Been tappering for months. Been on .5mg for appprox 10 days. Jumping off sunday. Not sure what to expect. Anxiety n restless legs / arms at night was brutal 1st few days at .5mg. Have 1mg left gonna try wait 48 until next dose. Assume jumping off at .5mg instead of 2mg will be a bit easier. Dying get off n be truly free . Scared as hell though.
@@ECP90 good bro, well was ruff as hell for bout week, now paws but man i feel sooooo free. This will pass too. Full steam ahead. It can be done.
John Arruda do u use anything else
@@Trrippy_Shades No, smoked weed at night for month or so. Almost 6 months since jumped and going well now, sleep not great but worse is def over. It can be done.
I've tapered from 8mg to 1mg in less than 2 weeks (I haven't counted)... I was using large amount's of Crack and Heroin (smoking) daily for at least 2 years. Before that I battled with Ketamine and Alcohol addiction for 7 years heavily and was a total drunkard and 'legal high' abuser before that... I loved the hallucinogenic experience of Ketamine combined with deep meditation and pranayama breathing which came to me from God... Anyway all that stopped overnight and I ended up ruined from sniffing Ketamine with no hallucinogenic effects present anymore so I jumped on the Crack and Heroin to taper off... It worked, not drank in a year at least. 15 years of battling addiction total... I had 2mg of Buprenorphine yesterday in total and 1mg today and feel almost ok all in all... I was quite angry yesterday and have drenched my bed in cold sweat for the last week but no sickness, body aches and I even sleep for around 8 hours but at strange times such as 5am... (But I get a few hours in the day currently)...
About to jump off to nothing maybe tomorrow and will be megadosing Vitamin C... I feel confident this time around to be honest. I will be attending Gym again lifting heavy and will be using Sauna and Steam Rooms daily which I love... I have also been eating A LOT these last 2 weeks... Huge fried English Breakfasts and very hot Indian Curries nightly now... I have a Madras on it's way actually... I hope this helps anyone. I have tried to include what I would like to see in a persons information myself. All in all up to now it's been a relatively easy ride! Good luck.
How you making out Nigel?
Your doing good woody get back on the subs at l3ast u no your safe I would luv a smoke but can't cos of the subutex it's 9 in the morn here if lost my phone get acne 1 day was insured otheewise it would cost me 800 pound 4 a new 1 stay in touch an good luck my oz friendv
Like a lot of people I cracked the code and stopped suboxone - multiple times. Knowing how has been a real problem, led to relapses. Why? Because you know you can always go back to the "safety" suboxone. I'll help anybody get off Sub that wants to, just let me know.
How did you do it? I am on 2 mg now and want off of it Large! Was thinking kratom,I also heard liposomal vitamin c was good to get off of opiates.
@@samgallant4292 First, very important to realize wanting off of it and making your decision are two different things. You must make your decision, you must decide you are done. You have to literally fall in love with the idea of being off 'em and see yourself living without subs. Begin with the end in mind.
Next taper. Although people have jumped from 2mg (and higher!) I could not. Tapering is easy, convince yourself of it. Been on Subs for years? What's another month? Taper slowly. Write it down, plan it out. If it's written you are halfway home. The last 10 days you literally taking crumbs AND SKIPPING DAYS. Important, you must skip at least two days.
Two days before jump off start 25,000mg liposomal per day. Powder is preferable (mix w Gatorade) Increase to "bowel tolerance" on jump day you will get the runs. Add Magnesium and Niacin daily. Also, 10 mg of Imodium/day and you are home free. It's a fucking breeze.
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Doctor my withdrawals are gone after 1 month but I still have extreme fatigue any suggestions
Try a testosterone check at drs
I don’t want off it I was on it over 3 years I got off eventually relapsed now I’m 25 I’m on it again I think I’m gonna stay on it I have to
Me too bro I'm 22 I'm at 2mg a day but this life is way better then being a dope fiend
Try being on subs for 12 years and then finally getting the courage to get off at 31.
Get off when your ready but just know the longer you stay on the harder it will be. You have to find a new reason for living and these meds are a torture chamber for you will never be able to be sad or happy you will just stay right in the middle like a zombie. I’m happy the both of you aren’t using the heroin laced with fentanyl that’s killed 3 of my friends. This is a great time to get the hell out of this life while you still can. Make it a priority and don’t wait 6 years like I did. Is it painful to get off subs you might ask? My answer is pain is all relative but it may very well be the hardest thing you have to do in your life but you’ve come this far to get help so you don’t have to wait around for your drug dealer anymore. You’ll get to a point where you see the subs for what they truly are and that is a transition point/fork in the road/purgatory for the people who are tough enough to kick this bullshit once and for all. Go all the way or don’t go at all, but the mind is an amazing thing. When you’ve absolutely had enough of all the pain and all the money these doctors and drug companies have made off the backs of addicts like us you will wake up one morning and you’ll be ready to put this life in your rear view mirror and never ever look back. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later. Any update? Hope you guys are still having success and staying clean. Cheers 🤙
@@OneManCanStopTheMotorOfWorld that was a great read thank you still at 2mg a day like I said before I still get cravings all the time but living without H is much better I've realized... I still get some side effects from subs like for me sometimes it makes my heart beat fast but I'd rather have that then be another statistic
18 days plus another 4 weeks and Wala IDK 😖😢...
I wish my doctors had been more forthcoming with the realities of this med (when starting it and stopping it), and I guess more educated?
The idea of my tapering down to a quarter of a mg or less was shocking to them, and almost led to me not getting their help until I talked my way out of it. I don’t want to have to smooth talk the doctor treating me for addiction in order to get the treatment I need to get clean, my days of scamming for meds was supposed to be over ya know? But they all said “You’ll come off at 2mg/day, and after a long weekend you’ll be ready to go back to work.” There’s just no way.
After going through three weeks of wd last year I had to go back to suboxone, and now I’m down to 1/8mg a day, going to start stretching the time between doses now. And other than some pretty bad restless legs and mild anxiety it hasn’t been bad at all so far, but I know the final jump will be rough.
It’s just great hearing a doctor actually say the things most of us suboxone patients know, the harsh reality of coming off this drug once and for all, it’s really validating and comforting for real, I feel like crying a little right now.
Thanks for the video 👍
Godof Spacetime Thanks for the kind words. Much luck to you 🤘🏼
Suboxone Doc's do NOT know enough about this when they prescribe, etc. It is criminal - starting people at 8mg or 16mg a day for example. This stuff is soooo strong it should only be administered in smal doses IMO. On 2mg for years I had Doc's tell me it was a "baby" dose. They do not know the massive difference between 2mg and zero.
@@JimMalmPHOTO I couldn’t say better myself
Subs are not meant to stay on for ever I've been on them for 2 1/2 years it sucks.
The point of this “med” is to ween and get off without withdrawal. That’s why I tried to stop but this med is still an addiction.
How are you doing now? I’ve been on 2mg the last 2 years and I worked like hell to build my business to place where I can walk away for 3 months and focus on healing and getting off these meds once in for all. I feel like I’ve been reverse engineering my downfall and building an escape plan out of this hell.
@@OneManCanStopTheMotorOfWorld I’m right there with you. How are you now 6 months later?
No the point of the med is harm reduction and to stop drug seeking behavior. Some people will be on it forever and if they have a better life on it vs off of it then it's good for them to be on it. I'm down to 2mg but I get the little 2mg pills and they fall apart when I try to cut them so it's going to be hard to wean myself down more. I would love to be off this stuff.
Can you go from 8 to 4 mils without getting sick? I heard you could.
No u get sick
@@Loyzan88 thanks for the reply just wishful thinking on my part.I might try it anyway if I can get my nerv up haha.
I did that and was fine! It’s all mental😊
@@jbo1758 thanks that is what I thought I have been doing it myself and your right it is all mental.
You get fatigued not very sick.. it's when you get to 4mg and below a day where withdrawls come back
I need to know if 0.5 sub will block quality kratom
Yes it will. A little. You will need to up your dose. And wait atkeast 7 hours before you take kratom. And please please do not use kratom for more than a month. And never take more than 3 grams 3 times a day. Kratom withdrawals are 75% to suboxone. No joke of you ask me
I’m pretty sure you meant 25 percent
I've been tapering for about a year. Down to .5mg a day without hardly any side effects. I plan to taper down as low as I can until I'm off. I work everyday so if it takes another 6 months I'm ok with it. I've tried to stop before with a fast taper and it was brutal.
Totally with you! If I taper too fast I feel like I'm caring a 45 lbs plate on my back... really tired - doing absolutely nothing. I work everyday so I'm tapering slowly so I CAN still work and somewhat function without having chills or tiredness and aches all night. I've tapered to .5 a day now and will continue my taper down to ziltch before I jump. I've tried to jump a few months ago from 2 mg daily but NO way... I layed in bed for a wk. So I know that was too early for me. Hang in there everybody as I will too. Peace
What's your update and are you off Suboxone? , I'm on 1mg everyday but I'm gonna try every other day it's alot of mental and I'm having Trouble staying Focus when I'm doing any task I get distracted easily I feel like my dopamine is too low from not developing from taking Suboxone and I wanna feel emotions and be happy again I feel like the drug is worser than the other drug that got me into Suboxone, life's A Struggle and I'm gonna taper but at a slow good pace I don't wanna go through withdrawals like before they're brutal and worser than anything I ever experience I wish I never took Suboxone but it's what's saved my life but I'm learning and just trying to stay positive I don't feel like myself anymore at the moment but I'm hanging In there I'm trying to fight my demons and Pray more often for Strength it's alot too bear though.
@@IDLP805 you can not get off Suboxone without so e kind of withdraw symptoms the longer you stretch it out wil only make it worse. Man up and stop subs now. You will be fine. Good luck
So far in the last 2.5 years I’ve went from 6 to 4 to 2 to 1 to 0.5. Probably going to attempt to cut down once more before jumping off.
It's a living hell
I am on 2mg...due to cornavirus... I cannot get subxone... I have only 2 left... Will I able to go through withdraws...easily
Ankit Suman If my patient was in the same situation, I’d have them immediately taper dose to 1/2 tablet daily x1 day, then 1/4 tablet daily x 3 days, then 1/4 tablet q 36-48hrs until out.
Not advice specific for you because I don’t know your situation but talk to your doc and see if they think this could work 👍
@@dr.chrispark so I have 4mg total left.... And I will cut it to 1mg each... And will take 1 each day for next 4 days....but still if I will be having mild withdrawals... Is there any medicine I can get from pharmacy shop which will help me.... Coz in India subxone and benzoz are very difficult to available... And as per current covid virus... Scenario there is a complete lockdow.... I talked to my doctor he said he want be able to supply subxone for next 1 month.... And told me to take ibuprofen... And lot of fluids... Is there any medicines and remedies you can provide.... To make my withdrawal minium.... It will be very helpful
@@ankitsuman18 whaaaat no wayy suboxone in India? Damn opiod epidemic spread all the way to the east huh!
Try to see if you can find kratom. If not you guys have the best stuff called ashwagandha. It's the best for sleeping. Was my savior on my wd
Hi m a guy from India delhi i was addicted to codeine syrups I just wanted to know if it's safe to be on buprenorphine
Ho ho. . or lol! It seems artfully ironic that Doc Park talks to us from a Parked car with pinned pupils. I'm an addiction counselor in New Mexico (US) and use these videos in my practice. My clients respond well. Keep up the good work.
Clarence W Goddard Hahahaha. Thanks and keep fighting the good fight 🤙
Are you saying he’s on something? Or are you being facetious?
I've been on 16mg Suboxone for 14years. 2 years ago I started reducing till 4 weeks ago I was down to .2mg then jumped off. Having pretty bad soreness all over. Pretty bad IBS. Its debilitating. To the point where I can't make it to church if on Saturday I help putting signs up at the church up and down the street. The soreness I get from that make my withdrawal soreness goes through the roof. So this week I'm saving all my energy to get to church this Sunday to help 1 guy that does everything. So I'm hoping I'll feel better someday 😔 Some say its like a 9 month hangover. 1 month down, ? to go
How you doing now my friend? I know the feeling.. ughhhh it’s miserable as hell.
@@jerrysanders9101 I passed the 9 month point a few days ago but still have this stuff. Doctor said it could be a year. That would be October 13th. Were going on a driving vacation 12k miles. I hope I have the energy to drive 🙂
Wow
I wonder how you feel right now this is crazy
@@leonidtodorovski635 Hi Leonid,
I had to get back on 8mg of subutex because of the chronic pain. I toughed it out for 2 years with nothing for my pain. After the pain not going away for 2 yrs I started drinking vodka for my pain. Got to the point where I was having a vodka every 2 hours throughout the night and day. Ended up in the hospital for about 3 weeks so after that I decided it was best for me to be on Subutex as Suboxone caused depression. So most of the pain is gone except for my IBS which is very painful (constipation). I use Miralax and that seams to help for a couple days out of a week. The withdrawal symptoms lasted at least 2 years. When I got the first .5mg of Suboxone (they had to restart me on it) my body said "its about time, took my pain away and gave me 4 hrs of sleep! Thats allot. Still not sleeping more than 2-3 hours at a time.
You know I'm going to be honest. I took pain pills here and there as a teenager you know for like getting my wisdom teeth out or my mom will give me a muscle relaxer if I had really bad menstrual cramps. But I honestly my entire life had no idea what withdraw was. I had never hung around opiate users until I was in my mid-twenties. I used to do drugs recreationally a little too recreationally😳 and I lost 75 lb in 3 months because I was snorting oxycontin's and I could never keep anything down when I would snort them so I would puke constantly. So I'm going through life like doodoo doodoo to do all I'm losing weight these pills are freaking amazing dudududududududu.! Never had a withdrawal. Then I had a family friend move in for 3 months and I was doing blues for 3 months straight without any Gap. Then the family friend left and moved back up north and I felt horrible just absolutely horrible but I thought I was just getting a really really bad flu or something me being naive about the situation. And when they say ignorance is bliss that shit is a very true statement because as soon as a friend told me oh you're not getting the flu you're going through withdrawals all you need to do is get another pill and you'll feel great again! And as soon as he said that to me my bones started aching and I couldn't stop wiggling my feet around and freezing chills sweating at the same time it was like fireworks going off in my body! So he gave me a pain pill and I felt better instantly. If I could go back in time and change that moment when that person told me that I was going through withdrawals that would be the only moment in my life that I would change! I would have just thought that I was getting the flu and I was really sick and by that time I was getting tired of using the pills anyways cuz I already lost a crap ton of weight I look so sick and being naive with pain medication I had no clue what I was doing. God do I wish I could go back and change that moment. From that moment on I chased that devil Drug for years so I wouldn't feel sick and made horrible choices because of it! So ignorance is bliss... do you think that a percentage of withdrawing is mental? Like I said ignorance is bliss and I would have not have even known about withdrawing if somebody didn't tell me what I could do to feel better.
I went tru the same thing
Same here thoight i had the flu and basically made it thru it and never realized it at first
So interesting reading this because I do believe your mind has alot to do with it! If your not afraid of withdrawals or don't know about it like you said you'll take it as cold or the flue and you trick your body but if you're all your thinking of is withdrawals or your so afraid your going to feel like ish!
I jumped off at .25mgs per day. Had physical withdrawals for 3 weeks. Then the post acute withdrawals lasted 6 months. That was hell. Been off it for 18 months now
Sounds hopeless when did it ease up i take a lil less then a mg was hoping 4 a lil better experience then that
@Matthew Mooar how did the 2MG jump go? I’m gonna be doin the same thing here I think.
@@dr.keegan5303I jumped at 2mg and it’s really not that bad. I drink a shit ton of water, force myself to eat and shower every single morning, and I’m 6 days in. It’s manageable. Hope you’re clean!!
Been on subs for the past 35 days to jump off a 30 pill a day habit. Towards the end my doc put me on a 2mg dose. But because I abused it a little through those 35 days and took more than I should have, I ran out. So, the past 7 days I took 6mg, 4mg, 2.5 mg, then 2,2,2,2 and jumped. I’m not on day 3, over 72 hours since my last tape. I’m surprised bc I actually feel pretty decent. Other than feeling lethargic and not having a lot of motivation I’m not in any pain. Maybe the wd’s are lyin and waitin on me tomorrow but I kinnnndddaaaa doubt it. I do exercise a lot, eat good, water and sauna, jumping jacks. I think this time around that has been the key. There’s no magic bullet. U have to fight for it. There’s no other way around it!
i stopped at 4mg its day 5 and im going insane
How are you
I just jumped from 1mg. Day 3. I just can’t sleep and have to work tomorrow and do heavy construction. Don’t know what to do. Don’t know if I wasted the last 3 days staying awake with mild WD , just to take a small piece to feel better to work. Since I’m already on day 3, shouldn’t I just keep going ?
@@zeeeeeeekKeep going brother! I’m right here with you. Currently just passed day 6, and it’s honestly not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. I jumped at 2mg and I’m surviving. How are you feeling, did you stick with it?
Yeah I did bro I’m on day 8, yesterday I went to work after missing 2 days, I work construction and honestly I had a really great day yesterday and today. Was sweating this morning but no WD. Just insomia . But yeah people over exaggerat…thank god I kept with it! But damn that’s good bro ya it’ll get better , keep your mind focused
Edit: I still hurt , it comes an goes
I'm currently on 1mg , it's hard to focus I noticed I gotten 10x more distracted easier ever since I started tapering from 2mg to 1mg , it's hell on earth when you can't focus and have trouble staying on task , I feel like my dopamine levels are lower than normal so I'm not really having any emotions which I don't like , I'm gonna buy Olly Brain Boosting Pills or Olly Lazer Focus and see if that helps me because I feel out of place and I can't even workout at my gym I feel like a zombie I don't like how my life's turning out at the moment , it's alot of mental to deal with when your tapering/Withdrawal from Suboxone it's worser than the drug that got me on Suboxone life sucks but I'm trying to stay strong and manage my life while trying to find my self and feel normal it's too much to deal with people don't understand my struggles 2022 my goal is to get off this Devil Drug and be happy and become sober from All Prescription Drugs
Hi just reading this, wondering how you are today 9-14-23.
I tapered for one year jumping off at 0.08 mg. It worked for me.
Been off fentanyl for 8 months and almost off subs not taking any sub today
Great job!
I never took more than 2mg in one day. I know so many that are prescribed ridiculous amounts and its either due to the Doctors ignorance or in many of my friends cases, them wanting to feel high at the beginning and not just "normal" That being said, I only took it for a yr and when I jumped I was taking 1/8 of a 2mg every other day and I still went through weeks of personal torture,pacing at night, crying because everytime I thought I might fall asleep, I'd jump out of my skin. For me personally if I ever had to do it again, I'd take 3/4 days of hell over weeks of dull torture anyday. It's been 6yrs and still the thought of ever placing even a sliver of a sub under my tongue makes me want to vomit. Anyone that says that subs or Methadone don't get you high are delusional, Imo all they are is a substitute for the government to be able to make money off of and that's just sad. When prescribing Doctors are fed incorrect information, there's definitely something wrong.
I wish anyone still struggling or thinking of giving up,don't. All those thoughts of "I'm never going to enjoy anything ever again" "what's the point" the list goes on.... They are just thoughts, they are just your addiction trying to rear its ugly head, It may not be tomorrow or a month from now but slowly you will start to mentally heal and idk anyone else but the guilt and disgust that I felt about myself, was a reminder not to give up and go back. I never thought I'd ever be able to wake up and not have to take something to start my day but I was so wrong and NOTHING is better than not having to plan everything I want to do or need to do around dope.
Your totally correct it's wrong to keep people on this for years it's unnecessary I think . I've used H on and off for 15 plus years and never heard or needed this to quit before ,only this time around I needed it for PAWS kuz of a three year binge this is my first time taking this I'm 2months in stuck on 2mgs about to jump off I feel ready but where I get my subs they say oh no don't jump now people usually relapse who quit in three months you still need this for a year at least is what they told me , the hell with that
My experience with jumping off around 1.5 to 2 mg was that I didn’t have physical pain. No restless legs. My main symptoms were lack of energy and insomnia with malaise/apathy. My depression wasn’t too bad. The worst was the sleep. In one week I am going to reattempt jumping off. I gave in after 4 days last in last time at 2 mg because of sleep issues and I was working. This time I’m using 9 days off work. I feel pretty good about this time
Hey Shawn I like your optimism . And there’s always pain involved. How are you now 2months later?
Did you do the jump? I jumped off 2mg 6 days ago, and I honestly don’t feel too bad. I’ve had worse withdrawal from other drugs. I did have to miss 2 days of work, but Sunday when I return it will be 8 days since my last dose.
Oh my gosh I cannot stand when somebody says to me. Why can't you just stop taking it you're already on such a low dose already? I want to punch them in the face. My answer is always because it isn't safe to just stop taking something that you've been taking every single day sometimes twice a day for 7 years straight. I had an uncle who had taken Xanax his entire life and he ended up getting like dementia not from the Xanax just he developed it and in the beginning stages of it he forgot to take it and he was on a pretty high dose of Xanax well I think you forgot to take it for like 3 days straight he ended up in the hospital in a coma. He was all whacked out he thought he had won the lottery and he had to drive to go get his check from Tallahassee I mean just really really bad and the doctor said it was because he abruptly completely stopped taking his Xanax he was on it for a good 40 years. But still your body gets used to what you put into it and when your body is deprived of it you shut down especially with a drug like Xanax I'm sorry but that drug is the devil! I'm sure it has helped millions of people but honestly if I can do any drug again my drug of choice would be a Xanax and I have to stay away from them. I atleast I have self-awareness and I know that if I got on that train I'm taking that train all the way to shittsburgh! But back to what I was saying it's so easy for people who are on the outside and know nothing about the medication to say why don't you just stop taking it? Like its birth control or something. LOL
Jessica Constantine Xanax is very different from Suboxone. Jumping off of 2 milligrams of Xanax is health risk. Jumping off of 2 milligrams of Suboxone is uncomfortable and requires a lot of discipline but can absolutely be done -regardless of how long you’ve been taking it.
Jessica Constantine sounds like some underlying issues there but sorry for your lose
Yes please do punch your self on the face. Sound like my wife till she did some research
@@bobbyali4496 hi Jessica Constantine here why should I go punch myself in the face?
@@meesterdinglefritz2064 hi Jessica Constantine here, yes I am very aware that Xanax is very different from Suboxone! I'm pretty much an expert at this point in my life. Is Xanax and pain pills were my drug of choice but luckily enough by the grace of God I got help! I have been clean for over six years now except for the Suboxone I'm still taking. Nothing like lingering memories got your stuff in your mouth every day! It was way easier for me to get off of Xanax then it is this Suboxone. I know that every one's body and mind is different. But you can't just tell somebody to stop taking Suboxone and it might be a little uncomfortable and it requires a lot of discipline but it can be done. You can't just say that somebody!
The problem for people is this slow taper, where you wait 2 weeks until you feel normal. Basically it asks them to prepare for 8 months of constantly going through periods of feeling crappy and normal. Most people would probably rather get it out of the way instead of drag it out that long. Just go 4 days, then take kratom and the taper of kratom is insanely easy. It effects different receptors so you take that for 2 weeks and you can literally just stop. You dont have to taper the kratom if you dont take it long
Excellent advice Devin thanks man. I definitely agree people overthink the whole damn thing. There’s going to be a bit of discomfort no matter , but I’m going to try the .5 mg sub to two week kratom taper soon… you still on TH-cam?
Why stop at 2mg it goes down 2 0.4 mg I'm on 0.8 in the morning an 0.8 in the evening (subutex) then I will taper from that
That's the point. Keep tapering as low as you can
How did you ho Phil I am on 0.4 every day what should be my next move been on suboxone for a month now started of with 10mg was on heroine for 2 years
Just drop down to 1 0.4 a day or try taking half of it in the morning an half in the evening your nearly there your on nxt to nothing now I'm on 2 0.8 in the morning an 0.8 in the evening now but take benzos sometimes 2 chill me out you done brilliant
Sorry woody try 0.2 nxt or try just stopping now your on nxt to nothing now u done it a few benzos will take the edge off 4 a few days u done great well done
Phil Patton thanks buddy but damn they don’t prescribe Valium here in Sydney hope I don’t have to go thru too bad withdrawals after I jump off 0.2 what u rekon man
I’ll never let the hardcore stuff get ahold of me ever again!! It’s extremely hard to get away from, most ppl think they can get off of them and they think they are stronger than the next person, most of the time they are wrong, it’s a horrible experience
Thank you
Hell no 😅 I tried it a few times it’s brutal hell bro jumping at 0.10 is miserable 😭