How to Finally Stop Suboxone! (Buprenorphine Taper Made Easier)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2018
- This video isn't for everyone.
Some people do just fine maintaining a steady dose and living life. That's awesome!
But some folks are ready to taper off meds. When you're ready, you're ready. And you'll know it.
When tapering off Suboxone/buprenorphine it can become difficult when you get to the low doses.
In this video we discuss some practical applications to tapering and finally stopping buprenorphine/suboxone.
Visualize the process.
Keep the end in mind.
Take the right action.
How to Taper Off Suboxone (a few things to consider):
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Took your advice. Got the 2 mg strips. Cut down over a period of a month, and got down to .5. I did it pretty quickly, so when I started skipping days I would get mild withdrawal. Now I’m doing every 3rd day. Normally the 3rd day slams me. Today has been 3 days, and I woke up with 0 withdrawal! I’m almost freaked out about it. You have helped me so much!
Great work!!!!
@@dr.chrispark You have helped me more than any other doctor. I'm eternally grateful.
Still sober? Hope so! All the best for you an clean future....
AMAZING GO YOU
I'd like to hear what you feel today.
Day 12 here no suboxone, I tapered down for years.. the last year i was on 1.4 mg.. I weaned that down to about .75 a day for a week, then made the jump.. It's been pretty rough.. but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel... I was on suboxone over 9 years... Mannnnn can't wait to be free of this.. thanks for the content with your videos doc. I wish my doctor was more like you.. instead of telling me that I may have to be on suboxone for the rest of my life..
Congrats and keep it this way . How wete the first 3 -5 days??how you feel now in the 13th day off??
just want u to know i am 4 months off suboxone. i watched ur vids in the early stages of being off subs and i learned a lot. i did a much quicker taper than you recommended but i didn't have a choice. but im over the hump now and it's so liberating to be off that shit.
Michael Spoto Great to hear you’re doing well! 4 months is a HUGE milestone 🤘🏽
@@dr.chrispark thank you sir. i really appreciate that.
Was it hell to get off?
Or just cravings bad?
Worse than oxy withdrawals?¿
I wish that i could come to your office and have you as my doctor. So straight to the point and i can tell you really care about helping your patients. Bless you
Iron checked. Low iron will give you restless legs and low energy. Once I started iron my withdrawal symptoms where no where near as bad.
Had some really bad restless legs part way through my taper. I thought it was w/d symptoms but I started eating more red meat, greens like kale and spinach, and a magnesium supplement at night. Worked wonders.
It’s nice to finally find a doctor who guides us to get off this medication. It is time, I want off so bad!
I feel you pain to the core of my inner being ... stay strong I been off of suboxon for a month and I feel like a new person I don’t even think about getting high
@@Junior-ns9dn Hi. I've been on subs for almost 6 years. My doctor doesn't want me to get off. But I'm having so many side effects. Headaches. Sharp pains in diff places. Chest, head.. ect. Dry skin. Skin discoloration in my lower legs and feet. I have to wear compression socks or my lower legs and feet swell bad. I'm tapering now. Did you or have you got any of these symptoms?
Chad W. To be dead honest with you I don’t think I was in it that deep my problem was fentanyl. On and off use for like four years and then I got to a point where I was using every day for two months 30 mg pills at least for a day. What trip me out wasn’t the withdrawal I knew that was gonna be bad it’s the symptoms that come after you’re done with the acute withdrawal they lasted about three months I couldn’t sleep ,I’m irritable, depressed , and had to work through all that I’m somewhat normal now . The acute stuff for me was I could feel something in my brain was triggering my body to shut down I could literally feel it. Worse was paranoia . I would wake up as the sub was wearing off and I would panic and in my mind walls were closing in fast and I couldn’t breathe. I do not recommend this I repeat I do not recommend this I went against all my doctors wishes he wanted me to stay on sub and I didn’t wanna be a slave to anything. So I tapered myself off and switched to comfort meds for a month and then the post acute stuff happens. That could last anywhere from months to years. I guess I was lucky. All I can say is don’t give up in the fight even when it feels like it’s the bitter end
@@Junior-ns9dn thanks man. I really appreciate that. I am not going to give up. Subs has cost me a lot more than money. And I believe it is the root to the majority of all these things that are happening to me. I have to get off them completely. And I'm not stopping til I do. I appreciate the reply and the feedback. It surely helps a lot!!!!!
Chad W. I know the feeling so to stuff like this I’ll always reply. I know the diapers that comes with it sometimes. Think of it as a marathon not sprint. Just know your having decent and terrible days. When you know it’s going to be bad bite down do something to get your mind off it. All u can do
It's ridiculous that they don't have lower doses than 2 mg. It makes it so hard to get off.
❤❤❤❤ yes but today I finally cut down to 1.5 but yes 1mg strips would be so much easier to cut things down
Even .5 strips
But they don't want people cutting down
They are a corporation pharmaceutical
I’m in UK.we have 200 mcg or .2mg buprenorphine/subutex. So they do make smaller doses;but not sure available in US.If not you can cut tablets in half and half again if needed. If you get a light weight scale u can actually weigh a suitable amount and use that as a baseline,record the weight each day and work down over your timescale.Another trick is add 2 hours more than usual 24hr dose.Once you get down to below 1mg,it can get psychologically challenging,regarding being without the crutch;one other possibility is to go 1 or 2 days without any and take a tiny dose on third day,which can spread out the withdrawal? Also if you have insurance you can stop at 1mg and go on a two week taper of Lofexidine, which is expensive but can make a huge difference.For RLS take magnesium,potassium and Iron supplements.RLS is probably connected to low naturally produced dopamine;so a dopamine agonist like Pramipexole can also make successful detox more likely.Good luck brother,ask your doctor,get support and concider the options.Going forward concider a daily 50mg tablet Naltrexone,which stops cravings and is statistically proven to prevent relapse?
THANK YOU Dr. Chris Park!! I NEEDED TO HEAR THIS TODAY 💛🌻
Thanks Doc, your doing a great service to folks like me with these videos! Please keep them coming. My dr is forcing me to taper & at times it's very hard with the stresses of life. Your Suboxone info videos mean more than you know, God Bless!
I hate forced tapers. They make no sense. It would be like me telling a diabetic "I'm going to give you this insulin for 6months but by then you better have lost 30 lbs, be eating perfect, and exercising because that's all the treatment you're getting". I'm sorry you're having to go through that. Good luck. And thanks for the comment
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Ross Fallacaro Thanks! 🤙
This guy is a good dude!! Keep helping people Doc!! These video’s helped me get clean!!
Mandy Ice Thank you!! 🙏✌🏽
Can you OD on suboxone if your on a 1-mg daily dose or even less, then feel like you're dying and have to take more? say like 2-mg? Thank you, God Bless..
Sure glad I found this. Video 😮
Loved this video... to the point and full of good useable info... thank u. Appreciate your videos Dr. 🤗🤗
Sure_eh Thanks!
Should I be able to take every 2 or 3 days without withdrawals because it has long half life?
@@joshuacalebbevington exactly, great question
This m3dicine can be used to help try your best to not use other opistes it helped me with benzos and alcoholism
Another great video….
I apologize in advance. I just came across your channel from searching, and I watched a video earlier, and left a comment.
Now this video has open my mind up even more.
But what my problem is, I’m in such a small dose, i’m so ready to stop. And I thought I was done. On Father’s Day, it was my 72hr mark, but that night I woke up with restless legs and couldn’t get back to sleep.
So I had to take a dose. But my are so small. I am literally taking probably .025 mg or something like that. About the size of a match head, or smaller.
I have debilitating chronic fatigue and find Suboxone really helps with it. I’m tapering off, but I’m worried about the chronic fatigue once I’m off it. I’m supposed to be taking 3 mg a day but sometimes double my dose if I need to do something otherwise I just can’t function because I’m so tired.
I've been on subs for about 15 years more on than off. My body is so chemically altered from buprenorphine. It's a mental and physical mind-f#@k coming off subs. I feel like a completely different person every time i titrate down and come off suboxone, i will have to invest 16+ months to feel a sense of well being and mental peace with myself. Addiction is a brain disease and suboxone maintenance is a brain torture chamber.
I’ve been on half that time and feel the same. First two years were great I felt great. Then things started to change and turn bad. I’ve been jobless living with my mother for last two years trying now to get off this. I’m down to .3 and omg the symptoms I have are insane. One day my entire body is squirming in pain. Nest anxiety and heart palpitations. Next chills to the body radiating out from my chest. Headaches , depression, anxiety, bad thoughts, stomach pains, bathroom problems, on and on. I can’t take it anymore.
I feel like it is a brain torture too. I wish I had just weened off regular opiates. It was easier to do that. This just never ends.
That's so true. 12 years of hell for me. Sub is almost like an SSRI, sure you're not depressed and sad, but you're not really happy either, just sort of indifferent to the world. Maybe calling it a state of purgatory would be more accurate. I've tapered to .25mg a day over the past six months and have become a completely different person. No more self-loathing and resentment towards life in general. In fact I'm slowly realizing how good life is again, and ready to grab life by the balls and finally get off this sub crap. It's felt like a ball and chain for too long. Hope you're doing well.
I feel you
Hey. I have been on Suboxone for 13 years. Your comment hit me hard because I felt exactly like that. How are you doing now?
Man im screwed im on day one i worked down to half strips so stressed out
I went from 2mg to 1.5mg....it’s been a week and I feel no different! Maybe some anxiety, but my life is stressful right now anyway. Idk if I should stay at 1.5mg a bit longer, or drop down to 1mg. Does it take longer than 7 days to stabilize?
Wish i could meet you to talk 1 on 1.. Was on heroin for 2 years havent touched it for 5 years but immediately got on subs... I dont get a script unfortunately when i did they wouldent let me smoke pot.. Basically was on a program for only a month.. I buy them off other people take half a 8mg a day ... Quarter in the morning and a quarter after work.. My relationship has been super rocky soo i did increased the dose to 3/4 a 8 mg strip a day and been doing them the wrong way😞 mostly depression is causing me to do this .. Bad excuse but i have to be honest. I wanna get off .. I cant go with body aches when my job is all physical .. What about kratom? I was down to. 1mg a day a few years ago but my life is slowly getting worse and worse.. Any advise?
Shall I give u some subs? For free bro. I stopped the tablets and have so many 8mg tabs just sitting there like 200 tablets
I'm ready Doc🙌🏿✊🏿👑
it would be helpful if you could make a video showing cutting strips into the pieces your a amazing doctor thank you for all your helpful videos
If someone has been (nasally)using this for over a decade, tapered down to the point that a piece of half of a quarter of an 8mg tab so less than.. .025, so a quarter lasts weeks at least. If they were to stop- what would they experience? Theyve maintained taper doses to this point for a long time. Im trying to help a family member and when i tell them i think they can do it they just tell me i dont understand how bad the detox feels. But in my mind.. i think its just the ritual and the comfort he doesnt want to let go? He can go over 12 hours between doses then panicks at night. Any advice? Opinions?
My first thought is to change to sublingual. It would break the psychological habit of snorting while keeping the dosing stable. The other option would be a Butrans patch that would give a slow consistent amount transdermally. Again, this would stop the habit of snorting which causes a quicker dopamine release and thus needs to be stopped. Then, the patch could be tapered over time
@@dr.chrispark I appreciate that so much. Im so clueless on how to help him but I've been diving through videos the last 3 days.
Thank you so very very much for posting this! ❤❤❤
Hi doc, quick question and a good question. What if I start off by not necessarily lowering my dose but skipping days, then after a couple days take a normal dose. Is that in anyway giving the brain some kind of healing
This past mon. I started a new job. For 3 years i took 2/ 8s. I thought i would try 3/4 of 1 pill each day. I was busy all week. New job. Now its sat. I feel fine. I was surprised. Its funny when you have your mind on other things. I made sure i ate well and drank alot of water all week. Next mon im going to 1/2 pill per day. I want to see what happens. I also take a multi vitamin for men. Im thinking maybe 1 month at a 1/2. Then 1/4 per day. I shower in the AM. And the PM. It just feels good. Good luck to all.
Taking Lower doses of sub works just as well as high doses. No idea why doctors prescribe anything over 4 mg per day. It’s insanity.
@@morganzimmerglass9925 It’s also prescribed for pain.
I'm starting 😊a taper. I need to find a doctor in my area to do it right.
Hey man im on .5 mg, went from 36 to 24, to 12 to 8 and so forth. Ive been on .5 for a few months. Currently 55 hrs in but yesterday i did have surgery so i had some percocet. No opiods were perscribed. Anyways, advice on what to do from here?? Please let me know asap!
Opioids ruined a significant chunk of my life, can’t believe I’m alive frankly. Having gone thru the addiction meatgrinder, I stand back in awe at how little we’ve learned and how slowly we’re evolving in the midst of an OPIOID EPIDEMIC. First, I’ll bet my left arm that more than 50% of ALL opioid addictions can be treated with 2mg suboxone or less. 2mg is not the endgame, its a halfway mark at best. If you are started at 8mg or higher, your dose should be cut in half after the first week when blood levels have stabilized. Most will have zero withdrawal symptoms. I’m too embarrassed to say how many percocets I would eat everyday, and when I was started at 8mg suboxone I was high as a kite and wired for the first week maybe 10 days. Also, when you buy suboxone on the street do know what they tell you? The drug dealers / heroin addicts actually warn you not to take more than a 1/3rd strip of an 8mg strip! Lastly, we know that the sublingual films are better than the dissolvable tabs. And tapering is essentially impossible with the tabs which pretty much defeats the entire purpose. So how do we respond - well tabs are more prevalent than ever and the films are becoming harder and harder to get. Brilliant!
Sorry, just a general rant. Not directed at Dr. Park - he has some of the most helpful material I’ve come across. Maybe this info will help someone or make a difference, i dunno.
Austin Z you want to start out on JUST ENOUGH suboxone to make wd’s subside. Why? Well thats because the half life of suboxone is about 1.5 days. So your next dose, 1 day later, actually compounds on your first dose. Your blood concentration rises steadily over the first 5 days then stabilizes somewhere between 5-7 days. This should be accounted for imho.
@@austinz9862 16mg a day is insanity and so unnecessary. Suboxone is very powerful and if there's one thing I learned from the last 5 years of taking it is that less is more. 2mg only seems like not a lot because of those way over the top numbers doctors put people on. Unless you're banging H super heavy than 2mg a day is gonna be plenty. Personally I take less than 1mg a day and even that feels like so much. I'm about to finally make a real push to get off this shit. Suboxone isnt supposed to be a long term thing hooked on it for years. You're only supposed to take it for a few days when you get off oxy or heroin because the withdrawal only last a few days, the bulk of it anyways. Hop on subs for like a week max then you stop and you just tough it out after that as its mostly psychological after that. Subs are so much harder to get off of id rather be hooked on the oxy again and deal with that withdrawal cold turkey lol Also suboxone is a partial opiate so you can definitely get a little high off it.
Austin Z you’ve never heard of people getting high from subs???
@@austinz9862 That makes no sense, suboxone is ridiculously strong. Everything you experienced was mental.
This is awesome advice thanks Doc.
Another Angry NPC Thanks 🤙
I'm on 8mg I want to come down can anyone tell me how much I can drop off at a time with no bad effects, thanks.
The problem is the Strips are NOT supposed to be cut...according to the company the medicine is not evenly distributed throughout.....I'm sure you know this.... Only tablets with a SCORE are meant to be divided...
I kinda figured that. Sometimes I take 1 mg and I feel it big time and sometimes I don’t
Still the best taper option by FAR. I don’t think it’s uneven as you want to believe. Was stable on 2mil (8 cut down) for years, went to 1, to .5, to .25, now a mix of that and .13. Yet to have a day that the dose didn’t do me right. Actually, at 1mil by 24hrs post-dose my pupil size was starting to normalize, but on .5 I noticed 24hrs later and they’re still as constricted as an hour after dosing. It’s kind of strange, made me wonder if what people say is true “low doses it acts almost more like a full agonist”, not sure how that can be but it sure does get me itching my nose.
3 straight days of .13 rn. Want to get to the point I can dose.13 every 2-3 days before jumping. Soon…
This is all an 8 strip being cut down btw
@@Weather_Nerd I cut my strips and havnn't noticed anything in the way that would lead me to believe the strips don't have an even distribution. The FDA is strict and there has to be a process in place that assures uniformity. They probably say that just to cover their a$$.
Yes I think it's best to taper off no matter how long it takes.i am now off it for 8 months. Suboxone destroyed me.
DLPA amino acids help.
Do you have any suggestions or ideas on how to ease some of the detox symptoms such as leg cramps and insomnia. Are there any supplements that would help? I’ve been taking 8mg for about 3 years now and for the last several months I’ve tapered to 2mg. I feel really apprehensive about going lower because I’m anticipating these withdrawal symptoms.
I recommend diet/exercise/water/sunlight as main supplements. Here's a video where I discuss: th-cam.com/video/1wqTUM6FRU8/w-d-xo.html
I also shot a video on Restless legs if you're interested.
Good luck with your taper. Low and slow. The withdrawal doesn't have to be severe.
Thanks for the questions. Keep me updated
What are your thoughts/experiences with when a patient gets to the every three days dosing that low MG that is the jumping point, using something like lucemyra for a week or two if they seem to be struggling a bit with the norepinephrine withdrawal symptoms? Have you seen it to be successful or is it just about the same as clonidine?
Sara Campbell I think that could be a good use for it. Patient dependent of course. It does have some similarities to clonidine. Cost/insurance coverage would have to be considered. Very good observation! Most of my patients when they get that low to q3days just jump off with little problems . I’ve used other meds to block withdrawal when patients are jumping off at higher doses or just seem to have more severe wtd symptoms than expected.
DOC PARK interesting, what types of other meds to block withdrawals? I'm aware of the traditional clonidine, Librium, catapress... I've been on Suboxone since I was 18. I'll be 27 this weekend and I know that I'm ready to be off of it mentally. Life has changed drastically for the better since then, I'm a mother of two children with a full time job, a mortgage, etc. My husband also works full time but he works in the day and I work nights at a sports bar so I stay home with our youngest during the day. If I could get from point A (being on suboxone) to point B (not being on suboxone) without having to suffer through the withdrawals, I would have stopped it years ago. But I've experienced the withdrawals of Suboxone once before and I. Am. Terrified. There is no way I'd be able to keep up a house hold, take care of the kiddos, work and etc whilst going through that. The post acute withdrawals are the worst part for me. I can deal with the initial physical things, but the lingering insomnia/ANXIETY/depression/and absolutely zero energy or motivation to do anything at all is what kills me because of how long it sticks around. I'm so scared that I won't ever feel okay again if I do come off. I'm currently on 12 mg. When I was pregnant with my daughter I jumped down from 8 to 2 under medical supervision with no issues at all so that her chances of withdrawals were lower (successful also, there was no norbuprenorphine in the cord stat I'd elected and she scored lower per the finnegan scale than most normal babies who were assessed, never more than 4s) with my daughter, and as soon as I had her they increased my dose back to 8 (not sure why, didn't ask or really even think about it). Dropped down to 2 with my son a year later, same thing, no NAS for him and they bumped me up to 12. This time I waited and jumped at 2 instead of taking the 12 they recommended. By day 15 I caved. If the PAWS is a permanent possibility then I don't think I'll ever be able to do it. I don't want to live like that. But I am so tired of being on it. I'm interested in the other medications you spoke of.
@@saracampbell7171 I'm on gabapentin and recently tapered off zubsolv and had zero withdrawals, I'm wondering if that's because of the gabapentin? I've read ppl find it useful when detoxing off opiates.
Excellent video Doc,thanks.my question is;since the introduction of the sublocade injection,why cant they make a “taper ready” injection thats pre-designed to slowly disolve at an extremely slow rate? The technology is there,im actually on sublocade and it works great. But they’re only available in 300mgs and 100 mgs,neither of wich is low enough to taper off. Very confusing.curious on ur take if these drug manufacturers really want patients to come off.thanks,i think ur an amazing dr. to take the time to make videos helping people.
That's an excellent question. I think there are obvious implications that tapering isn't a priority for drug makers. That being said the meds save lives so we can't be too upset with these companies. I've had some folks comment that they were able to use sublocade to taper off by just not getting another injection after they got their 100mg dose. I don't have enough experience with this to say one way or another.
That is a great question and pretty scary that they don’t offer a solution. Perhaps you can taper w strips?
They have now
what supplements would you recommend during your taper? I'm looking into adding 5htp on top of my multivitamin
As a general rule, I don't normally recommend supplements except for specific problems that might arise. I recommend focusing on diet/exercise/water/sunlight. Here's a video I shot about this topic: th-cam.com/video/1wqTUM6FRU8/w-d-xo.html
Good luck with your taper!!!
Magnesium and folic acid were given to me in rehab and helped a lot. I'm a healthy 25 year old male. I recommend asking your doctor if this could help you as idk what meds, health conditions, allergies, etc you may have.
Magnesium am loperamid can help a little bit👍
Thank you for sharing. I’m tapering now. 2 mg this month, 1 mg next and then going to continue cutting it down even more until i am done. You definitely have to be ready!
Glamsformation Good luck! You can do it 🤙
Can we have an update? How are you doing today?
All the best🍀for you!
Do you get sober...
Have you heard of the wd being worse with women over men?
I heard that also anf im curious and scared also lol .. i hope dr answer:/
@@RaluMariaRa WD like pain is relative however it’s my belief that if you do the prep work like drinking lots of water, taking magnesium for restless leg, Imodium, are able to push yourself to take walks and exercise even if it’s the last thing you want to do. These are the people who tend to breeze through withdrawals faster and more efficiently and come out on the other side with the “ never looking back” attitude. Stay strong, embrace whatever pain comes, and execute. You got yourself into this and you can pull yourself out. Wishing you the best of success
Thanks doc...I have been maintained for about a decade on suboxone, and have thought about all the factors you mentioned. I have a long history of depression and anxiety, as most, if not all of us do. But sometimes it seems as though the docs that I have seen just go 🤔 and keep you on the meds... not sure how to navigate that because maybe it IS serotonin or low T...I asked my doc to check my testosterone and was told, yes it's a little low but not to the point that we need to supplement...
Im down to 4mg almost 3mg. I was thinking about acquiring 7-10 days of methadone. 10-15 mg/day. Then cold turkey. Take an opiate to get through opiod withdrawal but not enough for opiate withdrawal
Been off the shit for 5 days but I only have 16ml I’ve got 4 left will I be ok
I’ve been on Suboxone for 10 years, I’ve finally tapered down to less than .2 a day, I don’t really have much withdrawals especially when I keep busy through the day, the only thing that’s keeping me from fully being off or going cold turkey is the restlessness, and mainly restless arms and not so much restless legs, the arms seem worse than the legs, if I take my small dose in the morning, about 20 hours later the restlessness becomes unbearable, that’s when I always cave in and take a another small dose to make it go away, is there any ideas for what to do to help or any over the counter medications to help with this part? A lot of people suggest kratom to help get over the last part which is usually the restlessness but I don’t wanna be reliant on another drug like that, thanks and GOD bless!!!
Drop down to 1.75 for a while and eventually down to 1 mg and then when your ready go to .5 and even .25. Take the advice in this vid and just dont give up. We used for years so a week of mild withdrawl is a good trade. Withdrawls from subs cannot kill you. It will get better. Your not alone.
Does anybody know how long detox with no taper after 3 years without missing a dose twice a day of 8mg is becouse im on say 14 and its been hell since day 4
I been on methadone for almost 10 years and at 120mg at one point and I was switched over to suboxone almmost painless using butrans patches and for 3 and half days they gave me 8-16mg of dilaudid until I was eating and sleeping fine and the induction day I got no withdrawals and felt fine on 10mg but honestly I rapid tapered to 4mg now in 4 days
I have completely stopped from taking a small square to nothing. About 4 days ago been feeling body aches cant sleep during the night but able to sleep after breakfast for a few hrs in and off . How much longer am I going to feel this way? I don’t wanna take anything any more just wanna get it over done with ? And suggestions or advice please help?
Typically, every 2-3 days you'll have a 50% reduction in symptoms. I have noticed it to be a little longer in some people and a little shorter in others. Your doctor might be able to prescribe you something that could help with these symptoms if you think you need them. Good luck and congratulations on making it this far. And remember to Always get help if you're close to relapse.
Okay doc what over the counter things can you take to boost you body all together some say when you start to taper start taking vitamins what is the one thing though a person can take to build dopamine,
1loneheart I normally don’t recommend blanket supplements. Would depend on the patient and their specific needs. I do recommend a solid diet that includes a wide variety of REAL foods. And I recommend exercise. Getting outside and some sunshine is typically good as well. I think these things will naturally boost what you need boosted in 80% of the cases. So focus on these first. And of course talk to your doc ✌🏽
Just uploaded a new video about this
I was addicted to tramadol. I stopped the pills and I’ve been on 8mg sub strips for two years now. Take 3 a day. I still feel “trapped”....But I want to be done with this stuff. I have wanted to be done for a while but I don’t know how to taper off without going into complete withdrawal...need advice.
Going from 3 to 1 will be easy. Ride that for a week or two or til your ready to start dropping from 1 strip a day to 3 quarters a day then half a day then a quarter a day then take the advice in this video. Hope this helps. In my opinion 1 a day is the same as 3 a day. Plenty of info to back me up on this. You probly wont even notice knocking out 2 of those strips.
If I'm at 24 mg what should I go down to to start my detox
Thank you so much. I'm on half of 2mg. I'm cutting down to half of a half and every other day and then every 3 and getting adderall
You're cool doctor man! I started messing with opiates at the age of 21, I've went back and forth with opiate treatment medication over the years. A forty-year-old now and I've had six straight years just on Suboxone.
Amazing how the pharma version (twin sister of H/F) and long half life really makes it tough(and folks cut off will want to turn back to street)AND folks have been of methadone for years,when a clinic has it down to 3 to 5 day complete detox. Do you know of kratom as an aid (to take along with?I hear so many say it greatly helps w/ opiate/heroin/fentanyl withrawl as well as a good effective sub for pain meds.
I take a strip cut 7 lil peices for a week been doing that for 1 month now and I sniff it works great
I have a question. I pay for subutex rather than have suboxone covered by my prescription plan bc I personally feel it’s easier to taper w and it has less side effects. What is your experience w the difference between the two? Also, do they make 2mg subutex? Bc I like that idea w using 2mg in order to cut them into smaller pieces. BTW I’m trying this method tomorrow. I can’t explain how sick i am of this insanity. For the first time, I wanna be off of it more than I’m afraid of the process.
Lisa Michelle Yes they make 2mg subutex tablets. But your pharmacy may have to order them so my patients will also talk to their pharmacy before getting the rx to let them know what they’re planning
Lisa Michelle Suboxone and subutex both work and is patient dependent. Some swear Suboxone is better and some swear subutex is. So just do what works for you. Good luck and keep me posted 🤘🏽
DOC PARK hey!! Thanks for the reply! Do you find that people walk away without w/d after following these instructions? Or are they just less severe? Also, what are your thoughts about kratom? I’ve been researching detox and some people have had great results.
Subutex is by far harder to get off of. I was on it for 3 years after I detoxed cold turkey off methadone (I almost died and went through complete renal failure) so they put me on subutex. I was on it for years. Was terrified of tapering or not having it and I had tried several times to switch to suboxone and my doctor kept telling me there's "no difference" blah blah. I felt like CRAP when I switched to the films. So I decided enough was enough and quit subutex. I was deathly ill. So I went back on at that point (after 6 days) to the film. It worked a lot better and is much easier to taper off of. I did a strict taper plan with my doctor. Once I got down to .5mg every other day I'd forget to even take it so I knew I was ready. Wasn't bad at all. I got down to 1mg on subutex and tried to quit and it was horrible. It's definitely harder on subutex
Jason Eder when did I ever say that? lol I said subutex is harder to come off of than suboxone films dude.. I threw in my experience with methadone to compare and say it was the HARDEST.. did you even read my comment? Lol
I'm having a difficult time getting over the mental challenge of having to have something in the morning. I did it with H for years and now with a little over 3yrs on subs, I'm ready to move on with my life and get over the dependencies of my meds. For me the mental challenge has been the hardest, I'm soo used to taking something every morning.
JWithrow CPI Sometimes you have to create new habits and completely change your daily routine. But you’re right, this can be extremely difficult to do but definitely possible. 🤘🏽
Doc quick question i will be ready to get off oxys for good been on 20mg like 120mg a day for rheumatoid arthritis how do i start this process like what dr do i go see? My pcp?
Yes you can start with your pcp. You can also find clinics through the Suboxone.com website. I'd check out reviews if you can to make sure you're going to a quality clinic. Your family doc should have some idea of where to start.
DOC PARK thank you i will check it out
Don't listen to these idiots PCP is angel dust very bad for you! Stick with the suboxone.
Gbody Cutlass I was wondering the same thing.
How do you taper lower than 2mg when on the subutex pill that goes under tongue?
I take a 16th of an 8 mg strip every 24 hours but without it I feel like death. You would think with that low of a dose it wouldn’t affect you but it definitely does.
Nice, informative, not done while driving :)
doctors in the uk can prescribe 0.04mg tabs so no need to break jup a 2mg buprenorphine. it is still difficult to come off these. i experience physical withdrawal if i dont have my daily dose of two of these. previous illness and pains arise . lots of emotional stress coming down by just 0.04mg. i have recently come down from 3 a day now to two and will come down again once im over a stressful period.
Kerry Gee Good luck 👍
They’re not .04 they’re .4 mg. No such thing as a .04 tablet. Even in Uk. I’m from USA and even I know this. Uk has .2 tamgesic and then you guys have .4, 2, and 8mg subutex. I was told there is no suboxone there. But this doesn’t help us in USA because the lowest we have is 2mg. Or .7 zubsolv. Which is our best bet.
I know what you mean mate it's basically 400 microgram equivalent to 1/5th of 2mg
My insurance won't pay for strips unfortunately
Big Brother should get diff insurance. Idk Massachusetts has good insurance. Costs 3.65 no matter how many
Neither would mine, I was taking zubsolv which imo seemed stronger but it's my understanding the bioavailability is much better and that's why it seems stronger. I tapered off slowly & had zero withdrawals.
Crush pills into powder and divide the powder into smaller doses.
Dr. Park I cannot stress to you how your videos have helped me ween off subs this is my second try but I am down to 2mg per day I’ve only been on the 8 mg for 9 months after 35 years of using I hate this having control over my life I want to be free so bad !! I am in a program NA. Some people tell me it won’t work unless I’m completely abstinent. Some tell me keep dying with the meds don’t give up. I’m just so tired of this Again , thank you so much
Keep working the steps. They work! Do t worry about what other people say. Meds can help. Keep pushing forward and stay clean 🤘🏼
dude u mind if i call the office monday and ask a quick question?
I like this guy, step in the right direction from most doctors I've seen on here. I've seen docs try to convince people who say their ready to get off and the doctor will try to convince them to stay on for LIFE! Said statistics say you'll relapse so mine as well stay on it forever. Check wanted to get off to get pregnant, doc told her oh it will be fine the baby might have to stay in the hospital for a couple days, even though she had been clean for years and said she's ready.
HOW CAN I CONTACT YOU, DOCTOR, I LIVE AT U.K. ENGLAND
went from 8mg to 6mg for a week then to 4mg for a week then 3mg for 4 weeks down to 2mg for 3 weeks then 1.5 mg for 2 weeks the 1mg for 2 weeks now down to .5mg daily will start spacing them soon and eventually make the jump over a long weekend coming up or another layoff
I just want to know if marijuana will help with low doses to help taper off
Richard Strom I’m currently in a state where MJ is illegal. So I have no experience using it with buprenorphine tapers.
Well it should be legal in every state I think each drug has its benefits for mankind 😀I really enjoy your videos and your work to help people like me in life keep up the good work
Richard Strom I would say no. Still feel shitty weed might make worse. Get stoned is always good but withdrawing especially off subs the anxiety and for me hot cold gets worse with weed
Transition to kratom then taper the kratom. Then use cannabis to fight against anhedonia.
Different from person to person...
6:40 serotonin and dopamine Boost was recommended for depression. I'm curious to what this would be, especially in a rx form, I've tried diet, exercise, proper sleep and anything I can do to minimize stress. If it's only the run of the mill antidepressants, I've tried that and didn't help unfortunately.
I have been taking Suboxone for 6 years. I am at a point in my life where I am mentally somewhat prepared to start trying to get off. But what really kicked my butt in gear is my pharmacist. He kind of shamed me today in front of the other customers. He says to me, what the hell are you even taking this crap for anyways? He said this stuff is so darn expensive you just need to start cutting yourself down and be done with it in like a week. Now mind you I've only met the pharmacist twice and I deal with another lady all the time in the pharmacy. But today when he literally shamed me in front of other customers waiting for their prescription it made me feel like the biggest piece of shit in the world. I mean I don't think that pharmacist should be allowed to give their opinion about medications! Plus this guy doesn't know me he doesn't know my story he doesn't know anything about me. As soon as I got home I looked up how to carefully wean off of Suboxone 2mg and your video came up. Thank you so much for making these videos and I hope to God that I can get off of this medication because my insurance stopped covering it and it is so expensive.
Jessica Constantine I’m sorry you went through that. That pharmacist should be fired and have his license suspended. Make sure you talk to your doctor about the best plan for you. Thanks for watching and commenting. Keep me posted ✌🏽
That was a hippa violation
@@karliann1 I don't know what a HIPAA violation means. I mean the pharmacist did shame me and made me feel like a piece of shit. In front of 5 people. But I don't want to ruin somebody's career over this. I mean if you think about it he is speaking the truth I do agree with him I do need to get off of Suboxone I've been on it for 6 years. I am Catholic and I have been praying about trying to get off of Suboxone and I do believe that God uses vessels to speak to us. Now I've never had a pharmacist talk to me the way that this guy did I don't know if I should take that as a sign of God saying Jessica get your shit together and get up off of this drug? I've been clean for 7 years now actually I don't have any Cravings to want to go out and do drugs. In my early thirties I realized that I have been self-medicating for basically my entire life I started doing drugs when I was 11 years old. I didn't start abusing pain medication until my early 20s. But I am smart enough to have self-awareness and knew that I couldn't live the way that I was living anymore so I got off of the drug I got clean had my son and then after I had my son I started doing drugs again I had postpartum depression. And it went undiagnosed for a good 2 years. Finally I got help for myself and I started is taking antidepressants I have bad anxiety and panic attacks. So I got mental health help I have a psychiatrist. So my shit is together I am living a great life my husband and I just bought a house and a beautiful neighborhood my son he goes to an amazing school so my life is on track now. The only thing that really pisses me off is that I feel like I can't let go of my old life because I'm still taking Suboxone. I need to be rid of all that negative energy from back in the day when I was addicted to drugs. My doctor also diagnosed me with PTSD from having a traumatic childhood my brother was diagnosed with PTSD as well for of course the same exact thing as meeting having a traumatic childhood. So that's a little bit of my story. I don't know if that was God's way of telling me that I need to get off this medication or was it just a pharmacist being a douchebag being sick and tired of having ordering the Suboxone for me because I am literally the only person who takes it in their entire Pharmacy. He also told me that as well yesterday. So I take 2 mg a day I know it's a super low dose but after you do something every single day for six seven years it becomes a routine and trying to break that routine is the hardest thing. My doctor proceeded me with the 16-week program but after watching this video I really like the program. This doctor is talking about doing. When he's talking about taking it every other day and then 3 days with nothing I think that that is a really good way of breaking a habit. So it's something that I'm definitely going to try I'm going to talk it over with my doctor first and see what he thinks of course. But I do agree that the pharmacist should at least get a firm talking to I don't want to ruin somebody's life over a comment or two. And if it were the old me I would have went the hell off on him! But I kind of just cowered away because I was embarrassed. And I just kind of told him I understand your frustration and don't worry I'm going to be talking to my doctor. What I really wanted to say to the dude was it's none of your fucking business. You are the pharmacist not the doctor you have no effing right to tell me what I need to do! Even my husband said I should have went off on him. But I'm turning 36 in 6 days so I'm trying to act my age LOL. But God bless you for coming up with a really cool regiment and I don't know where you're located but I wish you could be my doctor :-) God bless everybody
Same story almost...12 years here..completely saved my life now I totally believe God speaks to us. That could have been a message in a weird way. Hippa violation is a violation of privacy..he should not have done that!! Idk what u should do. I am too scared..I.live with an amazing man ..my soulmate in a paid.off house beautiful neighborhood..years ago I was homeless..survived a housr fire that almost killed my daughter 10 years ago..I am TERRIFIED to be off this crutch..I need to pray hard about this..like now!! Thanks for ur reply stay strong!! Bless u!!
@@JessicaC. This reply has me choking back tears. Thank you for your kind words! Wow..I have chills...everything fell into place for me too..no there are no coincidences. I was alone for 11 years until I met Jay last year. He's amazing.but doesn't know much about this at all. I left facebook a long time ago. I couldn't stand it..it feels so fske to me I call it fakebook..lol..the only thing I saw on there was people putting their best face forward not showing their true colors. I will give you my email though..it is kparker10111225@yahoo.com. You really made me feel better today was hard for me. I've had 2 back surgeries from a fall out of an attic..that is how it ALL started ..I am having a bad pain day because as u know it only helps a little whrn you have a tolerance. I think I was led to your comment..seriously..I KNOW I can do ALL things..there have many times God has taken care of me. This time is no different!!🙏❤ We can do this!! So please email me anytime you want to talk or I can give u my number in an email also..I know this happened for a reason because why would a complete stranger..in this day and age be so compassionate to another human being? Thank you so much I will talk to you soon!❤
My doctor wont switch my prescription to strips.. I'm on tablets 😣 I am on 16mg daily but starting to taper. I did it before n got off of it for 2 months but the PAWS sucked! The 0 energy was the worst for me but now I know what to expect.. usually I'd cut my dose by 0.25mg every 3 days. Once I got to 0.25mg, I jumped off. I didnt have RLS at all just the lack of motivation & energy. I barely wanted to get out of my recliner 🤣
Thank you doctor!
I live in México I was just experimenting and all the sudden got hooked on it! In the morning I get Soo I'll I have to use Phentermine in order to survive through the day since Adderall is not legal out here in México.
Found out I am pregnant. Been on these things close to 5yrs now. Made it from 16mg to 5 as of today in the past few months (low & slow for safety) I can't wait to be 100% off of them but am also terrified. Haven't felt anything yet. Been doing it at 2mg intervals for 2 week period. Now doing 1mg down at a time since I'm getting real low. Now taking this doctors advice and am very excited
It's not easy though..iv been tapering for a while now months an when I get down to nearly a 10th of 8mg flm I start having major breathing problems an wds hit me hard until I use more flm it's bad I'm finding it nearly impossible to stop before subs I never had anxiety or breathing problems now it's pretty much controlling my entire life at first I was like yeah I love subs haha now idk I don't wanna but have to...
Have you talked to your doc about the 2mg strip and possibly alternating doses? such as 0.5mg one day and 1mg the next. Also, how long have you been at this dose and how long were you at the last dose? You may be trying to taper too quickly. In other words you may need to make a small change and then stay at that dose for 3-4 months before making any other change. Just some ideas. And you're right, it's not easy. But you can do it! Talk to your doc before making any changes.
That’s normal. You’ll have to learn to deal with it. It’s a lot of anxiety and mental stuff. I Have the same issues. Just keep weening. Make sure you’re stabilized. Get a benzo for extreme anxiety times. If you can’t contorl yourself then don’t get it. Try good CBD oil instead. A tenth of 8mg is .8. Just make sure you stabilize first like I said. Once you get under 1mg is the hardest part. It will get easier eventually though. Just keep going.
Hope you’re doing better. I had these same issues and they’re scary. I’m pretty sure it’s anxiety.
I was clean in prison and got addicted to subs in there worst mistake ever good luck hope you’re doing ok now!! I’m down to a 1/8 of a 8mg subutex pill
Chris i want some advice. can we chat. i need plan
Its been 12 yrs its not happening for me. Im about to turn 30, i have chrones, was an adolescent alcoholic, am currently taking 1-3 mg of xanax per day, i have days i cant get out of bed. People get stuck ok low doses because in a sense, its almost bringing more of the drug to the receptors plus there actually feeling the negative effects so when they do take it it reinforces addict behavior right when they have learned to avoid that behavior.
Yeah low doses of subs work just as well as high. The subs feel the best when you’re withdrawing before hand. So taking 1 mg per day and waking up just as your starting to wd then taking a 1 mg works well. Insane how much doctors prescribe.
At first I was like who tf is this dude in a white coat, but he actually hit the nail right on the freaking head. I needed a place to go from 1/3 of a 2 every day and he has helped me find it. I was honestly skeptical about my prospects on youtube but ofcourse you can find everything here, even good people
a s Haha. Thanks! 🤙🏼
I was able to go from 12 mgs daily down to 4 in a month. After 8 years straight. Now I’m at 3 mgs and it’s been 6 months since I started tapering. I’ve gone so slow that the only changes I’ve noticed is that it’s more difficult to sleep any more than 7 hours a night.
OMG I wish I saw this in June!!! I went through hell coming off bupenorphine
L C Doing ok now?
Much better!!! Off methadone and subutex. It took a month for me..nothing but SWEAT Wish I had you as a doc..Thanks for asking!!
I have been on suboxone for a very long time. 7 years. I haven't gone up or down in dose. I'm in the exact same place. But the thought of coming off of it still terrifies me.
Same here, 12-14 years now, on and off, maybe 2 month off maximum period of time. 3-4mg a day dose , im 42 yo now with good job, family and 2 kids and noone knows about my situation. I get it on the street since 2016. Before was on the program but thought I was tired and will quit but still here :(
there's no way that you can go .5mg every other day. have you taken the meds yourself?
I'm on .125 mg and was extremely sick after 18 hrs
Yes you can. Many of us have done it. Man up. Weak weak people
.5mg was the lowest I could go..25mg didn't work.
Buprenorphine has a hell of a long half life. WD come after a couple days. That's why Suboxone works so well.
thank you..
Nice to see a good doctor that cares and knows what hes talking about. Theres an epidemic of shady Doctors prescribing this stuff.
I was started on 8 mg per day after a car accident that left me with three herniated discs and an approx 5 to 6 Vicodin per day habit, maybe a little less, possibly a little more, depending on the day. I wish I was told to start tapering right away. It was pretty easy for me to cut the 8 mg in half. And not much harder to go down to 2 mg ( not sure if this is because I was only started at 8 mg to begin with, or if it's because of how extremely slowly I've been tapering? ). I'm now on 1.5 mg which I barely noticed a difference, if at all, from the 2. But like I said, I have done this slowly, and I mean, VERY slowly. I've been at 1.5 for at least a month now and I'm wondering if it's too soon to go down to 1 mg, as this will be the fastest I've tapered? The main thing I feel when I need my next dose is tired ( I do half of it in the morning and have it in the evening/late afternoon ), as soon as it kicks in, I feel more awake and "normal". But I've not gone a whole day without my dose. Tomorrow I'm going to try .50 in the a.m., then .50 in the p.m., and see how it goes. Eventually, I would like to just take 1 mg once a day.
Darladawn 222 Sounds like you’ve got a good plan. Low and slow. And attainable goals. Good job and good luck 👍
The worst part of being on this for over a year it's making my anxiety affect everything I do
I only took it for 6 days my anxiety was crazy. But today is my first day without it and I feel fine just a little chills and hot flashes but nothing I can't handle. I was on percs for 2 yrs because of brain tumor. I became physically dependent on them now my headaches were good but I still had to take pills because I would go through withdrawals. My Dr was tapering me down but it was taking to long so I decided to go on suboxone and I made the decision to only take it for 6 days.
@@Icantwithyou9 I had a brain tumor when I was 12
I wish I could find a dr like you around my area. I hate the subutex. I can’t take the strips because if I consume anything with Naloxone my body almost immediately goes into like reject mode. In the beginning when I tried them I was puking and my dr told me to stick it out just keep taking them my body will get use to them after 2 weeks of not being able to get out of bed and migraines so bad I couldn’t open my eyes he put me back on the tablets. This helped a little. I still have debilitating migraines. I was prescribed 16 mg a day. For coming off a pain pill addiction. Maybe like 100 mg of hydrocodone a day. I feel he steered me wrong and just wanted my money. And I could have did it without the suboxone. But it’s been 2 years my body is addicted to it now. Even tho every day is miserable and I’m constantly nauseous with horrible headaches. By myself I went from 2 tablets a day to 1. Now I’m going to try quarters. Idk what to do. I don’t crave this crap. It makes me physically sick but if I don’t take it I get sweaty and even sicker. I honestly feel like this was the worst mistake of my life.
Are you doing better now?
jimbo gasoline not really. I still take half in the morning half at night.
@@emilycarroll92 you'll do fine just keep at it and slowly reduce amount even it's only 5-10% every few weeks. You eventually want to only dose once a day, or made a big difference when I jumped off. I've been off for 2 months now and took subs a lot longer than you have, so don't be discouraged you can and will do it. Believe in yourself. Subs eventually bring you down and make you lose hope and self confidence. Just remember the real you is still there, it's the subs making you feel like you do. Don't buy into it, your stronger than those subs. You going to be a little uncomfortable for a while but I swear it does pass and you will eventually look back at it and wonder why you ever doubted yourself. If you have any questions or tips on how I got through the acute phase just let me know. I wont bullshit you and I'll be honest about what I did and what problems I had during the taper/jump process. Be proud of yourself that you are making the decision to taper and get off. It's part of the process!!
@@jimbogasoline8559can I ask you something?
I went from 2mg to .75, first two days I had a little chills, then after that had diarrhea and nightmares, but slept pretty good. Not really a big deal. Staying there a couple more weeks then going down another half.
Not really worried about withdrawal. My narcissistic ex made me feel way worse than any withdrawal!
Sorry to hear that but glad you’re doing okay now 👍
I went from. 50 mg to. 25 and after 4 days I couldn't sleep. I think .5mg was the lowest I could go. Good luck my friend!
@@rickp3753 I'm 37 days off!
@@mattbortz10was there anything you took to help?
@@pre6162 no I didn't take anything, I did take quite a bit of ibuprofen during that time though
Yup. Stuck on 2mg. Get down to .25 for a few days then back to 2mg. Really sucks.
I'm off from 4mg. I feel like shit, i wanted to stop taking it because it disillusioned me, and can't give me any goal in my life
The low T is a bitch. Been on my taper for 3 months, taking a pen head size crumb of burp every other day. So far so good, only mild issue with fatigue and Bm’s. Nothing I can’t deal with so far. Was on it for about 10 years. Feeling much better already, gained back 20 lbs, my T levels are bouncing back, I feel like I’m a kid again at 41. Still early I know but I’m comfortable being uncomfortable in order to be free. For others going through tough WD’s don’t give up or you’ll just have to start all over later and this suffering will be for nothing!
There’s no “probably” lol. It’s absolutely easier to go from 8 to 6 than from 2 to 0. Look at the dose response curve of buprenorphine, it’s not linear. The curve gets very steep at 2mg going down.
I’m so tired of subs I just want to be normal I’ve stopped smoking cigs just to test myself I’m ready to get off these meds it’s just the leg pain and weakness I’ve tapered myself to 1/8 of a 8mg subutex. Y’all pray for me I will for you!! I’m sick of being addicted to anything!! Be strong y’all!!
I pray this video goes viral in Jesus name.more people Must see this. Amen 🕊
He does ads for auto zone too
Can suboxone doctors do a benzo taper?
Immpossible make a will..now!
I'm tired of the side effects. I cant even get a hard on every now and then . Suboxone destroyed my libido. Started tapering yesterday..doing 8mg a day for this week
Good luck with the taper. Get your testosterone checked as well
Sorry but my symptoms were severe at this dose. No seretonin needed. It left my body twitching like a maniac. Absolute hell.
I got my Dr to prescribe me Belbuca which comes in extremely low amounts...like micrograms!! Ive gone from 2 mg to 1.5 mg to 1200 mcg to 900 mcg and the Belbuca strips are only 300mcg each!! So my dr has finally given me the tools to do thus whereas the 2 mg strips it was still too much for my mind to figure out the cutting up and I never got anywhere. 8m taking a month to go down every 300 micrograms jump and I'm about to go down in 150 micrograms jumps....
I knew 8f I had small enough doses I could get off this crap....4 years of slavery and 10 years of heroin
You will always have some form of withdrawal no matter what. one of my buddies was on .25 mg for I forgot if it was two three or four months. And then took the jump and for a good two weeks he was feeling it
He probably didn't skip days